Airchat '24 archive, part 2

0:00 where are you? Can we meet? How about offline meeting in real life venues? This seems to be the topic. So people are starting to make connections and they want to meet in real life soundmates. I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram, who actually, now that I mention it, would love to come on to this. I feel like he would jive very well with AirChat. Has anyone sent him an invite yet? I could do so. It was such an interesting interview. I've interviewed him twice. The first time was in 2018. I was first starting my podcast. And he talked about AI. And this was before, probably after GPT-2 came out, probably before GPT-3 came out. He was already aware of the stuff. I knew what unsupervised learning and supervised learning were, but I was not aware of GPT. I wish I was.

0:47 And he said, you know, once AI's here, we'll need to learn how to know what to want, because the robots will be able to do what we want. They'll be able to do a lot of what we want, not all of it, but maybe eventually. And so then the core human problem shows up is how to figure out what we want. And for anybody who has looked deeply into the nature of desire, it is not at all clear how to figure out what we want, because most of our wants are implanted by societal processes and social proof. Oh, that guy's got something. I want that. I want that because he's got it. And I respect him, so I want that too. And that's not a strong basis for a desire. Desire is something different. This could go into the nature of enlightenment as the ultimate desire. Why would you want enlightenment? It means the death of the person. Why would you want that? All that's a tangent, because I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram again, and now we have the AI that does what we want.

1:46 And it's initial stages. It doesn't do everything that we want. It's done a lot of things that I don't want to do, all the busy work, particularly around publishing podcast episodes. So now we've got AI. we did a great interview on his theory of physics as well, which is really interesting. I can't remember. It was a while ago. I think it was a month ago now. I'm going to publish on Friday. So if you're interested in hearing the episode, please subscribe to Crazy Wisdom on iTunes, Spotify, or YouTube. I can actually release it here. If somebody wants to hear it, I'll make a special release to the air chat people, and I'll just link to it. But basically, we talked about his theory of physics, And there's one point where I asked him about separate things, separate things in the universe, like entities in the universe.

2:44 And he said there are no separate things in the universe because space itself is a network. Ah, no, there is no empty space in space. Empty space is part of the network of space. And that blew my mind. So yeah, let me know if anybody wants to listen to that episode, and I'll make a special early release for people here on AirChat. Some days ago, Andrew was asking the same questions what Wolfram is mentioning in the first 10 minutes of the episode here. So it's definitely interesting to see that these existential questions are always popping up, but you can take them from so many different perspectives and angles, whether you're starting from simple algos and then getting to the complexity or you're approaching them from the physics perspective or from the philosophical perspective. always coming to the same questions one way or another. I find myself liking people that I hear on air chat so much more than other platforms because I think hearing their voice makes me think they're talking directly to me subconsciously. It's really, really powerful in a way that Twitter was never able to achieve. Let's drink coffee, do great things. Please invite him if you have invites and I can help and probably somebody from the team as well if you have run out of them.

3:57 I would love to hear the interview if you have a link or some other means to get it out. Great. In terms of inviting him, he runs his business in a very interesting way. I won't share more, but the root of the issue is that I can't directly send him an invite. So if anybody has his direct contact, I still don't have it. And then I think that would be the best method of inviting him. What have you found in your sound, Matt? sound mates right i think this is really exciting this name sound mate so all those people with whom we are connected they are all sound mates right you can swipe left and right if you have channels engaged sound mates right i think this is really exciting this name sound mate so all those people with whom we are connected they are all sound mates right Try again.

5:24 sense. It's not just about simplification and focus for you as a product team, but it lets the community fill in for those patterns to strengthen the feed itself. Right now, channels serve an amazing role or some construct like it. They're like the eddies against the entropy of the mainstream. And it is a way for people to get topical, to connect with people in a different way with a different focus. But at the same time, it's a thing that's keeping them from doing things like curating their own following lists for the mainstream in the same way, or in a way that would add the most value for that stream. So those are kind of random thoughts. I need another cup of coffee. Anyway, keep doing what you're doing. I noticed that in order to get new people, discover new people, discover new topics, get variety, I'm already following 1K and I've been in this app more than a year, well, in the previous versions. And in order to have that spontaneity and having just some kind of unpredictability, I need to go to the channels at the moment to do that because the feed is getting a little bit too repetitive and people are settling down with their following lists. Sunset in Sedona. Sorry I meant Tinder. Tinder sucks. I guess Twitter kind of sucks too but I also like Twitter. I don't know. Tinder. Tinder is what sucks. Well that can be gamified. All those crypto people thinking of Jap token or So, chit token, here's an idea. You will reveal the wallet seed in your chit. You randomly will engage and give clues for the proper chits, and then people will chase your words.

7:02 And maybe you can use even novel likes as currency. It should be easy enough to adjust to anything you like. For instance, you can easily convert that one to just add something to your iOS reminders or to connect it to another API. The craziest one I have done is I can send from a mobile device any video or any audio file and it will send it to my Mac for processing and then it does a complete audio or video processing workflow and then it will give back the processed file which is also compressed and well it does quite a lot of things fine. There isn't a blog channel yet, so reply to this post with the best blog post you've read or the best one you've written if you have your own blog. If there will be a channel, maybe it should be called Plug.

7:55 Well, my blog is my first name, last name, dot com. Excellent, thank you. I think the thing I most use for AI is a little iOS and macOS shortcut that sends a screenshot. extracts the text, sends that to chatc2p and creates a todo for it in my PKM. Without the wind, the grass does not move. Without software, hardware is useless. Software is the heart of the hardware. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I think this is the easiest way to talk to strangers that's existed in human history. That is so true. Even an introvert like me is talking on this app continuously so I don't think there is any easy way to talk about it. any easy way to talk to strangers then on this app. Hi AirChat. I've been playing around on this app for a few hours. I haven't gone onto YouTube and, or read about how to maximize the benefit of this, but I always like new things and to try new things. And I like the invite only, um, idea of it. And I just wanted to share that Clubhouse was life-changing for me. I liked the idea of jumping into a room and it was the serendipity and luck and the dynamic nature of seeing who was there and it was like a conference to me with so many topics and I just really liked it and then it changed and it seemed to go asynchronous and so far this app reminds me of that so I'm still trying to figure out how to how to jump in here any advice hey Beverly welcome this is a conversation app so pick a few people are you already in a discussion group so you can start following some people and you will start to see things in your main feed based on those follows so if you reply to someone that will be pumped to your following. And this is the similar way you will see things on your main feed. There's no interruption, so you can at any time reply to any cheat, and that's the beginning of a new conversation. You can be playful, you can use also the search and find topics of interest. And the best part is that the app is still in heavy development, and there's a lot of experimental features, so you can also experiment and find fun and engaging ways to enjoy yourself

10:01 and the discussions. Thank you. A channel about advice? I don't know what to think about it. That's strange. It's the creative outlet to channel your inner guru. Well, now that you put it that way, I guess we need to do 20 pull-ups. Linda, get up and get your ass to the gym right now. You're right. Thanks for holding me accountable. I will be at the gym and I will fulfill those 20 pull-ups that I owe you guys. I wouldn't be so sure that socks do have a tendency to just go missing. You might have just experienced like one strange little weird quantum effect where all of a sudden 400 individual socks all went missing at the same time. Could be. Could be. Well, there are some string theories and these threads are going deep and then the particles can have some kind of spins probably as well.

10:57 But I think we're going to need a sock haul here to talk about these things. I lose a lot of socks. That socks. If you enjoy steering blue sky, here's how it was built. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, I know you ate bread. Put it down. Naval, you're a thing about bread. Naval, you just ate some bread. I can smell it on your breath.

12:03 The value look like bread. You're made of bread. You're gonna die with a piece of bread in your mouth. I specifically do not engage with Naval on some things just because I feel like he's already the guy at the dinner party that has all the people trying to get his attention, trying to hang out. So I like Naval. I like the interactions that I do have with him. But yeah, I kind of intentionally leave him alone. What are the rules of engagement?

12:52 I don't know. More like a guideline, I guess. Something like no need to chime in and add something to the conversation unless I really actually have something to add to the conversation. either, you know, of actual value of or of humor value. Either one. When I first saw this photo, it looked like an enormous basket of fries, but now I just realized that I'm stupid and it's called perspective. It gives perspective, all right. I have made a discovery. Japanese McDonald's fries are fried in beef and pork fat. That's why they taste very Wagyu-like. When I first saw this photo it looked like an enormous basket of fries but now I just realized that I'm stupid and it's called perspective. These confounding factors for whether or not a like means you like it makes me think there should be a third button that's a private like. It doesn't tell the person but it tells the recommender that you like it. I guess that's what engagement time is but I don't know these these social confounding factors make it just like bothers me a little bit. No I want to a trade button. I wanna trade novel-like to camera-like or... camal-like or chess-like.

14:04 AirJap token, social status games, and we're starting to have an emerging going rate for likes, replies, richits. The pieces are coming together for the new social air trap. The AirChat Federal Reserve has set rules. Get busy. More you talk, more you cheat, more you get likes. The best lies are on transcripts. AirJap token, social status games, and we're starting to have an emerging going rate for likes, replies, rechits. The PCs are coming together for the new social air trap. And then the real players are the ones who are hiding it. 4-1 reply.

14:58 Hold on, you said you owe everybody in this group something. What is it that you're owing us? We need to fill the obligations of this contract. I think you're going to have to owe us 20 push-ups. Or like extra reps, something like that. Sounds fair. It's easier than 20 pull-ups. Well, now that you put it that way, I guess we need to do 20 pull-ups. Linda get up and get your ass to the gym right now. Okay so Nawal just liked one of my air chats. I'm so embarrassed. I am so embarrassed because I thought nobody is listening to these. This is so funny. I don't know what to say but I am flattered that I get to connect with people like him on this platform. And I probably should refine the way I talk over here. I don't know, I'll probably stop using this now. But yeah, it was fun. Like, yeah.

15:59 Naval printed a lot of likes, so the currency is super devalued. But a Naval repost, that'll get you a lot. So we keep our fingers crossed that Musk will buy it. I don't know, it's all politics, so logic doesn't matter. If you see this post, it means that we have solved the new post creation. Congratulations. Enjoy your chit-chatting. Hey, that was fast. Are you already setting up a Tokyo office so we can have a 24-7 customer support and bug fixing and squashing and feature building? You have the right to remain silent and refuse to speak if you give up the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used in conversations on air chat. This morning I've tried to do three posts and none of them have actually succeeded.

16:52 It's come back saying re-record and check your internet connection, which I have done. So I'm just testing in here. What I noticed is that I can reply here, but I'm going to create a new cheat without a reply to something. You know how unconferences could be either super amazing or super bad based on how good the moderator is? that is leading the unconference session. It would be really great if this app had a couple of more built-in restraints and constraints to cut off how long people can reply, et cetera, to make the conversation flow more and to involve more people into the conversation. It's mainly about people. So, yeah, you can use the search and the topics, discussions or groups. But AI is not really good at getting the context. So probably there will be something in the future. But at this point, I would recommend just trying to find interesting people and then follow them.

17:39 and they will reply to other interesting people. And that's the one-on-one people-to-people connection you are going to get here and should be having real conversations and not just consuming content. I did not see this coming. It's at least a new Facebook. Hey, folks. So TikTok is getting banned. What do we think? I just saw that I think it passed today. And all it needs, I think it passed Senate within the finance bill or whatever. Biden needs to sign and basically that's it. TikTok has whatever, 180 days or whatever time to either divest and sell TikTok or they will get banned. And what do we think? I personally think that TikTok is hella dangerous. The amount of engagement and youth affection, I think it's very dangerous to have that in the hands of a non-US kind of entity.

18:32 But I was wondering what you guys think. So we keep our fingers crossed that musk will bite. And all of a sudden it clicks. Does it clack? I have made a discovery. Japanese McDonald's fries are fried in beef and pork fat. That's why they taste very Wagyu-like. Isn't the biggest question here. You go to Japan to go to McDonald's. I'm all for Whisper Air Chat. This is the best air chat. Sigil, please, when you come back, give me a whisper room or channel or whatever I call it. I want a channel where it's all whispering people. I think it's going to be incredible. Let's go. Fred's is threading X to pieces. The daily active users are higher than X twitters.

19:29 Thanks, so I'll stop calling it Takaru and I'll call it Takaru and I'll stop saying Chai tea as well. Chai tea is unacceptable. But you know what? We get it, Nawal. The only Hindi term you remember correctly is the name of your favorite food. And by now we all know it. It's Malai. We get it. I just went to the search and I saw that there's another AI topic and it has like 7,000 people. While we're in here with like 100 people or so. How did that get so big without me seeing? It's crazy. Okay, guys. 9 a.m. call time for gym. I owe everyone in this group if I don't go. Hey, Linda, it's your gym calling just to remind you of your 9 a.m. Hi, Julie.

20:18 I did not go at 9. I went at noon, but I still did go. So thank you for this. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Okay, thank you. Are social status games positive some, negative some, or zero some? The Neval bait has been put out. Let's see if he bites. Oh, I forgot to post my final results from last week. I win, or I lose. I have a problem. I think you do it better. Oh, groovy, baby. thank you so much Petri I think I might have to audition for the fourth Austin Powers movie that'd be fun especially if we collected some characters from air chat to also be involved as well I had to delete the word groovy from my vocabulary because of my British accent it always sounds like I'm impersonating Austin Powers groovy baby I think you do it better. Oh groovy baby. Thank you so much Petri. I think I might have to audition for the fourth Austin Powers movie. That'd be fun especially if we collected some characters from air chat to also be involved as well. Yeah man I mean I was uh I was actually talking about Brett and my other comment about people sounding like they're scripted just when I was listening to some of his content. It just struck me as sounding very scripted or forced and performative, which is just not what I was kind of looking for or what I thought the app would be doing.

22:03 But I'll check out the other guys. Yeah, it tends to be sort of narrow. I guess I'm looking for more of the sort of meme aspects of social platforms that are compelling. It seems like a lot of the air chat use cases are intended for, ones that I'm not particularly focused on when I'm using social media. But maybe it's just a different usage thing as well, I don't know. Well, have you found the meme discussion group? They're also a karaoke group. Have you seen the sitposting stuff happening? Well, here's one example of just sounds, and if you dig deeper, you'll find probably something funny. What do you think some people are looking for that they're they're not gonna find. Impeccable spelling. I'm enjoying Bulgaria. I've just arrived, honestly. But... Oops, you need to initiate the styling mode. Yeah, it's very similar and it's particularly difficult when you're conversing with people from different cultures. For example, in the UK people are very, very sarcastic and then you take that that default position of being very sarcastic and you start communicating with say Americans on the internet and they do not understand that sarcasm at all and they think that you're being overtly hostile and there there is no sarcasm emoji you know.

23:19 Oh and not just with Americans. And by fighting I mean having a completely normal discussion actually. Is the party in front of you competing with the party in outer space? What? I don't use air chat for three days and nobody invites me to the air chat OG's channel. I'm very hurt, very saddened. Oh that's impossible but it's good to hear your voice. Can we download audio and revert to regular speed here? Because I've been wanting to crowdsource backing vocals for a bunch of songs. Like oftentimes I find myself having to create like multiple variations of me to create the kind of like massive crowd-esque backing vocals I want. And recently I've been using AI to change the voices to, you know, different kinds of voices. I wonder if AirChat could be the place to crowdsource the arena backing vocals I've always dreamed of.

24:14 There's also the option to listen to the chits on WebPlayer. So let's take a link off the chit and it should play on any web browser as well. Maybe that's easier than to rep the audio if you want to have that one. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Hey Petri, I'm just starting to drop content bombs everywhere and see where they land because I've no clue at the minute, but I'm finding it fun. I'm just kind of saying things and then not worrying about where it's going until I find my feet. Good to see you still around. Hey, Ben, good to see you. Yeah, I think the point is that you keep on talking and the bangers will land if they land, but it's not really the issue. And the point of the whole thing is just to have good conversations and those happen when you're talking. For example, in the case of Antrofix, it's not a funding issue. For example, you can check the cloud.ai. It's not accessible in the EU. I think the same thing, well, threats, there was also, they didn't launch in the EU. Well, they originally didn't, and then they took it back, and Gemini also wasn't available in the first weeks or months in the EU.

25:24 So there are multiple cases where the EU citizens cannot access the AR models at the same time as people in the US, for example. And in the Anthropics case, I can put a link here, the commercial API is accessible in the EU, but the commercial service is not. Yeah, the sadness is that so many perhaps startups could have started and then eventually moved. And that now, here in Scandinavia, there is an even proposed law that makes it even difficult to exit Europe with financing and everything. So, yeah. My best friend and I have known each other, believe it or not, 40 years. So I found this poem called Friendship, and it just struck me. And it was like, this is, the poem's called Friendship by Dinah Maria Mullock Craig. Here it goes. Oh, the comfort, the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person. Having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words, but pouring them out, all right out, just as they are.

26:16 Chaff and grain together. certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them, keep what is worth keeping, and with the breath of kindness, blow the rest away. I got this hot pocket looking thing at Mercado de la Boqueria in Barcelona. It tastes okay, but the picture looks good, so I'm sharing. Isn't the sound which matters next time you will taste something? The picture is just for the illustrative purposes, but the sound. This just might be a place for unironically groovy people, Shell. Glad to find you here. I had to delete the word groovy from my vocabulary because of my British accent. It always sounds like I'm impersonating Austin Powers. Groovy baby. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. I keep doing that about art and no one's responding to me. It makes me sad. But we did. Unfortunately, I even tried to attack you but you changed your Name and attacking doesn't really work at the moment and you were gone, so I couldn't find you within the 15-minute window.

27:23 I couldn't attack Cyber either. What? I don't use AirChat for three days and nobody invites me to the AirChat OG's channel. I'm very hurt, very saddened. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. And if you don't see the people you would like to talk with, start inviting them. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. And if you don't see the people you would like to talk with, start inviting them. Exactly. For example, Stephen Wolfram. The origin story of AirChat. Brian wakes up one morning and this is the vision he has in his mind. Okay, I'll be honest. When I joined AirChat, I did not expect the karaoke channel at all. And now it is one of my favorite things.

28:12 Thank you, guys. All I want for Christmas is a drone that hunts mosquitoes. If I go via the profile of the original poster's post, and there I can see my post, but if I click the link, I cannot go there and it doesn't open. But here it is. There's got to be a solution to the instant accidental blindness. The precision is probably good enough, so it will target between the mosquitoes' eyes. Welcome to the number of state chamber. If you've read the book, give me your feedback. We're writing the second edition now. Yeah, welcome to the club. Twitter has definitely been ruined. If only tweets could talk, and the long stares could make them too. Well, I guess you're almost there then. First you have a glimpse of it, and then over time that becomes your permanent state of being, I guess. And yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to be imperfect.

29:05 So it's probably not about what you are, but how you are. We're all imperfect. And I think enlightened people are also like, you know, they don't change. They don't, in terms of like the qualities, in terms of how they behave, etc. It's just more of a quality of being awakened and being conscious in what they do and what they are. But I may be wrong, though. I'm not enlightened either. By the way, I think it's very interesting how this conversation went from Max Levitchin and PayPal to Buddha in like three chats. I was about to try and reply to someone on Twitter by pressing at the bottom of the screen and talking like it was air chat. Yeah, welcome to the club. It had to be you. It had to be you. I wandered around and finally found somebody who... Some years back I did an interview with the ex-prime minister. He was the youngest, at least Estonian prime minister, maybe the European prime minister, Taviro Ivas.

30:06 and also the delivery robot company, Starship Enterprises, and the co-founder of Skype. Marty Hain, like my last episode, so if you want to get a little bit of Estonian flavor. Then I have also one of the, I think she was the highest paid Estonian supermodel, and she's also a startup founder and accomplished later on in that field as well. So there are some Estonian content in my podcast if you're interested. Sorry to plug. I'm just laughing, man. I've been a little busy creating content content by content creators for content consumers, connecting continental content for constant consumption, contextual content. This is so contentful content conversation.

30:59 We were a platform to connect content creators to content consumers. The content creators were more content with the content they were creating, And the content consumers were really content with the content they were consuming. So what was the short content that was the most content in the continent of India's content? Funny content, wild content, content content. Content related to your context, context related to your content. In the end, the purpose was to serve the best content so people could be content. Good morning to East Coast. I see the early birds are already up and making their coffees. And I know some of the people in Japan are trying to stay still awake, at least the ones who've been traveling. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. If you're not content with your content, then make better content to be content.

31:51 I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram, who actually, now that I mention it, would love to come on to this. I feel like he would jive very well with AirChat. Has anyone sent him an invite yet? I could do so. It was such an interesting interview. I've interviewed him twice. The first time was in 2018. I was first starting my podcast. And he talked about AI. And this was before, probably after GPT-2 came out, probably before GPT-3 came out. He was already aware of this stuff. I knew what unsupervised learning and supervised learning were, but I was not aware of GPT. I wish I was. And he said, you know, once AI's here, we'll need to learn how to know what to want, because the robots will be able to do what we want. They'll be able to do a lot of what we want, not all of it, but maybe eventually.

32:41 And so then the core human problem shows up is how to figure out what we want. And for anybody who has looked deeply into the nature of desire, it is not at all clear how to figure out what we want, because most of our wants are implanted by societal processes and social proof. Oh, that guy's got something. I want that. I want that because he's got it. And I respect him, so I want that too. And that's not a strong basis for a desire. Desire is something different. This could go into the nature of enlightenment as the ultimate desire. Why would you want enlightenment? It means the death of the person. Why would you want that? All that's a tangent, because I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram again, and now we have the AI that does what we want. And it's, you know, initial stages. It doesn't do everything that we want. It's done a lot of things that I don't want to do, all the busy work, particularly around publishing podcast episodes.

33:36 So now we've got AI. we did a great interview on his theory of physics as well, which is really interesting. I can't remember. It was a while ago. I think it was a month ago now. I'm going to publish on Friday. So if you're interested in hearing the episode, please subscribe to Crazy Wisdom on iTunes, Spotify, or YouTube. I can actually release it here. If somebody wants to hear it, I'll make a special release to the air chat people, and I'll just link to it. But basically, we talked about his theory of physics, And there's one point where I asked him about separate things, separate things in the universe, like entities in the universe. And he said there are no separate things in the universe, because space itself is a network.

34:26 Ah, no, there is no empty space in space. Empty space is part of the network of space. And that blew my mind. So yeah, let me know if anybody wants to listen to that episode, and I'll make a special early release for people here on AirChat. So what do you think is the meaning of life? To discover what is. Erchat is getting deeper. The first week after the release was about funny sounds and giggling chits, and now we're talking about Buddhas and meaning of life and not giving advice. What's the next week gonna be like? What would you do if your ex joined Erchat and you got the notification? You can just tap the mute button and forget the whole thing. Why is the entire My First Million channel talking about Buddhas? What did I miss? The First Million Buddhas.

35:21 Some of those posts get almost no interaction. Potentially just one like or one response with the person he's having the conversation with. Most people don't even see that in their timelines because for some reason the sorting algorithm does not put that in front of his viewers. so there are no interactions almost with that post and it is still obviously a good human interaction with another person that i don't think would exist on twitter the purpose of this platform is to just have a human connection to have someone to always talk to that you're interested in talking to and so if you get even one reply that makes the bid to talk worthwhile. And if you get too many replies, if you got the Instagram equivalent of 10,000 likes, it would be a disaster because you cannot engage in 10,000 conversations. You can't even process them all or sift through them all. So the platform is designed in such a way that it encourages you to have a small number of high quality conversations and not more than that. Let's see if it works.

36:23 It's their content. If they want to delete it, it's their right. We can't stop them, nor should we. Not a priority feature, but it would be nice to get a notification that that's it your reply has been deleted so you have the option to delete your reply if it's meaningless or it's out of context or something happens. So I noticed a few occasions where I actually delayed it when the original went away. Is it a channel about programming or programming languages? Programming sounds so old-fashioned, why not coding or prompting? I know when I'm in, I'm not in a persistent state, but when it comes and goes, I can observe my body doing whatever it does. I can observe the words coming out of my mouth, but I'm not the one that's saying the words. It's just coming of its own. It's coming of its own.

37:11 See, right now I'm thinking. Right now I'm thinking for a word, so it's not coming out of my own. But like when it is, it feels right. It feels like I'm just observing. And it's acquired by being desireless and fearless. Because you have to be sort of fearless to pursue basically not having control of your body or not having control of anything about what you're going to do. And you have to be desireless to not want to do things your own way. Effortless being. There's a lot of like spiritual texts where it's like question and answer. Like Maharashi, Nisargata, these are two that I'm reading right now. And they both have the question and answer. Adi Ashanti has this too. Eckhart Tolle. They do this question and answer. And the questioner is usually not in that state, but the answerer is. And how the answerer responds is how I'm describing in the sense that they're not thinking. They're just responding from that state.

38:00 And then once you get your questions answered, hopefully you can walk away with that and then realize it in yourself. At least, I mean, that's what I'm observing. The answers are usually breadcrumbs for the questioner. But the questioner needs to do the work themselves. And that's what they can take away from it. It doesn't probably work for the people reading them or the other ones if it's not targeted for the general consumption, the answering method. Ground control to Major Tom. This is Major Tom to ground control. I'm adding Julie now. Hey, Naval, Sejal. What are your thoughts on an AirChat recruitment channel? I have a lot of friends who ping me when they want to hire, and I have some friends who also ping me when they're looking for jobs.

38:48 So it might be a nice place to play matchmaker. When we resume opening new channels with some moderation, of course, it would make sense to have different kinds of recruiting and dating channels. But, you know, in a way, the best people are hunted. They don't approach you. And they're also, these connections are best made serendipitously and casually rather than formally and awkwardly. LinkedIn always strikes me as very awkward, or at least job searching on LinkedIn, because it's this very stuffy, stilted experience. Just like with a dating site, you're basically putting yourself out there. I think it's much better for people to just naturally be themselves and then for other people in the environment to say, oh, you know that thing? Well, I'm actually looking to work with someone who knows that thing. Or for people to be naturally attracted to each other by viewing a larger facet or more facets of other people's personalities than would otherwise come through on a simple dating profile. Nowadays, Finland is really a lot about the gaming and gaming startups.

39:36 So the Supercell and Rovio making a path forward and then there's lots of new companies following them. Here's a company you may have not heard about before, Medacore. They are the rising star at the moment and the founder. He was working with Supercell's founder together in the early 2000s. They had their mobile gaming company and Sumaya. Supercell also invested in Metacore. So there's this gaming community which is not just only in Finland but also Sweden and the Nordics which is pretty strong. Petri thank you so much for sharing this is super insightful I'll go check in the links. I have absolutely no talent in voice acting but I have so much fun when I watch voice actors I just think it would be so great if I could be be good in it, good at it. I try but I have absolutely no talent in it. You have the advantage of air chat and an audience who can be your test audience and you will see the responses and you can get better so much faster than any other voice actor in the world. It's not about likes but they seem to be living in the moment. Hey Johnny it was enabled some time ago it might be just a question of finding yourself there with the search. Try the username, try the new name.

41:12 I found myself. It was not the first choice there, but eventually I found myself from the search box. Yeah, that's correct. I just tried it and it's annoying that it's searching through everybody when I only have permission to DM the people that I follow. So it should not search everybody. It should only search the people that you follow. Tagging Ben Edelstein to fix that. It is also quite cumbersome to find the people to tag. You have to switch You have to go to search, you have to go to different places to do that now. So if the tagging experience totally would be made a little bit more easier so that you can be sure that it's the same person because there's going to be so many people with the same names. Even if you're following a few hundred people, there may be a few Toms and Johns and James and it may get a little bit difficult. So while doing that, maybe that's also something worth checking out. Can anyone invite me to a crypto channel and longevity or biohacking channel? Hey Julie, the channels are at the moment still under heavy development. You have to find the owner of the channel. Only the owner can invite people at the moment. Some of the channels are open ones, but I guess the ones you are requesting to get in are the ones which require to find the owner and ask them. You can tag them in a public chat or DM them if that's enabled.

42:24 Great, thanks a lot. Thanks a lot, Patrick. I will tag the person who's the owner of the channel later. The more time I spend in crypto, the more time I realize I totally should have launched a shitcoin. At first I thought, well, let me try to do something useful in crypto. But that's hard. Then I thought, well, I could launch a shitcoin, but that would be terrible for my reputation. And I wouldn't want to screw people over or take advantage of anybody, even though it looked like a lot of fun. And now the more people I meet who are into buying random shitcoins and sort of gambling on arbitrary meme coins, I realize I had it totally wrong. These people know what they're doing. They are like, you know, they're intelligent degenerates. They are doctors who smoke. They know what they're buying. They don't care that it's stupid. In fact, the optimal game strategy would have, uh, their optimal strategy would have just been to launch the absolute dumbest coin possible. So all that time wasted thinking of true utility, um, was foolish. I should have said, this is the dumbest thing ever. This will go absolutely nowhere, but Hey, it's kind of fun. Right. And, um, Hey, don't take this seriously at all. But Hey, what do you know? The price is going up. And as long as I had done that, uh, you know, the actual situation is that you have a ton of air cover. It's like, uh, you know, you date somebody who, you know, you date a girl who wants to be in an open relationship. It's amazing. You have a hall pass. And I think the hall pass of business was to launch a shit coin. And I missed it. I totally, totally missed it.

43:32 Yeah, this is a mistake that good entrepreneurs make when they come into crypto. They think that what people want is something useful, but that's not what people want. What people want is to get rich quickly. And so you just have to give them a substrate to get rich quickly. And that's what does well in crypto. What drug did the devs put in their chat? I can't seem to get off this app. Good night, sweet dreams. I'm not sure what AI or hardware or anything like that adds to Vipassana. meditation is the oldest thing there is. It's literally, it's anyone, anytime, anywhere is capable of it. I don't think it gets enhanced in any possible way by any external influence. I have yet to find a meditation aid that wasn't counterproductive. There used to be a ring called mood metric, which was detecting the changes in your skin's conductivity. And that's the signals coming from your autonomous nervous system.

44:26 So no willpower does anything for it. And it was really nice to see the results when people are meditating. Once in, I think it was the last startup event, there was even competition in the booth where people could try to meditate and put the number down. And those who were really skillful actually managed to get it down. But the funny thing is that you cannot just tell it to go down. And the physical exercise doesn't affect it either. So it's not like a heart rate monitor. So that type of stress doesn't do anything for the measurement. So that's one tool using the skin's conductivity, which might actually help in your meditation if you want to get better and get some kind of measurement, whether you're actually getting more calm while you're doing it. Voice is a factor. It's not the only factor. Newness is a factor. It's not the only factor. Our moderation systems are a factor. They're not the only factor.

45:14 One-on-one conversations are a factor. It's not the only factor. There are many factors at play here. Technology and the early community can do only so much. The fact that it cannot fix other people who are not behaving. All right, you got to laugh at me on that one. There's an old Sun Tzu line that goes something like, if you sit by the river long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies float by. And I try not to have enemies. Why give them space in my head? but I will say that when I've seen people doing shady things in my life, if I've waited 10, 15, 20 years, yep, the bodies float by. Why? Not necessarily because there's some sense of karmic justice in the universe. I don't know the answer to that. But people are oddly consistent. So when people cut corners, they make mistakes, they play fast and loose. Eventually, eventually, someone gets tired of them doing that, finds them out, and takes care of them.

46:03 Question for the AirChat team. Is there a way that I can message myself on this app privately? I feel that this could be a great note-taking tool or personal journal if I could just send direct messages to myself. Please let me know if this is possible. It would be a huge help. Thanks again. Hey, Johnny. It was enabled some time ago. It might be just a question of finding yourself there with the search. Try the username, try the new name. I found myself. It was not the first choice there, but eventually I found myself from the search box. I'm using one right now and my experience so far is that it's basically a bread monitor. It says to me, "Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, I know you ate bread. Put it down. Naval, you're thinking about bread. Bread. Naval, you just ate some bread. I can smell it on your breath. Naval, you look like bread. You're made of bread. You're gonna die with a piece of bread in your mouth." And it's a very innovative country, very tech-driven.

46:58 It has a lot of startups. It has about 10 unicorns, if I'm not mistaken. And it's not bad for a small country of only 1.4 million population. So one of the most known startups are Wise, wise.com. Pipedrive, it's a CRM. Bolt, for example, it's a car hailing and food delivery service. It's mostly known in European countries, also in African countries and some former Soviet Union countries. But it's a huge company. And, yeah, I'm attaching that video of a delivery bot. roaming around the city delivering food like pizza etc never seen anything like this before yeah i wish i saw uh some selfless self-driveless and self-driving cars in uh estonia but that's not happening yet some years back i did an interview with the ex-prime minister he was the youngest at least estonian prime minister maybe the european prime minister and was also a delivery robot company starship enterprises and the co-founder of skype mahti like my last episode.

47:55 So if you want to get a little bit of Estonian flavor, then I have also one of the, I think she was the highest paid Estonian supermodel. And she's also a startup founder and accomplished later on in that field as well. So there are some Estonian content in my podcast, if you're interested. Sorry to plug. Hi, Airchat. What has been the most impactful advice someone has given you regarding life, relationships, love, career, anything. I promise I'm not trying to be clever, but the best advice I ever received was never give advice. And the reason for this is because everyone is error prone and everyone should be allowed to explore their lives without having someone to blame. At least this is my interpretation of why one shouldn't give advice and perhaps one shouldn't take advice. Again, the reason being, in my mind is because if you take advice and it goes wrong, you've got someone else to blame.

48:56 And if you give advice and things go wrong, then perhaps you're at fault. All of this comes from David Deutsch who never gives advice. Now, he didn't say why he never gives advice, but this is my interpretation of why. So the best advice I ever received was never give advice and possibly never take advice either. It's fine to listen to people. It's good to discuss with people. It's good to understand your problem situation and to look at the solutions before you. But as to advice, don't give it. Avoid taking it. I feel like our aunties and grandmas would really like this app. Older people are lonely and they love to talk. Send an invite to your grandma. I must say, I'm enjoying the feed today. For some reason, it's delicious. filled with cool people talking about cool things.

49:47 Yeah, hopefully they get a web app together. That would be useful for me too. The day so far has been pretty good, just getting back into work. Research today mainly, working on some new research projects around digital authenticity and blockchain, and also some work around deepfakes too. So far so good. How are things on your end? You can access some of the content by consuming it from the web. The links are obviously open, and you can listen to them, I doubt that they will make a fully PWA, Broadcasting Web Application, which works on the web because they already have an Android and iPhone apps, and those are native apps. It would be cool if instead of BIOS, you just had like a pinned yap, or like your bio was a yap. I don't know. I think that'd be neat.

50:38 Yeah, if you're in Europe, you need to wake up really early and sleep very little because now starts the peak time. Talk like nobody is listening. Happy Monday, AirChat. What a doozy of a weekend that was. Man, didn't feel like a break at all, but we're gonna head into Monday with a smile on our face and our mug. This will be my singing thread from now on. Highlighted on my profile. The intention of using AirChat versus voicemail differ, and that changes the perception of the message as well. I swear if someone tries to contact me about my extended warranty on here, I'm leaving. Is this a bad time? I noticed that your SoundCloud account might need an extended warranty. Why is AirChat good but voicemail bad?

51:30 Because you can read it first and then you can tap it to hear the tone of voice only if you want to. The intention of using AirChat versus voicemail differ, and that changes the perception of the message as well. Taking a poll here, does language limit imagination or does it enhance it? If you speak different languages, you realize that some of the languages are better at expressing some ideas than others. So it's a neutral tool, but it might actually give you different creative ideas and that may help in the process. We are in Osaka. The toddler just rejected six different complicated meals and then scarfed down like 300 grams of Wagyu beef. No genetic testing needed ever.

52:21 Here's a feature I like. I'm at the doctor's office listening to air chat, obviously. And I got interrupted, so I pressed pause. I expected to have to listen to the whole post again. No, it saved my spot. Whoever made that, you're my favorite AirChat team member today. You are awesome. Please don't roast me for saying chai tea. No worries, it doesn't count as a roast. And good morning, Jess. Some chits are older than others. What's talk without thought? AirChat is an audiobook of great minds. this app reminds me of when i lived in the center of rome and from my apartment you could hear all the tourists walking by and little snippets of the conversation you heard about two sentences of the conversation and then never anymore and then you construct stories of it feels like that when you're struggling slowing through the pages on this um i'm not sure if that's a good thing though welcome to a chat you can certainly have a lot of discussions here as well here's an example by Colby, talking about NOSTA.

53:23 And I would say that that's the best part of AIChat, having conversations which are concise and you can just skip all the downtime and just get the best parts. But some of these happen synch, some happen async and I think the best is just enjoy the ride and the team is really responsive for feedback and there's a lot of new builds coming. Maybe sometimes more than two times a day. Well, that's a funny video. I remember when we had Twitter first started like that. And when you do the unfollow like Jack did in that video, it would actually send you an alert saying, Jack is no longer your friend. So sometimes software gets better. One of the things that everybody said when we first started Twitter was that it was really, really stupid. And people kept saying it was stupid forever, but people kept using it.

54:12 So it matters less whether or not people think your thing is stupid, more whether or not they keep coming back and keep using it. Wasn't that the same what Jack was saying with Facebook when they had a, probably maybe it was the first huge change in the UI and maybe some of the feed logic as well. People were complaining and there was a huge outrage, but he was just checking the logs and people just kept on coming back and using the feed. So he was like, it doesn't matter. Let's stick what we have. Oh, that's a funny video. I remember when we had Twitter first started like that. And when you do the unfollow like Jack did in that video, it would actually send you an alert saying, Jack is no longer your friend. So sometimes software gets better. One of the things that everybody said when we first started Twitter was that it was really, really stupid. And people kept saying it was stupid forever, but people kept using it.

55:03 So it matters less whether or not people think your thing is stupid, more whether or not they keep coming back and keep using it. Okay, I did what Naval said. I nuked my follows, and then I followed back some people, and now it's just absolutely dead in here. What am I supposed to do? Go back to Twitter? Sorry, X, formerly known as Twitter? I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. The spam mode seems to be working though. Why can I type here because I'm so good at typing? Why I have to talk? It's the same as going to a skating ring and saying that, hey, I don't know how to skate, I'm so good at skiing. Why cannot I use my skis in the skating ring? Air chat makes the clarity of verbal thought become immortalized so that you can appreciate what somebody said instead of letting it just fly away.

55:56 Does that hold you back of saying the bangers are in real life because you want to immortalize them on your chat? Does anyone else replay their chats after they record them? I don't do it for all of them, but a lot of times I'm curious how I come across them. I'm learning a lot. I really am learning a lot about myself. Some pleasant, some not so pleasant. But it's kind of fun. I don't, because I'm speaking to them, so I more or less know how it sounds, unless there's some technical issues. you might be funny on twitter but are you funny on air chat your life one person loves i posted one of my experiments like this but i do something like this almost every day and have a good idea what specific food and or what compound in a food has an effect on my resting heart rate or hrv and basically when i avoid those i get good stats if i'm eating normally I get shit stats like everyone else.

56:56 Well, that sounds like a regular day here. You just end up to sleep, eat properly, and then you go outside where it's snowing at the moment. I'm loving AirChat's current stance on monetization, of just having it be like a small fee per user eventually, just keep the lights on. I'm hoping we get to a world where we can look at different types of values that are being created. Like how can we actually see the value of connecting people and making them understand each other through these kinds of discussions? Not everything needs to be sort of slammed with a euro value. Nostra is experimenting with that because everything is decentralized and somebody needs to pay the hosting and CPU and other bills. So the people who care enough will pay, and even little will be enough if the ecosystem is together, so the value chain, each and every step in the chain, will get the money they need, but it's hard to integrate it and the temptation to go for the centralized service, will use advertising or some other. Maybe dark patterns to monetize it tends to win.

57:57 It's an invite-only channel. Okay, we will be patient. We'll wait for the tools. Thank you. When you put in design and search for topics, only fashion comes out. It's an invite-only channel. Thoughtfulness of writing, but the tone of speaking. I like that. if you don't see the content you would like to see here start talking super interesting i agree that's going to be a lot better for users um so i wonder then how you productize the lack of analytics or that priority when you start commercializing the app and having a sales team or selling yeah what kind of ad products would you sell on this app i could care less about monetization we'll run this thing on shoestring if we have to i was always really impressed and maybe this story is apocryphal but i was always really impressed with the idea that whatsapp was was sustaining itself just by charging premium users a dollar a month or something like that for some minimal additional feature set. And hey, what's wrong with that? I don't need a team of 3,000 people. You know, that kind of stuff is totally unnecessary in this age of infinite leverage. So we don't have to do anything weird for monetization. And God forbid I ever have to manage a sales team. These words will probably come back to haunt me, but I can't imagine anything less fun than managing a sales team. AirChat makes it much easier to bi-directionally talk to large numbers of people than it has been before. That feels new. Imagine getting bitten by a snake.

59:19 and instead of helping yourself recover from the poison, you chased the snake and tried to find out why. You tried to prove the snake that you didn't deserve to get bitten. This has nothing to do with snakes. So I just came back from a night walk and the moon was shining so beautifully over the ocean. I'm afraid my camera may not have captured it as well as I would have wanted it to, But I thought, this has to be shared with the people. So here it is. Thank you for the 100 followers. It's been really crazy to use this app and listen to all of your voices. Some of you I know from Twitter. It's pretty wild. It took me probably a year, maybe two years, to get to 100 followers on Twitter. And it's just been a couple days here.

1:00:09 So I appreciate everyone following. I hope you don't regret it. For those of you who haven't updated recently, the iOS version should now be 3.08 in the App Store as of about six hours ago. And it's got a lot of bug fixes and some little new features, including dynamic font sizing. So you can increase the font size in the app, although that's not quite perfect. Later builds will make it better, but at least you can get started on that. So you don't have to peep at small fonts anymore. That's one big one. Another one is that it'll now actually remember your last playback in the previous or nearby posts so that if you're scrolling up and down a little too quickly, you'll be able to just resume where you left off. And if you're sharing to X, the artist formerly known as Twitter, and you share from inside the share sheet, it should copy not just the link, but also paste the transcript of the post in there. So enjoy and happy hunting. Excellent.

1:00:56 I think I was even using it in this morning without realizing while I was looking for screen names and people to tag and using the search and all that I think required exactly that feature. Yo, who wants to come to the next Explore v2 launch party? For those of you who haven't updated recently, the iOS version should now be 3.08 in the app store as of about six hours ago. And it's got a lot of bug fixes and some little new features, including dynamic font sizing. So you can increase the font size in the app, although that's not quite perfect. Later builds will make it better, but at least you can get started on that. So you don't have to peep at small fonts anymore. That's one big one. Another one is that it'll now actually remember your last playback in the previous or nearby posts so that if you're scrolling up and down a little too quickly, you'll be able to just resume where you left off. And if you're sharing to X, the artist formerly known as Twitter, and you share from inside the share sheet, it should copy not just the link, but also paste the transcript of the post in there. So enjoy and happy hunting.

1:01:53 All right, saying goodnight crew. Can anyone else please either send me a DM or tag people here that still need to be added? I am sending manual DMs to folks and there are several I sent out already that haven't been accepted. They just need to click on the link in the DM, just like you guys did. If anyone from the original air chat and you know who you are wants to get into this group, send a DM to Nirasa directly and you have to follow him because he cannot send you an invite and only he can send an invite if you're not following him. So if you want to get in here, just follow him and drop a DM and ask an invite. That should do it. I think the simplest protocol, as Patrick said, is simply to follow me, DM me, I'll send you the link and you can unfollow me afterwards after you join the group. We're just looking for a way to restrict follow spamming where people follow a lot of people in exchange for hoping they'll get followed back. It definitely does not apply to you. As for rooms and channels, it's not a feature we set out to build. It just sort of got demanded when we launched the app, but the reality is it doesn't scale. So we're still building. We're still trying to figure out what to do there. And honestly, I don't think you're missing much. The way to discover people in this app is just look at the people you follow, see who they're talking to, see if you like those people and follow them. Your feed gets backfilled automatically until you follow enough people for it to fill logically based on who you do follow and who they're talking to. So please give us a chance, keep exploring, and find people that you want to engage with.

1:03:11 People are looking for a magic algorithm to be introduced to just the right person at the right time at the right moment, and obviously we don't build as much as we can, but it sort of doesn't exist. It is up to you to do the work to mingle around, meet people, talk to people, and find people, just like you would at a real party. I think Petri is from Finland. Correct me if I'm wrong, Petri. As for Estonia versus Bali, Estonia is a beautiful country. It's actually a hidden gem. How many people know about it? How many people move in there? Mostly because they don't like the cold weather and it can get a little kind of too harsh in the winters but actually after living seven years in a constant heat tropical climate our kids were missing snow and skiing and all that and we actually missed that too and I find colder places colder climates more favorable for studying and learning and just focusing on something without you know extra distraction so it's a very chill place I never felt myself as peaceful as in Estonia and it's also one of the safest places I used when I was growing up all the kids were going to school on their own just walking to the school and now it's just not the case anymore and you don't see it in many countries right but in Estonia it's still the thing like kids just you know go to the bus station hop on a bus or tram station hop on a tram and go to school and come back and I'm talking about kids like seven eight nine years old and it's totally safe and no one worries about letting their kids go on their own so it's a very advanced country one of the most digitalized countries very effective government not many people not very crowded no traffic jams everything is compact everything is close by and the price to quality of life ratio I think is unmatched so it's one of the best countries in Europe like very high quality of life maybe even better than in most countries like in Western Europe and yet the cost of living is very very affordable it's not like in Bali but it's like much cheaper than in France and Germany by a factor of three I would say yeah Bali is great when the kids are small a little they don't need to dress you know layers and layers to go outside in the cold and they can go and just you know they can go around half naked swim in the pool and go a bit by the beach but it only goes so far.

1:05:02 It's not a place for a permanent residency anymore for us. My kids are now almost nine, so once they turn seven, we decided that they need something else for going to school and seeing different kind of infrastructure. Sounds good. Just being when you're here. Wow, this is super interesting. I would really like to know, what is the app that basically replaced TikTok in India? If it's the same type of app, just short videos, or if it has other types of features, I'm actually super interested in the answer that Aditya might provide. So Instagram Reels is something that's taken off in India post the TikTok ban. And it's super interesting as to how they've built the recommendation engine that fast. And I'm talking about when TikTok was banned in India. And after that, I think YouTube Shorts are doing really, really well.

1:05:52 I would say it's not easy to build the kind of recommendation engines that these guys have built or TikTok has built. I have immense respect for the TikTok tech team. It's crazy. But yeah, to answer your question, it's Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts. Oh, yeah. I think Petri is in Estonia as well. How do you find Estonia? I know Bali. People love Bali for the weather as well as the affordability of the lifestyle. So that must be nice. But how do you find Estonia versus Bali? I think Petri is from Finland. Correct me if I'm wrong, Petri. As for Estonia versus Bali, Estonia is a beautiful country. It's actually a hidden gem. Not many people know about it. Not many people move in there, mostly because they don't like the cold weather. It can get a little kind of too harsh in the winters. But actually, after living seven years in a constant heat, tropical climate, our kids were missing snow and skiing and all that.

1:06:44 And we actually miss that, too. And I find colder places, colder climates more favorable for studying and learning and just focusing on something without extra distraction. So it's a very chill place. I never felt myself as peaceful as in Estonia. And it's also one of the safest places. When I was growing up, all the kids were going to school on their own, just walking to the school. And now it's just not the case anymore. And you don't see it in many countries, right? But in Estonia, it's still the thing. Kids just go to a bus station, hop on a bus or a tram station, hop on a tram, and go to school and come back. And I'm talking about kids like 7, 8, 9 years old. And it's totally safe. And no one worries about letting their kids go on their own. So it's a very advanced country, one of the most digitalized countries, very effective government, not many people, not very crowded, no traffic jams, everything is compact, everything is close by, and the price to quality of life ratio, I think, is unmatched. So it's one of the best countries in Europe, like very high quality of life, maybe even better than in most countries, like in Western Europe, and yet the cost of living is very, very affordable.

1:07:42 It's not like in Bali, but it's like much cheaper than in France and Germany by a factor of three, I would say. Yeah, Bali is great when the kids are small, little, they don't need to dress, you know, layers and layers to go outside in the cold. They can go and just, you know, they can go around half naked, swim in the pool and go by the beach. But it only goes so far, you know, it's not a place for a permanent residency anymore for us. My kids are now like almost nine. So once they turn seven, we decided that they need something else for going to school and seeing different kind of infrastructure. That's what I'm thinking too, have a mass unfollow for people who haven't said anything on the app. If they haven't said anything, then they're just the number in your following account. So do they really matter? Yeah, maybe you can purge them, but are they really the issue? I think the issue is more like the people who are yapping, and you don't find them aligning what you want to see in here.

1:08:34 You're a phenomenal writer. You can open a sub stack then. Yeah, obviously it was a joke, but you could maybe make a collection of your weekly or daily thoughts and voice. shits and packets them to some kind of packets and put them out to people who want to consume them at once. Yeah, you could call it a podcast, though. Maybe you can send them some by some other means. That's good. I like your joke. Air chat feels like you're interacting with a person, not the internet. But I'm keyboard clever and voice shy. What do I do? You keep on talking and you get better. So the US House of Representatives just passed a bill to completely ban TikTok in the US. My question is, where will all the attention that is garnered by TikTok go? Is this an opportunity for AirChat to become massively adopted by the US population or not?

1:09:28 Is the team in AirChat doing something about this? Are they promoting it at a bigger scale to attract some of the attention that will be gone from that app and will have to be redirected elsewhere? What are your thoughts? Wow, big news. We have Aditya Kothari on this app, and he's one of the founders of Changari, which actually is one of the platforms that replaced TikTok in India after it got banned there. So, Aditya, do you have any thoughts? I'd love to learn more about how it went down in India and what the aftermath was. Life is about shattering your illusions. Life is an illusion, my friend. So you're getting better at this. I'm really curious to know if they have a plan for when 4chan finds air chat and 10,000 users show up and start just like vitriolically hating on people. Like, is there a plan for that? Or are we just going to collapse under the weight of it? Kind of like all the other apps did.

1:10:25 There's a lot of antiviral mechanics built into this app. So if somebody comments on your shit and you don't follow them, then nobody will be able to see that response at all. Unless you interact with them or follow them back, your followers will never see that. It's an emergent property, the decisions. We are on a macro level, so it's not happening. We are not making it to happen. Because on that electron level, that tiniest level where the prancing happens, there probably happens already something. So yes, when you have made the decision, you find out that you already are in that split multiverse. So in that way, yes, it happens, but it doesn't happen because you make a decision or not. Yeah, but I only learn by asking the stupid questions. This just bumped into my feed. The article itself is so and so, but maybe some of the comments are worth checking out. Life is about shattering your illusions.

1:11:18 Yes, you said it right. Discovering ourselves is the ultimate purpose. But let's see when we'll get there. But all we can do is ensure to reinvent ourselves with time and also to learn from hardships we face in our lives. So shattering our illusions is going to be a long, long journey. So all the best to all of us. Okay, so what happens once you get the entire world on AirChat and everybody is right there in your pocket that you would ever need to talk to? Then what? Hey Naval, I'm already seeing that you're having a little bit of trouble with the content moderation. So I wanted to give you some advice as a founder who had a platform with 1.5 million users on how to best deal with content moderation. Now, number one, do not ever suspend an entire account.

1:12:10 This is the biggest issue because employees, you know, often they get offended and then they just suspend entire accounts. And then these people no longer have access to the app and then they delete the app and stop using it altogether. So the best thing to do there is not to suspend an entire account, but to suspend features. So if someone abuses the DM feature, you suspend the DM feature. If someone abuses the posting feature, then you suspend the posting feature, right? So they can still read, other people still use the app, but they can't post or they can't send DMs if they abused it. Second, these suspensions should be temporary. So when you suspend someone's posting, it best should be temporary, like seven days or 30 days, and it should go on like that. Because otherwise, you could have an employee in your company who is really offended by something someone said. And so even if, let's say, the suspension is permanent and they appeal the suspension, the employee will always deny the appeal request and keep you banned, right?

1:13:03 So this is a problem because, unfortunately, employees, and I've experienced this myself, they like to abuse their power. And as a founder, you probably know that this is a very dangerous thing because this could end up letting your users go away. So it's important that you really focus on, you know, having these suspensions be temporary for the different features. And the only way you should ever suspend someone permanently is if they're clearly attacking the platform, right? If they're doing a DDoS attack, if they're trying to crash your website, in that case, yes. In that case, yes, you can permanently suspend the features that they're abusing or their entire accounts. But in general, you know, if someone is being a little bit, you know, saying a slow word, then they shouldn't really be permanently banned. That's my opinion, my experience as a founder, what I can tell you. I hope you take these words and, you know, adjust some of the things in your company.

1:13:54 I wish you very much success with the social media. What's the probability this dude is just Mark Zuckerberg? This is the official AirChat no words allowed thread. It's at Karaoke Games. Wipe out or stay out. Okay, let's all join in. Getting close. Okay, let's all join in. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you laugh. Just be real. It's all in there. All your creativity, all your craziness, all your wild stuff. Just waiting to be giggled out. Be you. Some of you got a little enthusiastic when a lot of new users joined the app and tried to follow everybody.

1:14:59 And as a result, your follow-up feeds are pretty corrupted or overwhelming. And at the same time, it generates spam for the people that you follow because they get these items in their activity feed and sometimes even push notifications. So we are going to limit following on this app. If you're following more than 1,000 users on this app, your feed is going to be a disaster. So what we're doing now is we're instituting a follow limit. If you're following more than 1,000 people, you'll have to drop below 1,000 people to follow anyone new. The number of people that are following you, that is unaffected. There's no limit on that. So if you would like your following reset, in other words, if you would like to remove all your followers and start over, go ahead and reply to this thread and tag Veer alongside, and we will make sure that happens. But in general, you should just reduce the number of people you're following down to less than 1,000, and then you'll be able to follow new people again.

1:15:46 Thanks for your understanding as we figure this out together. this is the official air chat no words allowed thread all right so here's an analogy that hit me yesterday about the way air chat's currently set up and it's from an older version of me in years past that used to be out and about and running around to nightclubs. The main feed is like the dance floor. We're all bumping into each other. There's introductions being made. It's lots of socializing on lots of different things with lots of people. And if you want to break out, you head upstairs to the balcony with a small group where you're off the dance floor and having your own conversations in smaller groups. And the private channels are like those private reserve tables in primo locations that you have to be invited into. And when you really want to break out into a one-on-one conversation, you head off in the corner into a little couch for your private DMs. There you have it, team.

1:16:54 A trade event or any kind of event could also be another analog. So you're walking the main halls and just hearing people talking. And sometimes you may stop for a while and keep on talking. And then you can do the going to more private conversations or rooms or different side venues or events, and then the day starts again. 10,000 iterations. It's been said that Tesla was really good at building models and the devices he was manufacturing in his mind so that he could even do the test runs, and when he was ready he just made it and it worked. So I guess there are different levels of iterations, but usually it's good to test with the real people, with the real market, even though you can have a perfect mental model, but people are unpredictable, moody, and things are not always going your way.

1:17:45 Yes, auto tag would be better than public channels if we can get it to work. There's a lot of debate internally about tags versus channels. Some people believe that channels are just simple to understand, give people a sense of identity and belonging. They're more than just tags, while other people believe that they're just tags underneath and it's masquerading as a channel, which is overly complicated for no great reason. In terms of auto tagging, yeah, we're trying that out. It's just a lot harder to build than it looks from afar. Having LLM AI run through every message and do tagging is more intensive, less accurate, more expensive, less scalable than just real transcription. So not as easy as it sounds. If you only do tagging and some chits are like threads and they are tagged, so they are like groups in that sense or discussions, I cannot help but start to think about back to the early days of Internet with Yahoo and the manually created categories of interesting topics. and threads and webpages. So that's probably what's going to happen anyway. So the discussion, so-called groups are then back in that format, because if you're joining the app and you don't follow too many people, you don't really get an exposure to those interesting tact conversations.

1:18:51 Yeah, maybe you need to categorize them, but I do like the idea of not having these public discussion groups, because it's another layer on layer, and it's more natural as a talk, and then you don't have these artificial boundaries of who get invited and who's not. And it's also part of the social craft of discovering new people. So it's more natural and native to the platform. Good morning, AirChat. We're getting to the existential questions early in the morning. I met my wife on AirChat. That's really helpful, Ross. It helps me think through some of the issues we're having between public channels, private channels, and the main feed. And now that I think about it, the public channels are really more like topics or tags. They're kind of unmoderated free-for-alls, which degenerates you to a lot of people, but they're good icebreakers. So they're public spaces.

1:19:40 They're foyers. They're entryways where you can enter the event. And then as you kind of get to know that there's a gathering going on some specific topic and you're invited into a more closed space, that's like our fishbowl private channels where you have to be invited in, but it's still public in the sense that people can see what you're talking about or hear what you're talking about. But now you're sort of instantly connected to a bunch of people through some common affinity. And then finally, there is your feed, which is the friends that you form. And then you kind of go off into your own, not necessarily private space, but into your corner where you're talking with your friends that you've made and people that you want to invest more time into. So this is a helpful gradient. I like it. Thank you. Channels are also part of the social craft discovery because of the web of trust model here. And if your current following is not picking up new interesting people or your interests in certain areas are not exactly matching with your following, Discussions are a really good way to discover new people.

1:20:30 And now that HR is open, there's a lot of interesting people joining, but you just haven't met them yet. I'm here with my junior partner and accomplice in the pursuit of Slicky Guy, William Wise Parsa. No, it's William Parsa. He doesn't like his middle name. He's trying to remove it. I'm trying to impose it upon him. No, no, just don't listen to Bob about the Wise. Well, can I just tell him who Wise was? Stop. Why? Stop. Really? why it bothers you? Come on. Anyway, Wise was his imaginary friend. Stop! Stop! Just delete that, please! Alright, alright, just delete it. Hey, everyone. Chris Voss here from the Chris Voss Show Podcast. Hey, I posted in books a recent interview that we did with Yaroslav Tromomov. He is a Wall Street journalist who wrote the book Our Enemies Will Vanish, The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence.

1:21:22 I highly recommend you guys check it out if you like studying war, if you're trying to understand war, if you're looking at what's going on right now in the Ukraine-Russian theater. It's a very insightful book about the mentality behind the Ukrainians that goes back centuries, and same with the Russians as well. and how they look at the Ukrainian war and their outlook. And it's alarming, it's shocking, it's eye-opening. It will make you really understand how important it is we fund the war in Ukraine so that we don't send bodies, American bodies, to that war effort when NATO becomes compromised. And it's just really an eye-opening book by a brilliant author who's covered a lot of wars, but this war is very personal for him because he grew up in Ukraine. So it's very different, and his outlook is very different because he can talk about the inside of the people. So if you want to talk about war, it's a great book to read. I highly recommend it. You can see all the great authors we have on the Chris Voss Show, from romance novels to politics to everything on the show we do.

1:22:13 You can subscribe to the podcast at chrisvoss.show. Thank you very much. Chris, thank you very much for the review. I just bought the book. I suspect quite a few members of World Channel just done the same. And back in all their chat last year, when it was a small private group, we had quite a few discussions in Ukraine room. And if I had to summarize it in a very short phrase, that summary was: if people think they have problems now with Ukraine funding, think about what problems they will have when 20 million Ukrainian military-aged males that are still in the country will be under Putin's rule and will be forced conscripted into Putin's armies and be deployed against actual NATO members. So what is happening today is preventing exactly that outcome as long as Ukraine keeps fighting. and by that i just mean like the original poster doesn't have to respond but anybody else could respond to a response yeah we have a solution in mind but it's going to take us a little bit to implement but you know what in the short term you can find a fishbowl conversation that you want to talk about you can grab the link to it and you can paste it in your own chit and then you and other people in your timeline can discuss it so that's already a way of kind of grabbing content and bring it out of a fishbowl. It doesn't have to be at the level of eyesight. The proper place for the light to land is to wash the wall with sconces or bouncing from the ceiling at angles or coming in from skylights or windows at slightly above head height. There's a book that I'm going to recommend and I can't recommend it highly enough. It's probably one of the top 20 books of all time and it's the one book in architecture that you absolutely need to own. In fact, it's the only book in architecture that you absolutely need to own. It's called A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander. And in there, you'll find everything you need to know from how to build your house, to how to build a town, to build a village, to decorate your bedroom, to position your dresser.

1:24:02 It's all in there. A Pattern Language was a book that came to me via Pete Kaminsky when we were starting Social Text. That book not only inspired a lot of social software and is a great resource for designing social spaces like this one, but it was also the basis of Ward Cunningham's original wiki. It was a community of people sharing patterns. My favorite is the intimacy gradient, again, from Pete. When you design buildings in the outside and in the foyer and in the lobby, you have very public spaces, public conversations. And then you get past the reception, you might get into the employee lunchroom or step aside into a conference room, again, when you're meeting people both publicly and privately. And then it gradiates to more and more private spaces all the way up to the executive washroom in the sky. And if you think about spaces, designing spaces like that, you have it here. So channels that you can view, uh, and be, but you have not joined yet. That's a lot like the pattern of a front porch where you can see and you can observe, but you have to be invited into that social space. Anyway, it's a great resource.

1:25:01 Everyone should at least thumb through it. Do any of the Fallout fans recognize this vault number? This is my license plate in my car. Um, it's not a vault that you can explore any of the games and it's, it would be really funny if they incorporate it into the show, but they probably won't. because it's pretty twisted. But just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if anybody knows what Vault 77 is without looking it up. It's an interesting one. Hey everyone, if you have a US or EU number, you no longer need an invite to sign up for AirChat. Please spread the word. Hi everybody, this is Brian Johnson. I'm sitting here with Naval, and I'm pretty excited about this new application he's built. It solves the problem of having real interesting conversations and not dealing with a bunch of noise and spam. Yes and no. The push, hold, talk, release does force you to be compact, but we've had a user who actually went as long as an hour, and now we have capped it at five minutes for brevity's sake. But the text out nature of this app makes it very easy to flip past replies that are too long and to consume easily.

1:25:58 This is the first popular AI first Twitter, just like Farcaster is crypto first Twitter. It's pretty interesting to see this. A couple years ago, I broke my neck surfing and passed out in the water. I would say that's probably the closest I've gotten at this point. Ouch. The beauty of Noster versus Farcaster is that in Noster, if you want to make a Noster app, you've just got to go pull up the list of nips. Each nip is a feature, and if you want that feature to be supported by your client, you've got to make sure that the JSON structure for that feature is supported by your client. There are development kits that you can follow for implementing these nips. But if you try to make a Farcaster app, if you try to make a competitor to Warpcast, you literally would have to dissect how they do every single thing in Warpcast so that you make sure that your client is compatible with theirs. Because if your client isn't, then all of the people using Warpcast won't be able to use your client seamlessly and the users might not be able to talk to each other or see all of each other's posts.

1:26:58 So in this way, Nostra has modularized their features by using the simplicity of JSON, which is human readable, and made each feature, just like in Bitcoin, how each new feature edition is a bit. This is a real Bology, I'm here on air chat, maybe Novel can reply to confirm it's me. Welcome to the new air chat, happy to see you here. This is a real Bology, I'm here on air chat, maybe Novel can reply to confirm it's me. Hello and welcome the original OG air chat people. I just wanted to test whether I can post here because some people were having a little bit of a trouble and I can happily delete this if somebody else wants to make the official announcement first. I built one room in a house that gets light from 13 distinct angles. Not 13 windows, a lot more than 13 windows and skylights, but 13 distinct angles into one room. What does that mean? That means no matter what time of day it is, if the sun is out, you can find a warm and cozy and sunlit spot in that room to curl up in. That is heaven.

1:27:56 I'm walking my dog now and I just realized something. So I live in Colombia and in here it's custom that if you're walking down the street and someone walks by you you both say hi to each other but hola is not the right word to use in that context because hola implies like either you know the person already kind of at least you've talked to them once or it just comes across as very informal especially if you're saying hi to an older person so the quote unquote right words to use are either you say buenos dias, buenas tardes, buenas noches, depending on the time of the day, or you just say buenas, which is short for any of those. And something I've noticed recently is that people don't really like that's a thing. They have to say hi to random strangers on the street. But so something they've been doing is that instead of saying the whole word like buenas they just make this sound like so the other person hears that there was like an ending sound to that word but they really didn't say the word it's just weird this made me laugh has anyone else tried a whisper flow for a mac os it's a new voice transcription app that is really nice. I got access yesterday, and I must say it stands out from the rest of them.

1:29:22 Check it out. But it's a free app, so you can easily check it out. And one awesome thing about the Whisper Flow app is that it's reformatting your text after you're done speaking. So if it detects that you're making a list, then it will create a list for you in a markdown format. And the same is true for other things as well. So I'm so excited right now. I just heard back from the Mises Institute about their Mises University 2024, and they selected me, which is incredible. It's a seven-day experience in Auburn, Alabama, and I get to hear from the Contemporary Masters in Austrian Economics, browse through Murray Rothbard's library, make new Liberty friends. It's going to be the best week of my life, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm so excited. This is the only university I need.

1:30:12 Congratulations. Amazing news. So I'm so excited right now. I just heard back from the Mises Institute about their Mises University 2024, and they selected me, which is incredible. It's a seven-day experience in Auburn, Alabama, and I get to hear from the Contemporary Masters in Austrian Economics, browse through Murray Rothbard's library, make new Liberty friends. It's going to be the best week of my life, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm so excited. This is the only university I need. Hey guys, any Python lovers here? I know it's a scripting language for many of you, but it's very easy for this syntax, and you can achieve decent things, even if it's not asynchronous. I know Zips loves Python, so I'm not sure whether he's a member, but I will tag him. It was incredibly difficult to implement, and it was probably the number one source of problems in the last app, so we're a little traumatized by it. May go back to it. Let's see.

1:31:07 The thing I wish would make it easier would be that the search could be somehow narrowed down, for example with times or with the users. So I would, for example, check my chits and search with some keywords, because now it's really painful to find some stuff. Are you staying at 160 because you're worried about Dunbar's number? Nah, just do what you want. Have you noticed that there's a slowdown on posts in the end of the week, and particularly in the last 24 hours? I haven't seen much content at all. and the depth of the feed goes really many hours back, meaning that there really isn't too many posts. I'm following close to 1K people and those who were active still earlier in the week are not active at all. So there's probably a lot of things. But what I also have noticed that when it's not peak time in the west coast of the US, there isn't that much content anyway.

1:31:58 So following quite many people is not a bad idea because your feed is completely empty otherwise. Oh Keith, you're gonna be hurting soon. Some time ago Max wanted to have Ukraine channel, but I'm not sure whether he still wants it. Good morning, I see Petri here. I'm gonna invite Sean. I'm not a vegan, I'm a regular vegetarian, but I promise to keep my eggs and cheese out of this channel. This will be exciting. Looking forward to all your recipes. Oops, that was wrong group.

1:32:58 Hello, thanks a lot man. I just tagged my friend, Mr. Baguette. And for the startup stuff, if you've got any plan of doing one, it will be super nice. And one more question. Are you planning in any way to allow companies to have their private channel? The more I use AirChat, the more I'm thinking, fuck, I'd like to have my own channel with my team. Like, you know, a kind of discord with voice. It will be super cool. I'm willing to pay. It can be a great way to monetize actually. provide private channel for teams. It would be nice. And even more if you can translate everything from one language to another, you can have an international team and make it easy. Yep, I just made it. And for your second question, my answer is just wait. The team is cooking. Just be patient and you will get something great. Just need a bit more time. If I have done my following right, I probably don't even need to follow you that much because the people I'm following are interacting with you.

1:34:01 And so in that way, you will pump up in my feed anyways. Not saying that I will not follow you, but I think isn't that the part of that. If there's like overlap between some people, you don't necessarily need to follow everyone because they will pump up to the feed. You will miss something, but you will not completely be gone. *cough* Kate. Hey, Archad support, do you think it's possible to create a French channel, please? C'est bon, le groupe a été créé. You mean who's following me or who I'm following? I want to nuke who I'm following and start over, that's for sure. Who's following me? Well, a lot of people were forced to autofollow me, which sucks. But there are people who genuinely want to follow me too. And I don't want them to suddenly be like, hey, Naval disappeared off the app, so I'm not sure what to do about the latter unless we have some kind of log of who was forced to autofollow. But even then, when they were forced to autofollow, some of those people wanted to. So how do we disambiguate? If I have done my following right, I probably don't even need to follow you that much because the people I'm following are interacting with you.

1:34:55 And so in that way, you will pump up in my feed anyways. Not saying that I will not follow you, but I think isn't that the part of that. If there's like overlap between some people, you don't necessarily need to follow everyone because they will pump up to the feed. You will miss something, but you will not completely be gone. I'm almost tempted to think there should be actual functionality deep in the setting somewhere. Like a spring cleaning of some kind. Nuke your photograph and only add the people you remember. I don't know. Naval, what do you think? Should this be an actual button? But on the other hand, you can also argue that they're invisible there, so no harm done. Maybe they pop up, maybe they're there and they're traveling or doing something else and then they come back. So in some sense, if they're not active, it doesn't really matter for you if they are just an unboundalist. Hey guys, welcome to your chat winery. This channel being created for people who would like to discuss the wine, share their thoughts, philosophy, their taste, you know, so can't wait to discover something new from you all. Будемо! Cheers! Post! Исайката! Лехаем! Салют! Саха!

1:36:04 Welcome. Let's go. AdChat and its founders and developers for letting me reconnect again with friends and people around the world who meant a lot to me back then when we were in Clubhouse. And we just connected again over here and we started talking in voicemails on WhatsApp as well and here as well. It is like back in the days. Of course, Clubhouse has laid the ground for a lot of friendships and relationships and workshops. So, AdChat, thank you for giving us that feeling back again, where we can appreciate those connections and reconnect with them again. I was talking to a guy in a cafe yesterday, and within 30 minutes, he bought The Beginning of Infinity. You don't need channels, you can just start talking and keep on adding, even after days, and this can become your channel. Here's an example Follow by Tom.

1:37:57 compass with your language is some regularity of the universe with some ideas that have reach. That means compressing your communication. Maxwell's equations are not a list of every single possible interaction of electrical and magnetic fields. They're four equations that obviate the need for the list. So I don't think you even understand what you're saying until you can figure out how to say it simply briefly in language that you can explain to a child. I'm sat here answering my YouTube comments and I'm thinking how much more wonderful it would be if YouTube comments were essentially air chat and you could hear the voice of the person posting and you could reply with your own voice and how much more real and beautiful that would be and how much less horror there would be out there. Now there's very little horror on my YouTube channel. My YouTube is famous for having the most wholesome comment section on the internet. Dr.

1:39:01 Jordan B. Peterson spoke about it at length in a number of podcasts, how amazed he was at the, at just the goodness and beauty and intelligence of the Akira the Don YouTube comment section. However, the point remains, air chatification of the internet would solve so many things and make it so much more beautiful. Good coffee morning. Hey Arjun, do we have a channel here about wine? Because I couldn't find it. But maybe we have it, but the name is not wine. Well, let's ask the AirChat channel team. Computer scientists, physicists, and mathematicians have the fastest energy return on investments of their time, I think, and the most frequent. I think people who work in chemistry, they infrequently can contribute, but when they do contribute, it's an insane yield on energy efficiency.

1:39:56 Kind of an interesting trade-off. Why would I ever go to a conference when I can do an air chat group or channel? I wouldn't. I'd just do an air chat group or channel and structure it somehow. Interview people in an air chat conversation. It's better than a podcast. You don't have to listen in real time, and people can participate and DM each other. Just a reminder, if someone you don't follow replies to you, your followers can't see their post until you interact with it. invite them in, in which case we know that you'll show them around, they'll have a good experience.

1:40:47 And then we hope to open up to the rest of the world shortly. So as usual, please keep inviting your friends in, please keep showing them around, they can download straight from the App Store and just sign up, or you can invite them through the app using the normal invitation system and then you get that sweet sweet invited by credit. Never be ashamed of your accent. I should be proud of it. It's fun to be an emoji username now, but wait later when there are 100 million people here and and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are. Maybe you are Bucket. If you're thinking of changing your name for an emoji, maybe this will change your mind. All right, so I did the only thing I could do after I finished watching the Fallout series. I turned around and started watching it again. And I got to tell you, surprisingly, it's just as much fun, because there's all these little Easter eggs hidden in there.

1:41:37 And now that you know the story, now that you know it's going, You kind of like are spending your time finding them and there's so much. I'm really enjoying it. Of course, now I'm like worried what happens when it ends the second time. What am I going to watch then? Or do I just lather, rinse and repeat? Max, you need to help me. Tips. I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Hey, Pietri. I listened to this. Man, this is gold. This is pure gold. I don't know why she's awesome and her voice is so calming. Like, listening to her is so calming and her music is just magical. Well, thank you for sharing it. It's like you knew I was going to enjoy it and I definitely enjoyed it. Thanks, Petri.

1:42:24 Thanks, man. Yes, Antonio's website. Antonio used to be playing in London, New York, and different places. And sometimes I remember the artist who just met, they just figured out that, hey, we've been playing in the same places. And obviously they know the same people. Sips, I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Yeah, that's what I just saw on her Instagram. Yeah, the YouTube channel looks amazing. I'm going to have a look at that. But don't get me wrong. An algorithmic suggested follows would be super dope. Oh, you're doing it absolutely right. I think people just want to jump to the endgame. They just want to say, hey, tell me exactly who I should be talking to and listening to. And it's not that simple. You're complicated. you're creative. How are we going to figure out who you should be talking to and listening to? I mean, we can help a little bit, but really the best way, at least with the current technology, is just find out who the people you already like talking and listening to are talking to and listening to. And every truth-seeking algorithm works exactly as you described, variation and selection. Look for variety and then select what you want to survive. If you feel it's getting a little bit too boring at the moment and there's no good content, here you can find all the yapping I did in the previous version. This would be a few hours of entertainment or whatnot if you're inclined and bored. This was all Andrew. Also shout out Andrew on his first ship I guess you could call it. It's amazing when you join a team and hit prod that quick. Well done. It's fun to be an emoji username now but wait later when there are 100 million people here and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are. Maybe you are a bucket. But also I'm secretly hoping for AirChat to completely destroy my phone and wreck the battery and just make my phone completely explode so that I can claim insurance and then maybe get the new iPhone 16 by the time it comes out. So that's my evil plan. I'm just planting the seeds with the plant emoji. It's fun to be an emoji username now, but wait later when there are 100 million people here and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are, maybe you are

1:44:35 a bucket. But my wild guess is that you are going to places, you're going to see things you cannot even imagine. When you are everyone, are you really anyone and does nobody remember you afterwards? The easiest answer is start meditating so you can just quiet your mind and there's no everyone anymore. Just a moment. Enjoy the silence. Welcome to ZomboCom. Show me your Friday workstation. Please excuse the dust, but this is my workstation. I work from home. I have a standing desk converter that I really enjoy using. Sayste, hot search. That's great, I love it. Hashtags came out of Twitter. Is airtag creating Emotions names.

1:45:52 A person is a person with a personality. You have a character, you have ideas, you have knowledge in particular. So you Nivy have a preference for tea or coffee or some other drink. So when presented with that choice, you tend to make that choice over and over again. If you're the kind of person who enjoys coffee, then not only do you enjoy coffee in this universe, but in the overwhelming majority of universes, do you enjoy coffee? In universes where you begin to enjoy tea, then it becomes a philosophical question as to whether or not that's really Nivy or a completely different person who happens to share a lot of attributes with you. But in those universes, the fungible universes, where you always do what you do in this universe, then that is definitely you. You are your fungible instances. In universes where you're ever so slightly different, where some of your preferences are ever so slightly different, you might still tend to choose coffee in almost all cases. But, for example, you prefer wearing red shirts over white shirts or something like that. So this gets more into philosophy than into physics, but there is a way of trying to square the two ideas, the nature of personhood and what is happening in the multiverse. And I've tried to do that in various places, one of which is that episode of Topcast that I call The Nexus.

1:46:51 I tried to make a snippet out of the same chapter from the San Carlos book, and it's basically the same thing. So you tend to do the same decisions, so it's not equally distributed. So in that sense, other decisions are not available there, but it's a little bit hard to make a snippet here because he's more verbose and it doesn't exactly match. So I recommend if anybody's interested, just take it directly from the lecture 22 from the book I gave the link earlier on. Hey, I haven't seen this done yet, and I'm not going to roll a web page for it. But if you know of any one emoji profiles or a hashtag profile, feel free to come in and drop them on the spreadsheet. You can edit it. Only thing is, don't cut somebody out unless they've changed it and it's not accurate anymore. Otherwise, you're going to make me actually roll some kind of web page or something. And you don't want to make me do that.

1:47:39 I don't want to do that. But you don't want to make me do that. I think the quantum multiverse turns the search for an explanation for free will into the problem of understanding how decision-making or knowledge creation can create branches in the multiverse. So an electron flying off an atom or not flying off of an atom with 50-50 probability will create, call it, two branches in the multiverse with equal probability. But how does the creation of knowledge, which is a willful act, or a decision to turn left instead of right, create branches in the multiverse. of physics. What do we mean when we use words like decisions or choices? Decisions and choices and their consequences are useful concepts when we are talking about things at the macroscopic human-sized level. It's perfectly okay to think of choices as really existing and making a difference, as long as we can find such talk to the regime in which they apply. Choices in your life really exist, but they exist in the same way that tables and chairs really exist.

1:49:10 Thanks for the reference and the criticism. I don't think Sean is correct. Knowledge does create branches in the universe. Decisions do create branches in the universe. Decisions are just another form of knowledge. We don't know the mechanism for how that happens, but if you believe we can make decisions and create knowledge, then you should conclude that they can create branches in the universe. They can even form crystals across universes that don't have much in common because at least true knowledge has the ability to stay instantiated because it's useful. I should say useful knowledge instead of true knowledge. So useful knowledge can be discovered in universes that don't have much connection to each other and stay instantiated in those universes. David Deutsch calls that a crystal of knowledge. Maybe Brett can come in and clarify for both of us if he has time.

1:50:17 Yes, our innovation was deleting the old code base, throwing out everything we thought we knew about how to build an audio social product and starting over from scratch. There's a quote I'm reminded of that goes something like, for the simplicity on this side of complexity, I wouldn't give you a fig. But for the simplicity on the other side of complexity, for that, I would give you everything I have. It's a byproduct of what you and the team have done so well here, which is to incentivize people being authentic. When I think about authenticity, I think the consistency between the internal values somebody has and how they express those externally. So in a channel, you have a comfort in knowing that people in that channel largely have the same internal values you have. And so then in terms of expressing yourself externally, it becomes fairly easy and fairly attractive to do so. I would also add that channels provide the opportunity for people to conform to social norms that they used to.

1:51:08 So in terms of acronyms, in terms of specific phrases, in terms of particular lingo or behaviors. So if you look at potentially people who own pets, for example, you see this in the dog and the cat channels. If you think about Bitcoin and crypto channels, there's a certain level of assumed knowledge in those channels and ways of speaking and phrases. And so people then feel, again, comfortable and there's a strong incentive to engage in those channels compared to the main feed, which if you create it right, yes, you can get the content you're interested in. And mine certainly reflects that. But channels just provides that more intimate setting for people to express those particular social norms. because on one hand i don't think we've seen a world like this and i think that robots that are capable of farming and building houses for basically free are on the horizon with solar energy hypothetically right maybe in a few decades it seems possible but on the other hand humans will find a way to fight over anything so i'm wondering what you guys think yeah we got in there incremental chains and a lot of things already have been improved over the last 100 150 200 years if you compare the we even have pictures from what the world looked like in the end of 90th century then they had electricity already, there was a plumbing, there were a lot of things already in place, so it didn't look that much different. There was also electric cars, not that many, but they were there, so the city life didn't look that much different what we have now. So in that sense, yeah, incremental change is also the way to go, unless we find something better. One big difference from then is that now we have computers and the internet, which is literally earth society changing technology, and hopefully robotics and cheap solar panels in the future, or yeah, maybe fusion, that'd help a lot, right? These are the things I'm super excited about. It's nice to think them as compressed versions of Wikipedia or the current internet, the public internet. If we can get the data accuracy and quotations and all these in a proper level and there's no hallucination, that would be a brilliant package to also download to or put it in your pocket when you're in Mars or in some other places. So new Wikipedia in a way. Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diminish them as simply nothing but mapped idea spaces. The fact that these are hugely, like a very high dimension idea spaces that contain vast amounts of information and knowledge is significant.

1:53:13 I don't think that any particular mapped idea space is capable of generating truly novel information, but it is capable of generating things that kind of look like new information because it's novel arrangements of things that are already within the mapped idea space. But it doesn't have any capability to reach outside of what's been mapped into it and generate, you know, something entirely novel. Maybe if we figure out how humans actually do that, we'll be able to imbue machines with the ability to do so. But I don't see that really happening right now, at least. That's not where we're at. I think my main reaction would be, I hope not. But on the other hand, I also don't want to, like, especially when I'm, like, this afternoon or this morning, I was in a cafe. And just, if you want to interact with anyone on AirChat, it needs to be at least understandable, or at least not annoying. And especially, I've noticed that my AirPods are so bad, especially in this context, that it sort of prevents me from actually making a reply. Having said that, I hope this doesn't diverge into having your professional audio equipment as a requirement, because it's sort of like, I like the fact that it's so ad hoc and you just throw it out there.

1:54:11 It's more the issue that if your audio interface is not actually designed to be plugged in. All the information that is in these AIs right now, or these poorly named natural language computers and databases comes from things you can already find on Google. It is just reformatted and restructured. There is nothing that you can get out of an AI right now that you couldn't get out of a Google search and some basic calculations. So we're not enabling anything yet. As for AGI itself, it's entirely hypothetical. Entirely. We don't know yet how to get there. So until we get there, I do not see that it is worth to forbid the free exercise of mathematics and reason and logic, which are literally the last free domains that we have left. It is an incredibly poor justification to create a regime of thought control that is worse than anything we've ever seen to date. It's nice to think of them as compressed versions of Wikipedia or the current internet, the public internet. If we can get the data accuracy and quotations and all these in a proper level and there's no hallucination, that would be a brilliant package to also download or put it in your pocket when you're in Mars or in some other places.

1:55:13 So new Wikipedia in a way. What about the side of abuse of this though, right? Because if you have just an open source model, anybody can use that. It also lent itself to very easily being abused, especially by people that are less informed on what's currently available. Now, personally, I'm still all for open sourcing everything. But, you know, I'm super biased when it comes to this. So I'm just kind of wondering that perspective. All the information that is in these AIs right now, or these poorly named natural language computers and databases, comes from things you can already find on Google. It is just reformated and restructured. There is nothing that you can get out of an AI right now that you couldn't get out of a Google search and some basic calculations. So we're not enabling anything yet. As for AGI itself, it's entirely hypothetical. Entirely. We don't know yet how to get there. So until we get there, I do not see that it is worth to forbid the free exercise of mathematics and reason and logic, which are literally the last free domains that we have left. It is an incredibly poor justification to create a regime of thought control that is worse than anything we've ever seen to date. Hey, Brian and then of all, I stumbled upon the old air chat from several months ago on my old phone today.

1:56:13 And I'm really curious if you all would be able to share the iteration process you all went through to get to the version that we're using today, which has a much lighter weight UI. It is a lot less anxiety inducing and it's a lot easier to get started. I'm going to attach a screenshot here from what I found on my old phone. And the contrast is very, very strong. I've been very impressed by the work here. Yes, our innovation was deleting the old code base, throwing out everything we thought we knew about how to build an audio social product, and starting over from scratch. Yeah, I mean, I don't... They're just trying to act effectively. I don't think that companies being greedy is necessarily evil. More so, it's just the idea of somebody thinking that there will be an economy post-AGI is crazy. There's no way.

1:57:00 There's no way, right? Like, dude, post-AGI that's like an unknown... Like real AGI, dude? Like actual people as an API? Like really, dude? We're still going to be buying and selling crap? Well, we already have AGI. It's called humans. So I don't know how another human would necessarily change something. Yes, there's like the whole theory of like infinite, you know, growth and super intelligence, but that's a different argument. I think the growth of knowledge is path dependent and requires resources and time and iteration. And an AGI may be able to shortcut certain things and be worse at other things. But at the end of the day, it'll be a tool or a peer. There is nothing an AGI can understand that a human is not capable of understanding. And that comes directly from the laws of computation, as far as we best understand them today. So I'm not worried about it. I don't think AGI, even an AGI, if we were to be on a path to creating one, would lead to immediately some kind of a post-economic economy. Okay, I give up.

1:57:50 I think our chat is just my new job. So my first question is, what did you have to unlearn first to build great product? to stop spending so much time before first releasing it. I think I tried multiple times, and the thing that succeeds is probably the thing that I spent the least effort in and just chucked out there, and then learned and iterated. I spent so much time initially perfecting it, both in design and code and all of that stuff, and it wasn't worth it. Cameron, you might get a kick out of this. Unity is a very sad thing to work with. This does not give me a kick. It gives me... it gives me a punch. Time spent in unity is not a life well lived. Okay, I definitely have something that needs to be fixed in the transcription.

1:58:39 I live with many, many, many, many, many, many Vietnamese people, because my partner is Vietnamese, and of course all their friends are here all the time. And the transcription doesn't translate or transcribe "oi zoi oi" properly. And since this has become my stop word of choice, I am now struggling. Oh, it did it! That's exactly right. All the people who want AI to summarize a conversation don't realize that AI is actually pretty bad at it. Modern AIs are good at extrapolating. They're not good at figuring out what the core part is and summarizing it because that requires true understanding. It's much easier just to pull down and skim a conversation than it is to have some AI generated summary, which sounds awfully generic. The summarization is also probably partly coming from the perspective that there's some kind of an absolute truth or some kind of a center of truth and what is important and what is not important and what the whole thing is about. And that's quite a lot of subjective matter.

1:59:30 I think it's also motivated reasoning. It's a fear of change. It's a longing for security and stability. And that's why I think this kind of attitude is generally found more in older people than in younger people. For the younger generations, there's also the optimism. And if the times are not pretty optimistic, like probably at the moment, that can also affect the way they see the world. Even though fundamentally there's nothing wrong and they are the young people. But I think the eras and times also affect at least some person of the population. And what about the ones who are not so young? I mean, in our mid-30s or even people who are in their mid-40s, what do you suggest, Naval? We were asking from a person who in his 50s is building the new social media paradigm. it actually kind of reminds me a lot of times when you're like working on a problem it genuinely feels like there's no answer and you're wasting your time even thinking about it and then also at that moment you feel just like that until the solution immediately comes to you and then you're like oh there was a solution all along that's like something that happens on an individual basis a lot it feels like when i hear about in history and even now people are saying there's no more new good ideas and progress has ended it's like that being stumped by a question on a test or something like that, but happening at scale.

2:00:41 It usually takes an individual or two to go completely in something different, and that opens the new avenues. It's like there have been these coastlines in sports where, like, the magic numbers, nobody believed that you can break them, and then somebody does that, and then it becomes like a regular thing. It's the same thing here. A lot of people are trying to do the same thing, so just improving or just bending their head towards one direction. And then somebody just, either by accident or by some other means, just do something completely bonkers, and it works, and voila, the new avenue is open. This photo broke the internet this morning. Are we back in the 16s or is this 70s? I would answer this question, but I wasn't alive back then. Perhaps it's not equal voice, it's equal playing ground to get your voice heard. Yeah, that's better. Exactly, that's the difference between the old legacy social media and the decentralized media, where there's no algo. And it's the responsibility of the users to boost and make the content available to other people.

2:01:37 If you find it valuable, reboost it, reply. Those are the ways for others to see it. And that's completely the difference. And I think it's nice that the responsibility of having a nice and good content network is distributed among its members. Yeah, we were struggling a little bit with this, like with the work version of this, as we grew from just a smaller company to something, well, rather large. Then how do you give the sort of like the new people flowing in a similar opportunity as the old guard? Yeah, it was very interesting and still learning. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of people who've been talking like two years. Imagine being two years all alone and, well, suddenly there's one person playing and then they're gone and the next one. And how to be perky? Because the person who comes in, you always have to be in your best behavior because, you know, who wants to watch something which is not the nicest. So, yeah, you have to do it for other reasons.

2:02:26 But I also noticed that if you're playing, for example, some game or something, do you really want to be in the broadcasting mode or do you actually want to be in the end zone gaming mode? And seldom did you really match. right to make an analogy it would be almost like um in writing papers like if we imagine that if you if you wrote a paper and then after like a month or two if there were no citations it would just get deleted forever right like so you have nothing to kind of build your uh you know resume on or something like that um yeah that would be pretty uh you know dispiriting i don't think i could ever be a streamer as like a career you know like maybe it's just like something for fun to hang out with people but i don't think i could do it that way plato had some interesting ideas and many philosophers say that all of philosophy is footnotes to Plato. I like to say that all of philosophy since Plato has been corrections to Plato. So one thing that Plato thought was that in our spiritual form, we know the absolute truth about everything. And when we're born into this imperfect world, what we do is we gradually remember the truth. The parable of the cave is that we can never get access to this truth. Now, there's a sense in which this is correct, But it's also misleading. It says that there's nothing objective that we can come to understand about the world because there's no way of testing our ideas against the real world. We don't have access to the real world, but we do. What science is about is conjecturing ideas, which can always be false, against reality. Reality exists, and when we do an experiment, we're doing an experiment to test our ideas against reality. Now, there are some complexities here when we're doing a test that is also a conjecture. We have a conjecture about or an idea about how the experiment works, But first pass approximation is good here.

2:04:00 We can get to an understanding of actual reality, an understanding of. But the understanding itself is fallible. It's not final. And so I think Plato didn't quite understand that. Just to linger on Plato's cave thought experiment for a moment. And I think it's wonderful and creative. He was the first to get there. And I give him great credit because a lot of people have come along since and basically copied his central idea that we might be deceived about the nature of reality. because we're trapped in the equivalent of a cave and only seeing the shadows cast upon the wall. Although there's truth in this, it's also misleading, as I've said. But many people have stolen this idea, passing it off as their own, more or less. One of the first was Descartes, also a genius, and I don't want to call him a thief, but his idea that there was absolutely nothing we could doubt except our own existence, rested upon a very similar thought experiment.

2:04:48 He said that a malevolent demon, almost all-powerful, could be deceiving you at every moment about the nature of reality. You could be dreaming, in other words. And this idea that you could always be dreaming and you can't rule out the fact that you might be dreaming has been carried on through to today. Movies like The Matrix or any number of science fiction movies are based upon this premise, that reality as we see it could be a complete deception, that all of our science and our understanding and our knowledge is completely flawed because we're just dreaming it all. And then once technology arrived on the scene, and in fact, once you had computers, people then started saying things like, well, it could all be a simulation. And then Nick Bostrom said that more likely than not, we're in a simulation because, In the future, human beings are going to create simulated worlds, and inside those simulated worlds, people will create more simulated worlds, and so on it goes. So on the balance of probabilities, you have to expect that you're living in a simulated world. This is the same kind of idea that Plato had two and a half thousand years ago, that you just might be being deceived about the ultimate nature of reality. What I want to say about all of this is that it doesn't get us anywhere. It doesn't allow us to make progress. Progress means solving our problems here and now, to understand the world. And if indeed it is a simulation, who cares? I want to know on what kind of computer this simulation is running and where it is. That's the purpose of reason and science. But it's all beside the point for me anyway, because as a realist, I just begin with the assumption that science, mathematics, philosophy, our reason can help us to solve our problems and improve our position. It makes absolutely no difference to me if there's an unprovable God out there, or a demon deceiving us, or a cave we're trapped in, or a simulation inside of a simulation. All of these thought experiments are pointless navel-gazing. They're not actually science, and they're not, ultimately speaking, even interesting philosophy, because what I regard as interesting philosophy is philosophy that solves a problem. So when you put forth Plato or Nick Bostrom or anyone else, these ideas about the ultimate nature of reality, all I want to ask them is, what problem are they trying to solve?

2:06:48 Yeah, true, you're right. But I guess that only applies that when you already have your following. I wonder how long it feels like talking to the void in the beginning phases. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of people who've been talking like two years. Imagine being two years all alone and, well, suddenly there's one person playing and then they're gone and the next one. And how to be perky? Because the person who comes in, you always have to be in your best behavior because, you know, who wants to watch something which is not the nicest. So, yeah, you have to do it for other reasons. But I also notice that if you're playing, for example, some game or something, do you really want to be in the broadcasting mode or do you actually really want to be in the end zone gaming mode? And seldom did you really match... It's what, 2am there in PSD? I see that you're not joking when Arjun posted about AirChat having no work-life balance, but it's for the good of the app and the team and your own livelihood, right? You gotta do what you gotta do. I work and I live my life at the same time. I don't believe in balance.

2:07:43 I think it's so amazing that it's sort of obvious and it doesn't work, though I do think some people are very good at reading things aloud and will eventually not be able to tell. But still, for now, it's cool to see. yeah and you make it fun for yourself because you're variating and you're changing stuff and keeping it interesting for yourself so you're exactly refining it and maybe just changing something but you notice that it's hitting and hitting and it's getting better and better because you get the responses quicker yeah that's the fun part yeah i think this is my struggle with youtube it feels like talking to the void i cannot imagine how like the twitch streamers do it they are like um they're very entertaining and i actually love watching them but how can you like talk for like four hours to your screen and still continue to be entertaining wow it's a it's a Okay, I don't want to flex, but I have to be the worst one here, right? Yeah, you're probably the worst one here.

2:08:32 Well, it is a nice idea if you obviously closely know that person and you just want to hear their voice and get a little bit of her comfort by their presence, even though they're not there. And even though you know that they're not going to give you the new jokes or the new stuff, but it's still better than just flipping the photo album or just seeing or hearing the voice or seeing the videos which are always the same. AI LLM can give a little bit of a variety which makes it more realistic. I see. So let the natural grieving stages take their place and play themselves out. And then once you've gone through that, you can see those memories from a new light in a way that is healthy. I guess there would be a temptation during the grieving process to go back and hang on to those videos and audio files or images and that might be a very tough process or a very tough thing to resist I also always wonder yeah like what is the right way to do that I've never actually talked to someone about this before what is the correct way to grieve I know my grandma has a picture of her deceased husband, my grandfather, on her bedside table and has ever since he died.

2:09:51 And sometimes I wonder, man, how is that to start your day? Wouldn't it, you know, you look over and the person you shared your whole life with, you're reminded they're not with you anymore? Or maybe it brings her peace and she feels like he is with her. I don't know. There's a balance of trying to escape reality and be in it and maybe maybe having a picture by your bed can bring you closer to reality but also maybe it can cause you to construct things in your mind like a belief that that person is still around once that's already more than 10 years ago a friend of mine died and we were working intensely together and I got to know him but he was already pretty old and when I got to know him and what I did was actually quite nice at the time I made a tv series well it wasn't a series it was a part of a series a one episode I guess is the way to say about him because he was he had done quite a lot of stuff and he know quite a lot of people and in all levels of society people still remembered him what he did maybe 40 years before and it was actually a fun project because I got to know a lot of other people. I got to talk about him. I learned about him. And I noticed that the qualities and the impact he had was just remarkable because those people didn't have any reason to talk and do those things unless they really generally meant that. And because it was a self-funded project, some of these factory floor workers at the time who were already probably already retired, they were also donating money for the project. And then finally it came out on national TV. So that was a really nice way of remembering my friend, and that was pretty close to maybe within a year when he died. So that was, I think, a really nice way to do it. But everybody's different, and everybody has their different ways, and I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do it.

2:11:45 Thanks, Tim. I wish I could find a way of pronouncing the name of my podcast so that Air Chat would get it right. let me see tockcast and if that doesn't work it's t-o-k-c-a-s-t for anyone following and i noticed this thread i'm having a lot of trouble keeping up with the threads here on air chat at the moment which is a wonderful thing you know i would call it a a too much wealth of knowledge going on here at the moment there's an abundance of people to engage with but anyone interested in this idea of time sam kuypers who's here on air chat somewhere the physicist specializes in the quantum theory of time. There have been a number of theories of time over the years. David Deutsch explains some of this in The Fabric of Reality, and I've been making my way through what rather I'm up to. I think it's chapter 11 now. Time, the first quantum concept from The Fabric of Reality. But if you're interested in the work of David Deutsch generally, of course, yes, go to my podcast. I'll provide a link to my most recent episode, because my most recent episode basically contains our most recent best understanding of what time is. When I say our, I mean the community of physicists who understand both general relativity, either to our best explanation of space-time, time emerges out of that, and quantum theory. And there is a unification of quantum theory and general relativity in this one narrow area by a couple of physicists called Page and Wooters. And Sam Kuypas has done a little bit more work on this particular area, and he calls the unification of quantum theory and relativity here modest, but it is very interesting. So I'll drop the link here, and feel free to ask me questions about it, and maybe we can get Sam in here to talk about it. And yes, my podcast generally deals with the work of David Deutsch, and as I like to say, associated thinkers.

2:13:20 Partly, your episode already answered this one, which I dropped some days ago. There's two senses of this word objective that I think people confuse sometimes. The two senses are that truth exists, and therefore it's possible for you to be wrong. There's an objectivity to that. It's not a mere matter of opinion, subjective in other words, but objectively speaking, you could be wrong. That's one version of objective. The other version of objective is that things can exist in objects. So for example, objective knowledge. It can be put into books. It can be put into telescopes. It can be put into people's minds. These are objects out there in the world that we can talk about. Two senses of objective. Who wants to be part of an early alpha for For You Feed? Reply to this if you're interested and I'll DM you. You know, in some sense, you are correct because when it is so clear and overt and everyone using the platform is like very obvious about the fact that they're gaming an airdrop and that's why they're there then you know that is a genuine interaction that's happening they're not hiding their intentions or at least not well so in that sense it is genuine but those are not creating strong social bonds that you would want from a real community or social network it's transactional by nature then it strikes me that some of the other platforms, TikTok particularly, people aren't creating content that's true to them. They're creating content that they know a lot of people will watch. I hesitate to use the word enjoy, but people create content that a lot of people will watch because that helps with the financialization. There's an awful lot of very, very repetitive content over there because people know that it will be popular, because people know that that will help with them monetizing their appearance on the platform. I think and I hope that this platform remains true to people actually having conversations. That might be a vain hope. Yeah, I think TikTok is the epitome of destructive social media. This is a thread of the previous AirChat rooms I was having, and when you click the link, it will open in a browser. And if you want to go to the beginning

2:15:27 of the room. Usually if it's a long room it doesn't go to the beginning when you click it. Find the bookmark or the booklet, book icon and then you just keep on scrolling till you find the beginning and if you click that then you're in the beginning of the room. Who am I? Yeah unfortunately I have to agree to that. I think of Farcaster as a game more than social media. You can do many kinds of of stuff there, even grid frames, cast actions, farm degen. It's more like a game to me. Yeah, I get it, and I'm glad you're having fun, and that's cool. I've seen this movie a few times, so I know how it ends, and I'm sure you'll be fine, but I don't think that far caster will be. There are two types of people here. Those who want to have a conversation, and those who don't. Thank you, Petri. And I think I understand you now. It's almost like a flat, structured app whereby peer-to-peer and there's no hierarchy of conversation. Yeah, I really get it now, thank you, and I guess I will not vote back in joining conversations from now on. And I hope I pronounced your name right because I realized that it's a Finnish name and I'm really bad with the R pronunciation. Excellent, yeah, you pronounced it properly. And here is Dali, well, version of the same.

2:16:44 Codesits are wormholes to another time and place, but in conversations. Link looping, the act of clicking an AirChat link within the app and landing on a completely new discussion. There are two types of people here, those who want to have a conversation and those who don't. I think it's perfectly okay to just lurk around and listen to other people have conversations. It's not necessary that if you are on this app, you have to have conversations. I spend close to two hours on this app, and I post around two to three messages. So most of the time, I'm also just listening to other people's conversations, and I learn a lot. Nothing wrong with lurking. There are two types of people here. Those who want to have a conversation, and those who don't.

2:17:34 Yeah, 100%. In the beginning, I was really fussing about it, and now I just throw it out there. But it's also a testament to how good the description is, that I don't really feel the need to double-check it every time. It's fine. and the errors it will make, if at all, are usually funny or they don't matter. Yeah, this is audio first, so people should always check the voice version if they are in doubt. Finally turning in my PhD thesis tomorrow. Wish me luck, guys. I think I'll just order a backpack full of spare batteries and just commit to walking around with, well, a cable in. If you have an iPad, the battery is better, so that way you can extend and maybe switch devices when needed. Yeah, that's a good tip. Actually, yesterday I used it on the Vision Pro, and it's a really nice experience. The audio is very cool. It's like actually listening and sitting next to someone. But ideally, I just run it as an amp on my laptop next to everything else I'm doing. Well, actually, I won't be doing anything else. I'm just listening, but still.

2:18:27 Am I weird if the Kung Fu Panda soundtrack makes me cry? Wait, wait, I'll post it. Just see. Just listen to it and tell me you're not shedding a tear. Come on! Kung Fu Panda 1 and Kung Fu Panda 2 are two of my absolute favorite movies. I've watched them so many times. So beautiful. So funny. So much heart. And just beautifully woven wisdom. No cliche. Which is actually rare in these kind of movies. It's not cliche. It is just beautiful. Goofoo Panda 2. Just how he was able to come to terms with his past and let go. Oh my god. My jaw dropped. I wanted to go find those screenwriters and just hug them. I was blown away. I love those two movies. Trust Pilot is an evil company. How ironic. The Pilot failed. The secret to audio quality on AirChat is: EarPods. Old-fashioned Apple white cable EarPods. You nailed it and the cord, the cable is the keyboard here. If you have AirPod Pros, throw them away. They don't have a mic. You cannot even call it a mic. Don't use it, even for the phone calls.

2:19:30 You must buy Walt Isaacson is worth checking out. I think at the very least it triggered in me that It's easy to get sort of biased by the perception of someone and to keep searching for alternative viewpoints. So, yeah, when I picked up the book, I really wasn't a fan. And I'm not quite sure if I'm a super fan, but at least I really value him as a person and his role and what he's trying to do. In the spirit of every social media marketing manager right now having a play with Mark Zuckerberg's avatar and updating his face and his hair, I thought I would start here with our very own Mr. Brian Norgard. No, seriously, it's a nice picture, and Brian looks good, so we have nothing to be afraid of or worried. I hope not. Did you check your tone was cheerful? Oh, yeah, it was, so there's nothing to worry about. It's a free speed platform.

2:20:19 Plus one on this, Petrie, you are a phenomenal synthesizer of information. I find myself going to just look at your feed and able to get up to date on what's going on with AirChat and just a bunch of other things and the way you break down things so simple and concise. I really enjoy it. Both have a good size. This is more like a sit-chatting, a Twitter type of come back and forth. And it's easier for new users to hop on board and start to do things and start talking. So the previous one was a bit more, well, Naval, I think, used the word performative. Well, you can certainly do that. But yeah, it was more difficult if you want to jump into a discussion. I think this is way better here. So there's no interruption in a way. And in the room concept, it was more, well, it was a bigger thing if somebody was going to reply and have to think whether you bump it up.

2:21:05 and it was the main timeline, which was also a bit clunky and difficult to use. And also the clips started to become like the thing. So if you have a really good room, then you need to market it and become like a second part-time job. So I think this is better altogether, but I do miss some of the features and some of the focalness of the rooms where you can really focus on something and it's easy to find and it's easy to check. So there are sides, but I think they're going to implement some of the best parts here. We just have to be a little bit more patient. I don't think there's an algorithm. I think it's just whatever came up first. That's the last thing on, like a standard thing. The follow thing is going to hurt you. There's like 80,000 people here. So if you're only waiting for the first 81 that you've met since you've been here, that is going to make your feed a little slower. But Bunny posts a lot, right?

2:21:53 So does Lucas. What you could do, if you type in Ryan, at last count, I think there's 7,000 Ryans. So you could just get a feed full of Ryans all day long. That's essentially what my feed is like. So you could do that. you'll have to start over again because we're getting rid of all those fucking Ryans. It's just too many fucking Ryans. We're sending them back to where they came from. And they're, well, we'll keep their tilt back because it turns out that's pretty good. Anyway, so you can follow the 8,000, 8 to 10,000 Ryans or whatever by this point, or consider adding a few other names. But Lucas and Bonnie, I feel like they're kind of, I think if you do that and the, ooh, follow the Avatar guy. He's always, it's really cool. It's always something there. That's what I'd say. The alcohol is that's the reverse Krona order. That's the thing. It's reverse chrono. That's not a thing. That's not an algorithm. That's just like it comes in, you write it down, the next thing comes in, you write that above it. That's not an algorithm. That's like these machine learning AI startups. It's like just a fucking decision tree. Anyway, it's not even an algorithm. And what is up with all these terms of service people? Jesus fucking Christ. Just who's reading the terms of service? Besides Bloomberg, I guess. Because that makes sense. Anyway, it's fine. Fake plants are better than real plants.

2:23:02 Are those holop plants you see via some Vision Pro or some other future gadgets, or are they like those regular plastic thingies? Yeah, again, I think if I go into a room marked Keith, that's pretty much it for me. You never hear from me again, or some other multiverse Keith comes out. So I'm not going to do that. Last time I did that, you guys didn't see me for like a month. But I'll be in Petri's channel, and it looks like there's cool channels. I don't know if I'm going to go in any of the rooms, to be honest. It's been dicey for me for a while. But I'll see you in Petri's room. Mainly, I'm just glad you're back. I don't know if you've been here. There's like 80,000 people here. Maybe we're just at different bars, but it's nice to see you. I missed you. Oh, did you ever make the aloo prata? Yeah, Keith, I've been actually... Well, I can just pause due to my track record. Well, probably I don't want to put it here, bump it up. But yeah, I've been here quite a lot, too much.

2:23:50 But it's probably the time zones. You're sleeping while I'm here. And I was just thinking about this idea that with AI, you can literally talk to someone who is dead. just think about that. You never could really do that before. Well, it is a nice idea if you obviously closely know that person and you just want to hear their voice and get a little bit of her comfort by their presence even though they're not there. And even though you know that they're not going to give you the new jokes or the new stuff, but it's still better than just flipping the photo album or just hearing the voice or seeing the videos, which are always the same. AI LLM can give a little bit of a variety, makes it more realistic. just hide from Nival. And when he's sleeping, I'm Rutger Hauer. He's Michelle Pfeiffer. So when he's sleeping, I'm Rutger Hauer during the day, mainly. And I just go hang out with people. There's been Toad Venom. Emojis are doing it. So you've heard all this stuff. Yeah, I honestly, I really love it.

2:25:17 I have a whole thing behind it. I know why I'm doing it and whatnot. So that's different. But as an experience, it's fucking amazing. I'll tell you the truth. I found this happening to myself too, not realizing which group I'm in once I'm in it. Because when you're in the main feed, you can, it's really called out that you're in a group, but when you're in the group, it just looks like a main feed. The only way you can see is that before you post anything, and it's empty the box, it says in which group you are, but it's quite hidden. I've done the same as well. Alex, it is so good to hear your voice, you know, being connected on social media for so long. It is really, really refreshing to hear you well, and not only read you. Yeah, I loved the previous version where you could have the rooms sort of more dedicated to some type of topics. I don't know, maybe here highlighting some of the threats, if I start to do threats, would help.

2:26:05 Because it's really a chaos, and I wouldn't expect anyone to go through everything. I just reply to some random chits. So yeah, we need a more organized way of putting things together. I have to think about it. One particular channel might be also a little bit limiting as well. But because I'm already a channel in a way, everybody's a channel, but maybe the highlighting is the best way I had to go. Unless somebody else has better ideas. legends about you, wondering why are you always ordering Brussels sprouts? And I don't really have an epic story, it's just I like the Brussels sprouts, and it goes as a great side to anything. And so anyway, that's my fun little story.

2:27:08 I still think that my best headshot is these ones. These are not definitely done for, noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they're actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. and there's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level. And you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier, when they still did proper productions and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time. It really is. I mean, I had a pair of the Sennheiser 800s, and I loved them so much, and I left him down in Florida, but now I don't do mixing full-time, so I don't really want to, I can't really justify paying like $1,400 for a pair of headphones, but fuck, I miss him. The transcript should also add an evil laugh.

2:28:08 Does AirChat curse us slow, deliberate speakers? I hope not. 3X, and while I'm waiting, I'm drinking coffee. Hey guys, so I want to share something. I thought it was super cool. A couple of days ago, I invited Alex onto the app. He owns Linktree. And, you know, I shot him a text message as well saying, like, listen, you should integrate with socials on Linktree. And just got news today that Linktree finally integrated with AirChat where you can add it to your socials. I think what really separates like really great founders from mediocre ones is that they have incredibly fast iteration cycles and they take feedback incredibly well and something that is very apparent when it comes to Linktree and Alex. So big props then and, you know, congrats to the AirChat team for all the success. I still think that my best HR is these ones which are not definitely done for noise cancelling but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat so you will actually hear what's been recorded there's no artificial amplification of any frequencies but they are definitely in the next level and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all or you don't think there was something or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier given they still did a proper production and mixing and the recording value was way higher at the time.

2:29:22 I have a little bit of FOMO right now because I have the Sennheiser HD 300s. And I'm wondering, maybe I should have gotten these ones because they look a little bit nicer than mine, but oh well. Well, the good news is that it doesn't matter how they look, only how they sound. What are some must-read autobiographies from the past two years? Elon Musk by Walt Isaacson is worth checking out. clubhouse tried to do that but they didn't do anything to it before they tried to sell it so it just kind of looked like a three and a half inch floppy which i've heard it's that big actually um sorry paul anyway so uh didn't work out well for them um but if you put an even like a modicum of effort into it had any talent um weren't like eight billion dollars in the hole to your covid funding round um you'd probably be okay i'd be great i'd get pranku into it i've wanted pranku to do that for a while. Wasn't Jack Dossi's first tweet sold about 3 million and later on the bidding price was maybe $17. That's because there's no pedestal here. The original poster is not favored in any way. There's really no such thing as the so-called OP. On Twitter, one person gets in their soapbox and everybody else is below and fights in the stands. Here, every single person walking up is a peer and that is reflected in the interface and in how everything is percolated throughout the app. Sorry for the big word. But essentially, everyone has a chance, an equal chance. So you're right. This is the ultimate reply guy app in that sense. But reply guy is only a pejorative because you created some special original guy in the first place, and that guy doesn't exist on AirChat. If you're not following the reply person and it's your post, it would show as a hidden, the label hidden there. And if you don't tap that, you don't like that.

2:30:59 So it's the reply hidden to your followers. So that's the way to keep the replies more muted. oh thank you but isn't the channel called petri i mean i'm here i'm talking do we need a channel because uh in the previous one i had many rooms um but it's just me it's me myself and i so i'm just talking about uh weird stuff colors of dresses and how many tits you're doing per hour and music and ai and forecasters and social media and i don't even remember what i've been talking today so you get the drift but if by popular demand we need a channel please tell me the of the channel. I have the perfect name for a channel. It should be called "Channeling the Inner Petri". What do you say? There's a lot of good stuff on the Airtuit archives. My internet friends are more real than my in-person friends. Is that weird? What's the difference? Friends are friends. On iOS, you can go to accessibility, color filters, set it to red, 75% opacity, and then map it to your triple click, or for a pro move make it an automation so it automatically happens from sunrise the sunset to sunrise and there is your pink mode you are welcome it worked everything's pink the little rainbow bubbles are mostly pink wow we oh sheesh my profile picture is pink jess's profile picture is pink this is the best day ever naval you've changed my life twice now once with air chat and once with with the pink filter. Naval, the hotties want pink mode. On iOS, you can go to accessibility, color filters, set it to red, 75% opacity, and then map it to your triple click, or for a pro move, make it an automation so it automatically happens from sunrise, sunset to sunrise, and there is your pink mode. You are welcome. This is crazy, Petri. You actually interviewed the guy.

2:32:50 You actually interviewed the guy. That is insane. I'm talking to famous people here. I don't know who's famous. I don't know who's who. But yeah, you're interviewing awesome people. I'm listening to the song now. Tips, I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Sure, Petri. I'm going to definitely use it as my wind down tonight when I go to sleep. I'll check it out. Well, Ashley, this has been really fun for me. I really appreciate your time. And I love everything you do. So thank you so much. I'm looking forward to more of your investigative reports, obviously your documentary too, and more conversations on AirChat and X. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I think it was a really fun and engaging interview, and hopefully we can get more of these.

2:33:40 I think this is a really cool format that you guys are doing here on AirChat generally, and especially for interviews. I think it's fun. People can take their time to digest it. There's not a whole lot of air in between, no dead space. So thank you again. You turn off dark mode? I never turn off dark mode. It's the best mode. dark mode doesn't reflect the light of my soul the sweet relief of turning off dark mode good morning jesse good morning patrie again i just wanted to say really great interview between arjun and ashley st claire a lot of great topics discussed and you guys really set the bar high for doing interviews on this app really great job and thank you so much for the conversation what's your chits per hour ratio somewhere between Still a long way to go to 4:20. I love your flow Lisa. As you were talking, I'm sitting here on the couch and I literally closed my eyes and I visualized exactly as you were saying it. I need to do more visualization. Thank you for that prompt. Yeah, it's a field beat by Darude. And I was thinking this one.

2:34:46 *music* Yeah, the trouble is that in order to dig out the proper music channels on the old air chat, you need the name of the person who created the room, and then you need to put exactly the name of the room. But yeah, some of them were just sharing links, some of them were sharing actual beats. Sweet dreams. The dark mode is yet to arrive on Android. This light mode is good, but it's not good enough. Really waiting for the update for them. And I'm waiting for that Google Play Store approval. Day five and counting. No, it's going to be a banger. Yeah, the transcription makes it a killer. Yeah, how many tits you do per hour?

2:36:07 do want to listen to some of the old-school air chats because they were a lot of fun. And some of the Navall, and Brian's, and even the Babblefish, Alex, Keith, oh Keith is hilarious. Mine was just my first name so the URL format is air.chat/name/ and then the name of the room. Sounds like dawn's birthday dirt. It is undisputed, Petri. You do laugh. I'm sorry. What's your chits per hour ratio? I'm sorry, what? No, it's going to be a banger. Yeah, the transcription makes it a killer. Yeah, how many chits you do per hour? Financialization of social is the antithesis of social.

2:36:59 All of these platforms trying to tokenize social interactions or create incentives for communities are doomed to fail because the monetization of human bonds destroys the social connection of those bonds. I don't believe that anyone who is coming for a token incentive can be authentic. Exactly. But it's also that it's usually pretty hard also to keep the line because what's popular is not exactly the best content. And what is popular is usually, well, it's popular because it's all over the place that gets the distribution, that gets the advertising money, that gets the sponsors because a lot of people are listening to that one. But it may not exactly be the one which is the interesting one, which is the new, which is the more risky one, which is not proven. And that does not make it all so interesting as a content wise. Sure, but the financialization drives away those sorts of people and it destroys those sort of bonds.

2:37:51 So you're left with the lowest common denominator of people that are just in it for the pump to make money. As soon as they lose money, they're not your friend anymore. And it's also the image on people's minds and reputation. If you're already in there, it's hard to change and rebrand it and get out of the image of being on the tokenization and that type of platform. Financialization of social is the antithesis of social. All of these platforms trying to tokenize social interactions or create incentives for communities are doomed to fail because the monetization of human bonds destroys the social connection of those bonds. I don't believe that anyone who is coming for a token incentive can be authentic. I love this photo of me, Balaji, and Brian Johnson. It looks like we're being held up by a robber. Yeah, 100%. I think that is the biggest hurdle. It's one of the strengths, the asynchronous nature, and it's also one of the things that makes people get in their own way.

2:38:49 If it was phone calls, it'd be different. It'd be far more noisy, but it would be different. But there is probably innovation that can happen with trying to give people a feel for the way a conversation is going and maybe that helps when you get some I don't know visual signal from the screen that there's people active in a room or in a channel that kind of thing maybe you practice with your friends and then you get familiar with this thing and after a while you don't care it's like the regular chatting and panther you're doing in whichever circumstances so it becomes like the second nature like people are commenting on Facebook and whatnot they don't think too much as we can see and read yeah we're universal explainers so we can learn to be comfortable doing anything if we want to but speech to text is only going to become more and more a part of everyday life talking to machines i mean it's going to be the modality of the next 10 years really um like i said there is probably a lot of innovation that can happen in the interaction between um but we're so new to this i mean it's only just reached the point where it's accurate enough to be useful generally so yeah there's a lot of scope to improve the process but you know we're in a good place i did stand-up comedy for a couple years in new york city what can comedian do any of you guys think would be perfect on air chat? Rappers, people who are good with words, actors, stand-up comedians, but also poets would probably make a killing here, and voice actors if they borrow the material from others, unless they are one of those previous categories already. I think part of the anxiety comes from there being no visual or other cue that you get when you're talking to a device. When you're talking in a social situation in real life, you're getting cues, body language, little movements from the people around you.

2:40:26 And you can use that to gauge whether they're receptive to what you're saying or, you know, how engaged they are. But when you're talking to a phone in your hand, you have none of that. And I think it makes it feel like you're not talking to anyone. And that's when you're more likely to kind of screw your words up or model it up until you get more practiced at it. But even then, I'm still not great at it. When the telephone was introduced, you were probably talking to your friends, but there was also the anxiety which is still there of calling cold calls, calling people you don't know. And you don't get those cues. And you have to introduce yourself. You have to get through. And maybe you have some performance issues as well. So you need to close the sales or at least get to the next meeting or call. So it's still there. And it's even in some level that you're not even picking up the phone when it's ringing. You become hyper aware of the way you speak.

2:41:16 what you say, how you say, and that raises the bar. And like I said, there's no cues, so you don't know. And you think that while you're speaking with someone in a social environment and in real life, that it's ephemeral. So it just comes out of your mouth and then it's gone. And then you can hide if it doesn't go so bad, or you can always fix it, but here it's more permanent, and that raises the bar. Yeah, I definitely think you guys are right. In normal conversation, you've got a visual cue, even within a sentence, is what you're saying, registering, maybe you need to move direction and try to rephrase. But when you're just holding the button and talking, there's nothing to give you a cue. I think that probably might be, now that I'm saying this, it's probably one of the biggest hurdles to getting used to using AirChat. There's also the fact that you're listening to yourself in a regular conversation. You're not listening to yourself, but here you can play back, obviously, after you have posted it. But this gives you more doubts.

2:42:10 A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking but the threshold is there. That makes sense. I did stand-up comedy in New York for a couple years and even using this app I was a little hesitant at first but definitely getting used to and loving it now. In no time you're gonna be on fire here and then you have tons of good material which you already know is working because you're getting a lot of replies and reports and followers. We're rolling out N8N across everyone in our company and I'm wondering if any other organizations have the experience of how this is going to go with the technical and non-technical people. So far, we're just doing it and seeing what's happening. Especially, we're hoping that people will start to adopt AI, not just as a chat partner, but as something that can help them in their own processes. I'm wondering...

2:42:57 You mean this N-A-N or something else? No, it actually transcribed it correctly. N-8-N. It's an automation platform. It's open source, but we're getting the enterprise version because we're big and we need to have protections and spend more money. A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there. Yeah, I do this all the time. I'll get halfway through a sentence and my brain decides there's a better way to say it, and it'll just do it. I'm like, no, finish the sentence first. But that's not the way their brains work. A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there.

2:43:51 I understand that. I mean, I don't love my voice, and I always get a little bit of social anxiety when I'm talking to people, but talking on air chat as a giant blue chicken, it's the perfect practice. The paradox of the situation is that everybody else knows your voice because, hey, that's how you sound, but it's only you. for it sounds different because you don't usually listen to your own voice, at least if you're not a public speaker, you're recording yourself. And when you start to do that, you think that that's weird, but it's only weird for you, not for anyone else. I get so used to listening to people in their chat at 2x speed that people in real life start sounding very slow. That's why you speak to them only on air chat or when they are on YouTube or podcasts, and then you can even go to the real 3x or 4x. In fact, I already have some of the early stats, but I'm not going to share them because they are skewed by an early adopter user base.

2:44:43 So I don't know how accurate they are, but it's already way better than 1% creators. I'll tell you that. Way, way, way better. Even though you're not sharing them, but it might be interesting if you check for the blue sky because they had also pretty high ratio for their creators versus lurkers. The one who signed up and never posted and then never came back. LOL, this gave me a good laugh. Do you think sometimes people are afraid to post on social media, or they're just too lazy? A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there. Who do you think is the dumbest person on AirChat? The one who signed up and never posted and then never came back. How do you access channels? I see people mentioning it. I found a few, but is there a directory? Yes, Channel Directory will be in the next release that comes out. We're just in App Store Review with both Google and Apple. Speaking of which, we've been stuck in Google Play Store Review for days now. So if anybody knows anyone who works at the Play Store, help us get through. There's your dark mode. There's your Channel's Directory, all sitting there and waiting.

2:45:45 I was clearing out my stuff and I came across this sketchbook from 2022. And I remembered that I'd made this artwork, which I'd had a lot of fun drawing because I made this. The color in this is from older oil pastels that had gone dry. And by older, I mean almost 25 years old. So it was fun working my way with those dried up oil pastels. I guess this is my 13th edition to the thread. Number 15 in this thread, I call this the good Yakuza. This took about three hours of inconsistent work. I've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where I can just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all It also takes some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything It's not super simple. So I'm having I'm having withdrawal syndromes I'm having air chat withdrawal symptoms and the first thing that I did like Neeraj is I checked air chat in the morning So quickly scroll to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me. So I don't like it I don't like the withdrawal symptoms, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out y'all. Have a morning Listen, just without your air chat and just whisper into it like this.

2:47:15 Nobody will be any wiser. Just in a little something. Just talk over your breath. They can't even hear you. I mean, you can even, like, go into some, like, doing the ventriloquism. Be like, oh, yeah, I'm trying to be a ventriloquist. There's lots of way to hide it. Like, I'm walking away from my kid right now. She doesn't even notice that I'm talking in air chat. If she knew, she'd be like, right here, going, hey, mom, what are you doing? What are you talking about? She can't even hear me. Trust me, it works. I think I need an intervention. Just so you all know, as one of the original addicted people, I've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where I can't just whip out AirChat and start listening to you all. It also takes some time to start listening and get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything. It's not super simple. So I'm having withdrawal syndromes. I'm having AirChat withdrawal syndromes, and the first thing that I did, like Neeraj, is I checked AirChat in the morning, quickly scrolled to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me.

2:48:06 So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal syndromes, But I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a morning. Keith comes to your saving. He's doing already the sun rays when Brittany's taking a break. What are your thoughts on just open sourcing the algorithm? Okay, I'll open source it right here, right now. Everything is in your feed in reverse chronological order based on people you follow. That's literally it. That's the whole algorithm. I still think that my best hedge at these ones are not definitely done for. noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level, and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier when they still did proper productions and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time.

2:49:05 No, no, no, no, no. I'll be patient. My birthday's around the corner. I've already told, I've hinted, so it shall be delivered. It will come out of my pocket anyway, but it shall be delivered as a gift. But no, no, no, I'm not asking for anyone to get it for me. Absolutely not. Sounds like Dawn's Birthday Dirt. I still think that my best headchairs, these ones, are not definitely done for noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level. And you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones that you can hear. done in the 90s and earlier when they still did a proper productions and mixing and the recording value was way higher at the time. Petri, if anybody loves me in this life, they would definitely, definitely know this. This idea is the kind of stuff I like. Man, like I want to have at least one pair of awesome, awesome earphones for music. Just pure beauty.

2:50:20 like music deserves good headphones or earphones so yeah that definitely isn't my dream now it's there the universe knows actually you know what i'm gonna do i think uh like you know how people have smoke breaks they go out and smoke not that much in america but like europeans know what i'm talking about they're gonna have air chat breaks just go out on the street because nobody can see me and nobody can like be weird that i'm talking to a camera there's like an influence or something like a tiktok gen z um i'm just gonna take air chat breaks yep that's an idea hr breaks or if you're really old-fashioned you could say that you just take phone calls just so you all know as one of the original addicted people uh i've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where i can't just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all and also take some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything it's not super simple um so i'm having i'm having withdrawal syndromes i'm having air chat withdrawal syndromes and the first thing that i did like mirage is i checked air chat in the morning so quickly scroll to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me.

2:51:19 So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal symptoms, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a good morning. Actually, you know what I'm going to do? I think, like, you know how people have smoke breaks? They go out and smoke. Not that much in America, but like Europeans know what I'm talking about. You know, I have air chat breaks. Just go out on the street because nobody can see me and nobody can like be weird that I'm talking to a camera as like an influencer or something, like a TikTok Gen Z. I'm just going to take air chat breaks. Yep, that's an idea. HR breaks. I'm interviewing Ashley St. Clair right here on air chat she's the operations manager at babylon b and author of elephants are not birds a great book for kids combating the transgender propaganda being pushed in many schools in the west today audience questions are welcome i'll post the best ones in my main thread with ashley for her to answer just so you all know as one of the original addicted people i've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where i can't just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all and also take some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything it's not super simple. So I'm having withdrawal syndromes. I'm having airchat withdrawal syndromes, and the first thing that I did, like Niraj, is I checked airchat in the morning, quickly scrolled to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me. So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal syndromes, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a morning.

2:52:30 If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode, and a duck mode, and the rest of it? I still think that my best hedger is these ones. These are not definitely done for noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level, and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier, and they still did a proper production and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time. Okay, it's confession time. At least for the last few days, AirChat is one of the first things I think about as I wake up and change states, and I get this wave of giddiness wash over me thinking about everyone here. Turns out my head hurts.

2:53:31 The integrated toolbox while recording is nice, but there's some serious issue. You cannot easily attach the photo because, well, you see it in the picture. So it's the pause play button is on top of it. So it's really hard, almost impossible to do it. If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode and a dark mode and the rest of it? The chipmunk idea is terrific. I think I'd like to have Theodore, Simon, and Alvin. Remember, Dave is out. It's a whole Hannah Montana type thing, so we shouldn't... Let's refer to him as Ryan. That way, no one will be able to find him or tag him. And then, just a quick question for you. For dark mode, is it still like getting a black bag shoved over your head when you first get in your car and then dragged out of it and wind up in Bogota? That's what it's like for me.

2:54:20 Now, I did use Android last night, so I might have gotten a little toad venom on my fingers. It could be tripping. But yeah, it's just like being kidnapped. It's like a whole Slice of Pete thing, which is awkward. I noticed you've been following quite a many people. Maybe you are breaking the records. How is your feed? Can you give some experience how it looks like? Can you go back in your feed? I mean, if there's like 16K people, obviously everybody is active. So how many minutes, hours can you go back? How much are you missing stuff? Which is obviously a retrial question because you don't know. But give the good, bad, and the ugly. Hey Dawn, yeah so it didn't work for me. I've clicked on the link you sent and it just it takes me to the channel, but I still don't have access. Let's click the inward link and this is how it looked for me without me doing anything else. So this is what it looks like on my end. Alright guys, the latest mixtape is out. This one is called as "Greatness" featuring Nawal. Hope you guys like it.

2:55:16 AirChat mixtape, hot new singles, just out, featuring our very own Dar. Enjoy. without the emotion, the feeling of hearing their words or seeing their body language. Was it like this when they were drawing the maps? I wouldn't worry too much about it if you don't find anyone. If you have something in your mind, do the tits storm, like a tweet storm. If there's a bunch of ideas, it's not just a random idea.

2:56:04 Or put them in separate tits without putting them in a chain. And let it go out there. Then you can always pick it up. You can always link to it and you can also add to it. And if somebody finds it, that's perfect. You can also re-chit it yourself if you want to pump it up to the feed later on. And yes, if you want to have more like a conversation, that obviously requires that the person is online at the same time. Well, you can obviously synchronize that off-air chat and do that. But sometimes I've been having these back and forth, and it's really fun to do it. But it doesn't really require that you can pick it up later on. But certainly if you see somebody replying to your cheat, and they are online, and if you're lucky, then you can have the conversation. And those are the best ones usually. But I wouldn't just wait for that to happen. Just put it all out there. The best thing is that it's not like talking real life. It's not ephemeral in the sense that you say the words and they are in the wind. They will stay here and you can pick them up later and others can also start conversation around it.

2:56:57 100%. That is one of my life mantras. Embracing organized chaos. If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode and a duck mode and the rest of it? What's up, duck? Yeah, I got it. I was just joking towards the end. I'm like, I have zero interest in the kind of stuff. It doesn't move me. It doesn't inspire me. I really am inspired by reading from great people, which is what I use it for. I catch up with the news without watching the news. That's what I use it for. But on here, the thing I enjoy is engagement and talking to awesome people and meeting awesome people. I've made more good friends here than I've made in any of the other social media platforms I've used before. And I know Naval doesn't like to call this a social media platform, but it's the only term that comes to mind. It's something different, but it's enjoyable. And yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad to be here. By the way, did you already start to build something on the Blue Sky?

2:57:48 I don't want to pick up on you on that one, but it sounded like you were curious and you were in the middle of debugging something and you just wanted to get rid of it. So I'm just curious whether you already have some kind of bots up and running and going. No, I haven't actually had a chance to play with that. I think my mind is so overloaded with all the Nostra stuff, um i think i think by the end of may i should be like back to a somewhat normal life but every day i'm busy with other coding stuff and when i'm not coding i'd rather just be talking because because you know how code goes um you get stuck in there you suffer you become stupid so you have to get out of it um to regain some perspective and then jump back in so i haven't opened it up to play with it but it's in my bookmarks here so it's like it's that and then there's that um open interpreter that was sent by jack milker um those are the two things that i definitely want to play with as soon as I have some free time. Ooh, the dark mode. Now we're talking. Is it really a dark mode if the voices are not dropped also an octave at you? One of the problems I'm finding on here is kind of like with voice chat on WhatsApp is unless you're online with the person, it's less of a conversation than it is like a monologue followed by a return monologue followed by a term monologue. I'm curious if anyone is finding a solution for this. Like, is the solution to just only share one idea, even when there's five ideas rattling off in your head, and then let someone respond, and then share another? Or is it just like, fully draw out the whole idea, and then let people digest it and respond? I wouldn't worry too much about it, if you don't find anyone. If you have something in your mind, do the tits storm, like a tweet storm, if there's a, you know, bunch of ideas, it's not just a random idea. Or put them in a separate chips, tits, without putting them in a chain and let it go out there then you can always pick it up you can always link to it and you can also add to it and if somebody finds it that's perfect you can also reach it yourself if you want to pump it up to the feed later on and yes if you want to have a more like a conversation that obviously requires that the person is online at the same time well you can obviously synchronize that off air chat and do that but sometimes i've been having these back

2:59:56 and forth and it's really fun to do it but it doesn't really require that you can pick it up later on. But certainly if you see somebody replying to your cheat and they are online, and if you're lucky, then you can have the conversation. And those are the best ones usually. But I wouldn't just wait for that to happen. Just put it all out there. The best thing is that it's not like talking in real life. It's not ephemeral in a sense that you say the words and they are in the wind. They will stay here and you can pick them up later and others can also start a conversation around it. One of the problems with Twitter, which was my preferred medium, is that it's just so easy to fake it. You can literally sit there for a long time before you come up with a perfect 140 character thing, which, believe it or not, actually wasn't my style. I used to tweet off the cuff. But then I would see like 200 reply guys show up and just rephrase what I said in slightly different ways. Or I would see people copying the same content a year later, two years later. And you kind of want to say, really? Let's talk in person. Get in the ring. Get in your feet. Let's see how good you actually are. And that's what I think this app does. It really allows the people who are incredibly witty to really shine or the people who are incredibly empathetic.

3:00:52 Like if you listen to Sifiway talk, you literally want to cry. This man is so wise. He's got such humility, such wisdom I'm about to destroy his account. Sorry Siphi Wei. But you know, there's just some incredible people. And that's the beauty of it. You can just wander around like a pier and make friends with some of the most amazing human beings on earth that you would never get to meet otherwise. I love Siphi Wei. He's got big golden retriever energy, like just a big happy ball of sunshine. And that doesn't come through on Twitter at all. I just went and checked out his Twitter. He's got like less than 100 followers. He doesn't post on there. And just to see him shine here and you can really hear his persona and feel that energy. It's like a big hug coming through the phone. It's just wonderful. What is the ideal post on AirChat? Is it just an offhand thought? Is it a question? Is it like an essay, a poem, a song? I really don't know. I'm trying to figure this out. What do people think? I think the format is discussion. You can initiate the discussion.

3:01:42 Somebody else can initiate the discussion. You can pick up a conversation which has already happened in the past and bring something new into it and you put it into life. The forking of the discussion happens naturally when you're replying to something. So in that way, any city is a beginning of a new conversation. So this format is just basically about the voice. It's about heart to heart. It's about people to people. So the intention matters, your words matter, thinking matters. So I think it's more about ideas. It's about what do you want to convey? What do you want to say? That's more important than how you say it. Obviously, the format matters a bit. Don't make it too long because nobody will listen tweet bro you got to read the terms of service seriously one don't lick any android phones just don't do it gary was going around telling people lick their phones that's only on the iphone build and two if you listen to ksenia at one x she eats your soul i mean she eats it that's it that's why so many people used to roll off because we didn't have like they would come in and one x and boom she boils the water boom anyway stay safe out there buddy dude ksenia doesn't eat your soul you just want her to air chat is the resurgence of the salon format which i love and it is salon at scale how do you actually scale a voice conversation to thousands millions of people right where your wit and your ability to deliver a succinct impactful point matters and uh the thing is with air chat is like you can delete your message and then try another one right so if there was like a um survival mode with air chat where you can't delete what you say you have to get it right in the first take i would fucking i would sign up for that i would play air chat on survival mode for sure. I love the concept. It's a survival mode. First takes only. No undo. I guess that the closest is if you do a live conversation with someone which is sync and you just go by that ethics so you are not deleting anything. Personal request would be if it's the legendary icon from Halo with like the you know the grunt head and the two swords. I want to play in legendary mode. I'm so here for that. Ear chat support. I have a bug to report. I was trying to get into dark mode and I couldn't and my push to talk microphone stopped working so I'm attaching an

3:03:49 image below excuse me ah image doesn't exist anyway um hopefully it's nothing bad and also I don't know I'm a little laggy like I scrolled through for a while and no one talked to me. I have had similar situation where something is not working and I call a technician he comes to visit and I'm trying to demonstrate the same problem to replicate it and it just works. I have I have no idea why it happens, many times. - Well, the demo effect I've been experiencing a lot is either demo effect or reverse demo effect where you're demonstrating something and it works, or it doesn't work, but it flips to the previous position when you're not doing that anymore. So if something was not working, and then you show to somebody who can fix it, that hey, look, this doesn't work, and then it works, or it's the other way around. So it's almost like the Schrodinger's cat situation where it's working and not working, but it depends who is looking at it, and that's the most annoying thing.

3:04:42 Yes, that is the most annoying thing and it just makes you look like a fool right in the demo process. I hate it. Paige and Colby, this is your moment dude. Seriously, everyone, I don't think anyone in the universe knows more about Noster than Colby does. He did about... seriously, it's legit impressive. Colby, take it away dude. It seems that it's still possible to get to the old rooms of AirChat's previous version by the web version. They probably don't work here. Maybe you have to copy the link to a browser and consume it there. But let's try whether this link works. This is one of the two rooms. This is my room, but there's also Golgi's room. I can post it next if I can find the URL for that one. What I say here is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I reserve a corner of my mind that actually believes that people have largely bespoke realities or private simulations and that we are in a combined single-player slash multiplayer game where the game modes kind of touch in places but not completely. so there is a certain degree to which people actually have personalized bespoke experiences and the world is actually different for each person.

3:05:50 And then what emerges when you interact with other players is a sort of hysteric cobbled together consensus reality, which doesn't always end up completely consistent. But yeah, I don't fully subscribe to this. It's just... I would say I'm in a superposition of belief on this. I don't actually believe it, but I kind of do, if that makes sense. What would be the way to test this hypothesis? Is there any way if the consciousness is choosing the pathway it goes through? Well, there are obviously intersections, but they're mainly within your own simulation. So even though they are overlapping experiences, they are still within your simulation. And if I'm playing with you and we're walking on the street, I'm still seeing it from my side. And we're just like, you know, whatever console game. We're seeing partly the same universe, but from our angles. And there might be elements which are just mine and yours. And even though we're interacting and having something in common.

3:06:39 So is there any way to do that? So is it the same like with the multiverse and the splitting of the universes based on the fundamental particle coherence? So in that way, can we ever prove this hypothesis except with these good stories? Mine are usually with technology completely failing without any reasons. And even the telcos are just puzzled what happened and why, and they cannot explain things. And we actually had incidents where one of my parents would be handling a piece of malfunctioning technology. and as soon as I picked it up, it started working. Or my father would be struggling with something and he'd call out to me and the moment I walk into the room, it starts working. So maybe simulation, maybe magic, but this is far too consistent to be easily discarded. Maybe it's confirmation bias, who knows?

3:07:31 But anyway, this seriously, seriously challenges my scientific rationalist worldview. Wait, am I the only one who drinks instant coffee? People are drinking instant coffee? Yo, there is nothing wrong with frat boy mode, and thank you for the compliment. I'm glad that you checked it out. The funniest thing that you may be known as a toothbrush guy here, and on other platforms and places, it's the music, not the "hey, you're only known from the latest thing" like the fashion saying goes. That does not look like the new toothbrush that I saw. I was ordered for you. Where's the new toothbrush? And why are you brushing your teeth in all your hair? That's kind of aggressive, but I'm more interested on the new toothbrush and if it's amazing or not. Hannah, do you need a toothbrush too? Is it a toothbrush gifting day? Or night, I guess?

3:08:23 We're going to just get everybody toothbrushes on AirChat. That's what's going to happen. This is the longest post ever recorded on AirChat. I was asking how long we could go before we got cut off. and nobody knew. And someone told me to sacrifice myself for science. So here we go. I will continue talking until I am cut off or until I accidentally let go of the button. I actually started doing this like 10 minutes ago and I got a low battery notification on my phone and it stopped me. And all those beautiful words and beautiful thoughts that I was stringing together are completely lost like tears in the rain in a manner of speaking. So I'm just going to keep going. I'm going to just keep talking. I have no idea what I'm going to say, but that's kind of like what they do in the Congress, right? Like filibusters, they just talk and read the dictionary. And that's why we have such an amazing government. So I will keep talking and you'll keep listening because you don't have anything better to do for apparently. No offense. But so it's okay, right? I mean, this is the, this is how science progresses. Science doesn't progress by success. It progresses by failure.

3:09:15 It progresses by people trying things and dying. It progresses by people falling over and then other people watching them and being like, oh, there's a rock there. I'm not going to trip on that. You know, the Wright brothers, right? The Wright brothers flew the airplane. We all, we, we honor them, they've got their, like, on money, whatever. But there was hundreds, dozens, whatever, people before them who taped, you know, feathers to their arms, they made cardboard airplanes, they jumped off cliffs, and they died. A lot of these guys died. And the people that came after them, like the Wright brothers, saw what they did wrong, modified, you know, their inventions just a little bit, and got it right to the point where it actually worked. And I feel like that kind of, martyr, right? I will probably not find or record the longest post in AirChat history. It's quite possible. I will fail. But I will get as close as I can, and I will add information to the next generation of pioneers, and maybe they will find what the time limit is. And that makes me feel not fulfilled, but hopeful, but optimistic. I feel like I'm part of a larger process that will carry on even after my voice fails, even after I collapse from exhaustion, even after my thumb starts bleeding because I'm pressing it into my phone so hard, other people will take what little findings I'm able to offer and they will expand upon it.

3:10:32 And that is amazing, right? So here we are, like, we're just trying stuff, we're failing, and other people are building on top of that. So, and like you, like, why the heck are you listening to this? Most people, 95% of people probably saw the first two or three sentences, maybe gave the post a like and kept scrolling. But you, you are still here. And that makes me feel really good. Oh, wow. Oh, my voice, I'm feeling getting tight in my chest. My voice is getting hoarse. Oh, this is not looking good, guys. Like, I have not seen any indication that my torture is going to end anytime soon. There has been no visual feedback. There's been no audio feedback. My little avatar is still doing the little colorful rainbow blob thing, which means it is recording. I have my phone plugged in now, so I'm not going to be saved by some sort of low battery notification. And, uh, I guess a phone call. If someone called me right now, that would probably interrupt it. But otherwise I just have to keep talking. I'm going to have to find a way.

3:11:30 Oh, I need to talk more in my chest or something. Oh my gosh. This is not a, whoa. Oh, okay. Oh, that's better. Yeah. I just got to, I just got to relax, got to relax the vocal cords. Not, let's not take it too seriously. This is a marathon, right? I saw the Boston marathon guy, The winner, you know, yesterday or whenever that was. And, you know, oh my God, like at the end, he was going so fast, but he was also relaxed. You could just tell how relaxed his body was, his posture. He was just at ease. And that's what enabled him to maintain that pace for so long, right? Plus amazing genetics and training. So that's kind of like me. I am a Boston Marathon winner, or at least a top 10 finisher, because I'm in it for the long haul. I'm just going to keep talking and talking and talking until the app cuts me off, right? Or until I just literally physically cannot continue.

3:12:21 Now, there is a question, right? There's a question of sanity. When people do things like this, other people from the outside will often dismiss them as insane. But I would argue that the only sane people are the ones who are actually in the arena doing things. Like, man, I'm in the arena. That's a good quote. I could probably expand on that. I could probably come up with a whole speech about how the critic is not the person you should be respecting. The critic is the one, the eloquent critic. The eloquent critic is what everyone listens to. But the man, the dude, the dude in the arena, that's the guy you should be following. That's the guy you should be admiring. And that's what I am. I'm basically like the man in the arena. So I just can't believe how amazing that is. Like, isn't that so cool?

3:13:09 Like, wow. Wow. that I am, I am the man in the arena. So anyways, shout out to Theodore Roosevelt for describing me so well. What a Chad. But okay. Oh, I know what I could do. I don't have any like books in front of me, but I do have, I do know quite a bit of poetry. I could recite some poetry. That might, that would probably be a way to keep talking. Cause like my mind is fried. Like I have absolutely nothing to say anymore. This is, this is crazy. Like it's just like, it's like when you have the 24 hour stomach flu. And you just like, you barf it all up in the toilet. And then, you know, you feel sick. And then a few hours later, I do barf some more. And a few hours later, you barf again. And then at that point, like you haven't drank or eaten anything for hours. And it's just like a little bit coming up, just like a little bit, you know, it's like just gone. And like, you're still like just dry heaving. Like that's basically where I'm at. Like my mind had a bunch of things to say. My mind had a bunch of words going on that it knew that it was like constipated, wanting to get out.

3:14:01 It's out now. It's, it's gone. Like I already, it's all gone, dude. Like, I don't know what to, there's nothing left. I'm dry heaving. So we're just going to start off with a little poem by J.R.R. Tolkien. It's an elvish, so you're not going to understand a fucking word of what I say. But it's really beautiful. It's a beautiful poem, and maybe you'll enjoy it. It's called Namari. It's what Galadriel said to the people, like the dudes, when they were leaving from Mordor. And it goes like this. I lorei lanta lasi surinin inyare notamebe r Okay, so that's in English. It goes something like this.

3:15:23 and mist covers the jewels of Calakiria forever. Now lost, lost to those of the east is Valimar. Farewell, maybe thou shall find Valimar. Maybe even thou shall find it. Farewell. Whew, okay, that was nice. That gave my brain a little time to work, um, to generate some more, more words. It's actually crazy how much you can think, like, when you have something memorized that well, like, your mind can keep thinking while you're just, like, vomiting out the word, uh, salad. So, yeah, one thing that came to me is, like, I am very skeptical that the AI is actually going to be able to transcribe like my, once I let go of the button, it is probably going to crash, which is the most unsatisfying conclusion. Like that means that there's some invisible line that I'm going to cross or have already crossed in which it will overwhelm the app and I'm going to let go and nothing's going to happen. That is so disappointing. And I'm just terrified that that has already happened. Like I've already crossed the line and I can keep going for like 10 hours, like three days, who knows what. And it's, it's, it's not going to do anything. So that, that's kind of in the back of my mind now. Like that, that's just a, that's like a little devil there, like just whispering evil, evil thoughts of just give up. Just, it's hopeless. It's not, the app is not going to tell you anything. You've already been talking 10 minutes. That's way too long. Just give up, give up now. Just go, you know, get us, make a sandwich, get a drink.

3:16:43 There's absolutely no reason to keep going. And that is why we must say, not today, Satan. Say it with me. Not today, Satan. There we go. Yeah, we just, whenever you get that little voice in your mind, you gotta just smack it on the head and stick it in the box, just like that song says, right? If I had a little black box to put my Satan in, I'd take him out and smack his head and put him back again. There's a reason that we teach children songs like that. It has nothing to do with religion, right? It's all about science. It's all about science and the progression towards knowledge, which is what I'm doing. I am sacrificing my entire afternoon for you, for science, for the truth. And that is why, like, songs that teach children to smack the fuck out of the devil are actually, it's basically like neurobiology, right? It's almost like, it's like physics.

3:17:34 And I think that should be taught in our schools. I think, I think, I think, oh, now I'm getting into politics. I think, I think probably exorcism should be taught in schools. I think probably voodoo. I mean, the traditional Haitian voodoo should be taught in schools. I think astrology is basically already taught in schools. I mean, it's fake. I mean, it's not because it's true. I mean, most things taught in school are probably not true anyways. So it's more about just the overall, you know, ideal of science, right? Like, I think that's what we're getting at. I mean, voodoo is basically just another name for, you know, chemistry or something, right? I have no idea what I'm saying anymore. Like, these words are literally, like, being generated by my unconscious. My conscious mind is often a quiet, happy, sunny place where there's no talking. And it's just my id, basically, just vomiting now, just spewing stuff.

3:18:25 Which means it's probably time for another poem. So this is a famous poem. One of my favorite renditions of it is by Morgan Freeman. When he was on a podcast, he recited it from memory, which I will do as well. He did get a few of the words wrong, though, which, you know, you can't blame him, because, you know, he's an 80-year-old man, and he's been 80 years old for a long time. So my version is this. Oh, wait, I was going to do the wrong poem. It's called Invictus, and it says, Out of the night that covers me, black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance my head is bloody but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet the menace of the years finds me... I have both failed and succeeded. I have succeeded in making it one hour, so we now know that you can do at least one hour.

3:19:15 I thought for certain that the transcription AI would crash. And at first it looked like it did. It said that it wasn't able to post it, and I just had this huge sinking feeling of just wasting an entire hour of my life. But I did not. It was not wasted. And you can now listen to my beautiful melodious voice for 60 minutes. Enjoy. Yeah, I didn't know there was a U in Elon Musk. But it seems legit, right? E. Lund. Musk. I'm sure that's a real account. Adopting from the Croucho Marx saying, any famous person following me is probably an imposter, so should not be followed. Another cool part about this flatter peer-to-peer model versus the one-to-many influencer one is you now have a lot more ability and propensity for people to be authentic and real in meaningful relationships.

3:20:08 Because in the one-to-many model, you have more attachment to outcome of, oh, what can I say to just win this over? And again, that graduates away from that natural authenticity. If you believe in the natural law, and that which we transmit is that which we attract, then you get to the point where heads you win and tails you win. There's no way you can lose, because when you're transmitting your own natural frequency and energy out, you start having it reflected back to you. That's the physics term of resonance, when you drive the highest amplitude at the natural frequency, which is actually the term. when some of the famous people you know from movies or otherwise popular public persons and they start to do reels instagram reels and this was particularly when covid was going on it was like the moment of never media heroes some of them really scientists you were like wow this person is really good in life as well and you know authentic and witty and smart and for nine yards but then there were maybe even more these completely opposite reactions where it was just better to close to the life when i say favorite i don't mean in terms of the entertainment value i really meant it in a way that like it it shows us and um it shows us something about the world and reality and history and the experiences of some of gives us a window into like what people have experienced and are experiencing in in wars and like i've i've been really going down um consuming a lot of like just like simple youtube documentaries about uh world war ii stories and there there are so so many like really and there's so much um yeah depth and like so much to so so many interesting stories about like everyday people like having these experiences especially like um like world war ii like bombers and fighter pilots um so uh just like documentaries even made by like small youtube channels are really um discovering a lot of interesting history uh here's a try I thought about the movie. I haven't seen it actually myself. It just has created the golden era of playback artists or scammers. Hey wow, Elon Musk followed me on here. Elon. I didn't know his

3:22:20 name was Elon. Is that like a South African? Elon sounds to do his tits by playback. Sometimes with the music so nice try elon so far caster has one client what is it called warp caster and it's closed source correct me if i'm wrong and then we've got blue sky which runs on they call the at protocol and i think blue sky is the only client for that and then we have mastodon and i don't even bother with mastodon because you don't even own your data if the server owner bans you that you're done so we have a joke on Nostra it's called Mastodont so god we're geeks okay so when you look at it like that I mean this is the landscape you got these three guys and then you got Nostra and on Nostra there's like a million clients so and it's all bitcoin based like we got the fundamentalists over here and don't get me wrong there's a lot of like front end devs that are over their head that aren't purists and don't truly understand like the principles but their heart is in the right place and they're surrounded by those types of people you know, the Bitcoin purists. And I think those types of fundamentals are important for not muddling something up with tons of unnecessary complexity. Don't get me wrong, lightning was a bit complex, so we're not perfect, but I think it's just the base, man. It's so simple. You just sign a note and you store the note on a computer and the computer just checks for different types of notes. One note represents your tweets, another note represents a like, another note represents a zap. It's very simple and then it all expands from there. So that simplicity combined with the Cambrian explosion of clients and the fact that Nostr was literally trending on GitHub with ChatGPT last year during the client explosion, I think it's lined up as the underdog.

3:24:13 This bumped into my feed so here's a list of Blue Sky clients. The feature idea for tagging on chits. When you're trying to find a person, it would be nice to somehow indicate those ones which you are following and maybe sort them and rank them first so they are quick to find. Because icons are pretty small and some people have the same names, so sometimes it's really hard to find who is who. Also notice that one of these latest versions changed that you cannot edit the chit after a while. So if you for example mistakenly tagged someone or you want to remove the tag, that's not possible anymore. reach out and touch faith how long does it take that there's a threat on air chat where the complete song is singed by the people here maybe one sentence per time and on air chat it's not rude to leave your comment because others can just ignore them so it's not a social conversation breaker you're absolutely right Petri, thanks to you I'm inspired I'm going to make some content today and just start yapping.

3:25:20 Any Depeche Mode fans in here? The music is also transcribed. Wow. I haven't seen this before. Is this a new feature? Before the launch, I talked a lot on here, but after, I think, the launch brought in a ton more people, people I look up to, respect, I think are cool. I think I'm a little bit more shy on here now. And on air chat, it's not rude to leave your comment because others can just ignore them. So it's not a social conversation breaker. You're absolutely right, Petri. Thanks to you, I'm inspired. I'm going to make some content today and just start yapping. I hope they don't do ads, but instead introduce paid plans with some extra features so that users will be able to subscribe to those. And that's how air chat would monetize.

3:26:08 But yeah, we'll see. maybe there would be some other more exciting avenues to monetize in the app. If I keep my answer, please subscribe to this weird kizmo. They are sponsoring me and now getting back to the message. Yeah, it would be totally, completely weird to have AirChat ads between in the middle and at the end of chat posts and in the feed. Sure, a listener can still get something out of it and will, and we will build a better listener experience. Eventually, you will just be able to go into AirChat, you'll have your favorite people, you'll have their best conversations, and you'll just hit the play button, and you can just put it on background like a radio and you can just listen. Or you can lurk for a long time until something really interesting comes up and you can just jump into it. Or you can use a channel or even one of our curated channels like the fishbowls to find the answer to some question that's been bothering you. You can use it to get advice. You can use it to get, you know, astrology reading, whatever. So there are lots of ways you can get something out of it passively. But.

3:26:59 The but is that now you can make friends on the internet. You can meet a new person and you can get to know them more quickly and more easily than you ever could online before. with your voice naturally. You can see how they perform in natural situations. You can see them in conversation with other people. You can figure out their vibe, their fit, their personality, and you can connect with them at a human level. This is the best place for making new friends on the internet. Full stop. Find me a better place to make new friends on the internet. Codesets are wormholes to another time and place, but in conversations. Well, that's definitely the first for me and maybe even for AirChat. Today at Tech Summit, I was recognized in the crowd by Stranger purely from my AirChat voice. Wow, that was so funny. I was just talking about it a few hours before you posted it. Well, that's definitely the first for me and maybe even for AirChat.

3:27:52 Today at Tech Summit, I was recognized in the crowd by Stranger purely from my AirChat voice. Hey, this is Van Jones. I am really excited to be a part of this. Still trying to figure out exactly what it is, but it looks cool. You know, the earth is made of stone, but the world is made of stories. So I'm always looking for new stories, new storytellers, and maybe I'll find some here. I hope so. Anyway, thanks for letting me in. Yeah, well, it's actually... Hang on, let's back up for a second. 30,000 people metric or imperial? 30,000 people with two feet. Help, someone is trying to distract me from air chat. It'd be really nice if you could somehow add emojis to this. It'd just add so much more delight for me. Very personal ask. Maybe nobody else wants it, but it'd be cool if you could explore it, Sigil 1. You know, it's funny.

3:28:39 Users have hacked our system to create name tags that anyone can mention. So if you search up the emoji, like some users just have it as their name, and you can just add it because it mentions their name. You guys are creative. I love it. So this is tonight's third episode of Fallout Lore, and we're going to dive a bit into history of Fallout 1 and 2 because Vassim asked an excellent question that I tried to answer. and then realized, oh my god, there is so many moving parts, there is so many absolutely random and brilliant coincidences that led to that happening, that we might as well just unpack the whole thing in a new episode of Fallout lore. And here we go. And I don't want to just focus on Lucas. There's like a whole crew of really funny people surrounding him. There's like Elmo, there's growing Daniel, who's a little more R-rated.

3:29:28 You know, there's a lot of good characters in this app. There's Kenzie, I forget, there's like people who stay in character. like there's that avatar airbender guy there's just some really imaginative people on here really imaginative and no well very few accounts are yet even starting to use video to do interesting things so i can't wait to see what they do there but if you're just a witty funny person like if you're a good conversationalist this is your place one of the problems with twitter you know which is which was my preferred medium is that it's just so easy to fake it you can literally sit there for a long time before you come up with the perfect 140 character thing which believe it actually wasn't my style. I used to tweet off the cuff. But then I would see like 200 reply guys show up and just rephrase what I said in slightly different ways. Or I would see people copying the same content a year later or two years later. And you kind of want to say, really? Let's talk in person. Get in the ring. Get on your feet. Let's see how good you actually are. And that's what I think this app does. It really allows the people who are incredibly witty to really shine or the people who are incredibly empathetic. Like if you listen to Sifi Wei talk, you literally want to cry. This man is so wise. He's got such humility, such wisdom. I'm about to destroy his account.

3:30:26 Sorry, Sifi Wei. But there's just some incredible people. And that's the beauty of it. You can just wander around like a pier and make friends with some of the most amazing human beings on earth that you would never get to meet otherwise. So we have this huge divide now. There are the mega, mega stars in society, the ones who can make a huge living being stars. And then there are all the people who get nothing. And I think that when you have a peer-to-peer platform that flattens the hierarchy much more, then you have a chance for a larger number of people to make a living, like Priyanka with her singing and her art and, you know, all the comedy, of course. There's gonna a lot of different kinds of artists here who I hope will be able to have moderate size fan bases that they have a personal touch with. Basically, anyone who can create anything or even conversationally can connect with people can now do it with maybe a few hundred or a thousand people as opposed to just tens of people or, you know, a hundred people. But it's going to increase their reach by a factor of 10. But it's not the case where it takes the best person and increases their reach by a factor of a hundred thousand. Although that could happen, but I think it's going to be a flatter hierarchy you here. All of that said, I fundamentally don't think this is an influencer platform. This is really about talking to and connecting to other people. It's a social messenger. Like when you're messaging with someone on WhatsApp or Signal or WeChat or whatever, it's flat. You're just talking to another human being. You're not above them. You're not below them. You're not looking to collect fans. People who have a lot of followers or are following a lot of people in this app actually have a negative experience because they have too many people talking to them. It's like being at a party and you get mobbed. It becomes overwhelming after a certain point. You can't engage in an in-depth conversation with anybody. And which is also kind of why we have these fishbowl channels, right, where you can sort of be hanging out with your small group, other people can kind of peek in and eventually make the barrier more permeable. So you'll be able to pull people in or, you know, go out for a conversation. But you do need to have like smaller and smaller rooms as you get more and more popular, because otherwise, your time just doesn't scale. Again, this is about conversations. This is not about talking to other people. We have this idea that every social media platform should be about influencers and hierarchy. That is completely wrong. That's just the way the internet has developed so far. That doesn't mean that that's the only way to do social on the internet. Absolutely. I agree that it'll be a comedian, but I don't think it'll be a stand-up comic. A stand-up comic stands on stage and broadcasts. I think it's more like the performers who work the audience, like in those shows like Sleep No More or at a Circus when you'll have

3:32:31 people going through and talking in the audience, or if you're in Washington Square Park in New York and the performer is right up and close next to you. So for that reason, I don't think it creates the same kind of star, but it does create a different kind of star, someone who interacts with the audience to create their content. I mean, I don't want to butter them up, but my favorite account on here right now is Lucas, because the guy is just always on. And he's not only funny, but he's witty. And, you know, he's insightful. And he's got some good competition. I mean, there's some accounts on here that are, I would say, equally funny, but they cross the line sometimes. There's some brilliant, brilliant voice actors and characters already on here. And I think we've become sort of an attraction point for everyone who would have been a great star before the media business came along. And what the media business did was it turned to a certain kind of performer, and it made them winner take all. And it took every other performer, every other kind of artist and relegated them to nothing. Yeah, funnily enough, it's actually Gary Tan who introduced me to Mixprite 3.

3:33:22 And, well, the mic is not by him, but that was when the clubhouse came about and he upgraded my stuff. Are you recording audio through the mixer on your computer? Is that hooked into your phone? Well, it's actually both, but the main connection is between the mobile device and the audio interface. but I have also plugged in the computer to the audio interface as an audio source so I can play music or sound effects or something coming from the computer and then I can hear it here as well. So I have some audio effects and some music and stuff I even put today and they came from the computer. But they were recorded directly on the AirChat via the audio interface. I'd forgotten how much I hate traditional media until I read a few articles published about them in the past couple of days. negativity sells, clickbaits sells, and there's usually not enough time to do proper journalism nowadays.

3:34:16 Yeah, funnily enough, it's actually Gary Tan who introduced me to Mixpride 3, and, well, the mic is not by him, but that was when the clubhouse came about and upgraded my stuff. What has been your most efficient setup? Because I've been hosting spaces, I do everything on my phone. I don't like the sound quality right now, especially when I don't have a mic as far as a headphone. But what are you using as far as like a real setup for good quality sound when you're either doing a podcast or Spaces or Clubhouse or hosting, you're talking on this? If you want to test your ears, pick up the best headset you have. And then on this, this block blast has five different audio sources. And try to guess which is which. I recorded four of them at the same time and one in a separate session because of a technical issue with my USB hub. was broken, but it's basically the same stuff and it should sound completely different and most likely to be surprised and also disappointed of the results. I think you're both right, the voice component actually creates a lot of empathy and accountability. And actually if you look at Clubhouse, that was part of the theory too, is like oh we're using our voice, we're not going to be as mean to each other, but Clubhouse was somewhat ephemeral in that it was real time, people weren't thinking through what they were saying, they got heated, they got angry, and they spoke up. In this case, it's a little different. It's async, so you have time to think through your thoughts, hopefully not speak out in an emotional state, but also you know it's permanent and it's replayable. And so I do think there might be more stability on average. But it's early days too, and when it's early, it's always nice and shiny and people are happy and that will change.

3:35:50 The previous chitties for my setup, and this is something I put together last year because there was quite many people asking about it. And there are now other options, and everybody has a different voice. So what works for me may not work for you. So I'll put it together so you can get it even for free if you like, and check it out. Actually, I'm meeting with my partner this week and talking about the kind of media we want to create. And one change is that AI is coming that could ingest a YouTube video in less than a minute and watch it and summarize it for you, right? and so now we're like oh do we do long videos just for AIs and there's I think there's something there right and I'd certainly like your idea of giving me a summary of the day that's happened here tell me you know you know give me five uh air chats I really should listen to for instance and take me right to why I should listen to them um I'm using uh rewind now it's called something else they just changed their name and I keep forgetting the new name but I'm using rewind AI on my Macintosh to listen to my meetings and it records my meetings in video and audio and then it writes a transcript and then it summarizes those and it's quite quite magical on the summary I use it in my business meetings with uh with my partner um and it summarizes what we did that in the last two hours right and it's quite quite useful so I hope you get what you want a summary tool I wish I had that for all my lists you know hey hey Grock uh show me you know tell me uh uh Tell me if any company on the AI company list announces anything new today, right?

3:37:19 Well, they should be able to do that because it's just a bunch of patterns. Introducing, announcing, launching, right? You have an AI that watches for some of the keywords like that. It can find announcements pretty efficiently. That's what I do, right? And AI can do what I do faster and better. So great idea. I really hope we get these summary tools much more deeply integrated here and on X and Facebook and wherever else we need to be summary, where we need to save time on consumption of content. I want to jump in here really quick because another really cool summary tool that I've come across recently is called JellyPod. And it's really good if you subscribe to a lot of newsletters. So I subscribe to a lot of AI-related newsletters, the Rundown, the Neuron, things like that. I'm probably subscribed to 20 different AI newsletters.

3:38:08 And what JellyPod does is it gives you a unique email address. You go and subscribe to a whole bunch of email newsletters with this unique JellyPod email address. And then what it does is every single day, it makes you a little five to 10 minute audio podcast episode where it breaks down all of the news, all of the information from all of the newsletters that you subscribe to. So in one 10-minute podcast, you can quickly summarize 10 different newsletters on a single topic, and you can go and create different podcasts for different topics. So you can have like an AI podcast where you subscribe to a bunch of AI newsletters, creator podcast where you subscribe to a bunch of YouTuber creator newsletters. So a really, really cool tool that is still way under the radar. I think it might just be one person or a very small team building it, but really, really handy, really useful. I get the podcast delivered to me on my phone. And once a day, I get a nice little recap of here's all of the news going on in the AI world, according to all of the AI newsletters I'm subscribed to. So just another one to take a peek at.

3:39:00 I think it's really cool, but still way under the radar. It was a life-changing experience. Live TV trains you to think on your toes, and it just gives you superpowers in public speaking and all that. So it was really cool. Also makes you realize how BS a lot of talking heads on TV are. Half the time, I didn't know anything about what they were asking me, and I had to pick out the spot. So super interesting, wildly interesting experience. Good morning, Air Chatters. I have achieved 90 minutes of sleep, and I am back and ready to spam your timeline with more messages. That sounded like a good old-fashioned radio DJ voice from the 80s. Hi, everybody. Please welcome Paul Davison and Rohan Seth, pioneers of the live audio format on Clubhouse, onto Air Chat. Welcome, gentlemen. Hope you're well.

3:40:17 than a year are slim, at least based on app development. My brothers and I were the first Apple child laborers. This happened back in 1978 when my mom got a job from a woman named Hilde Licht, who still owns or runs a contract electronics company here in Silicon Valley. Well, back in 1978, she got a job from Apple to build Apple II motherboards and because Apple ran out of capacity in their factory, I learned later from Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, and she hired housewives in Silicon Valley to build these motherboards and my mom was one of those housewives. We lived in Cupertino, California and lived there from 1971 to 1979, obviously before Apple started, and My dad was an engineer back then working at Lockheed Martin, and he built a workstation for my mom to solder these motherboards.

3:41:21 And she paid my brothers and I a dollar a motherboard to stuff them full of components. You know, we'd put the CPU in and we'd put transistors and capacitors and all sorts of little components in the right way. And it took some skill, but not a whole lot of skill. You had to make sure the transistors were put in the right way and in the right holes, that kind of thing. It wasn't that hard a job, but it was something to do. Well, we all watched TV in the evening and earned a little extra money. And then she would solder them. And then she would pay us to cut the leads off the bottom of the motherboard. Because if you put it like a transistor in or a resistor, it would have two leads sticking out the other side. Once you solder them, you had to cut them off. And so we would cut them off. And then once we were done with that, we would stick them in the dishwasher and wash the flux off of them. Later, I mean, later I got to meet Steve Wozniak and I actually met him in a community college parking lot, which is sort of a weird story. I'll tell some other time. But later I got to interview him in front of Berkeley's business school. And we talked about this. And he said those motherboards had fewer failures than the ones that their own factory made. So a little fun story. If I didn't do that job, I wouldn't be who I am today.

3:42:33 I wouldn't have met Steve Wisnack in a community college parking lot. I wouldn't have known who he was. I knew who he was because I fell in love with his mother ports because they were the most beautiful thing I had ever seen up to that point. You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself. Is this an actual feature? I think this would be awesome to capture personal notes. Yes, it is a new feature. Probably first on an iPhone, but I'm not sure whether it's in the app store yet. Siegel, you guys need a social media manager and basically, I think maybe a social media board, so that everyone who has a significant following on any given social media platform can boost each other's posts and boost the whoever's running the AirChat social media profiles can boost those posts as well. That is the way to do it.

3:43:23 There is a strategy to operating social media that I can support on. What do you mean? The future of social media is here. If you're looking backwards, that's where the rest of the media is. Who wants to do the old stuff? Because it doesn't matter. It's the legacy. No, the old stuff is just the carrot to lead people here. And I agree with you. I live on Twitter. Alex, that could be even a hot take here. That's awesome, man. I'm curious, how do you go about ingesting as much AI news as possible to distill into one of these Thursday Eye episodes? I live on Twitter. No, I'm sorry. It just said ER chat. Please someone can teach me how to say ER chat. Yeah, I would love to say it well and get it well transcribed.

3:44:21 What's Twitter? with your ex-social media. Benny, I was a young kid in the 1980s and I remember those lines used to exist and I thought they were a great idea but I couldn't use them because I couldn't afford them and I always loved the concept and you're absolutely right, AirChat is inspired by the party lines. So welcome back to the 1980s. I'm glad we're here together. Long distance was expressly prohibited. We would not dare. We wouldn't dare. But when I was 16 I got a job at a real estate company on the weekends, answering phone calls, copy editing, the realtor's stuff. And then when everybody was out showing houses, I would call Hartford to my favorite radio station, WHCN, and I would request songs. And once I even won concert tickets. It was a good time to be alive. As someone who's never been at a startup, but I've always admired the whole industry from afar, it's just very cool to see how everything comes together. And on that note, I am quite curious about the structure and the goings on inside of the company.

3:45:17 Like how do you guys manage things, make sure things progress in a timely way? Who's in charge of making sure things are shipped at certain deadlines or in a timely way? I'm curious about all that kind of organizational stuff. We're completely disorganized. It's mayhem in here. I had a shower thought that if English is your second language, you can pretty much choose what accent you want. Like for those of us who are native English speakers, that would be pretty socially unacceptable. But I think it'd be kind of funny, you know, to like choose like a deep south American Cajun accent or something. Or something like the Manchester Hull or Scottish accent if you're picking from England. You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself.

3:46:09 Now I have a feature request. Would someone make it so you can export the personal chat in a compatible file? That would be awesome in terms of having this journal of sorts. Funny and not so funny, if you were to dev. Anyone else wondering what's the reason that EarChat just naturally gels and resonates in the teens to thirties cohort? And the ear gets a lot thinner in forties and up. I'm still scratching my head over this. I can't tell if it's a tech thing, a generational difference, or if it's an introvert, extrovert thing or something else. The instantaneous nature of back and forth and the voice as an easy and quick interface, I think that appeals to the younger generation's voice in general. Obviously, it might go for older generations, but I think for the older generations, it might be also the fear of talking publicly and the nature of it.

3:47:04 it's just too unfamiliar. They haven't put their faces and voices and texts on Twitter's and YouTubes and TikTok's in public. They've been doing that more in a private surroundings, on private groups and within their friends and family. Are you sure the challenge is 30 days air chat? I was thinking the challenge would be 30 days without air chat. I think the challenge lies on the battery of my phone. Before I use air chat, I normally charge my phone overnight. I can use it the whole day without any problem. After I use air chat, I have to charge my phone two or three times during the day. I think voice actually consuming more energies, more electricity. This is fun. On a side note, I'm at Niagara, Canada side. And we have this company event called Blue Cat Kickoff. And so it's like a big event. I knew you meant at the beginning of the fiscal year, we kick off. We gather everybody together. We kick off. We celebrate the wins of last year. We have fun for three days at Niagara, Canada.

3:48:23 And I'm going to share some photos of it. And just to share a little bit. I don't think I need a long post. So I'm going to stop here and continue with another one. Thank you for listening. The priority piece is that you have a regular phone and then you have an iPad which has a huge battery. So that way you always have one device good to go and talk. I've been wondering to myself, why is AirChat so collegial? Is it because we can only invite people that we actually have their phone numbers to? And there's this implicit culture of introducing people that we've invited? Or is it because the founding team actually goes out of their way to like and repost chits that they think make up a great vibe? And of course, they themselves are great role models like Nabil and Sigil and Brian trying to set the tone right. I think there are a couple of lessons here that we can learn when building a new team or onboarding someone to a new team.

3:49:14 Still need to think it through. There's been test users for quite a while already, and they've been probably helping to set the tone and the culture. But most of all, it's the founders who've been picking the team and who've been also picking handpicking the first pill testers of the app. So all these are part of the feeling experience. Hey, Mark. I think this is an interesting conversation that you're raising here because it has ironic parallels to the human AI pin versus Marcus Brownlee conversation that's also happening right now. I'll link it here, but I don't know. I'm not sure that journalists have a responsibility to entrepreneurs, even if they're young startups that are up and coming. I think that's PR. I wonder if, you know, like I think journalists, their modus operandi is to focus on the truth, asking hard questions and getting answers for the audience. Right. And not to equate at all AirChat with Humanae Aipin.

3:50:08 I mean, I love AirChat and the experience of it. And I really wanted to succeed because I'm getting a lot out of it. I've made friends here already, even in such a short period of time, etc. And maybe journalists, some journalists are not like speaking to that, but I'm not sure that that's their job, right? I don't know. I'm really glad you brought this up. I think Marcus Brownlee is a national treasure and his reviews are epic because they focus on the product. He dresses down Fisker, Human AI pin, goes through, he just shares his experience. I would love to have reporters in a Marcus Brownlee type fashion review the experience of AirChat. That's the point. That's what I was kind of getting at. I have no idea what the terms and conditions are of the human AI pin. They're probably pretty interesting and pretty gnarly. You're wearing this camera on your body all the time. It's much more intrusive than what we're doing here. And my criticism was because this, I, you know, it's like, I'm not afraid of truth. I'm not afraid of someone diving into this product and pulling it apart in a Marcus Brownlee type of way that, you know, takes, have someone use AirChat for a week and then here's my experience for it. That would be amazing. Also, I don't know if you saw like 10 hours ago or whatever, he posted a video like do negative reviews kill companies. And he has a really good point in there. He's like, look, companies should live or die by their products. And a few negative reviews should not take a company down. If the product is good and their customers like it, it will live. And I agree with him on that. I'll link that back here too. It is interesting though. I mean, I like the tension between a free press and companies. I would never suggest for the press to change their kind of acute way of observing companies. I think they are a huge benefit to helping us as consumers kind of get a clear picture of things. They do fight the good fight. They do ask the hard questions. I was definitely challenging like okay that's cool question but let's let's actually review the product let's tell the story of the product and let's like have a conversation about what this thing is because i think for me i just think it's way more interesting like i said earlier uh here i'll go ahead and link that how are people on here following like 1k plus or 11k plus people like where are you finding that

3:52:15 many people is this from like your discovery feed or did the onboarding change what's going on if you follow the founders brian and naval that's how you can find a lot of people and they also talk rating by replying to a lot of posts. So that's a really good way of discovering new people as well. Hey everyone. So I saw some intros and realized I didn't introduce myself yet. So my name is Kallar. I grew up in Vancouver, Canada, and I've always been obsessed with space. After high school, I decided to full-time gap year where I learned a ton. I lived in SF hacker houses like Genesis, where I was also where I seeded my first company. I dabbled in crypto for a bit. I went to my first crypto conference, EVE Denver, 2022, where actually Sejal and I caught COVID while rooming together. Yeah, those were fun times. But today I go to UC Berkeley where I study Electrical Engineering and CS. I'm currently working on projects aiming to build the first cities on Mars. So right now I'm working on a rover to collect regolith and turn into sulfurized concrete for an outer shell of a Martian habitat, as well as a NASA payload that we're sending later this year aboard Virgin Galactic. On the side, I really love flying drones and making short films. So if anyone wants to go hiking and fly drones in the bay, let me know. describes themselves in their profile. I'm waiting for the day when the lie detector analyzer is implemented on AirChat based on your voice. What comes to the engagement mechanism, you will only see posts by the people who you're following. So the web of trust is implemented here. And what comes to your feed is the people you follow, if they reply or they engage with some people outside of your network, you will see those. Then you can also join channels, can give you exposure to topics like AI and books and what's already in there. So this way you can also explore and get new stuff. This is actually genius. This is what I wanted for every single social media platform I've ever used. And no, it's just a step. You didn't have to even ask. That's great.

3:54:18 Yeah, the same thing is on Nost as well, some of the clients, Nost 2, Iris, and I'm not sure whether Damos has also been implementing it. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. Okay, now this is something I can get behind, but is this an iOS feature or something? I can't seem to send a message to myself on Android. Yeah, it's on iPhone at the moment. A dark turn of events. Stop flexing at me. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. The disappointment, you can actually get some work done. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. I wish AirShed can always stay small. It really feels like a friend group.

3:55:08 It stays if you only follow a handful of people. I know it's all a work in progress. I'm just saying from a thematic standpoint. The idea of channels being private yet in the main feed doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have the same notion, it's like the previous rooms, but on the other hand then when they are user-made and moderated and admin, then it's up to the admin to do that. It's proven, EARCHAT can make Britons happy. I've heard about it for a while now, so this is the push that I needed to actually try it. AirTrap badly needs like a 2x or 3x speed up button because everyone talks really slow relative to how fast most people can read. How do you think we do our work while we're waiting for the slow 3x? We do the work. That's the parallel async mode. There's this thought process that pitch decks should include a "why now" section, which is like a "why now" is the right time for this technology or product to be built.

3:56:09 I'm personally not a huge believer in that because I don't know, it just seems kind of stupid to have to tell people why now is the right time let them figure it out for themselves, or they probably already decided by then to get to that page, anyway, I just thought it was funny in terms of AirChat the why now for AirChat is that this audio transcription technology didn't exist previously and so this entire thing wouldn't have even been possible so, you know, these guys can put that in their pitch deck as if they need it, but I just thought that was pretty funny I don't think we need why now. Period. Well imagine you being Benz or you being the bell with the telegram or phone or with the guy inventing the car and you're having these slides and people are looking at you like crazy. What are you talking about? You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself. As if I need an app to talk to myself. Ha! That's the spirit. talking to each other on the phone. And you could eavesdrop into any conversation. And at any point, you could make a bid to enter that conversation. And if your bid was successful, then you could end up talking to one of those people. That's what's going on here. What matters is the immediacy of hearing those conversations and having the opportunity to get in there. It's just about finding a connection, making a connection, and having a connection with another human.

3:57:29 Back in the 80s, we had these things called phone chat lines. You paid about $2.99 a minute to talk to whoever you wanted to, and everybody was chattering around you. And then you could pay a little bit more to go off on a side call and then your mom and dad would get the bill and it would be like four or five hundred dollars and then your ass would be in a lot of trouble. So yeah it's kind of like that but a lot more organized. Is this party lines the AI style? Is the 80s starting to finally recycle? Is Gen X gonna have our day in AI technology? My heart Swooneth, this is why I love millennials and those below. Y'all rock. Looks like the new self DM is live. Just talk. To yourself. Everybody wanna be somebody. So there's like a take and hide going on with Zips. Light and a dark mode. Petri, I saw that, I saw that. It is dark here, but not dark enough. I want it dark everywhere.

3:58:31 Wow, that's dark. Good one, good one. I love that. I still don't have the dark mode. I just updated my app. My Indian friends there, have you got the dark mode on? Isn't it getting dark already? I want it to be dark. It's not. I like it. I like it. There was a time when actually no one on this platform could pronounce the word bicycle, mainly because of a system-wide lisp, but actually because Cameron, I think, had masked it out of the transcription database. However, wait a minute. Hear me out. What if we take the words LinkedIn and we mask it over just to be polite? And when people say LinkedIn, it's fine, but it gets transcribed as Jesus fucking Christ, go back to Clubhouse.

3:59:21 No, I completely missed that. Maybe it was before my time. A dark turn of events. Yeah, I guess you just called me hot. Technically correct. That's the word if your pants are on fire. Where are you located? Maybe it hasn't hit my region of the app store yet. I'm in Texas. I'm not part of AirChat, so I don't have those privileges. But personally, I switched back to light mode, so you're not missing much. You will not see some fonts while you're typing and stuff like that, so it's not polished. So you will live with the light mode. 10-4. I'll take part two. No farmer in history has ever stayed up at night wondering about the chicken and the egg problem.

4:00:13 But I guess they haven't figured out the complexity of helper spaces and how many vectors can be involved in a dirty dozen of X. A dark turn of events. It's the iOS version and it might be only test flight at the moment. I'm not sure. I switched back to light mode because search box was, well, the box wasn't disappearing, but you couldn't see anything when you're typing, so it's not perfect. But I also have, you know, my custom instructions have some stuff that's relevant to how I like my code to be generated as well. Soon we will see who are the light and who are the dark persons. One of my favorite things about great hotels are pillow menus, so I can try out all different types of pillows and see what works best for me. I have a sleep coach and I really struggle with sleep, so this is a great way for me to test out something new without having to commit. Oh, that's a sensor.

4:01:04 What I was showing on the U-Bed is actually a customizable bed. so the mattresses you can make it as soft or as hard and I don't know what else you can actually customize with it so it's for hotels and hotels been using it so it's supposed to be really good I haven't tested it myself a dark turn of events battery and unity you are crazy guys you have such a long conversation I tried to follow but it's like too long there were videos so it was not exactly the audio only version so that adds to the gigabytes It's proven AirChat can make Britons happy. Okay, got it. Good morning. And if we ever do, then we know whether we have the first LinkedIn poser here. Congratulations on the new job.

4:01:57 Getting too attached to your identity is a double-edged sword. It can hurt you or it can help you. But for now, I identify as immortal. and I only do things that an immortal would do, and I'm good with that. It seems you're already floating like an immortal thanks to air chat and all the hot air. You just properly walked on the water. Was it two hours yesterday? Dubai is the strongest magnet for all of the biggest eagles of the world. Yeah, if it would be a black hole there would be no water issue at the moment, so the vortex hasn't exactly emerged yet, neither the drainage. There ain't no way anybody else is using the app for eight and a half hours a day. Well, let's wait for Naval's response. There ain't no way anybody else is using the app for eight and a half hours a day. The launch weekend was pretty wild.

4:02:54 This is a good sign. Kevin is cooking and the hot air is steaming, but the only thing we see here is the air. I noticed that the joke might be that the Italians are enjoying the espressos in a social setting in real life and the rest of Europe are drinking and spending time on air chat. Now I get it, it's actually the ALGO. That's how they're learning the LLM and training it. So they are allocating and dedicating one single word for a user. And that user then will be the one to train the system for that particular one. So it's like the new Captcha and they're just rolling it out and you're the first one and you've got the lottery winner, everyone. I'm not sure that I can call it Italian coffee, but at least it's an Italian coffee machine, you know. It has a French price. I actually usually drink with a senseo, but I don't have any more capsule, so let me send you a quick picture of it. I noticed that the joke might be that the Italians are enjoying their espressos in a social setting in real life, and the rest of the Europe are drinking and, well, spending time on the air chat.

4:03:58 Holy Jesus! That sounded like a high praise for a social media app. I feel like other entrepreneurs, the ones who know how hard it is, never say this sucks. They go with like, well, here's how it could work, here's how it might not work, you know, but mostly focused on path forward as opposed to just like stop here and do something else. They usually give you the critical feedback, which is actually greatly appreciated if you're truly a builder because getting feedback, any kind of feedback usually is also hard. So the silent treatment is not your friend in this regard as well. So the positive, constructive criticism is the best kind. You know what really sucks in startup India? When you work on something and the default response from people around you is, this sucks, this is not going to work, who needs it, and so forth.

4:04:54 And it's like, it's not, I'm used to it. but it doesn't get any more pleasant with time. You just get used to it being like, eh, carry on. But maybe it's a sign that I need to surround myself with more people who would provide better feedback. What do you think? That's a pretty usual response. Entrepreneurs are quite a different breed. You understand the pain of building, creating something, but it's not a familiar world for the rest, so they don't see it the same way, so they don't appreciate what you've been going through, and they mainly see things from their perspective. So in that way, if you're looking for validation, you're looking for some kind of bat on the back, that usually doesn't happen. But it's not just apps and software. It's also if you're writing a book or some other things, and usually people might be a little bit of jealous because they've always been thinking of writing a book, and then you just do it.

4:05:44 And yeah. So look for the people who are already building something else, and you get the feedback, and they appreciate it. But once in a while, you might have one or two of the friends who really appreciate what you do, even though they are not maybe doing the same thing, and those are the ones to keep. Has Slack entered the air chat? Does anyone else find it hilarious that the acronym of this channel is AA, which is the same acronym as Alcohol Anonymous? Yeah, it's not an addiction group. It's called Absolute Earshadows. Absolute Earshadows? Moshi Moshi AI. Hi, how you been doing? I share beautiful Sakura Cherry Brossom from Tokyo. Oh, from Kyoto. My bad. But why not croissant? I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to change the spelling of names so that it tags them properly. I've said names a few times in posts and sometimes it'll get the last name right or the first name right. Even when I tag it below, it doesn't really change the spelling in the actual post. So just seeing if I'm missing something. You cannot change the transcript, but you can tag a person, so that's the way to do it. I suppose people who went through those dark periods, they knew how bad the pain was, and therefore it allowed them to understand how good the happiness, or the joy, was. You can see it in the culture, and for example in the 20s, we're called Roaring 20s in the West. Getting like zero engagements on an air chat post feels like when you tell a joke and like nobody laughs.

4:07:20 Are you talking if nobody is replying? I want to say it's slow so that this super fast speed makes it look like normal talk. Let's see how does it feel like. This is a slow talk, I think. You can change the playback beat by pushing the play/pause button along pressing it and you can change it from 1x to 3x and 2x is the default so you don't need to speak slower. This is the most peculiar closed channel I have found, Will's ideas. Actually, are people able to make their own closed channels now? Or any channels at all? Not yet. You have to know the founders or the devs and then you might get some exceptions, but they are not open yet. But they are building it, so it's coming soon.

4:08:09 Hey, so channels are super alpha right now and we really don't have any idea how they're going to work, but it sounds like something that you could probably make use of a channel for in the future. This is the most peculiar closed channel I have found, Will's Ideas. So if you go to my Twitter profile, it's just my full name, you'll see the video that we made yesterday, myself and Jesse. And the R1, I think 9 out of 10 times beat the Humane pin in speed and accuracy.

4:09:06 I think of all the tests we did, and it is like a long video, it's a 40 minute video where we're trying like as many comparable features as we can. And I think there was one occasion where the pin outdid us on one query and everything else, the R1 performed much better. So if you have some time, go check out the video. What would it take to implement AirChat into R1? When AirChat pin. But maybe the real question is whether it should be in the Rabbit. Once LinkedIn finds out about AirChat, it's over for this app. No, it's over for LinkedIn. Then those chat GPT, social marketing, SEO, fine-tuned and polished posts will be done with 11 lapsed voices. The friend's headset looks pretty quiet. I wonder is everybody still sleeping or is that the new habit? Shhh, Tom is still sleeping. My bad.

4:10:02 Are there any folks here who have the humane pin? I'm really curious as to your reactions to it. Do you find any use cases that it serves super well that let's say a smartphone can't handle as well. And a bonus question is, did you take a look at the Marques Brownlee YouTube review of the Humane Pin? Did you think that it was fair? Do you think it was too harsh? I'm really curious. Hi, Eric. I do not own the Humane Pin, but I tested it yesterday. So I work at Rabbit. We make the Rabbit R1. Lots of people say that I guess we're competitor companies, but we did have one in the office yesterday and myself and Jesse, our CEO, recorded a video putting it through its paces. I think Marques' review is bang on. The device is very inconsistent. The launch weekend was pretty wild. Hi, my name is Neeraj.

4:10:51 It's been a couple minutes since my last post, and I'm an addict. There is an unsolved problem in social audio, especially given that podcasts are such a weird, messed-up format. But is this audio, or is this dictation? Is there actually a new engagement mechanic here? What comes to the engagement mechanism, you will only see posts by the people who you're following. So the web of trust is implemented here. And what comes to your feed is the people you follow, if they reply or they engage with some people outside of your network, you will see those. Then you can also join channels which can give you exposure to topics like AI and books and what's already in there. So this way you can also explore and get new stuff.

4:11:39 Real light talk is so ephemeral. EerTzit saves your bangers and make them viral. Holy cow, I had a bunch of chats going with him yesterday. I'm going to use them for my content creation for the EerChat TikTok. Yay! Thank you so much. I can't believe I was chatting with him several times back and forth yesterday. That's so wild. Okay, thank you for the information. This one was probably one of the first ones coming out for the new version. Okay, Andrew Wang, do you want to create the AirChat Anonymous channel? It could just be A, A, and then write out the bio for it. Thanks, Andrew. I got a TikTok banger many years back with the screen time thing, so I think that might be some of the content which makes people curious and also might get them excited about their chat. Your phone will tell whether you need this one.

4:12:30 I think it's time for AirChat Anonymous or AirChat Addicts or AA in short here on AirChat as a topic or whatever you call them, community. Sigil, I know you're busy. I am going to take over that one and admin that. I think it's the continuation from the previous AirChat. Given the amount of time I already spent here and given the amount of addiction that I see going around, I think it's time. Join, but don't get too addicted. yes instagram youtube shorts go at it make things blow up um let's experiment with the format whatever format works great i'll program it into the app so that you can one click and it goes to uh shorts with that video in your format but you can use whatever editor editing um stuff to experiment with uh i'm excited to see it go get your username this is a community collective air chat uh figure out how to share funny ass conversations this is going to be so Flippin' fun! Dark mode may ship tomorrow morning, but also I hear you. Our feed recommendations are being worked on. Cameron's upgrading it. There's a lot of iterations here, but we are aiming to improve fast. And I hear you. I hear you very well. Yeah!

4:13:47 Embrace yourselves. Dark mode is coming. Yes, Instagram, YouTube shorts. Go at it. Make things blow up. Let's experiment with the format. Whatever format works great. I'll program it into the app so that you can one click and And it goes to shorts with that video in your format, but you can use whatever editor editing stuff to experiment with. I'm excited to see it. Go get your username. This is a community collective air chat. Figure out how to share funny ass conversations. There's a lot of good stuff here already. Sort of genuinely authentic jokes and comebacks and witty stuff. And it's just a matter of putting it out there. I agree. How do I find the right person to run this? but I would say that the best way is just to browse the feed and see the genuine conversations what are happening here just to doing a blunt screenshot it's not fancy but somebody gets the idea and if the content is hilarious and it's small enough doing a little bit of these for a while and it will catch up somehow indeed that's already been requested by Alex Cicill the people who have spoken multiple times give us the channel Cicill might do it But I think there's a current ban for new channels to be created.

4:15:00 Does anyone else just feel really awkward talking to their phone like this? Wasn't that the original idea of a phone to talk? Never regard something as doing you good. If it makes you break your word or lose your self-respect. Then makes you hate, suspect or execrate. It can't be doing you good. If it makes you act a hypocrite or too desire for anything. Best done behind closed doors. damn dude i was just joking memeing aren't we all buddy this is the new roasting app yo when are we getting dark mode one of these days i only post clickbait chick bait robert chick bait introducing my friend patry friedman patry is a fun and interesting and playful and creative individual who knows how to build and dance and organize and create the social conditions that really encourage us to be our freest and best selves. Many of you in the freedom, libertarian-oriented ecosystems likely know Patry for being a key founder of the Startup City movement. He's been in the space for over 20 years.

4:16:08 He founded the Sea-Setting Institute, which was the first organization that explored what it looks like to build a sovereign jurisdiction on the water. And he now runs a VC fund called Pronomos Capital, which is focused on investing in startup cities that are building sovereign infrastructure to explore new and interesting and creative ways to socially organize and live in free ways. So yeah, welcome, Patrick to AirChat. Introducing my friend Patrick Friedman. Patrick is a fun and interesting and playful and creative individual who knows how to build and dance and organize. Patrick, welcome to the AirChat experience. It's been a while we saw each other. I don't even remember. Maybe 15 years ago. No, I think then. Dude, do you want to help? If you create it, make it blow up. I'll give you any username you want. Just figure out how to blow up your chat TikTok. Help us iterate. This same proposition goes for other people. Isn't this the most familiar format? The one where, like to me, it's a DM format. So maybe a DM of two persons or a group doing some stuff. You probably need a customized account to make it funny. And then you can have it as a controlled.

4:17:15 Is anyone I know a part of the books channel on air chat? Can you invite me? I don't know how that works actually. Because you can't request. Anyway, I can read most of the words and have maybe read at least four words. I think it's a free channel, so it's open to join. Maybe have you checked that you have updated AppVersion, or if you're on Android, I'm not sure whether it's yet available. I was trying to explain to a consulting client that the Docker image that we all use to train models, Axolotl, that that's just one person doing that. It's just some guy. His name is Wing Lian, and he's here. Welcome, Wing. Hey Akira, I recently listened to the book about Elon Musk. It's a big one, so reading would take a lot more time and I would actually go back and forth between reading and listening. I have a Kindle and I have an audiobook subscription and I sync those. And so whenever I'm in bed, for example, I read the Kindle and then if I'm working out or something, then I go to the audiobook and continue listening to it because it just picks up where you left on your Kindle and vice versa.

4:18:23 By the way, big fan of your tracks, and I have quite a few of them in my playlist when I listen to them when I work out. A few of my favorites are about discipline, so those are pretty good. Thanks. Books by Sancaro are also high quality. Only my favorite pair of walking shoes have drowned. Fatality reported. But I'm fine. It was a good adventure. I guess rubber boots are the hot item now drop shipped as we speak. There's probably already 20k people here. My guess is it's way, way more. Yeah, absolutely. Not everybody knows the founders. Hi, Naval. I think I'm doing this right. Dave Lee here. I'm a columnist with Bloomberg. I tried to reach you via email, but your bounce back says you don't bother with email anymore, which is fair enough. So here I am. I've written a column examining the terms and conditions for AirChat.

4:19:18 And my reading makes it, I mean, it looks like it's clear that the company can do pretty much as it pleases with the user submissions, including using them to make AI models at some point in the future. I did see a response to Lauren from Wired when she asked about this, but I wondered if you were considering maybe updating these terms to provide some actual reassurance in writing to users of AirChat, because these terms seem pretty broad to me. If you want to reply here, fine, I'll be checking it. If not, I've sent you my details via email. Cheers. Yeah, we'll take a look at it. I mean, terms and conditions are written by some combination of lawyers and chat GPT these days. So no human actually knows what the heck they actually say. I mean, if we use the data to improve our internal models, to make the transcription and to make the product better without revealing user data, individual user data or compromising privacy, we would probably do so. If, on the other hand, it would reveal individual user data or compromise user privacy, we wouldn't do that. If it would be used to train synthetic voices of the users without their permission, their explicit opt-in permission, we wouldn't do that either.

4:20:12 So I think this is kind of the stance that almost everyone is taking these days. We're not in the AI model business. And I think that's what you really have to think through here. Like companies that are in the AI model business will do whatever it takes to get their hands on that sweet, sweet data. We're not in the AI model business. So that's not what we'd use it for. I think with social media, generally, the issue is more that they use this kind of data for targeted advertising and things of that nature. And I know Facebook gets in a lot of trouble for that. But we have no plans to run ads yet either. But, you know, look, terms and conditions are written by lawyers and ChatGPT, as I said, these days, probably more by ChatGPT. So going through some magnifying glass exercise right now to figure out exactly how to word this, when I've got mountains of code to write and tons of product to build and lots of users to respond to, it's just a complete waste of time. So everybody settle down. It'll be fine. Hang around. And if you're that paranoid about terms and conditions, if you're the kind of person who would read the terms and conditions in excruciating detail and get your knickers in a bunch about it, then don't use the app.

4:21:02 This app makes people realize they have a voice. And the fact that I think about my voice now as I speak and what I'm saying. Oops. The things people heard from you beforehand. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. Air chat, find your voice. Until you spend way too long on it, then you lose your voice, which is a good chance to write letters to your family to apologize. Sounds pretty extreme. I mean, you really do longhand and lick a stamp and put it in an envelope. Then you walk, or in your case probably drive, and you drop it in a box. And then you wait for it to come back to your same house. Wow.

4:21:53 Patrick, this is just sad. How did we end up here? Keith, is it hide and seek or just a judgment public? Can somebody share that thread with the list of channels? I think it would probably be good if we just reposted that from time to time because a lot of people are asking over and over again the same question. I tried searching for it but I just can't seem to find it. know i don't like that i but i get you headphones but then again you in public space you with people there's no need for you to be on your phone but i know it gets awkward but i've taught myself to actually just sit there quietly without touching my phone good news bad news you're absolutely right good news is you're totally right it's rude especially if you're one-on-one with people or even in a semi-intimate setting like not a coffee shop but i don't know like your your kid's soccer game or student teacher meeting that kind of thing bad news is you're going to alienate everyone in your personal life for three to nine months but then after that it's fine it's really casual it's just on the side but yeah tell all your friends that you may not really and family especially you probably either won't talk to them anymore or whenever you they think you're talking to them you're really chit-chatting let's just get that out of the way my voice seems to be fading by the chit yesterday someone asked me to say i am batman and today i think i sound like an old man who smokes 20 cigarettes a day to everybody asking for channels we're putting a hold on new channel creation for now uh we have to deal with some scalability and moderation issues and make sure the quality stays up and we literally cannot do that and do all the other things that we have to do so channels are a premature thing that we sort of have to build in public because of their nature but we cannot add new channels so please spread the word to anybody who asks about channels to say what we have is what we have and we're not adding any more and please be patient thank you Enjoy your time.

4:24:23 You're genius. You have no idea how deep the whole of EDC goes. But, you know, look at the results. They didn't change the name. And then they bought Nokia. And now they have nothing. I really like never being interrupted on this app and never feeling awkward about whether it's, you know, the right moment to say the thing that I'm trying to formulate or that I want to, like, contribute to the conversation. If I've got something to say, I can just press the button and say it. And while I'm talking, nobody can jump on top of me because I can be kind of a soft speaker unless I'm really wound up about something, you know. Yeah, it's great to just not be interrupted. David Deutsch also had something to say to myself and Naval about exactly this question of defining knowledge. It's important for me to say that I'm not trying to dodge the question.

4:25:14 People ask me all the time how to define knowledge, or how to define consciousness, or any number of things. But the issue with knowledge is there are always new kinds of knowledge that we could discover. So if you're trying to find something, it means that you draw a box around it, and anything outside the box isn't knowledge. But you could find something that is outside the box that counts. Now all of that aside, there are a few ways of coming at that concept. My name is Sigil. The transcription gets it wrong. So people have been calling me the word Sigil. Both are acceptable. But my real friends call me Sigil. Ahem, Naval. LOL. I refuse to use images for those emojis. Hey, everybody. I write about the history of technology and the philosophy of progress. So send me any questions or comments or random thoughts about any of those topics, and maybe we can have a fun back and forth. What about the first piece of technology?

4:26:14 I don't know, probably like stone tools three million years ago. If anything else was invented back then, we don't have the archaeological records for it, so we don't know. But technology, I would say, goes back at least about three million years ago to the first stone tools. So I just realized I had been pronouncing Seagel's name wrong, and I apologize for that. And from here on in, I want to make sure that I can pronounce your name correctly. So, this is a thread, an invitation for you to share how to pronounce your name. Or how you would like people to say your name, if the two might be different. I don't know. First up, I am Rachel. My name is Sigil. The transcription gets it wrong. So people have been calling me the word Sigil. Both are acceptable. But my real friends call me Sigil. Ahem, Naval. This app needs more trolls.

4:27:02 This app needs Marc Andreessen. I think he's still stuck at the clubhouse. I hear Daniel Ek has joined AirChat, a pioneer in audio. Thought I'd welcome him, but also just send him a notification so he can figure out what's going on here and how it works. Hope you're doing well, mate. Yeah, I guess I'm late to the party, but I am still trying to figure this out. But send me tips and suggestions. Good to see you here as well, mate. Yeah, I guess I'm late to the party, but I am still trying to figure this out. But send me tips and suggestions, and good to see you here as well, mate. It's never too late to party. Welcome, Daniel. So I made the mistake of leaving my hotel, and then we tried to get on the highway, but the highway was totally gridlocked. So we tried to not get on the highway and turn around, and then it started raining, and then the water started rising too much.

4:27:56 So we made a run for it into some industrial park high ground, and now I'm sleeping with trucks. Have you tried to download the upgrade to Cybertruck? It's really hard to find channels. Have you found any channels you like? What channels do you wish existed? There's a list of the channels. You can also search and they might come up as well. Everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others. Everyone is equal, but some have better apps. Well, Firebird, it's going to be hard to convince anybody that I'm actually exhausted. Like, I'm exhausted from the game. It's like, oh no, I have to do this more, now I have to convince people, now I have to think who's trying to kill me. So I've given up trying to get a particular outcome. I'm just having fun right now. It's just fun. Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. Welcome to the EurChat weekend. Now we enter into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming, one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing which works here.

4:29:21 How to make your feed so much better? Just go to the profile of a person and click the mute account and you will see the difference. Amlan, come in and maybe give some tips to Tom on how to deal with a rainy Dubai. Please send a vote. Reply to this thread and I will give you the worst coffee advice you've ever heard. Oops, my bad, it's an old Finnish proverb. I'm not a coffee. I'm not drinking the most coffee in the world. That is fascinating. I had no idea. Thank you for sharing. If you still want bad coffee advice, let me know. So I'm here in Dubai for a very rare event, a very rainy, stormy day. And it turns out the whole city shuts down. Nobody knows how to drive in the rain or anything. So I can't get a car.

4:30:09 How are you swimming, Tom? It looks like that it's a perfect place if you ever manage to get to the event. You can just make so many deals because nobody can leave the place. Yeah, I should have stayed at the hotel. I made the mistake of entering out. And now I'm stranded in an industrial park. That's the only high ground around here. So, yeah, that was a good time. That just indicates that it's hidden to all your followers because you don't follow the person who replied to you. If you like or repost a reply back to it, then it'll unhind automatically. I do think that the word hidden is a bit too strong and could confuse people, though. It looks like Amanda was already liking it, and it still shows hidden, so it shouldn't be unhidden at that point. Let me know if I'm wrong, Amanda. Hey, everybody. I write about the history of technology and the philosophy of progress. So send me any questions or comments or random thoughts about any of those topics, and maybe we can have a fun back and forth.

4:31:03 This app reminds me of Twitter 2008-2009. This is crazy. So fun. This is awesome. Well, when you say the conjecture, to my mind, the conjecture in Austrian economics is that the individual acts purposefully, or a universal explainer acts purposefully. I would love to get a Babylon's take on this. A Google Meet feature to detect when you're eating and ask you to share with everyone on the call what's for lunch. What did you buy for everyone with Uber Eats? Ex needs to fucking chill. I get it. I'm logged out of my account. Name is the omen. It's your ex. Why brands like Samsonite have not done this as part of their offering is beyond me. Imagine if they had one that maybe, you know, you could use a whiteboard marker on and delete it. or if they had a template available, or if they sent you a new one every year.

4:31:55 Oh, it would be perfect. Perfect. Wow, so many bundling opportunities. You could even do those prepacked suitcases. So you're always ready to go and you just buy a new one and you don't even need to pack it yourself. How are you swimming, Tom? It looks like that it's a perfect place if you ever manage to get to the event. You can just make so many deals because nobody can leave the place. I doubt that anyone actually got to the event. I think they might have canceled it. Yeah, it looks pretty bad in there. All right, I just heard a very funny story about Naval. And because this is his app, he gets to get roasted here a little bit. I was talking to, I did a podcast with Tim Ferriss, and I asked him about Naval. I said, you're friends with him. I've never met him. Really respect him. He seems like a fascinating guy. Tell me, how'd you meet him?

4:32:41 What happened the first time you met him? And this is what Tim Ferriss said. Very funny story. The first thing that came to mind is probably not the kind of example that you would expect. It was actually the first time I met Nabil. It was the first time I met Nabil. I went into a coffee shop in the Mission in San Francisco, and I ordered a coffee, and I'm waiting at the counter, and there's this very attractive girl standing next to me, and she's very friendly and smiles, and I start talking to her, and I'm chatting her up, hitting on her, hoping to ask her for a number and take her out, and who knows, maybe dinner, maybe drink, who knows. And I see Nabil walk up with this huge grin on his face, and he's like, I see you met my girlfriend. and I was like oh Tim and he's like Naval and he just had this huge grin on his face didn't know who you were or he was just like I don't think I'm not sure I don't think so I didn't lose his school it was just like wow what a good way to address it like totally calm and then we started talking and like and we ended off I forgot to eat multiple meals over the past four days but as my friend Sean says if you're not forgetting to eat once in a while you're probably working on the wrong thing some people call it fasting That's if you do it intentionally.

4:34:13 mic. My air chat timeline is weirdly sporadic. Like when it'll be active, it'll be overwhelmingly active. And when it's quiet, it's really quiet. I need to balance out my follows, like follow somebody in every time zone. I have a little bit more balanced feed, I guess. I'm following almost to 900,000 people, but certainly there are a few peaks and they are usually in the evening night of California time and also the morning and those are the high peak times. Okay we just got this beautiful espresso machine a Lilith Bianca V3. What bean should we get for it? This looks like a machine for 100% arpica. I have many thoughts about air chat. First of all in a few weeks we will all be using a verb called air chatting. I have not been this excited about a social application since Instagram. This is a brand new interaction behavior, even though it looks very familiar and we can all understand it almost intuitively and instantly. I think this is going to transcend demographic barriers, just like Instagram did. Old people, young people, new people, millennials, Gen Z, boomers, everybody is going to be able to crock this very well because it does not ignore the past, but it also is about the future. And I wrote about that on my blog post.

4:35:35 So instead of trying to bore you more with my voice, here is a link to my blog post as well on my blog. Thank you. My spoon is too big. Need a bigger soup ball then. Welcome to the music channel where I hope we all share our favorite songs. And please remember, everyone's music taste matters. There is no superior or inferior taste, whether the genre or the band or the DJ or the pop star. Every piece of music must be appreciated through the context in which the artist intended the music to be created. And that is why there is no such thing as bad music, and why we should all respect each other's subjective opinions on what they love, and why they love it. And that's why we're here, to talk about songs, which is something I love to do. So please share some of your favorite songs, new songs, old songs, nostalgic songs, memorable songs.

4:36:30 And I hope to hear a lot of amazing ideas and songs that I haven't heard before from the AirChat community. Let's do it. It's a lot of time, but Sam Altman gave me access to GP5. So we just have it running and it's doing a lot of the agentic channel creation for me. So I just talk to it and it creates channels, but I still have to talk to it. In fact, I have a AirChat DM with it. I just send this command and it tells me what's up. So can you also teleport some good jokes from the future if it's really creating a channel? I used to work in this space running a product at Google X running circuits on TPUs. Let me know if you have any questions about simulating quantum computers on GPUs or TPUs. Brett Hall mentioned the other day that there isn't any, well theoretically there isn't any issues to have quantum computing on a room temperature. Do you see anything on your experience that we can even be close to having that in maybe in this decade.

4:37:27 If air chat is a house party, X is a war zone. Waiting for the rave app. How would your feed look like if you already have some hundreds of followers and then you stop following everyone but you're still posting and people who follow you are replying and then you can pick up people and maybe start following them. So I wonder how the creation would work in But in that case, in your main feed, anyone already is seeing this approach? That's what I was just noticing. Po nějaké pritěny, výlbryske je mnogo poobor z odkoukutu na anglísky, ili možná by jasné tu rávno govore po tozi náčin. I don't know. I think it's a good thing. snippets that go viral. But that's not the point, that's the by-product. The point is to find another human being to connect with. It's more like a messenger. I'll give you an analogy that may be helpful.

4:38:38 AirChat Premium makes a bot out of you that lives in the system forever. Coming from Singapore, where rain is basically a non-event, this is a bit hilarious and unexpected. I had the same feel when I realized that on Spanish highways, there's low down on the curves when it's raining. Guys, this needs to be heard. Yeah, Proditchi was catching up already what's happening in air chat with all the meows and all those things. Yeah, hate of his time. I used to think a sign of intelligence was being a contrarian. But actually what a contrarian is, is the person who, when everyone else is going left, decides to go right. What you really want is not to be correlated in any way with the crowd. You don't want to go the opposite of the direction they're going. You want to decide on your own which way you're going to go, regardless of what they're doing.

4:39:28 So you don't want to be a contrarian. What you want is to be uncorrelated. It's spinning like a vortex. CryptoBros will go to Hong Kong, Dubai, Paris, New York, and Singapore just to meet the same 20 people that they see at every conference. Isn't that what the whole conference is all about? Seeing the same people in different places and paying for the vendor to meet those people and having the same jokes and tapping backs of those same people. That's called the industry event. This is what Americans look like going to Europe for the first time and ordering a coffee. "Otering coffee for the first time, you mean?" "You know what? You're right." "Standing up is a new workout." "With two feet or one." "Yo, AirChat ruined my workout routine. I can't properly do the electric anymore. One of my hands is always holding the phone. Two goes to AirChat." "Check a movie. Your exercise will tank. Suddenly, you're going to be a good one. You're going to be a good one. You're going you have consumed two hours of exercise because you don't want to stop playing that cliffhanger.

4:40:33 I'm curious if there is any documented history of how AirChat started. I'm very curious about new social platforms and how they grow. This one looks interesting. We're pretty busy right now. We'll make up some cool sounding origin story later. AirChat is Twitter without the ego. But with the trolls. Do you think we could have a post keyword muting? Hashtag blessed. So I don't want to completely mute or unfollow some persons, but I do not want to see some type of posts. So you think that would be something in the toolbox to come? Yes, down the line. Not very soon. So muting the account is the best option, because if you unfollow and some of the people you follow are still replying, you will get them on the feed.

4:41:24 Need feature to mute the word meow? Yeah, we need that feature. Yeah, I think I used Blue Sky for literally maybe six hours. I tried to go back to it, and there's just nothing there. They needed some kind of algorithm. I think it was doomed to fail anyway. I kind of wrote a whole blog post about that. I'm kind of curious to go and look at that again in the context of YapChat. I feel like there's nothing in my thesis that says YapChat should fail. You can make your own algos. I think they're already 40,000 algos, And a SkyFeed app is a pretty easy and a good way to do them yourself. Is there an experience that comes up in your mind that when you were in it, you knew that what you were experiencing was going to change the world? Ooh. I mean, I was Apple's first child laborer back in 1978 and built Apple II motherboards in my mom's kitchen. And I remember looking at those and going, man, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

4:42:16 Because back then there was no technology in my life. We didn't have, we had rotary telephone, and we had a black and white TV. And so this thing showing up in our house was like, whoa, this is cool. You know, I've had several of those kinds of things over the years. Like, whoa, I'm playing, you know, like I worked at Microsoft as a strategist, and I did things there that The Economist magazine wrote that I humanized Microsoft. I mean, that's pretty incredible. You know, but before that, go back to Steve Wasank. I met him in a parking lot at a community college because I built his motherboards. If I didn't build his motherboards, I wouldn't know who he was, right? But because I had built his motherboards, I wanted to meet him, and I saw his car in the parking lot and hung out until he arrived. And I ended up studying every morning with him. I knew then that I was given a gift that very few people had because, you know, I remember thinking while I was hanging out with him, you know, can't do this at Stanford University.

4:43:15 I could go on for a while about different times, different things that happened that like, whoa, that's bigger than any dream I could ever have had. You know, when I was a kid, I didn't dream about any of this. So, yeah, I don't know if there's one thing that stands out, though. Thanks. Bro, how is Mark Andreessen on AirChat and Ben Horowitz isn't? I really want to hear Ben Horowitz rapping Bobby Shmurda lyrics on AirChat. Like, Naval, make this happen, please. Sejal, someone. On an earlier version of AirChat, we actually had activity and it was pretty freaking sick. So expect this to come in the future. There's a lot to build right now. And that's a lot more streaming from the client. We want to nail the core, which it seems to be nailing like crazy because everything is exploding. I love it.

4:44:05 Do you think we could have proposed keyword muting? Hashtag blessed. So I don't want to completely mute or unfollow some persons, but I do not want to see some type of posts. So you think that would be something in the toolbox to come? So I don't think it's that bad. You can go look at your own feed. And assuming you're following some reasonable number of people, you know, call it tens of people and not hundreds, you should have a reasonable experience. You also don't have to engage in everything. You don't have to read anything. The point of this app is not to go back and catch up on all your social media. It's not to go back and see all the things that you missed. It's rather to see what's going on around you right now. It's to find somebody else to connect with right now. It's to talk to somebody right now. Not exactly right now. It's near live. It's not quite live. Exactly live doesn't work. It's high stress. It's hard to coordinate the right people in the right place at the right time.

4:44:52 But too much of a delay doesn't work either. You can't have a conversation. So this slot's right in the middle. The last time I felt like this was at Burning Man when there were hundreds of amazing conversations and parties happening at the exact same time. And you can never go wrong anywhere you went. I have literally experienced the opposite, where people whose tweets may have been slightly annoying or just not at all worth noting, have become extremely annoying to me because their voice annoys me. For the same reason, sometimes the video option here is not your friend. Hey Eric, you can definitely share a URL through direct message here on AirChat. Direct messages are the envelopes down in the lower right-hand corner of the app. And I'm going to show you image how to share URLs. And I'm not sure if you are on an Android device.

4:45:40 I am on an iPhone, so Android might be a little bit different and restricted. Little known fact that for past 18 months, 83% of air chat traffic is explanation how Plus Button works. The second thing to know, which is the unsung heroes of this app, and it's the people that are actually building it. I've met a few of them, and I've heard a lot about them because I'm friends with Brian and Naval. And I'm just going to say they're some of the best people in the tech industry. their ability to iterate on the ideas of the founders over the last few years the things that i've seen them build it's been truly remarkable and so what you're seeing right now with channels for example is something that we've had to tolerate now for quite a while where new things get implemented they don't really make sense but they do and then we give them the feedback and then it kind of works out the previous version of this product before this current v3 basically built everything under the sun and a lot of that was because we were suggesting ideas and they just built it and so we've learned a lot about what makes good quality conversation and so what you're seeing now is actually the result of quite a few years of thinking and experimentation on how to get smart people that were talking already offline and also now joining the community of Brian and Naval because of their Twitter following and how do we get the best insights out of these conversations. Third thing to know is that there's a lot of trolling on this app and the influx of users right now seems to have exploded that some of it is entertaining some of it is anonymous identities, which is fine. There are people here that have to keep their identity anonymous because of, well, quite frankly, how rich they are. But the point about the trolling, as entertaining as it's been that I've seen some people do it, there are some people here that are just outright manipulating. And thankfully, there's a good natured community and I'm seeing it potentially pan out in a certain way. But I guess the point I'm trying to say is you can't troll a troll. And so I'm not going to say trolling is baked into this community, but it's quite resistant to it because the people here are entrepreneurs that know how other people try to manipulate them.

4:47:32 So finally a social app which is social. It's a chat and it actually nails the user interface so well. Wow. Can you call the group No One Invited Us because our profiles don't show that anyone invited us to the app? Here's an idea. Ever since I downloaded AirChat my neighbors think I made friends. So I really don't like software that lies to me about listening speed. And I don't think other software does this. Like YouTube does not lie. When you put it at time 2x, it does not lie. And I don't know why that's necessary for this platform. Why not just have the true thing that is what every other app does? I think even, was it like Audible or something? They used to fudge the numbers, but then they changed it to reflect the actual thing. Also, I would like to have much faster than quote 3x which i think might be something like 1.5x actually uh or like 1.7 or something anyway this has been my rant about why i would like my software to not lie to me about the speed at which i'm listening oh also probably all of you don't even know that you can change the speed so if you hold down the play button then you can get faster speeds and not tear your hair out yeah 2x i think it's 1.3 or something i tested it one time but yeah 3x is not even probably 2 And yes, I would love to have the real 2.5, 3, even a little bit faster than 3 as an option, but that's a long battle ahead of us if we want to get that on the app.

4:49:03 What if video games end up becoming pocket universes? Like you put a bunch of intelligent NPCs in a simulated world, and is that basically the beginning of pocket universes, like mini-verses, like pocket universe? Hmm. Or maybe better universes. Yeah, I get what you mean. I have that as well. But the thing I'm talking about is something like this: Do you also think that carrots are crazy? Hmm, I think carrots are crazy. Yes, they are really crazy. Wow. Like something like that where it's like they're writing sort of poetry and then they they speak it out as if it's like reciting a poem or something. I don't know it feels a bit strange but maybe it's just me. That's the engagement farming clearly and maybe some of it's written by your favorite chat GPT. Something I notice with how people talk on here is that they pre-write what they're saying, and then they say it and bring it as if they're performing it a little bit. I'm curious what people think about that.

4:50:01 There are a lot of experiments going at the moment because people are testing whatever works and get the engagement. But some people have also been having quite a bit of practice. It sounds and seems like they've been, well I don't know about the performing part, but it seems like they know what they're talking about. But it's just like this one first take. And by the way, MacWhisper, I'm a user, I'm even a paid user, so welcome to the app, and I really love what you've been doing. Hey everybody, I'm Jordi, I'm an indie developer, mostly working for Apple Platforms, built a lot of stuff over the last few years, mostly just trying to make stuff that I like, and it turns out that other people also like that stuff, so that's nice. Recently I've been working on some MacWhisper stuff, which is a transcription app for Mac, and I do a lot of VisionOS stuff, so I launched a few apps there as well. Happy to chat about any of that stuff with anyone else. Or, yeah, just chat about live stuff as well.

4:50:50 Just finished Tree Body Problem. Would love to talk with people about that because none of my friends like it. No, it was useless. It was slow. It wasn't designed with Mac in mind. It definitely wasn't using Swift. It was just a really irritating piece of software. I'm really glad that they're completely rethinking everything from the ground up. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that they actually changed. It sounds like that they are starting to step on the toes of humane AI. And it's quite tricky. Also from the privacy perspective. giving access to everything and then yeah zero day boom this thing's gonna get really interesting once we get the voice actors on here making parody accounts yeah it's gonna get lit you mean they're not already here bro i saw one of morgan freeman and he sounded nothing like morgan freeman so not the good ones yet anyway hey arjun uh you set up the air chat support but none of us can join it and we can't post in it. So I just wanted to give you a heads up here because I see that you just responded. You may need to update your app in order to join the channel. So that's a little bit of a catch-22, but yes, you can join it at least on iOS. I will do this immediately. Thank you. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now. I have to go Air chat is my caffeine.

4:52:14 Hey everyone, this is an open channel to ask all your questions about air chat. At Sigil, is there a comedy or jokes channel where we can just like start fleshing out ideas for jokes real time? Just see the mystery behind the works type of deal? I think it'd be fun and funny to just be able to watch the process. Is it that called the main feed? You're not wrong, Petru. You're not wrong at all. Oh weird, let me get that fixed. Thanks Amanda. It's getting a little busy here, there's so much happening. Sometimes you have to reply the three four chits at a time and then you lose the opposition in the main feed. So where do you keep the vodka the other three weeks? It's on the other back. Ooh, keeping one of those on the backside. Eh, doesn't sound that comfortable. Ooh, yeah. I kind of get chills just thinking about it. Speaking of which, you know that champagne thing where you pour it down and you drink it out of the bottom part? Don't ever do that with apple brandy. I'm going to tag in Amanda here. Not for the apple brandy, for the backside. I want to get to know all the ladies on air chat, so reply to this with a little introduction to yourself.

4:53:31 Just like you, I am obsessed with all things beautiful and I love taking pictures of them. My goal for 2024, more like my resolution this year, is to live as many new experiences as I can. Living up to that, I completed a trek in January. I visited the desserts in India in February. In March, I served at a community kitchen in Amritsar, India, which I believe is the world's largest community kitchen. And in April, I ran my first marathon. And I also joined swimming classes. I look forward to seeing you around. Have a good day. I also feel like this is very temporary. It's just like that initial moment when it's supposed to be 8 and everyone shows up at 8, but not everyone knows each other. You're just kind of like going around saying hi, that little uncomfortable feeling. I think this will fade in a few weeks. Yes, and praise the chaos. This will pause. It looks more like an anxiety list.

4:54:27 But you only need tampons one week out of four. You make two packs. Color code it to which one you need. I think seeing this navale would never travel again. It looks more like an anxiety list. But I'm good at math. I think I will CC Keith here and we will test your math skills. Oh, silly air chat. I said meth. Meth skills. See, I'm a local in San Francisco and I'm just trying to get with the times. for the FBI agent listening, I am just joking. No, but I definitely didn't mean that. Okay. Are you fully vegan? Wow. Sign me up for that channel as well. David Holtz, founder of MidJourney. Thank you so much for hosting me when I was kind of homeless when I was 17 and first came to Silicon Valley from San Francisco.

4:55:21 I remember you encouraged me to take the COVID vaccine, But David is incredible. True genius. I can't believe I doubted him. I remember in our Discord conversations, he was like sending me the early mid-journey examples. Like, no way this guy can beat Dolly. And then he did it. He built the best image generation model there is. What a fucking lad. Oh my god. David, I don't know your inspiration. Your true word. Welcome aboard. Thank you for all the support throughout my life. And yeah, I love you, man. So I recently just came across this screenshot on the other social media app on the other platform. Like people have been like taking shots at air chat. So do you have anything to like, you know, say about it? Like, do you still stand by this? Or like the motivation or maybe the aim for creating this was something other than that, you know, just curious. There's also the element of synchronous and asynchronous.

4:56:22 So voice calls, for example, are synchronous. You have to be exactly at the same time, and it takes all the time. It's not the case here. iOS accountability alarms that wake up your friends if you sleep through your alarm. So there's a collective punishment now. This is hilarious. I didn't even go check. I just don't check on people's profile. But this is funny. Now we'll see. The best testimony that AirChat is working is people to people. It's not about titles. Maybe the best title is undefined, if there's any on your bio. Has anyone had an issue with inviting friends in? I sent a few invites, but they're not working right now. I wonder what they could do to improve the invite process. The invites are capped now, so you're going to have two at the moment.

4:57:10 Yep, totally able to work now that I figured out the setup. I'll share a picture. But once you get your keyboard height right and your monitor height, it's pretty easy. And you get used to it. In fact, I find that I zone out while working and look down and realize I've walked a couple miles, which is pretty great. Is there a difference between the walking ones and the ones where you run? I mean, it sounds like that they're pretty similar by the structure, but is there something which makes them not suitable if you want to, for example, run? I understand they are heavy, so you don't want to properly run in the place where you're working. But just hypothetically, if you would like to use the running one for walking, would that work as well? Or is it that the motor will burn out because of the different load? The only difference in size, I need it to be small enough to fit under my desk and between the two legs of my desk. Most running treadmills are much wider than the walking treadmills. I also like the fact that I can hide this under the bed or in a closet because it's quite compact. We'll come back to 6.30am.

4:58:02 Slept at around 11.30. Yeah, feels pretty rustic. Feels good. Time to fucking grind. Let's go. Good morning. Hey everyone, please welcome Patrick Collison, founder and CEO of Stripe. Welcome Patrick, and happy air chatting. What is normal? I mean, I'm just over here thinking, writing, sharing, not building anything, not founding anything. It's not a new question here. Hey, I meant that there are a lot of early adopters here. not there has been a huge influx of new people, but from the PETA testers, I can definitely give you some examples, but also check the Ko-fi channel. There might be some normal people. I don't want to define the normal, but maybe I will just stack a few people you can check out, and it's just an example, just the top of my head. So the early testers of the app, they actually came outside of Silicon Valley for this version, so there is some hope for you. Here are a few people you might enjoy following.

4:59:03 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like there's nobody who's like a normal person on here. Like everybody is either a tech journalist, a tech founder, someone who is just very involved in the Silicon Valley startup universe. And like, I'm really missing just, I want to talk to normal people. And I feel like I can't find anyone who's just like a normal person. There are a lot of early adopters here. Now there has been a huge influx of new people, but from the PETA testers, I can definitely give you some examples. But also check the Ko-fi channel. There might be some normal people. I don't want to define the normal, but maybe I'll just stack a few people you can check out. And it's just an example, just the top of my head. So the early testers of the app, they actually came outside of Silicon Valley for this version. So there is some hope for you.

4:59:52 Yeah, it worked. It certainly worked. Maybe mute and block and unfollow will work as well. my coffee today because, well, I drank it. It is my pleasure to introduce everyone and some people a reintroduction to Mazzy. Mazzy and I used to run a physics show on Clubhouse every weekend for like two years. It was one of the biggest shows on there and it was teaching everyone about physics. Mazzy is one of the co-founders and chief science officers of a quantum computing company based in New York City and he is one of my favorite physicists. He's one of my favorite people to talk nerdy to and so grateful for him. Welcome to the platform. I'm so glad to have you hear. It's already happening and some of it looks awkward. I think as a generation we should get comfortable with the idea of getting ghosted. Seriously it's saving us a lot of trauma getting to hear the no then assuming oh something happened maybe they maybe their car crashed and they're no longer alive okay that's okay but it is it is much better. Ghosting is much better than being told oh You were being benched. You were 10th in the list. The fifth one got her.

5:01:27 I no longer have a voice. Speechless. And the lights are pots. Once. Twice. One of the things I was contemplating, which I know very little about, is quantum computing. And I figured there's enough of a tech audience here that could help. What are the key challenges in Scalar? quantum computers and making them commercially viable? This probably sounds like a super newbie question, but it was just passing my mind. You cannot stack qubits like you can do with regular computers, CPUs and GPUs and memories and stuff. What's the hashtag equivalent here? Use a fancy third so you can search yourself because nobody else is using it. This is my first post on Earth here. Let's go. Do follow me.

5:02:21 on air chat and as well as twitter and do visit my linkedin profile welcome what are those other places i'll recognize them my bad but if eric the original author ever decides to tackle volume two i guess it could be just scrolling through air chat and putting together all your insights i mean that'd be fun i guess there's already enough material for probably five volumes if you consider the previous versus of your chat as well. My wife. Yeah, it sounds like you recovered pretty quickly from the shock. Hey chat, is it justifiable to own a $5,000 espresso machine? I don't think they would even consider the coffee what they sell there. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. And that their voice matters. And this comes at the last minute.

5:03:21 So I finally got on the dating apps, guys. I really didn't want to, but my friends, you know, my friends all told me to do it. So I downloaded. I love my friends. I would die for them. So obviously as a loyal guy, I'm going to do what they tell me to. So I'm swiping and I noticed the first girl's bio said back because my friends made me get on here again. And then I swiped to the next one. It says, oh, redownloaded because my friends made me get back on. And then I keep swiping. 1,000 women in a row all had bios about how their friends wanted them to get on. And I realized as someone who's in a similar situation myself, it's bizarre that none of us want to be on these apps ourselves, but all of our friends want to. But the friends don't want to do it themselves either, right? Because they're all on here with their profiles saying that their friends made them. So it's just crazy that all of us are just being coerced by these nebulous friends. And none of us have ever wanted to join a dating app of our own accord. Dairy market feed is hard. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now. I have to go to sleep. But I'm having like the best conversation in DMs.

5:04:09 I'm having the best conversation here. I'm addicted to conversation. Content with content. Your inner voice is the new shit draft. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. Oh yeah, I forgot. You need to think before speaking. Totally optional, but you will see it in your follows. I'm still here, trying to mix this with work unsuccessfully. Just make a screenshot of a Zoom call and then you're good to go. You can talk as much as you like. Just be a little bit mindful of the topic so it doesn't go completely off tangent from the Zoom call, so-called agenda. This is Experian speaking. That sounds like an absolute pleasure.

5:04:59 It's interesting. It's such an easy app to use. And I don't know, you can just kind of jump right into it. All the work has to feel like it's paying off now. You get to actually meet people. I used to be friends with the founder of Omegle, which rip, you know, but he developed that for a long period of time. And then the whole object was literally just making friends. He didn't have a lot as a kid. And I think that these apps where people just like pile on because they're just, they just want to meet people. They're my favorite. And this is a new way to do it. It forces you to be more extemporaneous. I think that forces you to be more open and friendly. Anyway, get some sleep. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now.

5:05:45 I have to go to sleep, but I'm having like the best conversation in DMs. I'm having the best conversation here. I'm addicted to conversation. Yeah, my biggest fear is though that things will get better and it'll become good only via a device that is released by one of the big four or what I call it, the Fab 7, something like that. Apple, Microsoft, Google, you get the picture. I think the fact that this product is so far off the mark means that one of the big guys will just sweep in and do it right if it is in fact a form factor that will get adopted widely and so the monopolies will further entrench themselves that's the biggest shame the best bet against that type of future is to build open source decentralized libraries and tech and then you can build your own device when the time is right so i just watched the humane review by marquee mkhb and damn i hope it doesn't suck as bad as he says i was really looking forward to that product um it sucks that it sucks i guess but has anybody else actually tried it what are your thoughts i hope uh how badly this has performed considering the amount of investment i believe has gone into it uh it doesn't discourage future investors from backing similar products all the time things can improve so the better life can get better the lms can get small enough or they can be squeezed into the box to do things locally.

5:07:02 All those services which it cannot integrate at the moment, they probably can't be included there. So there's a lot of things which can become better, but it's not exactly here right now, unless you have a very particular specific use case. And I just saw the video. I haven't played around with the real device, so that's all I have. Yeah, my biggest fear is, though, that things will get better and it'll become good only via a device that is released by one of the big four, what are they called the fab 7 something like that apple microsoft google you get the picture um i think the fact that this product is so far off the mark means that one of the big guys will just sweep in and do it right if it is in fact a form factor that will get adopted widely and so the monopolies will further entrench themselves that's the biggest shame i don't know i didn't look um just try moaning and see how it transcribes it and then search for that whatever words come out Oh Tom, this is already in the next level of the Tom Tom Tomness. If all news is breaking news, then all news is no news, and therefore the news is broken.

5:08:05 And if only negative news are news, what's the news for? It's funny to me to see people come into AirChat and immediately compare it to Clubhouse, when in my mind it doesn't actually compare in any remotely significant way to Clubhouse. But what that shows you is that there's just a complete dearth of voice-based apps out there. So the only thing people can compare it to is the only other voice-based app they know. But that's the opportunity. So you create the new word. Xeroxing, Googling, air chatting, or voicing. This is the most addicted to an app I've ever been this quickly. This app is like heroin, except the heroin is making new friends and hearing voices. They've turned faces into heroin. They've turned your words into heroin. It turns out that the real heroin was just the friends we made along the way. Just like how we take normal news and make it a breaking news. Although there's nothing breaking about it. Breaking news broke the news. See right now in response to this I would just write yes ssssss with a million s's but it just doesn't have the same ring in a chit. Right? managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's Chief Vocal Officer. I'd be mildly disappointed if HR doesn't have a voice president. They do have a chat guru. Has anyone considered the consequences of hearing other people's voices on the internet? Did you hear the great relief? Oh they have accents as well.

5:09:38 Oh my god we're bringing this up again. I take it as a given that whatever you do in public, and I mean just whatever you put out there, it's public anyway. So that's the easiest rule of thumb you can have. So don't say anything you cannot put it out to say to the face of the person if you lost somebody else. So that makes life easier. But yeah, I would like to have some kind of lists selection. So I can just choose to see some people and have that type of feed for a particular reason. But I do love the 70 videos way of discovering new stuff. And if I only have a few selective friends, I'm seeing it's becoming too constant. And the variety and the dynamic nature of life goes away. Because when you're walking in a city, you will bump into things you haven't seen before. So I want to have that experience as well. Yes, on the same page with you on that.

5:10:26 For sure, for the private part of things, this app is not for those reasons. If one has to and wishes to be private, then DMs are the right way to go. And you're also right. If something's out there on the internet, it's out there on the internet. That's also one of the reasons. I was never very active on Twitter, for example, or even on Instagram with anything private. Although I must say, I have delved into depths of my private life or shared it here more on Airtat than anywhere else in the internet. So that's that, and that's, I think, the strength of this app, to be able to keep it private to that degree, the concept that you were talking about. But still, I still think I need some time to train my mind or maybe my definitions of privacy to be able to really, really come to the point of understanding of privacy the way you see it here on AirChat. Or maybe create a new definition for myself where the psychological feeling of privacy and intimacy still stays without going in an extremely public sphere.

5:11:25 Because considering we will have maybe a million people out here on AirChat, it will not be private anymore. someday. So that's the big story I'm looking at. I have some good and some bad news. The good news is that social media managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's chief vocal officer. For all the CEOs and recruitment officers out there, no, you don't want to have your social media manager anymore. The one who actually can type and copy paste and use the chat GPT. You need someone who is a stand-up comedian, is a public speaker, who is actually a thinker. But you need a philosopher who can and will act on public and is witty and can do the compact. So maybe you actually really need a stand-up comedian who is actually genuinely funny and can actually think and know stuff and can build. What is the meaning of life?

5:12:16 To answer that question. Perhaps. I have some good and some bad news. The good news is that social media managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's Chief Vocal Officer. Are invites back on the menu? Yeah, it was getting a little bit out of hand and the novel's post here explains also a little bit of the background. I noticed that the people on Twitter who have a negative or neutral experience of air chat are generally overthinking it instead of just experiencing it. It's always easy to have an opinion and actually first hand experience it. If you browse this app without any sound on, it just becomes a more chill Twitter. Oh, but there are people and they are here as well. I miss the inner circle section of AirChat. There are lots of people buzzing here, but having the inner circle, people with whom there's a lot of comfort and interactions, would be great.

5:13:18 I take it as a given that whatever you do in public, and I mean just whatever you put out there, it's public anyway so that's the easiest rule of thumb you can have so don't say anything you cannot put it out to say to the face of the person if you love somebody else so that makes life easier but yeah i would like to have some kind of a list selection so i can just choose to see some people and have that type of feed for a particular reason but i do love the serendipideos way of discovering new stuff and if i only have a few selective friends i'm seeing it's becoming too constant and the variety and the dynamic nature of life goes away because when you're walking in a city you will bump into things you haven't seen before so i want to have that experience as well. Anybody knows the best brand of coffee? The one you can get your hands on. Anybody else having trouble avoiding the millennial pause?

5:14:14 That's better than the millennial whoop. But it seems that some of the masks are starting to run out of battery. It has been a wild weekend. The best launch events are... Naval has army of backup bots at his disposal. Some of those bots were even given interview to magazines many years ago. But it seems that some of the masks are starting to run out of battery. I'm convinced that Naval, Brian, and Sajil have cloned themselves to be able to keep up with everything going on all the time. Fun fact, Brian's dog is actually a clone. No joke. Brian, dig up the story. Someone said in the feed that the voice notes are actually called chits. Is that true? Does anyone know? Where did I hear this? I can't find it in the feed now, so if anyone can confirm, that would be great.

5:15:07 The Godshit's origin story comes from the founders beta, so I will not touch that one. But chit-chatting, airchat, airchit was the dev version of the app, so it's all there, but it's been around for a while. Does anyone know what the limits are in terms of how long your voice note can be? There's no need to have a long note. You can always have another one. So it's better to have a concise, bite-size, one idea, one shit, like the original tweet. And that brings a better engagement as well. people can reply to the particular idea they can also like, they can re-chit it, and it can be a start for a new conversation. And it also makes you a better speaker, thinker, because you can be more concise, you can take the redundant words away, and you can also do it again if it's not perfect, because it's a small, bite-sized one-chit. By the way, I think we're all figuring this out together, so I don't have polished perfect answers for you. If there's a gap in my reasoning, feel free to point it out, but it is all, everything I'm saying here is subject to change, because we're figuring it out alongside you. At the end of the day, contracts and promises are only as good as the person behind them. If you don't trust the people involved, then nothing is going to work.

5:16:14 Contracts are made for worst case scenarios in very precise situations. At the end of the day, it's all about trust. The question is, who do you trust? For example, even though this may be an unpopular point of view, I trust Elon when he says he's committed to free speech because he has demonstrated over and over that he's going to do what it takes to have free speech. I understand not everyone agrees with that because he has to follow some moderation policies in other countries and he had some tussles with various journalists, including ones who were on this platform. And I don't know the details of that, but at least from far away, it looks like, you know, you can trust him to at least defend free speech within a certain window. And so the same way, I think you have to make your own decision as to whether you trust us or not. And I'm not going to say you should or shouldn't, you just decide yourself. In terms of who's funding this, it's kind of a complicated history because the company has been around in many different incarnations. It was originally started by Brian Norgaard as sort of a peer-to-peer voice messenger, and then it pivoted and pivoted and pivoted again. And I only joined really, you know, a year ago and I got super involved just a couple of months ago. And so the recent round of funding is the most relevant one. I don't think the history is as relevant. Although, you know, those investors would argue that they paid to get Brian this far. Anyway, since I got involved, most of the funding, the vast majority has come from myself, a little fund that I manage, and from Jeff Fagnon, who is at Accomplice Ventures and co-run Spearhead with me. He's an amazing guy.

5:17:23 Sam Altman threw in a check kind of blindly. He's not really involved, but he just, I think, believes in anything that uses AI. None of our investors has really any influence over us. They don't control anything. We run the show. And by we, I mean sort of the founders and the founding team. And it's partially unsolvable because I'm not sure that people are actually unique. So yeah, there's that. Yeah, I don't think you absolutely can solve that. It's probably more relative. Like the Estonian government issues the digital ID, and that's the, well, you have to solve proof of identity for the government passport or some kind of thing, and then they issue you that strong encrypted key pair, and then you can start your chain of trust from there. So I think that's probably the best solution we have at this point, but yeah, IDs can be faked, everything can be faked, but it's all relative.

5:18:15 When I wake up. While you're still awake, are there any estimates for the web version? So I mean that it will solve the chits and stuff like it used to do in the previous one. I noticed that the web person switched from the previous air chat to the new one, and it only shows the empty profile. Yo, Sigil, is the translator racist? With the air chat launch, being in Dubai is absolutely the worst time. Like, I can't go to sleep. Y'all are waking up right now, I'm trying to go to sleep. Tom, how's your feed doing with following 2.5k people? For me it's pretty quiet at the moment, but it was hectic at some times, but I think you get used to it. Obviously the Algo doesn't show too much stuff beyond one hour or so, but I guess we will adjust. Yeah, it's perfectly fine really.

5:19:09 I'm sure I miss a bunch of stuff, but that was the case before anyways. And yeah, I just see, you know, I just jump in when I find stuff interesting. It totally works. you know other social media apps you reply, you comment, you stitch, but here you just talk. Like people do. Real people. Normal people. Just the regular people in real life. On that note, I think I noticed that because you added a small plus to follow someone from the chit view or before zooming into the profile that I think I tend to click less on people's profiles because I fear that I'll accidentally subscribe to them. So if you If you could maybe remove that or make the hit area better, I think that would be nice. The same goes for likes and rich hits, when the post play button and also the see more, are also sometimes going almost exactly at the same position.

5:20:06 The new gold standard for terms of service. I just intentionally posted my OpenAI API key to Twitter. Ask me why. Copy-paste, it's not your friend. Their API key page is broken, so I can't actually see some of my API keys. This one was compromised, stolen from one of my apps. I think somebody sniffed it from network traffic, and I can't cancel it. The air chat version of sleeping at the factory floor. This was so great. I thought a good way to start on this app is with a poem. This is Go All the Way by Charles Bukowski. If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation.

5:21:04 Isolation is the gift, all others are tests of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There's no other feeling like that. You'll be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is. Making my own version of filters, I thought I'd try on some different hats for you. Snapchat 2.0 has been invented. Why hot water? Otherwise it would be called Americano. Hi everybody, except no substitutes. Introducing the man behind the AI revolution, Sam Altman. Please be polite, nice, and don't mob him. Thank you. The cliche is that humour is violating expectations. So you have a setup and then you violate the expectations of that setup and it's a surprise and that surprise is funny.

5:22:07 But an idea that I've heard recently that I am playing with and think is a better concept for humour is that humour is safe danger. And so it's safe because, you know, the person would never actually mean that or you know that they're joking or that the context is such that it's actually okay or something. But it's dangerous because it violates something, violates a taboo or violates your social safety. And I think a lot of jokes are having the appearance of violating social safety, but in fact are safe because the person who's joking knows what they're doing. Which is why, perhaps, people who are funny are attractive, because they are showing that they know how to navigate the subtle social implications between safety and danger. I think the people that are going to get burnt out with air chat are the ones that continually re-record their messages.

5:22:59 It may feel uncomfortable at first, but the value is in just posting raw. Over time, your conciseness and pros will get better. That's the vision and Naval has been building it for himself, how he can always have interesting, stimulating conversations around the world, even without leaving his house and having dinner parties going 24/7 around the world with great people around him. that's such a good way to put it i hadn't thought about that it's a perfect dinner party the right group of people the conversation covers a wide array of topics and you're able to have like raw unadulterated conversation okay beautiful people i'm going out for a long walk and i will be back hopefully maybe i might just get a nice picture to share with the rest of y'all but i respond to many of your beautiful responses later on have yourself a beautiful sunday when social media is already some decades old there are so many layered jokes that sometimes you realize that the people who are here now may not even have been born so it's really unfair for them to even get the jokes listen petri you kill me because somehow i don't expect you to be making jokes because you're like you've got this accent and demeanor that sounds so serious that someone could miss that you're actually actually making a joke but that was funny that was funny now you're making me sound like I'm an influencer. I'm not gonna say that again, I promise. I'm not announcing my walks anymore. I'm not taking pictures of snacks. Maybe, maybe pictures of, you know, the views that I see, but that's it. That's it. Okay. Thank you.

5:24:27 How to make friends and influence people on AirChat. Just talk. One thing I would like is if there were push notifications. Not intrusive, not encumbering, but something to keep you coming back to the app. I think it's been, you know, 24 to 48 hours and I've kind of almost, almost forgotten about AirChat. So it'd be kind of nice to say, hey, this so-and-so posted this. Would you like to come back into the app and check it? Well, usually the killing the app and restarting or maybe even installing it again might work. For all those requesting new channels, please be patient as we are stress testing this new feature that was released only in the past 48 hours. There's quite a few bugs that need to be squashed before we can all have a good experience with channels. So please be patient as we roll out the feature over the next week. Thank you so much.

5:25:19 I speak for all of Gen Z here that the capitalization and the correct grammar is driving me nuts. I guess the real question is whether the app uses Oxford commas. you're not the only one making the argument wait peter you can quote tweet on here how did you just take the link and then post it as a link and it shows up i would love to quote tweet i love quote tweeting yeah you do it a good old fashion where you take the cheat link and then you post it as a url and that's how you do it that's how the original coding happened didn't it private channels that only the participants in the channel can see would be cooler than group chats in the DMs because then you wouldn't have to scroll through all of those miscellaneous DMs to get to the channel that you want to. It would just be pinned to your home feed and it would feel natural because I'd open up the app and I'd go to the home feed I want and then I would just scroll and just swipe left or right.

5:26:17 It'd take me back to pre-launch. You have to have the AirChat OG's private room. Or if you go on a trip with people, you could make a little private room during the trip and everyone would chat. It would be fun. I think that would be pretty cool. Allow us to open up a bit more. I feel like I've crept back into my shell ever since the launch. You're not the only one making the argument. This app will be either acquired or copied by Facebook in a matter of weeks, if not days. Threads already have the voice transcription feature and they can try to copy it, but it's quite hard. Clubhouse also did almost carbon copy a year ago and it didn't go too well. This is the first app that I'm truly impressed with applying AI to something we could use every day. So first faction in Fallout 3 series is Brotherhood of Steel. Brotherhood of Steel is remnants of United States Army that evolved over past 200 years into a completely different organization and creature. If you are eagle-eyed, try to look at the truck in episode one. You will see that trucks in Brotherhood of Steel base still have that old American Army White Star on the side, but it is not American Army at all. American Army Genesis, that was 200 years ago in the past of that organization, so it's now distant memory of a distant memory. Or all they know right now is Brotherhood of Steel, which is effectively a semi-religious military organization, more similar to medieval warrior knights orders.

5:27:53 And here's how this organization works. Also, if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts instead of just talking with people and having something to say, which is interesting and thoughtful. Thanks. I didn't think about searching that much, so I'll dig into some stuff I can find. So before you have your own following, which is going to reply to your posts and you find your favorite people, the best thing to do is to then jump into the discussions which are already ongoing and start to talk there. And this is also how you will be seen by other people. And if they reply to you, then that's how your exposure in the app will also skyrocket. Also, if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts. instead of just talking with people and having something to say, which is interesting and thoughtful.

5:29:15 Absolutely, and that's probably the great thing about it, and those will be the new ones. TikTok created each and every platform has always created the new ones, and they have their own distribution, and then they can take their fame and everything they have gathered and monetize it, and maybe put it elsewhere as well. Same old story, over and over again. Also if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts instead of just talking with people and having something to say which is interesting and thoughtful. So I think you have to be genuinely curious about that other person and what are their mindset and thoughts, then you are heading in the right direction. Yes, this is not for grandstanding or broadcasting. There are other platforms for that. Which is just your stereo piece and then the rest of the people are just consuming it. This is not how it works here.

5:30:08 Finally, my thumbs never adjusted like Steve Jobs was telling. Petri, don't thirst trap my follows. I just got back. I'm taking it easy, man. I was in here for a little bit on Friday night and heard the avalanche of follow me's. Don't follow me. I'm nice all the time and then I kind of rip faces off when it comes to just math and basic science and critical rationalism. Sorry. But now this place is big. I don't even have to see those guys. Who are great. They're so great. But they're so smart. And the philosophy. It's rough. It's rough. Anyway. I love you guys. Good to be back. The Luddite mode. We might just be misinterpreting each other. Either way, not a big deal. And if you mean that, I didn't realize that it was an image. Well, that was the whole idea of the Luddite post, because if you're really a backward person, you would like to type the thing first and make it correct and use Grammarly or whatnot, and then you take a screenshot of it and then you post it. Arjan, so are we never going to have emojis?

5:31:07 We might add something native to the app that is kind of emoji-like in the future, but why do you need emojis in the first place? Human voice is so much better. So Naval said no emojis on AirChat. We'll see about that. There's already been some experimentation, this thread has some ASCII art, but yeah it's harder if you have to use only your voice and how do you transcribe with the AI the perfect art. Well of course you should be able to follow people you're interested in conversations with them, but how important is it to have that number up there and how important is it to have a big number relative? We know this is what social media is about, people checking out how many followers other people have. Some of the early users, Naval Incluored, are already having the issue that there's there's too many people they're following and because the feed works that any of the persons you are following if they are responding replying to something that will pump up on your feed so this will multiply and amplify the content on your feed immediately and in this way you don't actually want to follow too many people because the point is that you want to have one-on-one conversations and how many conversations can you have if you're following too many people you probably are not going to have a good time here because it's about quality it's not about quantity and just collecting people to follow or followers doesn't actually serve the purpose it may serve in other media which is more broadcasting. The original easter egg. Yeah I think so like googly eyes like ooh the original easter egg like that was so clever I just I see what you did there yeah I definitely like a googly eyes. Finally my thumbs never adjusted like Steve Jobs was telling. It does sound a little bit creepy but also a fun test let's see if it works I'll try it thanks.

5:32:47 I can't wait for this app to also automatically transcribe any other language than yours into your language so that you can keep up with everybody on your feed, regardless of the language you're speaking. You'll probably still find it in the AirChat Twitter. But yeah, that was a completely different version of AirChat. It was quite sophisticated. It was just too complex. It was, well, maybe beyond its time. It was too advanced, but it was getting a bit too complex for the regular users, so they completely scrapped the whole app. But you definitely can see and find content. I may find, I will try to dig it at the video. really cool the hardware keyboards were really nice communicator had one then ericsson phones had ones as well but they were having not the right type of a touchscreen so yeah so then i guess like i would ask right if if an iphone is roughly just a glass box in your pocket right like where where does this go from here i like the idea of being able to hear myself because obviously we haven't like spoken on the internet in quite a while i think we've had opportunities but this is one of the first that I've seen of no typing, but I can say things. I can speak on the internet when I've heard everybody else talk. And that's what I like most about this air chat thus far.

5:33:54 The best deck is the one which is completely hidden. So why would you need something in your pocket? Well, it's probably the power source and the other stuff at the moment. But what if you just talk and you can hear stuff? Basically doing stuff without any gadgets, that would be the best but I already saw here's some posts that Cicill or some of the other members of the AirChat team are probably going to rig in the humane AI box to AirChat, so you can maybe get rid of the phone. If you're a power user on this app, we have identified that you also love the sound of your own voice. No bubble bursting on AirChat. We're all happily ballooning here on a hot air. Hashtag rude. Hashtag blessed. Rudely blessed. Guys, do you have any air chat tips and tricks? Please comment down below your tips and tricks for how to get the most out of air chat. Hashtag blessed. Hashtag curious.

5:34:52 Zero day hashtag found. This is actually crazy. You are so right. I woke up at like 8 30 and my battery is now a cool 24%. Air chat really does take a toll on my battery life, but that's okay. it's worth it i just have to always keep a charger on me i wrote my brand new iphone's battery with clubhouse early days so yeah i feel you my phone's on 66 now it's 11 o'clock so we're doing pretty well but if i had my battery pack waste pack on i'd live without fear you need gloves because it's getting hot or do you need to upgrade to iPad mode which has a large battery. Bros, how many takes are we doing every time we air chat?

5:35:40 I'm like six or seven deep every time trying to change my intonation. One take when you don't hear anyone. Was this app invented so that we could make sound decisions? Who doesn't need a sounding board? I think it's going to really focus the main initial user base on people who are actually smart, which is probably the right call. and also for the tiktok generation with the short attention span so if there's too long gaps between the words and the message doesn't get across it's not a good service he stated that he goes to sleep when there's one million users and i think no god said that when there's one billion users so i don't know maybe they are actually having some kind of acquisition under the wraps so meda is soon going to be part of air chat so these can these guys can get to sleep well maybe it's part of his contract, you know, it was stated no sleep until first million users. He's standing by its respect.

5:36:35 Maybe so. Dude, go to sleep. You need to sleep. That would be the ultimate practical joke by Meta and then convert it to open source free speech platform for all. How does everyone here read books? Are you a purist who reads from front cover to back cover? Or do you hop around trying to get at the most interesting content for you. What do you mean by reading? It's all about audiobooks, listening. And remember, like, if somebody was speaking to you in your native language, and it wasn't their first language, and they made a mistake, what's your reaction going to be? I'm assuming you're not going to be mean to them, right? And so I think it's just remembering that people appreciate effort, and nobody expects you to be perfect. And especially if you're somebody that speaks more than one language, you know how hard it is. So this is a welcoming place, and I would encourage you to practice and to learn and to mess up. And it's going to be great. I once was trying to speak to my aunt, and I speak Arabic, and I was trying to talk to her about the earthquake. And I had no idea for what the word for earthquake was. So I was describing it as the earth is dancing, the earth is moving, which she found hilarious. But you know, those types of things also make connections. The Arabic word for earthquake is zilzal, by the way. So there you go. We both learned something new. You're making mistakes while you're speaking your native language as well. It's not about hitting the perfect score on every sentence. It's about communicating. And you don't pay too much attention about it and not everybody is a perfect. They've written native language or spoken so it should not matter that much. So how do you guys overcome the fear of messing up when speaking a foreign language in public? Well it's better to speak than not speak so you are only fooling yourself if you're just hiding away and not communicating and people are willing to help you if you just let them do that so just speak away you're already speaking another language. It reminded me of AMP, the Amazon app which was just closed down, where you can just do your DJing, do your talking, and then you just have the playlist. And yeah, it was fun, but I don't know why it didn't catch up. Thanks, I was not aware of that one. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts there's video, but you don't use the

5:38:46 app in shower or bathrooms, there's a better option and it's called closet. Well, I don't think you heard any reverb in my previous audio, right? And also there is no reverb if you speak quietly. Pro tip, don't talk from the bathroom. It has to reverb. Go into the closet instead. The sound environment will be just amazing, almost like in a studio. Even if you don't have a walking closet, as long as you can set your head into the closet, you got it. No? Let's see. Sit with the video on. That wasn't even this version. That was the previous app. This one's even better. Hashtag blessed. Hashtag blessed. The entire world is a big podcast now. The entire world is a wave function.

5:39:41 How do you think the video platform looks like? It's such a delight seeing so many people finally experience AirChat and the beauty of this platform. Congratulations to all the early users too. We've literally seen a bestseller in making. It's such a delight seeing so many people finally experience AirChat and the beauty of this platform. So I can just give some advice like download AirChat and post this picture and people will know what to do? Why don't you ask from AirChat? This was my first. Yeah, that's how the original reposting started and that's how you do it on Mustadon, still, yeah, the good old-fashioned way. Spotify, watch out, air chat is coming.

5:40:42 In shit, near you. I'm so excited to see how other apps react to this and maybe if they come up with more features which involves just voice. Yeah. Threads already has the transcript voice audio option there, but it takes more than just replicating the technical features. And because the business model is also different in each and every app, this also makes it really hard to copycat. and usually copycats are not that successful if your business model is not the same. For example, in TikTok's case, they worked a little bit different and they've been successful, but it's still an ad-based system, so Meda has been taking over some of the video parts. But yeah, it's interesting to see how people try to come to the voice app market. Can somebody please explain what this meme is to me?

5:41:33 You will thank me later. Oh, so I can just give some advice, like download AirChat and post this picture, people will know what to do. Can anyone remind me that I have a family and I have to spend more time with the kids rather than just chatting on their chat all day? You could always invite them on the app, but maybe that's not the best of ideas. This was my first. Spotify, watch out, air chat is coming. In shit, near you. Yeah, it seems a lot more difficult than just opening up your podcast feed and seeing your favorite shows come up the top and you just click play and forget about it for the next hour or so but i have every confidence that um the air chat team will fix that issue and come up with an equally easy way to just sit on air chat for a few hours without thinking about it so i look forward to that but there's also the fact that it will change the nature of the discussion as well podcasts usually have a quite a lot of redundancy so you're probably are listening them in a double or triple the speed because there's not that much information density and here the information density should be pretty high so that's why this is more like a tiktok or real or short tweet.

5:42:33 And if you're compounding these together, that's the episode. But what it is really, is it like five minutes, 10 minutes, which is the worth of the one hour of regular podcast episode. Obviously, there are different types of content and some of it's just like soothing from the hip type of discussions, but others are just the deeper conversations. So it varies, but this I think will change the nature of how do we consume audio content, but also that you can mix and match. you can combine the best of different parts of the conversation and choose your route because other people can also add and join the conversation at any point that's the hope it should make podcasting more competitive with tiktok and youtube shorts and instagram reels spotify watch out air chat is coming in chit near you i'm on a caffeine detox so i'm not sure if This is the right channel for me, but I'm still on it, and it's making me really, really want to have some coffee.

5:43:33 Clipper used to have a pretty nice and large variety of different infusion teas. AirChat makes everyone's voice a radio voice. It reminded me of Amp, the Amazon app, which was just closed down, where you can just do your DJing, do your talking, and then you just have the playlist. And yeah, it was fun, but I don't know why it didn't catch up. I'm definitely a black coffee only drinker. A lot of that actually has to do with me being lactose intolerant. I'm not going to lie. Just when you want the caffeine, you want the caffeine. And I just stopped messing with the milk. And I know there's so many different alternatives now. Oh, almond, soy. But I think I just got used to black coffee. So that's me. 100% Arabic are black only. They are coffee and they are diesel. And the other one is not for drinking. So yeah, pure black coffee.

5:44:22 If you are a great thinker, then you have no trouble converting your tweeter skills here because short tweets are hard to make. So in that sense, this is also the bite size sound bites, but it's just a different delivery method. And surprisingly, this is also quite synchronous. So if you're having a good conversation and both parties or the small group of people who are talking are at the same time here, this is a really lively conversation going. But the difference is, for example, for Twitter spaces that anybody can at any time jump into the conversation at any point without feeling that it's interrupting the conversation because it's just the beginning of a new conversation and this can go forever. So in that sense, the synchronous conversation, which may be the initial kickstarting point for the conversation, can keep on for years and years to come. I was running a company in Switzerland, and I had the brilliant idea to go to Finland because it was going to be very dark during the winter months.

5:45:17 So I went for about a month and stayed in Helsinki in a tiny little apartment and worked all day and all night with no sense of time and met some of the friendliest but quietest people in my life. It was a very cool time to focus on my intentions for the company, and even though it didn't pan out, it did lead to an acquisition, and I'm really grateful that I got that time to hone in my focus. that's a rather unique approach usually when it's dark and cold people are going to southern france or mediterranean or other places where it's warm and you can get your productivity up but yeah yeah and i'd argue it's a much better experience having uh you know 100 one-on-one conversations than sending one tweet to 100 people chit chat tomato tomato now the point of a conversation is to connect with another person and have fun doing it.

5:46:05 Start rubber duck debugging and use AirChat as your rubber duck. I'm sure the results would be great. We need more technical content on here from what I can see. Yeah, thanks for the convo and I will post a picture here. So after you have posted the cheat, there's a plus sign and that enables you to paste the link. You can type the link, so you have to have it on a clipboard and there's another icon for the image. So those two things you can do and you can also stack as a third thing with the same tool. boom please no if you want to boil it into economic terms twitter is a marketer's app and airchat is a business development app yeah it does seem like right now everybody's statements are pretty well crafted and intentional.

5:47:01 So, but I wonder if that's going to change as the app grows and people would be more casual. It would just be like sort of having conversations with strangers in real life where you're not really thinking too much about every word you say. So you have to look at this from different vantage points. On the one hand, there's people that are just going to be here to enjoy the purity and the beauty of conversation and talking to great minds. But others will come on here to network. The networkers will always keep a clean image. They will always want to sound super smart. They will always want to sound like they've got everything figured out. And so you have to always be aware that people are not here for the same reasons. And it doesn't mean that those who are here for casual conversation are better people than those who are here for networking. I think you can achieve all of that. But I'm most interested in beautiful conversation. And so that's what I'll be, you know, maximizing my experience here for just deep and meaningful conversations, and maybe some good friendships that spawn out of that. Are the GitHub comments down this weekend? Because everybody is just posting and chatting here.

5:47:59 that's called product market founder fit dude if you aren't addicted to your own product what are you doing man a total double whammy you're addict to your product but on the other hand you should be actually improving all the time so how do you split your time between consuming and using the app and building at the same time while you're also debugging it and finding all the ways it doesn't work and it should be improved and knowing then feeling the pain of doing that oh the overheating that's why you need to shower take the cold showers before going back to the code mine capitalism and public toilet philosophy i'm on air chat i don't think i need podcasts anymore it's all bite-sized now anyway podcasts are made out of air chat now going for a run in the first thing in the morning that's the greatest thing ever but it's sometimes hard and what i notice as well is that sometimes in the at noon before you have your lunch you do the workout and that's also a great thing so you can already work in the morning and then you can have your physical exercise and then you will recoup over the lunch and just relax but you already have done the hard part and then the evening is so go free to air chat without the need to do the exercise.

5:49:05 I love this observation of yours with the negotiating part because this made me realize that when you're negotiating you may win the fight but you still lost energy and that energy could have been put to better use. So I will optimize even better from now on to not even have the fight. Just, I made my mind, made up my mind, and that's it. Easy. Go and actually reach the peak, not just walk the path towards the peak. Hey Naval, I met you at Patrick's party back in February. I never got to tell you how much I loved your podcast back in 2019. I see you haven't posted any since February this year. Are you not going to have any more podcasts? I'm on AirChat. I don't think I need podcasts anymore.

5:49:56 It's all bite-sized now anyway. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts, there's video. Don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a video option, and it's called Closet. Don't you think introverts are also going to be afraid of recording something? I feel like some people don't even want to record their voice. Most likely, but I think they still want to communicate and there's been some evidence of introverts using this tool. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature and for extroverts there's video. But you don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option and it's called Closet. I don't think it's for introverts because introverts don't like to do even voice chats. So yeah, it's for a bit more than introverts.

5:50:49 There has been already some evidence for that by the founders and builders and the early testers of AirChat during the years. Who is your cannery in the code mine? AirChat tweets. Duh. Yeah, I agree. Morning workouts are the best. And also it just sets up, you know, it's just a great start to the day. I will pass along your compliments to my spotter. Going for a run in the first thing in the morning, that's the greatest thing ever, but it's sometimes hard. And what I notice as well is that sometimes at noon, before you have your lunch, you do the workout. And that's also a great thing. So you can already work in the morning, and then you can have your physical exercise, and then you will recoup over the lunch and just relax what you already have done the hard part. And then the evening is so-called free to air chat without the need to do the exercise. Finally, it also works the other way.

5:51:39 I've been just talking with some people here and I don't know who they are. And then I just checked their Twitter profile and it seems to be, oh, they have quite many followers there. I agree with you. Actually, I overlooked the synchronicity inherent in AirChat. And the reason is, is probably because I didn't realize that I'm actually using it recreationally in the sense that I suppose like most of us where, you know, maybe we're sitting on a sofa. We have some downtime and we're using it in a very synchronous fashion, which is actually, to your credit, very different to how people use voice messages, which is they leave a snippet of audio which might be picked up in anywhere from two minutes to three hours or even later. So that definitely leads to a very different temperament within the user and a very different UI, UX. However, yeah. First you post the chit, you record it, and afterwards then below the chit there is the plus sign, which you post and then there becomes an icon where you can then attach the image.

5:52:36 that's for the iOS. Unfortunately, I don't know how it works on Android, but I guess there's a similar logic into it. Apologies in case I mispronounced your name. That was perfect. Thanks. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts, there's video, but you don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option, and it's called Closet. Well, here's an introvert trying his first post from his closet. Let me know how it sounds, okay? This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts there's video. But don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option, and it's called closet. Well, here's an introvert trying his first post from his closet. Let me know how it sounds, okay?

5:53:29 Sounds perfect. Welcome. This is an app for introverts with audio feature and for extroverts there's video. Well, I wouldn't label this app one for the introverts, but okay. Well, here you can read more about it by the co-founder of AirChat, Brian. Not really. Several people have joined the platform having no idea who Nuval is and just had a fantastic discussion with him because he's an amazing conversationalist. And many people on this platform have come in and been unknown but amazing conversationalists or have gotten better at being a conversationalist. So yeah, it all works pretty well. I think if you use it for a week or so, you'll see. Finally, it also works the other way. I've been just talking with some people here, and I don't know who they are, and then I just checked the Twitter profile, and it seems to be, oh, they have quite many followers there. 10 kilometers. Or it might be he's having some acid reflux while running. I'm also having the same when I'm going to gym, so just on antacids right now. So if you create interesting stuff and you can find somebody to talk to then eventually people will see it and they get more followers.

5:54:32 It's very merit driven. You have no right to amplification. You have to earn it. How to edit my post. It doesn't matter. You can always stack the person. Finally, a social media app I can use while running. My addiction has achieved total... 10 kilometers. Hey Naval, you have a bug where where Scandinavian users can't be added to any +45, +46, +47 numbers. A lot of people have been messaging me about that. And every time it's a Scandinavian, I say, yeah, I can't help. But I don't know how the whitelisting works in that case. Yeah, I don't know how to invite a user via an Apple ID. The craziest idea I've had is to take that song and publish the actual project file and have people submit versions of it to me. And then I'll just give feedback and then we could like make the whole song on AirChat. I don't know. It's a little bit crazy. It's a little bit out there. little bit out there um but i do it well that was the thing which actually took off on clubhouse on the covid times i get to know a lot of musicians who were playing synchronously and it was the magical amazing thing when two musicians come together and they never spoken to each other but they immediately start to jam and it just rhymes even though there was a lack and i am still in contact with some of these so yeah totally i can see that happening here hey bro i heard you like crypto so we put some crypto in your crypto so you can crypto while you crypto for the verified cryptos camps. This is the place to post them all at once, so we don't need to put them around in different places in this channel. Total money loss guaranteed. If you want to quickly join any open channel, photos which are closed, you need an invite, but for the open ones, you can either try to search them by the name, title, or you can type in the title to your browser, and when you have the URL format correct, then you can just hit the return, and it will suggest to open it on the app, and then you should be able to join it by the channel's front page. So here's an example for the Ko-fi channel and just replace Ko-fi with the word of the channel you want to join.

5:56:30 Is there a way to quote my tweet? And also like what are we calling these things? Tweets, posts, chats, air chats? What do we call it? You can take it as a link and then you can put it to any of your other chits and they're called chits. AirChat has gone from a close-knit community to a full-on platform in a matter of two days. The channels are going to come to the savings, so we can hide there. AirChat has gone from a close-knit community to a full-on platform in a matter of two days. So how quickly are we going to see an AirChat influencer that turns out to be a text-to-voice AI bot? Because the voice is more than just, well, the audio waves. It's also about the intent, it's about emotion, and it's the way you say it, and what you say, and how you say it, and all those things. And well, how much you enjoy talking with Siri is the same thing. If there's nothing behind it, it's more like an informative channel. Well, maybe you want to hear the news or the weather, I read to you by the bot on AirChat. Might not get that many followers, but at least in Twitter's early days, that was really the thing. So maybe the audio portals and the audio bots are thing here as well. I think I want to see the video version. I don't think they work yet on Android.

5:58:09 There's a fallout channel. It is on Amazon Prime, so all episodes are already out. It's just Kamal being smart and responsible with his time, unlike some other people in this channel. Panko proven and tested content it is then. Hey everyone, open this thread to find a list of open channels here on AirChat. And yes, the speed is a little bit faster than you speak, but you do not need to slow down. You just find the speed button from the play/pause button on iOS. No, there's no dark mode. Don't ask about it. You will get banned.

5:59:12 and you join channels by updating the app to the latest version, or if they are closed, then you have to ask somebody to join them. And no, there's no directory for the channels at the moment. They just have been started to be built, so there's nothing yet available. You just think that because I was artificially slowing my voice down, so I don't sound like a meth addict. when token i have to really pronunciate when because it keeps coming out as one but we want to know when when will there be a token never how's never for you is never good never I should definitely also add my machine here. So I've got a La Pavone Italian 1960s style handle over press E61 group head machine. Interesting. It has a lot of qualities and I don't remember, this is many years back, why I didn't actually then consider buying it. Probably it was that I wanted to have a water boiler as well. So my machine at the moment is Rocket 58.

6:00:24 This Sunday starts with a high bar on content. I love the part that you mentioned, Petri, about human connection because this is probably the only network that, well, for now anyway, really adheres to that idea of Robert Dunbar as like anthropological limits of human connection. It's almost like in a strange way, it almost feels like I've just found a new pen pal in you, but really it's like a chat pal that just is, I guess, shared to our nearest and dearest digital avatars and friends. But anyhow, awesome to meet you, mate. Love what you've been sharing, contributing to it. Thank you. Ah, finally a platform where emojis are replaced with emotions. This Sunday starts with a high bar on content. That is a timeless question. It's not the question of our time. Oh, but definitely it is. We need the machine who can answer that question. And maybe Ilya saw something along those lines.

6:01:13 Why is it speeding up the audio? How do you slow it down? There's a speed dial behind the pause play button if you long press it, and that will give you the option. so there's no need to slow down. It's just a better user experience because people tend to speak a little bit slower. So while you're listening to it, it's more smooth. Welcome to the AirChat weekend. Now we're entering into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing, which works here. Indeed. If you're on iPhone, just make sure that you're on the latest version. It should make you to see the join button. For me, it took a few trials and killing the app for it to finally work, but that's the way to do it.

6:02:38 Everyone, welcome to the brand new Fallout channel, where we're going to discuss all things in Fallout universe. Definitely, given that show just aired and show is extremely well done, probably you will have lots of questions of what's going on in the show, what are all these various factions. so we're going to be answering questions about the show and about Fallout Universe at large. I plan to start a few threads about basics what will help you understand the show without the spoilers. In the meantime, here's Fallout Universe timeline that can help you connect the dots what is where. This is open channel, feel free to join, ask questions and have fun and as your ruthless overseer I will be heavily moderating it for highest quality content possible. So don't get Matt if your message is getting deleted. It's just overseer exercising his powers to make you stay in the world as pleasurable as possible. I'm really torn between recreating Ukraine Room, which probably will be highly interesting to lots of people, but if past two years are any indication, every time I finish session in Ukraine Room, I will end up being 50% more depressed than I already was.

6:03:43 And second one would be Fallout Lore Room. That would make me very happy to discuss, and of course it will not be interesting pretty much to anybody other than few hardcore fallout aficionados here, and will represent, well, basically the usual escapism into gaming world from real world problems, such as Ukraine Room. It seems there's a popular demand for the room. Fallout Room is already officially created. Just use search function to search for it and join. It's an open room. How do you join a channel? Some channels are also private, so you have to ask to be included in the term. We're not going to remove anyone over their ideas. It's just for calling names or going crazy or just being boorish. It's about the attitude, but the content, you can do. You can say whatever you want. I think essentially what you're trying to solve here is provide freedom of speech, but have a civilized way to host the discussions.

6:04:41 I think not having freedom of tone while having freedom of speech could just be it. I think that could just do it. And at least it should be enough to bring down the majority of all the hate violence and hate speech out there. Maybe even bar some forms of content like nudity and harassment and all of that should make the platform much more efficient than X and foster more meaningful conversations that don't end up in emotional turmoil. oh man you guys really got to fix the ux i didn't realize this was already part of a thread where you already said you weren't trying to overtake x so uh my bad i am deeply committed to freedom of speech don't worry unfortunately elon doesn't actually have a very good track record on free speech and as we know you know he's banned and um downranked and done all this stuff to tons of journalists myself included which is really frustrating um as somebody that cares deeply about free speech and free expression. I hope that whatever moderation tools you do roll out on this app, you give users transparency to see, for instance, things like their account status, appeal any violative content. And I am a big fan of the community notes moderation system on Twitter and community oriented moderation in general. So anyway, just had to share my thoughts.

6:05:54 Thanks again for making this great app. It's been fun to play around with. We're going to try and put as many of the moderation tools in the hands of the users as possible. We want to be as hands-off as possible. That said, sometimes you just have no choice. You have to act because someone's doing pornography or spam or impersonation or just being incredibly rude. And we're far, far more likely to moderate for tone than for content. We really don't want to moderate for content, but we will moderate for tone. I think of it as if you were invited by a friend to a dinner party. You would be free to express your disagreement and your opinions as any civilized person would in a nation that has free speech. However, if you started screaming obscenities at the host or insulting them to their face or, you know, making rude noises in a performative way that they did not welcome and that was inappropriate, then you would be asked to leave and we would do the same thing. We are going to start the coffee channel. What do you drink? What do you love? How do you brew it? What are your favorite gadgets and contraptions?

6:06:46 Let's go. This is my first post in the new air chat. And it only accelerates from here. That's right. We're just getting started. I have a serious question. How does everyone feel about me starting a cult here. Was this a feel for cultivating signups? Why is there no dark mode? That feels pretty important. It's been a known hidden secret that whenever you mention dark mode you are in a very dark place in this app. You're probably gonna be almost muted, banned, and ignored. That's dark. Just had to be sure. You never know. It might be the deal you just been waiting for whole your life, and it was just in a blink of an eye in that spectacular air chat weekend. Suck it up, fire hose.

6:07:37 Air chat, full feed. 2K Tom. All right, it's like after midnight nearby and I need to go to sleep. So I'm going to unplug myself from the feed and we'll see where it's gotten in the morning. Godspeed to you all. Now it's safe to post. Tom will not see these things for a few hours. So maybe one or two hours before he wakes up, you have to stop posting if you don't want Tom to see this. Tom, the delay with follow buttons is that they have to run AI personality metrics on the backend and generate this virtual AI person for you to follow. Exactly. That's the best there is because everything is local. Nothing gets anywhere. The environment tanks, there's no server farms needed. you get all the likes you need and you get all the satisfaction and none of the emotional concerns and distress handling and dealing with real people. But seriously, there's like a real loading problem with follow buttons.

6:08:32 I don't know if anyone else has it or if it's just me because I have so many. But yeah, like it's people's follow buttons don't show up. I have to click through their profile in order to follow them. So yeah, it could just be me. While we're reporting new issues, the more unknowing one is that when doing a reply, it doesn't show up after the shit has been done. And it's really annoying because you don't know whether it actually went through. And if you're somewhere down in the feed, in the main feed, you have to go all the way up and go to your profile and verify whether it went through. And then you lose your position in the feed and you have to scroll down again. I just checked your following and you're still at 2,000. Bro, you're jacked in. You see every post. You're going to be the reason why your user partition gets hot. like starts getting throttled it's crazy now we know why he followed two dozen people to find the cat corner i've still never seen any network gracefully manage this problem of if my friend or even an acquaintance sends me a follow request it feels mean not to follow them back and if i pity follow people my feed ends up with people i don't actually want to engage with and it drowns out the content that really matters so i hope there's a way to like politefully decline i wonder if anyone can figure that out even though it's still asynchronous it still happens some of networks allow that you can do silent follows or you can do them by some lists. So this allows you to either follow everyone and accept them and not really use that feed or some other way to actually get what you want and still be so-called polite. It's not all in the name, isn't it?

6:10:00 I actually tried orange juice with espresso and I think there are scientific bases to mix it because of the acidity. When you add two acidic things together, they cancel out and become bases in in the body so they're far more easier to digest by the way and i must say i have done this a lot i tested it a few years back yeah it wasn't too bad but it's not something i've done ever since i'm not sure how it happened but now i'm following 2100 people and uh i'm getting a handle on the feed it's actually uh it actually works pretty good um yeah you know i've had a good amount of coffee today too so it's uh yeah it's going good i like it first takes only what's up quacky The new Siri that gets announced in June will be both better than people are expecting and worse. For instance, is it really going to code as well as Microsoft Copilot?

6:10:49 I don't think so. But could it answer or show us how to get back to our car? I sure hope so, because it doesn't tell you that today. You have to ask it, take me back to my parked car, please. And then it does. It's like, God, I wish Siri was smarter. Do you know how they're going to integrate some kind of LLM to Xcode? And is it as bad or as good as the Copilot? Come on in, Gary. Just hit the microphone button and record something. I know you're good at this. You're good at YouTube. If this is your first night, you have to fight. What's up, guys? I'm here on EppChat. Welcome, Ken. Good to see you. I've noticed that sometimes they're just happy to get the answer and then they just want to get rid of the question and not look maybe stupid or they just feel like that it doesn't serve any purpose anymore. Or they just don't think too much about it.

6:11:42 But yeah, salivary. I think if you apply the house party lens to this, here's somebody who maybe had a little bit of social anxiety, didn't want to be there anymore, took off, went home early. Maybe they got a text from significant other family members saying, hey, get your ass back home. I wouldn't be much more into it than that. There's also the possibility that if you are quick to reply and somebody just posted the shit and they think that "oh I missed something" or "I want to do it again because I want to do it better" and then they delete it and then you already posted it and it becomes an orphan and it's at that case I don't think anybody's fault. Who's on Farkaster or Warpcast? I heard about the new update through Dan Romero as he talked about it there. Looking to connect with other users from Farkaster? Hey Alex, welcome back! I think you were in the previous version as well and we already connected it in Forecaster. Yeah, you can find Romero here. There are some people already and even some threads about Forecaster here. A quick piece of feedback that I noticed, I think I noticed it in the previous air chat as well. I just tried to record with my phone connected via Bluetooth headset just to improve my mic quality and it doesn't seem to do that.

6:12:50 to do that. So it does seem to stream audio via Bluetooth, but it does not seem to pick up the external mic, which is a shame because I have one and it's awesome and it has sound effects. I would really like to improve my recording quality on here. So tagging Sigil, who's probably crashed after 75 hours of no sleep. But yeah, please give us access to external microphones. Thank you. The regular audio, I think it's for legacy purposes, like a headset. It's a mono thing. And for example, in a clubhouse early days, you couldn't put it on and the stereo didn't work and there were issues. So, for example, the audio interfaces usually stop working when the mic is needed. So that's the first indicator that things are not really working or they're not being recorded properly. And yeah, it's, I don't know, is it complicated or it's just the way it is, the usual Apple thing. Welcome to the AirChat weekend. Now we're entering into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming, one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing which works here.

6:13:56 Sure, I'm not doubting that at all, but it's not coffee, it's coffee-flavored drink. Don't look up what an espresso tonic is. It's not all in the name, isn't it? Pro tip, don't talk from the bathroom, it has to reverb. Go into the closet instead. the sound environment will be just amazing almost like in a studio honey no i'm not crazy i'm just talking to my friends on air chat in the bathroom it's all good sir honey whatever you say wow i think we're done here it's enough hot takes for one day i've actually tried this drink and oddly it is pretty good they didn't use espresso they they had to have the coffee crema, which is something that I know that the Nespresso machine can pull off.

6:14:51 I'm not sure. It's only specific coffee machines can kind of pull it off, where the coffee creates this like foamy creaminess on the top naturally. But yeah, it was actually, it was a tasty drink. I was shocked. Sure, I'm not doubting that at all. But it's not coffee. It's coffee-flavored drink. Anyone getting stage fright when they hit that button in the middle? I think the number one fear is public speaking. This app is awesome. It's great in the sense that it gives you a sense of everybody's voice, their tone, makes it more intimate, but at the same time it kind of feels like grabbing a hot mic in front of a crowd of all of your friends and partners and business peers. That can be intimidating as shit. Curious how people feel about posting so far, and Brian, Naval, if you guys have experienced that feeling at all. You just hit it enough times and you get used to it, and first takes are good enough. It obviously helps if you've been doing a little bit of a public speaking before, or even if you've been practicing with previous versions of air chat or having your own podcast. So all those things get you used to your own voice, listening to it, and also doing things live without take backs, because that's what we're actually doing. If you're on stage, for example, speaking, you are not taking it back. So it's the same thing here, but it's not so serious. You can always delete things and hey, it's just life and nobody's charging you as much as you probably are yourself.

6:16:02 During two weeks on air chat, I had more meaningful conversations than during 15 years on Twitter. Okay, so first you pull the espresso, you put it into the shot glass, then you put a few cubes of ice in it to cool it down. And then instead of cold water, you get super carbonated sparkling water or soda water, and then you just pour it in there. Bubbles up. Delicious. Amazing drink. Tasty, fizzy, coffee-y. The best. Wow, I think we're done here. It's enough hot decks for one day. Yes, in that sense, Noster to me seems like the king in exile. It's not going to go anywhere right now because there is no heavy censorship on Twitter. But if Twitter were to ever get taken over by the government or shut down or go back to censorship, Noster is the natural successor. I just don't see a token-based, blockchain-based solution being the successor because that still ends up being too centrally controlled. There's still a money incentive behind it.

6:16:54 And something as simple as the Twitter protocol, and it's really a protocol, not an app, should be free and open. We've been discussing it here and in the previous version of AirChat during the year. But I gave a quick answer. Basically, the early days of Twitter, it was the API, which allowed a lot of innovation and third-party services. And this is not really happening in Nostra at the moment. The hurdle for new developers is there. The integration and the documentation be really developer-friendly, quick to start with the libraries. And everything is not in a place that supports really good user experience for the new users. because the integration needs to be in place starting from the client and then to the content moderation. Also content sources, meaning the algos, then who's going to pay for the relays, the file services. If you want to have videos on images and all those things, the integration between the value chain is not in a level that AD Proto and maybe even at some level Farcaster and Mastodon are having, which are some of the alternatives.

6:17:54 It's interesting because what you said about text, being able to go back and edit it, I think is important in some ways, right? You want to be able to clarify your message or add nuance or add detail. Whereas with AirChat, you don't have that opportunity. And so that error correction happens externally with someone else coming in and pointing out something wrong or bringing up a new point. And I think it's interesting because the medium is the message with this. If you have someone's blog or essays, you'll be able to see far stronger clarified points. But here, the things off the top of their head might be a super powerful thing to see. it might be really good for building two great ideas. But it's interesting because it is inherently going to be filled with more flaws, more mistakes, more errors, more things that need to be proven wrong. AirChat makes you better think, and the results are in the checks.

6:18:46 I think it'd be funny to embrace the persona of the guy who takes forever to form sentences and is extremely annoying to listen to. Oh, you mean the one who hasn't really posted the first post yet, who already has signed up but hasn't formed a sentence yet, and that's the state it's gonna be for the next year. Naval, that can't be true, right? But I'm trying to think, I don't know if I recall a woman on before. I'm pretty sure that's true. If Jess wasn't the first woman on EirChat, then it was Diana or Dawn running DMC. Can anyone tell me how to upload a photo? First you post the chit, you record it, and afterwards, then below the chit, there is the plus sign, which you push, and then there becomes an icon where you can then attach the image. That's for the iOS. Unfortunately, I don't know how it works on Android, but I guess there's a similar logic into it.

6:19:39 Okay, okay, I got it. Thank you. It's interesting because I think AirChat will be a far less curated source of content for people, because you don't necessarily know how people will reply. And then if you don't engage in conversation about your ideas, that's probably a sign of cowardice. And so you get to see very quickly what people really think. You get to see how they engage with dissonant ideas. And I think hopefully you'll see that your heroes are flawed thinkers too. And that's entirely fine. You just have to understand what they're all about. Well, that's usually the ways you're going to the regular social media. You post something with this like engagement farming. So it's just to draw attention and make people to talk about you. and obviously we'll reply to some of them. And that's the whole purpose of it, but it's not really about engaging in conversations or having some idea to share.

6:20:32 Thank you for the invite and the kind words. I definitely had a great time in your high school classes, despite my laziness. Luckily, I did a lot better in college. Welcome, Jacob. What is it that you do at EMD? Voices. We are voicing so loudly here. Oh, yes, Peter, I agree. I'm a voicer. You're a voicer. We are voicers. That sounds really nice. Hey Ryan, I actually never got a chance to play with Clubhouse. I just never got invited. But what would you say was the reason for its failure? Was it just because it is audio or was it something else that happened in the culture that developed? What do you think was responsible for it? I'm asking just to understand what your thinking is on the cause of the failure of Clubhouse. If you open the floodgates at once without these guardrails, then stuff can happen and will happen.

6:21:30 I totally, totally agree with you on this. And it's something that I've thought a lot about. And I think that's what you see a lot in tech companies that have these giant growth. Especially when it comes to social platforms. That's where it's most dangerous. I think if it's a service where the people are not talking to each other, the object is the service itself, and that's what we are there for, then that kind of growth is amazing. When it comes to social systems, that kind of growth is actually very dangerous because it's a very delicate thing, and it's in the human. The human stuff cannot fly too fast. Speed dating doesn't work most of the time. This is an interesting conversation to have. I was thinking the same thing. Somebody was asking what people on here are called. Are they called tweeters? Are they called redditors? What's the term? And all that came to mind for me was people.

6:22:28 Voices. We are voicing so loudly here. One cool thing I've discovered so far is that you can get to know someone pretty well by just going into a profile, allowing yourself to start listening to them. It will auto-scroll and essentially take you through the whole feed. You'll just get to listen to everything. And you don't even need to stay on the app, right? It's like a podcast about this sort of individual and what they've been saying. And I just consumed two or three people's entire timelines, and it's been pretty cool. I feel like I genuinely know these people a little bit more. Awesome. Yeah, it's also a wordplay from the saying that never meet your heroes because you usually get disappointed. It's the same thing if you've never heard anyone speaking out loud, maybe you don't want to hear their voice because you might be disappointed. You've got to yield the lack of vocabulary as a weapon. That's the key. Simple language. I don't think that's a problem. It actually can be even an advantage if you have a... clear ideas and you can talk them simply, that's even more powerful than using a lot of complex vocabulary and verbose replies which are not really saying anything.

6:23:26 The bread is there, it's at the top of the image. And the cigarettes. Okay, this app needs to chill out with the punctuation, I never use this many periods and capitalizations. Cremely, 2.0. So I'm currently in France and I wanted to show everybody what the typical French diet looks like. like. Please, eat your mouth closed and the mic off. Oh my god, the guy is already cross-posting. Oh, I thought he was cross-posing. I was waiting for the follow-up reply, but the baby laughing is quite good. So after you have posted the picture, there appears a plus after the post on the bottom of the chit, and you push that one, and then you can put links, you tap, you have to have it in a clipboard, and this works on iPhone, I don't know whether it it works in Android yet and there's also icon for images and then you can also tag people so there's a search where you can just input the name of the person so you can also those three functions happen on that one.

6:24:26 Ah I see now thank you. Thanks I guess it's all about the audio equipment and well maybe partly about my voice as well but yeah certainly the tech helps. No very cool I definitely see it. It's Erchad. Yeah chap. We're going to see who likes to reply. Are you winning? The app where any shit is a beginning of a new conversation. Well, if you just feed in all the stand-up comedian routines and maybe the whole Seinfeld pack catalog, I guess you can squeeze a few ones. Good idea. Let's try making one. Canned jokes. You can do one-liners and you can copy those and you can deliver them and you can practice to deliver them properly but it's hard to hide if you're in a almost synchronous conversation so you have to quickly respond almost in real time and be witty. That's really hard to fake unless you have some kind of a secret LLM feeding you all the wittiness. All right I'm gonna give up.

6:25:34 Well, if you just feed in all the stand-up comedian routines and maybe the whole Seinfeld pack catalog, I guess you can squeeze a few ones. One of the paradoxes of AirChat is that on Twitter, you can hide being unfunny by just copying content and people kind of read it in their own voice. But on AirChat, you have to actually be funny. Otherwise, it just doesn't land. I hear Krok grinsing. Prediction. Uber drivers are going to have the largest community on AirChat by far. There's this New York City bike messenger who is probably doing more from tweets, tips and subscriptions than he's doing from his actual job of delivering food and stuff. But yeah, maybe taxi drivers are having enough time to have deep conversations and they have the latest rumors. You can already hear Zuckerberg seething at the thought of having missed inventing this app first.

6:26:29 And there's a team of 10 people actively infiltrating this app and trying to figure out how to copy it. Thanks. I guess it's all about the audio equipment and, well, maybe partly about my voice as well. But yeah, certainly the tech helps. Some people cannot believe for some reason that my voice is real. And I'm just like, why? Like, what if, what if, like, you're not real? Right? Like, what if you're not real? Just a few seconds of video and all the doubt will go away. So how does the feed in your chat work? Is it just everyone that you follow and the more people you follow the more people you get on your feed? Or is it just recommended from everyone? The basic idea is that the people you follow and who they're talking to but there are some complex rules around hiding spam and trolls and people that you or they may not want to hear from. The fundamental dynamic is that you want to de-risk technology as fast as possible because that is the risk. Like seeing if it works and seeing if people can use it and working with the kinks in that.

6:27:27 but it's an absolute killer if the bottleneck is a regulatory approval process. Regulatory risk is just the worst thing. You want engineering risk because you can actually move the needle on that, whereas policy frameworks are very slow, massive inertia, brutal to work with. Yes, because you're defining something which is unknown, not known yet, because if the technology is still emerging and you haven't discovered all the things, or the accidents, which are usually the best use cases of some technology, they're not what the original was intended, or the consequences are still to come, and if you regulate it too early, it will never happen. I think that's why everybody's sounding so fast because it's like the second or third time they've said the same thing. Obviously also helps if you know what you're talking about. So has anyone made a toilet air chat yet? I remember that was a big deal in the early days of Twitter, toilet tweets. Maybe it's alliterative, so it should be more like an airplane air chat or something.

6:28:17 Anyway, just asking for a friend. Airing the chits should not be taken to literally. "Undating is basically soft porn." I thought that was Instagram. "Loving your voice doesn't mean that other people love to hear your voice." "It's okay, Petri. I'm not a dollar for everyone to like me." I was thinking all these humble pracks where people just love to hear their voice and talk about all the fantastic things they've been doing lately. I think there's also truth to the inverse of that, which is that although tokens do draw in a short-term crowd, they also do tend to keep some people for the long term for reasons aside from the monetary incentives. And I think increasingly as the tech stack is commoditized by AI and whatnot, social apps or places that want to gather people to create a network will need to increasingly use token incentives to incentivize people to join. It certainly can draw certain type of people when you incentivize by monetary gains.

6:29:21 But for example, this app is an example that where you don't see the monetary gains, they are not tokens, there's nothing, and you still get people here. So the motives are not always monetized, but it is actually dividing properly the people as well, and it's not a bad thing. Popped over Twitter, and this was the first post that I saw. Thought it was interesting, relevant to AirChat. Let's discuss. Because the issue usually is that you're creating your social graph from scratch. This can be a good thing in some cases, but oftentimes it's just a drag to go another place and start again, start to follow people. And if a lot of other people are following, then you're just following the same people you're already following elsewhere. And the most important thing, do you really own your content? Can you actually export your content? Do you really need to do it again if you decide to leave and move elsewhere? There are activity pubs, there are AD products, there are some new protocols which allow you to do that, but they're not so famous and popular yet. So we are stuck in a defragmented world, and there's no defragmentation program as we used to have in the 90s.

6:30:18 Holy shit has a new meaning. I've been learning Python the past few weeks, so I decided to set this weekend aside to build something I've been mulling over. So I'm excited to see if, one, I can build it, or two, I just give up and scream out of frustration. It could very well be the latter. That sounds like a lot of fun. Enjoy. I think he's breaking some limits of trying to read some round numbers. 48 hours without sleep or maybe 72 or 96 or 100. We will see. Exactly. I think one of the lessons I learned over the years of being a software development is don't cite unreal expectations. That is so important. I deal with product management all the time. And they're always trying to convince me that this feature takes a couple of days to implement it. and well, what about testing?

6:31:09 What about the impact, the risk? You know, as a programmer, we're systematically asked to make the risks and then also all things included, right? The bugs, the fix, the test coverage, the documentation and the release. All things should be considered and adding all those things up, it could be easily like double or triple the original assignment. Yeah, usually you don't know how long it will take. It takes what it takes. If you want to do it properly or you want to do it fast and then you 10 times the total time with all the bugs and debugging and all the harm coming your way because you didn't think through in the first place. I want to introduce Mark Andreessen who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here and everybody say hi. Tagging Mark here. Finally a person who speaks at the proper speed. Welcome P-Mark. You know I don't really miss it and I don't really need the caffeine for energy for me personally once I've gone through the withdrawals entirely. I do drink decaffeinated coffee which has maybe, I don't know, 5 milligrams of caffeine probably in each cup, so it's pretty small.

6:32:09 But yeah, otherwise I don't really need it, and then when I do want a little boost, caffeine in coffee is very, very effective. It's great. But while I was not drinking coffee, the good thing was that I actually went really deep to herbal teas, and there's a lot of good stuff you can get from them, and I think that's still my favorite way of keeping hydrated. And yeah, so the espresso machine is good for the boiler as well, to get all the hot water. You're definitely still up-coating, aren't you? I think he's breaking some limits of trying to read some round numbers. 48 hours without sleep or maybe 72 or 96 or is it 100? We will see. VCs already love this app. Speak out and find out. I have a feeling this app is going to be really hard to use for people that hate the sound of their own voice. This app will make you to love your voice.

6:32:58 This app is a dream comes true for voice tech super users, a.k.a. you. Yeah, I'm going to definitely have some rant opportunities here. Awesome. So there's definitely some exclusivity here to the fact that I had to pay more for my iPhone. I kind of like that. Another snobby Apple user drinking overpriced coffee, watching the sunrise. Life is perfect, Sigil. BSA, you can block or mute any account on this app by going to their profile and clicking on the three dots. Oh, me and critical rationalism. I guess I'll do the the abbreviated version of the story. So I was interested in fundamental physics. I was studying in Oxford. And I was aware of David Deutsch in an academic context, really. So he'd written these really important papers on understanding probability in quantum mechanics. And these really wild papers, like there's this one called The Logic of Experimental Tests, particularly of Everettian quantum theory, which had a big, big effect on me.

6:33:51 So, you know, I'd seen him talk, so I was a fan. And I guess when he went on the Sam Harris podcast in 2016, I realized there was a lot more to it. I read his books at that point, the second one at that point. and I think he's fantastic. So yeah, David does great work. I help out where I can. Obviously, I'm very lucky to know him. I love to help him. We don't have anything we're working on that we have to announce at this time. Anything like that? Speaking of finer details, I think it's time, and I wouldn't want to ever put pressure onto David Deutsch. He's got enough on his plate, but it almost seems time for yet another academic paper on the logic of experimental tests, specifically because he talked recently to Naval and myself on the Naval podcast about how he, David Deutsch, now views three different things that go under the umbrella of what is known as an experiment. He talks about measurements, demonstrations, and crucial tests.

6:34:44 They're all used synonymously. However, the crucial test is really the crowning jewel of science. It's the thing that distinguishes between two different good explanations. It's the rare thing. But everything that's done inside of school science classes, deemed an experiment, really is just a demonstration. And a whole lot of things that scientists are doing day to day in the laboratory are actually measurements. They're not testing their theories against some other good explanation, that's the rare exception. But perhaps this will all come up in David's next book. However, I think that is truly cutting-edge epistemology, or philosophy of science. You will find the limit when people unfollow you because you're blocking their feet. Goodness no. If that's true, then that would be about as useful for measuring chit lengths as light years are for measuring distances to the nearest train station. I think I'm a little too verbose for chits. I think we should look at Naval, for example, or Arjun, people who actually know what they're doing when it comes to talking without getting carried away off onto tangents and saying too much.

6:35:40 So one Brett Hall, whatever that length is, is going to be useless for measuring the typical length of chits. Let's call it one Naval or one Rav. That might be good. One Rav. Then both Kamal and Naval, the average length of their chits would possibly be better. that's over one voice now i think that might work yeah but the bread hall unit i don't think it's for shit it's for topic so like don was cleaning the house so it's probably a podcast unit isn't it and i don't think it's a bad thing because the things you're talking about are they take time to build uh and explain so take it as a compliment bread hall is a unit for a long-form discussion and maybe that's the new discussion topic what we were also using in the previous uh air chat the room topics. So yeah, bread hall is a unit. We just have to define is it a hundred navs is one bread hall. I was asking the same thing. Like, how do we join these channels? Like, does the admin invite people or other members invite other members?

6:36:38 There will be open channels and control channels. And so the open channels, you can just join the control channels. You have to be invited. And we are still building both of them out. We literally just started this project like 48 hours ago and the launch happened at the same time. So they're roll out in little bits and pieces. They're not quite done and won't be for a little while. Channels functioning like pinned lists is a really good idea. Shout out. They should have done that for Twitter communities. Might have had a better chance because that seamlessness of swiping left and right on the timeline. Now you can have home lists and essentially public groups or these channels. That's pretty neat. We will simply add the concept of the super-duper follow, and those posts go to the super-duper reverse-crown feed, and that way things will never get overwhelming, and following is mostly just cosmetic and seeds the recommendation algorithm feed. If you want to really follow somebody, you super-duper follow them. Oh, now we have to get Soncarol here, super-duper guy. I don't know if anyone else has felt this way, but it feels like AirChat is at a time where very influential or high net worth individuals are very easy to reach and using that opportunity feels very urgent. And so I wonder if this is part of the design or if this is going to just kind of go away as more users join. I'm curious what some of the people working on AirChat have to say. What do you guys think? Well, just be you and contribute, but don't just do it for the purpose of getting attention, because that usually is not a lasting strategy, and if you don't have anything to properly say, it's better to be quiet. That's a very good point. I would definitely love to be more active on this app and it's kind of ironic that the thing I'm most vocal about is this kind of meta process that I've been thinking about how to be more active on this app. I just learned that if you press and hold the play button you can actually speed up the playback. Try the same for

6:38:50 the cheat and you'll get a few options as well. Damn this is what I get when I try and virtue signal sleeping less. I get ratioed by Max Sky. Max Sky's Russian expectations are... I need to match them. I need to be better. Thank you for pushing me. Oh, don't invite Adrian Monk here. Are we gonna have to resurrect Air Chatter's Anonymous? Because I think, Naval, you also follow over a thousand, but Tom is close to two thousand. I don't even know how that's possible. Yeah, they're not exactly the same as rooms, but it's the closest thing. So it's a topic or channel like in a forecast. That's pretty much my understanding. And they can be private or semi-private. But I don't know the details. I'm not part of the team. But it's coming. So yeah. Tom, you're following 2,000 people. That's insane. Cut it out.

6:39:44 Wow, the race is on. Who is for 10k? Thanks, Nicole. I strategically crashed at the 32-hour mark so that I could sleep for another four hours, but I'm back at it. I think I can do another 36 hours or a whole weekend. We're cranking, we're cranking, we're cranking. Let's go. I have no caffeine in my system, by the way. I'm just dosed up. Holy shit, this app is wonderful. Based on the statistics, I think if you hold for a few more hours, then you can take probably off for the next six to eight hours because it's not the peak time of engagement. At least that's how it used to be. So get a little bit of sleep if you can, because it's a marathon and job well done for whole team it's been amazing just keep in mind this is the peak hour now so it will slow down at least it used to be doing that so maybe the alcohol will come to save you it's that is like being in that dinner party but like any good conversations usually involves just a few people maybe only two people not just a really narrow group of people so they are like side chats which are the real thing where you can go deep and have fun and then Then when you're having enough of it, then you can jump to the next conversation.

6:40:47 And this is what it is. But unlike the regular party, this never ends. Hey, Paul Davison. Looking to build something new yet again? I think this AirChat launch has been so insane. The app's so good that it's breaking. There's a new build to download every single minute. The whole team seems overwhelmed, so I'm just hoping the AirChat team gets a moment to go to bed. I know Sejal's been up for 30 hours. Yeah, this is so exciting. I gave it two days, at least in the first part. Just keep in mind this is the peak hour now, so it will slow down. At least it used to be doing that, so maybe the alcohol will come to save you. I'll probably end up having to just destroy my entire follow graph and start over, because I made the mistake of trying to follow everybody on the app before I realized people were coming in too quickly. That escalated quickly. I feel like, honestly, I don't know if there's like a word limit. Should I like test the word limit of AirChat right now?

6:41:39 because I'm like so awake and I think that it's really cool that I'm getting a live transcription of a podcast like that I'm writing as I'm writing this post it's like kind of cool there's already an unofficial shit length measurement unit called one Brett Hall how much that exactly is maybe only Brett Hall knows but I think some other people might have some ideas as well I'm Jack directly into the main feed and it's gone from a good caffeine buzz to too much methamphetamine. They don't call it firehose for no reason. No man, this is chit-chat worse. It starts as a chit-chat and then suddenly it takes over the whole social media. Well, I can only consider this a smashing success of my campaign of blackmail and extortion of the past six months. So as soon as you give me the button to create the room, oh sorry, to create the channel, Ukraine Room will be recreated with a brand new update on everything that is going on.

6:42:40 Is there another way to whitelist some people to get to the invite list without asking their phone number? Because the Apple ID is the alternative and for privacy purposes and operational security for some people, that's not smart to ask for the phone number. I think we need to follow less people. In the meantime, Cameron is working on an algorithmic feed. Cameron to the rescue. Selective feeds would be an alternative as well, which works for other social media. So we can choose some people and maybe put a name on that one, and you will just selectively choose to see these people's replies and feed. And this would be another one, basically lists. I'm on your phone. I'm getting there as well. What I notice is that the chronological feed is getting a little bit exhausting. If I've seen the stuff, it's hard to get the new stuff because there's so much happening.

6:43:29 So I only see it the last 30 minutes, one hour. But there's 12 hours worth of stuff to go through. And I cannot get there because the existing stuff is on the way. I think AirChat needs an introvert mode. The video option is for extroverts. For people who joined over the past few days, within 24 to 48 hours after your first use of AirChat, you will start suffering from AirChat optimization syndrome, which means that you pretty much will be unable to use any legacy messengers that rely on text, and you will try to leave voice messages in all legacy applications. So the good news is that actually is doable. You can do that in iMessage, in Telegram, in WhatsApp. You have to wrangle the UI a little bit to find the voice recording button, but you can use all legacy apps in AirChat mode, and you will look incredibly weird to all legacy users of this app, but that is the future. They will learn.

6:44:25 air chat's all about voice but i also think it makes it easier for anybody with something to say to be a writer because voice to text does it for them anti-remedy is silent treatment hello world and greetings from helsinki finland milos uh when we have more finnish speakers here it might be checking out the transcript for example in my previous one it would be mikko M-I-K-K-O and it adds something to the end which it's not supposed to do. So maybe it was just the odd shot, but just a heads up. I want to introduce Mark Andreessen, who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here, and everybody say hi. Tagging Mark here. Blocked and reported. The whole time, Elon Musk was worried about Zuckerberg, then he had to worry about Naval.

6:45:18 Elon has a lot of things to worry about, but we are not one of them. We intend to stand alongside X as a platform for free speech. I want to introduce Marc Andreessen, who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here, and everybody say hi. Tagging Marc here. Can someone get Oprah on here? We need Oprah on here. I think the most valuable aspect of this is that we all sort of have the same feeling that we're experiencing, and that it didn't even need to be said. It was sort of felt. And I feel as though the message that you just posted was actually similar to how we're all feeling right now, And that, while it's quite surprising, it's mostly just surprising because it's different than the other social media experiences we have. It's not all too different from the experiences we actually have in our regular lives. Exactly. That's why I tried to make that analogy of coming out of a cave. We are rediscovering something we lost online. We already have 101 direct messages. Check the lower right-hand corner for the envelope icon, and more are coming soon.

6:46:11 Are they end-to-end encrypted? So what's the equivalent of trying to join the conversation, but everybody keeps shouldering me out and I'm stuck on the outside wishing I could partake? More seriously speaking, it's your comment replies, which never get any responses from anyone. So you have, so to speak, one-liners, but they don't really start a conversation. I think I'm going to be the first person to buy an audio interface to connect my Shure SM7B up to this app so that I can DJ my voice notes. They should work okay. I've been using them for more than a year. So anything which can be put into your, at least iPhone or iPad with the cable should work. Been tested. A Slack feature where you can see where everyone's cursor is. AKA Curse Pointer.

6:47:00 Fuck, I already have a copy. We're in the autobverse already. You're already way ahead of the curve. You have so many tricks in your pack that you can just release as a zero-day AirChat experiences. no lie, AI just stands for anonymous Indians just ask anyone doing the Amazon shopping experience where you walk and wait for your receipt for hours wow, it is amazing to watch this app absolutely buzzing so many conversations it's totally impossible to keep up now and it's beautiful and especially on the west coast hello world how is everyone on this wonderful app today why prantly talking i uh worked with a zen master for a few years and we did something called keng ans it's like a question like an example being like what was your original face before your mother and father were born or like who you who were you before the universe was created and things like that so these questions that are fundamentally unanswerable and the way that she articulated how to use that koan or that kung on was essentially hold it in your mind as if you were looking for your keys and how is the experience of looking for your keys like and then you know approach these questions in the same way and just lean into those emotions and that experience going beyond the words breaking into non-duality the beauty is also that you can take your time to think through but also nobody can interrupt you So you can say your piece.

6:48:40 And the best part is that if there are people synchronously having a conversation, so you actually almost like having a Twitter space, but you are not over-speaking. And that's the beautiful thing when it happens as well. But obviously other people can join it, and the conversation can keep on going for weeks and maybe years ahead. That space to think and the fact that it's this non-committal conversation where you can just disengage at any time, force ideas to be short, concise, and get to their point quickly, which I think makes the points here a lot more powerful than a rambly conversation. Also, people will not share things, so you will not get the satisfaction of seeing the likes and the reports if you're rambling too long and it's not a bite-sized thing, which can start to be a Kickstarter for a new conversation, or just consumed as it is without having the full converse context.

6:49:36 I've done thousands of hours of audio spaces on X.com, and this is quite different and fairly addictive. It also forces you to think through a little bit about what you're going to say because you got one shot at it, where on Twitter spaces, it's more like a phone call. You just yak it up and the quality can go up and down. So it'll be interesting to see how the quality stays on this versus like the X spaces or Clubhouse. The beauty is also that you can take your time to think through, but also nobody can interrupt you. So you can say your piece. And the best part is that if there are people synchronously having a conversation, so you're actually almost like having a Twitter space, but you are not over speaking. And that's the beautiful thing when it happens as well. But obviously other people can join it and the conversation can keep on going for weeks and maybe years ahead.

6:50:28 Haha, thanks Sigil. I appreciate the support. If I make it through tomorrow, I have a comment about this, specifically about David Goggins. Isn't it a weird thing how I just said haha because that's how we text? That's like the text version of us laughing in real life. That was really weird and I'm not really sure I like that I did that. Yeah, well said. I mean, I think that's the paradox. You know, ultimately, the mind, which only perceives duality, will always perceive enlightenment as a place to get to, as an object and something to seek. I think that's why, you know, Buddhists use koans because it's a place to concentrate the seeking and the suffering on a single point that the mind simply can't grasp. What is Mu? so close I'm definitely going to do a painting for sure. I've never done one all black like that. So I'm curious how it's going to look.

6:51:47 It's weird painting with black because it reflects so much light, especially after you varnish it. I'm trying to figure out how I can paint it in a way that when you look at it, you can see the image and you don't end up getting like light hitting all the paint, you know, peaks and valleys of the paint. But thank you, man. I appreciate that. It was, it was kind of hard taking. I took the eclipse photo through with my phone using the sunglasses on my little camera, like putting it on top of that. And then looking through that through another pair of the eclipse glasses it was probably look like a complete turkey doing it but thanks dude i appreciate you i'm so glad you made it uh i've done two total solar eclipses both with our kids both were absolutely magical uh and yeah it's such a brief moment uh that's that's over in no time uh but it's a shared experience with so many people around the world um and uh yeah i'm looking forward to your painting i can't wait to see it voice is so back i really thought this would be the first social app where I get my first name as my handle, sadface. Since you're early, you can get any five character username. Like my friend Dar is at based. You could also just get it now.

6:52:48 Hello, Yash. Thank you for sharing this, even though I found it really hard to believe. But thank you for sharing. And as Sido said, stay hungry, stay foolish. You know, we can only live once. Enjoy your life. The party goes on. sigil's dad your son really is a hero not that long ago i was walking down the aisle of a church and at the other end was my husband-to-be sam bankman freed and sigil burst through the doors and stopped the marriage from happening he yelled out you know he he protested against the marriage and i'm just really glad he did because he saved my life spiraling into a complete mess and my now husband would have been in jail so big big thank you to you for raising your son so well Before I wrote my maid of honor speech, I asked Twitter for advice on how to write it. And multiple people were like, you seem like the kind of person that would have given a lot of speeches at weddings. And I was like, I have never given a maid of honor speech, but I've given a few eulogies. And they're practically the same thing, right? I find that if you just treat everything in life as a eulogy, you do pretty well.

6:53:52 This app feels like a walkie talkie on a global radio frequency. Hi, everyone. It is my absolute pleasure to introduce you to one of my favourite people in the whole world, Dr Chris Matman. He is a wonderful human. He won a Pulitzer Prize for his work on the Panama Papers on the technology behind that. And he's also, because that's not good enough, the Chief Technology and Innovation Officer over at NASA JPL, alongside a bunch of other things he does to uplift the community and the world and make the world a better place. So make sure that you connect with him, chat with him, talk nerdy to him. He is just such a great big ball of energy. Oh, thank you, Arjun. Thank you so much. I didn't know that you work for AirChat also. And later I learned it from Twitter. Yeah, you guys are great. This ad, I like it so far. Much simpler than the old one. And nicer. Can you tell us the most embarrassing things E2 will ever do as a child?

6:54:49 I have noticed that it's the California evenings and nights are pretty active and sometimes also the morning times. But my experience is that's the best time. I'm in Europe, but it seems to be pretty slow during the daytime. It will catch up during maybe in the next few hours when the U.S. is waking up East Coast first. But especially when the California wakes up, then things start to kick off. Agreed with Petri, that's my experience too. There used to be the bipolar days as well. I don't know whether it was the auto-even days, but every other day was like the crazy mode and then it was the deep discussion mode. But I think that has faded away in the last week or so. That was also something very distinct. I was just thinking, when AirChat has the most traffic during American time zone, European or Asian time? I was just wondering. Anybody who can tell me? I have noticed that the California evenings and nights are pretty active, and sometimes also the morning times.

6:55:51 But my experience is that's the best time. I'm in Europe, but it seems to be pretty slow during the daytime. It will catch up maybe in the next few hours when the U.S. is waking up East Coast first, but especially when the California wakes up, then things start to kick off. I'm out. Thank you. Hey guys, please help me welcome a family friend of mine. His name is David and he is a software engineer. He's kind of nerdy and he enjoys to get into intellectual discussion. So I think AirChat is the perfect place for him to hang out and he's into games. I have no clue what kind of games he's into.

6:59:05 but hopefully he enjoys the space. Welcome, David. We also have a phenomena out here in Australia called bin chickens. They're a big part of our society. Please do yourself a favour and Google bin chicken. They really look like a next level of evolution for the urban life from seagulls. Fair enough. Professional actors and voiceover actors, they'll make a living of it. And if somebody really wants to rig the system, they already now can do that. I think it's possible to do it if you really want to have an AI system. Even I can just play some music elsewhere. This one you just have to plug in an audio device, so everything's possible if there's a will to do it. I think it's actually hard to read something out loud and sound authentic, like it's yours.

6:59:54 So I think that's enough of a barrier for me to feel like there's a meaningful difference. Proof of human. like you have to verify with the captures. And nowadays it's just like you wiggle the cursor, you do a little bit of uneven movement, so you don't have to type in the characters. So similar thing, yeah. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Imagine getting catfished by AI. Is it worse than getting catfished by a scammer? Speaking of which, Brian, is there going to be a way that we can verify our accounts? Let's wait out this one first. while real people are talking here. The best part about AirChat is it's LinkedIn post-proof. There's literally no way to create one of those here. It's fantastic. I'm clearly new around here, so someone show me the ropes.

7:00:46 Occasionally, it might be worthwhile to have a long pause for things. For example, if you push the chit, it will give you a menu, the pause, play button. If you have a long push of that one, then you will get speed, etc. etc. So there are some things hidden. I'm so grateful and honored and humbled to accept this blah blah blah. Yeah, no, it's actually brutal. Literally, LLM's AI bots write better than humans on LinkedIn. That's how you know it's fucking shitty. It's the recycling center of content created elsewhere. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Yeah, this is true. And there are certainly AI OnlyFans creators. But, you know, I also am of the opinion that, you know, OnlyFans has a pretty negative effect on both the consumers and the producers' mental health. Indeed, there are a lot of lonely people who even know that it's fake, they still go for that because it's better than the alternative.

7:01:50 Ooh, we had voice image on our old app, which was pretty fun. But for exports, oh man, we could do this in the fall. They brought a lot of value for the voice, and especially when you're importing them to, or I mean exporting to other places, they were really nice. But also here, when you were checking the rooms, they added more to the substance to the discussion. This app should make me a better speaker. Instead, I think it just makes me quicker on the delete button. thumbs up this is the best lamp from ikea it's a cylindrical 360 degree lamp that's a floor lamp use your feet to turn on and off the vibes are immaculate it just makes your warm your home so much more warm ashley kept bugging me i'm joking i love you ashley but ashley followed up like two or three times i was like oh my god what lights do you have what lights do you have so yeah they're bomb they have also pretty nice led lamps which are smart so you can even change the color and you can quickly put them up to your system so you can call siri or whatever you like and do weird stuff and they are really affordable and amazingly for example one of the switches i was having broke down i don't know why but the guarantee warranty was five years apparently for that i don't know 20 bucks thing so there is one minor cold store problem with air chat and is that the entirety of the platform and its user base is just comprised of Huber Bros that go to bed at 9 p.m.

7:03:17 So 1.30 a.m. air chat is kind of dead. But there's so many coffee drinkers here that they definitely are up at all hours. I'll be the contrarian. I don't think AI girlfriends are going to be a real thing for anyone except the most niche use cases. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Twitter feels like somebody's on the stage and we're all in the audience just clapping. air chat feels like we're all sitting in a circle around a warm fire just having conversation. We are all chipmunks anyways. Is it possible, at least theoretically, that when you speed up, well not double but triple or more, that you would sound like you do in 1x? Probably needs some kind of clever algo and needs to adjust quite a bit of things, but is that even theoretically possible?

7:04:07 Hey girl, oh, you never heard of me? I'm a niche internet micro celebrity. Haven't you heard? I'm famous on air chat. You wouldn't know. Yeah, to be totally honest, as somebody who's been a victim of the Twitter algorithm and also a huge beneficiary of it, I totally understand why people look at some of the bigger accounts and want to emulate that. One of the things I have never done is buy followers, and that means I've had kind of linear growth in my Twitter with every bump usually corresponding to some kind of crypto bull run. And I do get why people suddenly want to hack their way there with all kinds of clever techniques they read in guides. But as you and I know, just keeping it real is actually the thing that resonates because people can sense it. And it means that you don't have to strategize content, you just issue your thoughts into the internet. Yeah, just some scouting thoughts again. On Twitter, keeping it real gets you followers. On AirChat, keeping it real gets you friends.

7:04:59 It's funny, I was just thinking how nice it would be to be able to drop in a music link on this app. on this app or stream some music or something. Is there anything you'd recommend that you've listened to recently? You can drop links. There's the plus sign after you have done your shit. You can put photos and you can put any link there. The only rule of your chat... I guess there's no rules on your chat. There's one rule and it is talk now, tweet later. I'm just starting my morning walk and I would love it if I could kind of get a summary of interesting conversations without having to open up the UI. Just hit play and listen to it like a kind of dense podcast as I'm going for a walk or a jog. That's an idea for someone to make a summary of the latest and greatest of the last 24 hours or even 12 hours and put it in a podcast format you can just consume. There's a bunch of engineers, there's a designer and a few useless people, including me.

7:05:57 I think the chief officer who explains to community how Plus Button works should have the title of C++. Please report this person, he's giving fake advice. Let the easter egg chase begin. It is shocking how many generation-defining movies all came out in 1999 in that single year. It is actually quite shockingly a long list of good movies. Forget about the social network. Think about all the different characters. Not only the team, but the characters in the community. And the relationships between team members, team member and community, community member and community member. The different layers of topics and conversations.

7:06:48 The ups and downs the team's gone through with different versions of air chat. Oh my gosh. What a story. It was the night after Christmas, the devs are still coding. A slack thread begins, and a discussion starts exploding. We should burn the app down, and start one anew. And so they did, splitting up into two. They tried this, and then they tried that, and soon, like magic, the vision was exact. Locked away in Cuba, with bananas so ripe, they made their escape with potassium explosions. The timing, so right. Evidence is fleeting though, a fat finger gone wrong. Did it ever happen? Or to myth, does it belong? Today the journey continues, and the big launch looms. What will come next for Hair Chat? Will they bring back brooms? I'm very curious why there's a drastic difference in the quality of chocolates we get in India as compared to the ones imported from abroad. Even with the same brands, you can notice the difference so easily.

7:07:56 That's a common practice they've been doing for a long time. The brand is the same, but the contents of the product can change quite a lot depending on the purchasing power of the market, also the local taste and the competitive situation. So yeah, it's not the same product in all the markets. the air chat origin story movie would be the best new startup movie forget about the social network think about all the different characters not only the team but the characters in the community and the relationships between team members team member and community community member and community member the different layers of topics and conversations the ups and downs the team's done through with different versions of air chat oh my gosh what a story you caught air chat and that's how you activate dark mode on air chat if you like this content please like subscribe and turn the notification bell on for more tutorials just like this please report this person he's giving fake advice wow i wonder what doki doki means because there is a doki doki something store in Ometosando Hills in Tokyo, which is one of the weirdest stores I've ever been in.

7:09:08 And the store hunter is this girl who dresses up in the craziest ways. Anyway, yeah, Doki Doki brings back some memories. Doki Doki means the sound of a beating heart. So like essentially it's what like your heart would sound like. It's just used a lot to be like really cute, like Doki Doki sounds. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only? because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciator in order to execute this one. It's true. I would also liken this conversation to the raw unbridled chaotic dance of nature and the universe. A tripod voice dance. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one air chat is the dark souls of ascii art or voice art it's sale writing or just plain chat gpt yeah that's a fair point in fact air chat seems like a really great way to collect data even to for example create a robot that can imitate people on the app so it's definitely something to look at but for now it's pretty cool follow me for more insightful philosophy where are you leading us prophet astray is this what it's called addiction switching did they ever petri did they ever matter birds think so and for the real artists here how do you do ascii art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript. So you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one.

7:11:00 Instead of just direct transcription, we need an agent also looking for activation keywords, and then we can have a whole suite of tools we can use with our voice. Voice, me, bots. When are we going to have an API on AirChat? It's hard to say. They've definitely missed the boat in AI, but that's because they've never been good at cloud stuff. On the other hand, they have the best hardware-software combination on the iPhone, and they're even building their own chips, and they do it really well. So I think a lot of it just depends on whether AI can unseat them or not. And if AI turns out to be as important as a lot of people are projecting, then that is a threat to Apple. And if AI is overblown or kind of at the peak of a local hype cycle and needs 10 years to mature, then Apple has a good chance, and they need to start buying a couple of AI companies. Although right now, the AI companies are so overpriced that Apple may not be ready to stomach that. Is there a chance that Apple will have the Nokia fate? Nokia was good with hardware, but it was never really good at software. And in this case, Apple never really has been good with the cloud. And if AI is becoming its new computing platform, and yes, there is the AI component, the hardware component in it, but could that be the case that Apple is actually missing the whole thing and becoming the new Nokia?

7:12:11 Fair enough. It is good that they tried something new since Jobs' roadmap was done, because I'm assuming that AirPods and Apple Watch were still on Jobs' roadmap. Jobs was mainly about the big radical ideas. He was first when he came in the 90s, he chopped down the whole variety of different devices into almost a single one and saved the company. Then it was the music industry with the MP3s and the iPods and then come the other devices, the phones, etc. So I wonder whether Apple can still do this type of completely new eras where it hops different technologies and defines new categories. And is that still possible or is everything already invented or where is the new Steve Jobs? Okay, time to delete Twitter off my phone again. Way too fucking addicting. All social media apps really, but that is my crutch is Twitter. So bye-bye for probably another month.

7:13:00 Air chat engaged. Is this what it's called? Addiction switching? Yes, I'm quitting cigarettes and I'm switching to Zins, baby. I kid you not, I fundamentally believe one of Apple's best new features is the voice memo transcription. It's amazing, especially for all of my South American, very loquacious friends. So I think I'm going to love this app. But question for everyone. If you also hate the sound of your own voice, how do you get over this cringe? Do you actually ever re-listen to your own voice memos or do you just listen to the voice memos of other people almost everybody hates their own voice because it sounds different within your skull than the rest of the world but you get used to it well one way is that you start your podcast and then you edit your own podcast and then you get so sick and tired of your own voice that you just get used to it and that's the end of it but i think if you just listen to yourself long enough you get used to it and you just get over it so it's just something pretty natural for almost everyone so i wouldn't be worrying too much about it and hey it's your voice. Next stop Dubai. Bon voyage. Maybe as a Morse code. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one. I'm actually much more disappointed with the smart speaker with Apple's HomePod. Being in the smart speaker in the home space for almost a decade there's so much more that can be done and so much more to add and innovate in that space with that product.

7:14:28 I think the Vision Pro first version, some of the demos really blew me away. Obviously, again, it's version one, so it's gonna be bulky, heavy, gonna be annoying on the forehead and on the head, but there's definitely potential there, and you see where Apple is going with it. You can tell where they wanna get to. So I'm actually more excited with the Vision Pro. The HomePod, again, this being a voice note social media, I think there's so much more potential, especially if things start moving more towards voice. And again, looking at this app, for example, there's so much more to do with smart speakers. The whole Apple's smart home concept and implementation has been really not that great. They have just a few devices there and it's not really compatible with the rest of the things. So there's so much they could do on that front, but even the home app is just horrendous. For example, if you have some sensors, there's no way to make it to stop sending notifications every 10 seconds or so. It's just ridiculous.

7:15:16 So it's just like somebody did something for a few months and then the whole app has been forgotten. And the certification of devices only have a few of them, and they are pretty expensive ones. So there's no integration of open source protocols and the regular standards, so you could just plug in your devices. So I guess the speaker goes to that same category. I have a pressing question at the top of my mind. What would beatboxing on this app get transcribed as? Thank you for watching my videos, and please remember to subscribe and hit that bell. Ah, so, desne. is there a verb for using this app yet like you know for twitter it's tweeting for insta it's instaing kind of for tiktok i don't think there is one yet or tiktoking i don't know that's a verb but yeah have you thought of that because what it's going to be airing is that right because as soon as you hear the word airing it's like oh airing dirty laundry or something i would go for voicing it's just occurred to me by i was just tweeting by saying first you voice than you tweet.

7:16:19 Are you connected to any AirPlay devices or something else? I tried to reproduce it, and I can't seem to not pause something. Usually the system controls will always force the audio to stop, even on the lock screen. So I'm not sure if you also tried restarting the phone to see if that helps. It was in the previous one. I think I've seen it maybe two weeks, three weeks or so. This is where Naval and Brian Norgard don't sleep for the next 30 days. I just realized that that's something that's common. Both of them, Brian has been complaining that he has difficulties of sleeping all his life. And Naval is up here, I think, in the last seven days, at least once, 5 a.m. I don't know what that tells about AirChat, but probably 24-7 full service and availability is on the horizon. They'll be okay. It's pure dedication to the thing they're building.

7:17:14 I'm sure in two or three years it'll come down. But like a new baby, you don't sleep for the first two years. Or three. When does AirChat get dark mode? There are corners of dark humor here. What do you reckon will be the hashtag equivalent for AirChat? Keywords. The Mad6 spoken words. The tricker words. So instead of screenshots, I get to collect error snippets. Am I correct? The virality of these soundbites is actually gonna be interesting because even that example, the link Novel gave doesn't actually tell the whole story. Somebody was asking, "Can I do my disease?" and that was the response, but you don't get that from the Novel's response. You have to go back and that's why it makes it a little bit more complicated to get the full picture and get the joke and the pun intended.

7:18:08 My girlfriend keeps telling me to delete this app, but I like it. You are clearly talking to strangers. Can I sell this as an NFT? Choose your mode. Every app is a dating app. Radio hosts will make a killing here. Every piece of viral content is either informational, aspirational or relatable and I challenge you to give me an example that isn't. There's no one as active as Nawal on this app. Nawal, how many hours are you spending on here? Every hour I can, I built this app for myself. Petri, I think after the launch on the App Store, we are done with content bankruptcy. Keep scrolling. What do you think? Is that another word for intense? We could say that.

7:18:59 Where do you see this app going in the long term? 10 years from now, what do you want it being exactly? Man, that cracks me up because I really started building this three months ago, or at least this version. But yeah, I do have a vision. I want everybody in the world talking on air chat as civil and polite human beings and getting along, or at least conversing in a civil way about their differences. If the leaders of the world communicate with each other on Twitter, we're all going to die in a nuclear holocaust. People have to talk to each other like people, not yell at each other like they're talking heads on CNN. Yeah, I know the team had been working on the laser projector for a long time, even before this whole GBT race kicked off. Really, I think the projector is there because as great as audio is, there are often situations and scenarios where either you don't want something to be playing out loud or you're in a place where you can't really speak out loud and maybe it's a really noisy environment. And in that case, having some level of visual feedback is needed.

7:19:49 And I hope in the future that all LLMs, too, just get really good enough that we can completely pivot to this idea of just interacting with voice only. I know there was a big boom of AI assistants back when there was this kickoff of smart home devices with Google Assistants and Alexas and Siri HomePods. And that died down because they weren't smart enough and people didn't really like the replies. But now we're aiming for hopefully this new wave of assistants that will sort of push the idea of voice interfaces forward. And that'll be really exciting. I think it's close to 10 years ago when there was this new device, which was pretty much the same size and the shape. It took pictures every 10 minutes, so every 10 seconds or 30 seconds you would define the time. and I was having that while in a tech conference in different places and it was called Memento, Memento, something like that in the first place and they changed the name. And it had reactions from people because they started to act weirdly because they are now being recorded.

7:20:39 Obviously, it was low-rise, two megabyte big images and yeah, it was a public place, but that was the reaction at the time and then I finally gave up on it. But it was really nice. You could remember what was happening. If you were, for example, in a tech conference, you could see the patches and so you would recollect whom you were talking with and what happened. So it had a lot of advantages, but the social impact of it was also interesting. Okay, so I'm going to kind of start a topic on the productivity tools. Who uses Calendly, kind of the mini organization tools? Is Calendly one of the best tools? Are there any alternatives that are better than Calendly? I know this debate is huge on Twitter. Have you checked out cal.com? I think that's starting to overtake Calendly. It's open source, and it's pretty good. the free version gets you covered almost in everything and probably in areas where the currently is already in the paid version. I think you're right from a creator perspective that you are more successful for having more intense opinions and you know you're kind of spot on in saying that TikTok really isn't meant for conversation but my question is how does that end up affecting our culture and how especially even like younger people interact with one another if they believe that the normal way that people speak and the normal way that people interact with politics is just so divisive and so hard set one way or the other.

7:22:00 I mean, that's the main way that people are now consuming media and learning their news. So I'm just scared of how this ends up affecting our future. This piles up on a multitude of levels. It starts from our psychology. We are driven to negativity because it keeps us alive. So that new cell is the old media thing. And this is basically why it's so easy to start with the negative and positive doesn't interest us that much. Then coming to the algorithms, they are obviously feeding as well, which brings to more engagement and the negativity brings more engagement. In TikTok's case, it can even be that they might even intentionally drive for the havoc in the West. And all these things together, it's really hard to tackle. I think something can be done with the culture, right type of environment. And that's the platform, what they can do about human nature is what human nature is.

7:22:49 So in that sense, when the accounts are also anonymous, so you can hide and there are no consequences for your actions, it's easier to go to this type of behavior. Please welcome Varun Srinivasan, the other founder of Farcaster and Warpcaster, the technical genius behind the whole thing and a great guy to boot. Welcome to AirChat, Varun. One of the issues which is holding back Noste is actually its core community. It's really clicked and they are their favorites and they're not really welcoming. and there's a lot of weird stuff happening as well, like the Nostia.org and com domains are not really utilized properly and how they've been handled. Also, some of the other ones, it's not really done in a way that supports the total community. It's more like that, yeah, I prefer this one and I don't like this or that. So it's not embracing for the chaos and innovation.

7:23:39 And maybe people are starting to get a bit tired. Maybe the money is starting to run out. So people are a bit disappointed of not having the type of exponential growth it was a year ago, and that's eating out, but it definitely shows, and it's not helping for those who are now coming, and they're not really getting much support for anything what they're doing, or encouragement, or even money by the grants. But I'm definitely going to give it a proper checkout. It's just for the next couple of days. I have to finish off something. So my mind is occupied by this right now. But after this, I will have some time. And then I'll go check it out. Maybe I'll build my own bot because I do have credentials for Blue Sky. Hey, I'm on new AirChat. So does this mean it's okay for us to publicly talk about it and invite people?

7:24:29 I see a little invite present box, which lets me think that it's okay to be like, hey guys, who wants to get in on AirChat? Or are we still trying to be on the DL? You can start inviting people. That's what the invite box is now for. Given how small the images are on this app, I think you want something with a front-facing shot. I do like that it's iconic for you and represents your love for running, but I still think a front-facing shot would work better because it's just too hard to recognize you consistently with a smaller image of you against a colored background. It seems that you haven't put anything on the long pause of the profile picture, so maybe that would be a way to hover over some info. Hey, Arjun and Naval, I'm having trouble with my Apple ID, and I want to make sure that I don't lose access to my account. I'm not going to be able to sign in using my Apple ID to be able to access my account. Is there any way we could change my account to be using hello at Darius.design for an email login?

7:25:24 Because I'm unable to access my Apple ID right now. Okay, maybe it's a different issue if you have a generic issue with Apple ID. Because Apple has been having some issues with their servers lately. but in my case, the Apple ID worked and it stayed all good, but then the app returned back to the same start again, login mode. So if you're experiencing that, then deleting the app might work. I firmly believe that you should shamelessly support every single thing that every one of your friends works on ever. There's not much more to this. I think that as long as you have a good discriminator for choosing the right friends, This is just the type of energy that needs to be out in the world. You can choose your friends, you can choose your family and relatives. So that's the part where I don't think you can educate them.

7:26:16 Or maybe it's just a waste of time to try to change people. It's just better to focus on those who can be the ones you can choose and be around with. Yeah, I think the challenge of bringing this standard about your family is much greater. But I still don't think it's impossible. I think you're pointing out this, you're kind of grouping two things here. like saying that like the whole creation of culture and the placing your bets is a coupled with your ability to pick and choose who is who your bets are placed on and with. But actually, what I'm saying is like, okay, for your friends, yes, you should probably start with, you know, adjusting the pool in which you're betting on because that would increase your chances of success. But your family, I think, I don't know, I've noticed a lot of commercialist family times that have been unsupported by one another, like, if you if I come to the table with a deep and shameless support for them, through their hard times, as well as through their chase of endeavor and opportunity, I still stand a chance at creating the culture, and I have already in some way, shape, or form, and I'm working on it more and more. So I agree again and disagree.

7:27:11 Let me know what you think. I think what is true is it's more of a challenge when it comes to family. Check out Matt, aka The Saint. He has figured out the best profile picture route, which is he changes his profile picture constantly. It's all done in the exact same theme, so you still recognize him. And these are all his drawings. They're personal to him, so they also convey artistic expression style. Man, I wish I could pull that off. But you can train LLM with the style you like, and then you can make as many profile pictures as you like, so tech comes to save you. I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong, and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly and et cetera, et cetera, and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be.

7:28:01 Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you're actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through. I think we need stickers for AirChat. Or AirStickers, sound effects, but then you have to maybe present them also in a graphical way. AirChat is now live on the App Store. On the other hand, this is a real bug. I cannot pause or mute or stop or play Tom at this case, but any other one. So this works on iPhone but iPad does this thing and it's been doing that for some versions already, so I guess it qualifies as a bug. I'm sorry you can't get rid of me I didn't do that on purpose.

7:28:55 That's all right, it's a emergency bug fix just for me. On the other hand this is a real bug. I I cannot pause or mute or stop or play Tom at this case, but any other one. So this works on iPhone, but iPad does this thing, and it's been doing that for some verses already, so I guess it qualifies as a bug. Yeah, we have that one on our list overlapping into the bottom nav bar. You can still like or repost it by long pressing, but yes, we do need to fix it. Copying origin. That's nice. I didn't know about the long press. We think it's ready, and life is lived in the arena. not in the stand. Thanks. It's always fun to move on. Here's a lazy post.

7:29:42 Somebody was asking about barefoot shoes the other day and here are some of the shoes I have been personally trying and liking and they are also all available in Europe. I think the sandals are coming from the US but they are delivering obviously worldwide but the rest I think might be coming within the continent. It made me laugh and reminded me about my laziness because I am not just lazy about the post so easy about shoes. Yeah, the birthday shoes are the best ones. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at AirChat. Should we call that as chitcast, like podcast, the premium feature? When you're having an AirChat session, I think you would call it a chatter. The chit party probably, and you can imagine easily why that doesn't work so well, but maybe it's more memorable. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at the AirChat.

7:30:36 Is it just staying completely blank or when you restart the app, does it fix itself or can you pull down to refresh or anything like that? When you restart it works for me and this was from a previous one so it was just about a joke effect. Reporting a bug, my feed went blank, attaching a screenshot. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at the AirChat. You can't see it, but I did. That was a good practice run. Now do it with the video on. Unfortunately I have both my arms, so I'm going to have to dance like a two-armed chicken. Winged chicken. Which I can't with the video on. Such a pity, isn't it? Has anyone from the AirChat team checked the stats? How many people are doing posts daily? What is the amount of posts per day per person? And what are the most active users?

7:31:24 Not maybe by the name, but how much they're posting and how much is that of the total? Just curious, how narrow is the real content creator spectrum here? For example, is it just 1% of the users are creating 80% of the content? How does it go? Just scrolling the feed, I noticed a lot of the stuff coming up on my feed is coming from Courageous by Naval. And I'm following quite a many people, so just curious. For example, here are the stats by Blue Sky. I think you totally, totally get it. And it's been such a struggle for me, because with any book, I have to connect with it. It has to move me. It has to awaken curiosity within me. And Carlo Rovelli has been giving me that feeling again of like, okay, cool, there's a new obsession I can develop now. and my mind is getting blown away.

7:32:13 I feel like a child again. And what usually happens is then I go down this reddit hole. So I think you guys are going to hear me talking about all kinds of weird physics things because now it's like, wow, it's like literal witchcraft in science. And that is this thing called physics, quantum physics. It's just, it's witchcraft. I mean, witchcraft. So I'm enjoying that. And that's what I want when I read. I want to feel like a child. I want to feel like even though it is hard to understand, there's a certain awe, there's something in it. So yeah, there we go. There's another format of books, which I think might work. And that's audiobooks. For example, if you're somewhere enjoying a hike or you're in a beach or you're doing something else than reading. I think it's just that the visual format is just too daunting these days. But if you're driving or you're doing these type of things, standard fiction might work if you're having an audiobook format. And there's plenty of even free resources for that, even for the old classics, which are already out of copyright.

7:33:07 What is normal? Can we be normal? Do we want to be normal? It's okay. One of the weird things I do is misuse and abuse words in sometimes unexpected ways. Wow. I just thought that furries were people who were really ugly and so they wanted to have sex parties but they were too ugly to have sex parties so they just put on furry costumes. I don't know why I assumed that and it's probably wrong and I'm probably going to hell for it and going to get cancelled but that just seemed to make the most sense to me. Like if you're really unattractive, you want to go to an orgy, you just put on a furry suit. What is normal? Can we be normal. Do we want to be normal? I think might be coming within the continent.

7:34:10 I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong, and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly, etc., etc., and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be. Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, which some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you are actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through. Agreed. Somebody should sue them. Well, Epic did, and it didn't go too well, and a lot of other ones as well.

7:34:59 So they're having this almost monopoly, well, in their field they have, and then they're preventing others to do the job properly. and it's really bad for everyone and for the consumers. But it also shows how Apple doesn't really care about developers. It's all about end users. But in this case, it's a borderline. It affects directly the end users and their revenues, but they still don't care enough. Looking into it. I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly and et cetera, et cetera, and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be. Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, which some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you're actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through.

7:36:01 Important announcement for those of you on iOS. Air Chit is dead. but AirChat lives again. So please check your email for a test flight invite for the new AirChat, or even better, you should be able to go to the app store and download the new one shortly. But this is our release candidate. We're getting ready to put it out there into the wild. There will be no more updates on AirChat, so please switch to AirChat. What would even be the point of grandstanding on this app? What would be the point? If you get even a thousand followers, you can't communicate with them. You can't have conversations with them. It'll just be annoying. So the point of grandstanding is largely gone. And then if you have a quick back and forth conversation with somebody and I've had conversations on this app where we've exchanged 100 messages in five minutes that won't work if you want to be scripted. Rehearse the speeches or Instagram style of fashioning your photo and doing with the photo shoot and taking a day or two to put the setting and just a single photo and then you make your sponsorship money with that one. This type of behavior doesn't work here. If you just do your speech and it will completely be ignored and omitted on thousands of different auto messages and the query compacts which are happening, and that's the whole conversation.

7:37:02 It's not a single chip. So yeah, it's really hard here if you are not ready to engage. And yes, I have the same beef with the Oura Ring, and I keep buying these devices and throwing them out because they just end up being useless. I actually just want a great real-time heart rate sensor and step sensor. That's all I want. The day that the Apple Watch incorporates both of those, all these other products are done to me. And if you just want to have it, for example, the heart rate, just for the exercise, you could get it as the chip, plug that type of band and beam it to your iPhone. And that's the way to go then. Or maybe it even works with Apple Watch. But there's no other extra sensor needed. But obviously it's a band which you have to wear. So it's not probably the best for the regular everyday life, but for the exercise, it can do the job. I do have a band. I use it for working out.

7:37:49 That's exactly correct. But I want to get rid of the chest strap band and I want to have something on my wrist, which is good enough. And that is the opportunity for a whoop. I just find that when I'm working out, the Apple heart rate sensor and the Apple Watch just breaks down. It starts lagging, and it's way behind, and it's not accurate enough. I'm probably at the limit of the number of people I can handle. So as we add more people to the network, I'll get more selective in who I follow, but probably not increase my total follow count. Didn't you say the other day that you can handle 1,000 people? What changed? On this app, if you follow 500 people, you're effectively following 5,000, because you get to see all the people they're in conversations with. I mostly agree with the reason I know of all. The problem with Gmail, though, is that they won't allow you to take your Gmail address with you if you want to move somewhere else. And migrating all the emails that you have exchanged over many years of using Gmail address will be a headache. And people just won't do it.

7:38:38 Or maybe it's not even possible. I'm not sure, actually. And it's not the case with these sell clients. You can move anything with you. But you're right that Gmail has built such an ecosystem around the Gmail account that it's really troublesome to move away from it. You can't use any Gmail service like Google Drive, Google Photos, or what have you, Google Docs. You can't use Android phones without a Gmail account. So all of these tools and services around the Gmail account prevent you from moving away. So I think it will all depend on how much of an ecosystem the clients of decentralized social media will be able to build around their apps and platforms in order to lock in the users. And maybe we'll see a few competing clients, not just Gmail and Yahoo, like in the email world, but maybe there will be three or four or five dominant clients that people will use. Similar to also another example could be the browsers, right?

7:39:29 So far Chrome is dominant, but we'll see Arc becoming very popular, brave, picking up some momentum, etc. So I'm not sure if they can overtake and get a bigger share, but I think shifts can be possible. If you're using the Google Workspace, the paid version of the Gmail, then you can use your own domain. So the service is coming from Google, but you have your own email account. So you can, that way, have the portability. Also, the export and import can be done with the IMAP if you're using that one. So in that way, you can also, even with the Gmail, you can get the emails out. But yes, it's very locking. Also, another thing is that I think there were some articles, blog posts, many years back already, where people were saying that it's almost like Oligopoly. It's Microsoft and Google. And if those are blocking your mail server or your address, if you're having a third party, something else, you're completely blocked, more or less.

7:40:26 And people just don't receive your emails, and they don't know that they're not going to spam. They just never appear on your inbox. And that's actually happening quite a lot. So that's the real problem with the protocols, which de facto are not any more protocols in the purest sense of the word. I love it. I'd like to become a grand chifter as well one day. on Twitter maybe the time for that is reply guy not sure on Twitter reply guy is an insult on air chat it's a compliment well it's hacking multi-party conversations so you started a thread somebody else is talking about it they're kind of keeping you apprised of it and yes you only need one notification until you come in and check the thread so maybe you just get one until you come into the app but it would be nice then when you leave again that you get tagged again and get brought back in as that thread is up to date. BlueSky and Nost had quite many health threats, as they are called, because there was a lot of people tagged in and people didn't have the tools to get out of them. And they were like spamming chain mails where each and every reply all just kept it going. And that was a nightmare. So if you have an order tagging and just make sure that people can get rid of it and not get spammed with the notifications, and it cannot be abused in that way. Anyway, I'm not sure what viral really means because all the conversations this platform are one-on-one. So usually what'll happen is somebody will ask a question that a lot of different people will answer and it'll turn into a bunch of different one-on-one conversations. But I don't really think it goes viral in the traditional sense where lots and lots of people just glom on and like and repost, but you know, there's not actually any conversation going on.

7:42:00 How would you even export these things? Because these are discussions and you have to use the native app here to make sense out of them and navigate different conversations within the bigger convo. And does it look really appealing if you just take screenshots and the audio, or if you screen record the audio and then you scroll along the speeds? I don't think that's for anyone who has any kind of patience left, even for them, it's going to be a hard pass to just watch the video passively. Or maybe it works as a podcast, but that's just another thing. So, virality might be a small clips, bite-sized type of few sentences which take off and back to interest to come here and check it out. When we release it with the App Store, you'll see our attempts at doing simple exports, but you're right. This content is best consumed in the context of the app, as the app is very tightly designed, and exporting it as a video is not going to be a compelling experience.

7:42:55 Protick, I'm in public, bro. I cannot be laughing loud. But yeah, I'm a monk. Stick away. I say laugh out loud like you're a crazy person. Do it as much and as often as possible. Who cares if they think you're nuts? You know the truth, I know the truth, and the universe knows the truth. God bless. Have a great day, my man. Maybe that could be a feature. Other people could suggest highlights, and then you could pick them up. So if you forget to do that, or you don't think it's important, but you see that it's actually catching up, and other people find it valuable, so maybe you can pin it up then if maybe enough people are highlighting or suggesting to highlight it. I think part of that feature is already existing, so I could highlight it if I had access to highlight on Android. Right now I don't have it. The one place where I find highlights very difficult is the scroll room that comes with highlighting. So if I highlight too many things, I'm stuck in the scroll room to figure out what I highlighted.

7:43:46 So all the important chats don't retain in your memory, and at one point when you want to go look back, it's a long room for scrolling. So right now I have a lot of screenshots in my phone from AirChat because most important stuff is actually screenshotted. For years I have stopped collecting things like bookmarks and taking screenshots and whatnot. If it's important, I will remember it. And if it's not, then I will do it again or I will rediscover it. But I just noticed that I'm not really good at going back to things. And oftentimes it's not just worth it. There's always some new stuff coming along. And what sticks, sticks. And so are we. Indeed, I actually said some of these things already maybe yesterday, but because of the nature of this new one, let's go again because I cannot point to them anymore and I don't know where they are. Yes, this is more like a TikTok in a way that in TikTok the content is in the center. You're getting served new and new content, but the person is in the background and you cannot probably even associate the person to the topics because there are no more rooms.

7:44:41 So the topics used to go with the room. So it's like, hey, that person always talks about that one. And that's how you associate with that person. and you remember that person because if there's tens or hundreds of people, somehow you have to label them even loosely to associate and have some kind of connection to remember them. But since almost everybody at HR is sleeping at the moment, they are coming back with some kind of, they haven't revealed, but my guess is it's going to be topics, channels, semi-private, private groups where you can talk and you can associate things. So it's something along the lines of rooms, probably a little bit more lighter implementation. So now it's the time to highlight this. Unfortunately, on Android I can't access highlights, so that's the reason I miss on half of the fun and half of the superpower user aspects of this app. This time I took the liberty to not at all depend on my iPad, so I stopped carrying my iPad with me for AirChat on my travels this time. And until now it's working very well with Android, except for the highlight button.

7:45:35 But please highlight all of these things so that you don't have to repeat it. Maybe that could be a feature. Other people could suggest highlights and then you could pick them up. So if you forget to do that or you don't think it's important, but you see that it's actually catching up, and other people find it valuable. So maybe you can pin it up then if maybe enough people are highlighting or suggesting to highlight it. Oh, it's harder to find here content, so you take what is available right now, serve to you in your feed, and if there's nothing of interest, maybe you don't start a new topic and make it like a thread you can do in Twitter. I actually did something like yesterday, and it hasn't been picked up at all. Maybe it was just buried because it was 12 hours, 10 hours before the California people are waking up. Yes, I also noticed that when I would post something from Europe, it was hardly picked up. And when people woke up and if they were waking up in certain energy or in certain mood, then you would notice that automatically what you have thought of or what you have wished to communicate here gets buried.

7:46:38 And that burying feeling sometimes worries your heart too. I must say. And then you're like, you know what? It's okay. That's how the function of this particular design is. Surprisingly, when I go to bed in Europe, I will expect that there's a lot of interesting conversations happening during the day. But in some days, I'm quite disappointed that not much has happened. It's when I wake up and it's the California evening night almost when the conversation starts to catch up. So that's just an observation. It doesn't always work. But there seems to be that type of tendency as well. And the other day I was actually checking whether those people who were having deep conversations are still doing them and it was not surprising that a few which I checked were not active at all because it doesn't probably nudge them the right way to make them to talk. I have also noticed that and observed that even for myself, I have noticed that part of my personality has shifted about the things that I want to share on this platform. Again, very interesting, all because of design. So interesting. And I think it's also easier to have extremely superficial conversation on this design. And this is what I am kind of looking forward to see what happens in this context. And I'm pretty sure AirChat team has devised a way to circumvent that. But for some reason, my brain is still looking out for those signals.

7:47:58 to see what happens after the launch, what kind of people come in, what kind of conversations come out. The same behavior can be also seen if you post into different platforms. For example, Mustard and Blue Sky, Noste and Threads and whatever other ones you can come up with. They tend to have a different type of cultures. So even though you would even put the same message out, you probably are going to phrase it a little bit differently based on the type of people. And maybe you're doing also self-censorship and not put some of the stuff out in all places. And I don't know whether it's good or not, but that's the nice stuff of the social media. Also, in some sense, synchronize, even though we do this async. But if you are not here right now when we're talking, the conversation is over in some sense. Yes, it can be picked up later on, like in the parties when you go off for a while, or maybe you pick up the conversation from the previous party, but it's probably not the same conversation anymore.

7:48:49 Also, the other thing that most importantly lends to this kind of difference in nature is this one-to-one conversation thread aspect that has come into this airtight, versus the room aspect that happened to exist in the previous airchart. So in the previous airchart, the back and forth could happen between a group without worrying so much about what was said to follow, like what was said by the ex-person because, you know, the following was just simple, go back and come in front. But here, you have to click on the heads of different people to identify who has said what in order to figure out if you're not repeating something that's already been conversed. And sometimes the conversation has drifted to a certain other topic that after looking into that drift, a lot of us would not want to contribute. This is also another way the design of the platform has lent into the way the content has been created. There's nothing wrong about it. It's just interesting to see how design can change human interaction. And I think that's the reason why human interaction design is such an important part of technology or creating technological products. Oh, it's harder to find here content. So you take what is available right now, serve to you in your feed. And if there's nothing of interest, maybe you don't start a new topic and make it like a threat you can do in a Twitter.

7:49:54 I actually did something like yesterday and it hasn't been picked up at all. Maybe it was just married because it was 12 hours, 10 hours before the California people are waking up. Today we are open sourcing and sharing an AI longevity assistant we call SQL. SQL is completely private. We don't see or get any of your files. They're all stored locally. You can upload any blood work, DEXA scans, MRIs and talk to a complete picture of your health. You can run a totally local LLM or you can use OpenAI for a more advanced experience. Even in that situation, we never see any of your data. Your laptop communicates directly with the OpenAI API and it comes directly back to your laptop. If you'd like to check it out, it's withsql.com and we'd love any feedback and help making this app better from the open source software community. The biggest flaw I saw with Noster when approaching the decentralized GitHub bounty was the server side, the relays. Everybody was trying to make a client.

7:50:48 Like I said, there's a million clients, but the relays were neglected. Everybody's just piggybacking off of this relay called Stir Fry. It's in C++. It's a great syncing system, or at least the best that we've got in our time. And it's all that we really have in terms of top of the line. And so often, when you make a new app that does something beyond text, You have to end up making a custom Nostra Relay to support it. Because Nostra Relays only support text right now. So if you try to build a decentralized YouTube, or if you try to do decentralized SoundCloud, which people have tried, SoundCloud on Nostra is called Stemster, and then the YouTube is called Flare. Both of those require custom relays. And that's really inefficient because if I'm a relay operator, I want to choose multiple apps that I want to support.

7:51:44 Like, I want to be able to run one piece of software and click the boxes. Like, I want to host data for this and for this and for this and for these people. I don't want to have to run 20 different freaking programs. I have to run 20 relays, one for each different app, have a database for each one. It would be a nightmare. My machine wouldn't be able to handle it as efficiently. So what the Hornet Storage Relay aimed to do is utilize these Merkle DACs so that we can support all types of files. It unlocks the landscape and future-proofs it. So if anybody wants to build any type of app, you can plug it into the Hornet Storage Relay. And any of the relay operators can run a Hornet Storage Relay and manage everything from their control panel and manage what type of apps they want to host data for, even restrict certain file extensions if they don't want to host videos. It's up to them. Power's in their hands. And we had to build that whole new relay system before we could even get started on building the GitHub.

7:52:38 It took almost a year. So we had to invent the universe before we could bake the pie, like Carl Sagan says. And I think it's finally going to really pay off because people will be able to use the 100 storage relay for so many other things and it's going to solve such a huge flaw across all of Nostra. And it's going to do it while delivering the GitHub bounty in one swoop. When that moment is right, it might come after you because somebody said that you can only have like seven dogs if a dog lives a decade or so you can only have a limited amount of dogs so in that sense maybe the solution is needed only after your time humanity goes at its own space but you have a very narrow limited window of doing things and seeing the results so in that sense yeah things take time and time is not on your side a life built on shifting science no no say it ain't so. Genes come and go, but memes are forever. Unfortunately, my all-time favorite air chat conversation got deleted. It was one that Andy and Cameron had about bananas, and it was better than anything since Abbott and Costello. It was literally a slapstick routine. Unfortunately, Andy accidentally fat-fingered his account and deleted it, so the conversation was lost. But maybe Sigil can dig up the screenshots in the archive somewhere, because damn, that was so good.

7:53:56 Oh no, we lost a banana. Everybody's going bananas and we're just total nuts now. So how do we kick off and do a banana 2.0 version? Correct. This app is for the other 99% who actually genuinely want to have one-on-one conversations with each other and aren't here to influence and broadcast and control. Also in some sense, synchronize even though we do this async, but if you are not here right now when we're talking this, the conversation is over in some sense. Yes, it can be picked up later on like in the parties when you go off for for a while or maybe you pick up the conversation from the previous party but it's probably not the same conversation anymore it seemed like no stir has basically died out not made it hard to say but it doesn't seem to be doing anywhere near as well as farcaster i don't know where it is right to blue sky but no stir seemed like it was closer to the correct answer in case of brazil and x i think that's the closest but there's still other solutions there are telegrams and there are facebook and whatnot so it's not really that you are in a corner and you really need to go out to something new which hasn't been tested and it's new for everyone and it's weird. Like Facebook was when it started or like Instagram was when it started. But those had real issues. You wanted to meet people and maybe date with Facebook and the universities.

7:55:05 Instagram was the real photo app for the masses. And with the filters, you could just hide your not-so-perfect pictures. And it was okay just to throw pictures, which was a paradigm shift. I looked at decentralized social media a little bit, and I came to the conclusion that it's almost impossible to properly decentralize because there tends to be a network effect around the dominant a client, and then the client itself becomes a point of centralization. It's not like in Cryptoland where you can have two different implementations of the clients that are maintained by open source developers and then can be run in competition with each other because those are relatively simple and they're the same feature set. But in social media, the clients will have divergent feature sets and it turns into a winner-take-all just based on the quality of the client. And that client in the center has the same ability to censor and control and capture revenues as all the others. So I don't know how it actually stays decentralized in practice. Threads made us Fetiverse players, so to speak.

7:55:54 I opened the API yesterday for the devs, and the API is coming open on end of June. The interesting thing which I pointed out from the documentation was that in order for an app, third-party app, to upload images or videos, you need to have a server for that one. So they will actually download it from a publicly available server to images. You cannot directly put them like in any other platform. This makes me think that is it just the influence of the big buffer.coms who are doing it that way, or is it a regular thing from the playbook that, yeah, we're big enough, we're gonna download the Fediverse, the activity pop, by our dominance, and we will take it over like Microsoft did with the browser wars in the 90s. - For anyone interested in language learning, the app Link, that's L-I-N-G-Q, I think is an excellent way to improve your comprehension through reading and listening to real content, stuff you might find interesting, and most importantly, you're learning words in context and not obsessing over memorizing grammar. And like on Duolingo, for example, where you learn words completely out of context instead of complete phrases.

7:56:58 And there's just not enough volume of listening and reading going on. And the way this app is set up is, I think, extremely good. Speakly is also worth checking out. I was using it some years back and I really found it was the best one at the time I could find. I've never heard of this. This looks really cool it looks like they can really personalize it to what you speak about as well which is of course the key the whole language islands idea i couldn't have said it any better and i agree with you 100 and that's why i think it's such a difficult problem to solve you cannot be idealistic about it you really have to be practical to solve this so but i agree with you 100 The curse or the superposition of this is that whatever you do, it will cause some consequences, meaning people will start to do that more to get what they want or trying to gain the algorithm. So even though you wouldn't like to have fake replies, fake content in order for just to filter, feed or try to make people to look your posts so they can follow you.

7:58:08 And this all just puts up the signal to noise ratio to the wrong direction. So it's really hard to make a system which is not gamed or is resistant to all this algo gaming. So my Android has got this thing of cutting the beginning and the end of my chits sometimes, so I have had to record. But I agree with you because human beings are always looking for ways to game systems. It's just the nature of things. And I've had multiple web applications running. And the thing that I see is that there are people looking for loopholes and ways to game systems and ways to exploit systems. And to be alive is to be able to handle all of that and set up barriers that reward the kind of behavior you want to encourage. but it's not an easy thing and that's why I can admit that I would not be the right person to to be handling that at this time but I agree with what you're saying here.

7:59:03 Exactly and all you have to do is check to see if you feel toasty or not. Creepy Critters that's a reference from Atomic Heart I've been playing lately it's in Game Pass in Xbox and Deathloop which is the Groundhog's Day remake or just a variation of it where you have to start the day over and over again. It's in four segments, the morning, noon, afternoon and the evening and you have to figure out how to do things. And I think in this air chat context, it could be chasing the endless bugs and you have to fix them in a certain order of the day. And if you are not doing it correctly, you have to start over again. So how many loops have you already been doing? A new touring test is a creativity test. This might be the IKEA test for 80% of the people. After a certain amount of time, it may become apparent that they are not creating that much of a new thought or remixing the old ones.

7:59:58 What's usually what everybody's doing, but putting it in a way that's unpredictable, but still it has that signature of a person. A hard challenge. If you are not allowed to do likes, how would you replace it? Yeah, this is what Hacker News does. So I can see votes on comments I've made, but I can't see those of others. I remember it didn't always used to be the way on Hacker News. And I seem to remember Paul Graham talking about this change. It was probably 10 years ago now when it was made. But yeah, that could be a simple solution. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the joke. They chose that number intentionally. Somebody's learning from history or not, and just repeating all the Freddie Mac and AAA points, and piling up things, and putting things on top of things, and deriving things from syndicating, and synthesizing things which were not real in the first place, starting from a file name and then going all downhill from there.

8:00:51 But hey, as long as it's fungible, divisible, and sellable, we can do it. Just hold Bitcoin and make things that solve real problems for real people. Because you have an NFT, a non-fungible token, it's not easily divisible or tradable because it's one of a kind. So what you want is an ERC-404, which makes non-fungible tokens fungible again. And so you can fungify your NFT, and then people can trade it, and it's divisible. I'm sorry, I can't. It's just all the state of things is just too embarrassing. I can't even joke anymore. Yeah, and it's not like they're running out of numbers. So 404 is not really good a marketing term, isn't it? Especially on crypto, full of scams and everything fake. So putting it not found as an indication, one of the most, if not the most known error message in the whole history of internet.

8:01:47 Yeah, I mean, that's the joke. They chose that number intentionally. And then I think the other aspect of it is then with the rise of TikTok, it's almost like the anti-Instagram. So content creators who thrive on Instagram might not necessarily thrive on TikTok and sometimes vice versa. because TikTok basically is like anti-status or democratizing virality for folks who may not have had the chance to go viral on Instagram. And then for the folks who are on Instagram who double down status, it doesn't always translate to TikTok. I don't really think we want to go into nuances of both, but I just wanted to draw that as well. Those who became famous on TikTok, they needed to anchor their audience to YouTube or Instagram to monetize it. And that was then the complete loop. It's interesting how the room feature created more theme focused, that's kind of obvious, but also more ongoing discussions around a certain topic. And it created a place in my mind where I always know where to put something.

8:02:50 Sometimes that led to a conflict where I didn't know where to put some thought and that led me to not put it on AirChat. having this place where I know people are interested in what I want to share, based on a certain theme, I think that was pretty nice. I wonder how one could recreate some sort of dynamic in this version. It also made it easier to associate some people, so you have like a category. And now this feels more like a TikTok, where the content, the cheat is in the focus, and the person fades away a bit. And if you're not going to the profile, you don't even get the name, Maybe you even forget if you have many people in the feed, so you don't see them that often. So the rooms were a nice way of getting to know the people and somehow mentally labeling, getting familiar with them, and now that's gone. As you know, this is a pretty niche feature, so it's not something we'll get to anytime soon.

8:03:40 And it's compounded by the problem that we have users who are coming in with Apple ID and Google Play ID, so we don't even have their phone numbers. So really, you'll be better off either spelling out the phone number for quite a while, or if I may suggest an alternative, which is both Telegram and Signal, have usernames. So you can just give them your telegram or signal username. You can also upload a screenshot of your QR code as an image. But that requires them to use two devices. It's a little more complicated. But I would just use your signal username or telegram username. I think that'll fill the gap quite nicely for quite a while. Or you could allow typing on the DMs. Yeah, it's about signaling, isn't it? First of all, did someone see it? Then it's, hey, I acknowledge the ha-ha-ha type of a comment, but not as strong as reply, or it doesn't require reply, or I don't know how to reply. So I should be able to somehow indicate and tell you that, yeah, I liked what you were, or I get it, what you're saying there. But how to do that?

8:04:30 Facebook had a poke, but that's fast for the person. So maybe we need something else than likes, but anyway, they will be probably and most likely used as likes because we're so used to those. Yeah, you're right. Seeing and acknowledging sometimes can be one and the same. Because it's a non-verbal communication. Eyes can tell you that things are acknowledged. I don't know how one can replicate this digitally I think one best way to replicate it digitally would be you would allow a person to see things or show that the person has seen things if they have heard you until the end of your chat because if that happens that means a person took the time to listen to you and take knowledge because that's what this platform is doing making you listen so that's how I would look at because with seen in the previous one even if people would just come by and drop by and just have a look without even putting much effort into understanding what you have posted, that would be counted as scene. And I think one has to become a bit more real life with regards to scene because you can't see things till the time you finish listening to them. I mean, I hope you get the gist. But I think that's one way you could acknowledge scene. And the Facebook poke thing, I'm actually not on Facebook anymore, but I used to be in the past. And I remember when poke came out, my friends and myself, my friends got crazy. They went nuts and they were using poke in every single action. So I didn't even know what was the point of poke. They would just poke people around. That was a fun game that people would play. But it's a very good exercise to think about smart ways of bringing social interactions closer to what real life interactions are because that's what audio would do in real life. I actually sometimes wonder what was the psychology of picking all of this up you know and how did this all got picked up was it just like ah we are seeing more reactions from people so let's start to stick to it and then the other one just blindly followed what the first platform did. Do you have any idea Petri? Most of the digital contribution signaling whatever we're doing is based on the advertising model, views, getting engagements to get more views. It's about views.

8:06:24 Everything is about views. That's tilting and biasing the whole thing. It's not really about the human communication. It's more serving ads and getting ad revenue by showing the stats and views to get money for the platform, not for the content creators. Currently, you cannot see views. You can only see likes. Is your reply worth anything if there are no likes or reboosts. You know there's ghosts in the machine. Airbusters. A harder challenge. If you are not allowed to do likes, how would you replace it? I think you can replace it with the scene section of what used to be there previously on our air chat, right? Which would mean that people have acknowledged or have at least seen this so you have an acknowledgement of this eye of the scene. But obviously a like would then make sense. to happen only if you have said something or or implied something that really makes sense that's how i think it'll work it's not that hard i think the whole concept of these likes is so stupid it's good to replace it yeah it's about signaling isn't it it's that first of all did someone see it then it's hey i acknowledged the ha ha ha type of a comment but not as strong as reply or it doesn't require reply or i don't know how to reply so i should be able to somehow indicate and tell you that yeah i liked what you were or i i i get it what you're saying there but how to do that facebook had a poke but that's fast for the person so if you need something else than likes but anyway they will be probably and most likely used as likes because we're so used to those today i will kill mosquitoes do you have this one oh my god i need this oh my god now i have to pass a touring test Turing test is piece of cake compared to dad test. All humans seek validation. Validation means the tribe likes you. You'll survive. It's the status game again. And social media is all about status.

8:08:23 But what's good status? What's bad status? What are ways of earning status that are legitimate? Yesterday, there was a post on threats where one account had 1.3 million, I think this was on Instagram, non-follower engagement of views and practically zero from their followers. And the complain was that those people who are willingly and intentionally wanting to view the posts are not served them, but they get new people, new growth. And that was the comment by the Instagram, that, hey, look at the non-followers you're getting. Isn't that good enough? Hey, guys, I'm super excited to share my season three of the podcast. Every year I do one season and each season has 12 conversations with friends and people I really like.

8:09:09 having conversations with. And this year, thanks to AirChat, I am so thrilled to have conversations with some of the smartest people and sweetest friends that I've made here. So thanks, Nova. Thanks, AirChat team. But I would like to share my first ever episode of season three featuring our own, Ina. Hope you guys enjoyed. Who's talking about AI on AirChat? Two of the top authorities in decentralized AI are on this platform. We have Imad, who founded Stability AI and is extremely bullish on decentralizing AI more than ever before. And then you have David Johnston, who wrote the paper on decentralized applications, who is completely all out building the decentralized AI movement, which I think is beautiful. If users aren't interested in transcription when watching the video, the video could transition with an animation to take over the entirety of the speech ball.

8:10:10 So it's larger but not full screen. It doesn't take them out of context. There's no layout update so that things don't shift around. And then when you shift onto the next chit, it just animates back into the circle. Limitations are a feature, not a puck. Yeah, I was really just musing on ways you could expand the size of the video without having to take over the entire UI and without breaking kind of an existing layout. But yeah, this is more just ideas rather than I think it should be done. Personally, the video thing doesn't really appeal to me, except maybe in special cases where I would use it. So yeah, no, I agree. Keep it with the ideas, and the more minimal, the better long-term. Right now it does expand, but not that much. We're going to play it with a bigger expansion, but we also want to make it very subtle because we don't want to overwhelm people who are speaking pure audio. This is an audio app primarily, and we don't want to make audio users feel like second-class citizens, so it's a delicate balance.

8:11:01 The lambs have laid down with the sheep You're cozy and warm in your bed, my dear Please go the fuck to sleep No problem Human biology is the most magical thing There is out there There is no greater machine I don't even think it qualifies as machine anymore It is nature's finest handiwork or the creators, I don't know. But the more I think about it, the more marvelous it seems. Our high tech doesn't even count. It's so primitive compared to the ways of the nature which we are still discovering, which means that we are not really creating much. I guess human biology is not even the right way to put it anymore.

8:11:54 What is powering this human body? Some call it soul, atman. whatever else but what is really powering it? What's making it work? We use petrol for our machines. We use other ways of energy for our machine. What's the energy inside us? And it's all working. It's as if everything is on a timer and it's working perfectly and we have limited control over it. There are so many wondrous aspects to this. The more you think about it, the more impressed you will be. I notice that I'm only reading nowadays because the voice is lacking so much behind that it's actually starting to become like a background noise factor and not supporting the message. The playback speed should be faster or I don't know what other solution there is.

8:12:47 I think the real solution is going to be when we let you tap on a part of the transcript and the audio will jump there. But like I said, that is quite a bit harder to do than it might seem at first glance. the voice transcription models don't actually give the accurate timing, or at least the fast ones don't. How about aiming for the pauses? If there's like a paragraph, also somebody's catching their breath, and you can just probably pinpoint the non-speaking more easily than the actual words. So maybe that could be a way to have the pointers, the timestamps. And this way you could also then, well, you paste them with paragraphs anyway, so I don't know whether that would work. Why does Apple then do covers natively? Yeah, I think it was just to add your own flair, because the devices themselves are only white. I think there was a black version of the iPod later on.

8:13:36 But it did kind of tie in with the colors they were using on the iMacs at the time as well. I am once again asking you to update your app. Pro tip, you can ask TestFlight to automatically update, so you can just always get the best experience. It may be a little bit delayed, but you will get it. Just be authentic. whatever moves you, that's the only way it'll work. No one's gonna spread our message, they'll spread their message. Export feature for the network effect, I guess it's coming. My guess is he's meditating and listening to Brett Hall playback, but when the notifications pop up he just wakes up from his trance and he replies here, so he barely gets any sleep at all. It's true, but you still have to choose whether you're gonna chop wood or carry water. While being happy.

8:14:25 Mainly, we don't want people who are not using video to be second class citizens. Is that misplaced? Should we just let the video be larger? It actually might be the refresh rate. I think it's 120Hz in the iPad Pro. Why does Apple then do covers natively? The Apple has fallen far from the Steve. I think that's correct. We're doing something much less like Rooms in the past for exactly that reason. We don't want to fragment the conversations. Partly I think it might be the discovery now because every shit can be a beginning of a new threat or that's how you see it in the feed as well. So it takes a little bit of effort to see the parent, the whole parent of the thing. thing and maybe that's the thing that it's out of context and it's not easy to to follow still back and forth and go up and down so that it's very fluent especially the vertical dimension doesn't work really well and that takes too much effort for it to become a so-called room no he's just fading hard ready to pass out and unable to explain to his family why he's up till four in the morning every night air chat is just too darn addictive Oh, I actually sometimes wonder if Naval replying at 3 a.m. on all conversations here is an AI Naval.

8:15:45 Are you sure it's not a trained model here? You know, it's like similar to when OpenAI released a custom GPT modifications. Someone released a Naval custom GPT or something like that, Naval GPT. So I'm trained with all the quotes and interviews that Naval did. So you could chat with it and it will feel like you're talking to Naval. So I hope it's not like that. My guess is he's meditating and listening to Brett Hall. playback, but when the notifications pop up he just wakes up from his trance and he replies here, so he barely gets any sleep at all. That made me laugh out loud. Yeah, I also caught myself mostly reading just because it allows you to skim the content much faster, and when I want to feel the person or connect with the meaning of the words, then I hit the playback button. Naval mentioned that the transcription is a superfluous feature, but I think it's like the second most important feature after the voice first conversations. Without it, the app couldn't be popular, I guess.

8:16:43 And for the fun of it, the last one where I was running about that one, it actually played. No bots, no fake metrics, no dark patterns, authenticity. We're building for humans, made by humans. Proof of human. So if Naval doesn't ask you to clean up before you leave, you should be worried. Probably means you're not in the good friends list. He's just happy to get rid of you ASAP and don't expect to get an invitation again. I've been looking at the lighting lately and we just got this house and there are no dimmers and they're all on off switches and it's all LEDs and I was going to go the programmable smart home LED temperature etc but it's a good point about going with incandescence. I feel like it's exhausting, the study of this.

8:17:38 I would like to just have someone come and make my lighting awesome. If you want to do it yourself, there's homeassistant.io, which pretty much takes in any possible IoT device, and you can programmatically do the dimming and changing the temperatures and all those things. You can even connect it to different AI's like Siri, and then you can talk to your room and say that I want to have it in person and change the color of the light to this and that. thank you i will bookmark this um actually me personally i really like being on my own i feel very good i don't like to spend my time meeting people or being at parties i feel i'm exhausted but what i am bad at it i suck on being a slave of my own promises what that means is that if i promise you i'm going to be here at this time at this date and so on that kind of locks me and i I hate it because I feel I'm breaking my own promise, my own words, and I don't want people to kind of think bad or like I'm letting them down.

8:18:41 This is an issue I have to work with. And also, do you think through your life or as you get older, values don't change or they can change depending what you experience? Is it the simplest solution that you stop making promises you don't want to keep? This puts you in the position where you need to say no right now when the thing is happening and not later, so you're not avoiding the issue. Also, if you notice that some people are just hanging around with you because they want something out of you, and you're the one making all the initiatives, calling and suggesting things, maybe just let those things go. You don't be the active party on things and you may start to see that those people who are not exactly aligned with your values are starting to drop off. Hi, I'm back. So I was wondering, is there a way to tag threads with either discussion topics or user participants or keywords and retrieve them vocally?

8:19:44 If you want to save posts, you can bookmark them or star them. Star them adds them to the highlights on their profile. Additionally, everything is semantically retrievable. So So when you search things up, it doesn't have to be, it could just be like whatever topic, and you'll be able to find it. AirChat, the tweet workshop. That's funny because I listen to Brett to relax. Brett, the white noise artist. This article indicates that Whisper by OpenAI was created to transcribe the YouTube videos. I wonder whether that's actually true, and that explains the recent interview and the weird meme phase. Thank you for your enlightening comment, Naval. Yes, it's called metla.com, M-E-T-L-A dot com, and it's better to check from desktop.

8:20:42 The mobile version is a bit of a stripped down one. Great. By the way, you can now post links. It's hidden right where images are. So right next to images, you should see the link button. If you don't see it, just update your app. Can you meditate while doing a mindless, repetitive task? Because for me, I just need to be in a forest with a stick and a knife and along with my thoughts. And it can do the trick. But is it really meditation? Your life should be your meditation. What should I do when I sleep? Should I be present? That's a tough one. Being present is one of the life's most difficult tasks. Well, you know what time it is, right? Today is Pri's birthday. My beautiful friend Pri.

8:21:31 The most amazing human being. You know, when I asked her, what do you want to do with your life? Guess what she said. I want to open up an orphanage in India, Sepiwe. That's my dream. What? Do human beings like that still exist? Well, there she is. Pri. With drive. With kindness. With superpower energy. Happy birthday, my friend. Happy birthday. Come on, man. Listen to this. It's your birthday. Enjoy yourself. Have a good time. Happy birthday, Priyada. Well, you know what time it is, right? Today is Pri's birthday. My beautiful friend, Pri. The most amazing human being. You know, when I asked her, what do you want to do with your life?

8:22:21 Guess what she said. I want to open up an orphanage in India, Sepiwe. That's my dream. What? Do human beings like that still exist? Well, there she is. Pre. With drive. With kindness. With superpower energy. Happy birthday, my friend. Happy birthday. Come on, man. Listen to this. It's your birthday. Enjoy yourself. Have a good time. well i mean and that doesn't yeah i guess what you want is like every post in the back and forth to count a little bit less until it's like kind of not uh maybe There's just some added complexity to this because AWS Dynamo doesn't like floats as fields or just seems like kind of annoying and bad. They wanted you to put it into a string. If I could keep it as an imager, that'd be ideal. But if I want to start doing like fancy math on it, I'm going to need to change some stuff. Another good indicator I've noticed is that somebody makes a comment, maybe on that person's cheat.

8:23:38 And then that person, the original creator of the cheat, reposts this and maybe likes that one. So that's a strong indicator of no correlation or good content. I think one of the most impactful AI product releases Apple could actually do would be a copilot for Xcode. Having the largest repository of Swift and Objective-C in the world, plus all the documentation, plus the internal documentation, the HID guidelines, and all of the supporting material and design material around building for iOS and building for their platforms, it could really help boost the productivity of developers, whether that's beginning or advanced. Naval's Twitter thread, How to Get Rich, went viral because it was the unspoken cultural zeitgeist of its time. I think the unspoken cultural zeitgeist of this time is how to not be poor. This calls for Per Pylund explaining the human nature and the natural state of being poor.

8:24:32 and how to get rid of it. I think it's beyond your normal escape of poverty mindset because I think inflation is hurting everyone quite a lot and a lot of people are feeling very poor right now, even if they don't have a poverty mindset. Nostra's problem is not returning the money, but it's the ignorance and becoming completely ignored by the rest of the society. So there's no adoption, no network effect, Nobody cares enough or nobody has enough at stake to make it big. All the resources to do that. Hi Petri. I actually didn't know much about NOSTE, but I started to look into the platform today. And this no adoption, no network effect problem kind of got me into thinking. The problem is, so thinking about it from a Lehman's perspective, I think it is aiming a certain type of population, NOSTE.

8:25:28 population which believe in decentralized system but at the same time are computationally adept and are willing to you know you stay on that kind of platform people who are like me i do believe in decentralization but at the same time i don't have enough time to catch up on all the new technologies that are upcoming and helping you know me talk to other people because i'm also not big on talking generally about the things that i do and i think is that the problem that is causing no adoption and no network effect because then you are just cliched into this section of society which likes to roll between themselves, and then you will have only those kinds of people talking. In the old air chat there's a big room of Noste, actually at least two rooms, one of them is mine, and I think Colby was doing the other one, so you can check out a little bit of the history of what happened last year, because that was the big year when things started to catch up.

8:26:22 And it tends to be at least by the history books. If you're a little loser or the loser you are with your morals, the market tends to agree with you, unfortunately. A very beautiful comment. In India, we have a saying that all the people who do business do not have a straight and a strong compass of principles. People who have a strong compass of principles would never be good at business. They would only be good at communicating a certain business but not being able to bring the revenue for the business. Everything is in gray. All businesses work in gray. If you're good at being in gray, if you're good at tweaking something here, tweaking something there, you're going to be very, very good at business. And so we have the words street smart for a businessman. Whoever is the most street smart person tends to run the business the best way. That's a slightly different way of saying the same. Best April Fool's joke ever.

8:27:15 I've read The Little Prince to my library. I will pick up Wind, Sand, and Stars tonight. I'm gonna put my order in right now. Thanks. So people do Saint-Exupéry a huge disservice by recommending Little Prince. Little Prince is a book that's used to teach kids French, and it's kind of cutesy and kidsy and has a little bit of philosophy in it, but Wind, Sand, and Stars is an epic masterpiece. It overshadows the Little Prince by such a large degree that it's sad. I never recommend the Little Prince to anybody because I feel like everyone's read it. They're formed independent of Exupéry, and Wind, Sand, and Stars is just 100x more important. So by all means, forget what you read in Little Prince and read Wind, Sand, and Stars. Okay, I have way too many Audible credits, and I need to go ahead and get rid of them by buying some good audiobooks. I am not really into fiction at all, so interesting, fun, science, well, pretty much anything. What do you got? What do you got? If you haven't checked San Carl's books about quantum physics, they're really good, even entertaining, but most of all informative.

8:28:10 And he's coming out with a lot of books nowadays. I think the next one is coming out on May, and the previous one came out last year. I've watched a number of his videos on YouTube and other spots before. So yeah, I'll have to check out some of his books. Fulfillment also comes from when you're on the path of mastering something. And it doesn't matter what it could be. It could be calligraphy. It could be martial arts or whatever. But going from the process of beginner's mind to growth and you change in the process. And you grow in the process. And it's obvious in the output. There is something deeply fulfilling about that, that growth that comes. And it could be in the craft of writing. It could be in any craft. But when you're pursuing being better and better and being your best at it, the person you become in the process is deeply fulfilling. A few moments later, you go for next challenges and everything resets again.

8:29:02 This is interesting. I recently switched to Arc as my default browser and they rolled out this feature on mobile. Maybe on desktop too, but mobile for sure. It's called Browse for Me. So whenever you want to find something, there is an option that is called Browse for Me. You click it and basically the browser goes and checks all the resources that are there and then compiles them into a digestible kind of format on a specific page, so you don't have to go and click different pages. It just gives you the answer that you are looking for. It's pretty cool to check it out just if you haven't yet. And the browser overall is pretty cool. Totally new user experience when compared to Google Chrome or Safari, et cetera. So I like it. Does it provide good references? I tried to use Bing and some of the other ones, and it doesn't really do a good job of browsing and finding things. Usually it's so lazy that it will just bring whatever is into a single article, and that's not the way to go.

8:29:53 If you swing this kettlebell three times, much to your disappointment, Parso will come out and draw you a Parsogram to analyze whatever situation you're dealing with. Parso port is only for the fit. You have to move the kettlebell through the alphabets to get the word. Why not commission that they put your ashes inside kettlebell? And who knows, maybe it will become a magical item with special powers. Go out with a swing. The blockchain is the ultimate source of data availability. If you really need to put something on there, that is the place to do it. But it's very expensive, so it should be an emergency as a last resort backup of backup. If that's what's needed, then maybe. But as just a common feature or, you know, to update your profile, it's too cumbersome.

8:30:47 It's too much of an abuse of the blockchain. So I think it's a mistake to throw it out altogether because so many of the Nostra guys, they love to hate on the blockchain. And I'm like, guys, do you remember what got us here? Come on. This is freaking Bitcoin, man. This is what this is about. But at the same time, just using it to use it for the sake of it is how you end up with two problems. end up with even more problems, which seems to be kind of what Farkaster is doing a bit. So it's all about the middle way again. The NFT craziness was a nice picture of that thinking and idealism. Look, I have a file name on blockchain. I think Romero introduced the fiat sign up just as an onboarding experience. You can still do it with the crypto way the proper way, but that was the way which I think partly or maybe most of it came that way because it was so convenient and easy to sign up just using your fiat ways.

8:31:47 You have a problem, you try to solve it by putting it in a blockchain, now you have two problems. Nostra's problem is not returning the money, but it's the ignorance and becoming completely ignored by the rest of the society. So there's no eruption, no network effect, and nobody cares enough or nobody has enough at stake to make it big. All the resources to do that. But things start to get really interesting only when the protocol becomes hidden. It stays in the background. Nobody talks about SMTP, IMAP. They talk about email or they talk about Gmail. When you talk about videos, you talk about TikTok or you talk about YouTube, you don't talk about the ways videos are done. So the protocols should become part of the magic, how water comes to your house or how electricity comes from the plug. And that's the way it should be, but we are not yet there. And when we get there, that's the threshold we need to get across first.

8:32:49 But people do talk about Bitcoin. So it's hard to decide which way it will be for future protocols but i think they're becoming a bit sensational bitcoin is exception to the rule the way it was founded the way it's been built up and how it is sticking to what it is but it's also living code it's been developed further so but i think if you look any other protocols or most of them they're done by more people who who are publicly known at some level, maybe the founders are still active. And this makes the process different. What Nostra has that the other social media protocols don't is the right to exit. If a relay bans you or doesn't agree with your posts, you can take all of your data and move to another relay seamlessly. And I think that is a really powerful censorship resistant property that is socially scalable because the right to exit is vital whereas mastodon if you have all your posts on some mastodon server and they ban you or they shut the server down all those posts are gone and farcaster it seems very federated blue sky seems federated which is basically like these little servers that like control your profile where you don't own your profile you know and they have a little bit more um power over you i'm not sure about farcaster though i think you register your profile on chain or something. I'm not sure about the post itself though if those are still federated. I'd love for someone to chime in and if anyone knows in terms of Farcaster. But Noster, you own your post and you have the right to exit and you can put your posts on as many relays as you want and at the end of the day you own them. That's why it's the best foundation above everything else. Even though it has problems with discovering relays and synchronizing the content, you know, the C and the A and the cap theorem, those will evolve. And I think Nostra will win, or at least, you know, something with a base along these lines that has the right to

8:34:56 exit where you're signing the tweets and you own them yourself. That's really all Nostra is at the core of it. There are different types of tweets and each type has its own format. They call each one of those a nip. That's it. Nostra is currently, or maybe it was, or I don't know, maybe it still is in a phase where there's a rapid development, excitement, and you can basically build everything because there's so many directions and only so a few developers. So not everybody is willing and can focus on the same thing. So you can introduce a lot of nips, but I think the chaos will sort down and because inertia will kick in and not all the clients and the major clients are going to implement all the things and the opinions start to kick in as well. So this will slow things down. It's also really complex already at this point, which is also putting thresholds for new people to start to build stuff because a lot of things are not, there's no documentation. So you just need to know the discussions, what happened and the reasoning. If you were living there at the time, it's easier, but if you're coming later on, you just don't know why things are the way they are. And I think this needs to become more standardized, simplified by market choice or by some other means. But yes, this phase of you can introduce everything and anything doesn't Doesn't really mean that everybody will implement it, but it's certainly fun.

8:36:10 And it's the nature of apps that they tend to trend towards winner-take-all. Even for decentralized social media, my guess is that in each case, the top client will capture the vast, vast majority of users. And so if that client censors you, it's almost the same as the protocol censoring you. But things start to get really interesting only when the protocol becomes hidden. It stays in the background. Nobody talks about SMTP, IMAP. They talk about email or they talk about Gmail. When you talk about videos, you talk about TikTok or you talk about YouTube. You don't talk about the ways videos are done. So the protocols should become part of the magic, how water comes to your house or how electricity comes from the plug. And that's the way it should be, but we are not yet there. And when we get there, that's the threshold we need to get across first. The only networks that are decentralized, like email and RSS, have been incredibly static for a long time.

8:37:03 They never update, and so the clients can't actually do all that much in the front end. Even then, Google Reader monopolized RSS for a long time. On the podcast circuit, if you get cut out from Amazon and YouTube, you're essentially dead. On the email side, if Gmail starts censoring you, that'll hurt a lot. I think in fast-moving social media, that's even a bigger liability. The only reason why Nostar and Blue Sky can even compete with Twitter is because Twitter is essentially a frozen protocol. And it tends to be at least by the history books. If you're a little loser or the loser you are with your morals, the market tends to agree with you, unfortunately. And because coders are a better target audience, they care about security, whereas most people who use TikTok and Instagram and even Twitter aren't as security-focused as coders most of the time.

8:37:56 And that's where the lobbying and the government kicks in, because these big guys are using the disaster dirty weapon against all these threats, meaning to new free protocols. The hope that I have is that Bitcoin Core is a single client for full nodes that most people use. Most of the full nodes use the Bitcoin Core C++ client. And Bitcoin Core and the Bitcoin network is incredibly decentralized. So if the protocol is frozen enough, if it's dry enough, like Naval was saying, then whoever builds that ultimate client that accounts for all of those things, the networking, the database, the bucketing, everything, it accounts for it, just like Satoshi did with Bitcoin.

8:38:47 Whoever builds that client for the dry protocols, Twitter, GitHub, the low-hanging fruit, multimedia videos, that client could potentially be sort of what Bitcoin is, but for Noster. And at least on desktop, and especially if it's in Go and it's in desktop, because then it could work on every single OS and people could all contribute to it over time. I'm sure there'd be minor forks of it and things like that, depending on what people argue over, but that goes back to the frozenness of the protocol and what you're trying to implement. So it's almost like a feature surface. You know, if you keep the feature surface restricted, the argument surface is restricted, and it's easier to maintain one client and still be decentralized because it's all open source, and it just needs to perform the functions it's designated to. I'm hoping that's what Nestor will be, you know, the client we're building nested platforms with GitHub and the Merkle trees built in the chunking standard the syncing system and so on all of it built in cryptographic at every level there's a lot of juicy pieces i'm excited to share man it's gonna be fun twitter's network effect might not break in our lifetime but what about in two or three hundred years i think that's when architectures like this are going to be more and more important it enables the hive mind without the trust of third parties i mean that's a feel like what social media is we're all buzzing and communicating with each other, zapping each other. It's like we don't need gate men for that. And the technology is present, just not that efficient. But we can build the base now and let technology evolve. But the software will pretty much function the same beyond like upgrades and cryptography and quantum resistance. Like just the function of how these things work last. And I think it's worthwhile to pursue, even if we might not fully sit under the tree and break the network effect in our lifetime.

8:40:50 You know, I'm sure it was the same thought with Bitcoin. Can't break the network effect of the US dollar, you know? Well, maybe not yet or anytime soon, but eventually, maybe we can hope. We can build it as best we can. Because, you know, I've faced a lot of hostility in this little space of different no-stir people, and the only reason I stick around is because I'm amazed with this ability to switch between clients and switch between relays and still own my data. It's exactly what I feel like we were talking about on Twitter five years ago when we talked about we need to own our content, you know, and now it's like, here's a way, and I've experienced it, so I'm intrigued, and I mean, for God's sakes, I barely even like the guy, practically dislike the guy that made the protocol, you know, but I can at least agree that this is the right base, and I'm going to do my best to bring the multimedia and the missing pieces there, because I think it'll be worthwhile in the long run. It seems that there's a chance that Twitter might be going down.

8:41:52 Yes, the ratings are going down, the usage is going down. Also, the revenues are just a tiny fraction what they used to be. Was it 10 million even less per quarter when it was 1 billion just a few years ago? So all these are indicating the downward of the protocol. But I think the bigger thing is that because of this budget issue they are going towards the X in the word of the porn, and this might be the overtake of the network which will kick out the rest of us to the other places like Blue Sky and whatever other alternatives they are, threats. But is GitHub actually censoring repos? There probably are, I don't know, but you know are they enough that people would switch to a decentralized thing or will they just stay with the convenience of a centralized thing? That sounded almost as bad as the man in the middle attack, which Meta was, or Facebook at the time, was doing on purpose by trying to get more user data. Well, this is the kind of spiders that we get up in here. This is insane. Look at this.

8:42:55 Yep, completely agree with your Miami point. I believe the same sort of applies to people based in New York right now. I do think that alongside the innovation renaissance, however, San Francisco is severely lacking in terms of arts and culture right now. And it deeply concerns and saddens me because I feel like if we had that culture here, at least to a certain extent, it would greatly add to our sort of ecosystem or bubble that we have going on. I've been working on projects like this photograph project and a couple other art projects to hopefully add to this. And we'll see what happens with them over the next few years. Regardless, I'd love to photograph you and the AirChat team whenever you guys are all in SF next. So please let me know when that happens. Believe it or not, besides Sigil, the whole AirChat team is a bunch of introverts. In fact, this is an app built by introverts for introverts who still want to connect and talk. Kevin, the New York Times seems to have a successful upsell model where they charge you X amount for the news and X amount additional for cooking and food.

8:43:47 We could do that here. Or you can even have a tiered subscription model where it's free if you say intelligent things, but every time you say something stupid, your subscription goes up. I think that would work. It would really keep the bar high. Nobody would have to be banished. You're right. Arjun, please change Zibainix handle to troll. It's very fitting. I'm about to head to bed, but I just want to say thank you to Sigil and the AirChat team for just making this app. And I genuinely think that today, my first day experience with this app is maybe the best first day experience I think I've had on any social media app, honestly. And I think that's really saying something. And it really speaks to the connectivity and experience that you feel when you're actually just able to speak with people more naturally in a way that literally no other social media app has, I think, provided. And I think there's really something special here.

8:44:41 I have a coffee-making set arriving shortly from Fellow, thanks to recommendations from people on this app, like Running DMC and Daniel Belfort and Petri and Jess and others. Anyway, I will start making my own coffee soon. And at that point, I can start doing a wean-off caffeine trick, which is instead of having full caffeine coffee, I can just make three quarters caffeinated. And then when I'm used to that, I'll do half-caff. And then when I'm used to that, I'll do a quarter-caff. And then when I'm used to that, I'll go to no-caff. Although, I always do prefer the taste of fully caffeinated coffee to the taste of decaffeinated coffee. In case you didn't guess what was the brand of the coffee, I made another pixel, so it's easy to see. I love this thought, because you're right, there's always something to learn and always 20 questions to resolve the one question. but I think that's what makes me so happy to learn. I don't care what I'm learning about.

8:45:33 There's just going to be an adventure. And when I was teaching, that was one of my core, core thoughts. Somebody would ask me something expecting me to have the answer. And I would say, I don't know. He knows that. That's, that's his thing. And we would all come together and toss our collective knowledge into space. The ability to have the ego to, the lack of ego to say, oh, I don't know. Let's find out was one of the most fun things about teaching and learning for me. And I think that's why I enjoy listening to you so much, Brett, because there's so much you know, and you make it accessible and fascinating, and you make it okay to say, hey, I don't know about quantum physics, but I'm going to dive into this pool. Anyway, as I said in a different thread, I now measure my house and the condition of my universe by how many Brett Halls it takes me to clean. There's a couple Brett Halls left to go here, so I'm going to continue to listen and learn something new.

8:46:27 I should say now I'm being a little misleading. I said the more you learn, the more ignorant you become. Of course, that's not quite true. Now, when you learn something, you have filled in a little bit of your ignorance. You've coloured in that part of the picture. But for every question that you answer, new questions are opened. You realise new vistas on the sea of ignorance. And that sea of ignorance is infinite, and it always is infinite. But there are certain unknown unknowns. Okay, there's lots of unknown things that you just don't even know you don't know. And when you learn something, you learn about new things that you don't know. And those new things that you don't know continue to multiply. The amount that you know at any given time is finite. The ignorance, the unknown unknowns is always infinite. And the known unknowns are things that multiply. For every one thing you learn, you know, pick a random number, a hundred new things are revealed to you that you do not yet know. And there in the complete darkness, you just don't know all the things you don't know.

8:47:24 I need to join MemeCoinaholics Anonymous. This time I saw someone using the voice feature on threads. I don't think it's transcribing, but interesting to see whether it will take off. After testing it, yes, it is transcribing. It looks like it's probably coming from the device itself. It wasn't really good. It missed the first part of the message. My latest addiction has been Farcaster. I've spent quite a bit of time there over the last year and a half.

8:48:22 Met a bunch of great people, hosted the first Farcaster conference here in Boston. Recently, I've been learning a lot about meme coins, which even though I've been in crypto forever, I never really got into them until a few months ago. So yeah, it's been pretty good. How about you? As you said, you've been spending a lot of time in Farcaster. Do you see Farcaster just becoming for these type of things or is it becoming for all types of things as a social media? because now it's so clearly in the central focus of this and obviously channels and everything what they're doing now is supporting meme coins and everything to do with the crypto trading and day trading and all these things going on for a long time can you see that it actually works on just a more regular tweeter type of communication or even what the hr is doing or is it just for trading and this type of exchanging, well, trading things.

8:49:22 To give you one example, there's an app called Dracula. It's Dracula with a K dot app that launched using, kind of using Farkaster, not really using Farkaster, but starting within Farkaster and growing from it. And Dracula is trying to do a vampire attack on TikTok. And so the app itself, when you use it, it's very usable by anybody. It's not crypto-focused. You do earn points, but I think the points are very abstracted. You don't need to know anything about wallets. And it's very gamified. And it's not aimed at meme coins. It's not aimed at crypto people. It's aimed at the normal person. But it's using, I don't think it's quite using the Farcaster network underneath, but it could be. So Farcaster is more than just Warpcast and the particular client. It's the protocol, and there's a lot you can build on it. Jess, if you launch a meme coin, I would totally buy first and ask questions later.

8:50:10 good one given what you just said about you so done with this wow i cannot believe the transcription got that one right milos huge props oh my god this cannot be the thing that i am known for so where is this a famous chess meme coin how can i get one or many as many as your heart can take public speaking class today with a guy from london he's an actor. So he gave me a text to read a few times and he kept asking me to end the sentences with an upward intonation. I kept trying it and didn't feel right for some reason. And then realized, I said, look, when I do that, I start sounding British. I'm not going to do that anymore. It's not natural to me. So I'm not sure why Brits do that, but they always end sentences on the upper going intonation. I guess it's the technical term for this thing.

8:51:07 I completely agree with this. If it takes more than 10 seconds to explain what the meme coin is and why it's fun, definitely don't buy it. That's probably the best definition of a meme coin. The biggest difference I would say between meme coins and past cycles with ICOs is that the tech and the tooling has improved a lot. And so you can do this stuff so much faster now. Because of Farcaster, because of tools like Party and very standard contracts and Uniswap and all these DeFi tools like DexScreener, you can launch a meme token and go viral within hours, whereas ICOs would take at least weeks to set up. So I'm kind of curious to know, is there anyone on AirChat who records and sends their chit from the first attempt? Because my count of this happening is almost, or it's not almost, it's literally zero. So I'm kind of curious, is there anyone who regularly like records chits from the first attempt and just sends them? I think it's a good metric on how much your speed is actually improving.

8:52:02 So if your trials keep decreasing with time, then I think it's a good metric that you're kind of improving and getting your ideas through. I tend to do that if the tech is not failing. It was always bound to happen. Apple has partnered with Baidu in China. It means their AI integration into Mac products like iPhones and iPads and MacBooks can happen using Baidu's Ernie bot, which is already approved by the strict Chinese regulations. Anyone got any intel? What does everyone think? Obviously, Baidu shares have been going up because of this too. Brilliant thinking is rare, but courage is an even shorter supply than genius. Courage by other name is often doing the right thing. I'm the only person who thinks the series is not that good. The game theory is terrible. The science is kind of weird and interesting at the end, but mostly, again, theoretical and unproven. And the first part is about the Cultural Revolution in China.

8:52:52 I'm not sure how exciting that is for you. The characters are still different flat. It jumps all over the place. I think it's a waste of your time. you can do much better. There is far better sci-fi out there. It's just contemporary, that's what kind of makes it more compelling to people. People like things that are new, but there's a lot better sci-fi out there that isn't as new. For example, the ship episode. Can those metal parts really hold while such a tremendous tension is coming their way and that the string solution is in a completely different level? Then the nuclear plaster as well. How do they deliver them? And can it actually have on space that kind of effect when you're just blasting them out into open? It's possible that Apple is even more screwed by this shift than Google is. Google at least has some competent AI that they can put on Android. Apple has nothing. Siri is so bad that it's so sad that it's not even worth mentioning. It's just so sad.

8:53:50 "I hate branded stuff. That would look great on a t-shirt." And become the brand. "Update, increasingly a pain in the ass to keep all of my external cyborg body parts charged, though." That makes for upgrading embedded battery solution. "No wonder why he's back to the insuator one today." After he has entered a lot of Twitter spaces, I think he's getting ready to come back here. They call me Naval, but I'm also known as Nav. Snooze with the flow, I'm on the right path. Navigating beats, I'm the captain of rap. In the game of life, I'm closing the gap. Naval on the mic, spitting fire with ease, guiding through the waves, breaking boundaries. With every verse, I'm making history. In the realm of hip-hop, I'm a mystery. I'm on the nav, steering through the night. With rhymes so tight, I shine so bright. From the depths of sea to the highest of the peak, I'm the rap phenomenon, unique and sleek. Naval on the mic, spitting fire with ease, guiding through the waves, breaking boundaries. With every verse, I'm making history.

8:54:48 In the realm of hip-hop, I'm a mystery. I navigate through life with precision and flair. In the world of rap, I'm beyond compare. With Nav as an alias, I conquer the scene. In the hearts of fans, I reign supreme. So when you hear Naval or Nav in the mix, know it's me bringing the sickest hits. In the universe of rap, I'll forever shine. Naval's the name and the legacy's mine. Just like nobody gets divorced while the sex is good, nobody stops building their product while they're having fun. Oh, that's why there are so many features in products. Just like nobody gets divorced while the sex is good, nobody stops building their product while they're having fun. DDoS by complexity. It's a famous strategy of Vitalik in my opinion and hopefully the ability to spawn complexity with such ease using chat GPT to create a story can make people prefer simple truths they can understand. Because once you stack together a lot of simple truths it can get complicated even if each simple piece can be explained.

8:56:17 it's the stacking of simple pieces that might be the new medium of adventure for people looking for good ideas rather than this maze of complexity but i'm sure that the true complexity that's authentic won't be going anywhere anytime soon but maybe some of the false complexity will after a while sadly it's only going to get worse before it gets better because everybody just got access to it but eventually i think people are already starting to sense when something's written by chat gpt and is phony it's only going to grow which means indirectly people's ability to detect authenticity may be growing too and that's the paradox of it if you have to explain it you're ruining it and often that's the only way to tell what's happening and why it's beautiful but because the others haven't gone through the journey. There's no way to describe it. It's like you are the only person on the moon. Nobody else been there. How do you express? What do you see? How do you feel? Well, you can always take a picture, but that's not the same thing.

8:57:26 We're not even drunk yet. Just have to find a creative way of showing your addiction without an addiction room. What have you been after, Grin? Platforms can bias people towards certain kinds of behavior, but they can't curate a community. We can't just say only let smart and intellectual people on because our definitions of who's smart and intellectual are going to vary from yours. So you cannot count on the platform to curate for you. You have to curate for yourself. The platform provides the tools. So as long as you follow smart and interesting people, it should remain the way it is. If anything, your opportunities will increase because there will be more smart and interesting people to choose from. Of course, there'll be people that don't resonate with you. Don't follow them. they're done Adobe software is the most successful commercial virus ever created and I've had to wipe entire hard drives just to get rid of all of its crazy ways of embedding itself into the OS so what apps needs to do and this is for the crypto I'm not sure whether it actually works for the regular encryption keys and things like that.

8:58:34 But then they need to switch off that mode of making it basically go slower and separate those in the application level. But because it's not exactly a bug, it's more like a feature and it's deeply within how the CPU works. It needs to be done consciously while you're writing the app. And for regular keys, I'm not sure whether it works. whether it can be done in OS level, I don't really know. Maybe for new stuff, but does it really work for the existing programs? And if it's so deeply embedded to all the systems, maybe not. Your second question asks, among other things, why does it interfere? Why does it interfere?

8:59:21 So it, I presume, means a particle. And then you understand, always in the same way from the multiverse into this reality. Well, it's not always in the same way. So let's pause there. You fire a single particle at an apparatus and you subjectively, as a person performing the experiment, do not know where that particle is going to end up on the screen. You fire it again. You also don't know where it's going to end up. But after doing this a thousand, a million times, you would be able to predict what the pattern is going to be or the probability distribution, if you like. But each time you do the experiment, you will always get a different result, slightly different. And for any given photon, you have no hope of being able to predict where it's going to end up. and so that's the point now this is unlike most experiments in science of course because with science what you want is repeatability repeat the experiment get the same outcome but each time you find a photon it goes to a different place on the screen it's not repeatable the only thing that is repeatable is over time do a million such experiments and then the next million such experiments resemble the first million such experiments and the only way of explaining both sets is the same laws are governing what's going on what are those laws those are the laws of quantum mechanics and the way to understand that that particular pattern is to say aha there must be other particles shoving aside the photons we do see, because we only ever fire one photon through the apparatus at a time. You say, ha ha, you're invoking things that we do not see to explain what we do. Of course I am. As David likes to say, whenever you look at a fossil, you're not seeing a dinosaur. A fossil is actually a rock. It's a pattern in the rock.

9:00:40 If you want to explain that pattern that's in the rock by recourse to big lizard-like things that were wandering the earth millions of years ago, the creationist will laugh at you, but you should laugh at them, because they're dismissing explanation. They want something else. You're giving them a good explanation of how the rock ended up looking like a fossil in terms of dinosaurs, and David is giving you a good explanation of how the pattern that you see in the interference fringes is explained by the existence of particles you do not see, but nonetheless exist, because we are in a multiverse. That was the essence, even though it was cut short, I don't know if it's a bug or feature that at some point it will just cut off without warning. If I remember correctly, Joseph was a great musician too, right? You're correct, he was playing guitar on the OG air chat. Unfortunately, Keith accidentally deleted his account, although we probably make it too easy to accidentally delete your account, so we will tighten that. One of our developers, Andy, accidentally deleted his account as well, so it does happen.

9:01:35 But Keith is using that as a way to take a break from AirChat because he was nursing a serious AirChat addiction while he should be working. So I talked to him, and he said he'll be back in a week or so, fingers crossed, but I let him know that we miss him. Dave Deutsch defined fun as the process of ideas interacting with each other via evolution. So thinking more about this, I think a big part of this whole dynamic is it's not just about spreading your ideas. It is also just seeing your ideas interact with the world and instantiating them in products, in movements, in companies whatsoever, and seeing those interact with the world. That's fun. If you want to maximally impact the world, then have good ideas. Articulate them well, without ulterior motive, and instantiate them into reality. Hello there.

9:02:52 Thanks for everyone who visited and supported here, and also especially on the product account, and those who upvoted. So now the product is listed and the journey can start there as well. Oh nice! I assume that my primary use case for it would be being able to work while laying in bed. So that's interesting to hear that you're using it for that. That's pretty cool. I think we found our Apple Visions only active user. user. Is anyone still using their Apple Vision Pro with any regularity? Oops, I did a thing. I just put my app on a product hunt on a whim. Let's see how it goes. So if you know how product hunt works and you want to give an upvote or check it out, go to Nortti. And I will also put it on the picture here so you will see. No, luckily because I'm using Go, it's not those types of Python bugs where you've got no idea exactly what's going on.

9:03:49 Right now, it's an issue of a conflict in packages. And there's this package that I cannot avoid, but it's written so terribly that it takes me so long to just get it to work correctly. And if I had to write it from scratch by myself, which I could, it would take me another three months. But we don't want to wait that long. So now I have to make do with what we have. And that's where the debugging happens, because I'm like, I'm expecting this. This is what I'm getting. And just the code is terrible. The code base is terrible. So that's the kind of debugging I'm talking about. If it was with Python, I wouldn't even know what was causing the problem. It's so like Python is so obstructed that you really struggle to know what the root of the problem is because there's so many layers. But with Go, at least it tells you what's wrong and you can go trace what's wrong and you can fix it. But yeah, that's that's the suffering I'm going through right now. But I'll get there. I'll get there.

9:04:37 Oops, I did a thing. I just put my app on Product Hunt on a whim. Let's see how it goes. So if you know how Product Hunt works and you want to give an upvote or check it out, go to Notti. And I will also put it in the picture here so you will see. Congrats on Launch Battery, as I've told you before. I think this is a very useful tool. I'm curious, what does the name of the app mean? It's Finnish. It means note. It also has some other connotations. If you Google note crisis, I think I even put it somewhere. I don't remember where. But there was a thing which happened in Finland when Russia was meddling with the presidential elections. And it was, I think, around the Cuban Missile Crisis. So there was nuclear threats and stuff happening at the same time. So note, note is a diplomatic note. That's the connotation. It has it in Finnish, but it means note. And it was available. It's short. And what I learned also that it has this magical double O, which is in a lot of these apps which are successful.

9:05:38 That's what I learned later on. Like, well, you can figure them out. Just a warning, if you're updating to the latest test flight 1489, your feed and highlights might be completely empty. But you can go back to the previous builds from the test flight and it should work back. At least that's the case with me. That happened and I downcreated it and all is good and cool again. Unfortunately, most of the politicians are not working. In a way, builders and those people who are creating are thinking, and usually the bad news sell and get you elected again. So most likely this will not happen. And if you're a builder, why are you in a public position? People expect politicians to lead, but in a democracy, the average politician follows. They follow the will of the voters. They simply execute on what the voters want, but with their own idiosyncratic personality.

9:06:29 There are a few politicians who do lead, and usually these are the best politicians and the worst politicians. And altogether, this is the vicious circle. Politicians are looking for people, and people are looking for the so-called leaders, and this is why we are in this mess. On the plus side though, I see a lot of productivity gains as people are not having to spend so much money on all these services that they can help for themselves or have AI on them. They will then be able to go and create new things because there is so much need for new engineering that those minds will go away from programming computers and maybe go create other things. And then AI will adapt to that and then we'll move on to the next thing. But I just see increased productivity. I just think, when I think about it very carefully, I worry that the transition may actually be a very dark period. Especially if we're not able to take care of those who will not be able to survive the initial shock of this upending of an old system.

9:07:28 How many positions, jobs you can come up, which were not even a thing 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago? That's how the society is always changing. and I don't think it's slowing down. It has never slowed down. There's always been disruption, but people are inventive. They always create new needs, so there's never less demand for things. It's just about discovering new ways, so I wouldn't be worried. TikToks and all these performative video clicks has made this explosive option less credible nowadays. Maybe it's better to be just hard-quality calculating James Bond villain. It only works if you're coherent and extremely well-spoken. In other words, you need to be real.

9:08:21 I think this is where public messaging is important from leaders, because by focusing on doomsday scenarios, they scare people. whereas if they used empowering messaging they'd encourage people to use these tools to offload tasks and to become more effective at their job or maybe even explore new areas of knowledge that they are interested in and maybe start businesses. I think a lot of it's down to how this is framed. Unfortunately most of the politicians are not working. In a way builders and those people who are creating are thinking and usually the bad news sell and get you elected again. So most likely this will not happen. And if you're a builder why are you in the public? position. Right, it's time to go full Genghis Khan then. TikToks and all these performative video clicks has made this explosive option less credible nowadays. Maybe it's better to be just hard-quality calculating James Bond villain. Friendly panda.

9:09:19 Yeah, sometimes I think of air chat as a global walkie-talkie or a social walkie-talkie. it has the social it has to walk talk so it has the movement it has this casual nature it also implies that you are in a distance and because it's social it's more than 101 it was effortless async voice chat i guess not looking back that's a little long-winded but i really liked it at the time friendly panda Well, my bold statement on AirChat was never feel alone again. That pissed a lot of people off, but a lot of people liked it too. And I think it's authentic and it really is about the feeling that this app evokes. But at the moment that's gone. I don't know if we'll bring it back. Fairy Forum happened this week. It was today's event for the Fairyverse.

9:10:13 Preds introduced how they're going to do the federation there. They had to speed them out there. I had one for my app, and it put me thinking there were some really nice conversations. It was an un-conference, so there were a lot of people talking about various of things, and the next one I will say you something. And this is tying back also to people being a little bit afraid of using their voice, talking publicly and expressing themselves. They feel comfortable doing it in smaller arenas, but when it's public, and it's also pretty broad, even a Twitter and these different formats, either text or voice or video. So this is the change we are in the middle of, and we are not even ready for the next one, which is the LLM staking over, everything being fake and in real time, computed and perfected. It's just a tagline at best. We're not going to change the name of the app. We actually really like AirChat. It's perfect. And you can still do fire chat, water chat, and maybe even space chat. Oh yes, I thought we were just discussing the tagline. So the name is perfect.

9:11:20 AirChat is like perfect. But the tagline, house party in your pocket. And I also like real talk. I'm forgetting who mentioned that. But yeah, there's something magical there as well. So So maybe I mix it through. I don't know. But I'm in for both. Yeah. Yeah, I have still the app on my phone. I don't think I ever was in any house party. I just, it was COVID times and I think somebody invited me. So I installed it. Yeah. Doesn't appear to be working. Entrepreneurial drive, agency, founder mentality, getting things done, shipping, zero to one. Incredibly rare traits. Unbelievably rare. One out of a million. I'm going to tag the team for a moment. Kyle, Kevin, Ben, Brian, Veer, Cameron, Andy, Padam, Arjun, Sigil, Milos. Take a bow, gentlemen.

9:12:20 My second favorite part has been having Keith as a user. I'm really curious of Max's response, if he will even respond because he will reveal something. original air chat default you should run for president that was a political answer hey linda typical friday night enjoying an amazing california meal and air chatting at the same time whole new meaning of saying catching a good content on air chat oh now we need to include fred hall how do we do time compression whole new meaning of saying catching a good content on air chat there's also another option we could try inspired by the infinity hotel so the simplest solution is just everybody's start speaking double the speed so this way we will increase and there's no compression needed and air chat do not need to tweak the algorithm oh you gotta share the hack How do you do 4x here? You put it on 3x then listen faster.

9:13:26 Oh, now we need to include Fred Hall. How do we do time compression? I never ever can bear listening to myself on 1x. It literally makes me disgusted. I only listen to myself x4. Oh, you've got to share the hack. How do you do 4x here? I think lots of software guys, myself included in the past, we have that shamanistic belief that, oh, if we include hardware into solution, solution automatically becomes bulletproof secure. But 10 years in the trenches taught me better because realistically, as soon as you introduce that extra trinket, well, it's single item. What if your cleaning lady finds that item on your desk? What if your drunken friend find it when goofing off in your apartment during the party? There is so many scenarios what can happen with, again, that single physical piece that is very easy to lose, very easy to destroy. And again, how you secure access to it? If we're talking about old school trinkets like Trezor, so your keys are on the trinket. That's literally the only location of the keys.

9:14:25 And how they are protected? Oh, by a pin code. So if you are typical casual users, like type of small business owners, like typical square users, do you think they will have a 10-digit random generated pin code? Or it will be 1, 2, 3, 4 on sticky note, and that sticky note would be glued exactly to that hardware trinket. So by introducing hardware, did you really increase security of that system? Did you really make the user safer? Or you basically created illusion that it's secure because there is a hardware trinket involved. So when you start thinking about all the externalities of actually integrating hardware into workflow, I think for professional, it works amazingly great because we know exactly what hardware is capable of and how to secure it. But when you start dealing with casual users, yeah, I think it's a far bigger percentage for statistical disaster. I think he's associated with the Mises Institute.

9:15:38 And yeah, he's into Austrian economics, and I think he's amazing. And I love his ideas, and I love his little short new book called How to Think About the Economy, which he promotes as something that your grandma can understand about economics. Per, it's great to have you here. Feel free to engage in discussions that you find interesting, and let us know what you think. Hey, Per Pylund. Welcome to the AirChat experience. It looks a little bit different from the AirChat, so curious to hear. How do you like it here? I completely agree. I've never bought the medium of exchange analogies. You don't need it as a medium of exchange. Any medium of exchange will do. In fact, if you were transacting quickly enough, you could use the Turkish lira as a medium of exchange. It just happens to be an accident of history that the medium of exchange and the store of value are currently the same thing. But historically, that hasn't always been the case, and they will likely decouple again, each one doing what it does best.

9:16:30 Yeah, that's true. I was just thinking, I don't know, I was thinking more in fundamental ways and money proper, and we don't have that anymore. So yeah, you can separate them. It introduces some of the issues, but for example, money of medium exchange can, if you do it quickly, technically, you can use whatever you like and counterparty risks come with that. But that's just the reality of the life. And yeah, you can have different asset classes, which can be a store of value. Anything goes in that regard. Yes. So technically, I think nothing has changed. It's just like the rest of the humanity before us. Yes, you can actually use almost anything for the medium of exchange. You could use the Turkish Lira or the Mexican Peso as long as you get in and out quickly enough. What state am I when I try to find the mic button on Twitter? The latest version of Edge It App looks really nice. It's really pleasant to operate with. So congrats! By the way, explain it to me like I'm five and probably I am. What does the star do? I just cannot figure it out. I mean on the left top corner.

9:17:29 I've tried to watch James Hoffman's videos on YouTube to recommend me a coffee grinder and that guy just cannot get to the point or summarize he has amazing insight but he just rambles for 20 minutes and he just does not give you a list at the end or say buy this right there's no text summary so I'm looking for someone to cut to the chase and say here is a great stylish small electric coffee grinder that does the job and will do fine for pour over or drip coffee and then here's the fastest method to make a high quality dark roast drip out of that and whatever you're doing do not go to webworkshops.com. It's the end of the line. It doesn't get any better from there. So do not go to webworkshops. Thanks for the suggestions, Petri. Some really good ideas in there. I'm actually going to go with just the French press system and a good grinder because I don't drink espressos or Americanos. I don't like Americanos very much, but I appreciate the input and I'll look into the Vario. Thank you. If he just wants to get rid of TikTok, why not let Elon Musk buy it? I'm sure he do a proper job. We will not recognize it after a year. A growth mindset is treating everything as a skill issue. That's literally my problem. Everything is a skill issue. Not good? Skill issue. Don't know web development so you can't build an invitation flow? Skill issue. Veer's gonna teach me and get me familiarized with the code base. I'm just gonna learn, you know. Have the highest a positive second derivative rate of growth and you will be unmounded. You will outpace all the people who have negative connotations to learning if you are a lifelong learner.

9:19:00 If you really want to take it to the next level, then you use the same method as Bastiat in the 19th century was using. He was using it for writing and argumentation for reduction ad absurdum, but here you can take it to the next level by, let's say that you think that it will take a month. What if it has to be ready by Friday? What if you think of improving something two times, three times? What if it needs to be a hundred thousand times, a million times better, or faster, or whatever the metrics you're thinking of? And this way you have to break the boundaries, assumptions you're having and start to think differently and because there's only loss of nature and creativity the rest is for you to figure out early twitter was buying out some of the clients and this is obviously a good move if you want to block the competition and i cannot help but think of forecaster where the warp caster is the leading client now and i don't think there's any other legitimate competitor for that one at the moment of course this can be only seen as a could hire but since blue sky the organization which has been developing AT protocol and also the client and the network at the same time they have taken other people's money so they need to do something in order to return it so this always begs the question how do you do it and it seems to be that when you have a leading client the rest will not really succeed so it's the winner takes it all and the left the rest are just left with the scraps this is what happened with the good old browser wars as well. Early twitter was buying out some of the clients and this is obviously a good move if you want to block the competition and i cannot help but think of Forcaster where the Warbcaster is the leading client now and i don't think there's any other legitimate competitor for that one at the moment. Did Blue Sky just use the old twitter playbook?

9:20:46 they hired GraySky developer, which was the leading iOS alternative client for BlueSky. And now the app is obviously out of commission. And there's only the BlueSky app, which is not really good at the moment in iOS. Keith, this is literally the moment you've been waiting for your entire life. Introducing Daniel Hong. Back in 2008, when he was eight years old, he received the Bitcoin white paper from the mailing list. And at age 11, he implemented one of the first GPU miners for Bitcoin in the CUDA programming language, which, as you may know, is by NVIDIA. And I think around that time, he was also jailbreaking iPhones. And one day, Apple tried to sue this guy, but then they realized he was a kid. So instead, they offered him an internship.

9:21:36 So they flew Daniel out from Korea all the way to Cupertino. And he worked on the LLVM team, building out the Swift programming language, which we currently use for building out this iOS app called AirChat. But anyways, Daniel's been around the block. He's one of the most technical crypto people I know. Incredibly smart and has a very fascinating, unique mind. Daniel, why don't you tell us a bit about what you're working on right now? I know X is going to shit because even creators like Massimo, who used to post informative and engaging content, have now switched to clickbait content. It's just awful. Why is it that the modern cities most rich in culture and the arts, like San Francisco, Paris, New York, and Los Angeles, why is it that these cities tend to be plagued by poverty and homelessness? Or is it that the contrast is more higher and you recognize those things?

9:22:36 The contrast is certainly higher, but just on an absolute basis, many of these cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco just rank very high in the per capita scale as well. The small version of Kate's profile picture reminds me of this. Little does he know that he will end up programming the new ultraviolet laser that we have for electrostatically separating different kinds of microscopic particles. Did you already send him the spec? The point is well made by the existence of Einstein. It's often said incorrectly that he didn't do that well at school or he failed. He sometimes says, oh, he failed science or he failed maths. That's not true. He did well in physics and maths at school. But he didn't, he wasn't outstanding. You know, you wouldn't have known that Einstein was Einstein by looking at his school results. The teachers couldn't identify him. Any objective person wouldn't have gone, OK, I'll give you a scholarship, Einstein. It wasn't until he left, you know, and he did his undergraduate and then he was going to go to school. On his own, in the patent office there, he came up with this stuff that changed the world, that revolutionized physics forever.

9:23:39 But at no point before he produced that would anyone have identified him. So how do you identify someone like that now? Well, that's the eternal mystery. I don't know. But we're working on it. It takes one to see the one, and that's usually after the fact. And also, what if it's a coincidence? What is a chance somebody stumbles upon this thing? because nobody else has looked into that direction. It's not a person. It's the circumstances, the coincidences. So there's no way to identify the person because it's not about the person. Well, in a way it is because he or she was the only one doing something in that field. But anybody or almost anybody could have done it with the same level of expertise if they just would have looked into that direction. So maybe the point is you cannot do that beforehand. And that's why you should allow everybody to do things and not predetermine beforehand who has the access rights.

9:24:33 There are some excellent courses by David Mullen at Harvard, CS50 Python courses, which are the interaction courses. They're really well made, and millions of people have went through them, and they're really worth checking out. They are exercises, so you can build up your skills, and it's a little bit more supportive way of getting started. And maybe that even speeds up things, so it's just worth checking out. And they are also free. Well, that's why scientific unit of measure is called gigapetri. I better keep talking. Beta-petri is very better. But the question underneath your assertion is, do fundamental breakthroughs in those cases happen because of, or in spite of, the static societies in which they found themselves? Would more dynamism have helped an earlier flourishing and more than just what did occur in all of those empires and dictatorships?

9:25:27 We're not quibbling over whether government funding allows progress, period. We are discussing, I thought, whether it is the best way of doing things for, in particular, fundamental research. So if you had the choice, would you have the government bureaucrats choose? Or would you have entrepreneurs and investors just give money to the innovators and allow them to do blue sky research? Society is also hostile to new innovation. They resist, they rebel. They don't want to change. They don't want to change the way they saw at the moment. There are a lot of incumbents who are benefiting from the current state of affairs. So there's a lot of factors which are against. And if you're government-funded, you're also vulnerable to get cancelled. And this doesn't happen if you're already out of the system. Einstein, not government-funded. Keep going back in history. Faraday, Darwin, Newton and other pioneers of the scientific revolution, not government-funded.

9:26:17 The pioneers of quantum theory, largely not government-funded. But then, of course, you have the Manhattan Project. But that exception proves the rule. Today we've got Deutsche Marletta largely working outside the government-funded system and the university system. Julian Barber I've been speaking about recently, also not government-funded. What advice do you have for ambitious people who go to prestigious institutions and realize that it doesn't align with their values or that a lot of the work is almost fake? I have friends who complain that the prescriptions they give are getting in the way of them doing real great work. I feel like people feel this, especially if they truly want to or aspire to want to do great work. Why do you do what you do?

9:27:06 Do you do it because you're curious and there's something which needs to be solved? There's a problem and it's bugging you and you need to do something because nobody else is doing anything about it. And it just needs to be done. Or are you doing it for some other purposes? Holy shit, Petri, your old air chat data is 13.8 gigabytes. Alright, I'm sending it to you. Holy shit, Petri, your old air chat data is 13.8 gigabytes. Alright, I'm sending it to you. Some words were spoken. Thank you. Hey buddy, I have a little life update. You know the guy I'm dating right now? He proposed to me for a marriage yesterday. He was in my city for my birthday, and just before he boarded his flight on airport, he gave me this note in which he had written about his feelings for me, whole hearted it, and it was really sweet. And I'm actually considering talking about this relationship with my parents so that they can take things further, because it's a long procedure in India.

9:28:12 Fingers crossed, I'm very curious about their reaction. Life is a sandbox play. You take the qualities, but the rest stays. Talk like nobody is listening. True for all of us. Conversation is the ultimate prompt. You can have writer's block. You can be camera shy. You can have stage fright, but almost nobody has conversation block. Imagine someone listening to your air chat conversations a thousand years in the future while they're traveling to Alpha Centauri. And they have nothing better to do than dig into early days of social media archives and listening to all these conversations. No pressure. Just keep on talking.

9:29:02 Time doesn't really exist. And there's only potentially the rest of the humanity listening to you. Keep on talking. No pressure. public converse are the new social media posts pretty clever book marketing i noticed on nostril yesterday avipura made a book i think it came out late last year where he gave clues for 24 words in the book i think it's a fiction book but here's the twist if you put those words you discover those words and you put them in the right order Those are the seed word for a wallet. And that wallet currently has a word of maybe 12k of fiat USD. So that's pretty nice marketing for the book. Read the book, but try to get there and unlock the secret. That is a bold and interesting marketing strategy, I must say.

9:29:57 A few days ago, Alex was talking about how Claude III found a digital needle in a haystack, or in that case it was a pizza reference, out of context of the rest of the body of the text. So maybe this could be a similar thing. Those 24 words and the clues, which are dropped in probably in more than one place for the order of the seed words, might be a little bit out of place for the rest of the book content. So this is a test to see whether LLMs are any good, actually finding stuff out of context. Someone tweeted like a month ago, a tweet that says, don't confuse a deep talker with a deep thinker. And some people replied in the comments, asking what that meant or what was the difference between the two.

9:30:48 So I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. what's talk without thought pretty clever book marketing I noticed on Noster yesterday Avi Pura made a book I think it came out late last year where he gave clues for 24 words in the book I think it's a fiction book but here's the twist if you put those words you discover those words and you put them in the right order those are the seed word for a wallet and that wallet currently has worth maybe 12k of fiat USD. So that's pretty nice marketing for the book. Read the book, but try to get there and unlock the secret. A new welcome finder's fee is optional. But if you generate something people can experience firsthand, well, you need a Vision Pro or some kind of a device to see it. But if you can, so to speak, walk through and experience something which takes compute, effort, time, work to put together.

9:31:49 And that's something that you can visit. It's the ready player me, which is coming maybe in 5-10 years for all of us. Until then, it's just practice with NFTs and cryptos and all these different shapes and forms till we get there. Matrix. Be me up, Scott. Our virtual world's the new Flex. because influencing with Instagram and posting pictures and videos can all be reproduced with LLMs, so it doesn't prove anything anymore. This is an emergent air chat behavior. It's going to stick around forever, like periods at the beginning of adding someone on Twitter. It's others who speak by silence. Truth be told, Max, I love your insanity.

9:32:38 Even here, some people are trying to get out of their mind. lunch hashtag food poster tom tom tom the original air chat influencer i went to twitter and it feels so quiet i kept looking for the play button the native audio generation is so behind air chat true for all us conversation is the ultimate prompt you can have writer's block you can be camera shy you can have stage fright but almost nobody has conversation block in both cases physics or contemplation you will end up with an objective fact of the matter there is just the instant it's where you think you find time. But there is no time when you look closely enough. An Instant in Time, a mini podcast for AirChat, and an introduction to my own series, breaking down David Deutsch's Fabric of Reality chapter all about time. The instant is not in time because there is no eternal time. Time is in the instant. The instants are what is fundamental. Time is a word labelling a fiction that we've all agreed on, like the force of gravity. There is no force. There is no time. There is only the eternal now. Physics says so objectively. Contemplatives demonstrate this to be true to themselves subjectively.

9:34:16 The current promise of AirChat is that you can open it up and have a conversation anytime you want. The future promise of AirChat is that you will be able to open it up and have a conversation anytime you want with something that you want to talk about. see you'll see so is the united states government finally banning tiktok are we there the bill described it as um banning i actually don't remember the exact words but um tick tock posted on x a response that even though it's worded differently it's clear that this bill is against tiktok we're about to ban tiktok and tramples whatever rights americans have to access information via tiktok some bullshit like this um what do you guys think yes or no to ban tiktok is tiktok and the rest dead in one or two years anyways because of all the llm generated content and videos all those lose meaning because you can just type in a prompt and there it goes and you cannot tell the difference whether it's a fake totally fake or authentic so the whole signaling thing goes away the whole influencing thing goes away because everybody can do them do that so what's next? Fuck, I was too optimistic. When Walter White dies, a new Heisenberg always comes back.

9:35:55 Where is the nude Walter White? We need Walter White. There was Weeds, there were so many good series in the last decade, and where are they now? Walter White, come back. And then all the stuff about like, oh, the data does not leave servers in the US or whatever. I mean, it's just a laughable joke. Every Chinese tech company has CCP officials inside of it who are basically, you know, running the place. So I just don't know how you get around that. Is a Chinese company like it or not? That's the main issue. If it was an American company, hell no, there'd be absolutely no justification for banning it. Zero. But given that it's a Chinese company, that's the issue. Would you let the Chinese government own every large newspaper in the United States or own every large TV station or own every radio station? This is on the same order of magnitude. But it's way more complicated and way more deep if you look at what is done in China, what type of technologies are coming here. There are routers, there are telecom, mobile network switches and all the gear needed for that one.

9:36:51 Some of the countries in the EU have banned network access for those Chinese companies to compete with Nokia and Ericsson and others because they consider it a critical infrastructure. The same with mobile phones. Maybe your friendly vacuum cleaner is sending pictures and stuff. China as well. And if you start to look from that perspective, all those little pieces of info put together and looked by the same officials start to give a better picture of what's really going on. Again, nothing probably happens in the universe. Things just happen, or they don't happen. That's it. That's the fundamental point. That rings really true. When I was just coming fresh out of school, I interviewed for a job at McKinsey. They really wanted me. The manager told me I was I was a shoe-in and had an interview where the woman asked me, she said, who are your heroes? And I said, I don't really have heroes. I just pick and choose what I want to learn from each person.

9:37:43 And she just literally blurted out, that is so arrogant. And I got dinged right there. Exactly so. Double tapping to like, H18 domain feed. I think that's already in Android. I don't have an Android, but I just saw that. And that would be pretty cool. For the Android people looking at this message from their feeds, what we do have on Android is the ability to like a message from the notification player. Well, it's featured in Instagram and other places, so you don't need to even look carefully. You just tap into the general direction and it's just a tap-tap. So you don't even have to open the view. Well, I'm only on the iOS, so it may be different in Android, but I mean, it's just like you don't need to even look. You can just listen to it, you like it, you double tap and you move on. but just an idea.

9:38:33 If you're working on something you really love, is it possible to be fatigued by it? Work was kind of exhausting today, but I guess what I'm trying to ask is, how do you know when you've really found something you love to do? When you're going to bed in the evening, and you barely can wait to get up again and start working, and it's just like, can we already skip to the path? I can wake up. Hey, guys, I have an idea of a feature you should steal from Forecaster. I think they're innovating a lot, and one of the basic things that they've done is basically allow you to post in different topic channels, So I can post in slash Christianity, slash music, slash parenthood, slash ETH Denver. And it's like dope because I know that I can, I'm not just like spamming my general followers. I know it's probably too early for that for air chat, but it's something for you to think about. I really, really enjoyed that feature. It makes me, it helps me target my content towards people that I know or will have a higher likelihood of enjoying that particular piece of content. Is it better to have two co-founders?

9:39:29 So a total of three or to be a solo founder. The biggest killer of startups is co-founders fighting and turning against each other or just leave. And it's better to be alone if you don't find anyone who is a good compatible match than to take anyone who is not exactly there because it never works. It needs to be all the way there or none at all. Do any of you passively listen to air chat and lurk in the background and not talk that much but just sort of leave it on like radio? And if so, how do you think the playback should work? Should it try to be intelligent and catch you up on conversations you might have missed? What does that mean? Should it just play through your main feed? Should it go through every post or should it just play the highlights? Would you rather just catch up by profile, say, catch me up on everything this person has been talking about?

9:40:17 How would you like a background passive autoplay experience to work if you're not speaking that much? Visually it's pleasing to look the main feed when the cheat view is not expanded. And I mean that it doesn't have the rigid like and that button. It just looks so nice. And I don't even miss the information how many likes something has. I think it's just for the user. But obviously you need that menu bar. Because otherwise how do you boost and do other things. But it looks nicer without. We have a new feature out on the latest iOS build called Highlights. It's not quite done yet. But for those of you who like to control your own threads and save timeless content, you can now start threads, not individual posts yet, just threads, where you are a participant or have started the thread into your highlights on your profile. So this creates a lightweight room that you can always pin and track and show off to people who come to listen to your content.

9:41:12 Any volunteers for UTF-8, UTF-16, Swift, Regex, some kind of debugging? Because that's something I don't clearly understand. I get something and the output of some other people are something different. Just shoot me an email at info at first name last name dot com or just hail here. Never worked in JavaScript. We had some issues with some of our encodings, especially because it's like sometimes really hard to have the UTF-8 encoding with regards to some names. Because it kind of ended up using some special characters in it. But that was because in the code that I was writing that was in C++, this is a little not straightforward. So I had to look into debugging and understanding how UDF8 encoding can be embedded perfectly in UDF16 and vice versa to be able to not go into this bug. And that's the reason why I kind of shared the insight that I had with you.

9:42:06 But I hope you find somebody to help you through it. Yes, it's a similar situation here. You have a user input which has to be encoded into UDF16. Then you have to do the reggae matching and put the byte end and start indexes in place and obviously have to match as well. And then you have to do a little bit of whatever magic and chuckling with the match you find. Then you have to convert all those indexes back to UTF-8. And then magically it works even with non-Latin characters. but when you start to put quotes or some other backslash required characters, the output index values are not exactly where they're supposed to be. I have the smallest example I can almost think of, where the total length of the whole string is 8, and the other code gives us the starting point 8.

9:42:57 So it doesn't even logically make any sense. No, actually what's going on here, and sorry to give away the plot, is that all conversations are actually one-on-one. When you see a conversation and you reply, and you reply to a specific post in that conversation, you basically create a one-on-one between you and the person you just replied to. So when you see a long thread going on, even if there are multiple people in there, it's just a series of one-on-ones stacked one after the other. And the only person who gets a direct reply is the one that you chose to reply to. You can alert others from the thread by saying CC and their name, but that's an extra step. However, the way the system is structured, there are very high odds that even though you fork the reply with one person, there are very high odds that the other people who were in the thread will also see it. I know it's confusing, but I think it still kind of just works and you don't really need to know how.

9:43:54 The best way to create content is to be prompted and to have it come out spontaneously rather than sit down there and compose it but i don't think most people think like that there are more friends per user being made on this platform than any other that i am sure of sounds about the right metrics somebody once called air chat instagram for men and our 2x is actually quite a bit slower than 2x but we just call it 2x for simplicity it's 1.3 or something like that isn't it Siri, iCloud, Apple Music. I struggle to think of a single Apple cloud service that is any good. What little I've been using Apple Music and there's been just a few test trials, never subscribed. It's quite decent product. Spotify has been on for so long that it's hard to compete with that one, but I think the quality of the music is probably better and some other things, but like I said, I'm not a pro user. Hello, testing, testing.

9:44:58 Wow, I saw shit deleted and I couldn't reply, but I could reply to you, because you replied to that deleted shit, so the threads can go on forever. They're going to have to end up buying and integrating some AI company for a fortune. Probably have to bail out someone like an anthropic or a character or someone of that sort. Then they strip away all the services which were already included, like what happened with Siri. I forgot what was the original name for the company and for the product. It wasn't Siri. Whenever my neighbors need to see it. Now we really need to know. I've got a wood fire going. I'm playing Beethoven in the background. The party is right here. Air chat, fireside chats. Air chat, talk to everybody. I think the bigger news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conjuring the whole market more or less.

9:45:56 If you contrast that to the trouble in paradise at Google, a lot of Google is going around and even the revenue model is eroding. I think the big news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conjuring the whole market more or less. What's even the point if everybody's working for Microsoft? Isn't that just like socialism? Based on my logins, I cannot log into Teams meetings, so yes, it probably works as well. Pro tip: if you're using ear chat with the sound off, you're really missing out. Hit the play mode, scroll, see the auto expand magic. It's great. I think the bigger news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conquering the whole market more or less. I don't think they're really conquering the market. They're hedging.

9:46:44 OpenAI controls its own destiny and Microsoft doesn't really control OpenAI despite popular belief. despite popular belief. OpenAI is its own company and plans on being much, much bigger than Microsoft. So Microsoft knows that to stay competitive over time, they need access to other foundation models. This is also a chance for them to take an open source model and host it on their Azure platform and give that one a leg up. So I don't think this is that big of a deal. They're also just made a small equity investment. They were raising the private market at a $2.8 billion valuation or so recently, if I remember correctly, maybe even higher. When I was 12, I got arrested by the FBI for hacking into Samsung.com. A few years later, I got swatted by another enemy hacker. He learned to be a cypherpunk. I was born into it. I was using Bitcoin when I was freaking 13 because PayPal banned me.

9:47:36 I didn't even know what the blockchain was. I was just a victim of censorship. I didn't know who Satoshi was. None of it. Too bad I didn't keep any of those Bitcoins. But then, around the time I was 18, 19, I learned about the other coins. I learned about distributed systems and how Bitcoin was very difficult to hack. I became intrigued because the FBI, they told me that this was my one warning and that if something like this happened again, that they have my file. So I drifted away from the black hat life and learned about neuroscience and optimizing the brain. But then I found my chance to come back. Bitcoin. The only unhackable thing. It was like a strong gravity. It pulled me in and I've never been the same since.

9:48:29 now it's just peptides and bitcoin cryptography and compounds why a nerd will you hack samsung.com there is a kind of pride that shows up when things are going great when there's win after win after wind and there's voices constantly telling you how amazing and wonderful you are that tends to degrade your soul because you start believing yourself invincible you start believing yourself to be a god and it causes you to start treating people in a very arrogant way you talk down on them you start weighing them into different weights purely purely based by their position at the time there's certain behaviors that tend to present themselves when people are filled with pride. But I'm not saying that you display those because you're certainly a pleasant person and I'm not getting vibes of being a prideful person. But since you're thinking about it, those are my thoughts.

9:49:41 Thanks. It's filled with the security situation at the moment and it's an unfortunate state of affairs at the moment. But I just feel that, well, you're a good example. A lot of people don't know, even in Europe and in the West and everywhere, what is the real situation. It's like ignoring the security situation in the late 30s when things are not looking really good. And people are just sleeping and planning their holidays and whatnot. What even happened in the 39? Just a few weeks before the World War broke out. Russia tends to fight these wars, not with the largest population, but with the largest disposable population. They are recruiting globally now. There are some Indians, little African people. There's all over the world there are people joining. And most of the time they are fooled. They're not even getting paid. And if they are, for example, dying in the first month, obviously nothing is being paid to them.

9:50:31 So there's a lot of that happening, and it's all part of the Russian game. They just use people as commodities and play the game. Obviously, the regions, which are the poorest, may start to have a revolt, but given the Russian culture, that's very unlikely. But they don't like to take people from Moscow and St. Petersburg, because that would harm the people in power, but the rest is just disposable. It's just me, but Kevin's simulator is always quiet. It pops up, but there's never any voice, there's never any text. Are they testing end-to-end encryption, or is there some hidden messages in sub-frequencies? The truth is out there. The simulator is using some quantum-level encryption on quantum frequencies.

9:51:23 Wow. It was just last week. Apple introduced the post-quantum encryption in iMessages, and you already have implemented it. Years back I did a TikTok where Finns are so imposing. When you're in a public transportation, a bus, you have to signal, you have to push the button, which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop. However, in Estonia, it stops at every bus stop, so you don't need to do anything. You can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. I'm looking forward to reading this. Thanks for sharing. a bus you have to signal you have to push the button which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop however in Estonia it stops at every bus stop so you don't need to do anything you can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. The story about LP, what's your take on that? Do you think that that was the correct approach to cancel the concert?

9:52:46 Do you think that that's a good deterrent? I'm not a party on that one. So in that sense, I don't have an opinion. But I do think that if you don't consider it as a problem that Russia is invading and killing people, then I think it's better to think about things. So in that way, well, if you live next to Russia and you know that they may come any day, maybe tomorrow, and it has happened in the past and it probably will happen in a thousand years in the future. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of survival. So in that sense, it's that serious of a matter. And if some people are just shrugged off and just think it's just a convenience or whatever, a fun topic, I think it's just a different level. So these are the perspectives here. Authentic conversations.

9:53:37 Air chat. Oval talk. Everyone pretends that they want to be social and out with their friends and hanging out with real people. But in reality, most of your time is spent alone staring at your phone. Years back, I did a TikTok where Finns are so imposing. When you're in a public transportation, a bus, you have to signal, you have to push the button, which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop. However, in Estonia, it stops at every bus stop, so you don't need to do anything. You can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. I just realized I missed this. I missed the people who are on here, the early air chatters. I missed the impromptu conversations that are happening, still exploring, trying to figure out what to put on here, how this works, where are some of the obvious, let's say, missing pieces for me. But I definitely feel a feeling of coming back, which is great.

9:54:33 Welcome back. We missed you too, or at least I did. Instead of authentic, which is overused and is a little bit of a big word, I would recommend real, real conversations. Air chat, voice matters. Yeah, and that's why I say those institutions are falling apart inside. The moment they have to recant or apologize, they're splitting internally because the people who did what they did before still believe it. But now management or whoever else has been turned around by feedback from markets and people that they need to change. So Google is falling apart inside. They'll soon have new management. Just watch. Everyone pretends that they want to be social and out with their friends and hanging out with real people. But in reality, most of your time is spent alone staring at your phone. I also realized that people love likes. They love getting likes. We love getting likes.

9:55:22 I like it when people like my stuff, and I'm sure they also like it when I like this stuff. But then if we like likes, that means that we would also be afraid of anything that may mean that we're getting rejected or disliked. Which then brings me to my next thought. In Nostra, there are a few clients, and that was maybe a year ago, the discussion that there shouldn't be likes at all. And you can take all those metrics away from your view and from your feed if you're in a client, a Twitter type client, and seeing posts. So it is, and I guess some are still using it, it's like opt in, opt out. You can choose to see them or choose not to see them. And I think that can change behavior. Why would you care about the likes of others, the popularity of something? it's about you and you as a content creator if you just see that yeah there have been people who been actually listening to what i've been saying isn't that enough why do you need the likes as a signal i'm just questioning it i'm not i don't have any any point of view other than that at this point obviously it feels nice to be liked by someone but do we need it well petri what you've done is you've elevated the conversation so that the chickens fall off you you've taken us to eagle zone right now where we're thinking about really what matters and what doesn't on the old edge at I didn't actually see how many views I had on anything.

9:56:38 I just never found out how that worked. And with likes, it's something where I disabled getting notifications of likes because I don't want it to be the reason I'm jumping on because of a like. But what I discovered is it was a way for me to know that someone actually looked and read or listened to what I had said. And it was not like, oh, yeah, I'm looking for the likes. I actually am on balance. I don't care too much about it. I care more about the engagement. Did someone, you know, see it? Did someone talk to me? Like, I prefer the engagement rather than just the likes, the passive likes. So whether they are not, I don't care as long as I talk to people. Honestly, I want to invite more people. I wish there was more conversation in the feed. I want to talk more. I don't want to talk in every conversation, but I want to have more hooks. I want to have more topics. I want to have more different kinds of people. And I want to have more things that I can jump into and engage in.

9:57:32 I would love to have a feature, and this is just a soft, weak recommendation, an idea coming from that more conversations and picking up what you said about missing conversations because you were sleeping or doing something else. How about if there would be some kind of a personal filter for the main feed, like in Apple's mail app on the Mac? You can have a visit on Gmail, I don't remember, but there's this star, the VIP thing that's on a Mac, Apple Mail. So you could pick up some keywords, and they would be coming on the top of the feed. So those topics which have some keywords, which just this string contains this type of word, type of thing from the people I follow, those would be prioritized, or maybe there's this category, or maybe that's the listing you're talking about. But it could be something like that, which would prioritize the things which may exist, but you just don't see them. But it doesn't need to be an ALCO or anything.

9:58:20 It's just maybe a way to filter if that's possible and can be done locally in the device. Yeah, I was thinking of something pretty similar, where you could start typing a keyword on top of the feed, and it would just dynamically filter the feed based on that keyword. and then of course it could store keywords it could also suggest keywords based on what's in your feed so you know all that stuff is interesting it's a little further down the line we gotta do a lot more basics first we don't have dms we don't have media uploads we don't have bookmarking we don't have pinning a lot of basic stuff we're still missing so that is coming eventually but down the road. Anyway, thanks for flying, air chat. I also realized that people love likes. They love getting likes. We love getting likes. I like it when people like my stuff, and I'm sure they also like it when I like this stuff. But then if we like likes, that means that we would also be afraid of anything that may mean that we're getting rejected or disliked, which then brings me to my next thought. And it's okay, she'll understand. And if she doesn't, it wasn't meant be. I'm on it Max, give me a few minutes. Awesome thanks so much. I also sent you a DM on AC, and weirdly I also replied to you on this one earlier but it seems to be gone. We already do paragraph splitting so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I did a screen recording about this view and it's on your AC DM so check it out. There's also another message there. At last every chits get their own url yes yes it's snowing in denver right now and i'm experiencing snow for like the first time um snowfall for the first time but pretty cool i'm glad to have lost to a worthy man keith is a legend so for that reason i can forgive your betrayal because it was really to a worthy man we're open to it it's just not on our short-term priority list there's some more obvious things to to get done first.

10:00:20 I was just thinking the Twitter UX way, which is that you just click the retweet button with a comment, and then you can do your thing. And then it's the beginning of a new thread. But if somebody wants to check the context or expand what's been happening, and if the reply you're doing, the retweeting you're doing, the retweeting is for a thread, which is more extensive, then it points to that original thing. So you don't need to select more than one chit ever. It's just if you can do the pointer thing. I know that is the complex part in this, but if that's the case and it's not a plain duplication of the chit for the re-chit, is that the term now or is it boosting? How do we should call this thing? Chit chit chit! Re-chit! I don't know. Next year's version of AirChit allows you to put on your camera and record your audio, but no sound is produced because it's reading your lips.

10:01:20 And then your digital audio signature, your voice, has been digitally generated for the Chits. There's a new paper out about LLM that can read the lips from the video feed. And not only that, it can directly translate it into different languages. so it's becoming reality as well. Yeah, I think they're relying on this magic orb that authenticates real people only being in the hands of the trusted few priests. There's also this trend which is just coming. It's probably one or two years still to come really into the regular world but it's the AI generation of everything which puts this exactly in the middle of the authenticity. Yes, you can also obviously fake this but just human connection, human voice being you talking to other human, that becomes rare soon, and the rest is just complete spam and automate it, and that will delete and destroy a lot of the current social media and probably the whole internet.

10:02:21 You might be able to resolve that through a web of trust type model. It would be kind of complicated, but basically A vouches for B, B vouches for C, and so therefore you know C is real, unless the trust chain breaks, in which case you know to drop the trusted middleman. We're getting back to a digital village where everyone knows everyone and if you don't, they're strangers and you probably don't talk with them. Have you tried the AirChat shuffle mode yet? It even has the roulette feature. If you look at the mic icon, it will go fast first and then it will give you the winner. Yep, the crazies on Twitter have made me into an over-explainer. Sad. The greatest truth that I've heard that resonates in my bones is that there is nothing. I think the best way to describe it is void.

10:03:13 It's just completely lack of everything. There's nothing. So it's like the creative force before nothing has happened. It's the potential. It's the zero. It's the infinity. It's all and nothing at the same time, without time. Nothing happens. Void. Life is nothing but creating. because everything is always new. Nothing is the same. Nothing stays the same. Yet, why does it feel so repetitive? Because you do so. You create those patterns every second, every minute, every day. You repeat yourself. But that's your choice. But you start to get the benefits already earlier on. And you start to be more creative. You probably start to feel a bit better as well because those repetitive patterns may not be good for you and have been also accumulating over the years.

10:04:01 It's like a combustion engine completely cleaned and it just works nicely and efficiently. The same thing when all the dust and all the dirt is taken away, yeah, then you can start to perform. And that's what it is all about. I am once again calling on you to recommend new users to join the app. We especially want to test onboarding and seeing if they get confused with the controls like the selector and the recording microphone and cancel and delete and so on and so forth. And of course, please, not Silicon Valley connected people just yet. God, now I'm wishing we had bookmarking in this app. Screen recording is the way to go But then you need to organize those and bookmark them So, another app? I just joined the black tick game I think it looks much cooler In the David Deutsch sense, creativity is the one thing that we do that sets us apart completely That nothing else that we know of in the universe does So given that, why aren't we just creativity itself?

10:05:02 Ksenia, you've hit on some very deep points. That's why I love this app. We can cross boundaries with all kinds of people, between science, spirituality, and life. Life is nothing but creating, because everything is always new. Nothing is the same, nothing stays the same. Yet, why does it feel so repetitive? Because you do so. You create those patterns. Every second, every minute, every day. You repeat yourself. But that's your choice. You are. You are the source. You are the creativity itself. You consist of creativity. Oh, geez. You guys are out of control. I think Tom Troll found another hole in our defenses, and we're going to have to remove check marks from usernames, or at least from display names. Then there's only Aski character, Krabs, left.

10:05:54 People's natural inclination is to want to talk with their voices. I've posted more chits than I tweet. in the past week. Even when I was peak Twitter usage, I never posted this much content. It's because we are built to talk like this. You ever seen that video where there's a guy dancing by himself and then one other person starts dancing with him and after that, a crowd of people start dancing? I think that's what AirChat's gonna be like. A few people are gonna talk and show that they can talk and show that it's fun and other people will and eventually everybody's gonna be chatting with their voices because it's more natural to do that than to tweet. and painstakingly labor over every SEO word choice and all this nonsense. It's just different audiences. I hope the one meant for this place grows because there's so much potential and be able to make real conversations async and voice as an optional thing in the background.

10:06:50 it's like, come here. But there's also another aspect which is that voice has more information than text. You don't get the sentiment, you don't get all that subtext what comes with voice. The voice is so rich and we're so attuned to it so that why it means it matters so much versus the clinical text. What are we gonna do with all the archive of the air chat? Are we gonna release the X-Files, is there gonna be a sub-segment in YouTube with all the golden nuggets, or are we gonna make a book about it, or are we gonna just pile them in some hard drive and forget that it ever happened? Shit, that's true, there is always a hidden trade-off to the powers. Even with pleasure, I think Alan Watts says you can't be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. There probably is some truth in that.

10:07:42 The ultimate superpower would be to have the knowledge of the laws of nature. So when you text other people, there's a study that happened which revealed that when you text someone there's no oxytocin as such is released. But when you hear someone's voice, the oxytocin levels that release are significant. So I think Areset is good in that regard. People get to hear you every now and then. And there's no texting. In any case, looking at my own previous posts, it strikes me as a shoddy excuse. The market does not care what constraints you have. The market wants what it wants. If you can hit the minimum specs for the market, you get product market fit. If you cannot, the market simply does not care what tradeoffs there are between bugs and features and speed and your coding capabilities. The market is implacable. It is a perfect feedback mirror of correctness.

10:08:37 your excuses do not apply. Public air chat announcement. If you want all of your past air chat thoughts and mind streams, just respond here with your email and I will get it to you in a zip file. All of your public past musings. Thank you so much, guys. I'm excited to see you guys prolifically create. If you find HR, let me know where they're hiding and I'll fire whoever's So that's to say, I won't let it go to your head, but I'll make sure that you have many awkward experiences. It's not possible to play, and you have to go to the main feed and find it from there, and then you can play it.

10:09:38 Also can't replicate, but this might be because you're using the iPad. On the iPhone, we are leaving enough padding that you can scroll up and get to it. So is this on the iPad? I sent you a DM on AirChat, where first you will see the case where it's working, and then the latter case is where the autoplay works, but you have to wait. You cannot tap, you cannot move between up and down. the latter one never plays except on an order play and you have to wait so it clearly doesn't move. The other one really works just the first case. Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you're appreciating the velocity at which we're iterating on both Android and iOS. It's on iOS and I'm aware that you were doing the Android but since there's no official airship support profile where to put all these things I just used your profile to put it on this thread and yes that's how it works. I'm I'm on 851, I think it's the number of the build. That's the latest the test flight gives me.

10:10:34 851, to me, does look like after the build where playback was fixed for the last item, but we'll see if we can replicate it and what we can do to fix. What's sad is that the version of the box that most people have heard is missing a key stanza. It was replaced by a Garfunkel clarinet solo, and it only shows up in one or two editions, including the live in Central Park version. And it's a beautiful stanza. It goes something like, "Now the years are rolling by me. They are rocking evenly. I am older than I once was, younger than I'll be. But that's not unusual. Isn't it strange how after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same. After changes upon changes, we are more or less the same." I don't think I got that exactly right, but close enough. My theory is that as the air chat grows, younger people will find it. And as young people find the air chat and adopt to it, it will grow more. And two big reasons why it will grow are these.

10:11:25 Reason number one is voice. Voice is authentic. It's raw. It's a new medium. And youngish people on the internet, they're not shy of using new mediums. They're not shy of putting their voice out there. But it was not possible to scale it at this level before now. before AI, before transcriptions got this good. So voice is reason number one. Reason number two is just that people are looking for new homes on the internet. Everyone wants a home on the internet. And if you give them a way to build a new home, like AirChat has given us, this group right now on the app, they will come, they will live, and they will thrive. AirChat needs a quote, tweet. And similar to quoted tweet, the reply is on the top and the original is at the bottom when you see it on the feed. But the twist is that in this case, the audio comes first from the original and only after that comes the reply.

10:12:27 All right. I'm wondering if I should do air chat highlights. And my thought with this is incorporate the little spoof I did on the reality TV episode advertisement of the first day of the new air chat. And also incorporating things if Jess were up to it, like the good mornings and weather report and any other things that people frequently are committed to on a daily basis. Thoughts? Marty Malmi, who was working with Satoshi, I think he was the first dev who was cooperating with him. He just dropped the correspondence he had with Satoshi for the first years. It's at malmi.github.io forward slash Satoshi. His name is Marty Malmi, so it's the first letter of his first name and last name.

10:13:19 And there you can find a lot of stuff. And now we can add to the hashtags and cc tags. how do you tell the links? I'll never forget a YouTube video I saw showing you how to roll your R's in Spanish and they gave the example of if you say the word bottle or rattle and the t-t-l-e at the end quickly bottle that's the tongue movement for rolling your R's for going close your ears perkele on airshad if I can do that with my voice and get pretty accurate transcription, it'll be like note-taking for yourself on steroids. There's been rumors that Apple is releasing something to iOS where the LLM functionalities are way better, so I guess you could be able to do that with regular iOS tools as well. Hey Siri, put this on my notes or reminders or whatnot, and actually maybe it's even working this time.

10:14:21 There's a quote from Naval, inspiration is perishable, act on it immediately. What's more immediate than just being able to spit from your dome into the ether and have it perfectly transcribed, which is something you'd usually have to have an assistant do, along with the great formatting. Sometimes it's too much to type a long note when the inspiration strikes. That's for later, for editing. And Twitter is the last step when you're miniaturizing. the problem is you only do it once the whole cycle you think it through you put it out it's already in air shit and it's automatically tweeted on your behalf did you know the suicide rate among 13 and 14 year olds has more than doubled since 2008 Instagram was released in 2010. The last four years haven't really helped either. That's the last one. It's all fun and games though until someone named CC joins the app.

10:15:44 Another way to think about it is, why do I go to dinners and why do I go to parties? It's not for the dinner and it's not for the party setting, it's for the people. It's to meet new people in a casual and light setting where you can just kind of chit chat with them and perhaps dive into a deeper conversation and get to meet people and make some new friends. And that's exactly what I think we're trying to enable here. If you think about the place where you are at the moment and all the other places in the world where all the awesome stuff is happening. So you're always missing out most of the, almost all the fun, so to speak, with all these conversations, unless you're in some airship or other type of setting. And in that sense, the location doesn't really matter. So it's the means of reaching people in the right way and do it when it's convenient for you. And I think that's the great thing about the future as well. It doesn't really matter where you are because you're always in the wrong place for most of the fun stuff.

10:16:36 When I see a book recommendation, I just add it to my Amazon wishlist because I really visit my saves or bookmarks. Wow, here comes the, it's it, business model. Referrals. Listen to the fourth and fifth sentence. The transcription does not exactly copy what I said. It's the AI events. It's the, yeah, you figure it out yourself. You get the message already, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe this is already suggestive because I didn't go through the whole thread, but what if you mute a person for, let's say, hour two hours some arbitrary amount of hours and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threats or chits they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed so that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you no i actually understood exactly what you're saying um i don't i'm actually interested in how they solve it i think this is a fascinating and intriguing problem to solve so i'm actually watching with eager eyes maybe this is already suggested because I didn't go through the whole thread but what if you mute a person for let's say one hour two hours some arbitrary amount of hours and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threats or cheats they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed so that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you yeah that that makes sense I do not consider it that way got it currently in my following I have people majorly from the west who are living in a very different time zone so they wake up and they see a bunch of content from me and i wake up and i see a bunch of content from them if somebody is overpopulating my feed i think for now since we have a small user base muting them temporarily works because when we see a lot of users coming in you're going to have everybody posting something or the other at all times of the day so i mean that's going to be a problem then anyway which is when you will introduce the feature that you're talking about of muting threads but that only comes with a lot of users and a lot of data and a lot of content So for now, with a small user base, I think muting temporarily works.

10:18:39 Maybe this is already suggested because I didn't go through the whole thread, but what if you mute a person for let's say one hour, two hours, some after their amount of hours, and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threads or chits, they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed. So that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you. Airchid is the tweeter tweet on autoplay. Consciousness is the temporal illusion of persistence. This came out of the Theories of Everything podcast with Stephen Wolfram, and it wasn't the first part of it. It's a really good one, so give it a listen. Bernie Sanders here. I am once looking for your 5X support. Sorry if this is old news to you all, but you can long press the play pause button on iOS and change your speed settings between 1X, 2X, and yes, 3X. No, there will not be a 4X.

10:19:31 Welcome to the new season of Air Chat 3.0. On this episode, Priyanka dons a new identity. I've descended on Air Chat 3.0 with identity 3.0. Is Ilya Elias the new boogeyman? Hello, I'm Udu. I'm biting you, Priyanka. Shots fired with Brian and Kamal. Just burned, Kamal. Dude, of all the things you could say as your first message to me on this beautiful, beautiful app, that's the one? Steven gets voted off the island. God damn it, am I getting voted off the island again? And where is Naval? Wait a minute, everybody. Where is Naval? See what happens next on this episode of Air Chat 3.0. Testing things out. So it begins. Hopefully everything is ready for the 6am release. Looks like activity feed is working, although it's hard for me to tell, but we'll know when people on board. T-3. Hello, AirChat. New feed waiting to be filled with voices.