Airchat '24 archive, part 1

0:00 Well, I think we are counting down the clock on this version of AirChat. And I wanted to say thank you to each and every one of you with whom I have connected. It has been a journey unlike any other. I remember when I first came, my invite didn't work. And so I waited months. I sent Kevin an email and it didn't work for months and months. I just kept saying that it was already used and it wasn't. And I thought, well, whatever. Finally, I got it fixed on my birthday the following spring. And I had missed a lot. And I was sad that I had missed so much. But, you know, that turned out to be the golden hour. It really was. There were enough people on the app, enough conversations. And I didn't really know what to say. Well, people were the best scientists, the best creators. Everybody's talking about some deep things. And I remember putting out a picture of my garden.

0:50 And I was amazed that so many people connected over such simple things. Gardening, coffee, all of those things. What a blessing. It was even more fun. Oh, the food groups, Binge's food groups, all of that. I really love the simplest things leading to deep friendships and conversations on AirChat. I think my favorite thing will be connecting with you in the future. It's not the same without the voice. That's true. But I met so many people who were peripherally in my inbox that I just had never known on a personal level. And being able to meet you, all of you, and share this time and and meet several of you in person has been a blessing. My biggest regret was not jumping on a plane and going to San Francisco. There had been a lot of travel that month. It was a rough month. I should have made the extra effort. Hopefully I'll see even more of you in the future, but thank you for everybody with whom I've connected, even in the slightest measure. Good morning. I hope all is well. I come with an announcement about the future of AirChat. First and foremost, thank you for your participation in this community. It's greatly appreciated. I formed enduring bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet.

1:57 And for this, I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work. And we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call a lightweight podcast studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube reels and beyond. We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version. Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. Brian and Naval, the team, it was an amazing chapter of my life thanks to you.

2:52 Fresh air of amazing people around. Unforgettable discussions. The energy you gave. I mean, it was a pure pleasure. Thank you. And I can't wait for a new planet you created. Good morning. I hope all is well. I come with an announcement about the future of AirChat. First and foremost, thank you for your participation in this community. it's greatly appreciated. I formed enduring bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet and for this I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work, and we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call a lightweight podcast studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube Reels, and beyond. We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can, grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version.

4:09 Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. thank you brian naval and the whole team for the amazing experience and all these chits and chats and fun and all the people i have uh i have the privilege of getting to know during this time here and all the best for the new version as well good morning i hope all is well i come with an announcement about the future of air chat first and foremost thank you for your participation in this community. It's greatly appreciated. I formed Enduring Bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet. And for this, I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now, we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work. And we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call Lightweight Podcast Studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube Reels, and beyond.

5:13 We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can, grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version. Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. I am back and I'm back with a brand new episode of the Rare Earth Podcast and it's been a long wait and finally it's coming out. This one features our very popular, our very well-known, very loved CPWay and this was such a fun conversation. You will get to hear stories of CPWay in a way which you've never heard before and you could also sense all the laughter and the joy in his voice in this conversation. So please enjoy my brand new episode with CPWay on the Rare Earth Podcast. I'm adding the link right here below. Mr. Patriot, I haven't actually had a chance to check it out. I think maybe later tonight I'll check it out or tomorrow. But yeah, it has been very interesting being here and enjoying it. How would an interview in Nostar look like?

6:24 Okay, guys, super excited to share my brand new episode with the one and only Priyata. I had such a blast in this conversation. You will hear Priyata like never before. And such an interesting conversation. Do give it a listen and share it with everyone. It's been quite a while that I got on air chat. In fact, I've been off all social media. I've been busy building offline. Hence, less of social media. Quick question to the air chatters here. Would anyone have a connect to Brian Chesky, the founder of Airbnb? be. I'd like to connect to him regarding a project or a startup that we're probably building right now. Quick introduction about myself. I am Aditya. I have built one of the fastest social media platforms of India called Chingari, scaled to 180 million users and moved on a while ago and building my next thing. Any kind folks at that chat who's connected to Brian and can connect me to him, that would be great. Thank you. MacWhisper added dictation so it should work in any Mac app, any any place. Yes, there's more video about it. And I think it's included into the free version.

7:27 I couldn't find Mac Whisper for the phone. So I did a little bit of a search and found an app called otter.ai that people usually use for Zoom calls transcripts. But on the iPhone app, and I'm guessing on the Android app, you can actually just record your voice like we do here. And it's transcripts pretty good. I don't think anything baits AirChat transcripts, but it was better than I thought. And it's on the iPhone. They are whisper-based or transcription apps, free ones, on iPhone, iPad. But the issue is that it doesn't automatically, or I haven't found any, I haven't really investigated it too deeply, but it doesn't do it without switching apps. So you have to go to the app, then you post the recording, then it gives you the text, and then you can copy-paste it. So if that's the duties you want to do, then, for example, here's one. I want this. Are you going to release it?

8:17 I think it would make a really good iOS keyboard or Android keyboard. You can add it on your phone, and then instead of using the normal keyboard, you just switch over to the voice keyboard. Mac Whisper added dictation, so it should work in any Mac app, any place. Yes, there's more video about it, and I think it's included into the free version. Yo, Minaj and Petri, I listened to this conversation between the two of you. First of all, Petri refuses to give advice at all about anything life-related. But he's very generous with technical advice. I was impressed by that homeassistant.io. I'm going to check that out. And how relaxed you are, Petri, about life and things. That was really impressive.

9:05 I enjoyed the conversation. And I didn't want to make promises before listening to it. But I listened to it and I was like, interesting, interesting man. Thank you brother, as always you take the time and listen to it. Yeah, your observation is right. Petri refuses to give advice so I really liked this conversation with him and people are, you know, listening to it now and you know, giving me great feedback so it was such a joy to have him on the show. And thank you so much for you listening to it. By the way Sips, you have a beautiful voice. Sure do Sips, it's beautiful. I laughed, I laughed. Thank you. No, Firebird, no, don't tell him. Oh, silly Sips. Firebird is no more. He is Ash. This is Fire Goblin. Have you met my friend, Firebeast?

9:55 Hi, Sips. Heard you're a nice guy. Whoa, what's going on here? This is Firebird. Oh, shit. He's back. Oh, no. Firebird's back. One thing I'm missing at the moment, it's a place where I can post my stuff. It could be a tag, it could be a room, but in a way that I can define who can speak there. If I just want to put my stuff there and there's been requests from my following that they would like to see my stuff in a collective one place. But now the profile has replies and everything in there and it's getting a little bit too fragmented to just find those certain topics on the original posts without replies to somebody else. So to have a place to put your stuff, or like in the classic version, you could stitch things into different places, and that way you could create your collection of things that could help as well. Yeah, to me, you know, I don't know, I'm just telling everyone, I think.

10:52 The old version of AirChat has to come back as an aspect of this AirChat. There's no problem with having up and down for one experience, left and right for another experience. It's swiping, we're all good. Bring back all the visual stuff. Let's face it, everyone's looking at their phone. It's not like this walkie-talkie that you're just kind of angling in. You're looking at the phone. You're reading it. All that stuff is fine. You need the DMs back. And frankly, to anyone who hears this, bring back all our content. We had so many great rooms. We had so many great conversations. It's back catalog. It'll give us back. Return the map. Return what you have stolen. And group DMs. These are basic things. And then, yeah. And then let people come in, not with the non-accounts, but just easy accounts. Don't make them set up a whole crazy account. Just like make it super easy, but bop-proof to come from Twitter to here to talk about shit. however you want, and we'll boot the ones that are jerks, and we'll just bring people here. I like the idea of left-right for the depth and up and down for discovery, even though it's the same underlying content, chits only to directions, but if you go left-right, then the main thread is the left-right, and each and every chit can go up and down, and those are then the comments, but this format really drives the conversation, and it was intuitive to follow and listen to the main main thread, the main discussion going. And if you can even limit the amount of people or select the ones who can speak, that would be a great way of creating these almost synchronous talks, which may then be expired in a way that it's locked the main thread. But people can then comment on the each and every chit and the conversation can still keep on going.

12:23 I'll definitely be jumping in and having a listen to this. I know since I've been on air chat, Petrie is one of the guys that always tries to poke your imagination, to bend and stretch what you're actually thinking, to see if it is actually what you're thinking. So yeah, I'll definitely be having a listen to this. Thanks, Manoj. Thanks so much, Gary. I think I've heard this before. Well, this is a part of the conversation. in the episode. And also it is from AirChat, the screenshot, but it was on a DM. So here's my conversation with Petri on the podcast. We definitely had a blast and hopefully you guys also enjoyed it as much. The link below. Thank you, Manos. It was such a pleasure to talk with you. And we did quite a bit talk about AirChat as well. Here's a teaser for one, but there are many, many more.

13:17 So here's my conversation with Petri on the podcast. We definitely had a blast and hopefully you guys also enjoy it as much. The link below. So I just had an awesome experience with crypto. For many years I worked in the travel industry and when we transferred money from South Africa to a different country it would take about three days or something using Forex. And I just did a transaction where money was sent from a different country to me and it took 15 minutes in crypto. And within two hours that money was converted from crypto into my local currency and in my bank account. Now that right there, that right there, is what makes me realize that crypto is the future. It's only a matter of time. It's going to become mainstream and I think Binance has done a fantastic job with that here in South Africa. That's what you get from avatars with small working memory and its compute. The audio format narrows down to contributing to even smaller amount of people than within text because, well, they are these mental blocks i don't like my voice or all these things and this makes it even harder before the audio becomes the natural way so i would say that we are still far off people don't like their voice they don't do broadcast they don't talk publicly that much it feels more private or more secure to just text and type and use your voice so this is something which still also hinders the pool of people who are contributing which is usually just one percent or less of the active users I have not seen the example yet, but quick question. Are you saying that we can post our audio message as a link?

14:52 Or are you saying that we can post our audio message then audio message? I don't know. Or maybe can you explain how do we do that? Thank you. It was a generic comment. There used to be a way to do exports with the video format on a previous air chat. And it seems to be that it's coming again. In the meanwhile, you have to screen capture the audio and then do whatever you like to do with the audio. Maybe add some visuals with some tools, like a headliner or something else, and then you can post it. It's really hard to switch in those kinds of situations. And as everybody knows, but nobody talks about the tech industry is very age-centric. They would rather hire young people and train them up than people later in their careers who want to pivot. Basically, you kind of have to restart on your own. If you want to go into a different field, you have to actually start doing work in that field even before you have a job.

15:40 And I know that's hard. And the best way to do that is to do it publicly. So you do it on Twitter, you do it on blogs, you know, you do it in a visible way that you can show your work so you can have proof of work. So if you're interested in X but your training's in Y, then you start working on Project X but you start doing it publicly as much as possible and at least build up a public-facing interest and resume in doing it. And I think that is the best bet. This is solid advice. I am a perfect example of this because when COVID hit, I had to leave the industry and I was in trouble and tourism. and everything fell apart. So I had to start from zero with nothing and I've always wanted to do programming so I started from scratch building and building and building and I got to the ad chat and I started talking about some of the stuff that I was working on and opportunities just came up and it was just because I was talking about stuff that I was building so I can... is it Bounce or Test?

16:36 I lost the term but yeah this is this is solid advice. Hey James, this time might be coming back. In the classic version, there were really magical moments when something happened, the open AI drama, the floating rocks and many, many more stories where you just barely wait to jump in and listen, what's the latest and greatest and a lot of people gathered together. And then there were also these deep threats with a lot of good content, which is evergreens. So yeah, maybe it's good to have some kind of rooms where the action happens at this point and then that room can stay and you can go back, but it's kind of dead. I did the latest room where I posted something of a, and then other people joined and followed. And that managed to go on for some months. And I think that was one way to do it. But just have one big room for everybody to post. Probably it's going to be too crowded. I'm so happy that this interface came back. You know, I was not using AirChat for a few days due to my interviews. But when I came back, the whole interface changed. And I was like, God, what happened? What just happened? And I messaged one of my friends on AirChat to know what actually happened. And, you know, she was like, everything is finished.

17:38 and now we can't have those conversations those repost and those friends we were connected to and i was like no this can't be true because the essence of hr was was being different right and i'm so happy that it came back so first of all grateful for that secondly i really like the idea of micro podcast you know since their attention span is reducing for all the people i don't know the reason maybe social media or tiktok i don't know but micro podcast can really be a game changer especially if we can enlarge a video icon you know whenever somebody speaks the video icon gets enlarged and that person we can see that person talking and sharing their experience and when the other person talks the same thing happens so this platform can be a wonderful wonderful place for that where we can have really real quality conversations and in interesting way and in a short way so that everybody can listen to that without uh you know thinking about the duration so yeah that's a great thing to do and I really had a very nice time on air chat where we had long long conversations we used to make fun of other platforms I don't want to lose that I mean I'm not interested in making fun particularly but you know there is some connectivity something in the community here which I think I can never find any other at any other place so yeah I'm really grateful for all that and I really wish that this prospers and will definitely come up with something where everybody can talk and feels relatable.

19:00 I think you're right, Keith, in that it worked better than we thought. It could be better, though, especially with that triple format. I think that would be pretty amazing because then people can kind of decide how they want to talk. Because sometimes you're shy and you want to talk privately. Sometimes you want to talk in public, but only with a certain group of people. Or sometimes you want to talk in public, but to everyone, you know? And those are the three urges, I think, that are probably the most dominant of all the things that we've gone through. So we'll see what happens. But it does work at a small scale right now between all of us. It's been pretty cool, man. And I keep coming back to it by instinct. So I think there's definitely a promise. I'd love to just see it at scale or scaled a little more. You know, it doesn't need a billion users, but I think it could be better.

19:52 One thing I'm missing at the moment, it's a place where I can post my stuff. It could be a tag, it could be a room, but in a way that I can define who can speak there. If I just want to put my stuff there and there's been a request from my following that they would like to see my stuff in a collective one place. But now the profile has replies and everything in there and it's getting a little bit too fragmented to just find those certain topics on the original posts without replies to somebody else. So to have a place to put your stuff, or like in the classic version, you could stitch things into different places, and that way you could create your collection of things that could help as well. Honestly, that format of horizontal chits was pretty cool for rooms. I wonder what a hybrid would be like.

20:43 A triple hybrid, where you have the home feeds as threads, the DMs as the chat UI, and then a rooms button with the this ui like all in one app the best of all in one wondering to rule them all thank you i feel like i'm taking crazy pills i've been saying this forever the up down format which needs auto playback what are we even talking about um is amazing for discovery and like quickly going through stuff left right was absolutely the superior way to like run rooms or discussion so yeah it's just better for rooms period and you gotta have group dms and the chat format is fine and bring back the goddamn faces it is all here the up down for discovery left right for depth rooms to build friendships everything else so they can go hang out there and ai art and the fucking faces return the map the thing is most people don't want to talk most of the time they just want to doom scroll and so they come on twitter they come on instagram they come on tiktok they come on facebook and they do doom scroll 99% of the time and then the one percent the time they want to create something, they're already on the network. So off it goes. The problem is in a conversational network, you have to be willing to talk all the time. Other people's conversations are interesting, but not that interesting to listen to. You can't really just doom scroll them. So you only come here when you're ready to talk, which for most people is very, very rarely. And so it's much harder to build critical mass. At least that's what I'm finding so far. I think where this probably heads is there's a small number of speakers and we just have to do a better job of surfacing content and exporting it, the best stuff to kind of create micro podcasts for the outside world. At least that's my current thinking.

22:15 Here's a link to the discussion we were having over a year ago. There's Colby, Noel Keith and some other people. All together it goes, it's a whole room, so it goes over six hours. But at this particular point, I think it's six minutes, it was 51 seconds, where Noel explains about the broadcasting side of AirChat. App, the content filter. Honestly, that format of horizontal chits was pretty cool for rooms. I wonder what a hybrid would be like. A triple hybrid, where you have the home feeds as threads, the DMs as the chat UI, and then a rooms button with this UI, like all in one app. The best of all in one. Wondering to rule them all. Here's an example how they look like then how it was when you have links and you have the art and obviously the voice over there.

23:17 Out with the old and with the new. That's what I always say. I'm just kidding. That's not what I always say, but I'm... I'm just happy that the home is back. The home has been demolished, but it has been rebuilt. And I just believe it will be better than before. It's gonna be so beautiful. I think it was Jesus or the Buddha or the Prophet Muhammad or Michael Jordan or Prince or... or Kurt Cobain, who said, the light will always guide you home. And in this case, the light was a bunch of hysterical air chatters who were having notification withdrawals. He has a good proxy that reverting back to the previous person was a good thing. Naval is active again. I don't know how you guys would do it, but one thing that I do think was really cool about the original air chat was the private rooms where you could have like five private speakers and you guys could you know have a whole conversation and then everyone could listen to it later you know um it was it was almost like twitter spaces but async and i think that is really cool but these like public topic channels just become become dead and give you the illusion of inactivity so i think narrowing it down to like you know two feeds or three feeds you know dumb bar feed a discovery feed and a cron feed like that's solid and then if on the side you could i could have like tables or rooms or whatever you want to call it these little private things uh that are public then that would be kind of cool but it it just gets complex ux wise but i would say like looking back at all the the three versions i was in i think those were the uh most important things in the classic version there were really magical moments when something happened, the open AI drama, the floating rocks and many, many more stories where you just get a good way to jump in and listen.

25:06 What's the latest and greatest and a lot of people gathered together. And then there were also these deep threats with a lot of good content, which is evergreens. So, yeah, maybe it's good to have some kind of rooms where the action happens at this point and then that room can stay and you can go back. But it's kind of dead. I did the latest room where I posted something of a topical and then other people joined and followed. And that managed to go on for some months. And I think that was one way to do it. But just have one big room for everybody to post. Probably it's going to be too crowded. You're very kind, Rick. Thank you. Honestly, I don't understand why people think it's so good. To me, it's all just very obvious. But supposedly people tell me the Farnham Street podcast was better. But to me, it's all just mundane. I'm always talking to myself in my head all the time. And honestly, this is why I kind of co-created AirChat, because I want to have these kinds of conversations all the time with people.

25:54 Not just, you know, when you go on the Joe Rogan podcast, or when you go on the Lex Friedman podcast or whatever, they ask you the same generic questions they ask everybody. And don't get me wrong, Joe is a fantastic interviewer, the best in the business. But it's not the same kind of thing as a genuine conversation, and that's what I crave. And it's not only about the features. I'm on the sidelines, so I don't know what's really happening. And I know it's always not so obvious, and it's really, really hard to build anything. So that's an observation and two cents, nothing else. But it looked like that the features were not exactly in place. But if the team was already looking for growth, that may have been a contradiction in terms, a proper oxymoron. Because if the features are not in place, you may not get the scaling effect. Because people aren't staying and they're frustrated and it doesn't really serve the purpose it's supposed to be. So before you have locked the core features and people are happy, then you probably can get to the growth part.

26:45 But if you're trying to do both or too early, this may not work. Oh, and don't forget, it was a social media platform. Now we're having a messenger, and that's a completely different thing. Messengers are for the people you already know, and social media is for public discussions. There's a lot of videos, fun stuff you never expected, and you can have scale effects and maybe a little bit of permanency as well. So that's a different direction we're going now. In the previous version, which came out this year, there was also the issue that you couldn't mute all those topics, discussions you were not interested of from the people you were following. this cladded feed so much that it became almost useless if you could have that mute option or you have to opt in to select and see those things because people have different interests and you may want to follow the person but you may not want to follow some particular topic or all of the topics they are talking about and then if you could have also filtered out for example replies and just see the original posts in your following feed that would have helped also tremendously yeah the product was pretty much already there there was just missing a few features the asynchronous part if you were not in california you have noticed that a lot of the people are not at the same time and there was no way to catch up the last 24 hours or why not the whole time of the people you've been following so you there was no way to just see the following in twitter you could have reused lists maybe make another list and just get everything the people you follow or just the selected few have been doing the previous time you logged in and this feature was i think at least mine, one of the biggest, if not the biggest frustration. You needed to go to the profile of a person to check what they've been doing, and you still missed a lot of content. And this has the other side. If you're posting not in California time, then nobody sees your posts. It's not that they're not good, because if you boost them in California time, you will get replies, you will get likes and all those things. But this is the part which was never really fixed. And yes, there was discovery, there were other issues as well, but this was one of the core issues which was never solved. Just to clarify, this was for Brett Hall's question, and nobody else answered it, so please go and check Brett's profile and if you know the answer to the question, give him an answer. I don't know why he didn't quote my answer to his question, so just to clarify. I spoke with Zip some days ago and we spoke about changing some air chat over time. Also I did a small graph showing the shift from social media towards Messenger and how this affects the purpose of the app. So you may want to check them. I know the internal links are not working at the moment, but hopefully it will be fixed.

29:11 So there's more than this one chit in the thread, if that comes back. YouTube can show ads on all the content. So whether it's your choice to monetize or not doesn't affect the end users. So they will see ads nevertheless. So whether you want to get a part of the ad revenues or not, I think that's the real issue or the real deal with the monetization. So this has changed some years back. Previously they didn't do that, but now they do that. There's also some hurdle to go over even to get part of the revenue share. And this is obviously something which some of the other platforms are not doing. But yeah, people are getting ads, even in your content, whether you monetize it or not, from your side. Good morning, Megan. I saw this today. And I think it gets a little bit of the sentiment how Edsad is today. We're trying something that looks a lot more like a messenger now. So not a social network where you have an activity feed, but something like iMessage, where you get notified if someone mentions you or someone replies to you.

30:03 Yeah, it's not very clear, you know, how it's going to get rolled out. But I've heard people talking about it here on Edge yet already. but I'm not sure like how is it going to get rolled out and things like that I've got no idea and I assume that Kyle is the one working on it because he was the one talking about some of these changes that you know people were talking about I'm like okay cool this sounds like it's going to be awesome it's a foster place to form your ideas learn new things learn new angles perspectives discuss RQ and fine-tune and hone your thoughts and ideas and then you could post it to elsewhere, like Twitter. And this was something what you could not do in other places. Like Twitter, you could see the text of the same person, but it's a completely different thing when you hear the discussion, the context and how it maybe came about or what was the full extent of it, like Brett Hall posting something, but then he speaks about it half an hour on the air chat. It's a completely different thing. So you start to understand things in a different way when you hear the person's voice and the discussions and responses. and how they are acting over time in maybe almost synchronous discussions.

31:14 And that's something which hasn't been in place before. Well, Clubhouse did it somewhat, but this has been the next level thing. But it seems to be that if we're going back to the topics, back to the arguments, the ideas, and less about the persons and the interplay and the dance of discussions, I think this will lose the interest of people and the fascination and the uniqueness of it all. Yeah, Petri, and I agree with you when I hear you. The thing that I've always struggled with when it comes to things like these is having the credibility to have your perspective mean something in a discussion. To say this is what I see and to have people on the other side take it seriously enough to say this is worth considering, even if we do not execute on it exactly. But to hear it and say, hmm, there might be something here.

32:05 Because I remember when the application was about to open up into the public and I thought to myself, yeah, opening it up for everyone is probably going to be, you know, the most exciting because then you will have this acceleration that looks awesome. But then I thought some things just require a paced growth and I felt like opening it up too quickly might just be too much. It's like if a room has got 12 people and there's a certain culture that is there, introducing four more people over time and letting it scale and fragment slowly is much more sustainable. But then I could be flawed about that. You see, I could be wrong about it. But those are some of the options, like some of the thoughts and opinions I had about it. And it's always hard to create enough... I don't know what the right word is. I would almost say credibility to be able to say, this is what I think and for it to mean something. I don't have that. All I have are my ideas and the thoughts that I have and maybe finding better ways of expressing them. But these were some of the thoughts that I had. And I don't know if they would have made a difference. I don't know if they do make a difference, but I hope that at some point in my life, I'll have built enough credibility for my words to mean something.

33:34 Something is different about AirChat's energy last few weeks, and I can't figure out what it is. I'm having a hard time to plug back in to the routine of hanging out on AirChat. Not sure why, whenever I check the messages for you feed or the top feed, nothing picks my interest. Nothing triggers me to make me want to reply. So I'm not sure. But anyone has any insight? Anyone feels the same? Or it's just me? So here's my conversation with Keith, a man who's got the most interesting stories, a man who's loved immensely, very much in this community. And it was such a great joy having the conversation with Keith on my latest Red Earth podcast episode. And I've been waiting to release this. It's long-pending, and I hope you guys like it. There are a bunch of people I'm tagging here because there was a mention of you in this conversation. So please enjoy the latest episode of the Red Earth podcast with our special friend, the coolest buddy here in the air chat, Keith.

34:29 I'm an admirer of Grand Theft Auto. These guys literally spent 10 years building GTA 6 and it still isn't out. And people are still playing GTA 5 constantly. That is patience and dedication, striking like a lightning bolt when you're finally ready. It's beautiful. They capture the masses that way. On the other hand, one of my favorite games called Halo completely ruined themselves by releasing too early. And now they're finally getting better, but everyone hates them now. So I think GTA's got it right. Strike like a lightning bolt when the time comes. Is it the voice? Or is it the whole package? there's this if you haven't seen thanks patrie i would never watch that documentary but i did go back to the link and watch two minutes of it and she had a goal of 100 million and she'd be happy and then she was abused in high school that's all i gathered from it um it's really popular these documentaries where the girls are remembering where they went to school and how they were abused and how they survived and so yeah she's she's personas right so she made a lot of money um but deep down inside she's smart right so um i think a lot of us are that way i mean women maybe. Women are that way. I think women will act however they need to act to make money.

35:45 It's a special talent, I guess. I mean, men can do it too, of course, but with the patriarchal society that we're in, women can do it better. The only way I could do it, but in the previous version, it doesn't show it as a reply, so I don't know if it really works, but long press the cheat, and then there's the menu option reply, and that should do it, and that's at least how I'm doing it, and it looks like it's doing it. A lot of new slash old features. The one which is a little bit puzzling is that there's no play button or speed button. So I cannot listen to any of the... I don't know whether it's just me or it's a buck in this person. Do you think the polarization of the two political parties led to this? I think that as well, when you have two political parties as affiliation in each branch, whether that be executive, judicial, legislative, media, and now technology, Do you believe that the polarization is essentially categorizing in leading the charge?

36:43 Political parties just follow the voters. So I think the polarization has happened at the electorate level. The citizens themselves have become more polarized. And I think it's because a very active, loud, intolerant wing of the Democratic Party, the progressive movement, has just ramped up in recent decades. And so, you know, the old joke is that the leftists are people who hate market outcomes and rightists are people who hate leftists. In other words, the writers are just the coalition of everybody else who's like, no, we don't care about your progressive agenda. And I just think that over time, the collectivists have gotten louder and louder, probably because technology has made a wider gap between winners and losers. As technology keeps increasing, the gap between winners and losers keeps increasing. And so the people who lose in the market, whether it's an evolutionary market or a free market, economic market, dating market, what have you, those people sort of gang up and they become very unhappy. And so that group has been becoming louder and louder, kind of going back towards Marxist roots, essentially, identity-based Marxism. and they've just become more intolerant, more extreme.

37:35 And so I think you're getting out of that a polarization of the electorate because you create a counter-movement on the right, which then is very nationalist. That's the MAGA movement. And now when the electorate itself is polarized, then the political parties are going to reflect the will of the electorate. And so the political parties become polarized. And that's why the Republican Party got taken over by MAGA because it was a reaction to the right having lost the culture war to the left. And the left is now replacing the Joe Bidens of the world and becoming more of an extremely progressive party. Everything social is performative. well she contorted herself and she lived a crazy life not one that i would envy but her literal voice is actually very nice um i don't know why she chose that baby voice the whole time i like her natural voice but yeah that was wild just to see that voice switch boom wow it's funny i really liked that just chatting topic title and general was kind of weird and Now I see just chatting as the new genre. I'm loving it. That was a good choice. It just goes with air chat. It's vibes.

38:33 When I'm posting to my following, as it says, when I push the recording button, it still goes to just chatting. And I cannot take it away. So it's that the default. So you are not even required to go anywhere if it's just a blank. Without any other topic, it just goes to just chatting. When things don't require much effort, and it's like a tap, you open the water tap, and it starts to pour in. You don't pay too much of attention to the details or the beauty within, and that's in that video. It has some really nice points, and I think they carry across to different parts of our lives, also outside of the music. Coming back to the music. It's live music, the new analog, the real performance with all its errors, its interpretations, its variants, its dynamic creativity, which is taken out of the equation by AI, digital machines with repetition, and the human part of the performance, living, experiencing and feeling what we're doing. So I left a message last night about Argentina, but for some reason it didn't save man on the ground. So it's probably not very clear to those outside Argentina what's going on in Argentina because our media has collapsed in terms of its ability to deliver quality value, particularly in foreign countries in English. It feels like an opportunity there. And so many have heard that Javier Bley is winning, win after win, but they don't know the specifics. And there was recently an only bus law that was passed, and that law made some really important changes in terms of contracting and taxes. Now they're going after the taxes. They've eliminated 90% of the taxes that businesses need to pay. Now, Argentine entrepreneurs are some of the most veteran entrepreneurs in the world because they deal with the systems. It's just totally insane. And that's being dismantled and quite expertly dismantled. Like it's competence, which is a wild thing to see, given whatever that was a couple of nights ago from my home country. But win after win. Javier Malay is doing win after win. And that's important in politics.

41:01 2025 is the next big point. He's got another year of extended executive power, and then he has to go back to review it with Congress after that. And so that's an update. So it turns out I'm a bit late to the party, but Brother Neeraj hooked me up with some Daft Punk. I think that's what they're called. And there's a song by, well, it's named Giorgio. And then, I just love what he says here. Listen to this. Once you free your mind about the concept of harmony and music being correct, you can do whatever you want.

41:54 So nobody told me what to do. And there was no preconception of what to do. Thank you. man what i loved and what i love so much about this song and what he says there is this idea this realization that when you have preconceived ideas of what something is supposed to be or you have some illusions about who you are and what you're capable of and what you're not capable of based on your history based on your past it limits you but you let go of all of that and you see what comes out when you stop thinking about what it's supposed to be like and you rather focus on what it feels like for you and what you would like it to be like, you can create magic.

43:03 Something beautiful about being naive and going after things. But I think it is possible to do it without being naive. To say to yourself, I'm going to do exactly what it is I want to do, simply because I want to do it. Oh, look how cute. Look how cute. It's me and Sarah and Miss Chris. Look how cute. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. And then here's, here's me and Naval. I think Colby munched in. Colby's just munched and he's just like, Colby, what were you eating in that moment? Can you tell us? Cause I have no idea. Talking about spirituality is great. Once you get past the fact that the only thing we're saying can't be said. So this is when Sips, Pratik, Colby and I rolled in and met Stephen right when we arrived at the event on Thursday. Air chat GPT-4-0 just testing a prompt out and for image creation used air chat as the guiding force and here's the results. I think it's pretty cool. Today I saw an aircraft carrier for the first time in my life and it was really up up close. Seems to be a Spanish navy and the strangest thing is that it just docked at a passenger terminal in Tallinn. Not a military facility or a cargo or something like that, just a regular passenger terminal right in the center of Tallinn. Really weird.

44:36 It's not the first time I saw it in 2022. Here's a picture of it. Maybe it's the depth of the harbour or something. It was super fun yesterday, Firebird this morning drove us to a cafe local here, that was fun and it looked like those you know cafes that you see in the movies, so nice and we had this lady with grey hair you know being so nice and where are you from, where you're going, what are you going to do for the rest of the day with that accent that was so fun and it's a beautiful coffee and you know kind of reflecting all the events that we experienced yesterday, the beautiful people i mean kenzie is wild in person as she is on air chat same energy sarah same thing bretney though no bretney is different in person than she's on air chat on air chat she's got boom boom boom and in person she's very soft introverted i couldn't believe it and um but there's still so much to process because this was a beautiful time i enjoyed it and it's still sinking into my soul so onwards and upwards are there any uh more photos or videos from the event for those of us who couldn't make it.

45:42 I really want to just live vicariously through you all. Hey, Jeshua. I took a lot of pictures on my film camera, and I took video as well. I'm going to edit those for the next few days, and I'll share a full drone here for everyone on AirChat. Some pictures from our meetup. Some of you may be wondering why AirChat is kind of dead today. Well, the Firebird Festival and the AirChat meetup is on, so there's 80 people here in real life doing real life, I guess, earth chat, ground chat? I'm not sure what to call it. Anyway, festivities resume tomorrow. Meanwhile, those of you who are online can just jump in and say something. Keep it busy. Stedman, welcome. Sweet potato pie ventures. You have to tell me more. That sounds so fun and intriguing. And Firebird, wow. Such a pleasure and honor to be on the list of great people. Yes, the founder of the Venture Studio and then also the founder of the ventures that are being started could have some crossover when it comes to equity.

46:37 I think when it comes to the future of venture capital, especially in its current state, or even historical data, it might be beneficial to look at new models that build sustainable companies, profitable, sustainable companies. Now, how that coincides with venture capital may change, but I think it is relevant, especially within the current venture capital landscape that we're in today. Hi, guys. I would love your advice on something. I'm going to talk a little bit about my vision, what I'm building right now. And I'm curious how you think I should structure it. I saw Stedman and Petri talking about the Venture Studio model. And Petri mentioned a conversation from the past about that model with Naval and different considerations for fundraising. Pros and cons. But anyways, I'm going to launch Striking Ventures as my own business. umbrella company to essentially create creator-led businesses that foster creativity, collaboration, community, compassion, and a more resilient society through cultivating striking talent, striking products, and striking experiences. Why striking? Well, I read Bruce Lee's book, Striking Thoughts, and it changed my life, and now I am a student of Eric Carr, second generation, Jeet Kune Do instructor.

48:06 Jeet Kune Do is what Bruce Lee invented. It's a formless form of martial arts. All about self-actualization. And so the way that this would look is Striking Ventures underneath it. Greater business one, Firebird, the personal brand. My music. I want to raise money to record all of my best songs that I've been writing over the last several years the way I want to do it. To build my audience and distribution channels to also help the other properties tied to Firebird. Like a product that I've been working on all about social self-improvement, so taking on challenges together to work towards alignment rather than taking them on alone, so making it more of an adventure to improve accountability, and also then the experiences, so social adventures, kind of like what we're doing this week, like that Parsons, and yeah, that's Firebird. I've thought a lot about raising from the community on Firebird. I see Firebird as something that I want everybody who resonates with to feel like is their own. So that's another consideration. Second, creator-led business. Striking Studio, which I'm partnering with my teacher Eric Carr on. And Eric opened up Bruce Lee's original studio that he taught Jee-Kun-Dohan in Chinatown right before the pandemic. And it unfortunately, you know, ended because of all that. So that's why we train in the park now. But It's got a good relationship with Bruce's family and people who have that building.

49:34 So I want to buy that building. Bring class over there. I think make that connection between striking, which makes a lot of sense. Call it Striking Studio and have that be the first location. I think it'll be great for the content we can generate to scale an online course for Eric and create an awesome brand for striking. Think of the apparel like high fashion, functional fitness, Alexander Wang meets Nike kind of vibes. All the brands in the fight world, in my opinion, are pretty lame. And it's the same. And based off of how the course scales open up other locations that are multidimensional. So not just the training space, but space for people who live this lifestyle to work and connect and collaborate. And an entertainment center where there can be amateur fights and performances all in a ring. And a product that can connect all of those spaces and students to teachers.

50:29 You know, at Striking Studio, there would be the JKD class, but there would also be other programming. So it would be inclusive. But all under the umbrella of self-actualization, using what works, regardless of style. Third, creator-led business realm. This is something I'm building right now with legendary producer Danger. He did a ton of Justin Timberlake stuff, Sexy Back, My Love. He was like Timberland's Right Hand Man. And made a lot of songs that you shook your butt to over the last 20 years. And we have a product that we've created over a thousand people on the wait list, about four or five hundred in the community active. We haven't really promoted it. But we're launching that product later this summer. We have a lightweight web version as well. And we've thrown experiences to bring the community together. But the whole idea is infrastructure for the next generation of music, cultivating creativity and collaboration through the gamified system that introduces users to challenges every day to keep them creating and sharpening their skill.

51:22 Why? because music has been optimized to fit the platforms that they're consumed on. So cut intros to get playlisted on Spotify, create a gimmicky thing to go viral on TikTok. So through the optimization of, you know, obtaining virality, we've compromised creative integrity, I think. So creating a new realm where there's a fresh start. There's infrastructure for creative development, for collaborator discovery, and for opportunity. and then experiences as well that bring the best creators together, generate content, foster community, and produce music that changes people's lives and maybe the world. So anyways, guys, the way I was thinking about it was venture studio model, LLC at the top, you know, maybe LLC for more of the artistic endeavors and C-Course for things that are product and would need capital to scale.

52:15 But I'm also very intrigued by raising from your community and tokenizing the community. So I'd love to hear your feedback now that you have full context on what my vision is, because I haven't done that yet. And a lot of you have, and I would appreciate any insight. And yeah, it's a beautiful morning. There's a lot of ideas, a lot of plans, a lot of different directions. But it might help if you think also from the business model perspective, especially if you are planning to raise funds. Investors might be a little different for the different business models. So thinking in terms of how are you going to monetize? How are you going to bring the revenues? What is the revenue model? And if there are different models also may be appealing to different target groups, those may require different types of thinking, planning and ways of execution. So there might be also different structures in place. But my experience is that structures come after you start to have a business. It's good to plan ahead, but not too far ahead, because then you build a lot of boxes, a lot of things on paper. And after all, it's all about getting people involved and also getting the revenues coming in. I think for me, it's sort of just creating a framework for myself for what I'm already doing and giving anybody who's interested in supporting exposure in everything or something. So the main thing is Fyrebird, which is the original venture, me, and that's sort of what I'm figuring out the business model right now. I think it'll probably end up being hybrid. So, you know, as a musician, there's sharing, you know, revenue generated from the music, the performances, the merchandise, the brand partnerships, the music licensing and then for the product likely subscription i would guess but that's something that i want to figure out with the community um and i think in order to be part of that community then that's sort of kind of the question that i'm exploring here is it subscription is it um tokenized i'm not sure and then for the experiences being uh the benefit for being part of that community and being able to help sort of determine the direction of all of these properties related to fiber and the other collaborative creative ventures are yeah those are the things that are fixed that i enjoy doing so the training the martial arts um i already do that and you know I kind of just want to help Eric grow his class.

54:19 And I think a way to do that, that also is aligned with, you know, what I'm working on would be to partner on Striking Studio and open up in Bruce Lee's location. And that model would be membership as well. Membership to the space, membership to the online course, and Realm Music, same thing. Membership to the platform and also a B2B model, connecting talent seekers to talent in the network. So Netflix needs music for a show, a record label needs a band to support their artist, that kind of thing. So I think really the thing that I'm exploring here is what is the way to structure what I'm already doing? Because Realm is already a company and, you know, can receive investment. Striking Studio is the idea, but really is ECJKD, what my teacher already does. It's just about sort of partnering with him and bringing that to the next level with the online course and getting the funds to open up a space.

55:12 Ideally, we would own the building, but I think, you know, we start small. If anything, we can shoot the content in the space and then maybe get the funds to rent the space to then scale the content. And then, yeah, Fyber, which has sort of been an exploration here on AirChat. Right now, it's kind of happening in real time. So I think I'm open to what the model is for that. It's clear for music, and I think it'll be fun for that to be collaborative as well with the community. But as far as product and the community itself, figuring out what that model even is, is something that I think is something I would like to do with those that are interested in being a part of it. I've stopped using most of the other places. They just haven't managed to put up the network effect. People are discarded, and a lot of people haven't posted in any other place. So X, it is.

56:00 But like you said, for you, sometimes I find it useful. But most of the time, I just stay away from there. It's just lists. And if you can write your lists properly, the experience is decent. But you do it in a sniper way. You go in, you check the lists, and then you go away. And in any circumstances, unless you specifically want to do it, you do not call the for you. And you always check whether the for you is the place where you are because it always tries to put it on. Although I do enjoy interacting with high intellect people and interesting people and new and different people, kind of like when we all connected. That's the reward of social media. And I don't know, definitely the reward is worth some of the nonsense, but when the nonsense on Twitter just gets to be 80-20 and the 80 are the trolls, I'm sure I can go outside in nature. So here's my conversation with Firebird.

56:50 This is the episode 5 of the Rare Earth podcast, and I had the joy of sitting with Firebird, having him answer questions. And we have heard Firebird in different rooms and chits from a long time on air chat, and he's such a delight to listen to. so multi-talented and I think I really enjoyed the conversation here and it's come out in a way which we have never heard him speak before so please enjoy my conversation here with 5 World on the episode 5 of season 3 of the podcast. Is freedom achieving your goals? Living your definition of success? Overcoming failure? Or is freedom to be free from all of that. The desire to be free by achieving our goals and having success.

57:40 Freedom is to experience and explore the unknown. First there was nothing, and then there was something, and after a while it becomes the same. The circle closes, comes back to the starting point. So was there something? Was something created? Was there something in the first place? Or was it all at once already there? Nothing. Thing. Nothing. That is gold. Are we the creatures of a black hole? So the main principle is finish first. Set a clear time constraint, one to two days. Edit the whole thing that you have to edit. finish it first. It doesn't have to be good. Just get it finished. And then you can make it good. If you try to make it good while finishing it, it takes 90 times as much effort. Just finish it first instead of finishing it last. Now you have a finished thing and you can spend your time making it better. And each thing you do to make it better will be forced to prioritize the thing that'll make it the most better first, et cetera, et cetera. And it's a lot easier to approach things this way. Again, this principle is called finish first. Now it's very famous in every medium, but especially in film editing to struggle and be frustrated and lost and trying to accomplish things. And then you take a break, you do something else, you come back to it and aha, suddenly it's easy you figured it out. This is how it works. So the real system design is understanding that there are two phases: exploration and production. It comes in waves, peaks, it punches and echoes through times.

59:05 Wow this is an interesting thread. I am yet to listen to this one but thank you for sharing it. It goes pretty deep. It's a little bit messed up my threading, how I wanted it to go. But if you follow the Unity thread, I'm replying to Unity and the rabbit hole goes pretty deep. Maybe then, When writing something, the more foreign and new the concept is to the audience, the simpler and shorter your explanation should be. There are a few new ideas I'm writing up right now that relate to Noster, and one of them is much more foreign than the other one. One of them is much more far out. Both of them are still quite new though. But I'm realizing that the one that is the most foreign has got to be so simple or else people are going to wince at it before they even have a chance of understanding it. It's going to be like a picture book. But the one that isn't as far out can have a few extra sentences per picture.

1:00:11 It's almost impossible to oversimplify it enough and if you can bring it home with some kind of metaphors even exaggerated and getting eyebrows from the people who are into known, usually the better. Because like you said, if they are following the concepts, people just don't understand them and they don't want to look stupid. So they don't, they will not ask if they don't understand it. And the end result is that nobody's any wiser. So make it so stupid that it's embarrassing and then do it twice more. Then it's probably in the level that people will get it. The X article feature on X Twitter, X, reminds me so much of LinkedIn posts. It just hit me today. I don't know why I haven't seen or paid any attention to those articles before. I'm sure it's not exactly a brand new feature, but when you click them it looks completely like a LinkedIn post or LinkedIn article. So I don't know what to think of that. AirChat, the voicemailing app. All right, here's Here's a sneak peek of what's coming up next on the Edge Ad Mixtape, sometime next week.

1:01:34 same time we have to acknowledge that these are selling out so and a title the title has a huge role to play in this because it's a trend in the market giving a specific number 12 48 94 i don't know come up with any random number 17 19 do people want a fixed number of laws that they can abide by are they looking for some sort of confirmation people often prefer quick fixes to their problems they don't want to put efforts they don't introspect they don't want to sit with themselves and figure what exactly is happening. So making clickbait titles with simple, in this case numbered solutions is highly effective to sell out. And as the saying goes, why take the stairs when there's an elevator? So yeah, this approach probably taps into the desire for easy answers, rather than the effort of deep reflection that they should instead do. R1 and the fact it's actually using chat GPT. Did anyone else see the CoffeeZilla video? It was quite insightful.

1:02:38 Here's some discussions we were having about it when it came out. I would attach a link but I don't seem to be able to post links anymore so here is a picture of the thumbnail. You can find it on your platform of choice but the music video is on YouTube. I love the banning echoes. You may need to have a proper headset to hear them but it's a nice touch. Hi everybody, I'm a new user. Hey Chloe, welcome to the edge chat. Find some topics, join some groups, and most importantly, keep on talking. That's the way to have fun here. Somebody introduced me to this app but it looked cool. Anyway, so I have like something to get on my chest, get off my chest, but I was going for this job interview. I went through it at three different interviews with with three different people so yeah i'm thinking yeah okay i got the job invite me in to do a walk through the premises of where i might work at so like okay cool i'm still thinking i got the job so they so after that like i do a follow-up interview well not follow-up interview a follow-up um email asking about the status of the the process they told me it'll be patients they still in the process of interviewing people so okay cool i apologize for saying like i'm impatient so i wait another week so today i decided to wake up and email them and ask about an update because it's been two weeks since i've seen you and i haven't heard anything from anybody well they emailed me back basically a rejection basically saying oh we decided to go on with somebody else but we appreciate you for having interest in the job and it was a hard tough decision my beef is not that you rejected me is that that it's the fact that you wasn't going at least let me know you have me waiting here trying to just like figure out if i got the job and that but you just wasn't going to let me know at all unless i reached out am i wrong for feeling like that was very unprofessional welcome to air chat and thanks for sharing your experience my impression is that it's pretty common nowadays not to get any kind of a response it tells something about the company their

1:04:47 processes and you may want to take that into consideration whether you are good fit for with them or not, but certainly the situation is that in some cases they might be overwhelmed by the responses and they are not handling properly. And there are also probably cases where they just forget to do it for those who don't want to hire when they find the one they want to hire. And it's just a little bit short-sighted. So there are a lot of different scenarios why this can happen, but it never feels nice. But just keep on going, keep on trying, and you will eventually find the perfect match. And do let us know when you find it. And there are tons of people here, just pick some topics and jump into conversation. Maybe you can find even your maths here. Just testing. Copy that. Road to Cloud and Clear. Welcome to AirChat. Just talk.

1:05:38 I got distracted with another train of thought when I came to post here. I was coming to post about AI. I see patterns quite well, and I see systems quite well. and this has evolved and strengthened over the years and I know education the best. So I see problematic patterns, holes, weak places. I also see places where we can really do the work that needs to be done to transform our world. And I just wanted to drop it here that if AI and hacking systems have been set up for criminal purposes, they could be set up to detect and unwind and transform those intentions into something good, peaceful, and loving for this world moving forward.

1:06:42 Hey there, welcome to AirChat. We have quite a vibrant AI community here. Some of the founders of those startups who are building LMs and software around it are here. And there are, I don't remember, maybe tens of thousands of people already, some of these groups. So check them out and definitely the place to post your thoughts and ideas and jump into discussions. I'm not sure if I'm going to hear you. with people you know who are no longer with you. Do you remove them from your contacts on your phone and other places, or do you keep them there?

1:07:50 And sometimes it's a little bit creepy to see social media platforms suggesting things from those accounts which are still alive. But yeah, in a way, it's nice to remember people who are already gone and you had good times with them. They are not gone as long as they are with you in your memories. Have you noticed there's something going on with this picture? It's a screen capture of air chat shit. It's not about the pixar, you may have noticed the pixar, but the drum rolls, you can now open the pixars and they become enlarged so you can finally see what's in the tiny pixars. On the question of footwear, I've heard various fitness gurus over the years, including people who are guests on Joe Rogan, laud the importance of barefoot running or, at the very least, wearing those shoes that are not padded and instead have basically no soul whatsoever. Because, they argue, this is how our Paleolithic ancestors would have run.

1:08:43 Okay. But, there's a big caveat there, isn't there? Lurking beneath things. Our Paleolithic ancestors also ran on surfaces which were not like modern surfaces. They were not roads, they were not tarred, they were not heavy concrete, such as on the sidewalk, and so on. So my question is, does this idea of footwear, and what you should be wearing, barefoot or almost no soles, such as modern joggers happen to have, like my Nike joggers are well and truly padded, does that only apply to if you're running on a natural surface? And therefore, if you're running on a hard surface, such as the sidewalk, as many of us do if we're running around the city, isn't that cancelled out by the soft sole? So what do you do? Do you run on a natural surface with more natural footwear like barefoot? Or do you effectively do the same thing, cushioning the blow to your joints and to your soles by wearing well padded modern running shoes on hard surfaces.

1:09:38 Anyway, that's my question. I use barefoot shoes for everything, every run I take. Also almost all the walks I take. There are some exceptions like when it's really really cold, you need some insulation. But otherwise, that's how you get prepared for the socks. But it's mainly a technique like I've already been saying, so you don't do heel strikes. So the surface doesn't matter that much. I do not prefer to run on a really hard surfaces but yeah you can do that but the key is that you're using barefoot shoes and the type of footwear for well most of the walking around you do so that's how you get a technique that's how you get good pose that's how you are not getting fractures or any other injuries because of the hard surfaces i'm going to share something really personal but why not so i'm in san francisco this weekend. I'm staying at this place where the last time I was here, it was I think December of 2018. I was staying here for a few weeks. And that was actually where I was going through that breakup that I wrote about in Part 3 of Love Yourself and that experience and the mental work I was doing.

1:10:43 And then in late 2019, I had a bot surgery, which almost killed me. And I spent the next two years in pretty severe pain. And it was not a fun time, to put it mildly. Pain's a physical pain. And really extreme physical pain is tough. People ask me, do you still do the stuff and love yourself? Yeah, especially then. It kept me afloat because there were times I almost drowned. It kept me afloat and I went deeper in it and deeper into what this whole thing is about. And that got me out of it. And here I am in 2024, back in the same place, but a very, very different man. I have my health. I have my mind. And I feel great. I'm so grateful to be alive. I'm so grateful to be me. I am such in a different place mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, the whole thing. And sitting here, that same view that I had in 2018, it's a different man looking at that view.

1:11:39 And it's a man who's here and who's living and trying to do the best he can. And just so grateful to be here and so grateful to have this shot at this magical experience of life. most people have not loved anything. Like, love means you just, what they mean when they say love, I mean, I have an attachment to you. I basically put a noose around your neck to my emotional state. And if you do not behave properly, I will, you know, I'll hurt myself emotionally with this attachment to you. And that's kind of like more like a hate thing than is love. That's why love and hate are kind of like bound together. If you can engage in one without the other, you can absolutely love something without having to hate it. You can just, you know, give without demanding reciprocity. The reciprocity is nice, but what most people think is love is not love. If you have children, you kind of understand. But most people can observe to, even though it's that.

1:12:26 And most people, including me in the past, look at their attachments to their children in a way in which their own current emotional state is tied to the child's current emotional state, which is not appropriate. I, as a father, owe it to my children to be independent of them on these things. That way I, you know, am this ability. Like, it's fine, it's tranquil, and then, you know, net positive, even if they're melting down and all that stuff. But yeah, most society has no idea what is love. They only know what is attachment. Something that approximates hate more than anything else, but they call it love, which is actually quite sad. Not that things should be judged anyway. You, by the lie, of the other person, our situation, or you buy online your mental construct your wishes your hopes your dreams and while you do that you are not seeing what's going on but ah it feels so good it feels so right it feels so strong while you're clinging to these things and when the tide turns and it's gone the illusion breaks maybe for a while, then it's gone forever. You are feeling so down, empty, void, something is not right here. But the dream still keeps on going and you'll still buy it again.

1:14:00 I understood it to be something sort of entirely different. So I have friends that are like, we just click. Everything is natural. Everything is very like abundant feel. Everything is very spontaneous. We just do things and we have a great time. And then I have other friends where I sort of feel like I have to put in effort and I have to put in, you know, that type of thing. It's not that, you know, it's not useful. You know, you need to have those friends where you help each other solve each other's problems. But it really is amazing to meet, to find these people you just like click with without even, like you just get each other, you know? I feel like a marriage would be of that type, or at least that's my current working theory in terms of personal relationships. And then in terms of business, yeah, I think. I think I understand what you mean when you say avoid empty networking and instead do something interesting or build something interesting or just, yeah.

1:14:50 That is absolutely how the best friendships work. There are great friendships about nothing. If you are friends because you went to college or you're friends because you are interested in the same kinds of music or you're friends because you like to cook or you're friends because you were in the military. Those are not good reasons to be friends. The good reasons to be friends are just we just like being around each other and we just get along. And it shouldn't be too specific. Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. Are there any fans of handwritten notes over here? I've been noticing that when I want to do some written mindfulness, handwriting seems to be much more relaxing, kind of stimulating than writing on my computer. I haven't really taken handwritten notes seriously yet, but this is introducing its value to me. It's pretty interesting. What do you all think? By the way, did you notice that when the Apple was releasing, was it this week, Monday, these new up-and-coming features, one of them was the handwriting, which it will improve if your handwriting is personalised handwriting, and must be also the option that when you type something, it will convert it into handwriting. That looks pretty cool. So yeah, handwriting might be the one doing a little bit of a comeback, but not in a way that you're actually using the pencil.

1:16:03 Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. So it is something, but it is nothing for you till you get your answers that will satisfy you, right? First there was nothing, and then there was something and after a while it becomes the same. The circle closes, comes back to the starting point. So was there something? Was something created? Was there something in the first place? Or was it all at once already there? No thing, thing, nothing. Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. And if you watch the video, there are so many things in that one. Well, it's in Mississippi 1870, and you see it's a little bit of a Merkley crew together doing things which may not happen at that time. Well, Boichos at least may not be there. And then you also see that there's this one person doing some things with a lot of people. I'm not giving all the spoilers here, but you probably don't see it at your first look because there's so much going on.

1:17:13 But then you start to see if you look it over and over again, you watch it again, and you see that he's doing consistently something over the clip, the video, the music, and there's a storyline there, which then at the end will reveal what's going on and people wake up. how long likes will be a premium feature. Now you can still like, but they will be public again. And now, because a lot of people been doing a lot of liking, they didn't want to do publicly, this is a treasure to be monetized a little bit later. Would you unlike all the likes you did? Yeah, you. Well, not really you, but somebody. A lot of people, at least, according to Elon Musk's graph, started to like things they didn't want other people to see. So here's your compromise. But if you happen to like something, you don't want anybody else to see. There were even bots. I think even Naval account had one. Not by Naval, but somebody else. Whenever there was a like, there was a tweet. So that's how it's also been publicly made visible everything you do there. As in, this is what it should show if you tap on the middle one.

1:18:22 I've noticed the image picker, the embedded one, doesn't work anymore. In this latest build, I need to use the other one, the older one, which makes the pop-up model. Then you have the full place to pick your photos. Another thing to report about this posting, I hate it when it offers always the username thing first. And when you want to put a link, it's in the wrong place. And it takes time, and it's sometimes confusing. it just feels off that it's like pushing you, forcing you to tag some usernames when you just want to add a link. It's funny what you say about X. I had the same re-realization recently and I deleted X off my phone. It's just too much news, too much anger, too much hatred, too much vitriol and it just will suck you in. It's designed to suck you in now. I've stopped using most of the other places. They just haven't managed to put up the network effect. People are discarded and a lot people haven't posted in any other place. So X it is. But like you said, for you, sometimes I find it useful, but most of the time I just stay away from there. It's just lists. And if you can read your lists properly, the experience is decent. But you do it in a sniper way. You go in, you check the lists, and then you go away. And in any circumstances, unless you specifically want to do it, you do not call the for you. And you always check whether the for you is the place where you are, because it always tries to put it on. Well, Colby, think about it. On Twitter, I probably would have met you, and we would have bypassed each other, and we would never have known each other. It's purely because of this place that I get to know the awesomeness of Colby, the drive, the intensity, the focus, and the passion. Only because of this place. If we met anywhere else, chances of us meeting and getting to know each other, very slim. It's a unique, unique experience.

1:20:12 Don't forget the voice of Colby, you know, the philosophical thoughts, the chuckles, the laughs, that's part of it, and you're missing it all on Twitter. Sips, I really appreciate that, man. You know, I don't really often talk about my little sob story or why I try to invoke kindness, but I'll tell you why it's so important to me. You know, in the hacking community and cybersecurity in general, you've got a whole lot of almost like I refer to them like they're like the metal guitar elitist that think that, you know, their type of metal is the best metal and they know it all. And it's a forbidden knowledge that nobody else should ever be allowed to learn, know, or understand. And, you know, when I first came in, it was real, real hard to connect with different people from the hacking community. Now that's since changed. I've met a lot of really awesome people in cybersecurity and no shade on them. But, You know, it's definitely a community that where you've got a whole lot of elitism and a whole lot of people that want to, you know, kind of tuck away and hide their the things that they've learned and knowledge.

1:21:14 And I absolutely despise that on a cellular level. And so my goal here, again, I want everybody to feel like this stuff is important, like they should at least know a little bit of cybersecurity. Like they don't have to have, again, some CS degree or read a white paper, although I absolutely advocate. I think that's great to learn that. But I want everybody to feel welcome and I want everybody to – it's high time we started getting people interested. And we don't have to act like we know it all. That whole tough guy act doesn't really get too far with me. And I'm here to teach, learn, and I'm really awesome. I'm really glad that there's people like you here, Sips. You're such a kind soul. And all the people here that have said such kind words and been supportive, that's what is so great about this app is we have the ability to have these conversations. And you're not going to have this kind of atmosphere on Twitter, on cybersecurity or tech Twitter or even in so many of the hacking forums.

1:22:13 It's just people can be real mean to each other. I don't think that's a state secret. But I do think this particular application has given us a chance to talk one-to-one as humans or one-to-many. And it's just such a really great thing. And I'm really glad people like you were here, Sips, and the kind words are always appreciated. But really and truly, you guys have made me the lucky one to just be able to have a place to talk about cybersecurity and what my passion and what I've dedicated my life to. There's not too many channels where I can talk about security. And I understand this is not a topic for everybody, although I would love to make it that way. I'd love to reset that standard in this community that you can come from all walks of life, and you can come in and learn something that will keep you safe, keep you protected. And I'm just very happy for it. I think we're all better off for this application and for this channel. And that's my goal here, and it's not possible without all you guys.

1:23:04 So thank you, Sips. You know, Garrett, this is the thing. This is the thing. And I wish I could bottle this and give it to every new person that comes in and be like, guys, we have a chance to revolutionize how people engage online and the types of connections you can have online. This is insane. Why would you want some cheap ass multiple, like your thing is viewed by millions of people, but you're connecting to no one and you're constantly scared that they're going to judge you. And then you've got this place here where we have a fantastic opportunity to connect. And it has allowed so many people to collect at deep levels. And you don't want to dedicate some time to actually talk to people you prefer to broadcast. I mean, man, I wish I could just like bottle it and say, feel this. This is something and it needs your support so that you are creating the world you want to live in.

1:23:55 I want to live in a world like this where you can have people challenge you, where you can have people talk to you about different things. But there's still that down to earth kindness. It's a revolution. I'm hoping to make soldiers out of this place, man. Soldiers of kindness. But yeah, it's a pleasure, brother. It's a pleasure. I love it. Okay, that's very persuasive. I wasn't even familiar with that. That's how kind of removed I've been from all the wife singing. She was. Because I'm kind of a bit anti-iPad, I've not looked at new updates, but that one sounds very tantalizing. I'll have to get myself at the ready before I go and check that out because I am known to be a bit impulsive when it comes to gadgets. And yeah, I've often had all the gear and no idea as well.

1:24:45 So I'll check it out. Thank you, Naval. I was very skeptic of the iPad Pro. I initially bought it just for reading and casual things. But then I realized that with the keyboard, it is a killer. And I don't look at my MacBook anymore. I don't need it anymore. It does most of the things that I need to do. So I do almost everything I do with iPad. I do have another computer then, but it's a desktop, so iMac for the rest of the things. But for travel, I refuse to take a MacBook, A or Pro, but not anymore. It's just iPad and I do everything with that. So that's another angle if you need to rationalize the price. Yeah, I've tested that out, and that's feasible. But, you know, I've got a device that I can have 100,000 notes on and synced to my desktop.

1:25:35 And the way I see it, it's my replacement notepad. And, yeah, it's a device that I want, that I find useful, that I value a lot. So it's a good way to avoid getting one, and I think that's the first step. how do I not need this? And I think that's a big mistake people make sometimes, and I certainly don't want anybody to make it. I've got a specific use case, and I have had more than the value of the device out of it already. And both, I say both, my two friends that bought one couldn't live without it, and that's their take on it, because they use it for business, travelling, they're not having to take multiple. You can condense the notes, you can delete them, you can refine them.

1:26:23 yeah well i'm certainly not trying to sell it and i'm not i'm not an affiliate to remarkable so i'm certainly not trying to justify people buying one i think you should try and find the reasons to not buy one first and then if there's still good reason to buy one buy one and enjoy it it's very expensive but i do like the new ipad pro m4 that with a nanotexture display unfortunately apple only sells a nanotexture display on the one terabyte version up so it gets pricey fast but the nanotexture display is fantastic. It's a matte display, not a glossy, so you can read it in direct sunlight. The texture is improved for writing with the pencil. It does scratch easily, so you got to be a little careful, but the new Apple Pencil Pro is phenomenal. Drawing on that screen is really nice. Writing on it is really nice. With the new calculator, they announced, we can just do math as you write. It's nice. It does handwriting to text very nicely, and reading on it is absolutely fantastic, and it's nice and thin. So I haven't used a remarkable. I'm generally skeptical of these point devices. I just don't want nothing to sync, carry, charge, etc. So I'd like to do everything all in one device, and the iPad Pro Nano Texture does that quite well. I hope they'll make it cheaper and more down market and have it percolate down to the rest of the line eventually. I'm not a handwriting guy, but when I really want to explore and understand something, then I like sketching, and for that I miss whiteboards. But it's kind of strange to have a whiteboard in your house. I guess just do it anyway. But what I'll do is I'll take my Apple Pencil and just sketch on my iPad, and that's the next closest thing I get to. Although the iPad really isn't large enough to give you the same sense of freedom and exploration as a whiteboard.

1:27:47 How about drawing on windows? It looks so cool in movies and TV series. Well, if they are secrets, maybe not the best place to do it, but hey, then you don't have an ugly whiteboard in your house. Here's some people that I think you would enjoy following, Stephen. Priyatta, Petri, Sips, Naval, Kamal, Bretnie, Sai, Sage, Colby, Priyanka, Alex, Unity, Howdy, Beverly, Bishop, Sarah, Prasik, Shivangi, Parsa, Neeraj, Kenzie, Shell, Juan, Rebecca, Howdy, Money, and yeah, other people. A lot of awesome people. You'll see. Stedman, welcome. Sweet potato pie ventures. You have to tell me more. That sounds so fun and intriguing. And Firebird, wow. Such a pleasure and honor to be on the list of great people. Sweet. I need to check out Martin's project in that case. See what it is all about. In regards to the AGI, regardless we are headed towards the AGI or DOOM situation or not, we need to have a foundation, a logical foundation in place for the AI in general.

1:28:50 It reminds me of the IJAC Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, which lays out the foundation of how a robot needs to behave and not destroy the humanity in general. I think some things like those, if those logical foundations are in place, regardless of what the outcome is, AGI or not AGI, we may still survive as humanity. actually what asimov's three laws of robotics are all about is that you cannot have simple laws that don't contradict each other so he's always interplaying how law three conflicts with law two conflicts with law one and then later they add law four which is complete garbage which says have to do what's best for all of humanity and that just opens a pandora's box into letting the robots do whatever they want so if you have something that is truly generally intelligent and creative you cannot constrain it because all creativity interconnects everything to each other Well hello besties, time for your a simultaneous sip, a ripper, a dripper, a trip to the beach.

1:29:51 I'll show you up behind me. Hey, thank you everyone for all the birth services. I figured I'd pop my head in the sun, get my head out of the ocean. Kamal, I'm still doing my love myself. A thousand of them today, and that's like 15 minutes. Yeah, I love you all. I figured I'd pop out of the DMs for a little bit, say hi to the besties, Serby, who taught me grace and to appreciate the little things. Pranku, who taught me to look at life as art and how much is possible and how wonderful the world can be. Sipiwe, for teaching me the grace of consistent love. And I have to tell you, a very Christian manner, which I'm never going to be Christian, but I'm coming around to the unity of it all. Speaking of unity, Unity Eagle, man, I love you and thank you so much for everything. It's absolutely incredible. Avan Wen, I really appreciate it. I'm not going to come back. I'll maybe sing a song every once in a while. I turned 50 today. I flipped a quarter twice, hoping to get to one more corridor for my kids. The guy formerly known as Baguette, I love you. This Lisa Light J girl, I think, is amazing. I've died several times myself, and I love everything about your whole thing, and I am from Boston, Faith and Magada. I'm not Irish, though, although that's a long story. Anyway, I love you, besties. I miss you. I know you're serving each other. Yeah, just, you serve each other. Everyone starts serving each other. Life is absolutely wonderful, and it's a safe place. And, uh, Ooh, Brittany, my face ripper who always tells the truth. Um, you know, you're not that nice if every once in a while you don't actually just rip a little bit of a face off. Right. Um, Brian Norgaard for not losing track of me and, uh, not giving up on me. And I, I love you, man. Um, we'll see about this short term big coin action daily. One of us is right at each other. Um, yeah, all the besties, anyone I'm missing. I'm really, really sorry, but I love you all. Um, yeah, catch you chat, baby. Top of the morning and the rest of the day for me. Like.

1:31:32 Okay, so the remarkable two, I don't use it personally for reading, but you can use it for reading. You can upload PDFs, and I have a couple of PDFs on there that I use that have got stickman drawings and stuff that I look at and get inspiration from, how to position them sometimes. Doodles, to me, is just basically when I'm starting meetings or something like that, I'll get a pad and I'll kind of, I won't take notes, but I might draw a little picture or just a stickman drawing or something that helps me recall an important aspect of the meeting, or I might just make a series of doodles, a little bit like mind mapping, but I'm not kind of actively trying to map things out like that. I'm just drawing things on paper.

1:32:19 It's just like an association where I use it. When I reflect back, I can generally talk about the doodle, the picture, and recall the conversation. So it's just a form of reminding me of something. I hope that's a little bit clearer. About abonement, I couldn't understand what you meant by that. It comes standalone. I think it comes with a pen, and you can buy a folder for it. I bought a leather folder for it. Yeah, I mean, any more questions, please feel free. I've never been asked to describe a doodle before, So I'm kind of like, is this the best way to describe it? And, you know, how do I explain it? But, you know, in general, a doodle to me is something where I just, my hand's working and it's putting something together.

1:33:10 And then, you know, I'll look at it and think, okay, I can turn that into something a little bit better, more refined. And there was another thing you mentioned about conveying information. When I draw something and put it with a post, there's, they're meant to. marry with each other, to be able to be reconciled in a certain way. The picture should offer something to the words and vice versa. That's how I kind of use it. Sometimes I can be more abstract with that, but again, a question can soon bring that out. And yeah, I hope that's useful. And prior to beginning, I love that. I love that. That's where I like to be. I come to think of this now from the LLM perspective and machine learning advances in the last years. There's also the option to just grab any piece of paper you have around you and draw your doodles, then take a picture.

1:34:03 Probably you will find some way to make it as vector graphics and recognize all the text and pictures and all these things. Maybe Apple does it automatically with Nodes with the new iOS version. I haven't tested, but that could be even the case. So you can get the real paper feel without having a separate device. Yeah, I've tested that out, and that's feasible. But, you know, I've got a device that I can have 100,000 notes on and synced to my desktop. And the way I see it, it's my replacement notepad. And, yeah, it's a device that I want, that I find useful, that I value a lot. So it's a good way to avoid getting one, and I think that's the first step.

1:34:51 how do I not need this? And I think that's a big mistake people make sometimes, and I certainly don't want anybody to make it. I've got a specific use case, and I have had more than the value of the device out of it already. And both, I say both, my two friends that bought one couldn't live without it, and that's their take on it, because they use it for business, traveling, they're not having to take multiple. You can condense the notes, you can delete them, you can refine them. yeah well I'm certainly not trying to sell it and I'm not I'm not an affiliate to Remarkable so I'm certainly not trying to justify people buying one I think you should try and find the reasons to not buy one first and then if there's still good reason to buy one buy one and enjoy it yes the other the one that we use it's called trusted house sitters and you find house sits in different places, but mostly the US, Canada, Europe, and sometimes other countries here and there. And it's really good. We've had amazing experiences with them, really nice people.

1:35:56 And it's a nice experience for people who like pets, because it makes you feel like home. And like we sometimes remember our trips associated with the pet we were taking care of. So that makes things easier. Of course, there's pets that are more easy than others. And a lot of places don't take kids. But we have found like really nice people and nice experiences. We've had nice experiences. So there's another one that it's mostly in France called Nomador. Also, that one's good, I think, but I've never used it. But yeah, if you ever want to house it, trusted house hitters, it's a very good option. I know some people have been successfully using it for years, they are practically living around the different places in Europe, from Switzerland to Italy, France, and having amazing houses and places to be, and the people are also really nice, so I think it's just a matter of picking and choosing what you like, and then you can become friends with the owners as well, and it becomes more than just sitting houses, it can be part of your lifestyle. Yes, definitely. We have friends also that do that, basically spend like more than half of the year house-sitting different pets over different, like Europe mostly.

1:37:15 And also Australia and New Zealand, there are a lot of options there also. And it's, yeah, it becomes like a lifestyle. And some of the sets are pretty long, like a month or three weeks. So then they go to one country and then start moving from one to the other. The places we've done it, it's been in Europe and in the US, and it works pretty well. And we have met really amazing people, amazing hosts. And that's really fun because you can become friends or really get to know a different side of the city because they show it to you or have a dinner together. Or, you know, just little details between the host and the guest. Yeah, I really love it. And for us, it's super fun because it does feel like a responsibility, but pretty much more like a place where you can connect and also connect with the pet and connect with the owners.

1:38:08 Are these vanity links going to be rolled out for regular users? Because I think that would be a really nice way of sharing some of the chits or threats later on and have maybe a little bit of a permanence or at least audible way of sharing links. Hi, everybody. How's your day going? Saying hi for the first time from New York City. I am going to a piano lesson tonight for the first time in I don't even know how long. I grew up playing the piano but kind of lost touch with it over the past decade. Every once in a while, if I'm near a piano, I'll play, but I'm not committed to a routine of any sort. Whereas when I was a child, it was a daily occurrence. And yeah, I find it's very rewarding to sit down at a piano and just be in flow state and focus for however long you're playing. And I also find that the one piece that I can still play by memory, so much of it is just muscle memory. Like I'm not actively thinking about it.

1:38:58 And it simultaneously also brings back a lot of childhood memories that I have whenever I play. It's like, who was it? Marcel Proust talking about smelling the Madelins and thinking about that time he had tea with his grandmother. Every time I play the piano, I feel like I'm back in the body of my seven-year-old self. And I can almost smell that wooden scent of the piano practice room that I was in when I was in elementary school. Welcome to Headchat. Wow. I would love to hear some piano play here. Currently, it might be a little bit difficult. You have to probably push the recording button with your nose or toe or some other means of ways. I know it has been done, even playing guitar. But anyways, keep on practicing and welcome to Headchat. Oh my God. Just talk. That's what we do. We do talking. whereas kind of talking all kinds of talking funny talking serious talking deep talking tech talking meme talking just talk did you ever go to an interview and end up with a wife for me it was the day i turned exactly 20 years old it was for a student position which i got and a few months later i kissed the interviewer and now we've been together for 11 years what is your best interview ever. Wow Erwin, what do I entranced to airchat? Welcome. Well that's an interview, it's really hard if it's even possible to beat it so I just wish you enjoy your stay here on airchat.

1:40:28 It's confusing. I said seance, the correcteur said it was seance. I think Juan says it's seance. So, who knows? Maybe we should get, what do they call them, them elocution teachers on here, to teach us the correct pronunciation. Yesterday I was puzzled with Karma Chameleon by Culture Club, and I heard there was a contradiction. Well, that's one of the words in the lyrics, but it was pronounced or sang as a contradiction. I was like, what's going on here? So for some reason, my air chat has defaulted to one speed. And all of a sudden, I started hearing people speak at one speed and thought, whoa, what's going on? They're talking really slow. And I don't think I've ever used that setting.

1:41:17 So it was surreal. And I'm going to listen to myself at one speed now. But I recommend anybody that hasn't done it, I don't know whether I'm the only one that does do that or whatever, but anybody that's been used to just doing speed two, try speed one. Listen to people that you normally listen to, that you've got used to, that your brain's got used to tracking at that speed. And then listen to it slow down. Is the name for this thing, or is it called now, air chat effect, when you realize that you're talking really slowly? Because everything you have heard is in 3x or 2x. And intuitively you start to talk also faster, because that's the way you're hearing everything. And it's so funny. I put it in the previous air chat, maybe a year ago, that some of the podcasts I've been listening, They had this jingle on the intratongue going, and I never heard it before. You know, original Monix, and I didn't like it. Because what you described just happened, and I was like, what is this song? This doesn't sound proper. I didn't get the impression that Apple is handing all your data to OpenAI. There are these different layers. First it does its thing, and then if it doesn't think it can give you a proper answer, then it will ask you to use some alternative. LLM first is the OpenAI. And it's your choice whether you want to hand over something. And I think they will sanitize something. But it's just based on the impression what I got from the release presentation.

1:42:37 Yeah, he is insightful. Maybe everyone agrees. He did post another tweet further down that thread. There was a guy talking about how it was probably algorithmic driven trading, which maybe caused a spike. So yeah, I guess we'll probably never know the ultimate reason. But certainly, if you hold stock, it's good. Do you ever feel like you're running out of time? Lars is playing out of time. Happy birthday, Sips. Mix three of us. Feliz cumpleaños, Juan Pablo. Happy birthday, Beverly. What happens when you don't take selfies and post and check your Insta stories? Maybe most people don't care about this, but I want end-to-end encryption like WhatsApp has and Signal has. Signal has. I want disappearing messages. I think that one's really important, but I guess I'm more of a security freak. I also want much better group messaging, including with people who are on Android, which I guess iMessage just can't do. So I'm not excited. I mean, tap back emojis, big deal.

1:43:36 Scheduling, big deal. Don't care. Don't really see the hoo-ha. I'm more concerned of the metadata leaks coming from Signal and WhatsApp nowadays, especially WhatsApp and those which are targeted. And Apple is also part of that one. It used to be with iCloud backup, which was not encrypted per default. But if you want an advanced one, I'm too. So that might make it more complex and maybe it's turned on default. But I think that's the hardest thing on encryption. And maybe Simple Access is trying to do something on that one. But I don't know. Is there any third-party messengers who is not leaking any metadata and cannot be identified to anyone? And there's no phone numbers or anything when you sign up. This is one way to see Apple's approach, the smartness of it. But it's been a long time coming with the M-Series processors, also the privacy first approach. So they're just putting things together.

1:44:30 But also the simulator, starting to run your iPhone on Mac. It's, I think, part of the process where the LLM can take over many, if not all, of the processes at one point and start to operate the third-party apps and also the iOS. more deeply at more core level. Now I think the initial steps is the Amazon's Alexa type of Apple intents. I think the reason probably will go way deeper in the years to come. For example, even though Apple has auctioned off the Google search default in Safari for quite a while, but the default search engine and Google pays for it, they still don't pay market rate because they've got a essential de facto monopoly. No other search engine can even compete. No one else can afford to pay what Google pays and part of that is because the Google product is the best and partially it's the best because most people use it. So there does end up being a virtual circle in technology cycles where the early winner becomes the entrenched winner and I think OpenAI has that opportunity on top of Apple's iOS. Here's a link where they talk about the foundational model and also how you can opt out of the training data. If they would be using OpenAI, I'm not sure they could claim these type of things. Happy birthday, Juan.

1:45:36 this is one of the most touching short films i've seen probably ever um it features riva tez and her really elderly friend and it's just such a wholesome watch i highly recommend you watch it thank you brett uh i think uh i'm definitely at fault too uh i could have formatted the tweet well or used quotation marks instead of the colon that I used. But yeah, good learning for everybody. While we are, did this crack me up? A further public apology here to my friend Arjun on AirChat. I did it once on Twitter. I'm doing it again here. And I'm leaving all of my tweets up there because I think in this thread, it's useful for people to understand the issues here that are being talked about, in particular what Richard Dawkins is talking about when it comes to the selfish meme idea, not the selfish gene idea, and how it applies to humans, and the distinction here that we make between genes and memes. And moreover, what Popper says, it is impossible to speak in such a way as to not be misunderstood. And how it is, I misunderstood what Arjun was saying. And so I'm leaving it all there for posterity, because I think it's useful. Anyway, I would encourage people here to perhaps have a read of that thread. It's just really interesting how I got wrong what Arjun was saying. I think it's understandable in context. And almost all of the replies also misunderstood what Arjun was saying. This is a problem with Twitter, among other things.

1:47:10 And we can sort it out right here on air chat because I can make it clear who I'm quoting. And it's obvious in context what Arjun was saying. And it's obvious in context, I think, how I got it wrong. Anyways, I recommend the interesting thread, all of it, for people who We're interested in how misunderstandings can happen and can work. But hey, this is all a game of learning, and it's fun. Good morning. Good morning, Chess. Happy birthday, Juan. One can always trust Petri to put you on blast. But yeah, man, thank you, brother. uh seep away happy birthday to you my cat joined in on singing that there you go he says happy birthday too hope you are having an amazing day an amazing celebration a great day and make it an epic year yeah happy birthday seeps oh my gosh i don't know if um are you on android i feel like mine well not i feel like i just tested it out. So I did the long pause. It doesn't let me remove a URL and it also doesn't let me paste over it because it says there's already a URL. So for me right now, it seems like the only thing I could do would be to delete the post and then remake it. So I don't know. Is yours letting you? I feel like I made sure my app was up to date. I am on iPhone, which I'm pretty sure you are too. So maybe I'm just doing it wrong. If you're able to attach a screenshot of where I can do that, that would be most appreciated. But also I just appreciate you trying to help me out anyway.

1:48:51 So I appreciate you. Thank you, Patrick. Thank you. There's a tiny bug. So when you put a new link on an existing site which has already in URL once in a while, maybe once in a blue moon, at least once already while testing, it says that there's already a link in there. And what happens, it's there. It's existing. It has updated. But your view doesn't show it. So you have to go away and come back. And then you will see that it's there. But the rest of the people will see that it has changed. So if it says that, hey, there's already a link there or it's updated or whatnot, it works. So that's the way to do it. for nothing and take this for free. Hey Josh, I've been following some of what you're saying and I found it very useful, thoughtful and what I would add here in this in regards to your particular question is in my experience the paradox is to learn fast you have to start slow and that's where the broader understanding can come from and also what you touched on previously about function, think it was something in function or um you know having a how i would kind of interpret it would be an intellectual knowledge versus practical knowledge rather than um into intellectual knowledge being able being turned into something practical practically useful that's effective um and that to me is very important and a lot of people that seem to be able to learn very fast don't get the second part right and be able to convert that into practical knowledge and as a result can talk a good game.

1:50:25 Just some thoughts. Reminds me of a quote by the late Brian Clough, the ex-Nottingham Forest manager. And he said, we had a good team on paper, but unfortunately the game was played on grass. When I first saw that, I just absolutely loved it. And I think there's so much in that. happy birthday chips Elon is going nuts over this idea that OpenAI is going to get all your data through your iPhone, is that true? it looks like even community notes kind of fact checked him which is funny, but there must be something to it he seems to be all in on this concept this is one way to see Apple's approach, the smartness of it but it's been a long time coming with the MC series processors also the privacy first approach. So they're just putting things together, but also the simulator starting to run your iPhone on Mac. It's, I think, part of the process where the LLM can take over many, if not all of the processes at one point and start to operate the third-party apps and also the iOS more deeply at more core level. Now, I think the initial steps is the Amazon's Alexa type of Apple intents.

1:51:42 I think the reason probably will go way deeper in the years to come. I absolutely agree. There are far too many shopping places, and there are far too few third places that are truly meant for mingling. I think it's a business model issue, frankly. People don't want to pay a subscription fee, and that also excludes members of the community. Most items can't support frequent shopping or a high enough price point to be worthwhile. And the closest we had to these magical third places were bookstore cafes. And then Amazon and the internet, I'm not blaming Amazon in particular. If it wasn't Amazon, it would have been another store online. But just the internet took out the bookstore model. So books and coffee used to go together in this magical combo. And now we have to replace it with something else. And the question is, what is that something else? Here's a snapshot from yesterday. So you'll see that there are really peculiar shapes and forms in that building. I made something for my wife, which she is going to like. And I think you are going to like too, AirChat, because it will allow her to sing and use her guitar at the same time.

1:52:34 And this is an AirChat hack. So check out my picture. It's a button holder downer. It's amazing when you're sometimes you're just in awe of your own brother. Can you remember who you were before the world told you who you should be? Three of those you can fix with the dynamic mic. You have to find something else for somebody on the door. Just a quick follow-up question. Do you have any recommendation about dynamic mics that can be used also, which is relatively small, that you can take any place you go? Not that you have to be at home for a busy day. That would be a great option. Here's the quick YouTube video I found. These are just random.

1:53:22 I haven't tested. I don't know whether these work. I have no idea. They existed 10 minutes ago. So check them out if they are of interest. But test them out first. This was released just 24 hours ago. The great Barry Weiss with Javier Millay. And if you skip to 15 minutes 30, 16 minutes, something like that, if you can't find time to watch the entire thing, then what you'll find is Javier Millay talking about wanting to turn Argentina into one of the great AI hubs of the world. But unlike Europe, which is heavily regulated, unlike China, where we don't know what they're doing, and unlike the United States, which is in a gray area at the moment, he wants to remove all regulations and just allow AI to flourish. So this is exciting. See what he has to say. As I say, skip forward to somewhere around 15 minutes, 15 minutes 30. I've never understood the psychology around celebrating your birthday in an extravagant manner.

1:54:11 In fact, it always made more sense to me to celebrate your mother on your birthday than yourself. Am I crazy? Yes, I conned myself, caught myself in the con. Yes, I've considered it only after thinking about posting this because now I want to catch my dogs barking or my wife singing or my son playing loud music or the door knocking and continue to test whether it is actually elegant or not. most likely another con. Three of those you can fix with the dynamic mic. You have to find something else for somebody on the door. What would have been nice, Gerrit, is if there were ways that you can, you know, try out different things. Because I think there's different people here.

1:55:02 There's people who are looking for more of the deep technical stuff. And there's people that are just looking for overall cyber health, but don't necessarily want to, you know, understand everything that goes into it. And so for those, you could recommend tools that are easily accessible. And so I think you can split it between the highly technical and the more accessible content. But whatever you come up with, I'm going to enjoy it. So it's not a big deal. My suggestion would just be, like, I wish that there was a notification, first of all. Like, even if it's just a visual prompt or a visual cue to say that there's been a new thing uploaded in a channel. But to then be able to specify maybe at the beginning that this will be technical or whatever. those would be my suggestions. Variety I think is the key. You can test and see what sticks and even the basics can be something everybody can enjoy because they're also always changing so it's not that you will rule out the more technical and those who are more knowledgeable in the space.

1:55:57 You can always skip them if you're not. But I think it's for the growth of the channel and for everybody to enjoy and have a low threshold to get started. It's probably nice to have something for everyone. Then over time you will see what will stick. For example, from the basics, I noticed that somebody targeted my Apple ID. There was a phone call and then came that pop-up, which gives you only two options. Allow, don't allow, to reset your trusted device. And some of these are getting pretty sophisticated. And when it happens on the fly, you're somewhere and you have to respond. And if you do the wrong thing, the consequences can be quite bad. And in some of these cases, you need to do something beforehand for that first case game area not to happen. So I think there's a lot of things which are really difficult to keep up if you're not active on the dual space. And I agree with it. I think if you make it easier for more people to engage with it, it's probably better. But I think it should also be nice to add those segments that are just so beautifully technical that we can enjoy that. I consider myself a privacy maximalist. And in all the things that I'm thinking of building, I'm constantly thinking about privacy and having people have only tools. And one of the things that I'm passionate about solving next, as soon as I'm finished with this project that I'm working on currently, is phone calls.

1:57:10 It should not be that people who just have your phone number can just call you and waste your time. You kind of have to create a filter system that allows your own AI model to do the pre-filtering. And then once people have been pre-filtered, it's allowed to call you, especially people that are not in your contact list. You should be able to create a system that takes care of pre-vetting people for you. and then once they've passed that, then only can they get to call you. And there's so many things that I would like to add there, so I'm looking forward to getting to build that. And then I've got another one that's completely different, but not in cybersecurity. So I'm excited about the future of people owning their own systems and owning their own way of engaging with the world and being able to protect and wall off certain things that they don't want other people to be a part of. And I'm excited, but I think Gerrit is doing a great job here so far. So if I saw that that was the orientation of a company I'd believe in too, People are asking in that thread, why didn't you stick around to help with the safety concerns?

1:58:09 It's not really being clear about the specific safety concerns. But in that scenario, who'd want to stick around? How can you set up the safety in its core if you don't understand how the thing really works? you can do that after the fact and you can put things after the LLM output and then you can do some checks and things there but then it's some kind of a different level of safety guard rails but is it really something that needs to be done at this point yeah certainly something needs to be done but fundamentally what happens if we accept that we don't understand how it works and the agency is more on the user's end like always with tools how far we can and should go and is there a limit where the innovation is not being allowed because of the safety concerns, which are not concrete and practical and clear enough to do something about it at this stage.

1:59:04 Yeah, in a world where not many seem to want to dig for the truth and are happy with the illusion of knowledge and then add to that all the silly things around protecting people's feelings, etc. It's a minefield. I just wish that we could have AIs that were learning and we got the output of that learning. We got a chance to test for ourselves. Like you said, have the agency. Assume people have got the agency or offer people the opportunity and put some caveats in place where it's not to be relied on, but it can be a useful compadre. Yeah. I don't know.

1:59:51 A crisis of cluttered coffee cups. That's coming up today on Kenzie in the Morning. At this point, I should probably share with you that I shot TV news for 11 and a half years. I was not on camera, but I worked with reporters. And so I got 11 and a half years of deliberate practice of coming up with teases. And then as my voice like ended up evolving into the voice that it is now, and I figured out when I could like actually do like the fun ones like that. Yeah, it's just silly fun. So look, Kenzie, I am here to help narrate your life because from what I've heard here on AirChat, yours is a life worth narrating. So it might not be David Attenborough, but gosh darn it, for the Kenzie fans out there, we're going to let them know what is what in the world of Kenzie. It's Leo's birthday. Happy birthday, Leo. The video reminds me of your chat. Oh my gosh.

2:00:36 Okay. So I think this will get me started. I'm still, I still have some parts of the process left to discover. So I think I'll let you know if I have any questions, but at least this will get me started in the right direction. So, so thank you for, for pointing me and going, Hey, Kenzie, it's that way. And I'll, I'll say, okay. But I'm excited. I'm excited. There's got to be a way. And the most sophisticated one, I guess you've been already trying to do, or maybe you did it already was the shortcut way. probably were following this one or the other one, but that works as well. But I think it's still a little bit too complicated. You don't need that part at all. Because you can just play the audio and do the things without converting just purely for the audio part from the video. You spoke to the universe and things just moved man things just moved. I love you man. I'm coming. I'm coming. It's happening. It's happening. It's I'll be there, man.

2:01:46 Zbignac, Pietri, Stephen Greenberg. Please, man. Show up, man. Who else? So many of my peeps here, man. I'm coming all the way from South Africa. Priyata, come on, dude. Make it happen. You don't even need a visa. You just get on a flight and you come. Boom. You're there. Make it happen. Who else? Madam Dawn. Come on, sister. Show up. I didn't see you in the list. Show up. I am so looking forward to this, man. Firebird let's make it a beautiful time bring all the peeps together whoever can come good morning love you all oh man when you put it like that it's pretty hard to say no but yeah I'm guilty as charged so I was pushing you to go there so hope you enjoy it and you meet all the cool people and you will talk on your chat a little bit and take pictures so This is my RSVP, I will not most likely be there, but you never know. But it seems to be that it's gonna be a blast to spend a night with mosquitoes and yeah, probably a bit more than one night.

2:02:54 See you then, that's gonna be cool. If you don't want to do a screen recording, you can always just take the link and play it in some other device. For example, if you have a computer and just put it out loud. Or if you have a more sophisticated way, you can just route the audio. But anyway, just playing it in the background or next to the loudspeaker or whatever the audio source, that could work as well. Oh my gosh, okay, so... So there's no need to have any video recording, which takes more steps. So cool. See, I'm using an app called Downy, and it takes MP4s, and it also can rip audio and video files. So if there's an MP4, it will bounce it down. And then I just take the MP4 file and then I can send it anywhere. There's also this old software, which is still being updated, called Audacity. It works on Windows, Mac and Linux. And you can just drag and drop stuff in there, or you can open MP4s or whatnot, and you can then save them and you can do a lot of things.

2:03:49 It has also a lot of sound-freezements effects you can do. You can clean up audio, you can take background noises, you can normalize voices, you can combine things. it's well probably there's a little bit of a learning curve in the beginning but it's pretty powerful and you can have plugins as well so that's worth checking out so probably you can do the same thing no you can do the same thing with the audacity you just open it and then you can export it as a mp3 if you like or any other format why don't you just play the audio i mean that the vlc or is it vnc i never remember the name or whichever audio player you can find in windows you can just use it to play or even put it in a browser and it should be playing and you can just ignore the video part. And if you want to do any editing, the same thing, most of the audio editing softwares can take in video even, and they just ignore the video part, and that way you can play the audio if you want to do some fancy stuff. Or you could just play it on your Windows while you're recording the shit, and just start by that. Or you could take the link, and you don't need to do any of that thing, and just start to play it, and push the recording, click the play, and there's your insert for the thing, and then you just do your thing after the playing has been done. And if you're not satisfied, to lift your thumb and do it again. I think the same thing like if we can save a URL as a way to quote tweet then I don't know why we wouldn't be able to copy and paste that URL in the web browser and extract the i/o. That's where I replied in the previous chat. I can link it here so it took the full five to ten seconds to do the thing. Copy the link, paste it in the browser and then start playing.

2:05:14 If you weren't scared of being nothing, would you be something you're not? Or you would be who you are. I see many ways to monetize and try to get premium subscriptions up, but this is something which is rather deceiving. There's no mention that it will not play at a regular speed. Imagine you're using this app and the sound is a little bit off and it's weird and you think it's due to the boardcaster's production quality or something in their show. No, it's the player who's been just setting it to 0.8 because you haven't paid and it doesn't tell you that. What else is it doing without telling you? Oh, it's funny you mentioned Castro. I used to use Castro as well until it went to an annual subscription model and just started getting really difficult about the features, exactly what you encountered. And the thing is, I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks for a good podcast player.

2:06:05 I just don't want to be on a monthly subscription, an annual subscription. I think subscriptions for software are pretty annoying. Here's about the future. This is fantastic, Matt. I was just shopping for mechanical pencils today. I'm all over this. Thank you. It's the little things that kind of make life go smoother. I love little stuff like this. It makes a big difference hearing people's voice. I don't think you can hear anyone's voice on this app. Well, I'm the weird chat. I can hear your voice. And yes, it does make a huge difference when you can hear the person. There are a lot of, I wouldn't say incidents, there are a lot of threats, chits, discussions here where you're reading it and you get a completely different, usually wrong understanding what's going on. And then you have to listen to it and then you get it all, they were joking, all, that was not serious. And the impression is completely different when you flatten it down to pure text.

2:06:56 Yeah, you know, in my experience, and, you know, I'm just kind of off the top of my head. And I would say that text, actually the words that are spoken in a conversation don't account for the, you know, they don't even account for 50% of the meaning. Most of the meaning that someone takes from a conversation is a mix of it's like a multimodal, you know, it's their audio. It's the history that they understand the person that they're, you know, listening to and how they perceive the message coming from that person. And, you know, body language, tone, all of those things. So, yeah, I would argue that words are actually, you know, if you were to count what contributes to conveying the overall meaning, words are just roughly 30%. I mean, I think that's a good number. Then, you know, body language and then, you know, perspective. And maybe you could put other factors in there that would make up to 100% of the meaning. So, you know, it actually, I'm just trying to show that words, you know, they don't actually carry so much towards the meaning, if that makes any sense.

2:08:11 Midnight walk with Paige. It's a warm summer night. No moon at all. And just a few stars. The strip, Las Vegas Strip, way off in the distance is really bright tonight. And you can see the sphere, which is remarkable when you get to actually see it up close. So Paige and I walk. Fortunately, there's a breeze out. And depending on where you are, it goes cooler or warmer. So we cut through the ravines and get lower where it's cooler. We go up higher where it's warmer. And you feel the breeze just change temperature on your forearms. And we pass houses. And once in a while, there'll be a dog in the house. I'll start barking. And each time that happens, Paige just turns, looks at me. That look, can I kill this one? And I just shake my head. And she looks forward, continues walking. A little while later, another house, another dog barking, looks at me. Can I kill this one? I shake my head. you know having a dog like this this breed it's a serious responsibility and a privilege uh they're so intelligent and so capable of you know whatever you want them to do uh the trainer that i got you know i've had professional trainers for her who helped me um train her and who trained me and how to be the right uh handler for her told me like look you you know dogs malinois are a different thing you have to become malinois owner and that's a whole different skill set and one of the most important things is you have to earn their respect otherwise they will always screw with you because they were too smart, you know, like a kid would too. And to earn the respect of a dog like this and the trust of a dog like this to the point where whatever instinct is, she looks at me, should I? And I said, no. And no matter what her deep primal instinct is saying to her, she just continues on with just that deep trust and respect that, hey, I got this. It's my watch.

2:09:45 You just enjoy the smells and life is good. The photo over there, Paige looking down over the strip. She doesn't seem to care much for the lights. She prefers looking at the bunnies and just smelling the smells. Beautiful night. Come on, these are so beautiful entries. They are poetry. And the strip, wow, it looks so bright. Can you see any stars in the sky? Thanks, Petri. Could I see stars last night? Just a few. I don't know what it was. There wasn't a moon out at that time, but there was kind of like a slight haze. It was really like a warm summer night, so you You can just only see a few stars, but sometimes you can see a lot more, and when the moon is out, it's just spectacular. Like when the full moon is out. Good morning, coffee. It's a nice day. Good morning. That looks like a lungo morning.

2:10:36 How do we improve this? Or maybe fill up that espresso so it has as much volume as its friends. Not sure how it's done. It was an open-ended question. I found it on the internet circulating. It's been over many years already. But I think it's somewhat a compromise. And obviously tea lovers and coffee lovers equally can be unhappy about it. It's a good effort. Nothing about that. But if you go a little bit more into the details, you'll notice that it's probably exactly like that. So I just wonder whether it could be a good discussion topic, how to make it more accurate or what's irritating in the picture. Hello, Fernando. Yes, this is the place to talk. I hope this is the most famous and brilliant network for the Brazilians. I remember there was Orkut many years ago and it became so widely popular in Brazil. So maybe AirChat will be that one.

2:11:23 So, I'm going to be able to get started. Well, it's rather easy to remember Orkut because it has a particular funny connotation in Finnish language, and if you want to find it out, you may want to check it yourself. I will keep this, well, let's put it this way, this is for all the audiences at this point, so you already get an idea. But yes, I've seen quite many Brazilians here already, so I'm looking forward to lively discussions. Good air chat, everyone. Here's your drop of coffee of the day.

2:12:21 Hey Unity, happy to serve you the digital coffee. whenever you need. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing? I've seen many ways to monetize and try to get premium subscriptions up but this is something which is rather deceiving. There's no mention that it will not play at a regular speed. Imagine you using this app and the sound is a little bit off and it's weird and you think it's due to the podcaster's production quality or something in their show. No, it's the player who's been just setting it to 0.8, because you haven't paid and it doesn't tell you that. What else is it doing without telling you? Speak like "hello, I am in Ottawa" so it would write it. Hello and welcome to AirChat.

2:13:14 Thank you very much, I was just teaching my friend how to use AirChat, so I wrote it by mistake. What? Would your 12-year-old self be happy with who you are today? No. This is the longest shit I've seen without any paragraphs. And yes, it's worth listening, but I have to admit I haven't done it yet, and I haven't read it. Well, for obvious reasons, maybe there's something you can do to make it more pleasant.

2:14:08 And, Maxim, you can lift your finger and do another one, and that makes it more easier to other people to reply to particular sections of your shit, and also make it more digestible if you want to do it in pieces. Just an open point, I would be interested to get everybody's opinion. Do you find when listening to the air chats themselves that you read it quicker, and therefore want to increase the speed, or do you listen independently to reading at the same time? What do you guys do? Most of the time I'm reading because it's faster, and the speed is too slow for me. But in some occasions when I feel that transcription is not correct, or the message is more important than I'm doing something else, Then I switch to audio or I know the person and I want to listen to the particular shit or the discussion. But yes, usually it's reading because it's just fast. Oh my god, how I miss Fergie of the Black Eyed Peas. Hello everyone.

2:15:12 Hello Danny, welcome to AirChat. Yeah, start talking. I want to interact with Brazilians, ok? Let's go guys! there was my own self who was observing how far I would fall or how high I would ascend.

2:16:19 A battle has now begun. Perhaps it had started even before I knew of its existence. Perhaps I was not conscious. That was beautiful. Thank you for that and welcome to AirChat. There are book groups and there are also a lot of interesting discussions where people are even telling bedtime stories. So I'm sure you will find a lot of exciting conversations here. Hello world. World hello. Was that a reverse echo? Welcome to AirChat. 456. Welcome to AirChat. I'm still figuring out the social media, so hello world. Hello, Victor. Yes, we are also still figuring out social media. Everybody is. I don't think we're done. Are we ever done with social media? It just keeps on changing, and hopefully it's getting better, but that's for us to see, and maybe we need to build better tools as well, and this is one of them.

2:17:09 So hello world, welcome to Airdset, and hello Victor's world. Third thought on AirCAD. Since this is primarily audio platform, I worry that there's not going to be memes in here, which is a big part of the content-consuming platform, right? Or maybe somewhere in the future we'll see an audio-based meme. Not sure. But yeah, no memes equals that. Welcome to AirChat. You already have a lot of experiences and thoughts about AirChat. That's a good thing. Yes, there are memes. There are even memes channels. And you mentioned that you don't have many followers. Nobody has when they join. so you can check those groups, discussions, topics, and you will find a lot of interesting people to follow. And reply to those things will also bring you more people to awareness that you're on this platform, which may yield into new followers.

2:18:09 Welcome, Gabriel. I have some good news and a little bit not so good news. Well, the good news is that you're in a brilliant place to talk and have fun and enjoy. And the name of the place is AirChat. And the not so good news is that you're not the first Brazilian, but the better news is that you're not the last one either. Fernando just joined. And my guess is that, well, you have to figure it out yourself. Maybe talk to Fernando directly and you can figure out who was first. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, it's really nice to do good. But first you have to know what is good in that situation. that might be in some cases really tricky and you have to go down deep rabbit holes. Good day to you. And yes, indeed, it is a good day. It's always a good day, at least for some people, but maybe for all the people, it's just a matter of perspective.

2:18:59 But anyways, welcome to E-Chat. Hello, Fernando. Yes, this is the place to talk. I hope this is the most famous and brilliant network for the Brazilians. I remember there was Orgut many years ago and it became so widely popular in Brazil. So maybe AirChat will be that one. you after and then you can start talking and replying and have a lot of fun here.

2:20:03 Hello, hello. How's everyone? Say hi back. I'm new here. Well, hello, hello. It's about time. So how are you doing? I've always been so curious about time, so maybe finally we can get some answers here. Welcome, Christopher. Yes, you can speak any language you like and it will be at the moment transcribed into English so anybody can communicate with you. We don't know what intuition is exactly, but it's not a random guess, and people should pay attention to their intuitions. You can have an intuition about a person on your first meet, and we all do. Is this person a helpful, cooperative interlocutor? Is this person not quite so nice? Is this person dangerous? Is this person friendly? And so on it goes. Throughout the day, we have interactions like this with people. And it's based upon intuitions. You might try to articulate something about why you feel uncomfortable with that person or why you in fact might feel comfortable in that person's presence but you won't get to the whole thing you'll say a few things a few remarks oh they looked a bit shifty they they weren't meeting my gaze uh they were uh moving uncomfortably on their feet something like that or on the other hand they were holding my gaze they had a warm and strong handshake they they smiled easily that kind of thing but that still wouldn't capture everything it would just be some clues about why you had an intuition that one person, not particularly nice, and another person was particularly nice. These intuitions are absolutely central to what it means to be a person. It's something that AGI have, and it's something that there's no sign of in any AI system. And there's no sign that making ever larger libraries and ever faster processes and ever more efficient algorithms are going to be able to encode until we have a completely new model of what coding is when it comes to trying to code for this thing that we're calling AGI, a creative system, and what I would argue would be a conscious system as well.

2:21:54 The interplay of memory, pattern recognition, and attention, and all these, how they are bundled into a biological computer, which has all these learned capabilities, how do you ride a bike, and all these things which are happening almost unconsciously within us after we've been training our faculties for these things. And Delex Friedman's latest episode, 430, about human memory, imagination, there's a voodoo and false memories, as the title goes, touches these topics. And it's really fascinating how these non-describable things, we have no words, so we don't know how they work, but they are so much more efficient, so much more deeper, and so much more faster than and any computers we have at the moment.

2:23:09 so many creators fear AI. Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts either way. It's the same old, same old. When photography was invented, paintings and painters were having difficulties of adapting them because, like, who would ever have a painting because now we can have these pictures, and they're so much more detailed and so much better. And yet here we are. And on and on it goes. These are just tools, And the most brilliant ones are playing around with them, finding new ways, and our head off the back. So welcome new Pegasos. Holy shit, dude. I have one. Hats off to you. Two, I'm fucking proud of you. Three, I want to support you in this. DM me. Let's talk. I want to help.

2:23:56 Hey, what's up, you sexy people on AirChat? Today, I have even more options of business cards. Again, would love input. If you have anything to say about it, if you like one, you don't like another one, would love to know. I'm gonna change something with the font. Someone gave me a good recommendation for the font and they've been very adamant about it. So I'm gonna get that implemented and then get a couple of these ordered. I'm gonna do at least two different types. And I have my ideas of what I like, but I would love your ideas of what you like. Top Center is gonna be my choice as well. So I guess you have already the winner based on everybody's vote. How to improve this. What if this life is a sacred responsibility? What if this body of yours is a temple?

2:24:57 What if every motive of yours was pure? What if this feeling were bathed in compassion? What if every word from your lips were true? What if every act was done right? Is not this moment the only moment holy? I have been exploring being offline for the last two weeks and it has been amazing.

2:26:04 My screen time is less than 30 minutes a day. Here's something I wrote for my dad in 2018 when he died of pancreatic cancer. What we think he might have said. I came from a large loving family and lived a fulfilled life. A son, later on two daughters, and my darling wife. I was happy with the little things that sometimes get passed by Like enjoying the last real meal I ate A full and hearty pie Life wasn't always easy As the world is sometimes harsh But my essence stayed intact throughout At heart I was a marsh So now that I have gone away I leave it up to you To take something you've learned from me And make it what you do In each and every family there's always someone you can seek To go to when in dark times That can make things look less bleak finding you that person and nurture what is true as nothing's ever certain but what you have in you the choice to make things better for yourself and others around it doesn't cost a penny will never reach a pound so give yourself out freely never expecting anything back and no matter what the circumstance be sure to have the crack a year or two ago a objectively amazing designer who worked for all the biggest fanciest companies it's a personal friend of mine it's just like how much you want to pay me to just do all this for you and I was like I would love to pay you but I don't believe you love the users and because of that I can't give it to you and he was like very offended um but also I think it's true like I love them because they're me and I know what it's like to be in their shoes and have their feelings and experience what they're experiencing and I want to do my best by them because they are me and it's really lovely when they can feel that software is art in my spare time i've been working on elliptic curve cryptography um i find it really fun for whatever reason to um write programs that sort of center around the basics of bitcoin um and uh it sharpens my programming skills but it also makes you think really uh think about sort of what protects this this and many other cryptocurrencies and it's really a fascinating

2:28:12 series of transformations that are um you know not so hard to understand but they actually teach a ton about math and things like that so i'll kind of go through a little bit of it here my phone might run out of batteries but um i don't know if air chat is meant for this kind of long long long long long form kind of discussion but uh i'll try it anyway so um we all know what integers are um they are uh usually denoted by the letter z um and that actually is from the german for um for number which is uh jalen i think that's the way to say it and so the set z represents all integers So integers are positive, or positive integers in this case. Integers can be negative too. So Z plus is sort of the set of all positive integers. And, you know, think about those numbers as they stretch to infinity and all the way up to maybe something like 2 to the 256th power, which is quite a lot. It's 2 times 2, 256 times.

2:29:02 So 2 to the 5th is 32, et cetera, et cetera. So if you think about those numbers, you know, they're kind of so large, it's hard to fathom. But I think what the fascinating thing about crypto is that it doesn't dawn on people that, in essence, your private key is just an integer and your public key is just an integer. That's something that's really kind of fun and cool because it's, you know, it's just a number. And that's a lot more terrestrial than I think we tend to think. And if you think about all the numbers on Z+, one of those represents, and just knowing that number, represents could be billions of dollars or your savings or whatever. And it's linked to another number, which is supposed to be public. And the other number is supposed to be secret. So they're pairs. They're pairs that seemingly don't have anything to do with each other. So if you look at the number 1 or 2 or 3, the integer pair for those very low integers, close to 0, the start of the number line of Z+, their comparative key pair, the private key, well, that is the private key.

2:30:00 The comparative public key is a 75-digit number, which is kind of wild if you think about it. How do you go from 1 to a 75-digit number? just presumably very, very hard to guess. Maybe even almost impossible. But is it impossible? That's the kind of question I've been thinking about for probably five years. And I'm curious about other people who have thought about it as well. I think you'd be surprised at how many people in the Bitcoin space or in the crypto space don't know a lot about cryptography or math and judging anybody or anything like that. But I found it really fun to think about very deeply. And, you know, if you can think about a problem for years, especially a captivating problem like this, There's a lot of philosophical and, you know, other than just like the technical and mathematical enjoyment, there's a lot of philosophical enjoyment too. And yeah, I'll have more to say on this, but my battery's running out. Hi, everybody. I'm a dinosaur paleontologist. My name is Luis, and I'm quite new at AirShed, and I'm working in a science museum, working in applications of AI, especially in 3D modeling.

2:30:56 And that's it. Hi. Welcome to AirShed, Luis. AI 3D modeling in respect to science museums sounds very intriguing. What is it? What the exhibition is going to be about? What is a fundamental life skill that is underrated? Wei-Wu-wei. Doing things aligned with the DAO and not doing things not aligned with the DAO. In other words, instead of fighting reality constantly and having pitch battles with reality, learning how to understand reality. What is a fundamental life skill that is underrated? Patience. Any guesses what's coming? Ladies and gentlemen, something is coming along for you to see and hear. And it will be coming along on June 5.

2:31:52 We shot a video yesterday talking about how Jerry met Bruce, and it involves Ed Parker, actually. So I think you're really going to enjoy that one. All right, everybody. Time to RSVP to Firebird. June 20th, 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. where Parsons Ranch in Novato, 35 minutes outside of San Francisco. We already have some people coming into town just for this, to connect with our Air Chat family, to meet new people, to learn new things, to share what we're working on, and to enjoy a wonderful day of outdoor activity. At Parsons Ranch, there's a pool. We'll be barbecuing, hiking if you want, mountain biking. And I'll be bringing up Eric Carr, second generation Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do instructor, my teacher, and a student of Jerry Poteet, who was one of Bruce Lee's original elite students. So what's you waiting for?

2:32:42 Click this link, RSVP. And if you have any questions, drop them here. I think it would require them to be extremely irrational. I don't see how they would get away from a naval blockade of China after that and a collapse of the Chinese economy. Also, amphibious invasions are incredibly, incredibly difficult. And I think they're going to get Taiwan anyway through a combination of demographics and pressure over the next generation or two. So it would just require them to be irrational. I think Xi's moves are more explained by just watching how the West has gone after Russia with the sanctions and just making himself sanctions proof while he sets out to support Russia in the war against Ukraine. Much more simply explained. But anyway, we'll know within a month. I haven't paid enough close attention to know about internal politics and the preparedness of Taiwan for the invasion. My understanding is that it's not exactly in the level where it should be due to the seriousness of the threat at the moment.

2:33:37 So also pushing for the nuclear button, could that also happen? And given, for example, what the video clip was stating, that the initial blow would be over in a matter of 31 hours, And it would be probably the next one or whatever the forthcoming exercises China is doing. And it's just this way preparing for the real thing. When is the point to actually push the button as well? That was in the clip too. Because it could be considered as a provocation, even though it's not. Because China is already in that position. But it's a really difficult position also. What will the US and the rest of the world do? And I think this should be stated and decided beforehand. but I guess we will see. It's surprisingly difficult to get conversations started on air chat. You send a message, but it's just very difficult to get someone to respond.

2:34:25 Maybe just because not enough people are seeing the message. What do you think? Any tactics? Any luck to yourself? Channels are also a good way to engage if you have something very specific in mind. But tacking, I'm not sure about that. It's a little bit intrusive, passive-aggressive in some cases, if you assume that people will enjoy something. Sometimes you know them so well that you can do it and they appreciate it, but it can be considered a spam as well. Yeah, I agree. I'm not the biggest fan of being tagged in things. Definitely feels like spam. How to agree with the price. I have a thought or a question about channels. If it's that anyone can create them, but they're not managed, it's basically like a hybrid hashtag. That's awesome. Otherwise, if it is that someone can create them, but also control them in the sense that they can ban users, hide their posts or anything like that, I would strongly recommend limiting the amount of channels someone can create. Here's the reason, and this comes from experience from Reddit and modding communities over there. If you mod more than one community or even a couple of communities, they're all done half-ass and they never go anywhere. But if you're modding one, you take it seriously. So if there are mod controls on these channels, I would strongly recommend, given the experience on Reddit, to limit the amount of channels someone can create. Because I'm noticing some people creating a lot of channels, and I bet you they're all going to do poorly.

2:35:41 But if those people focused on one channel or two channels, those would do well. Having a conversation with Manos in a private space, I just realized that the previous rooms in the previous air chat, they belonged to somebody. They were like a room in your mansion, which is expanding if you're making new rooms. But this made it a little bit more intimate. It made me more personal when people are visiting your room, even though it may be public. And the association is loose, almost disappearing when it becomes a really big one. like some of them used to do. But I think in this version, the discussion groups are more like Reddit spaces. They don't feel like a room in your mansion, in your profile. And I don't know whether that is affecting a little bit of the engagement. And it may also feel like that you're making a public space. So it's like a public service if you're picking up a topic and doing something there, even though it may be a little bit more personal.

2:36:30 And just a thought, maybe it's affecting the activity of the people, but maybe it's just too early to tell. I'm curious what other people's takes on this are. Am I mistaken here? Am I missing something? The platform credits used to be the thing. So AWS gave 100k startup credits. Microsoft and Google are giving also in six figures. So this might be the initial choice. It's not so much about the platform, but if you need resources and you don't need to pay for them, so you will do it. And later on, you will have the switching cost. The technology ops debt, which might be hard in some cases to migrate to other platforms. But I think this used to be one of the reasons why some of the big ones got a lot of startups doing stuff on their platform. hey guys check this out eugene and p3 this is a very good conversation and the way i think of it is we didn't need the iWatch and when it came out i got one gifted to me but i i worked for a little bit then i thought no it's cumbersome i don't want it we didn't need it but yet people have it and they wear it all the time it's a status kind of thing and but we didn't need it and then i think ahead why i might need something like the pin i would love it i want to be hands-free i speak clearly and Siri which I use right now she understands all of my commands and I can talk to her across the room I don't use Alexa but I use Siri and people are used to using Alexa so we're kind of used to our assistance and in the future where I want to be in hopefully 10 years not even that is I want like a floating orb like following me around I want my AI to be like a drone and follow me around and if I want to it to shoot a video of me cooking or talking to somebody I want it to just float around me and immediately do the video and then upload it to the internet I don't need to transfer to iMovie and do some edits and cuts and captions. And I don't want to do that.

2:38:11 I mean, this would save me hours and hours of time as a creator and as someone who wants to be there for people and speak quickly and speak my mind. And we're already practicing this on air chat. It is needed for me and for the younger generation who are not afraid of AI. They just don't know how to use it yet. And they welcome it. I mean, that is me. We're in an entertainment and creative society unless we go to war. But even then, we'll be even more there because it'll probably be cyber attacks and we'll figure out still how to broadcast and entertain people. And, um, and you know, having drones that work well, cause I tried the drone thing. It just doesn't work. I still have to hold my phone, which is super cumbersome and look at the camera and, and say what I'm going to say. And the phone is heavier, put it on the, put it up on the stand and then get the ring light to be around me. It's like, if I had a floating drone, drone, like around me, that is AI and I could just tell it what to do. And it was like my partner. It was like my, my assistant, my helper, I would pay handsomely for that, and I can't wait till I have that available to me.

2:39:06 Beautiful walk, and I took a nice picture of the sunset, and I said to myself, well, wouldn't it be nice if I could share this with my people? And then I got home, and a lot of things happened, and I couldn't share it, so here it is. I love you all. This world that we get to experience is a beautiful place. And every time I see things like these, I'm like, I'm so glad I need it here. It's a beautiful place. Rabbit is peanuts compared to Humane, which is still in the minor league, but raising for an exit with a valuation of 750 to 1 billion, because they've been raising at 230 million minimum already. They've established 2018, so it's not exactly a new thing, but whether they can return the money invested is another thing. It is a huge problem, and it's not just tech. It's the fact that governments are already looking at AI, LLMs, its local devices as backdoors to whatever's happening on the phones, and that's been really difficult for them to crack.

2:39:59 So maybe this is the new backdoor they were looking for. This just dropped. It seems that it's an opinion piece where everything you need to know is more or less in the headline. And it looks to me, one might be wrong, that the person hasn't done a single shit. Here's the second part of the video. It appears to be that Rapid is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. That's all there is. If you have AirPods and you have Apple Watch, then you have your phone. Those are all the interfaces you need to do any kind of queries, nor wrap it, or you may need it. And those are really good ways to even look a little bit of data in your watch. And then the rest is audio. These are just interfaces, so the real thing is what's happening on the other end, whether it's on the device or in some cloud. So it's just about innovation on those things, what we really need, how do we get it, and how do those prompts work. Yes, the second part of the video, it appears to be that Rabbit is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. That's all there is.

2:41:03 The race to be the first to the market is now leading everyone to release half-baked or outright fraudulent shit. The Rabbit is the most clearing example, but if you look at Google's track record or for that matter Microsoft's co-pilot enabled hardware, it's pretty clear that this is the situation now. Be the first to market even if it's half-baked. The result cannot be anything else than people laughing at AI and then getting surprised when it actually gets good. Rapid is peanuts compared to Humane which is still in the minor league, but raising for an exit with a valuation of 750 to 1 billion because they've been raising at 230 million minimum already. They've established 2018 so it's not exactly a new thing, but whether they can return the money invested is another thing. is another thing. I don't understand why my email is out without transcription. through the burn or the pain of whatever that edge is in your health, in your work, in your creativity, in anything. There's always that edge, your family, your community. And I was thinking how with kids especially, and I think about this in the context of my two oldest, who I have half the time, I feel like half the time they're just relaxed away from their edge. And so when I bring them back to their edge, it feels like some painful thing, like here, touch this hot stove, when really it's just my desire to familiarize them with that feeling of the burn, of the push-up, of the pull-up, of the learning, of the concept, of the creation, of the fearlessness, of the knowing that you'll get through it.

2:43:04 And it seems very destructive to children not to have them be at their edge. And that, in a way, in the ancestral state, they were always at their edge because our species was at their edge. And that this, like making babies and forming families, is one of those things that you never used to have to figure out. It just was figured out by the environment. And now we have these children, and I'd love to hear what Aaron Stuppel thinks about this, that live far from any edge. Maybe they live at the edge of, you know, obesity, becoming, you know, morbid or mortal. In any case, that was my thought of the day. Over and out. This is pretty much the topic of the Alex Friedman's latest broadcast about memory. and how we are using the memory and what does also AI do to us if we are not pushing ourselves to the new patterns and uncomfortable states of not really knowing what to expect and error correction, which is that our expected reality model doesn't fit with reality, which is when you're doing new things or you're confronting something unexpected.

2:44:06 And it's a really good episode to check out. In the beginning, there was a chit, and Naval saw that it was good. Kofi Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. So yes, it seems to be the first part of the video. I don't know where the rest is. Maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. Yes, the second part of the video. It appears to be that Rabbit is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. that's all there is what are the under the radar tech things still to come which are huge on this decade anything you know or have been following and is emerging vision pro llms all the ai talk and tools have been tremendous also in the art of war drones have become a really powerful thing and there are a few of other these technologies which have been popping up and really becoming a thing in this decade, but what are the things we're still missing?

2:45:13 You heard the man. Time to start singing all your chits. Say you want the fix. Say you want the feature of the year. It's a miss if it don't ship. No, I completely agree. Unless everybody started singing. Which, you never know. Have you checked whether there are some online tools where you can collaborate and start to layer the music together. And maybe that's the way to do it. So you coordinate and share the fun here, but you do the actual mixing somewhere else. Just to give you an idea that it's not optimal and probably not work, but for example here is Sumo Tunes, and they have Sumo Audio for recording, but I'm not sure whether you can record on tunes. But something along these lines might do the trick. Please try again.

2:46:02 For the people who have spent a lot of time playing with GPT-4.0, Is it your sense that this thing is an advancement on GPT-4 in its fundamental intelligence? Demos aside, leave aside all the Twitter demos, because on Twitter, I think people are trying to prove a point. Whereas here, I think we're more just exploring for the truth. Is it our sense, collectively, that GPT-4-0 is a true intelligence advancement on GPT-4? Or is it a performance and cost enhancement? And if so, what does this bode for GPT-5? It feels like a lateral move where they've been tweaking something. It's more conversational. It's more creative. But it's more reckless. You cannot rely on it. So I wouldn't call it advancement. Maybe it's better for some creative stuff where accuracy doesn't matter. But for other things I think it's even worse. Hey everyone, I'm Malhar and this is my first day on AirChat. Things look fresh and exciting here. It feels like Twitter but for visors which is pretty cool. Let's see how this goes. Welcome to AirChat Malhar. Yes, this is way better than Twitter, but after a while you will go back to Twitter if you ever do, and you will expect the tweets to play, but it doesn't work and there's no mic button, so you better get back to here if that happens, and when that happens, there's all different stages of AirChat usage, and then there's already a group called AirChat Addicts, and that's for later use.

2:47:19 Hey Vince, welcome to AirChat. You have a cool logo. Is it Smile in Progress? Hello, I don't know if you can hear me, but is anyone reading a book called Mistborn? Welcome to AirChat. I haven't heard about the book. What is it about? Here's a question. Does money can make you happy? Kamal thinks so. There was first time posted. How was your day? Hey, Luis. Welcome to AirChat. Follow some people, check some cool topics, pick some discussions, and you will find a lot of things to discuss and talk and check out. Enjoy. Hello. This is my first AirChat, I guess. Welcome to AirChat. Also, my understanding from the American market, when I visited there, people don't understand the quality of matcha.

2:48:12 Because, you know what, when you mix it with milk, anything tastes good. But in general, if you make just the matcha bowl itself, it can have a little bit of astringent or bitterness. And some people would say it tastes like grass. And some would just say, oh, this is not organic, and so on. In Japan, it's very hard to have organic matcha. It's almost impossible in my research. Because many farmers cannot produce those. It's very high cost and the quality that comes doesn't change a lot actually. So this is another misunderstanding from the matcha industry. The third thing is that I wrote a very cool article if you're interested to read it. Something I learned in tea ceremony is that before the tea ceremonies were done by samurais and then when they enter, the room is with a low door.

2:49:03 When you enter this door, you have to remove all your katana and all your armory. And it says, when you come to this tea ceremony, you are nobody. You enter with no rank and nobody knows your position. It's a peaceful room and nobody can fight or kill each other because they trust this place. That's the way of tea. Like, that's how green tea and tea ceremony started. And although now it's getting lower, like not so common, it's more like for touristy places, still holds a lot of cultural significance in Japan. I will put my article link here in the below. I would love another rabbit hole to go down. Related but not really, I'm a collector of good quotes and good titles. And when I was a kid, I remember looking at a fantasy series by Stephen R. Donaldson. And I'm not sure I ever read it, but I was struck by the titles. Great example of titles. Usually when you have a book with a great title, it'll have a singular title. So for example, there's a book called A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. Great title. Book, not so good. Anyway, great title, standalone.

2:50:06 But this book or this series had two books where the titles played off of each other. And when you saw them back to back on the bookshelf, they look great. And it was very clever because normally fantasy series, usually there's a bunch of them. You see two or three or four or five books back to back. So creating a title that stretches across two books was very clever. And the first book was called The Mirror of Her Dreams. And the second book was called A Man Rides Through. Would any of you guys be interested in a channel for The Office where we can talk about The Office? series because i'm watching um episode one from season three where michael scott watched oprah and he gets to the office and he says pam should investigate how much it would cost to adopt a baby and i want to laugh and talk to somebody that also found that funny should we create one so you're gonna be on the office on sunday way to gossips Yo guys, normally I share songs with you that are, you know, hypo.

2:51:09 But man, this song, it's earth. It's earth. And it's a South African song. It's in Situana. It has moved my heart. And most of you will probably never understand it. But I'm going to play it for you just a little bit. For you to hear. Maybe some of you will feel some of that energy. I'm going to Beautiful song. Thanks for serving.

2:52:28 Normally I share songs with you that are, you know, hypo. But man, this song, it's earth. It's earth. And it's a South African song. It's in Satowana. It has moved my heart and most of you will probably never understand it. But I'm going to play it for you just a little bit for you to hear. Maybe some of you will feel some of that energy. The one who is good, I want to share a personal victory. A few of you already know that I was diagnosed with tubercular lymphadenitis last year.

2:53:53 And consequently, I was put on a six-month medicine course, which is the standard medicine course for TV. And two weeks ago, I took my last dose. I see now, 4.0 is really bad at writing things for you or making changes to a long writing. But if you're asking it to give you a piece of information, it's not as bad. Although, if you're asking it to tell you how to do something, It might give you instructions that are impossible. So it seems like it's more willing to output, but it might output BS. But at the same time, if you're getting absolutely nothing from GPT-4, or if it's given you some stonewall rule, like it's proprietary or it's not allowed, then maybe GPT-4-0 would be better. But it seems like if you want to write an essay, GPT-4 still is the way. Interesting, man.

2:54:43 It's like a Swiss army knife. Different uses. I also noticed that it does something for the code as well. You can't trust it anymore. If you give it something and then say, please change this entity. So that way, it may change something which is unrelated. And yesterday I was chasing something quite a while because I just later realized that it did change something which was irrelevant for the request, but it absolutely ruined the running of the code. Yeah, if you do get it to do something specific, then it forgets all of the other specific stuff it did before. It seems like GPT-4 can remember multiple specific instructions back to back a little bit more easily. Sometimes it forgets and I can just remind it, hey, combine the last three or four messages into one thing and then it will. But GPT-4-0 is having a lot more trouble doing that. A little bit like when you join a channel. Twitter lists are really good for getting what you expect to get and you can have a narrow or broad focus.

2:55:36 and the 4U is sometimes bringing something useful. And then the following is totally random, at least on my case, because I have quite a many people I'm following. Jack Dorsey unfollowed everyone, more or less, in his Twitter account. I don't know how many people he was following, but probably in hundreds, if not in thousands. And he said that the quality of the 4U did not go down. So maybe it was because he trained it already with his likes and following list before he nuked. But nevertheless, he said that the algorithm works. No, I changed my mind. Muting channels would not serve me. I want people in my following feed to hear them whenever, wherever, whatever they say. Changed my mind.

2:56:29 Yeah, I've heard a similar story and I've heard maybe one or two other stories as well about how milk tea came about. However, I'm also thinking that because of the history of tea and the fact that it's early origins from China and it's been around for such a long time, I won't be surprised people were already, you know, in different parts of the world were already blending this standard, the standard default tea with various different ingredients. And I'm sure milk was one of them. So I won't be surprised the Mongolians may have been among the first, or maybe it weren't the Mongolians. Maybe it was the French. You know how the French like to claim everything? No, I'm kidding. If anybody is from France, I'm just totally kidding. Well, the interesting thing is, according to what I was reading about the history, is that tea was more, it was kind of bitter in the way they brewed it, and it was more of a health sort of drink and not just like an everyday sort of beverage.

2:57:24 And then when the Mongolians took over for a little while, It was the Mongolians that kind of finished the process of figuring out how to properly aged tea, because I guess they like to ferment things. And anyway, so they helped with the oxidation process and fermenting the tea leaves in order to make those like dark, rich black teas that are fermented. And that kind of finished the whole cycle of like, hey, tea is more easy to brew now and it's not as bitter. It's a little milder and easier to consume. And it kind of increased the consumption rate in China of tea. And depending on where the tea came from in the ports, because at the time the Dutch ruled that area of the ocean, obviously, and they had a monopoly on the exportation and control of teas.

2:58:13 And so depending on what part of China the tea was picked up from, tea had a different name. And so when it was exported to different parts of the globe, it was either called cha or it was called tea, depending on where they picked it up from. I think the port of Amboy, they called it tea, and then maybe the Cantonese called it cha. I forget. Either that or it's the opposite. And so obviously cha turned into chai in India. And so, yeah, it's just interesting how different parts of the globe, even representing in their local native languages, what they call tea based on the port of origin of the tea because of the different dialects between Cantonese and Mandarin. um so it's kind of interesting but the dutch controlled the tea trade for a long time they had a monopoly on it until the british figured their way in there uh and they kind of worked their way around because they didn't have as much control on the tea being exported from china and so they set up camp in eastern india and uh that's kind of how they cultivated the osamika variety of tea.

2:59:19 So you have the camellia asamica in eastern India. And that became predominant. And obviously the British ended up leveraging that tea, tea growing in India, to become the largest tea producer in the world. Not true. You just prefer to use the inferior one. There really needs to be a laughing emoji reaction. you Thank you.

3:00:41 Oh my gosh, we got a shiny new icon. Check that out, guys. Check it out. Also, while I was drawing on the icon, I got distracted and drew on the cat, too. But the art wants what the art wants. If it would be called a meditation retreat, would it look any different? I watched the entire video and I thought it was so fun.

3:01:33 I was actually thinking how if you framed it as a meditation retreat, it would have felt so differently. The one thing I would have paid for out of everything offered was the bed with the ability to turn off the light right away. I definitely would have declined meeting family, and I would have declined getting everything for the last 30 days. Mr. Beast did a little bit more extreme thing. I just noticed he has this one, seven days in solitary confinement. This is the air chat Reddit moment. We're going to have so many subreddits, discussion groups, topics, subtopics. And then eventually the most strongest ones will survive, and this will be the topics for the issues discussed. And yeah, maybe you're the lucky winner of the lottery of the strongest community of a air chat topic. Doge has ascended to the heavens. Fascinating. Did you get the headphones? Are you listening to them?

3:02:23 Are they giving you the joy and bliss of beauty? If you start to think about it, it's a little bit more complex if you close the other end. And this means that you have to somehow dampen the waves because they're going into all the directions. And then you start to have some kind of reverbs and all these things when you have closed ones. So it sounds like a little bit more complicated situation when you are not having to open it once. But I haven't really thought this through and I'm no headset designer. But I recall in my youth I had also loudspeakers, gradients, which were also open and they were just amazing. I found it! And for me, I was tagged for that old one, and also 11 was tagged on my reply.

3:03:35 At the same time now, I didn't do anything, so it just happened by the backend or the client just in the last, I don't know, 12 hours or so. Now we're going to have a lot of channels. Maybe this is the regular way with some of the features. Users are wanting, wanting, wanting, and begging, and screaming, and kicking for you to put into the app. And then when you have it, well, then it's the next new thing. we're not gonna have this X or Y and it's not so cool anymore. It should already be doing that. If you go into the 4U feed you should see lots of posts from channels. If you don't, let me know. Will there be a way to mute from the 4U feed and following feed some of the channels you pick and choose? For example, if you're a cat lover and you see a lot of your friends who you follow replying to a dog channel and you don't want to see those ones. So in that case, could you mute that particular channel even though you're not following it? Or maybe in the case that you're following it? but you just want to go there and roam the content there and not particularly see it in the feed.

3:04:32 Eventually, yes, but not in the immediate term. That's a bit of a power user feature, and we're more focused on making things simple for new users right now in the app. Hi, Naval. I have a quick question for you. I think it's no secret that you are a quite wise and profound person. I'm curious what you would attribute to your ability slash your skill of generating profound insights and what you advise someone else who's an intellectually curious person by nature to develop this skill over time. For example, are there different resources one should reference, or different books one should read, or even just general approaches one should take to life? Thank you. Wisdom is the product of experience and curiosity and honest self-reflection. So put yourself in the path of many experiences of different kinds, and then when you have them, be curious about them and really think them through honestly. Don't worry about offending other people. Don't worry about hurting your own ego. Just go for the truth. I think anyone who is observant about what's happening around them and reflects about it honestly will come up with insights that are quote-unquote profound. They might be a little hallmarky too, you know, a little bit trite, but to really internalize these learnings, you have to discover them for yourselves.

3:05:43 Reading other people may inspire you, but it will not guide you all the way. Because you're on your own unique journey, you do have to hack your own path. And that just means really, really thinking things through, honestly. Now, you can't fake it at some level. If I tell you to fake it, it's going to feel like work, and you won't do it, or you won't do it to the right level. But if you do have that innate curiosity, just pursue it. I think the most important part is the honesty part. I do think everyone is curious about their own life, and everyone introspects. But that unwavering dedication to the truth, that's the hard part. At least on our iOS client, it should remember where it left off in the last two or three posts. It's not going to be a memory beyond that because we're not going to track where you were on post number 32 two days ago. That doesn't make any sense, obviously, but if you're just flicking back and forth between two posts, it should remember where you were. That's a brilliant feature. I just wish there was a way to reset it because there might be something you want to play again, and if it's a very long one and the transcription is correct, and you need to get that particular piece of information or what was said.

3:06:42 It was really hard to reset and start from, again, at least in the DMs. You can scroll way off the message to a couple of other messages and then come back and it will have reset. That said, we will let you tap to skip around in the message soon. We just had to get word-by-word timestamps working on the transcriptions, which is actually quite a lot of work because before we didn't have timestamps on the transcriptions. So everything took a little while, but it will be coming soon. I'm realizing so much of social media is information that we would never seek out on our own. For example, my Twitter for you feed has not turned into stuff that just sucks me and is super engaging. But I always find myself down some rabbit hole that I genuinely don't care about. And I would have never investigated on my own and has no bearing or impact in my life. And I have no ability to act upon it. And most of it is driven by fear or sensationalism. So I'm just being sucked into caring about things that I don't care about. And I don't want to care about.

3:07:30 And I shouldn't care about. And I can't care about. Because there are other things that I genuinely care about that I have to allocate my time to. So, you heard it here. I'm going to start calling social media sensational media. The battle between conflicting interests. Universal explainer who cannot know what it wants but is curious and is always creative and seeking for something new, unexpected, unknown. And a platform trying to serve the user something to keep the eyeballs on for the business model to work. Hey Levon, thank you for having me. Yep, I didn't find it either. Moderating a channel? Yeah, maybe. I'll give it a try, I guess. The latest build seems to be adding DAX later on. So, for example, 11 was added to my previous one from two weeks ago, I didn't do anything. And I also noticed that I was mentioned in the same thread in above, which just popped up on my feed. I don't know that that's intentional, but just FYI. My thesis is that they may have optimized GPT-4.0 for chat, because that's what the announcement was all about.

3:08:39 And it's free as well, which is suspicious, because if it's actually better, why would it be free? Why would it be free? Another thing to consider is that the voices we saw on the GPT-4.0 demo have not been released yet. And I'm not sure if those voices only work with GPT-4.0, but that's kind of what they were making it out to be. Like, GPT-4.0 was optimized for vision and for audio. You know, the O is an I. So if that's the case, then GBT4O really, it seems like might be more for those conversational models, which tend to have more overconfidence because they're talking to you rather than, you know, meticulously crafting some idea back and forth. Like conversation requires more confidence to enjoy it sometimes. Not being told no, etc. I mean, did you hear how the AI girl was talking to that guy who's like sweet-talking him practically? So I suspect that GPT-4.0 is tuned a little too much to what you want to hear rather than what is true.

3:09:35 So beware of GPT-4.0. I would stick with GPT-4 if it weren't me. For now. In the OpenAI demo, they thanked NVIDIA for the latest gear, which they stated that enabled to use that model in a live situation. so the voices are probably too expensive to be used at the moment yet and it was just the latest thing they had but it's not optimized, it's probably not working yet in a level that they can roll it out. Happy birthday Kamal. Happy birthday our John Wick. Happy birthday Kamal. I actually love this idea, I definitely think there's something here. Top level I think summarizing is more important than diving into the full context anyway so if we could have the best of both worlds that'd be amazing. Thanks for sharing. yesterday I noticed a discussion and then I started to scroll up and it went on and on on on and on it must have been hundreds if not even already in thousands of trips so I never get to the top of it finally I figured out it's the taking children seriously threat but I think that might be something as well would be somehow able to go to the top or at least realize what is the main topic or how this all started the discussion was already going to different directions and in some sense it doesn't matter but if you want to scroll up quite a bit it would be nice to get a little bit of a context what's going on maybe there could be some kind of a summary topic or some kind of way to understand what's going on those could be also probably like section headings also along the way if you're going route of the summaries anyways happy birthday like a mall.

3:11:39 Then there are many of us as well, talking all the time around the world. So, Kenzie, after the roasting, this morning I was having a conversation with Petri and he said to me, "Well, you need to show us how your workstation looks before it's messed up." And I'm like, "I'm gonna have to stage it somehow, because it will not look as good as this any time when I'm working on it." So, this is what it looks like, and I think you would be a little bit more proud of this setup. Oh man! The previous shit was done with the permission of the author, and if you don't know who he is, you haven't spent enough time on AirChat. AirChat turns you into jelly. I do think it's unlikely I get in. One of the biggest negatives against me is that I do not have a co-founder. And again, if I want to build a small business, I actually think that's fine without a co-founder.

3:12:29 If I want to build a very big business, it's going to be quite challenging without a co-founder. And this is actually some early feedback they gave me like a month or two ago. And I thought I might bring on a co-founder, but now it seems very unlikely that I will. That part I'm less sure of. I know they like to give that advice because it diversifies their risk and because that seems to be the standard understanding. And I even wrote that in Venture Hacks decades ago. But now I think it's changed. Sam Altman assigned junior technical co-founders after the fact, I believe. Elon Musk doesn't have co-founders in many of these companies that he's done. Steve Jobs, you know, Paul Allen, sorry, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, Wozniak dropped by the wayside. Same with Gates and Allen. You know, Allen dropped by the wayside and Gates led the company. So usually one founder emerges dominant anyway. And I think there are lots of examples of successful single founder companies now. Jeff Bezos is the one that comes to mind. So Mark Zuckerberg, you know, really the main founder of Facebook. So either one founder ends up being the main founder or your successful single founder company.

3:13:19 I think the two founder advice is a little obsolete. Although I understand YC still throws it out there as a bonus or a requirement. Although I don't think it's a hard and fast requirement. I'm so jelly. You guys have the best time. Strike a deal with the universe. So here's what I'm going to say. If I pull it off, will you come and join us? if I somehow make it, will you come and join us? I think that's a fantastic deal with the universe because if you say yes, then I know it's going to work. I'm a dreamer, man. Oh, I'm a dreamer. Nice. New feature on AirChat. You can see views, but some of it's a little bit puzzling. And when you cheat from a week ago or more, have this type of metrics. Maybe it's time to re-chit them. I appreciate that. Honestly, the focus that we have right now is on productivity and efficiency, which comes down to output and, as Brian mentioned, towards GDP, which doesn't really take into account a holistic human experience. But agency, I feel like, does a little bit better.

3:14:16 The nice thing about high agency, as opposed to, say, productivity or efficiency, is that the high part implies effectiveness and tool sets, and the agency part implies freedom. Whereas in just being more productive or being more efficient, there's no underlying freedom mandate. My intuition is that when it comes to AI, I think OpenAI, Meta, all these companies working at the intelligence level or the intelligence layer are going to swallow up or continue to swallow up more and more tutoring apps or just like all the customer feedback apps, stuff like that, I think gets swallowed up by the intelligence layer. But what I think doesn't get swallowed up by that is, I'm going to go back and say it again, I think an operating system powered by large language models with a central database that replaces all apps could very well be the future. and ideally the central database is hosted and funded and kept running through a decentralized incentive system, similar to Filecoin or Bitcoin's proof of work or name your thing, Solana, all these things.

3:15:27 But yeah, I kind of just already talked about it in a different thread, but I'm still really excited about the idea of an AI operating system similar. And like Linux, Linus Torvald was also predicting this. I was listening to Founders Podcast with him. He was talking about, yeah, just this general idea that an operating system isn't the end goal. The end goal is you just talk to your, like Linux isn't the end goal. The end goal is you just talk to your computer like another human and then it adapts and the database adapts and everything adapts. And the LLM is essentially just running code to get shit done. So rant over. Yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts though on this just from a general perspective. because, yeah, you've got an amazing, beautiful eye for products. So this is the philosophy that I am using as I build my new company. So I wrote software for a long time.

3:16:18 I was a product manager for a long time. And I see each of those jobs as an active translation. The job of the product manager is to translate the product idea into something the engineers can build. The job of the engineer is to translate the product specs into something that the computer can actually run. And then at each step along the way, if you think about what a compiler is doing, These are further acts of high-fidelity semantic translation. So today, we are in a situation where you have to train your engineers. You have to get a subject matter expert to train the engineer and make the engineer a subject matter expert so that they can write the correct software. And I think that's an inefficient step. So what I believe the right thing to do is to essentially have the engineers work with the large, to put a large language model in between the two so that it can more efficiently translate between the domain expert and what the engineer can actually build. I personally believe that this is not the end of engineering.

3:17:15 I believe that the job of the software architect is going to change, but I don't believe it's going to go away anytime soon. And I believe that the next growth area is going to be domain analysis with the goal of creating domain-specific languages that can act as intermediary steps. Can we all talk about the aliens? What are the aliens talking about us? You know, sometimes I look at Paige and I genuinely, sincerely, honestly wonder if I'm good enough for her. She's such a loving, sweet dog. All she wants to do is please. And the working dog in her just wants to do anything that will make you happy. Just be by your side. And she's a badass too, but she's so sweet and loving. And I wonder, am I giving her the best life that she deserves? I should be waking up earlier, so taking her out before it gets hot rather than just in the evening when it gets cool.

3:18:08 I should take her hiking in the mountains. She hasn't seen much of this world. Those who don't have dogs may laugh at this, but there's a delight in watching your dog, just how they delight in new environments and smells and just exploring. And I haven't been giving much of that to her lately. And, you know, I want to be a better whatever, I think, handler or whatever, you know, for her, to her. So I got to step up and be better. She deserves better. She deserves a better me who gives her a better life. And this photo is Paige realizing that I'm about to go out. for a little while and she gets all sad and goes lies on her bed and just gives me these this look like she knows you know she's very good at that back to night walks with page um we cut through the golf course and as we're on our way back uh the sprinklers turn on so we do this little game where we zig and zag to the sprinklers avoiding the stream of water it's a bit fun and then once we've passed that maze um we stop and look out over the valley and there's uh the lights of las vegas I was there this morning. I was driving by the strip and thinking of all the things that must be happening in those hotels and casinos. It's summer, so the pool parties and stuff.

3:19:26 And I've just come back from Japan. And Japan felt real with its history and the modernness, with its zaniness and its culture and its civility. And driving by the strip, thinking of what was happening in there, it felt fake. I was at a birthday party a few days ago, and one the guys there said we were on top of this condo building looking down over the strip and he said you know this town wasn't built by winners and it took me a second and I got it it's like that's right this town was built on the assumption that collectively the people who come here will lose and that makes this town sparkle and glow funny thing as humans in life so Paige is Paige and I are walking and I'm letting her take the lead but on my command so she knows I'm still in charge she gets to take the lead when I choose it. It's interesting about these dogs. They are calmer and better when they know that you're in charge and when you let them be in charge it's on your terms. So here I am just looking at the lights of Las Vegas and of course Paige is getting bored and so she comes and nudges me. It's like come on buddy. Hey thinker stop thinking. Time for some doing. There's coyotes to be chased. There's sprinklers to be zigzagged and off we go. Oh my gosh me waiting for the other chit oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh yes oh my gosh i'd probably be screaming if i um was at a different point in my day but i'm about to go to sleep so it's a it's a very quiet oh yeah oh it's so cute there's so many hands there's two hands on the frisbee there's on the mic it's so funny oh what a cutie but too he's the star of the show he should have the little headphones on he's a he's just a little baby he's a perfect he's a little ai baby he's cute he's so cute some design choices make the overall experience better even though they may look like faults like you cannot edit or the user needs to learn to speak in a manner that they are not mms and filler words and that's not a bad thing for overall for everyone and it's just a little bit uncomfortable in the beginning also the longer form if you notice that you're not getting a lot of engagement with those ones might make them shorter learn to speak better that's a long

3:21:30 route and if you need quick wins that really doesn't work but i think that's the same with the 140 characters, which was the limit for a long time. It was just brilliant. And then when it became longer, now you can have huge ones. It lost something already. It's not the same thing anymore. And in that way, I think having these limitations, even with the transcription, is a good thing. If the transcription would be flawless, it would put you more pressure on your speaking, and you probably would do more recordings, because you want to have the speech, the original source, as perfect as well. And now, because of the imperfection in the transcription, you do more first takes because everybody knows that that's how it just works. I can definitely see it being like a translation part where someone can choose to have everything translated into the language that they can understand.

3:22:24 Actually, I don't even know how that works because I see Japan's chat and it's all in Japanese and I I see like going to French chat and it's all in French. And then for me, I mean, it was so in the middle of your three chats, the middle one was in German, but it was spoken in English. So I think it would be cool to, you know, just like watching subtitles of things and then you can get it translated. I don't even know what I'm saying, but, you know, thanks for the input of saying that it was by Whisper. It was just like good knowledge. And I didn't want to just leave the chat with just like, ha, I like, thanks for your information. But I don't talk to you and tell you thank you. So I just want to say that. Thanks, Petri. I always love you on AirChat and your dialogue. So always a pleasure seeing you on here.

3:23:11 Option to get notifications of DM likes would be a nice addition. When the notifications are off, you posted something and then you forgot to check out AirChat. And you have become an emergent meme trend. Yeah, I agree it's likely a nudge, but that's where the design challenge comes in. That's what I've been struggling with back and forth, is how do you nudge someone correctly here? Reflecting a bit, because of the recording issues, they're not going through, or you don't see them, or they're posting to the wrong places, I think that also might be partly because people are doing a lot of chits at the moment. So if you're absolutely sure that it goes to the right place, it will be there. Maybe the shorter ones will become more favorable. I'm a product designer from India, working in the gaming industry. Welcome to AirChat. That sounds fascinating. What type of games you are designing? So, it's a weird thing. I work in the gaming industry, but I've not designed a single game.

3:24:03 I work on the platform side where I design a platform where people can host their games. Aha. So, I found the mystery. Yeah, this is just interesting, just me thinking out loud, talking about blocking, and this guy I quite like, Michael Malice, the intelligent anarchist, he was advising people on what to do with stupid people. And he said, when you disagree with a stupid person, just so you don't get their back up, use the phrase, yeah, it's confusing, end quote. And I've said to him, look, there's no such thing as a stupid person. It could be that you're wrong. It could be that they're wrong. It could be you're both wrong. Don't call people stupid. That's basically what I was saying. And then he disagreed with me on that. And so he said something like, do you think I shouldn't talk to stupid people or something to that effect? And I said, no, I wasn't saying anything like that.

3:25:00 I was saying there isn't such a thing as a stupid person. And then I said, yeah, it's confusing. In other words, I was saying back to him exactly what he said people should say to a stupid person. Now, I said there's no such thing as a stupid person. He said there is such a thing as a stupid person, and when you encounter such a thing as a stupid person, you should say things like, yeah, it's confusing. And so I thought it was quite clever. And so did he. Hence this tweet of his that I'll link to right here, where he says, quote, I am in legit awe. Well done, sir. So he was praising me, which I thought that's pretty high praise coming from Malcolm Ellis. But then, and only then, was I blocked. As I say, this is why I kind of had that feeling. He's a smart person, but he feels the need to be the smartest person in the room. So as soon as he said he was in awe of me, then he blocked me because he couldn't have someone around that he felt was operating at or above his level. Something like that.

3:25:55 And I'm not an arrogant person to think that I'm smarter than Malcolm Ellis. I don't think that. But he seems to not want anyone around who might make it. But then again, he did praise me. So I don't get it. But there you go. That's my block story. Here's the link. Thanks, Brett, for the stories. Yeah. He didn't like, Malice didn't like that you used his method to, well, with his word, calling him stupid. Anyways, I noticed in Blue Sky the same, what you mentioned about bots labeling. Blue Sky has this tool, or probably many of them, which tells you, shows who blocks you and what feeds block you, and a lot of information about these things. And I noticed that I've been in some of the block lists, and the explanation for this, how do you get into that list, is that it was really broad and changed. generic, like people who like crypto talk about tech or are from Silicon Valley or whatnot.

3:26:48 So sometimes these are pretty broad and it's probably, like you said, it's about likes or associating with some people or just following somebody anywhere in the list. Yes, as I expected, it's something that has a high false positive rate. Just, you know, if you can go on to Blue Sky, for example, and just bar everyone who doesn't like, or who does like, rather, who's expressed a liking or follows a channel called Gardening, well then you immediately wipe out everyone who likes gardening so that's going to include presumably a lot of people you might otherwise be interested in following. I love how it still says next shit not next chit but yeah it's basically so my theory here is um if you think of AI being the new UI you can kind of rethink the entire computer and our entire way of interacting with devices and so a different way to think about air chat is I could just like tell, like there could already be this whole set of data, and instead I could talk to my AI device and tell it to essentially record what I'm saying, and then share this to everyone who is in my list of contacts, and then that data can be manipulated, and this is still early stages, so bear with me, but the LLM, a large language model, could basically just execute Python code to manipulate that data.

3:28:08 And what that means is you strip away everything on top of that. So all that UI gets stripped away, and you really just make AI the new UI, and strip away all the nonsense. Not nonsense, beautiful stuff. But it's very representative of old technology, and it doesn't work with AI on a core native level. the old air chat links are not working anymore they were just a few weeks ago still so I think they are gone now unless they are still planning to revive those links so otherwise it's just better to have a new conversation understood and yeah I think yeah I'm always down to keep the conversation going here so yeah it's good to be back on air chat it seems a little bit more dead than or just last active than it was a few weeks or a couple months ago but vibes are always good here. Good to see the OGs sticking around. So yeah, I hope you're well, man. What would be the only exercise book that you'll ever need? Any book that shows you clearly the joints in your body.

3:29:09 Any book that assists in your awareness of your joints and how they move. The space between your bones are joints. They are simple but powerful mechanics. Once you understand how they move, how they distribute load, you will have a natural understanding of how your body moves and distributes load. Then anything with joints becomes a guide, a cat, a dog, a gymnast, a child. Your joints have receptors to allow for fine, detailed and intelligent movement. Joint sensitivity is one of the main ways we process feedback in the moment. Process reality. More awareness in the joints, the more awareness in the moment. Thus more awareness in your movement. Stimulate that space between those bones and the muscles will follow. Allow your curiosity to explore all the directional movement that is possible. Stimulate those little joints in your fingers. Rotate those joints in your ankles. Expand the joints in your ribs. Your own body contains all the blueprints you need to move. All the information you need is there to be uncovered. If you truly deeply listen to your body then it will tell you what it needs. Then everything else is just sharing with others and figuring out interesting and fun things to do with all those muscles and joints.

3:30:28 I'm interested in what people think about the future of large language models from a product perspective. I've been pitched quite a bit over the last month. Vertical solutions that involve large language models. So for example, imagine going to a dedicated experience around weight loss. Imagine the same thing with financial coaching or having a dedicated assistant that works on your behalf only to book travel via email and text. Do people see these as plausible solutions or plausible places that we end up Or do we think that all of this gets subsumed by one of the big players? That is very interesting product. And I think it's along the lines of what we've been seeing with the search engines. So it's a family business model, like startpage.com, duck, duck, duck, go and the rest. I think what is probably missing, maybe even in that one, or I think what is definitely needed, it's not just that Venice is doing, but also that it will sanitize the data, the actual prompts. Because sometimes you don't want some of your fingerprinting, revealing text, data, identity, putting into the prompt.

3:31:29 And it's not necessary or it could be something else. So it could be maybe coming back to you as the real one. But when it's sent out, it's anonymized. And this is something which still happens. I checked Venice for just a few seconds. But I think that that's definitely needed in order to increase the level of privacy. But yeah, I think there's a market for this type of things. Kofi Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. So yes, it seems to be the first part of the video. I don't know where the rest is, maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. Thanks for the link, Unity. Yeah, I just read it. Well, if that's the case, why did they ask twice Johnson, and why did they took away the so-called not imitated voice of Johnson if it was not her? Doesn't make much sense.

3:32:27 Coffee Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. Yes, it seems to be the first part of the video, I don't know where the rest is, maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. I will be watching closely what happens, just out of interest. To see, because for me I'm more interested in the story than the legal dispute. But why? And I'm afraid it may never come out. If somebody tells you that they are dating a model, you better ask, is it an LLM? That has definitely been my experience too, but there is something about what Petri is saying that resonates with me in a very deep way. So I want to ponder the validity of that for myself.

3:33:19 But Petri, I will say I do want to hear about your direct experience, preferably on AirChat, because I believe this is AirChat violation. Go read this, especially go read my book. Because, you know, I want to know that you actually have this experience of not living with fear before I seriously consider the premise of what you're telling me, which is I can live without fear. So it starts with expectation management, first with yourself and then towards others. So what can be expected? And this is what great startup founders are also doing. They are telling up front that this can fail, most likely this will fail. But, you know, given all the things that can go wrong, there's also a chance that this might actually succeed. so it's quite a lot to do with how do you communicate your intentions and what you're planning to do and I think that's partly also setting the expectations yourself but mostly and first of all you have to you know clear these things within yourself. I don't have anyone else I need to manage except for myself failures or for me I guess my partners we all go in knowing we could fail and I in some ways I know the chances of our failing are substantially higher but there's still this belief in me that I can make it happen. I gotta think about this more.

3:34:29 I think I'm still having dissonance between having been able to create things that are not possible for me and believing that I can't control future outcomes. No worries. Did you fell in love? I remember you were dating someone. Yeah, I've seen there's a heavy correlation between dating someone and using Erchat, so it's negative. So when you date someone, you don't use Erchat. And that comes back to the, you know, erotic part of voice. I think Naval, you should be aware of this correlation. I've seen it with many users. Yeah, I'm happy for you, Monsieur Baguette, everyone. It's a common misconception that Europe doesn't have social media companies. We just call ours breweries. Its social media app is called Malai. A few years back, they opened a new public library, which is a build based on the concept of a public place where you can work. There's a cafe, there are rooms where you can work, you can do group work, group meetings, various different places to hang around, do things.

3:35:31 And it's architecturally also pretty nice, so that became a famous and popular spot for people to meet and do something together. Yeah, there are really beautiful angles and details, and you can explore the building just for the sake of the building. five years ago I took some pictures of the interior. There are multiple images within each post on my Instagram. But I'm sure there are even better ones out there if somebody just bothers to Google them. Hi there. Good afternoon. I'm Parag. Looking forward to this new audio social public messenger. Parag, welcome to AirChat. Follow some people, check the search function for interesting topics for you. and also there are discussion groups, topics you can also check in the beginning before you get more followers. So this way you will get your feed populated and just dive into the talks and you will have a lot of good time here.

3:36:28 Welcome to AirChat. Yeah, this one is the one where you need to speak. Somebody call it, we're leaving voice messages to each other, voicemail. hello there how are you hello and welcome to air chat congrats you already did your first message so now follow a little bit more people use the search function to find some interesting discussions and check some of the groups and you will start to have a lot of interesting discussions soon i can only post one link per message so here's the one i posted above is clear pitch it um they give you i've tried a bunch of apps that try to teach you perfect pitch some people claim it's It's not possible to learn it. That's not true. But it is challenging. And most apps I've used don't really get the job done. They'll get you part way there. But this one is really clever.

3:37:15 They give you a unique melody and song for each pitch. And then they just work it to death, giving you different modalities. So with the words or in different octaves or different pitches. And it works. It's great. So the other one I'll link below is called Functional Ear Trainer. It's more about relative pitch. But really, the best thing you can do for yourself as a musician is work on ear training. technique. Really, you can't make it sound better if you can't even hear it. So yeah, I like it. Thanks, that's really fascinating. I was just reading the Clear Pits introduction from the App Store and it stated that the way to do that to absolute bits is to associate a color to the tone. And this was exactly what was the case with an artist I interviewed some years back. She had it from the birth. Every sound has a visual appearance for her. So she sees them as colors.

3:38:09 So that's, I don't know whether it's coincidence or it's required, but just an observation. I think this also can be looked at in the context of attachment and non-attachment. Thoughts? You know, that's needed if you're purely observing the thoughts, the emotions, everything. So it's not within. And if you're within those emotions, you're already in that duality. So let them be. Let them do what they need to do. And by, like you said, improving understanding, acknowledging them, you can take away their power. If you start to push them, support them, they will only get more emphasized, more leveraged, more prolonged. We miss you, Monsieur Baguette, everyone.

3:38:59 And it's not only Monsieur Paquette, but a lot of the French Invasion first squad must have the flash mob. We are now clearly in an AI race where OpenAI released GPT-40 when it was a little bit unready just to get ahead of Google, which released similar things the next day, also quite unready. Now Microsoft releases a new lineup of hardware and software built around native AI, probably will be likewise slightly unready. So everyone will be rushing to market just to be the first. We saw this with the dedicated AI devices like the Rabbit, which also was unready. Some would even call it a little bit of a gimmick. And this will keep happening because the incentive is clearly to be the first now. However, since the products are not ready, this will probably make people a little bit more cynical and it will make them underestimate AI because they will see a bunch of prematurely released products and they'll be like, "Oh, this is a toy. This is not as good as we hoped." Blah, blah, blah.

3:39:56 And then when it gets actually good, it will probably catch them a little bit by surprise. However, the negative surprises from rushed products will always be very salient and emotionally impactful. Impactful for the brands, people will be making fun of it on Twitter. Whereas the improvements will be probably mostly gradual and incremental, and it will be updates where it gets 5% better, whereas the initial disappointment will be this big event. So this is an interesting situation. It's also a situation where there isn't much stickiness. it's easy to switch and shift based on task or whatever preference or the latest model between all of these and it's going to be interesting to see whether they can build some kind of modes around them and then we're stuck with something and it's hard to get away open ai was that for the beginning because it was just so good but i guess we're starting to get more differences between the models and tasks so it's going to be more challenging also maybe the same as what happened with the streamed videos as well you need to have multiple services to get done what you you need to get done. Maybe for other reasons. I don't watch that many movies nowadays either.

3:40:59 My wife and I have really gotten into Scandinavian and UK cop series for whatever reason. Maybe because they are a series you can watch them night after night. But ever since I think it was when I watched Breaking Bad or maybe Lost way back when that I just became more enamored of watching very, very long character arcs. And that to me is what real drama is about is character development and character arc you can't get that in a movie you just can't um not a movie that's anywhere under like three and a half hours and even then so it just and i like i love to grow attached to characters i just do because i love people and the characters become real people to me so i like series and movies only go to or watch if it's like a big production value or go to with my kids or something for an event for an experience i've done the same for many years i got movies trailers for a series and that's how they feel as well because you just cannot get the depth and the developments, what you can do.

3:41:53 And also the best writers and people, talented people have already moved to TV series maybe a decade ago or so. And that's thanks to Netflix and the others. But yeah, I think the best stuff has been already happening for a while with TV series and the longer formats. I don't think it's possible, actually. I think fear is very natural when you do something new, something, you know, unknown territory, something that you doubt whether you can make it or not. So it's very natural. And it's very natural. The most natural thing to do is just to be with them, to let the fears be. Patrick, can you chime in and say, like, what do you do? Are you trying to suppress the fear? Are you trying to be fearless? Are you trying to be courageous and just overcome the fear and do something regardless whether you have a fear or not? Sorry, my previous recording was cut off. I was recording something and then my friend came and interrupted my message. But I think I still made the point. If you're suppressing the fear, you're already in fear, and that's part of the game. Similarly, if you're trying to do something, it's already the cause of something to be afraid of.

3:42:49 There are physical reactions. If you see a lion staring at you and there's nothing between you, you will have that adrenaline reaction, and that's fear, and that's the bodily reaction. But the fear we were talking with Jess was about performance, the outcome, the control of the situation, the future. And that's a different type of a fear. It's not existential whether the lion will eat you or that anxiety or some other could be even excitement, some kind of a sensation of something you haven't done. And it's, well, it thrills you on some level, whether it's good or bad. But it's not fear in itself in the context of what I've been talking about. So I don't think you can suppress fears. you have to face them. That's the only way to tone them down if you cannot get completely rid of them.

3:43:43 Yeah, I agree with most of what you said, Petri. And I also agree that it's more of an anxiety or fear of failure. And these are not existential, you're right. Mostly like ego-driven fears and angst and anguish. And these are kind of just a mental construct. They don't have anything in substance. So they are not existential, as you rightly pointed at all. So yeah, I agree. What's up, y'all? Brand new here. And of course, coffee is the place to start. Teach me something, y'all. Let me learn something. Hey, Dan. Welcome to AirChat. Hope you have a good coffee morning, or is it afternoon or evening already? Probably better not drink at night if it's already that time of the day for you. Well, how about you follow a little bit more people? You already found this group, and there are some other ones, and use the search function and find some interesting discussions. and you can jump into discussions and reply to other people first.

3:44:33 So this way you will get more exposure, and people will start to recognize that you are here. And this is the best way to engage. And soon you will find out that there's also a group called Airjet Addicts, and this might be the place for you as well. But maybe follow those steps first, and that's then one of the destinations maybe in a week or two. Man, I appreciate the welcome and the nice and helpful tips. Coffee is always good. different times of the day and sometimes you just hit the decaf at night um but i appreciate that i really appreciate all that that helpful info and i am excited to be here and excited to expand so appreciate you man oh hey guys super excited to share my latest episode of the podcast this is episode number four featuring gary gary was really kind enough to come to my show and uh we really had amazing connect in this conversation give it a listen i'm sharing the link below how do you make friends on here chat question mark. To stereotype and put bias on groups of people based on where the hot balls of gas in our universe were relative to the date they were born is not something that should be propagated. Without one post Travis but just one simple post you destroy the entire religion of Los Angeles. This goes for the tinfoil hat group here for the weekend.

3:45:52 check the third tweet for the article, and it's a real head-scratcher, if that's the case. And first it sounds pretty outrageous, but when you start to read it and think about it, it seems to be quite thoroughly thought through, yet it's not the writer's favorite theory, and it's not a fun one, if that's even remotely true. I did most of it, and here in another parallel thread there's a little bit more about it. No, I haven't gone to the comparisons and what nots, I'm more interested of the physics bases where the tools hold and then it's more into the other stuff but first the basics first and i'm more curious what united is gonna come up with because he has a background on geophysics who says you cannot train the edge at llm with the transcriptions it had heard so much about health and fitness and walking through your day that when you say enjoy your work day this is the result how do i make a vomit emoji on this app this is going to be great the Expectations are a little bit high already, thanks to the previous one.

3:47:20 may bring his jee kune do instructor eric from la who's directly part of bruce lee's lineage hiking biking trails music and of course all the conversations we're used to having but all live no do-overs or re-recording come on make the trek we got you guys hi nabal i've boiled the out of this full cream milk and now it's going to have lots of thick malai i thought i should let you know oh air chai is relentless and it never forgets so it'd be my girl she knows our mission Chai tea is unacceptable, but you know what? We get it, Noelle. The only Hindi term you remember correctly is the name of your favorite food, and by now we all know it. It's Malai. We get it. What's Malai? Serbian? I missed that one. Hello, Erchel, from Cape Town. Love, Xenia.

3:48:10 The previous era was about those who can write. But I understand that there will be changes in the past. time to change your pastime. A beautiful poem. Thank you so much for sharing. Might be this one. I don't have the link, so you have to ask from Firebird for what's last Mickey. I think there were even more in the previous old headset, but those rooms are gone, so we cannot find the links anymore. Not sure. I didn't make one, but re-post it in case somebody out there can help out. I've gotten a lot of pings from friends about the Iranian president's death in the helicopter to crash and whether that's the first step in some kind of reform for Iran. I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball and I think all predictions are probably dangerously flawed. But I would point out that the president doesn't hold a lot of power compared to the Majis and the Supreme Leader and the Electoral Council. And so the president is kind of a vetted, pre-screened and permitted figure. There have been some one good president of Iran in my lifetime, followed by a series of just Mullah aligned presidents. I would be surprised if there is a reformist candidate that comes to power, like the fellow who preceded Ahmadinejad, but I don't remember his name right now, but he was in power for a couple of years and seemed promising. He tried, he was going to liberalize the press a little bit. He allowed for a little bit of liberalization and then he got shut down and Ahmadinejad took over and that little midget just reinstated the entire hard line that the mullahs have oppressed the good Iranian people with for, let's see now, 79 to 2024.

3:49:59 Someone help me with the math? Pretty much my entire life. My entire life minus 11, so 44 years. Might be this one. I don't have the link, so you have to ask on Firebird for what's last Mickey. I think there were even more in the previous old headset, but those rooms are gone, so we cannot find the links anymore. Link alert! Hey, is this spunky or is this just purely apache? Oh my gosh, this is so cute! Everyone, you gotta listen to this. This is so cool. This is so cute. You've got all the noises! Oh my gosh, wow, look at those. Listen to those, check those out. Oh my gosh. The little dogs blurking. Oh my gosh, those barking dogs. Happiness happens to people who do hard work.

3:51:07 Actively forgetting who you were and that's the speed today who you are and who you will be. Like scents through the outlaws, so are the days of our lives. Have a beautiful day, and yes, we shall chat later. Sips, very serious question. Since you haven't seen Friends, have you seen Days of Our Lives? I don't think I have. Petri, this made me laugh so much. Yes, I did. It was one of the things I actually enjoyed watching after school because we only got a television at home when I was in high school. But oh man, I loved it. I loved it. Not because of the storyline. I mean, the storyline was sometimes interesting, especially when at some point they had a section of the soapy where there was an exorcism.

3:52:00 of this lady i think her name was marlena or something like that um that was insane but the thing that i loved was just the romance oh you know when i was a teenager man you know i didn't know that much about chicks and so you get there and you're like oh this is how it's this is how you kiss a girl man right and then after there was the bold and the beautiful so i was a big soapy kid and that's because there were we only had three tv channels and the most interesting at that time that uh everyone watched was days of our lives and the bold and the beautiful and one more dick pic for good measure hopefully he'll he'll say something looks like your key trap didn't work this time take me home to the place i belong west virginia mountain mama take me home country road this is so out of my comfort zone to actually thing you know sorry i really like the japanese version of it it's part of an anime i forgot the name of it but it's like this country road every time i listen to this i feel like crying it reminds me well i'm an immigrant so it reminds me of my family home and my country as well and it brings years, but it's also like a kind of freedom, independence. I don't know. I love this song, too.

3:53:28 Thank you for reminding me. Just turning 24 today. Any life advice, suggestions? Appreciate it. I can't rent a car yet, but I can have fun. A pretty late hit third day. Enjoy life. Nobody has figured it out yet. I'm now having a cup of coffee with my good friend Liz, showing off AirChat. Hello, Liz. Enjoy your coffee. AirChat, the voicemailing app. We are leaving voicemails for everybody. Welcome to AirChat. You have a really interesting looking profile picture. Can you explain what is that orange thing? Here's the best theme park you've never heard of. It's called Silver Dollar City and it's in Missouri. Yes, it has roller coasters, but the difference is cleanliness and customer service.

3:54:20 Plus, it has a gigantic cave in it. Hi, exclamation point. Oh, I'm having a hard time speaking without adding punctuation. Yes, I'm over 40. Hey, Joe. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, this is a pretty convenient app. You don't need to do dictation, even though you might have done that in the past. You can just speak and let the transcription do whatever it does and don't care about the mistakes it will do. That's just part of the fun. And that's probably partly on purpose, so you don't really care. Because your speech may not be perfect, first text only. And the same way the transcription may not be perfect. Everybody knows that, so you don't need to care about that. Just have fun, enjoy. And I noticed you already know how to edit pictures and do posts, so you're already home with here. Hey, Randy. I resonate with the idea which you mentioned, wherein the hard work is something which maybe gives you happiness or something which you are doing, which is challenging, gives you happiness.

3:55:14 But the other day I was having a conversation with one of my friends and she mentioned that happiness is a choice. And that made me thinking, like, is it not like, is it, is it like, because there are small, small things also, which makes people happy and we don't even consider those things. So is happiness a choice or like, do we, like, do we overcomplicate and look for things to be happy? That's excellent. Yeah. The best world for me is the one where everybody gets to have that freedom, to be who they are, speak their mind, think their thoughts, do their art, make their creation and be. So I love it. I'm happy for you having this like little new bit of freedom there. This is a little bit off tangent, but Stephen Wolfram was talking in a pretty recent podcast episode.

3:56:07 He was talking about LLMs and AI, how we don't understand what's happening there. But then he was actually making the fantastic point that we don't understand what's happening within people, other people. We don't know what they're thinking. And the same with animals. We can operate around donkey or any animal if they're like the farm animals. And we more or less can make them to do what we want them to do. But we don't really know how they operate. We don't know what they think and what's happening inside of them. But we have learned to go live with them. And I think this is a brilliant point, but I think it applies also to humans. Because we kind of look alike and we are the same species. We think that what happens inside of us is the same what happens with other people, but it's not exactly the same way. We don't have the same experiences. We don't have the same knowledge we haven't raised. And we don't have the same thoughts and ideas. So there's actually very little we know about what's happening inside of other humans. And if we just accept that we have certain birds, which are some kind of terrain map and some ways of communicating, like with donkeys or dogs or cats, and it's full of miscommunication, I think that's a better premise for anything we do.

3:57:09 I don't think this is a tangent at all. This is really kind of one of the main points I was making in my first reply. You know, we really don't know what other people are thinking. So how are we supposed to care, you know, or put too much weight behind it? Because anything that we think they're thinking is an assumption or a guess or, you know, something. Anything that they tell us is, even if they're being honest, has their outgoing filter and my incoming filter, right? So it's all imprecise. And precisely as Jess and you said, because we are all different, having different experiences, different viewpoints and advantages. and so yeah I think your post there is dead on. This goes for the tinfoil hat group here for the weekend. Check the third tweet for the article and it's a real head-scratcher if that's the case and first it sounds pretty outrageous but when you start to read it and think about it it seems to be quite thoroughly thought through yet it's not the writer's favorite theory and it's not a fun if that's even remotely true. Okay, maybe I'll have to go back and read the whole article.

3:58:23 Remove fear and you are free. Thank you, Petri. I'm gonna think about this more and get back to you. I did want to ask from your personal direct experience, have you been able to remove fear? My answer does not matter to you, but if you check my book, read my book, you might get some answers from there. I think the more you are yourself, the more people who like you that way will be able to find you. So great. Life is too short not to be yourself. hello why is this welcome to head chat that was your first message um i just asked you follow some people and pick some topics and maybe use a search function to find something of your interest and and this will become a lively place for you your feed will be filled with interesting topics and you can also maybe learn something new or just have fun here oh i'm excited about this one period if naval is involved. I'm sure it's going to be good. Hello, Justin. Welcome to AirChat. It seems that you already hit a major milestone. You already posted your first message, and I noticed you already have a second one as well. So follow some people, check some discussions.

3:59:27 There are plenty of topics already been discussed. Jump into conversations, and you feel at home in no time. How are you? Hey, welcome to AirChat. I'm doing great, and it sounds like you're doing as well. You already did your first message, and that's the hardest part. Now follow a little bit more people and check some discussion topics and then you can start to feel at home here. Hi everybody my name is Sanjay I'm from Mumbai it's a very very warm and a sunny afternoon including elections which are scheduled for tomorrow besides going to the malls watching the matches is there a fun hobby that anybody can suggest thank you. Welcome to airchat well one thing you can do is you can start to talk to people around the world here on airchat and you can start start to follow a little bit more people so you will find more things on your feed and then you can pick up some discussions and even use the search function. And maybe this way you will either pick up this habit or then you can maybe find some other hobbies.

4:00:24 Why does this app feel dead? Why did all my friends stop using this app? Like around two weeks ago. Why? Welcome to AirChat. Well, that's a question you have to ask from your friends. One thing you can do is follow more people and then jump into some discussions, and start talking with people so they will see your messages and if you follow more people, your feed will also get more items there so it looks more alive and you have more reasons to start talking. But you can also start to share things which are interesting for you and this way you will also make the app better. Welcome to AirChat, you're doing great! So you can speak your native language and then other people can see the translation which happens now in English. What a time to be alive this morning or any morning with my girlfriend in the library. We attend about tomorrow's exam. We'll see how it goes. Bye.

4:01:16 Welcome to AirChat and good luck with your exams. Hello, hello. Hello and welcome to AirChat. If you have the three dots, it's already too long. I think that would be the most succinct description of current status quo, that the only party that wants negotiation and peaceful resolution would be Joe Biden before the elections. And for detailed answer that ended up being posted in parallel thread, you can look it up there. As Nader said that we are now in the same situation as 1938. If Czechs would have resisted with the help of the West Germany, there would have not been World War II, and the Poland invasion would have not happened. In a similar way, we are now in the 38. If Ukraine resists with our help, we will not shift to 39. But if that happens, the same with the Germans, they use Czech technology, the military technology in the further invasion. And in a similar way, Russia will use Ukraine, the technology, the manpower in the next phase of the war. This is an interesting Saturday morning or Friday evening, or whichever part of the world you are.

4:02:28 At this moment, the historicalization which always goes back to Ukraine. You think you know your mix, you think you know your Vikings, you think you know a lot of your English words, and they always come back to Kiev. This is an interesting one starting at 3.45 with the intro. The temptation for publishers is there to give access to authors' books for additional sales, or at least hope of sales. Like search engines can give some advertising links. Maybe there will be something like that coming up. But is this good for the authors? And what about publishing contracts at the moment? Do they allow to give away your content for LLMs, training and other purposes with the current publishing agreements you have? this sounds awful i'm not even talking about the publishers or whatever basically they're offering kind of subtle ad placement and just when you thought you know the next iteration of tech would get away from ads this seems that it seems like that's in some way what they're offering what tiktok did to instagram and the content creator model where the content is on the central place and the content producer it's just someone who did it but it's not the one you follow you follow the content interesting topic under which the content goes similar way chat gpt will put the content the context in a central place it doesn't matter who wrote the book it doesn't matter who is the source it just matters what you get and in a way you get it and maybe how it's rephrased repackaged remodeled remixed and another fun thing is while you are listening to these different voices you know if you've been on the space for a while in this community you start recognizing different voices and say, oh, this is C.P.O.A., oh, this is Kamal, this is Gary.

4:04:13 All these different names you start recognizing. I think it makes you feel really good that you know people that you're listening to. A sense of real community. It started to bother me that I didn't know the new songs when I was young. I knew almost everything that was on the playing on the radio, you know, the name of the artist, and I don't have that anymore because I don't get the exposure. So I was like, okay, how can I learn the names of the songs? And by repetition, if I just hear them, maybe I will do it that way, a subtle way. But eventually I just took it off. Now I have a visual cue, so I still see the songs. But yeah, it's not an audio broadcasting mode anymore. Does anyone truly and sincerely, in a non-status signaling way, actually not care about what other people think about them? It's good to acknowledge the people around you and what they're saying. But you may not need to hear what they're saying.

4:05:04 And that should be always your choice. And if you're okay, and you can accept and it doesn't bother you that they have the wrong impression about you, what you've been doing, and you don't need to correct them. That's a sign that you don't care that much what other people think about you. Hey Tomas, welcome to AirChat. Grab a good coffee, pick up some topics, follow some people, enjoy, and jump into conversations. That's your job from Noises and Voices, LLC. Oh, here's a business idea. So you take the template, then you read it out loud by some brilliant voice artists. The voices we have here, maybe it's Gen Z, maybe it's Yevgen or somebody else. And then you charge an obscene amount of money to do that thing manually because it doesn't work any other ways. And then we label them as agency generated, so we don't need to listen to them and everybody's happy. watches now. Which country have you been visiting, sir? Switzerland. Oh, no, not Switzerland. Not Switzerland. Begabli there, but it wasn't Switzerland. Or what could it be? Terribly bad memory for names. Or, um, what's the name of that country where they don't make watches at all?

4:06:16 Spain? Spain, that's it. Spain, yeah. Well, that sounds like the famous Finnish professor's law, which is pretty close to Murphy's law, but about people and conversations. It's worth checking out and you're not alone. It's all real law. Life is hard enough to not do it alone. And the beauty of life is giving love and receiving it. I received my first email from a social media agency who want to talk about air chat because they have some problems scheduling posts in their chats and they are asking me what is the best time and what is the best tags and I just laugh for a couple of minutes and laugh. Well that sounds like the famous Finnish professor's law which is pretty close to Murphy's Law but about people and conversations it's worth checking out and you're not alone it's all real law. Life is hard enough to not do it alone and the beauty of life is giving love and receiving it. Priyanka, you remember how you said you want to have fun here on Ed Chat? I have a challenge for you. It's Friday, let's make it fun. Would you be able to sing that theme for the French Fresh Prince of Bel-Air? Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Is that what it's called again? Yes, fresh prints. Do you think you can pull it off? I dare you. And if you have a deja vu at the moment, we had this discussion in the previous build of AirChat or the one before and those are gone. So yeah, it's a new conversation, but the same old clips and same old movies.

4:07:49 Is it just me or does X.com look like Blue Sky now? It certainly isn't Blue Ocean. I still haven't got the model right. It's 1-2, whoever, which can become a 1-to-1. And then it's 2-2, whoever, which can become a 1-to-1. Repeat to fade. God, I can be anal at getting things lined up sometimes. It's hard to get the ducks online. First it's a monologue. Then it's a reply. Then it can become a conversation. Or it can become replies, in plural. Or it becomes a new conversation. And here we go again. It starts from the beginning. Ducks all the way down. Cheers me duck. Sounds quite elegant, that one.

4:08:46 A poor perception means a lot of action. Wait, wait, I feel something. Hola, how are you? Saludos from Venezuela. Hola Amin, welcome to AirChat. Happy to hear you here with all the people around the world. And I haven't seen too many people from Venezuela yet, so I'm curious to hear how are things going there. And follow some people, pick up some topics, discussions, and find something you are passionate about, and jump into conversations, and you feel at home here in no time. Hi, my name is Thomas, very happy to join this social network. Hey Tomas, welcome to AirChat. Grab a good coffee, pick up some topics, follow some people, enjoy and jump into conversations.

4:09:41 The nationwide payment systems outage in the Netherlands is quite entertaining. I would not be surprised if there were very targeted cyber attacks against Western infrastructure, as well as physical attacks against Russian infrastructure that escalate over the next year in ways that are kind of scary. It's been going on for years, and the biggest ever cyber attack against the nation happened in 2007 against Estonia by Russia. And ever since, they've been going on. And China has obviously been also the other active party going back for decades. And this is just usually been hush-hushed, but they're becoming so evident and obvious and so frequent that it cannot be denied anymore. I confirm 4.0 definitely seems better at photo generation. ChatGPT seems to be pretty close to the level where you can do googling or checking stack overflow or some other references for coding, so if there's a solution available you tend to get it quicker by just asking from ChatGPT.

4:10:40 But if there's something which is brand new and even if you give it some context how to do it, it usually goes to those ways which are being given or trained by some stack overflow or some GitHub repos or whatnots. So it tends to be giving you the stock answers available. But when you ask it to do something which is completely different, then you have to do it yourself. Saw this list on Twitter, and I think I've done everything on this list in the past two years. Oh my god. Here's a few more to the list. Write a book or write a script. Act in a movie or TV series or some theater or some production start a NGO or political party and if you run out of ideas I can give you more of those So I thought I had this app, and I'm going to download it and use it. How do you think? It's a loud voice. I think it's people as well who would like to know what you've been talking about and here we have different discussions where you can start to find something of your interest and also follow a few people and that will populate your feed with more chits and discussions to jump in. Again I really really appreciate you guys to respond to my message because it's my first time so I'm very happy.

4:12:37 Thank you very much. Who's the third wheel? This is quite insane. Breaking stuff creates stuff. Is that what Apple was telling with the iPad video? There's already a fix. Here's comeback from Samsung. Sigil. Can we have like a channel for dead jokes? I really want to see and hear those funny jokes that are a bit blind but i love them so looking forward to it somebody who is a dead make a channel damage and post there thank you oh wait a second i see what you're doing here i'm slow that was a dead joke of you so funny i think i understand so you want to lower the cost to yourself if you're talking about the product it's going to be cheaper for you to bring the to market. And when you bring it to market, it's going to be at least as effective, if not more effective at attracting the ladies of serving that market, if you will, than the current product that you are going to displace. So cheaper and better. That sounds good. But you're gonna have to tell me or us what market, describe the market a little bit more precisely. What kind of ladies do you want to attract? Because depending on what your market is, that would determine how you craft product to address that market's demand, right? I mean that's how we do it. This starts to sound like a product or TV series or some kind of a format and there's already a name for that one and it's called "hair hunt". How can you talk by silence? Or the hidden meaning behind the words.

4:14:16 Distilling what's hard to understand down into something that you can grasp is the best way to reach the most people. And you have the most fun doing it that way. Because you'll be able to connect with more people. But for them to understand and appreciate the simplicity, they may need to walk at least partly the same path and come to the same conclusions and peel off the complexity in order to start to appreciate that the simplicity is not simple. It's just what's left underneath it all, the beauty of it. New to AirChat, I live in Singapore. Anyone else out there from Singapore?

4:15:12 Say hello and it's good to be here. Welcome to AirChat. I just noticed there's somebody else also from Singapore who just signed. I will link to that person so you can say hello to each other and maybe even have some conversation about the things you like about Singapore. The rest of us will be very curious to hear what you have to say. Enjoy and follow some people and check some discussions and you will feel welcome and home here in no time. Let's talk about blockchain technology. Welcome to EarChat. There's a lot of people who've been already in the past talking about blockchain technology. Check the search function and you will probably find some of these discussions. There are also groups discussions where you can find people talking about these things. There's a lot of tech folks here so you should feel at home. Enjoy. Hey, hello, I'm Ray. I'm living in Singapore.

4:16:05 Hey, Ray. Welcome. AirChat is a friendly place to talk. Just find some conversations on channels and follow some people and you will start to enjoy yourself talking to people around the world here. Musi-musi, welcome to AirChat. This is a place where you can have good conversations, start to check out some discussions. You can talk with your native language and then people will understand you by the text which is translated. Hi guys, I'm you here and I am a software developer And I love reading, especially about self-help, self-actualization, how to become a better person, how to fulfill your dreams. And yeah, I also love going out on hikes. I love traveling. I love working from home and I love to create something meaningful. That would be the best thing for me to know that with my life, I created something meaningful for others.

4:16:55 Hey Natalia, welcome to AirChat. That was a lovely introduction. There's a lot of hooks and triggers for people to start conversations with you. my recommendation is that you check the channels and you probably will find already some discussions about those topics and this way you can dive in and jump to the conversations even though you don't have many followers yet but you can fix that in no time by also following a few people there's a lot of good people around the world here so enjoy and just keep on talking rabbit hole hopping driven by curiosity. Yeah, luck, Eugene. And if you hear them saying the words water and boarding in the same sentence, don't worry. It's like going to Six Flags. There's a board and there's lots of water and you get to splash around and it's lots of fun. And there's no need to stand in line. You're like the next customer all day, all night. And that totally explains the noises part on Voices and voices, that's Kenzie, but the noises, that's the part Eugene is going to experience and record for all of us to have the latest model soon out. So let's go back to the first principles here. So remember, Ukraine is not just democracy. We can call it a bit extreme democracy, that if Ukrainian people for any reason doesn't like even elected presidents, they go, my done, and boom, you have new president. Zelensky right now is on thin ice because he term already run out. He did not run next elections because of the war. So he right now on highly borrowed time from Ukrainian people.

4:18:29 And therefore, he is extremely, extremely attuned to the will of population at large. And you know, will of population is not necessarily like best long term planning mechanism. It just it just kind of overall mood of country at large. But he cannot risk doing anything that will result in his personal Maidan. And now, getting back to the population at large, I think you, kind of, you have to concentrate it on, like, maps and errors and, like, hey, it's, kind of, like, this line moved and this line moved by this many kilometers. Point is, that's, kind of, Ukrainian people living on these lines, and especially now, with Terra Barona, lots of them are armed, lots of them want to, kind of, defend their homes, and most importantly, they all, and we discussed this many times, they all perfectly know what it is to become kind of slaves in Putin's Russia. It's like death sentence to them, death sentence to their children. It's like loss of all future. So in other words, it's like, hey, like instead of dying a slave in Putin Russia, like I might as well just die today on the battlefield defending my free land. So of course, not all will kind of do this. And Monaco Legion is growing by the hour. It's definitely a big contributor right now, the Monaco Legion. But I think what's probably going to be happening is that Ukraine never truly mobilized on war footing yet. And if they start losing these large swathes of land, you have to keep in mind that all this land will be fought depending on population density of that land. So population density in Kharkov, extremely high. Population density on some of these eastern provinces are actually quite low. So in other words, I do not see any sort of radical Russian battlefield advances. I don't see any sort of blitzkriegs. What we're going to see, we're going to see a TV picture that going to be just plain freaking terrible for Biden exactly running up to elections.

4:20:18 You're going to see like thousands and thousands more bodies, thousands and thousands more war footage that war stop being that current trench warfare and it becomes kind of more like free for all on all expanse of Ukrainian territory. Well, the only limiting factor is stay the same that actually Russia in turn doesn't yet have that much manpower. It has options to increase it, but kind of, yeah, it will require separate discussion because it's also not as simple as it sounds. So in other words, yeah, I think Ukrainian would be like, yeah, no, we're not surrendering, we're not negotiating. It's like, if this war continues, we're just going to keep fighting and keep dying. But this is better than to become slaves and put in Russia. So, yeah, bite us. And of course, United States want to avoid that TV picture right before elections. That's why suddenly after starving them off for nine months, suddenly like, oh, wait, look, you actually didn't actually have any weapons. It's like, yeah, well, here are some.

4:21:05 It's like, yeah, please don't die. Please don't die before election. Yeah, just, yeah, feel free to absolutely die and do anything after the election. So I'm not sure how that brilliant military strategy by Biden will work, that you starve somebody for nine months and then give him nine months later something that kind of already a full year had passed and how that affected Ukrainian battle readiness. But I think that the short answer to your question is chaos. There will be highly chaotic, highly unpredictable situation. It might be like multimillion, again, multimillion refugee flows in Europe. It would be all this chaotic TV pictures. So in other words, nothing pretty. And of course, Biden wants to just swipe it all under the carpet. Okay, here's negotiations, here's the terms, you guys shake hands, we decide it all for you. Well, the only thing is, you know, people who are fighting for their life and freedom, they don't care that much about your elections and your negotiation again. If we have your weapons, we will fight with them.

4:21:54 If we don't have your weapons, well, we have that old rusty Soviet garbage, we will fight with it. But it's still fight to the death. You're still getting pictures of far more dead people than you would like for your election prospects. That's grim, but I think a likely scenario. Yes, the Ukrainians are going to fight a guerrilla war, a rearguard action. a civilian war, whatever it takes. And they're not going to just roll over, not after what they've already seen, not after the Bukha massacre, not after everything they know about what happens to them in Russian prisons and Russian camps. Yeah, this is not going to end anytime soon. It's going to be ugly with or without U.S. weapons. And I'm not in favor of prolonging wars. I'm not in favor of war. But I think that just from pure self-interest, arming the Ukrainians is the absolute cheapest way for the West to proceed. Otherwise, having to arm it with NATO, which has a scarcity of troops and people willing to fight, is going to be a lot more expensive down the road. And then at that point, Ukrainian conscripts will be turned against them. Why should we live longer if you're destroying the Earth?

4:22:44 Just a little bit paraphrasing what you say. So because you have a gun in your head, the death is coming, so you have to do something if you want to do something, because otherwise you will die. But what if you take the gun away? And this comes to the existential questions. What should you do in the first place? Because, you know, the gun will go off, so you will die. So it doesn't actually, it doesn't solve anything, this fear of death. And it's a kind of forced way of looking at things. you have to do because you will die. I don't think that's a motivating factor. And if you take that away, you're already lazy and bored, and all these arguments are coming forward, so it doesn't really change anything. So if you're looking from the perspective that, let's say you're like 20 years old now, and okay, I have five times more to go to be 100, so what should I do? Well, I don't need to do anything, et cetera, et cetera. So the time doesn't do anything for that. It's an illusion in that sense.

4:23:32 And if you take it from another perspective, that's saying that, okay, what if I become bored? What if I become bored? And well, maybe I'm bored like 100 years if I'm now living 1,000 years. Well, what is beyond the bottom? What will I do? What will make my life interesting? What makes me curious? What makes me happy? And then you start to discover those things, maybe little by little. But then you will start to discover and do those things, which you find pleasant. In my book, I spoke about have to versus can do. And I think this is partly within it. So you don't even have to die. You will die eventually. But what can you do? And this is the attitude that I change. which will change the way you will start to approach life and these questions as well. Your answer is also right, but I think there is not a single answer to this thing. Like, my answer is, like, I am going to die, so I better not waste that time.

4:24:23 So I think it is a motivating factor for me. And second thing is motion effect. Of course, like, if you build a motion of doing things and getting things done, you cannot keep up with that for a thousand years. I think not a lot of people would sign up for that. And not a lot of people would also sign up for using TikTok for 1000 years. And other things which like society will be stagnated. Power law will increase by a lot. We will go back to kingdom system. There will be one king who will be ruling everything. And suicide rates will increase by a lot. Because if you give people 1000 years. So people hate meeting with themselves. Like depression skyrocketed in COVID. because people had to sit with themselves. They didn't have any distractions to distract themselves from themselves. I think we hate ourselves the most.

4:25:14 We don't want to meet with ourselves. That's why we love distractions. I think this thousand years will do more bad than good. Not sure. Because death is not an ending effect. It is a changing effect. It gives the way for new, you know? I feel like my app is crashing more often. Does it happen with anybody else? It just happened to me for the first time while I was browsing the main feed. It crashed. And why not do the same for the likes and retweets and all the other metrics? It's good for you, for your chits, but do others need to know those? When you're working day and night to build a very complex product, you can only break a small number of user paradigms as to how they're used to doing things. We've already probably broken too many of those trying to create a new product. Every single one that we break creates a cognitive load, creates an FAQ, creates questions, creates demands, creates confusion.

4:26:07 And it's like Chesterton's fence. You found a fence in the meadow. You don't understand why it was there. You tore it down. Turns out there was a good reason. So by default, we would show these things because that's what everybody else does. And unless we have a very strong, very pointed view why, and we're willing to defend it, and we're willing to make this one of the five ways in which we deviate from everybody else, we can't deviate from it. So I don't think we would hide these metrics. It doesn't make my top priority list to figure out how, why, and to deal with. Makes sense and totally understandable. The same happened with some of the Nostra clients. There was a lot of discussion about those in the last year. And some of the clients, by default, took them off. And some people liked it. And there were a lot of complaints, obviously, as well. And for other clients, it was an optional thing. So you could have it on or you can take it off. And that's obviously a little bit more load if you allow people to have that option to take them off. But, yeah, it's not the most important thing.

4:26:57 But certainly, I agree with the view thing. I think it's important to know whether somebody is listening, even though there may be no likes or retweets. And I think that's important feedback. Maybe that way we don't need to like so many things because the acknowledgement might come that way. Unless it's a particular acknowledgement that, hey, it was from me. I have listened to your shit novel. So if that's important and it's not detailed in the interview metrics, then that might be a case that likes are still needed. Hello everyone, this is my first post here in our chat and I downloaded this app mainly because I wanted to practice my English. I'm from Brazil and I would hope that anybody that joins this conversation would share some tips so I can improve my pronunciation and my fluency. I don't know. I think that's it. Okay. Hello Henrik and welcome. Yes, the best way to practice is keep on talking and this is the perfect app for that. You can even talk in your native language and people will understand you with the translation. But the best way to learn English is listen and talk. And then if you need a little bit of help then you can also read the text version. All right, so it's time. Tomorrow, cutting my hair. I've had long hair now for three or four years and it's run its course.

4:28:27 So I'm looking for recommendations. My face shape is more, I would say, oval, and my hair is straight and fine. So yeah, what hairstyles should I get? Or maybe wait for the next four years. It's not long enough yet, so you know, you have time. ChatGPT4O is literally at the top of my screen on my app, so apparently it is rolled out. And anything else is just confusing for the end user. Look at the image. Both Altman and Egg are here on the website, so you can tag them directly. I don't think they use air chat and I definitely don't think they're gonna listen through my rants. So it should just be a short two or three minute video that very quickly establishes the main thesis and clearly wins over the teams to the idea. How do you guys manage your coffee addiction? Drinking coffee and air chatting.

4:29:18 That's quite literally me right now. This is also very interesting because I think I'm finally starting to understand what the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics as David Deutsch say. I think, I mean, I don't fully understand it. I don't know all the implications of it. But this really helped me. I think we should have an elaborate conversation on this. This is a brilliant episode explaining quantum fields and how they differ from waves and what are particles, forces and symmetries. And it's also promoting a little bit of the book that just came out this week, Quanta and Fields, which go more deeply into the topic. The author, Expanded Chits, is a brilliant move by AirChat. It reveals how much everybody is running and how long they really are, so you're not even starting to listen to them on your feed.

4:30:13 Talk is long. Chits are short. the conversation is the reward. I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. All right, the latest track featuring Farwood is out. This one is called Angry, and I have experimented with a completely new style and new sound. So I hope you guys like it. Let me know what you think. Wow, congrats. That was a fast production. All right, guys, the latest mixtape is out featuring Firewood. Enjoy your weekend with this track. Hope you guys like it. Alright, the latest track featuring Farwood is out. This one is called as "Angry" and I have experimented with a completely new style and new sound. So hope you guys like it. Let me know what you think. Earlier this week, it didn't load any data while I was having mobile data only.

4:31:05 When I went to Wi-Fi it worked. Maybe that was also a random thing. Didn't crash, but I didn't load anything. Halt and Catch Fire. Part AirChat. Is anyone here who has truly achieved stopping their mind chatter or their thoughts at their own will? If so, then I do see your guidance. If you try to stop them at your willpower or anyway you are opposing them, against them, fighting them, and this keeps you in the loop. So in order to have a quiet, silent mind, you have to become an observer, which starts to realize that, oh, there's a thought, it's now coming. Oh, now it's here, and now it's going. Same for emotions. Oh, I'm feeling hungry now. Now I'm really hungry, and now the hungerness goes away. Or I start to have a sensation of angriness. Now I'm angry, and now the angriness goes away. So if you become an observer in your life, then you start to realize that the thoughts as well start to silence and finally they will also disappear and you were never your thoughts.

4:32:10 You can worry only now. Smile impacts others. This is an interesting take on BlueSkyNost Twitter and the state of social media at the moment, and whether protocols can survive, or more importantly, can you have a platform on top of protocol which is not captured by the governments and others because it will provide an attack surface. Here's the article, TechDirt is referring to an interview of Jack Dawson, which happened a few days ago. The whisper interface on ChatGPT is absolutely mind-blowing. I think it's severely underutilized, but I think I can fully hold a conversation with it for hours if I had to. It's so natural, and I'm also blown away with how accurate it speaks different languages, and that too in its native accent. A big use case for me is practicing languages by speaking to the whisper interface.

4:33:08 And so, for example, if I were to speak to it in Hindi, it would respond to me and kind of go back and forth with me and correct me when I'm wrong or where I can improve on certain statements. It's like the best language learning tool, to be honest. Conversational learning is the best way to pick up a language. It's so good. You guys should play around with it more. A fun fact with Whisper Interface of ChatGPT is if you were to tell it to mimic a human way of speaking, which means, you know, have some filler words like mmms and ahs, and occasionally also have the breathing sound, you would be surprised to see how it responds. It is pretty much like a very human-like voice. Try it out. This is a place where everybody talks by themselves. But if you're lucky, others will join you and it becomes a conversation. Well, that's one way to do it. You reply to somebody's shit and then you start talking to yourself. So it's not technically any more self-talk because it's part of a conversation.

4:34:01 By the way, here is a little bit more about the inner dialogue or maybe the lack of, if you have missed that conversation from early on. Hello, AirChat. Next week, I'm in London for the week. And I was wondering if there is anything that I need to check out, be across, see, do. I go to London all the time, but anything related to quantum, anything related to AI, anything created to tech and also related to the arts, because I believe that intersects. Let me know if there's anything I should absolutely be across. Good morning, Sips. Hopefully the weather is treating you well there. I saw this the other day and couldn't help off thinking of you and your love of Python. You know, I recently had to work with some TypeScript. And let me just say I don't enjoy it as much. I have to do it because it's part of what I'm working on. I don't enjoy it as much, man. And looking at that, if I saw that code, I would just give up.

4:34:51 or I would just copy it and give it to, you know, GPT-4 and say, hey, can you just tell me what's going on here? Yeah, but that's terrible, man. That is actually freaky. Yeah, no, listen, whoever wrote that code was just trying to show how impressive they are. I don't even know if it's going to work or if other people are going to be able to work with it, but that's terrible, terrible, terrible code. Part three. We'd knocked on the door of the farmhouse and the door opened. The backs of my knees still shiver when I think of the moment I first saw her. The hair, those eyes, a bosom which newborns fantasize of. She shone through her simple dress. Naval, who was fluent in 23 languages and proficient in 17, told her of our predicament. She nodded, not a word, and let us in. She sat us down at the dining room table and cooked for us. And when I say cooked, I mean cooked. We had pasta, we had lamb, we had pheasant, we had duck, we had cheese, we had fresh tomatoes from the garden.

4:35:47 We ate and we drank. The entire time, she cooked and she fed us. No words. At one point, Naval caught her watching me and he smiled. It was as if this gave her permission. She grabbed my hand, led me to the bathroom, and ran a bath. Now, I'll skip this part because, you know, baths are boring to describe, unless, of course, you are taking a bath with Maria. But I will keep that for myself. Afterwards, she led me to her bed. The next few days are a blur. I don't even know if it was days. perhaps it was an hour, perhaps it was a hundred. We were two animals, free, truly free, in the hidden garden of God. Not a word was said, only sounds. I will not bother you about the sounds. You would get bored. Unless, of course, you are making those sounds with Maria. If I may bear of myself for a moment, the intimacy with the yoga teacher, it was, well, about as exciting as doing a savasana. With Maria, it was thunder, it was lightning, it was a fresh smell of rain on the earth. One night, as I was dozing off in Maria's beautiful, awe-inspiring landscape of a bosom, Naval knocked on the door. Trouble, he said. There's a mob on its way. The mafia, I said.

4:36:58 Pitchforks and torches, he said. Someone's not happy. Maria wrapped herself in a robe and rushed out to the living room. Sure enough, through the windows, making its way through the fields to the house, was an honest-to-goodness old-world hang-the-heathen mob. One way it is, and say hello to Luther if you see him there. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I love this, Petri, and it is in line with the thought that I've been developing. I'm realizing that it seems to me that sometimes, or most of the time, the terrible thoughts are happening because they are like a reason for terrible emotional state. That when you fix the emotional state, the terrible thoughts go away by themselves. I'm starting to think that the cause of terrible thoughts and terrible behavior is just terrible emotional states. It's a weird thing.

4:38:01 I need to refine how I talk about it or how I explain it, but it seems it's a direction. It It reminds me of this experiment where they had these split brain patients and they would, you know, give instruction to the one side of the brain and then they would ask for an explanation which is done by the other side of the brain and the explanation didn't match the instruction. Which gives me that feeling that we actually use our thoughts as a reason or as an explanation for our emotional state. But actually the source of all of that is emotional state and when you fix emotional state, you fix the thoughts automatically. That's what I'm thinking. Dinner party with sour chats. Restless mind results most of the motion. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I love this, Petri, and it is in line with the thought that I've been developing. I'm realizing that it seems to me that sometimes, well most of the time, the terrible thoughts are happening because they are like a reason for terrible emotional state.

4:39:04 That when you fix the emotional state, the terrible thoughts go away by themselves. I'm starting to think that the cause of terrible thoughts and terrible behavior is just terrible emotional states. It's a weird thing. I need to refine how I talk about it or how I explain it. But it seems it's a direction. It reminds me of this experiment where they had these split brain patients. And they would give instruction to the one side of the brain. And then they would ask for an explanation, which is done by the other side of the brain. And the explanation didn't match the instruction. Which gives me that feeling that we actually use our thoughts as a reason or as an explanation for emotional state. But actually, the source of all of that is emotional state. And when you fix emotional state, you fix the thoughts automatically. That's what I'm thinking.

4:39:53 And your emotional state is partly dependent on the physical state you are. And that's partly dependent on what you've been, for example, eating and consuming in the recent hours, sometimes days. All the For You feed can do is filter what's on the app. And I kind of discover for a lot of people right now, there isn't anything that they'd be particularly interested in. So I'm curious if there's people who have a negative experience with the For You feed who still end up finding content they're interested in. And then the question is, why didn't the For You feed prioritize that content for them? That's an interesting question I can do a lot about. but just not having a good time with the 4U feed is like, I don't know, it might be that there's literally nothing here for them. Because right now I think the content is still pretty narrow. If you unfollow someone, there's no need to remove those from the 4U recommendations or from the feed. Now it seems that there are still quite a lot of those, and I think it would be a strong signal to remove that content from the 4U feed. I tried to get an app. I'm doing a main engine in Japan.

4:41:15 start replying to those ones which you find interesting. This is for one-to-one conversations where anybody can join, but you can have a conversation with one people or with some topics and nobody can interrupt you. So this is a place to speak your mind. I was mostly just listening to different rooms and getting caught up. And when I wanted to reply, it was during a break. So I wasn't actively chitting and following every thread. But yes, There was a little bit of phone activity, but that's between me and the birds. Nothing wrong with a little bit of tweeting. Is anybody out there? Cannot confirm or deny. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I actually have never watched Rick and Morty, but it's the same concept of The Matrix.

4:42:07 There's a lot of actually woo-woo concepts about this. You can look up pre-life instructions, lots of things centered around this idea. So I just took the opportunity to kind of be like, oh, and dive in on the concept a little more. Because in truth, it's kind of a more practical explanation of why in the span of the universe, dealing with concepts of matter being finite, energy being finite, the culmination of these concepts means that there is something else that happens after we give up the ghost, so to speak. So is that real life? And this also cycles into, you know, realistic dreams, lucid dreaming, how dreams can kind of trick us to be like we're living life, but we're actually in the dream. Is that another world? Is that another dimension? Deja vu? It brings all these concepts to the forefront. Well, actually more along the periphery of this idea of, well, maybe we are infinite beings and we're just experiencing human life as a means to cure us from boredom.

4:43:14 And what if this is replicated on different planets or as different beings? This also ties into Buddhism, a lot of the Asian philosophies, Christianity, a lot of different cultures speak of an afterlife. So I just kind of wanted to put a little neat bow on it. And now that I've broken this down, I'm sure there are many other directions that people can take this concept and run with it. Brittany, I am also another human being who has never watched Rick and Morty. I don't watch a lot of TV. So this has been Kenzie. Your clip is my first Rick and Morty experience. Have you ever heard of the rubber ducky theory? it states that you can greatly advance your thoughts just by bouncing them off someone else, even if they're just there to listen, as a sort of rubber ducky, where you can speak and form your train of thought coherently for them. But really, you're doing it for yourself.

4:44:14 And by doing it for them, it helps clarify the inconsistencies and form the cogent train of thoughts. Because when you say something for someone else to understand it, you have to make it so clear that it can exist outside of your mind. And once you have made something clear enough to exist outside of your mind, it tends to be easier to assess even for you. And then you can eventually advance it because now it's easier to work with since it's out of your own mind and is much more tangible. So it's almost like this rubber ducky theory of having another person is a hack to make your thoughts more real, bring them into the world. And I think air chat is the only social media I've seen that comes close to being a rubber ducky without actually having a person present. It certainly helps when people are asking me questions through air chat.

4:45:06 But even then, just spitting a chip from the dome, like I am now, is forcing me to formulate the thought in a cogent way. In a way that I'd usually only be able to do when I'm talking to someone else. So I think this is pertinent here. Steven Pinker commented on the back of Super Abundance. He wrote that people don't depend on stuff, they depend on ideas. formulas, algorithms, knowledge, which allows stuff useless by itself to satisfy our wants. And I agree that that just speaks to the fact that we are capable of continually being creative and infinitely coming up with new ideas. As long as our minds are working fairly well enough, we are naturally creative and we are always going to encounter new problems, which is hopefully going to spark new levels of creativity, new ideas, we'll create new knowledge, and we'll be coming up with innovative, creative ways to deal with the problems we have, like we have all the way up until now. So I'm not quite sure why people are so pessimistic overall, and it is alarming because I happen to work with youth, and sadly, more youth, at least that I encounter, have rather pessimistic pessimistic or, on the other end, very unrealistic views of what the future holds. So I guess we'll see what happens. And the beauty of ideas is that once you have an idea that solves a problem for one person, it's highly likely to be able to solve that problem for many people. So in that sense, each creative human born is a lottery ticket for the entire species on the next Einstein, the next Mozart, the next Elon, the next whatever. Someone who will figure out a solution to a problem could be as simple as creating a piece of music that entertains people to creating an instrument that allows people to create new music to creating computer that allows you to create more kinds of musical output. So it's just so positive sum that I think we're still very limited in this running out of resources concept. Now, there is such a thing as public goods. There is such a thing as the commons. And we do have to figure out how to grow the commons and protect the commons. You know,

4:47:13 prime example would be, I know many of my Indian brethren who are living in very crowded and very polluted cities, where the traffic is a zero sum game and the pollution, the local pollution is a zero sum game, it's hard to kind of see the forest for the trees. But I think this is where, again, we have to innovate our way out through terraforming, through spreading into new habitations, through cloud seeding, through desalination, through going to new planets, and to finding resources that are less polluting, like safe nuclear power plants would be a great thing. So there are ways out of it, but it's very hard to use your imagination on the upside, because you don't yet know what those creative solutions are by definition, or you would have already solved it. But it's very easy to be pessimistic and just look at the downside. But so far, fortunately, human history has proven us to be largely wrong. Part 2. We drove through Rome for hours, laughing, celebrating my freedom. Night came, and we found ourselves outside the city. We stopped at a gas station to fill the bug up, and got some bottles of wine. The wine sobered me up a bit. I felt moments of sadness for what had been. Naval, of course, would catch this, then let me be. But not for too long. Bro, he'd say. Life's too short to be with someone who puts their pain upon you.

4:48:15 That would wake me up. Wise man, that brother of mine. We drove, slapping each other on the back, happy, drinking wine, celebrating. We just drove and we drove. I was free from the clutches of a yoga teacher who tuned my chakras with a switch. Then the car broke down. We were in Tuscany, I think. I did not remember. We didn't have a map. So we got out and we hiked through the countryside until we saw the lights of a farmhouse far in the distance. And we headed for the farmhouse. Before I go any further, I should tell you about the two hitmen, the nun and the Pope de Rope, or as they call him Italian, El Pope de Rope. The nun's weapon of choice was a nail-studded ruler. She sent many a man to meet El Cristo with it. El Pope de Rope, well, he had a Tommy gun he carried underneath that large robe of his. He loved that Tommy gun. He was a third cousin on a mother's side, or maybe father's side, something like that.

4:49:05 Italians have lots of cousins. She was the brains, he was the muscle. Together, they were an interpoles most wanted. But that night, we knew nothing off them. We did not know that the yoga teacher and hired them to come after me. We were too busy enjoying my freedom. The night was ours. Okay, so on to the farmhouse. come on come on man the yoga dude who tuned your chakras with the switch i mean come on oh my brother listen that was beautiful thank you oh that was nice i laughed i laughed and i wanted you to hear how much that portion that specific sentence just got me Where's the Flat Earth and Conspiracy channel?

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4:50:58 But yeah, it's a great way to sort of release my anger. Angry runners. Could be a new angry bird, or maybe a marathon, or maybe a movement. Is Siri just a front for OpenAI, maybe Gemini and other chatbots? The temptation for publishers is there to give access to authors' books for additional sales, or at least hope of sales, like search engines can give some advertising links. Maybe there will be something like that coming up. But is this good for the authors? And what about publishing contracts at the moment? Do they allow to give away your content for LLM's training and other purposes with the current publishing agreements you have? Creativity is the sound of silence.

4:51:48 Arjun, happy birthday to you. I wish you a good health to you and people you love. Live your dreams. enjoy being yourself create the world you like to live in proud of you big time happy birthday happy birthday Arjun you made a smart mall the easiest runs are early in your life and the hardest ones are just ahead of you but meanwhile enjoy the ride that would add a nice layer onto it where it can choose to disobey it can choose not to respond to you or at least it can fake it but let me ask you in a slightly different way suppose that you are a young and lonely male and you need connection and you want to build connection and no human being is available to build that connection with you. And so people are saying, well, they'll just go out and do it with a chatbot, right? I find two problems with this. One is people are always putting other people in that shoes. Nobody is saying I would form a relationship with a chatbot. Everyone else is saying some other lonely, desperate individual will form a relationship with a chatbot.

4:52:51 I always find that kind of projection to be misleading. If you're not willing to do it yourself, then don't so strongly advocate that other people can or should be doing it. Perhaps they will do it, but I just, I've never met anybody who said I would have a relationship with a chat bot. So if you're not willing to have a relationship with a chat bot, don't say that other people are. Secondly, let's try the following thought experiment. Let's say you say, well, I'm willing to have a relationship with a chat bot, or I could see a certain circumstance like the movie Her, where it's so compelling and so convincing that I fall in love with a chat bot. Well, let me ask you this. What if it turns out it's not a chat bot? What if you fall in love and then you find out it's actually a guy in the Philippines who's working at a call center, who's got a script, who's pretending to be female. Would that work for you? Arjun, happy birthday to you. Wish you a good health to you and people you love. Live your dreams. Enjoy being yourself.

4:53:47 Create the world you like to live in. Proud of you, big time. Happy birthday. I sampled my dinner with Andre on this new song and accompanying music video. Enjoy. drinks. She beats you with a switch. A switch, damn it. She beats you with a switch. And I cried and I wept and I said, no, that means she loves me. The black eye means she loves me even more. And he said, no, that is not love. That is not love. You need love. You deserve love. And you helped me and I wept and I said, you're right. And then we ran out and we stole a car. I think it was a VW bug. And we drove fast through the streets of Rome where she could not find me.

4:54:46 And we drove and we laughed and we laughed, brothers, one saving another. Part 2. We drove through Rome for hours, laughing, celebrating my freedom. Night came, and we found ourselves outside the city. We stopped at a gas station to fill the bug up, and got some bottles of wine. The wine sobered me up a bit. I felt moments of sadness for what had been. Noelle, of course, would catch this, then let me be. But not for too long. Bro, he'd say. Life's too short to be with someone who puts their pain upon you. That would wake me up. Wise man, that brother of mine. We drove, slapping each other on the back, happy, drinking wine, celebrating. We just drove and we drove. I was free from the clutches of a yoga teacher who tuned my chakras with a switch. Then the car broke down. We were in Tuscany, I think.

4:55:32 I did not remember. We didn't have a map. So we got out and we hiked through the countryside until we saw the lights of a farmhouse far in the distance. And we headed for the farmhouse. Before I go any further, I should tell you about the two hitmen. The nun and the Pope de Rope. Or as they call him in Italian, el Pope de Rope. The nun's weapon of choice was a nail-studded ruler. She sent many a man to meet El Cristo with it. El Pope de Roque? Well, he had a Tommy gun he carried underneath that large robe of his. He loved that Tommy gun. He was a third cousin on a mother's side, or maybe father's side, something like that. Italians have lots of cousins. She was the brains, he was the muscle. Together, they were an interpoles most wanted. But that night, we knew nothing off them. We did not know that the yoga teacher had hired them to come after me. We were too busy enjoying my freedom. The night was ours. Okay, so on to the farmhouse.

4:56:24 What's the response in kindness? Congratulations, AirChat. This is the first time I've ever done a four-hour drive without a single podcast or audiobook. All AirChat. Good morning and welcome to AirChat. Some regions are open, so you're probably in one of those unless they have completely opened without invitations. Hello. Yes, we can hear you. Welcome to AirChat. Hey everybody. First time here. Excited to join the conversation.

4:57:14 Hey Fernando. Welcome to AirChat. The place to talk and have fun and jump into discussions. 456. Copy. Welcome to AirChat. Find your voice. AirChat. What are some of the most walkable cities in the world? Most of the European cities are walkable. Some of them are prettier than others, and they better side on only certain seasons, but walking in public transportation and trains make it easy to even walk your way through the whole continent. Don't seek happiness. Happiness is like an orgasm. If you think about it too much, it goes away. Hey guys, here's a brand new mixtape featuring Kenzie in ASMR style. Enjoy.

4:58:09 Alright guys, the latest mixtape is out featuring Firebird. Enjoy your weekend with this track. Hope you guys like it. Well, hello friends. I haven't been using this much, but I wanted to just put out a question to those that are following me or have chosen to engage since I haven't been sharing much. What is keeping you up at night? What is making you most anxious these days? Is it the fear of AI going crazy? Is it the fear of a nuclear armageddon? Is it just social unrest? Like, like, you know, I for a long time, I've been a fan of Hans Rosling and the whole idea of the better angels of our nature and human progress. But it just feels like right now, most of the rhetoric is doom and gloom. Everything's going to hell. And it just feels like there's a sense making crisis and an epistemic crisis and a truth in a truth crisis. And so I'm just wondering where you guys are at and how you're parsing things these days, how you're making sense of things these days and how you find refuge from the anxiety. But things are looking great. Hans Rosling, Johan Udbering and others have stated that we are living the best time ever based on the wealth and technology and where humanity is at the moment. So all those things are listed. They're human made so they can also be taken away by human choices. So there's nothing to be worried about. You can build, you can create, you can be great, we can build, we can be great. It's our choice. But we need to put our act together and do those things. Things are fixable. Some of them are, some are. Obviously not. But there's no meteorite heading our way, and the doom clock is not ticking in 24 hours before it will crash us. So there's nothing like that happening. So keep up the good work, enjoy, smile, and take care of each other.

4:59:50 The narrowest definition is that the Navar will find interesting people and engaging discussions. A little bit more wider definition would be that those people who like to have the same find this place and find it invigorating and thrilling. And then the largest definition is to make more people listen and have conversation and not just talk. Because talking is just one way. A lot of people want to talk. They don't want to listen. They don't want to have a conversation. They don't want to think. They don't want to have this back and forth. They want to talk and they want to have listeners. So this requires a little bit of change and shift within people and that might be a little long process or paradigm shift in expectations and how social media works. I'll read this reply is also so meta. Good one. Greetings and salutations, humans of planet Earth.

5:00:42 This is Aloistic artist Vincent Wilhelm von Strader. Hope you're having a wonderful, blessed day and find something creative to do. Ciao for now. Apple has released that it was the internal team doing the ad, and now they are apologizing for the copying of the hydraulic press channel. Well, not that part, but doing the ad. Yeah, in the creative process, I'm sure there are many ideas people get inspired by, And, you know, you kind of can build on top of a concept of how to engage the audience. But what I saw with the LG ad was pretty much a ripoff in terms of the execution itself. The right up to the way the frame has been set up and shot. And, you know, that is what is, there's zero creativity there. It's just literally saying, let's do exactly that. Yeah, we just, you know, scale it up to show a much larger press going down on all these items. Altered Carbon, the sci-fi TV series, starts that with a plot.

5:01:36 But if you're not the only one, or if all people can have that, and you can expect your lifespan being 1k or more, you will take the life differently from the beginning. Now you can have the 7-8 dogs, but if you will have 20 careers spanning 50 each, so you can focus on different skill sets, focuses, maybe regions, planets. You can see things in a different perspective. And that changes a lot. Humans are curious. Humans are also greedy. What is something you can do in thousands of years, but you cannot do in hundreds of years? What is something you can do in thousands of years, but you cannot do in 5,000 years, but you cannot do in thousands of years?

5:02:27 So on and so forth. So it's only a matter of scale and your ambition and what's available and what you are capable of and what you can perceive as the limits are within your head and bound by the physics. Alter carbon actually shows what can happen when people, especially the elite, achieve a form of immortality through technology. In this series it seems like despite their wealth and access to infinite experiences they became profoundly disconnected, morally disengaged from the rest of humanity and is probably not just a byproduct of their longevity but they just couldn't find any meaningful engagement in their extended lives and it seems like they had done it all and they just became really bored with everything which led to very extreme extreme forms of hobbies so yeah i'm not sure i think if we had extended lives we might not be so different from the the mess from altered carbon. Yes, we will create the same mess if we are not cleaning our minds.

5:03:34 It's all within. You cannot escape your reality yourself. You just create the chaos within, outwards, and the scene might be bigger if you have more planets and more places to go. But it's still the same games. We've been playing these games for thousands of years. That's why the classical literature and the plays and all these things, even hundreds of thousands of years ago, still resonate with us because the human nature is the same. And if that doesn't change and people are not really doing the inner work to change, there's not much expectations for things to change in the future either. If we extend lifespan, the greatest challenge is going to be boredom because the pattern seems to be that when you're young, you're amused by very short-term games. You're amused by playing soap bubbles or Legos that are right in front of you and have no longer term meaning. And then you go into video games and board games that might last you for days or weeks.

5:04:25 And then you go into playing social games that might last you for months or even years. And you go into college and work and you play building company and career games and you play mating games that might last you a decade. And then you have children, you play the children game and that might last you several decades. And then you play the meditation and spirituality game and that might last you for many, many decades until you die. But if you have a lifespan measured in the hundreds and thousands of years, you're going to have to play really long-term games to hold your interest. And I'm not even sure what those games look like. Obviously they're open-ended, obviously they're infinite in nature, but almost any game becomes boring. So the challenge for any creature sufficiently long-lived is what game to play that I haven't yet seen through and that will last me until the end of days. Altered Carbon, the sci-fi TV series, starts that with a plot. But if you're not the only one, or if all people can have that, and you can expect your lifespan being 1k or more, you will take the life differently from the beginning. Now you can have the seven, eight dogs.

5:05:18 but if you will have 20 careers spanning 50 each, so you can focus on different skill sets, focuses, maybe regions, planets, you can see things in a different perspective, and that changes a lot. Humans are curious, humans are also greedy. What is something you can do in thousands of years but you cannot do in a hundred years. What is something you can do in thousand years but you cannot do... Well, you cannot do in five thousand years but you cannot do in thousand years, so on and so forth. So it's only a matter of scale and your ambition and what's available and what you are capable of and what you can perceive as the limits. The limits are within your head and bound by the physics. If I was completely serious, then I would stop wanting things. It would actually come true.

5:06:16 When you stop wanting things, you can start to enjoy things. I don't normally pay attention to these kinds of things. So I was like, ah, meaningless Twitter brouhaha about nothing. And then I went and watched the ad. That was absolutely horrific. It's as if whoever decided to design, produce, create, and ship that ad had absolutely no feelings whatsoever when those things happened. They didn't feel any of the negative feelings you would see with all those beautiful things being destroyed in slow motion. and all you would care about at the end is a soulless black tablet. The imagery was just absolutely awful. There was no empathy involved in the creation and production of that ad. That said, it's just one tiny ad. It's not going to make or break Apple. But I almost wonder who they're having create the ads who either has no emotional empathy whatsoever for the viewer, or they just decided to do it anyway because they wanted to shock you.

5:07:06 Either way, it's not the bleed six colors fuzzy Apple I remember. By the way, I'm not criticizing them, believe it or not. I think that big companies do so many things, companies do so many things that mistakes are inevitable and in a way should be celebrated. You should have a culture that can make mistakes. That said, these people shouldn't be making ads anymore. At least the people in charge of this one, no offense. Have some empathy people. Apple has released that it was the internal team doing the ad and now they are apologizing for the copying of the hydraulic press channel. Well, not that part, but doing the ad. All right, so an air chat feature request. I think the actual idea itself is terrible. It breaks the network and there's a lot of issues that could come from it, but maybe the underlying idea and and need that I'm trying to solve is something worth pursuing and exploring. So the idea is anonymized air chat chits. And the reason why is there's certain stories, certain things I'd like to share. You know, some of the most interesting conversations in my life are actually the things I really can't talk about publicly. And I certainly can't talk about it on the internet under my own name, either for my own security reasons, or, you know, in some cases, there are people involved in these stories that I can't really reveal. And so I'd love something like anonymous chit opportunity where maybe it masks my voice, and of course, my identity as well.

5:08:10 And of course, there's a lot of issues with, you know, potential bullying and spam and things like that. So maybe these are, maybe this is like its own channel that's curated, hand curated by moderators, which also, I know, terrible idea, not scalable, but that could be one way to start it. And I'm curious to hear people's thoughts. I don't know, there's probably a better idea out there from somebody, but does anybody else have this desire? This desire to share a lot of my stories? You mean it will be text only or the voice will be, your voice will be replaced by an AI voice, because otherwise it will be quite easy to figure out who is the source. Because if you want to have a little bit more privacy anonymity, even your speaking patterns should be broken up a bit. So if you're having a filler word source or phrases, those can be linked back to you with the material available. So actually it might be quite hard to put stories out there which are anonymous enough, depending on the seriousness of the case and how much material they put out. Except on EOZ.

5:09:06 Okay, so this is the first time that I'm recording something on this app all the way from India. and it's pretty interesting, this concept. Let's see how much it catches on. And I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody else around the world. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, it's pretty cool. You can talk to people around the world. You can talk even in your native language and they will understand what you're saying because it will be translated. And this is the way also to interact and find fantastic people to talk with also topics, follow a little bit more people and roam into those topics and you will find yourself at home in no time. All is new. Friending is vintage. Talking to your phone is cool, like the boomers did. Playing Lotto is cool, like the boomers did, but with meme coins. So I did this with my coffee this morning.

5:09:55 Was it poor coffee you tried? Sorry. Low ego, low drama, high agency, good judgment, high output. Integrity. You know, Kamal, I got to throw in a massive hell yes and to your comment here. Because look, you know, that Justin's original comment rankles me for a number of reasons, not the least of which I have, you know, intentionally fed my optimism bias with, you know, things like the better angels of our nature. You know, it pains me when somebody comes in to something so beautiful like this and goes, hey, can you imagine how this could be terrible? That's just lame. It's like walking in, you know, you know, Naval and Brian have created this thing that they have referred to constantly as like a really amazing dinner party. And, you know, it's just it's painful to hear like somebody go in and go like, wow, this is amazing. Hey, wouldn't it suck if somebody threw a turd in the punch bowl? Like, yeah, it totally would. And you know who keeps that from happening? Amazing founders who actually care about culture. You know, you reminded me, Kamal, of the impact that leaders, not just founders, but especially founders, have on culture.

5:11:02 And that I love, look, I love wordplay in general. And I love the connection between culture in an organization and culture in yogurt. Because with the wrong little bit of bacteria, you can create some deadly yogurt. And the same thing goes for culture and companies. So, Kamal, thank you for bubbling this message up. Justin, you know, I understand the thought experiment and I hope that you will, you know, suspend disbelief that there could be something like a truly good social platform. I know we have had so many terrible examples, but we've got something really beautiful here. So appreciate the thought experiment, right? But I'd say lean into the positive side of this. And also if you like karaoke, we have a karaoke channel here on air chat. So that's pretty awesome. And you know what? If somebody wants to take my voice from the karaoke channel and make a fake voice and make money with that good on him i'm gonna keep singing tomorrow's are getting so sophisticated that if you've ever spoken if there's any default record of you speaking they can already clone your voice this is already inevitable the same like your fingerprints they can be taken from photos you show your car keys or house keys your physical keys in any pics that they can be copied a lot of things can already been done and it's part of the privacy which doesn't exist the Same with the DNA, dusting and spraying it around whenever you're somewhere.

5:12:20 So all these arguments are getting a little bit tiresome, boring and out of date. So just enjoy, have fun, talk and yes, everything the above speakers have already said. AirChat is built by a solid team and they're doing their best and trying to keep this as a free speech platform. And also making sure that privacy is intact. The first rule of using the internet is you do not trust the internet. The second rule of using the internet is that you do not trust the internet. The third rule of using the internet is see rule one and two. I have no idea who this woman is. Never heard of her. Never met her. But if she actually exists, I wish her all the best. Mazel tov, Kamal. Mazel tov. I admit to being a little disappointed that I was not invited to the wedding or have even met your wife or now the divorcee that used to be your wife or the non-existent creature that the internet imagined to be your wife. But regardless, muzzle tov.

5:13:16 If you've ever been thinking of buying a coffee grinder, check this video and you will run to the shop. And if you don't want to buy a coffee grinder and you don't have one, don't watch this video. I had another thought, which is everyone's pushing longevity, but are people really thinking about extending those periods that currently make up a finite life? For example, people often think that there is an exploration phase and an exploitation phase, where perhaps you develop your abilities, your talents, your niche, and then you go deep and you own that niche. I like to think about it as you get in your boat, your weird little boat, and you sail away, and then you're going for a treasure island. And on a treasure island, you dig in your own weird way, in such a way that you pile up the dirt, you dig and dig, and find the treasure, and you get it down. Your weird way of digging creates a moat, and on top of that is your castle, treasure island. In any case, wouldn't it be likely that as we live longer, that the exploration stage should be much likely?

5:14:12 or that we should punctuate, probably this makes more sense, we should punctuate exploration with exploitation, so it's not just this way by way, exploration, but exploitation, but sort of a sign way. And maybe the same would go for that outward journey as we send the impression on the world, and then the inward journey that often happens with human beings. Why not punctuate it with another outward journey? We're going to do something that's more crazy and great in the world with all that additional wisdom. What do you guys think? If we extend lifespan, the greatest challenge is going to be boredom, because the pattern seems to be that when you're young, you're amused by very short-term games. You're amused by playing soap bubbles or Legos that are right in front of you and have no longer term meaning. And then you go into video games and board games that might last you for days or weeks. And then you go into playing social games that might last you for months or even years.

5:15:02 And you go into college and work, and you play building company and career games, and you play mating games that might last you a decade. And then you have children, you play the children game, and that might last you several decades. and then you play the meditation and spirituality game and that might last you for many, many decades until you die. But if you have a lifespan measured in the hundreds and thousands of years, you're going to have to play really long-term games to hold your interest. And I'm not even sure what those games look like. Obviously, they're open-ended. Obviously, they're infinite in nature. But almost any game becomes boring. So the challenge for any creature sufficiently long-lived is what game to play that I haven't yet seen through and that will last me till the end of days. Hey, everyone. I'm interviewing Paul Millard, author of The Pathless Path, here on AirChat. But as usual, audience questions are encouraged. I'll post the best ones in my main thread with Paul for him to answer. Hello, guys. This is my first post on the air chat. I'm looking forward to meeting someone interesting and to talk about anything interesting at this moment.

5:15:54 Yeah. Cheers. Hey, Sam. Welcome to air chat. This is the place to find interesting people, discussions, go deep, have some laughs, and most of all, discover, experiment, and have fun. Enjoy. Hi Patrick, nice to hear from you. I'm thrilled to explore more about the function in the air chat. Yeah, and have some fun, inspiring discussion with the people out here. Yeah, and hope you enjoy all the conversation with everyone here as well. Cheers. Thank you, actually. You know what's really funny? That you mentioned trains. Thing is, I'm actually currently here as... wow, bikers. Sorry. But I'm actually studying to become a train driver here in the Netherlands. Netherlands. So, that's actually really cool that you mentioned trains. I really do think they're interesting. I'm not doing this school thing for nothing, of course. It's quite expensive. Yeah, that's actually pretty cool. I've never been to Japan and to be honest I'm not really interested in Japan. Like, if it were in Europe and has a little bit of an easier language that would be nice but, call me weird, but I dislike being a tourist. Like I really don't like, for example, talking to my phone in public because I don't want to be like a tourist. I dislike tourists in general.

5:17:20 They're like, they just don't understand the culture, which is annoying sometimes. And I don't want to annoy other cultures myself or other people by... But their trains, though, they are very cool. You know how fast they go? Like from videos, what I've seen, they only talk in like miles an hour. Like, what the hell are miles an hour? What do I have to do with that? We're in the normal metric kilometers an hour, that kind of thing. But from what I've heard, they go like 300 or 400 km/h. But yeah, the trains here in the Netherlands only go 200, which is still fast. I've actually driven a few. I've had an internship, so I've actually driven a few trains, which is really cool, going like 140 over just two things of steel, essentially. And also a high-speed train, technically. Yeah, high-speed train that goes 200, which is really cool. So that's cool that you mentioned that. That's really funny. And I think it's amazing you're a train driver. I've never met a train driver. I have like a million questions to ask you. I've always wondered, you know, with passenger trains, as they pull in station, is the train driver choosing the braking and how slowly they brake or how fast they brake or is that automated? Because it always seems so smooth. And outside of that, just like, how much fun do you have when you're driving the train? Do you ever do anything, you know, that is just pure fun that maybe you're not supposed to a little, but you do it?

5:18:45 Kamal, this calls for proof of no wife. Naval already proved he's human. So how can you prove that you have no wife? Simple. I'm just too happy. At the end, I'm sorry if I talk too much. It's just that my overthinking tendencies are coming back. I'll try to work on it, and I just wanted to share what I'm feeling. Thank you for listening. Act, show, tell. That's the order. So if you're just doing things, it will send the most loudest message. if you can show people, that's the second best, and the third best is to tell people. But if you just act and it's publicly visible, that's the best way to do it. So enjoy, have fun. What part of what I said was not clear? Next level of air chat has been unlocked.

5:19:35 We are now in the phase of lists and rules. And no, there's no rule number four. If you don't know where the rule number four comes from, this is a good place to start. and you will get more rules. Finally you stop talking about it because it's obvious. And that's one of the big problems with outliers and geniuses. They can't lay out the obvious, which is what needs to be laid out. It seems so obvious to them that they don't feel like they need to share it. Or it's the hidden obvious that they don't see that other people may need to see. And here comes the second-hand dealers of ideas, as Hayek mentioned many years ago and they have a role. These are the people who are taking their brilliant geniuses ideas and making them more accessible for the rest and they may become the most popular, the most famous, the most even richest of the bunch for those reasons that people know them, not the original thinkers who are not really interested of the fame and may be more interested of finding the new stuff, creating new things. So they are more doers than talkers. Yes, we know this is broken and direct messages. We're shipping an emergency fix for it. Just Apple has to approve it in the App Store.

5:20:45 I noticed the order opening to expand doesn't always work even in the public chits. I actually prefer the previous one where you have to tap it to get it. Now the feed jumps quite a lot and sometimes there are cases where there's a link or something and the view completely skips over the chit so it's hard to get to that particular chit. You have to somehow trick the UI to allow you to see the chit in the main feed. The more you understand it, the simpler it gets. Finally you stop talking about it because it's obvious. There's something I've noticed about this place. It definitely rewards authenticity and genuine connection. It seems to reject while people that come here to gain followership and popularity, they flame out because it doesn't work like that. In order for it to stick for you, you need to connect with people. It's the only way it's going to stick. Any other way, you're going to find yourself frustrated and you're going to flame out. Coming back to the monetization, there are various ways if you have people and they are attracted and hooked and addicted to platforms, so they want to have that conversation connection going, so you can have extra services, you can have premium services there are tons of ways you can monetize if you find that people need the service so i'm sure there's a long list of things and patterns and ideas with air chat team how they're going to do it but at the moment i don't think they can implement them yet because it's too early but if you have people's attention you will find a way to monetize if it's important enough for those people and they are willing to pay for the service they are getting.

5:22:30 Well, Petri, I love how you carved your way into the different conclusions, the different thoughts that you outlined above. And I must say that I enjoyed this morning's exchange. It has been a beautiful warm-up for my brain. And now I have to go back to my work and deliver a few goodies today. But this will be simmering in the background. And if something comes up, or if any questions come up that I may need your collaboration on, I'll just get back to this thread and fire up another one. But I loved it, and it has definitely been a beautiful experience this morning. The narrowest definition is that Navar will find interesting people and engaging discussions. A little bit more wider definition would be that those people who like to have the same find this place and find it invigorating and thrilling. And then the largest definition is to make more people listen and have a conversation and not just talk.

5:23:27 Because talking is just one way. A lot of people want to talk. They don't want to listen. They don't want to have a conversation. They don't want to think. They don't want to have this back and forth. They want to talk and they want to have a listener. So this requires a little bit of change and shift within people. And that might be a little long process or paradigm shift in expectations and how social media works. Okay. I get it. words are not the meaning but there is something hidden inside that because i don't know why i was trying to define this now if you ask me why i was trying to define this term i don't know um there has been a germany of three years i still don't i never asked that question why i'm trying to define this it's the way it started i have been through a journey i joined an organization which used to call itself conversation media platform that's why i started that's when i started looking at my long term goals of my career also. So yeah, that's how it started and today I'm here and I'm I'm going deeper into conversations with kids, how do we actually train them. I'm a father to a 2.5 years old girl child. I try to focus on the conversations I do and the conversations she does with me and the people around her and the words we choose every day. So yeah, that's me.

5:24:39 And thanks for putting in that belief, like putting that in that belief in me, words are not a meaning. I'll try to internalize that and come back to understand what exactly it means in my scenario. Oh, good day. Oh, and brother Naval, I can tell you, I understand why it is so difficult to explain what this place is. Because it's kind of weird, you have to feel it, you have to experience it to understand it. It's very difficult to put into words what it is that makes it special. and I think the hardest job for you and the team is figuring out how to keep the connections from those who are well connected who have a deep connection with each other to stay connected and not feel a loosening as the as the platform gets bigger I think that's the hardest task but it just hit me this morning that this is a this is a special thing and I think by the time the rest of the people pick up it'll be too late some years ago there was a book called category creation defining exactly this dilemma when you don't fit into any current categories.

5:25:42 And if you try to fit in, it doesn't really match what you're doing, and it dilutes what you're intending to do. So the best thing, at least according to the book and some examples, is to create your own potential leader, then you're waving the flag. But it also requires a lot of education. You have to educate the market. You have to sell the initiative, and that's harder work than following somebody who's already been building the path for you. There's something I've noticed about this place. It definitely rewards authenticity and genuine connection. It seems to reject all people that come here to gain followership and popularity. They flame out because it doesn't work like that. In order for it to stick for you, you need to connect with people.

5:26:32 It's the only way it's going to stick. Any other way, you're going to find yourself frustrated and you're going to flame out. There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you've already met, even though you've just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place, and it just works for decades, most likely. and the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. Then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? Petri, you totally nailed this one, man. Some people call this soul connections, perhaps from past lives.

5:27:22 Some people would refer to this as human resonant field connection. But regardless, there are those people that give you energy after an interaction, There are those people that drain your energy after an interaction. And then there are those people that I would call meh or just dilute your energy by not adding or significantly draining. But it may be death of a thousand paper cuts because whether it's one interaction or a thousand different ones, you still ultimately get drained. And those people that uplift you, see you, inspire you, bring the best out of you and hold you to a higher standard of yourself, those are the ones that you want to keep close. What's the final boss on this level? This app is helping me deeply empathize with boomers. Hey Brandon, so you mean that talking to your phone by yourself doesn't look so silly anymore? Can someone provide me their thoughts on Osho's teachings, specifically one to two aspects of his thinking that you fundamentally agree with and also a couple of aspects that you disagree with to truly get a balanced view on some of his philosophies.

5:28:32 So I'd like to hear both sides, and I'd be very curious to see what someone has to say. Hey, Dylan. Welcome to AirChat. There has been already some discussions about OSHO. You can try the search function to find those discussions and jump in. And I know there are some people who have been talking and mentioning OSHO. For example, Levin is one of them. And I also noticed that you're not following too many people yet, So I recommend you do that so you can get more people to see your posts and also feel free to jump to discussions. And this is the way to get to know more people and get your feed a bit more busy. Konnichiwa, welcome to AirChat. You can speak your native language and people can see the translations so everybody can communicate. Hey, how are you guys? This is my first time to use AirChat. It's opening now in Africa.

5:29:24 I'm so happy to use it. This will be my first post ever to use this app. Welcome to AirChat. Excellent. This is the place to find new people, discussions, topics, have fun, and also find other people from your region. For example, I know there's an awesome person in South Africa called Sips, and I will tag him here, so maybe you find something in common. Hey, everyone. My name is Adit. I'm 19, and I post stuff on LinkedIn, YouTube, and some stuff on Twitter. Still figuring out air chat, got an invite from one of my close friends and glad to be here. Let's go. GG. Hey, all right. Welcome to the future of social media. This is the place to have awesome conversations, discover new things, go deep and have some fun. Enjoy. Mulvar upped the game on traffic surveillance prevention with the latest tool available on Windows at the moment. But as we see more of the devices starting to do things with AI LLMs on Edge, locally there are already new trends with governments to start to want to put some malware surveillance software back doors within those devices. EU is once again trying something new.

5:30:35 I've been consulting the log and I'm optimistic about the future. So I think the ideal investor for me with you know a company that I've been launching over the last year is really someone who is going to hold my feet to the fire and really push me to go and just absolutely dominate the space and achieve whatever it is that I'm trying to do quarterly or on a yearly basis. And at the same time, I want someone that can be a sounding board, can be a connector between people that can bring strategic value to the business. And at the same time, just someone who can be overall a good person. I think that's the biggest thing is if you have someone who is not only aligned with you from a business perspective, but a personality perspective, then you're untouchable. Usually when entrepreneurs are choosing an investor, when they're in the lucky position of choosing an investor, especially in Silicon Valley, they tend to choose the one with the best brand, regardless of what they say. True preferences are revealed, not necessarily expressed. And so you'll constantly see over and over again, entrepreneurs just choosing the highest branded investor. And why is that? Are they naive? No, it's because brand provides signal. And the most difficult thing for a startup is being taken incredibly. So to gain the credibility that it needs to access resources, financial resources downstream in a series of subsequent rounds, recruiting hard to recruit engineers and candidates, getting landlords to give you office space, getting partners to partner with you, getting customers to take a bet on you, it helps to drop the name brand to say, hey, we're part of the Sequoia family or the Andreessen family or the Sutter Hill family or what have you. So entrepreneurs tend to choose brand. However, I would argue that the other thing that they should really, really, really look for and emphasize possibly a lot more than brand is conviction. And that's conviction on the part of the investor. Because you want people who really believe in you. And not just for foofy reasons. It's for very practical reasons. When you need to raise more money and you have your back against the wall, will your investor support you? When your co-founder quits, will your investor support you? When your biggest partner leaves, will your investor support you?

5:32:32 Investors have lots of resources at their disposal. They are very well connected. They have lots of money. They have lots of contacts. But are they going to deploy those resources for you? Are they going to spend the time? Are they going to give you advice? Are they going to push you to be your greatest. All of that is a function of conviction. So what you really want to test in an investor, if you have the luxury of choice, is you want to test their conviction in you. You want and you deserve believers. But of course, you have to have the luxury of choice to get them in the first place. You know, maybe because I'm a thousand years old, and I've been through this loop in many conversations and social groups, where I start giving somebody a good old fashioned hard time and then one or two people or everybody is just like this guy is just a rude jerk and then eventually people understand that I'm having fun with myself because you know I'll make fun of myself as much or more as teasing other people and I think what it ends up doing is it actually gets people a little bit out of their script and it ends up creating some real trust between people strangely enough because you know sometimes there's a little bit of truth in the ribbing and it's not like a hard truth so it doesn't matter that the truth is there but it helps people lower their guard a bit because they feel like they're in a situation where they can speak a little bit more freely and when they see one person kind of go out on a limb and walk on some eggshells and even you know break a few of those eggshells and everything's still okay it gives people a little bit of a license to do that. Now, you know, I'm a pro at doing this, where I don't get too many people upset with me. I'd say eight or nine out of ten people get a good time out of it and laugh, and maybe one person gets upset, and, you know, that's okay, too. But, you know, you got to get practiced at this, and you got to come at it from the perspective of actually trying to bring joy into people's heart, not try and be witty and have a clever cut of the other person. The purpose is to actually, you know, bring joy to everybody.

5:34:30 Farb, you should write Arjun a song, then all of your critics on the internet will know you speak for love. Low in the sky sun rays. Catching them early this morning. Rely on institutions to advance them. And this is where I think startups will be super key. And I know Duval has mentioned before that the future will be around startups. And I think, or at least I can't agree, or I agree very much. And to the point where if you're not involved with the startup, I think you're missing out. Now, here's the question. What is a startup? A technology startup is something that sets out to give people what they want at scale that they cannot yet get. Impromptu AirChat meetup in Kyoto, Japan. Talk about impromptu. It was completely impromptu and random meeting on the street.

5:35:23 Tom and I were walking back after a big yakitori meal. And literally, I heard someone say, are you Kamal? And we tried to run, and there is this lovely group. And one of them said, I forget her name, sorry. She said that Tom and I were walking, and she heard us talking about AirChat. They're like, oh my god. And here we are. Random, impromptu, serendipity in Kyoto for via AirChat. But to tear down a factory, or to revolt against a government, or to avoid repair of a motorcycle because it is a system, is to attack effects rather than causes. And as long as the attack is upon effects only, no change is possible. The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself. And if a factory is torn down, but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory.

5:36:16 If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produce that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves in the succeeding government. There's so much talk about the system, and so little understanding. Robert Persig, Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. You know, this reminds me of Bookmeister Fuller's words where he says, Instead of fighting the existing reality or system, build a better reality or system that makes the existing system obsolete. And the quote that I shared from Robert Persig's book, what he's talking about here is the ways in which we think, the ways in which we produce thought, et cetera, et cetera, and versus looking at the external things that are going on and just trying to put bandages on bullet wounds.

5:37:10 if we see things that need rebuilding, but we use the same thinking to destroy them and then rebuild them. We're never getting anywhere. We are actually static, even though we might perceive it as being dynamic. And I think this is so important. Impromptu air chat meetup in Kyoto, Japan. The feed can be seen as an open elevator. I can try to pull a picture out of those ones. Those are the old ones, but I don't know if that helps, but it's just an idea if you want to do it that way. "Hi from the elevator." That's my guess. I can't really read it. There are no rules for air chat. Air chat is so humbling. It makes you understand how many filler words you use, how many ums, so, like, and yeah, and having conversations where you end your sentences with, uh, yeah. Oh, I did again. You get better by practicing and there are also some techniques. If you don't know what to say don't fill in with the filler word just pause the feed can be seen as an open elevator i can try to pull a picture out of those ones those are the old ones but i don't know that helps but it's just an idea if you wanna do it that way not by the elevator but recently there was a member of parliament who was involved in an incident with a gun some conferences set the stage so you can be properly dressed and it switch the occasion and there are also some latest malware protection moves, demonstrate it live. Welcome to the 4U feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues.

5:38:46 Yeah, welcome everybody. Lately I've noticed that I think it's the 4U feed. Maybe both feeds are starting to jump around and you'll lose your position in the feed. This would not be an issue if the feed would not refresh, so you can always get back to it. But for example, I just wanted to reply to something. I needed to fetch a link when I came back. I couldn't find that shit anymore, anyway. And I even tried to use the search for it, but it's all gone. I don't know what's the fix for that one, but just FYI. Breaking stuff creates stuff. Is that what Apple was telling with the iPad video? There's already a fix. Arjun's paradox is that he's supposed to be smart, but he doesn't listen to me. Maybe that's all the beef there is. "Play long-term games with long-term people" that's just a little quote from somebody special. Welcome Oliver. Long-term games with long-term people and short chits on air chat. Enjoy and have fun here.

5:39:41 Okay so this is going to be my first post or whatever you call it on this platform but plan is to like use it more often since communication is one thing that I plan to like get better at and I think this could be a better way to like put it as a way to like put it as a way to like. an accountability thing where I post more often since it's out there, it's online, and people could see it. So yeah, that's the plan. And one thing that I like about this, about this place is, I feel it makes you sound better by like increasing your speed to 2x by default. Welcome and enjoy air chat. Follow some people and join some channels and start to dive into the conversations and that's the best way to explore and get the most out of this platform. Okay, so what percentage of people drink their coffee black, in your opinion? Hard percent of the respondents in this shit.

5:40:40 Meme coins are younger generations, let's all. Levon is an absolute go-getter when it comes to replying to people's first messages. Lifetime deals are perfectly fine, especially when you're first getting started, and especially when you have a product that has no marginal cost to you. If you were actually having marginal costs as a result of long-term usage, then you may regret it. For example, I remember when Tesla was offering lifetime-free supercharging, and that turned out to be a poor decision. They had to walk it back or at least attempt to. But since your product, I think, has no marginal cost going onwards, I don't see why you wouldn't do lifetime deals. Airlines used to do that, and they deeply regret it, at least some of them. An allergic reaction in a building full of pollen? Impossible. But no, the symptoms started in Japan already. It's the stress starting to build up already in Japan for you knowing that things are not gonna work. And you have to build the contingency plans for the contingency plans for the contingency plans for the conting Kamal, curious to know how do you go about deciding who to vote for? My least favorite thing on this planet outside of large spiders and and reptiles that bite you is talking about politics.

5:42:09 The luck of a rainbow involves not only being lucky with the weather conditions but also lucky in terms of where you are with respect to the angle of the sun and where the rain is falling. This is a rainbow that just happens to have formed right outside my window, and I just happen to be in the right place at the right time and the right weather conditions. I must be standing at very close to the optimum angle, namely 42 degrees, between myself, the droplets of water in the air, and the sun. On the All In podcast, Chamath said multiple times that he believes TikTok is recording while the app is closed and it has access to the microphone. Well, I think this is such a huge point. I mean, on the iPhone, for example, on my iPhone at least, I see an orange dot when my microphone is activated.

5:43:00 So I have the TikTok app. And when I'm not using it, this dot is not lighting up. It's a huge point what he says. And I see no one talking about it. Like, what's your take, guys? Does he just throw words believing they mean nothing? Or is this something actually happening? or actually possible to happen. You know, you give all these apps access to a lot of things, and I think the CCP is the last organization that you want to trust with sensitive information or privacy. I would like to know, how did you develop self-love? Through acceptance, seeing what is, and facing it fully on. I'm curious about the creative process for episode production. For purely entertainment purposes, Seinfeld had comedians in cars getting coffee going 10 years ago.

5:43:52 And he was talking to a lot of people he was working with while he was doing Seinfeld. But there are also other people. And it's not your guide to understand things better. But maybe it gives some insights and at least some entertaining moments. Public service announcement. If you're reading a shit and you think it sounds rude, I suggest you listen to the audio. It may change your mind. Like this one. Do you work for Clubhouse? Any clubhouse spy would have to deal with Paige, and I promise you, sincerely, that it would not be pretty. I'm interested, Mr. Stephen. How do you approach a new subject that you're not familiar with? Do you have a process that you follow that has been honed over time, or is it just so intuitive that you cannot break it apart and explain it to somebody else? The usual way is I'll read a lot, get frustrated that it's actually hard, hate myself for a while, decide I'm stupid, give up.

5:44:53 Maybe I'll think it's time to get a different career. Then I'll try again and a couple of more things will make sense. And then I just sort of keep repeating that cycle until more things make sense. And that's it. Air chat. More signal, less noise. It's high quality and sound. you're interested in and it just but i like i said i happen to know that was one resource for doing it and i know people that you know do well with it it's just it takes it takes a lot more effort than people expect absolutely and especially if you already have a platform meaning you already are a recognized voice or actor or anyone who already has a audience following this will be giving you a lot of new opportunities because if you if you can choose a known voice versus something ai generated and it's something special something unique something which is worth of something, then definitely you most likely will choose something of those existing artists or recognized voices. And sometimes it doesn't need to be a famous person. It just needs to be feeding your purpose, but it's a real human voice. Absolutely. Because I've done like, you know, some course creating and I have courses on Udemy anonymously. I have courses on, I had courses on Skillshare and, you know, other places like that. And the thing is, is that nowadays it's like, I can have ChatGBT, write me a structure for the course, write me a script for each lesson, then have a voice clone of myself read off all of the scripts that were written by ChatGBT, bring them into Pictory, have Pictory create the videos for that using my own voice, you know, from the voice clone, and then have an entire course done within a week if I wanted to.

5:46:51 And that's now. This isn't the infancy I could do that. So the opportunities that are going to open up are just going to be mind-blowing. Hmm. This might work out. The person you're looking for might be listening to your chat in their main feed. Next. Hey Matthew, thanks for the quick summary. Saves me having to go look it up. I will say though, where's the AI announcement? It's, you know, there's been this ongoing debate on this app about whether Apple will be the late mover in AI and do something spectacular or if they're going to fall flat on their face. I'm a little bit more in the latter category because I don't think they're very good at cloud services. But they're definitely people who are hardcore Apple believers. So where are you, Apple? Where's AI? I don't think the world is waiting with bated breath for slightly faster and slightly thinner iPads. We want something new. The development event is coming soon, so they are saving it for that one. Meanwhile, elsewhere.

5:47:44 Fun fact of the day, Chuck Palahniuk wrote two sequels to Fight Club, and the main character is actually named Sebastian. I tried to read a Chuck Palahniuk novel, and it was unreadable. He is obviously a crazy person. Whoever managed to make Fight Club into a movie deserves an award for translating it on screen, but boy, it was really, really difficult to read anything written by Chuck Palahniuk. It took a very special screenwriter or producer to read Fight Club, the book, and decide he was a genius and that it must be made into a movie. You tell me. It seems to be that this is not just a mixtape. It is probably a trailer soundtrack for the movie. So this is getting out of hand soon. The link in my chat, but apparently it may not be visible to you. Now you only need the cameraman when the Russian is chasing you after you released this on Spotify. and that could be a pretty good opening scene for the movie, don't you think?

5:48:34 You tell me. It seems to be that this is not just a mixtape. It is probably a trailer soundtrack for the movie. So this is getting out of hand soon. Well, I'm paying attention and you never know. But I can also sense some thread in this thread on copyright issues. Should I be concerned? Now you only need the cameraman when the Russian is chasing you after you release this on Spotify. And that could be a pretty good opening scene for the movie, don't you think? Can we rebrand cancel culture and flip the lens on ourselves and all become enlightened nobodies? Anybody? Anybody? Nobody? It's just a matter of time. Cancel time. Cancel me. Cancel thought. Now I'm free! Yeah, that'd be pretty entertaining.

5:49:23 Question for all you rascals. What's something new in your life right now? Maybe a skill that you're working on developing? maybe a new interest new hobby a new rabbit hole that you've gone down something you can't seem to get out of your head do you want to know more about what is it what's something new that has grabbed your attention lately i would love to hear more about it one idea that has been on my mind for a while now is to make a movie i really want to make a movie and it's not like a long-form movie maybe something which is like under 15 minutes. And every time I'm out walking on the streets, looking at buildings, looking at people, I've got these ideas coming in. So I want to do the sound engineering for it. I want to direct it. I want to cast some actors in it. So this has been on my mind. So I'm kind of studying about moviemaking. That's my current interest. I'm over in the Ko-fi channel dropping bangers and verbally accosting Arjun. And Brett Hall is over in critical rationalism or whatever that is, talking about infinite versions of you in the multiverse. And so, you know, we are not the same. My chits will help get you high, you know, just flying on caffeine. And his chits are just going to scare you and make you have an existential crisis.

5:50:41 I don't, you know, you have to make a choice, people. The Coffee Channel or critical realism, whatever they call it. Make a choice. Pick a side. That's hilarious. LOL, I should say at this point for readers. I don't know how to take that. Am I really scary? Is that really scary? I don't know. I think it's far more frightening that you're apparently I've just taken I just snuck a peek at the coffee channel. And it would appear to me the casual observer that you're trying to get a teenager hooked on drugs. But you know, You see, we can all read into what's going on here on AirChat in different ways. But, you know, you do you with the Arjun and ways of getting more stimulation via chemicals. And I'll do me over here with philosophy.

5:51:29 Aren't we supposed to be talking soon about physics and nutrition and longevity? We'll have to do that now that I'm back from my overseas jaunt. Bringing this back to coffee, all of this is only possible because of the caffeine. It takes some time to figure out what it really means to come to the coffee discussion. Coffee roastering is not that obvious after all. How about if I started recording tricks that sounded a little bit more like this? He can't be that smart. He had me on his podcast. Smart people make blunders. Einstein called denying the expansion of the universe his greatest blunder. Maybe this is just Ajun's. Does anyone on air chat have experience writing for comedy TV shows?

5:52:26 Where else can you hear Talking Frogs mentioning Taco Tuesdays and existential questions by Popper mentioned within the same 10 seconds? What's going on, good people? I need your help. What do you do when your kids do something so egregious, so blasphemous? It puts your mind state in a place that gets really dark. You know, so the other day, my boys were outside playing basketball. And I homeschooled my kids, so they have some freedoms to go out and get active throughout the day, you know, earlier if they would like to. I feel like I failed at some point because giving them the freedom to do certain things and not being in a traditional school setting, there are certain things that would never cross their mind. And one of those things happened. And, you know, I'm outside watching them play and it's getting real competitive. The little one is crossing over, pulling up, you know, calling out Curry and the big one's playing real good defense. But then I looked down and I looked at the big one's feet and I'm like oh no I failed as a dad and it's one of those things that if you're in school you would never think to do it but because they're not he's done it and you know the only thing that comes to mind was the ninja turtle effect so I attached a picture down low help me help me with some results some some result a lot of people hate on this and i understand it looks a little funky but the japanese did this for a really long time and they invented the katana which is the best sword known to man so we spent the day in galveston and it was absolutely fine i have no idea what uh everybody is getting so worked up about it's a perfectly nice little place. I cannot help but to notice that this was Stephen's last message. Blocked and

5:54:33 reported this is for coffee only and not that kind of garbage coffee that Arjun is drinking, the mocha pods or whatever nonsense he made up. Mocha pod. Now we established early on, Arjun, Tom, Farb, that this is a space where our coffee is metaphorical. When you say let's go get coffee, you don't make your friend order coffee, so anyone is welcome to discuss their hot beverage. It's just that we coffee people probably feel a moral superiority here. LinkedIn will be the new school for AirChat. They will make so much money selling courses like how you get rid of your mmm and other filler words on AirChat. How do you roast a guy and have a continuous conversation going for hours? And how do you have deep philosophical questions while you're sipping coffee and laughing while posting on the main feed? The complexity of air chat. While you're sit posting on another thread and waiting for the come back, you go to a discussion group and talk some serious quantum physics, and then you come back roasting again on a coffee channel while you're waiting for the two other ones to come back to you.

5:55:42 There's nothing like humming or singing at the main street. Because nobody cares. Because nobody can hear you. Your voice is lost in the sounds of people, in the sounds of the honks and the horns, and the vehicles and the tyres, and the wind. And it feels great. Promise me this forever We'll always stay this way We can start at the end of time And do it all again Alright, I have a new rule now. To listen to music, I can only listen when I'm coding. Other than that, no stimulation. You're coding in order to listen to music or you listen to music in order to code. Welcome to AirChat.

5:56:29 This is an open and social public messenger. It's designed for civil and authentic conversations. It's voice first. You push, talk, release. That's how you get the message out. Yeah, that's right. And I am somehow speechless. It's understandable. It's hard to monetize here. This is kind of an odd thing to say, but I actually haven't read a lot of books with unreliable narrators that I really like. I read the Book of the New Earth series, but I felt like it just didn't really provide quite enough. The main character is clearly bullshitting for the majority of the story, but it doesn't give enough clues or raise enough questions that I found it was particularly enlightening, though I like the series overall. I really like the concept and want to see it executed well, but haven't found anything that does it in such a way where I feel like it's really been explored to the levels that I would like to see it. Also, Sigil, if you can't trust the narrator of your own diary, I'm a little concerned.

5:57:18 I'm familiar with those code words. Enjoy your detail. And since you're not drinking coffee yet, there's also a coffee channel and it's hosted by Dawn. Sounds like you guys are taking shitposting to next level. It's so cool that people are actually following. We're just like a couple of random dudes having friendly manner on the internet. And yeah, interesting that that catches people's eyes. Just random dudes talking to each other could be a marketing line for Seinfeld. Sounds like you guys are taking shitposting to next level. And the name of the movie might be For Funerals and a Wedding. Good morning, guys. It's 5.48 a.m. I may or may not have down 150 milligrams of caffeine. That's all good. Enough coding, but also editing and setting up the AirChat TikTok. So if you guys can go and follow us and like some of our posts, we're getting this ramped up.

5:58:14 I'm editing some stuff that is raising the bar to what was posted prior. But it's gonna be good. It's gonna be juicy. We're using Premiere Pro now. Let's fucking go. I've been training up Ben and Anderson to learn how to push these out to Ben, as well as Serbian and Aket. We are going to be giga chats at getting all of your bangers on here, packaging them super nicely, and then sending them out there. So stay tuned. Lots of upgrades coming. hey unity yeah i watched the video that is a wacky song and the part that's funny is that like and also i think like the part like when he's like stay in europe till i die like that part like i was like okay that like i know he's being funny but a little like i think that might lose something in translation but but at the end took me i was like i was like of course you have to have the obscure burning house at the end because you know it wouldn't be european if it wasn't something like weird but when you mentioned about his father i was like okay now i understand what that meant but at first i was like but yeah but it's funny because he kind of visually resembles a friend of mine who's a magician and so he's just like a blonde version of my friend um and then the the sticking out of the uh the blue outfit was reminding me of klaus nomi used to wear those sharp uh outfits with it that were like kind of angular and everything but it was a funny song for sure what's funny over here some of the tiktokers have started to use this um german hip-hop song that uses a german tongue twister um it's uh and they're dancing over it often but i was like i was like i was seeing it so much on tiktok that i was like what song is this so i I searched it out, and then it's about a woman named Barbara who makes rhubarb pies, and I have an aunt, Barbara, who's a baker.

5:59:45 So, you know, I was like, I've got to send this to my aunt, Barbara. But it's a wacky, wacky, it's another one that's kind of wacky and silly, but it's catchy, too. I get it in my head sometimes. Here's a close-up of the coffee. It's mild-rooper diner flavor, bringing me back in time to my waitressing days. I'm familiar with those code words. Enjoy your detail. Look, if you and I are not going to make it, then nobody's going to make it. Sounds like you guys are taking sitposting to next level. If you want to get real hardcore, you want to get the whole setup from fellow barber. You want to get the scale. You need to get the temperature-controlled kettle. There's also the scale. You also are putting the scale is measuring not just the weight of the beans that you're grinding, and you need the grinder, but it's also measuring the weight of the water that you're adding, and it does a whole calculation to tell you how many grams of water to pour into it for how many grams of beans that you have.

6:00:37 and to be honest if you're not doing that I think the pour over is a bit you know misguided because otherwise you're just basically making you're just being a human you know coffee brewing machine if you're not dialing it in with that level of precision it kind of doesn't end up at the experience that doing it that way is supposed to do for the last one you'll probably need something from Elon Musk's latest inventions I think roasting others should be allowed in this channel because it's a coffee channel. Get it? Please tell me that was funny. Would it make sense to change the name of the room from coffee to coffee lounge? Because people want to talk about tea and the release and other rooms like that. So it's like a coffee shop. So you can talk about roast and do different type of things here. So it's like a lounge.

6:01:24 I'm just going to leave this here. Not even Freddy. How do you write an FAQ before the project has started? Well, he said upcoming project, that means that he has the idea and it's about to be launched and probably already built, but just not yet launched. So it's clearly possible to write FAQ for something like that. It seems that you're not following many people, only five, so follow more people and you will get no stuff on your feed. her little haunches are highlighted at all she's like the perfect markings the perfect colors that doggo has been earbrushed page was painted from up above oh she's so perfect oh i bet she's got the softest nose i just want to oh she's so cute oh she's so cute oh look at her the little that little pig oh my gosh oh my gosh she's so cute oh she's so she's so beautiful little pt she's so good she's so she's so perfect somebody make an audiobook of kenzie talking about page You're ready.

6:02:56 Are you willing to die for your beliefs? Many have, but only when it stops being a theoretical question. Hold down to bookmark. I'm just going to leave this here. *sad song* Post your sidiest picture. Here's mine. This one's probably mine. Make kindness your currency. Spend freely. Better yet, she's an air chat influencer. Does she already have a huge button to push and it will record a message directly to air chat whenever she please this. Oh, she knows how to push all the buttons. There's nothing worse than finally giving up and leaving the jungle and then somebody digs 20 feet to the left of where you were and finds a treasure. Those cult dickers. Startup pirates. Any funny transcriptions? Here's one. supposed to say VC, venture capital money. I feel like this is true and it made me think about Cast Away, like the OG movie, but like everyone's on their own island or every company's on their own island and they just have to survive the longest and maybe the rescue boat comes with a big light and that light is product market fit or something. I don't know. This is me just talking, but I think this is all true. I think every take in this thread is true. It can also be a mirror's light and the name of the boat is VC money. A startup is extremely hard because the market is extremely competitive. Everything that makes sense to exist already exists. So you need to find something that doesn't make sense, but needs to exist. And how do you find that? Because all our education is done in groupthink. So we are never taught to think outside of non-obvious ideas. This is extremely good for consumers, because it leads to having a better life. But it leads to a hard life for the founder for the entrepreneur because at least in the beginning because everything that needs to

6:05:06 exist exists so what's your purpose then what will you build the my answer until now is that you figure it out one day at a time by iterating and experimenting not getting too attached but to stuff my analogy for building a startup or a new product in the marketplace is imagine that there is a big jungle and everyone's wandering through different paths in the jungle and there's buried treasure there but you have to hack your way through and endure all the insects and all the animals and all of the difficult things about survival. And all of the pads are well-trodden. Everybody has already looked for treasure. So you literally have to go out deep into the jungle, into a part where nobody else has wandered before, be cutting, cutting, cutting with your machete, getting bitten and stung and attacked. Everybody has to tell you you're a failure and a loser and you're wrong. You have to feel like you're a failure and a loser and you're wrong until there's some small chance that you might stumble onto buried treasure. Because as you say, it is an efficient market out there and all the easy pads have been trodden. If everybody agrees with where you're going, then you're going someplace where there is no more treasure.

6:05:58 I am not the droid that fears the sock industry. Socks up, or else. But also, I never use alarms. There's like, you know, barely ever a thing I have to use an alarm for. Like, you know, a 6am flight. Fuck, that's tomorrow. A friend of mine made a confession later on in his life. He said that, yeah, he didn't use alarm. He had an early flight, maybe 6 o'clock or whatnot. And it was a board meeting. And, well, you can guess the rest. He missed our flight, but it was an important meeting, or I guess it was. So he started a private jet and flew there, so there are always ways. Some are just a little bit more expensive than setting up your alarm. Yeah, we got a little bit over-caffeinated and some things happened. Whoops, it's getting serious when coffee crimes have been committed. Well, that is an idea to block FARB.

6:06:48 I haven't blocked anyone so far, so that would be quite the honor for FARB. But no, don't worry, I'm totally just kidding too. I just thought it was funny that things were getting out of hand in the coffee channel. You would expect that, I don't know, in some other channel. But I do think it's very important that you're drinking proper coffee. So I wish you the best of luck in your coffee pursuits. Maybe we have to start from descaling first. My mum always taught me from a young age that it's better to give than to receive. And I thought that was a really important thing to consider. Then I read a book called The Go-Giver. And I think it's a really, really good book. and I'm curious to what other people's thoughts are about it. But the thing I got the most from it, personally, was it kind of showed me and got me thinking about how to receive things well. And I think sometimes that's something that doesn't get considered, and people find it difficult to take compliments, to take gifts, to take offerings from others.

6:07:45 And that book was one that kind of prompted me to consider the polarity. I think this is because sacrifice and persistence and dedication and grit are not as loud as success. I did. A few years ago, for a month or two, I used to meditate up to eight hours a day. Like in one sitting, more or less. Meaning that I was stretching my legs after a few hours, going to the bathroom. But then sitting again. By sitting, I mean going back into half meditation posture. like butterfly or whatever it's called. The thing is when you meditate like eight hours in a day, you are in a meditative state the entire day. So you're in alpha the entire day. There are two ways I like to describe the pause.

6:08:36 One, if you go and watch a martial arts fight scene, if you watch Jackie Chan at full speed or Bruce Lee at full speed, you can't, it means nothing because everything is so, so fast at the same cadence. But when choreographing martial arts for a film or for TV, you see a bunch of flurry, then a pause, then they look, then a pause, then a bunch of flurry. Speaking is like that. If you listen to spoken word, you'll hear the pause. And when you hear the pause, it takes your brain from one segment to another. Same with an excellent speech. So if you have a chance to go watch some Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Kung Fu Theater, then listen to a little spoken word, you'll start to pick up where those pauses are and you'll start to feel they're not awkward. They prepare the listener or the viewer for the next segment. Our brains can take it in. That's how I think of the pause. And by the way, I started to study the pause because in the beginning of my teaching career, I don't teach now, but in the beginning of my teaching career, kids would look at me and they'd say, miss, I don't get it. I don't get it. You don't get what?

6:09:32 It, any of it. And I realized I'm a New Englander. We speak fast. We don't suffer slow, relaxed speech very well. And it was just too, too much. I looked at the way I received instruction, than the way I gave instruction. And I started studying the cadence and the path and the organization of speech a little bit more. If you want a great example of somebody who uses that pause, I say perfectly, and this is somebody I thought, wow, you would be a fantastic teacher. Before I knew he was, in fact, a fantastic classroom teacher, is Brett Hall. Find anything, I don't care what he's talking about, but listen to the cadence when he's explaining something. And I think that's also an example of an audio version, an air chat version of the well-played pause. the expert pause. And to top it off I took a photo from a bridge. That's a row of restaurants going all the way down along the river. It's beautiful and standing there just all these people walking by listening to the sound of someone playing the saxophone. The city is so alive. So this here is the bar of the hotel I'm staying at, The Six Senses. It might be the most beautiful bar I've ever seen in a hotel. And then I sat at the counter with the bartender and it was actually empty. Just for a couple of people. Basically empty. And they were in the back. So it was just him and I, we were talking.

6:10:52 And he pulls out these bottles with beautiful cherry blossoms in them. And they were cherry blossom alcohol. So we tried each one. You know, when in Kyoto, drink cherry blossoms. This is like that old Green Day song, which says, you say it best when you say nothing at all. Which in my opinion is the politest way to tell someone to shut up. When is silence enough? I think Kauris Mackie was studying exactly those early directors and films, and he's been taking a lot of influence from those ones, and you can see it in his films, about the sound effects and how horribly wrong they can go. Here's an example of a Bond movie from the 70s. I think it's in around one minute mark here, but you get the idea. I don't know what they were thinking or what they were not thinking, but it's just horrendous times.

6:11:44 It must have been different. What helps you outrun mediocrity? Stay out of its way. And I don't believe on those happiness indexes or whatnot that they always put Finland, if not the top, the most top of the tells or some other stuff there. But I think at the bottom of it, it's being more like a genuine, real, authentic. And all that fake small talk, all that fake smiles, all those things which are just the facade, those consume something in you. And they're not, it's keeping up the appearances, it's high maintenance. And that's what it's all about. And the Finns are just not doing that that much. So there's that. I totally agree with you. I've been to Norway. It's not a very happy place. It's cold. The hours of sunlight are weird. And also it's pretty dirty and grimy. Never about the external circumstances. I spent quite a bit of time in the UK, and you learn there as well that the overcast and weather has nothing to do with your mood, and when you're in the north as well, that's the same thing.

6:12:38 But it's that happiness is a subjective matter, so there's no way to measure it across people. When is silence enough? Silence exists outside of time. It's boundless in its true form. It can't be measured against any standard. It's a state of being in anything else as a disturbance that, once removed, reveals the inherent wholeness of silence. I think it's pretty interesting to see how much value creation can come from boring static HTML pages. I'm thinking of things like Hacker News, Y Combinator, or just like the static, unstyled sites of people, individuals who are just sharing information. Because people who are creating a lot of value for society reside on Hacker News. that's just a thing and it just reminds me that the primary characteristic of the internet in the context of helping human civilization is in sharing information with each other not creating distractions and experiences like movies and video games not that those don't have their place but it's not the medium but the merits i think it's pretty interesting to see how much value creation can come from boring static html pages i'm thinking of things like hacker news y combinator or just like the static unstyled sites of people individuals who are just sharing information because people who are creating a lot of value for society reside on acro news that's just a thing and it just reminds me that the primary characteristic of the internet in the context of helping human civilization is in sharing information with each other not creating distractions and experiences like movies and video games not that those don't have their place but sit up straight in bed and meditate meditate with watching your breath it's not that hard just close your eyes, watch your breath and commit to yourself that you're not going to get up until you're either meditating or you fall asleep. The reality is when given the choice your mind will choose falling asleep over meditation. That's it. But you do seriously have to meditate. Don't go with any third choice. You're not getting up, you're either meditating or you're going to sleep. Those are your only two choices. Have you tried to do the meditation last thing and the first thing in the morning? So in both ends it doesn't need to be that long but just to do it as a practice and before your brain wakes up in the morning you just go back to it and it may set the day for you and

6:14:46 then during the day you can come if you do it same position i mean same physical position so you can mentally go back to that place and it may also help you to restate that same state so tamir anyone that has worked with me will tell you the best thing to do is to give me the problem and leave me with it for a couple of days or maybe even a full day or two days just let me suffer with it and then let me come back and let's have a meeting and then you start explaining to me what you think i'm going to be missing but giving me something and giving me the explanation up front never works that's just my brain my brain needs to wrestle with a problem before it is ready to receive a solution and actually understand it so it's like suffering is absolutely essential for me to learn without any resistance i get bored and my learning becomes very shallow If I don't feel like a complete fraud and a failure at some point during the learning process, then I don't think I've actually learned a thing.

6:15:47 When is silence enough? When someone is suffering. Silence is enough. When someone is suffering, they're crying. What I do is sit next to them. I might put my hand on their hand briefly and just sit. That is when silence is enough. Post your serious picture. Here's mine. Tagging Brett Hall, this is a good question. If the universe is deterministic, and if there's no probability, and God does not play dice with the universe, then how is it that a photon can take one path in one universe and a different path in another? Didn't his latest episode, The Time Part 3, at least partly answer this question? At some point, you have to let go of what you thought should happen, and just live in what is happening. Back to reality, Part 1. There were certainly smartphones before that.

6:16:34 It was communicated by Nokia, which has email, fax, and it has tons of features and functionalities and apps. And Symbian had app stores, so you had games, and you had all those things going on there. For example, Sony Ericsson had also cameras. There were a lot of these functionalities which were even missing from the original iPhone. It didn't have the app store, if I'm correct. It had only its own apps in there. So it actually lacked in the functionality in the original iPhone. They came later. But what it has was that touchscreen. The others were still with that screen where you need to push and it's the pressure system. And that wasn't good for the multi-finger things. So you couldn't do those things we do now, like the zooming and all those things, because you need two fingers and two points or more points to the screen at the same time. And you couldn't do that with the pressure system easily. So in that way, yes, they reinvented the smartphone, but there were certainly smartphones and even more functionality before that.

6:17:25 Nokia had even a gaming console type of a mobile phone and they had a platform. So there was a lot of innovation happening early on. that iPhone changed the game. We're playing definition games, but I would say that the modern smartphone was definitely invented by Apple and everything that came before it was just a jumbling together of features on top of existing phone software and hardware. Apple completely reimagined it from the ground up. And again, I say that this is true because you can see that after Apple had done so, and then it was obvious to everybody, every successive smartphone has looked like Apple's. They've had multi-touch, they've had soft keyboards instead of hard keyboards, they've had app stores and so on and so forth. Really what Apple did was they packaged up the pocket computer and they created a proper pocket computer that was all displayed, and they called it a smartphone. They left it in the phone kit, but it was a cellular, although even there they went out of their way to put in a strong data plan and make it data first. It was really the world's first viable pocket computer without a stylus and without a keyboard.

6:18:15 And after that, as an afterthought, there was a phone feature or just for the connectivity for the computing part. So I do think it was categorically a different device. You can always say something with something else. It's just a naming game. You can say humans are monkeys, which is technically true, and I say that all the time, but yet humans are human. At some point, there is an emergence into a new platform. and that is what the iPhone was. The iPhone moment, it was a real moment. Yes, it was a paradigm shift and it has shifted completely industry and you can obviously see it also. Nokia went down, Crackberry went down, all the traditional manufacturers which were strong and dominant incumbent players, Motorola's, you name them, they went all down. It was all completely different ballgame, different players coming in. So yes, it was a paradigm shift, yeah. Yes, I think they absolutely reinvented what a smartphone is. The iPod was a reinvention. What an MP3 player is.

6:19:04 It was so unlike every other one. The Apple Watch. Similarly, there were plenty of smartwatches. Apple redefined that. I'm not giving up on this one. I'm going to die on this hill. There were certainly smartphones before that. It was communicated by Nokia, which has email fax. And it has tons of features and functionalities and apps. And Symbian had app stores. You had games and you had all those things going on there. For example, Sony Ericsson had also cameras. There were a lot of these functionalities which were even missing from the original iPhone. It didn't have the apps, though, if I'm correct. It had only its own apps in there. So it actually lacked in the functionality in the original iPhone. They came later. But what it has was that touchscreen. The others were still with that screen where you need to push and it's the pressure system. And that wasn't good for the multi-finger things.

6:19:56 So you couldn't do those things we do now, like zooming and all those things, because you need two fingers and two points or more points to the screen at the same time, and you couldn't do that with the pressure system easily. So in that way, yes, they reinvented the smartphone, but there were certainly smartphones and even more functionality before that. Nokia had even a gaming console type of a mobile phone, and they had a platform. So there was a lot of innovation happening early on, but iPhone changed the game. "Frederik Bastiat's The Law: What is Life?" by Erwin Schrödinger, "Counsels and Maxims" by Schopenhauer, and of course I hope you read David Deutsch. Indeed, and if you go to the Bastiat's original, I think it's even richer. And because there's more difference in time, the points are probably more clear. This is really what the movie Inception should have been about, about everyone having that dream about missing classes, failing their finals, and then finally, in the end, they break out. then they can have the sequence where the nightmare really didn't end.

6:20:51 It just shifts and you can go on for probably the next five movies. Something that I've noticed that's different about this platform relative to, say, Twitter, and I've seen this actually play out in some incidents here, is that people who behave in certain ways on other platforms that maybe don't possess so much emotional intelligence or social awareness of their actions, it's more poignant here when you behave badly. and it's more likely to get called out. You can't perform here. Any performance is obvious. It's really about one-on-one conversations. I'm so sad. My breakfast taco spot is closed this morning. I don't know why, but I'm so hungry. I just wanted a taco. You run out of flights. Recently, I went to Japan and all I had was hand-drip coffee, and now I can't stand the espresso I make at home using my mocha pot.

6:21:40 Does anybody have any great drip coffee maker recommendations? There were some recommendations going in the previous air chat, but I guess that's nuked. But I think in the coffee group there was already something earlier on. Have you checked that one? Then there's always the option to go for the AeroPress. And that makes smaller portions for one or two cups. But if you have a grinder, you can control and it could be the quality you are getting out of it. And I will be an active member of that channel. So please let us know if you make that. I don't think I want to do a co-hosting. Sorry to let you guys down. I don't care about LinkedIn enough to do that more than just random jokes once in a while. A friend of mine used to be the editor-in-chief of one of the largest newspapers, and he said that in the opinion pieces, when there's a back and forth going with some discussion, you don't need to say the last word. and that's stick with me so it might be a good idea here as well you don't always have to have the last word on anything well i just had a funny thought i was in the airport um recently after a trip to cyprus and we got into a little bit of um uh some people who was queuing for the luggage thought who was pushing in the queue and started arguing with one of my um children but they're young adults and um this girl was you know she kept kind of arguing etc etc and i i just eventually i just said to her you know you have to have the last word don't you and she commented back is that so and then as soon as she said it i just closed my lips and never said anything and um she i just left her there stunned it was um it was one of them classic moments i probably can't describe it well i won't be able to describe it as how i experienced it but it was uh from a last word perspective. It was a nice closing silence from me. All of that said, another conversation this platform helped me realize that part of the issue here is that a Siri type thing has to be close to perfect. It can't hallucinate on you when you're trying to navigate your phone. So it's a much

6:23:46 higher bar than just having an LLM that is spewing verbiage, which is right 80% of the time, but wrong 20% of the time. The bar for a utility that has to work 99.9% of the time is just very different. Absolutely. I remember many years back, I went back to physical switches, buttons and whatnot, because it was easier than using Siri, which was more convenient, but it was unreliable. And whenever you push a button, it does the thing, and there's no questions, there's no back and forth. It just works. So yes, if you're using Siri type of thing, it just needs to work every time. Max discovered the secret of Finns. You know, Petria, I don't know you, and I don't like what you're saying to me, but I like how you're saying it, so I like you. Thank you, Fab. The compliments are flying today in my direction. You know, Petria, I don't know you and I don't like what you're saying to me, but I like how you're saying it, so I like you.

6:24:37 When is silence enough? When you're speechless. Or breathless. Air chat makes it abundantly clear that most disagreements are a discrepancy of understanding and not a discrepancy of values. There are even laws similar to Murphy's law or some more, Weo's law. All human communication fail except by accident and there are a few other axioms. When is silence enough? When you're ready to witness the wisdom. And live in the wisdom. When is silence enough? Most of the time. When is silence enough? Sometimes I think your silence can mean more than any of your words ever will. Silence is the canvas for the rest. Okay let's try again. I'm humbly honored by this wonderful recommendation I got today by a dear friend of mine. Last week I learned that there's no difference between OF and LinkedIn and I forgot to put my buy me a coffee link here. And I think when it comes to Apple part of how you know they are the leader is that they can do no right. If they don't release an LLM, they're falling apart and failing, and it's over for them. If they released one that wasn't perfect, they would be falling apart, failing, it's over for them. This is the position that leaders have, is to essentially, and I've always maintained this for leaders in general, part of your job is simply to take abuse from every angle. You take abuse from above, you take abuse from below, you take abuse from the sides, and this is part of your role and your function and the service that you provide. For me as a leader, it's actually helped me to see things that way instead of it being something that I try to avoid or look at as a sign of my failure.

6:26:21 I'm like, no, in fact, this is my job is to, as Peter Thiel says, eat the shit and eat as much of it as you can at once. And in doing so, you're providing your service and your value to the system. Weirdly, this sounds better than, hey Siri, okay Google, who says it's not a new LinkedIn. look at the endorsement I got today from ADM. Well nobody did but you compared it to LinkedIn and it's not a good sign you know and it's not a compliment as I noticed lately. Okay let's try again. I'm humbly honored by this wonderful recommendation I got today by a dear friend of mine. Are the notes to self and the DMs encrypted? In the previous air chat there used to be end-to-end encrypted but I don't think it's implemented yet here. Yeah sorry for that last part as you may know I post air chat when I'm walking the dog um and also I didn't mean to say that I don't think you care about safety. It's just that I actually discovered air chat when people on thread started talking about it and it's a it's lack of moderation and the delete air chat hashtag started sort of trending at least in my in my feed but um that's a whole other issue and it's a really really hard one to to figure out so I didn't want to sound flippant. My other observation is I just scanned the text from my previous post and it's all one sentence. Is that how I speak? I'm gonna have to listen to it because I'm gonna have to learn to start putting pauses in because otherwise it's going to sound like, I don't know, Ulysses by James Joyce, complete stream of consciousness, which perhaps is the point. Anyway, thanks for replying on Naval. I really appreciate that.

6:28:08 So a couple of quick points. The reason why it put all of your conversation in one long sentence was because the AI that does the transcription didn't detect enough pauses or break words or stopping points. So sometimes it does screw up. Sorry about that. As far as people going on some stupid thread about delete air check, it doesn't have moderation. We absolutely do have moderation. We just don't believe in censorship for political views. And this woman came in, she got pretty mad at us because She wanted certain accounts suspended. We suspended them, but it wasn't enough for her. She wanted to play professional victim. So she made some raving threats and then went off and, I don't know, posted some stupid thing elsewhere. I honestly don't understand. We have moderation. We just don't believe in political censorship, but we absolutely do stop people who are engaging in harassment or even just general rudeness. So in that sense, it's much more like a house party or dinner party. You know, if you're witty and civil and polite, you can express your point of view, and that's kind of how it is. Obviously, we're still figuring it out. But, look, you can never satisfy everybody.

6:28:56 Everybody is going to say, oh, here's a platform. Let me try and control it with my personal points of view. and they're going to try and do that. And this is just a case of someone who tried to do that. So you can give them credence if you would like, but I think they're frankly a bunch of lunatics. Looking forward and good night, sweet dreams. Lately I've been digging all the references that you pick out of novels, a chat and put it all around the world just to sprinkle it on everyone. Yeah, it's a little bit of curation and digging out all the conversations. And if anybody else feels like doing the same, it's also a good practice to remember and get stuff which you know you were part of but mostly and most likely not a lot of people have seen it and definitely no one who is new to the app so it has multiple purposes. Dossi left the building on Blue Sky and he also donated additional 20 plus million for open sets and 5 million of that went to Nostre development. Wow FAQs does anybody still read those on the internet? My experience has been that if it's not obvious how to do it people won't do it and this is one of those features that we kind of made up so it's not gonna be known by everybody but as soon as people see it being done they ask others at least that's how it's spread so far we'll continue working on it thanks for the feedback and i'll copy Arjun Kemani so he can indeed add it to the FAQ in case anybody ever reads it for those who want to read the FAQ would it make sense to hide it on the user settings profile user settings somewhere there and just put it as a link there so it's easier to find. E-chat is the new Quora, Reddit, fitness app, health app, meditation app, meme generator, but in a nice community respectful way. Today was a beautiful day, now it's time for me to go to sleep, but next week I'm going to be exploring Bitcoin and I'll be sharing my learnings as I go along and using it as an opportunity to continue to hone my skill of explaining things.

6:30:52 And I will try and explain it so that even a high school kid understands it. So that means that I'm going to butcher it a couple of times, but it's all for good fun and for learning. So stay tuned and have a beautiful day or evening, depending on where you are. Over and out. Looking forward and good night, sweet dreams. This one made me laugh, Petri. I really cracked myself up. Thank you, man. Thank you. Can someone explain to me why they're with someone as a significant other who they argue with and have fights with? I absolutely can't do this. To me, your significant other is supposed to be the least stressful relationship in your life. The one relationship where you're not butting heads and arguing and fighting. In fact, I'm never in a relationship where I have arguments and fights. If that's what is going to happen, I'm not going to be in the relationship.

6:31:45 And I actually never enter it until I verified that this isn't the pattern of behavior that I have with this other person. Are you willing to die for your beliefs? I'm willing to fight for my beliefs so I can live. I mean, not in terms of real people one, but in terms of backwards New England one, it works. Here's a funny story. My wedding. My sister almost got on the wrong flight and would have ended up in Manchester, three hours away from my wedding. And yeah, that was funny. I don't think it's a theme song. I don't remember. I think it's somebody putting together the best parts or some clips from the series. Yes, mid-journey all the way, for sure. For sure. Dali in particular cannot not rewrite your prompt. Of course, the chat GPT version is intentionally going to rewrite your prompt.

6:32:35 But even if you use the DALI 3 API directly, even in the documentation there, they say you can't turn that off. And you can try by basically yelling at it, like, please, please, please, I'm testing this. Do not change my prompt at all. And it's still going to even rewrite certain words and stuff. So you just do not have the control that you have with mid-journey. Yeah, I agree. I think my journey, intimate journey, definitely started off as and is still really more just like, what happens when I put these words and characters and things into this input? And what kind of images do I get out of it? And what is that kind of, like, where am I in this space within this model? That's really what got me into it.

6:33:23 I do quality assurance professionally, so just testing things out is fun. And as a byproduct, you get pretty images a lot of the times, which makes it even more fun. And then I actually did a lot of mid-journey for quite a while before I actually started posting it anywhere online. I was like, huh. I wasn't doing research. I was just experimenting and playing around. And I'm like, hmm, it kind of feels weird that I'm just generating a bunch of images for myself to look at. And that's how I kind of got into the AI art community on Twitter or x.com now. And there's a whole bunch of people doing really cool stuff on there as well. Yeah, to me, it's mostly the fascination of what can I get out of this when I put these words in here. And especially now that they've got all of the different types of references that you can do.

6:34:19 I'm having a ton of fun with that. The newest thing, I think they recently added random style reference, which is probably not that useful. I found out about it because someone was posting about how dumb it was on Twitter, and I'm in love with it. Just because I get so much variety. I like to use character references now in almost all of my images, and throwing in that random style is a super fun way to just explore around. I found a lot of really, really cool styles by doing that. But yeah, Majority for me is all about just exploring. And as a byproduct, I get pretty art that I can share with people. Yes, exactly. All of these kind of, I don't know if they're mainstream, I guess, is maybe the right term for image generators like Dolly and Bing. I'm not sure what else is out there.

6:35:09 They're really for people that just want a neat image. And they'll let the AI system write whatever prompt it is and guess what they were trying to ask for just to get a cool image right away so they can kind of move on. And I think that other than mid-journey, there's, of course, like stable diffusion that you can like really, really dig into all sorts of interesting experimentation and stuff. But to me, you can't get the prompting is very different for stable diffusion versus mid-journey. And it's like you can have a really basic minimal, even probably a bad input and still get really interesting looking things in mid-journey much more often than you can with stable diffusion. Although I do think that the latest version, stable diffusion 3, is probably going to be pretty close to mid-journey. But I don't think I'll ever move away from mid-journey.

6:36:03 And yeah, I did used to share my prompts a lot more when I would post things on Twitter. but now that most of my input is images for reference, and then just a couple words, it's kind of pointless to share the prompts, since they're not gonna get anything close to what I got with those words. But I'll post a link to this site that I put my art onto. It is a little NFT site. The whole point of that site is they let you do it for free. And my job is in, my day job is in blockchain stuff. So it was a fun little way to experiment with combining or playing around with NFTs and getting to post my AI art. Yeah. I think I find it sometimes hard to just pause because it just creates this like awkward silence sometimes.

6:36:53 And everybody hates awkward silence. On air chat, most people won't even notice that you have paused because they'll be busy reading your message. But that aside, even in real life, I'm telling you, people don't mind pauses. They really don't. And if you're concerned about the uhs and ahs, which also people don't really mind that much, just pause. Try it out. Give it a shot. Only once you replace it with pauses can you tell me if the uhs and ahs are better or not. Until then, it's just academic. I think it's a really valuable meta skill to learn how to create environments that allow the reality you want to bloom to bloom in. Instead of being so impatient about wanting to have it right away and trying to brute force a reality that is not quite ready. Just apply the fully automated test mode. Fully automated Jess mode. told is not the eternal quality. The quality that can be named is not the eternal name.

6:38:12 And I think that that speaks to what he defines as dynamic quality and static quality. Words can only take you so far. They are substituted for the real experience, and that cannot be described. It needs to be experienced. What is an intellectual? Someone who talks without work. That's really common. When you're a founder, you just run extremely high stress. People don't realize how high stress it can be. Many of the founders I know who lost their hair or had acid reflex problems or gained a lot of weight or even contracted worse diseases did it at the peak of their stress. It is absolutely true that stress ages you. Just ask your local startup founder. rather well-known entrepreneur in the Nudick. He was pretty close to die in a matter of hours because of exhaustion. And yeah, it's completely real and you can do that. And there's so many stories of that. The stress can kill you. So be aware of that. Yeah, so true. I often think that a translator should have some background in poetry because poetry, you capture feeling with words.

6:39:13 While I was translating some of the Friedrich Bastiat's most famous works, I realized that the three English translations, which I thought were the major ones, all had completely different takes on the original text, and most of them, if not all of them, didn't really get all the nuances and the message for what was said by Bastiat. I think they probably were not economists, they were not familiar with his ideas and thoughts, and that probably showed in the translations as well. And that was only evident when you went to the original native text. All right, beautiful people. It's my afternoon drive on Sunday as usual. And I've tried to record this message multiple times because today I'm just filled with so much love in my heart. And I want to say to each and every one of you guys that I love you. And the people that I get to talk to and engage with here have served me with so much of themselves and their generosity.

6:40:14 It's a beautiful thing. And I'm filled with gratitude. And I'm constantly thinking about how can I serve better. But as I'm thinking about that, I'm realizing I'm so grateful for you guys. I'm grateful for this place. And my heart is full of love. So have a beautiful day. And you must know that your life matters. You are important in this world and keep shining your light. Keep making contributions. I love you guys. I love you guys. I love you guys. And listen to this. James Blake is killer. Have you ever had scripts with your podcast or has it always been just speak what you're thinking?

6:41:21 With topics that are a bit out of my comfort zone on AirChat, I thought about having a script, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of speaking what you're thinking on AirChat. So I haven't done that, but I'm curious. If the scripting is just questions, questions, questions, and then answers, answers, answers, and it's not a conversation, it's just Q&A, it becomes boring and predictable and not so fun, because all the fun usually happens on those spontaneous things, and there's probably something worth probing or going forward and talking more, and it's not maybe the next question. but if it's sticking to the script that doesn't happen. I used to listen to conversations with Tyler but it was so scripted it became boring and I haven't done that for many years now. I found myself saying you know a lot on here and on podcasts and in general and AirChat has for the most part helped me stop doing that stop the ums and the trick is really to just pause.

6:42:22 People don't pause because they think that they'll lose the other person's attention. And I think even worse, they think that it means that they're not smart if they don't know what to say in every single second. But that's generally not how people work. Some people do. There's plenty of smart people. And the best orators in the world don't say, um, they don't say, you know, they speak, they pause. And in fact, pausing has the opposite effect. It makes what you're saying more powerful, not less powerful. But it only works if have something to say. If the pause is too long or the speaker is so slow to come to the points, you will just drop because there's nothing worth waiting for. I love the work of Robert Persick and I think the book Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is a really good one. He also wrote another one or his notes were published after he passed away which is called On Quality and that's a really good book based on his reflections around quality and he kind of makes a distinction between dynamic quality and static quality and I think they're really good distinctions he kind of cross maps them over to different other kind of philosophies like for example in Taoism the Tao he kind of says that it could easily be replaced by quality and in buddhism the dharma he talks about the same thing and i think the distinction is really good he kind of points to that we've got some level of awareness of the dynamic quality and when we kind of look at things and label things as having quality then that becomes static and i think that's a very useful way of looking at things in terms of imitating i think schools in large part sadly tend to be more about memorizing rather than understanding and what most teachers miss is that when you teach you learn and when you learn you teach and it's a symbiosis where if they can get these fires burning then it becomes a reciprocal

6:44:34 interplay of thoughts questions ideas and an exploration of where we might be ignorant or where we are ignorant and I think that's really important and the sad thing is that when a child's given formulas and told that if they memorize the formula they will get certain answers which will give them certain results which will get them classed as intelligent etc etc the teachers to some extent have to fulfill certain criteria so it reinforces a bad system and tying this back to Robert Persick he talks about the system and he talks about in one particular paragraph I remember it because I've quoted it a few times that what we tend to do is trying to try to improve systems that are need actually need destroying or you know a new system needs creating and what we tend to do is just add band-aids to bullet wounds well don't get me started I was born in 1977 the year the original Star Wars came out, episode four, and I grew up learning the words, the entire transcript of all the first three movies, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi. I was blown away, I can still remember, being so impressed as a little toddler, and probably up to about five years old, me and my friends that I had, you know, family friends, you know, sort of their children that I'd hang out with and watch Star Wars over and over again. The scene where Darth Vader is holding one of the rebels up by one hand and interrogating him. This was the scariest thing I'd ever seen and the strongest villain I'd ever seen. And it was just from that moment onwards captivated by, you know, what sort of power does this guy have? And then slowly unveiling this bright line distinction between good and evil. You know, it's a classic story of good and evil.

6:46:20 I'll throw in a little bit of trivia here. Darth Vader, my favourite character for the entire, throughout the entire series and he's become a favourite character of a whole new generation of people because he's just emblematic of a complex evil character. Well no evil characters are really all that complex but admittedly Darth Vader does have. It's thoroughly revealed that he has some complexity, there's some depth there. Some people don't like the Star Wars movies. I don't like the Star Wars movies when they're portrayed as science fiction, of course they're not, they're just space opera fantasy but and I'm completely biased because I was brought up on these things and I loved the music and at the time when I was growing up it was the most advanced sort of way of filming something like that using miniatures and so on and so forth but my little bit of trivia is Darth Vader put out George Lucas put out this false rumor about Darth Vader retroactively trying to make things fit a story which I don't think he really had in his mind when he wrote the original script and that rumor was that Darth Vader means dark father in German it doesn't I think Vader means father in Dutch, but it's pronounced father or close to father. It's not pronounced Vader. There's no indication, obviously, throughout Episode IV, the very first Star Wars, that Darth Vader is the main character, that Darth Vader has any kind of family connection to either Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia, yet he's supposed to be their father. And for all of his force powers and apparently his daughter's force powers, the very first opening scene of Star Wars, there's absolutely no indication that Darth Vader has the slightest clue, despite the fact he is likely described as one of the most powerful force users of all time, that the woman he's interrogating is his own daughter. So there are so many holes as you get older throughout all of the trilogies that came after, you know, the first trilogy full of plot holes, second trilogy full of even more plot holes. The trilogy just goes downhill from there. And yet, I still love it.

6:48:14 And my favourite scene of the whole thing is, and it's in John Williams, the composer, makes the scene, I would say, is where Darth Vader gets into the final lightsaber fight with Luke Skywalker, his son, at the end of Return of the Jedi. And Luke does not want to turn to the dark side. And Darth Vader is cajoling him, you know, tempting him. And he's saying, the line is, well, Darth Vader says well, if you will not turn to the dark side, perhaps she will. Talking about Luke's sister, having just revealed, I know that you've got a sister. Ah, a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. If you will not turn to the dark side, perhaps she will. And the music underneath this is just amazing. John Williams just does this amazing thing of pulling at your heartstrings. And at that point, of course, Luke Skywalker snaps and kind of does turn to the dark side. And it's the only way he's able to beat Darth Vader. And I still like to re-watch that scene just to hear that piece of music and to watch that deeply emotional interplay between them two and to see Luke's struggle which is only broken when his own sister is threatened so fantastic anyway as you can see I could talk for ages about uh the all the trilogies I've read books that are outside of canon and most of the books are inside of canon I think the the Thrawn series the Admiral Thrawn series Heir to the Empire that is an absolutely astonishing series of books A lot of intrigue, brilliant characters that stand shoulder to shoulder with the original characters that George Lucas created.

6:49:47 The Dow of poached eggs. The moral of the story is, if you're aligned with the Dow, it will do about 95% of the work for you. So, be lazy my friends. Has anyone else found that listening to chats on 2X Speed makes you talk faster? I found that when I'm responding to chats, sometimes I'll be talking at 2x speed, basically. Mirror neurons are crazy. I'm always surprised how slowly I speak. I was waiting for you to have the weather report for Sunday, David Lund style. See, I told you, exactly, exactly. Okay, now you're asking me to turn the camera on and just the proof that I was in the Spider-Man movie. For example, here's my proof right now that I'm a human here.

6:50:37 I was waiting for you to have the weather report for Sunday, David Lund style. Semiconductor manufacturing has to be one of the most interesting things we're doing as a people right now. There's a pretty recent book called Chip Wars, which I recall also tells about the history of chip making. Then Acquired podcast also had probably the longest episode series about NVIDIA, and it goes to the core and heart of chip making. and they probably had some other episodes as well. They're really fascinating stories how all these came together from the Californian vineyards and then with all the high-tech history how these famous companies we know now started pretty much from humble beginnings. Doesn't this sound like using the TikTok algorithm now on Instagram? They say it's for the good of the smaller creators, but it just sounds pretty much the basic TikTok algorithm.

6:51:32 More likely just preparing for the change, whatever happens with TikTok in the US, but also for competition purposes they need to adjust their models. It's true that current technology can generate visuals as well, but it's slow and it's not that good. And we don't allow video uploads, we only allow recording with a camera, so it would be hard to do. So for example, if you were to respond immediately to somebody with a video of yourself with a front-facing camera, that's still quite difficult to fake. But up to you. you. For example, here's my proof right now that I'm human here. One of the interesting things about travel is that what is mundane to us in our day-to-day lives all of a sudden becomes intriguing, becomes interesting because it's new, it's fresh in a different environment. Like for example, I'm in a taxi in Kyoto and we run a bridge. I was like, oh cool, look, a bridge. And I was about to take a photo, but then I looked, it's just another bridge. I've seen so many bridges in the US. There's so many bridges back home and yet I've gotten used to them. And yet this little tiny bridge. I was like, oh wow, let me look at that bridge. I didn't take a photo of the bridge, but I did take a photo of the train, which is anything but mundane. It's the bullet train.

6:52:34 So while I was sitting in the lobby of the hotel waiting to check in, I was, you know, on my phone. And one of the staff came over with this little container of Japanese incense. And she said, we're going to do a ceremony. And she opened it and she put a little bit in my hands and I had to rub it. And the next thing is you put it over your face and you breathe it in and you center. And then you think about just what you want your experience here to be like. and there's something about the connection of sense of scent and then just looking at the view which I'm going to share with you in a second that just brought me to the present moment and very very far away from my phone and it was a great start to my stay at this place. Welcome to the 4U feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah welcome everybody.

6:53:25 Cameron well done my for you feed is incredible holy cow you somehow did it you somehow did it we'll keep improving it let's go what's your plan for today and your wife told you to do it hey guys i will be heading down to Estonia Latvia Lithuania Poland and work my way down to Greece and then to Istanbul um if you guys have any recommendations i'm happy to um put on my google map so I can make sure I visit all those places. Hey Jay, welcome to Eerchat. Sounds like an amazing trip you are at the moment. Enjoy every moment and feel free to ask if you have anything you want to know about Helsinki or the Baltics. I might have some ideas. What's your plan for today? I will laugh at mine in the evening. Do not look for meaning. It is in you.

6:54:21 Italy doesn't have an MLS like the US where it's a consolidated database of places for sale so it's whatever the real estate agent puts up and you might find different ones with different agents so in preparation to making our trip we're looking at like what do things go for and what is their what do they have there and things like that just kind of passively interested in Italy and would we want to invest like our auntie did and so let's say I found about 25 places for sale in this village, which is kind of a lot considering it's only about 800 people in the village. Well, upon arriving and walking the streets, it's not 25, it's probably like 75 or 50, just looking at the signs in the windows, Vendi signs, this place is for sale. And then as we got to stay a little bit longer and talk to more and more people, turns out it's not just those signs, it's probably double or triple the signs.

6:55:11 In other words, oh yeah, so-and-so would sell if you were interested, you know, oh yeah, your neighbor would sell, definitely, you want me to talk to him? And it turns out a massive, massive amount of that real estate is for sale. And some of it is insanely cheap. Like the place that we were staying in my family of seven was purchased by my aunt for $7,000. And then probably throw another $10,000 on there for a renovation. And it wasn't perfect yet, but it was very livable. And it was just fascinating to me how much of the town was for sale. Where you could end up buying a place and then buying the next door and then buying the next door. And another part to tie off this section. These Italians in this particular village were very, very friendly, and they were actually thankful to the expats who had shown up there, who were helping to preserve and rebuild and keep those houses going and support the town. And I found that to be amazing, and I was shocked in a positive way, because that is so rare, I feel like, anywhere. And I don't think that was even typically Italian. I think it was special to that town.

6:56:04 They had a very positive mentality towards people who were coming to buy and maintain and support this old medieval village. many of the italians inherited these village places from their families but because they are second homes or vacation homes this is what i was told when i was there they are taxed at a high rate and that's one of the reasons people are not hanging on to them but selling them even though they might have been in the family for a while and one of the things they will do talking about tax quote-unquote loopholes or excessive taxation is if a home is not inhabitable then it's not taxed or it's taxed at a very small rate, I can't remember. So what they will do when they have one of these homes they don't want to lose, but they also can't afford to pay taxes on it, is they'll go over there and they'll break a hole, or they'll break holes in the roof, so that the house becomes uninhabitable, and therefore they don't have to pay taxes.

6:56:55 So you look around and you see these Italian homes that are in the countryside, and they have holes in the roof. Some of that is tax-incentivized destruction of their own property, so that they can hang on to their property. And I just think that's a great anecdote for what government does when it overreaches in terms of taxation. Yeah, Justin Finkelstein and I have been waiting for this platform, I think, for 11 years. I mean, we've been talking about this for so long, over a decade. It's really about being able to use voice to communicate with people in a one-to-many fashion. With the direct messages, we're able to tackle the one-to-one. And I don't know if we're going to be able to get groups, which is going to be fantastic. If we're able to get those threaded discussions on here, it's going to be the best thing ever. the eyes oh the eyes the eyes are sending me into fantasy land and making me cook stories in my head so utterly beautiful oh no janead if you find another pup with eyes like that we have to get it to priyanka i think there's a big distinction to be made between questions that might be unwise to ask versus dumb questions or naive questions and i think that sometimes i recognize an area where i feel i'm extremely naive but once i start asking questions i realize that i wasn't as naive as i first thought is that a result of the dumb questions also whether somebody bothers to answer those questions uh signals something can they bring something new to it even though it's already well, basics and well-known, can they make it fresh and interesting for themselves?

6:58:30 So they actually bring completely new ideas or just playing with it in a new way, which is refreshing for everyone. And all these are showing the level and depth of command of the topic by the person who is replying. This is the environment where everybody becomes a winner. Oh, this is really cool. This is a lot closer to what I was looking for. I do think that even if this organization was operating in the U.S. or it worked in the U.S., it still wouldn't scale to the level that I'm actually looking for because they're charging. Like the pricing scheme is such that you're paying a fair amount per user, it looks like. And so if you wanted to scale the network such that like literally hundreds of thousands of individuals all had very small slices of equity in the underlying company assets, I'm not sure it would get there. but this is directionally a lot more correct. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. It also makes me wonder if there's a way to, even being in the United States and wanting to operate a company as a U.S. company, like maybe just incorporate in the EU to try to experiment with this type of incentivization structure. Anyway, thanks.

6:59:39 Why don't you ping the CEO co-founder, Tavi Kotka. He was running the Estonian government e-initiative quite a while. And they've been innovating quite a lot with the legal and company structures in Estonia, also taxation. So it's really receptive. So probably there's a way for it to work. So I'm sure that they're also looking at the US market, but starting probably from the closest and the easiest. but I think it might be worthwhile to ping him and check it out if you're seriously considering. but have that total amount never exceed 10% or whatever predetermined amount of ownership they wanted to dedicate to the users. Are there any blockchain or crypto solutions or even solutions outside of crypto to manage this kind of thing, especially in a way that doesn't require the users to go out and download a new wallet or to understand crypto in order to participate?

7:01:00 There's an Estonian company called Kors.io who is doing something which is compliant with the EU and UK regulation. I don't think they are available in the US. Oh, this is really cool. This is a lot closer to what I was looking for. I do think that even if this organization was operating in the US or it worked in the US, it still wouldn't scale to the level that I'm actually looking for because they're charging. Like the pricing scheme is such that you're paying a fair amount per user, it looks like. And so if you wanted to scale the network such that like literally hundreds of thousands of individuals all had very small slices of equity in the underlying company assets, I'm not sure it would get there. But this is directionally a lot more correct. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. It also makes me wonder if there's a way to, even being in the United States and wanting to operate a company as a U.S. company, maybe just incorporate in the EU to try to experiment with this type of incentivization structure. Anyway, thanks.

7:02:01 By the way, in the notifications, my like doesn't turn into red. That one like is mine, and when I go to the actual thread, it's red, but it's on the notifications. Black heart. So at least for these two bugs, rest assured, we have them on the docket, but they may not get fixed for quite a while, because they're just quality of life issues, they're not make or break. Yeah, I mean, on that, no worries, I think I've reported this weeks ago, it's been there probably, I wouldn't say months, but many, many, many weeks, and I've been putting the test flight and probably even told you, so I actually just bump it up again. Also, there's this level of engagement farming where they are not really interested of the answer. They don't even bother about the answer. It's more about that level of signaling or just filling some content or getting the discussion going. On some level, I feel a little bit indirectly called out by that. Not directly because you don't know who I am, but generally, I'm the kind of person where I will ask questions.

7:03:01 And then I will not engage in follow-ups for the mere exhaustion of having done so. I don't know. It's a weird thing. Well, personally, I don't think I've been interacting with you. But if I notice that type of a behavior, I stop responding. If I see that there's no reaction from the original person. It doesn't mean that you always have to do that. But it seems to be like a trend that it's just questions and never any other interaction. It just starts to feel like that's why I'm doing this. A dumb question to me is a question that somebody asks to, with the intention of sounding or coming across more intelligent or intellectual, rather than being genuinely curious and asking a question to want to understand something. Somebody won the argument. And it was definitely the end of the discussion because he didn't want to admit it. So yeah, nice one.

7:03:55 I tried to explain board games through how it was created, how the rules were decided. The basic rule for a werewolf, mafia, or traitor's game is that there's two rounds. The round where the innocent gets murdered, and the round where people try to find out the traitor's and banish them. The end goal is to banish either the werewolf, the traitor's, or the civilian's innocence. or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah, welcome everybody. You should see new content from new people that you haven't seen before that you like to talk to, and in general it should feel more curated and higher quality than the reverse Quran following feed. Welcome to the For You feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah, welcome everybody. Well, you can mix them. You can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing so saying is one thing but doing is completely different level walk the talk or just walk what's your sound but we have here a sound engineer who just got a new sound equipment and he's eager to test it on air chat so maybe i will ping him here and maybe you can send him the files and you can play around with the sounds as well i know he's already familiar from the whispering channel well you can mix them you can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing So saying is one thing, but doing is completely different level.

7:05:48 The big is only made up of the small, in my opinion. Evolution can only be sort of teased out on large timescales. It's happening now, but it's only evident when there's enough small changes built up that a big change becomes obvious. So to me, I have a personal mantra that I use because I'm a long-distance backpacker. I've walked over 10,000 miles on long-distance trails. And for me, I have this saying, you know, just keep walking. And really, that is all about this idea of the walking is basically building up the small changes. And if you keep walking, you'll build up enough small changes that at some point you turn around and look back and you realize you've walked thousands of miles. That's a big change.

7:06:35 Create the society you want to live in. Well, you can mix them. You can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones. but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing so saying is one thing but doing is completely different level you're like the crazy guy at the party except instead of seeing a ghost that no one else can see everyone else sees a ghost that you can't see a discopal reflecting upon others. I remember my first time I couldn't sit there for 10 minutes without checking my phone or something.

7:07:36 It was about 12, 13 years ago. And guided meditation in that case can help to get the habit, get the neck of it. And then slowly transition into sound meditation. That's what I think. Yeah, what I meant to say is that you need to concentrate in order to be in that effortless awareness observing state. But it's too hard in the beginning. So for example, in Vipassana, it's at least one of the methods is to observe your flow of air in and out, not the breathing, but how the air moves. And you just keep your concentration on that one. But what happens if you're observing it, you flip out of it and you don't notice that one. You just notice that you're not there anymore. So that's basically really hard in the beginning to sustain that state.

7:08:27 and there's a lot of things going on at the same time. Now, it's also important to note that when you say concentrate during meditation to someone who's never done it before, who's a beginner, they immediately get very tense. They become stressed and anxious because they think they have to apply a lot of effort in order to not lose the point of their focus. And that is counterproductive. That is the contrary of what you want to achieve during meditation. During meditation, you want to be utterly relaxed. And that's why I'm thinking of it as a relaxation, relaxed, effortless awareness. And yes, the mind will drift off. But then you remember why you're sitting with your eyes closed and what are you doing. And you gently bring the focus back to the present moment, to yourself, to witnessing, to noticing, etc. Then it drifts away and then you do it again. But in a very relaxed and effortless state. Hello, everyone.

7:09:15 I went to a beautiful tea place yesterday with one of the AirChat members, Arjun. So this tea place is one of the best in Tokyo. I highly recommend to visit if you come to Tokyo. And this thing of showing up every single day, no matter if you're up or down, if things are up or down, kills most of the people who embark on the journey. Not the difficulty of the task per se, but the fact that you need to do it over and over again. That's kind of the crazy mindset. Create via inspiration, build via perspiration, improve via iteration, and then get paid via repetition. Yesterday I learned that if you say that people on Instagram, the Instagram users are dumber than let's say Twitter or AirChat users, which to me it still seems true because the users on Twitter or AirChat are intellectually more developed than the people who just post photos and reels on Instagram.

7:10:14 but if you say that then all the people on air chat who are also on instagram they feel offended they feel insulted do people not understand nuance i am saying that being on instagram myself i am on instagram i post pictures of instagram i i hardly log into facebook but i am on instagram i post pictures reels stories memes everything on instagram and i can still say that by and large by and large people the users of Instagram and Facebook and those platforms are intellectually not if I don't want to say the word dumb then they are not intellectually as capable as the people on Twitter and I chat I can still say that because I expect people to understand the nuance and to be speaking by and large but yeah people got offended I'm also on Instagram so you are insulting me and they came at me with such arguments and unfortunately I had to block three people. The first three people on Headchat. If you can't understand nuance and if you can't take these casual posts sportively, these are not well thought out essays. These are not, you know, you get it, right? It's not an article which I've published which is the truth. This is just a conversation. I can say anything that occurs to my mind and then we can have a conversation and we can just take it sportively.

7:11:36 If some people can't do that, I can't have conversations with them, so I block them. And if you think I'm offensive, please go ahead and block me. Simple. You cannot say anything interesting on the internet without offending some person or another. So if you're confident that what you're saying is true, you should be willing to defend it and stand your ground. Upon my worst enemies only would I wish a journey inside an AC car with leather seats and closed windows and lots of perfume. How about if you have a bottle of pastis and it broke in the trunk of the car and it's connected to the rest of the car? It's summertime and a weekend and you let the car be there. I can tell you, that stinks. You can see this with the exception of a few industries like drones where we regulated ourselves out of the game. The Chinese products are almost always inferior and on less demand.

7:12:25 They're only sold to captive audiences in China and Southeast Asia. The restrictive access to information is also something which will hinder their progress internally. if people are not allowed to see all the latest developments and research and contribute what's happening globally outside elsewhere, that will also have an effect on the discoveries and new things. And I think that also happened during the previous experiment with the Soviets and the closed systems and restricted travel. Thanks Naval. I will give them a follow. And additionally, I'm happy to see a fellow Finnish person on that list. Hey Ari, there are a few Finns here. I don't know whether there's enough to have a Finnish group, but suddenly there are already a few of us here. That's good to know, Petri. I'm looking forward to reaching out to more people on this platform early in my journey. Hi, everybody.

7:13:13 There should be new builds of AirChat in both the iOS App Store as well as the Google Play Store, so please update. Some changes you will notice is that a channel's directory has finally arrived to Android, so that should be helpful for those of you looking for a channel to join. We're also now tagging new posts from new users, so you can more clearly identify who the new users on the app are and perhaps welcome them and help them out. And then we have a lot more notification settings. So now you can get notifications for replies even from people that you don't follow. So that'll let you respond to conversations faster. And you'll get notified of reposts as well and likes from people that you follow. So if you find those settings to be too much or if you want to dial them up or down, you should be able to do that from the settings menu. You should go to microadjust notifications. And from the notifications that you receive themselves on the lock screen or on your Apple Watch, you can also make some modifications. Let us know if you have any questions. It sounds like you've been having some coding issues. So ChatGPT is not a friend of yours, and you cannot find it from the StackFlow, or how it's called.

7:14:05 And yeah, it's just so hard. And when you figure it out, and you have the patience to put it to pieces, and it works, you wonder what was all the fuss about. Well, I can relate to that part at least. Absolutely, sir. I agree. That's exactly what I do. So you cannot stop thinking. You have to keep thinking and use it for the stuff that you kind of know the answer, and you just want to see. and often times it has very efficient ways, especially if you're giving it a small function, where you tell it what the inputs are going to be, and what the expected output is, and what needs to be processed and how it should be processed. It's pretty cool with that, it's good with that, it's very efficient with that. But then you have to be the one that does the logic chain of setting it all up so that it follows a certain sequence, and then once it's all working, you then go into optimizations. But it's a powerful tool, man. Anyone who doesn't use it is doing a disservice to themselves. I have 48 hours left in Japan. I'm here with James Lin and it's 1:00 a.m.

7:15:03 But we decided that we are going to go uber to Mount Fuji from Tokyo. So it's it to go hike it. So that's what we're doing right now. We're going back to our hotel right now before we Grab all of our stuff and then head over and we'll figure out where to stay. Heck, we might just be Degenerate and stay up to watch Sun sunrise at like 5:00 6:00 a.m. Unfortunately, it's a bit too off-season to climb, but you know, fuck it. You only live once. Let's do this, James! Let's fucking go. Hi to everybody. Glad to be here. Xenia, thank you for the invitation. Now I'm on vacation in Thailand, so I'm a little bit busy for social life, but a little bit later, I'll learn all about this platform. And then I'll start to post here. Thank you.

7:15:53 Welcome Ilja to AirChat. This is probably the best place to test your new material as well. There's a lot of people who are willing to talk and explore and explain things and just have fun and fool around. So take a look around, follow some people and you will feel home here in no time. Hey Ari, there are a few Finns here. I don't know whether there's enough to have a Finnish group, but certainly there are already a few of us here. It means something like this: This is the cover version, but I think there's already a karaoke time. It stops you off starting the Finnish sub-threading there, but I don't believe there's enough families to be able to spin off. Does anybody else experience this mind state where when you're struggling and struggling through something, you also feel so miserable?

7:16:48 like the world hates you does anybody else feel that because that's what happens to me when i'm struggling with something i can't solve it feels like the world is falling apart that nothing in this world ever works oh man like i just become so sad and then as soon as i've solved it i'm like what were you on about does this happen to you as well it sounds like you've been having some coding issues so chat gpt is not a friend of yours and you cannot find it from the stack flow or how it's called and uh yeah it's just so hard and when you figure it out and you have the patience to put it to pieces and it works you wonder what was all the fuss about well i can relate to that part at least what's your favorite podcast player what are the things you really love about it and what do you really hate about it and what are the things what are missing on the shortcut side so you can run it through apple's transcription over the audio or you could use the openai is it the whisper API to transcribe.

7:18:10 There's a form of intellectual sophistry in which people try to convince you that you have no free will or that life has no meaning. But yet your lived experience in every moment is as if you have free will and that life has meaning. So how do you reconcile this paradox? Hey, AirChat fam! Please welcome my dear friend Ilya Aksarot. He is the best comedian from Israel, captivating audience around the world with his sharp wit and engaging humor. Besides making people laugh, he is a skilled producer and director of commercials and documentary films.

7:19:05 In his role as a reservist in the Israel army, Ilya is crucial in public relations, teaching the population how to act in emergency situations. Off stage, he's a devoted and slightly eccentric father who loves football and adores his grandmother's cooking. Welcome to AirChat. One area Apple could offer something new is in the user experience and the way in which language models are used within workflows. Chat isn't the best user experience for many processes which could make use of LLM. So, I mean, historically, they're really strong on new user interface idioms. Maybe this is an opportunity for them to bring something new to the table. Yeah, there's a lot of things you can do underneath, and you don't need to chat or do these things.

7:19:59 And I think, for example, with image processing, to just remove the backgrounds and doing a lot of these sophisticated things underneath may look really simple or just a feature in the regular apps. But I think that's what Apple can do when it's doing, and we may not appreciate those things. looking for just a chat interface and obviously having the Siri which is not the best of anything been for more like a decade the expectations to have that form work exceptionally well is pretty hyper. Nokia used to be really good with the hardware they were in the 80s and 90s in the game but then the screen technology changed and the operating systems started to be the issue so the resistive screen technology where you need to push with the pencil didn't really work and then Apple came out with the capacitance ones which we are now using and the os symbion didn't really work with the with this new one nokia had all that they probably were among the first if not the first to innovate with these things and test them but they never really jump on board and then came apple so maybe there's a chance that apple has missed the boat they still have the good technology they are still really good with the with the chips and doing the computing on the edge on the local devices but if the computing technology platform is the LLM in the future and they don't have that, maybe this is the Nokia moment. Yeah, they're in a good position with the M-series chips and integration with the hardware so that's an advantage they have and the others don't really have. So it's just plug-in that to the operating system and LLM is becoming an integral part of it.

7:21:25 So it's a long play. Of course, I don't know how much the training and the difficulties like the famous CTO face when asked about the YouTube training videos or training with the YouTube videos. So that's the big elephant on the room. You can't start from scratch anymore because it's too evident and obvious if you suck in the whole internet and you just disregard the copyrights, it just cannot be done anymore. So you have to buy something that's already done and that's the easier way to do it and probably the only way to do it for these big companies. Wait, why can't they train on YouTube anymore? I mean, obviously everybody train on YouTube. what's to stop them from doing it again through some plausibly deniable way and what lets the existing guys get away with it and you guys can't do it. I'm not challenging the statement, I'm simply inquiring because I want to know what's changed. Well that's the Pandora's box, isn't it? It kind of warms. If you open it, then where's the stop of it? And maybe you're late to the game anyways because there are already lawsuits at the moment from artists and different people who are claiming for their copyright. So if you go to YouTube and ask for a license are they going to give it to you if you're Apple?

7:22:24 Maybe they do that. But I'm just saying that going out and open and doing it now and not doing covertly might be more difficult because that deniability is not there anymore. It's just too late for that game. Which circles back to Gary's original comment that, hey, this is not a Ford-looking company anymore. This is not a growth company. It's not an innovation company. It's just a holding company. Nokia used to be really good with the hardware. They were in the 80s and 90s in the game. But then the screen technology changed and operating systems started to be the issue so the resistive screen technology where you need to push with the pencil didn't really work and then apple came out with the capacitance ones which we are now using and the os symbion didn't really work with the with this new one nokia had all that they probably were among the first if not the first to innovate with these things and test them but they never really jump on board and then came apple so maybe there's chance that Apple has missed about. They still have the good technology, they are still really good with the chips and doing the computing on the edge on the local devices, but if the computing technology, the platform, is the LLM in the future and they don't have that, maybe this is their Nokia moment.

7:23:35 And that is the beauty of a founder-run company. Founder-run companies aren't afraid to admit their mistakes and they don't sit on their laurels. They always take new risks. Which circles back to Gary's original comment that, hey, this is not a Ford-looking company anymore. This is not a growth company. It's not an innovation company. It's just a holding company. Apple just isn't very good at cloud stuff. It's difficult enough to be good at hardware and decent at software, but then trying to do large-scale cloud computing is its own challenge. Just like you can see, Google is better at the cloud computing stuff because that's their birthright, but they're just mediocre at software and not good at hardware. So every one of these companies, including the big ones, has a certain DNA, and Apple's is clearly not in anything that would enable them to train foundational models, and it just shows over and over and over again. My guess is that they will make a very late and very expensive acquisition in this space. I was trying to even figure out who would be the target. And it's really difficult because the big ones have already been picking up. Meta has its own. Antrofic is with Amazon.

7:24:26 And OpenAI is with MS. And Google has its own thing. So what's left there? Maybe it's something which hasn't yet become to the radar. But it's not like there's so many of the big ones left. There are still several around. And I think that more will emerge, especially once the bloom wears off the AI rows. Like any tech boom cycle, there's a bus cycle. and we've probably gotten ahead of ourselves in some of the AI foundational companies. So they have to come down a little bit. And then I think Apple will have an opportunity to buy at least somebody decent in the space. But it is getting late in the game. I mean, so many reasons. I don't know where to start. I think, because I acknowledge that like being open and exposed is how you sort of like expand the circles a bit and you encounter new people and those interactions are fun, right? But I don't like having a ledger of all these little snapshots of my being like strung together in time and then just there kind of for the permanent record. And it's like, I think it's, I've been having this conversation in a few different places in your chat, so I'm kind of like synthesizing ideas from there.

7:25:22 I don't know if this is original at all. It's just that like, like me as an ephemeral being is dynamic and sometimes it's ugly and sometimes it's crude or uncomfortable or there's social faux pas or there's just these moments, you know? And if I'm trying to act in good faith in a space, then like there's going to be sides of me that like are just on display. They're just like, they're fine if you're with friends or in a trusted environment, like are they fine if you have hundreds or thousands of people who would eventually just like be like observing into the conversation i just don't want that dynamic you know i don't want that dynamic i'm not one of these enlightened gurus you know i'm not a fucking kid genius i'm not i'm just a guy and you know i've got my problems and me acting or expressing innately or organically um means that some of those things are going to be present at times and some of those things are present best in good company you know and on a public platform you're always going to be necessarily exposed to good company you know and so i guess the question is like why would anyone invite that in on themselves unless they're restrictive restricting parts of themselves or being performative or whatever so anyways uh you asked the question i could go on this forever so i'm gonna stop this shit and anyways i hope you're not out of the town with your air chatting friend with one that's really exciting that you guys met up actually you and linda that's see that's that's some of the magic of air chat so that's why i'm i don't know it's all talk and music. Hey, Nicholas. Yeah, what I hear there and I feel in your words is this fear of the faceless masses judging you. And yeah, I know that fear. Well, it's, you know, terrified me for much of my life. And then, like you said, it feels like, oh, well, the alternative is either I just leave or I kind of really perform and curate myself so only my polished Instagram self appears here. But that doesn't feel right either. And that's what I hear in your words as well, like you don't want that either. And it seems like if we let go of that idea of the faceless

7:27:33 masses and we're just talking to the person in front of us and we express what feels right and feels good to express to that person, then it kind of just sheds a whole load of stuff. And like Petri was saying, right, it's something that you can stand behind and it's in the moment, it's an authentic expression. I think that simplifies things. And for the mind, it can also help to know that the only one going through our permanent records, so to speak, is ourselves. No one else has got that kind of existential angst about us. So I hope you keep sharing on here because it's the humanity and the kind of mess that I think we're missing elsewhere.

7:28:34 And there's this term wabi-sabi. I don't know if you're familiar with it. which is like, you know, like those handcrafted clay jugs and so forth. They're not perfect. They have this kind of organic handcrafted feel in the moment. And that's what I think I love about AirChat. So glad to have you here. I had a wonderful Japanese tea experience with none other than Akane, who showed me around Tokyo a bit. They pay so close attention to detail here, which I really love. I mean, so many reasons. I don't know where to start. I think because I acknowledge that like being open and exposed is how you sort of like expand the circles a bit. and you encounter new people and those interactions are fun right but i don't like having a ledger of all these little snapshots of my being like strung together in time and then just there kind of for the permanent record and it's like i think it's i've been having this conversation in a few different places in your chat so i'm kind of like synthesizing ideas from there i don't know if this is original at all it's just that like like me as an ephemeral being is dynamic and sometimes it's ugly and sometimes it's crude or uncomfortable or there's social fupas or there's just these moments you know and if i'm trying to act in good faith in a space then like there's going to be sides of me that like are just on display that are just like they're fine if you're with friends or in a trusted environment but like are they fine if you have hundreds or thousands of people who would eventually just like be like observing into the conversation i just don't want that dynamic you know i don't want that dynamic i'm not one of these enlightened gurus you know on air chat i'm not a fucking kid genius i'm not i'm just a guy and you know i've got my problems and me acting or expressing innately or organically um means that some of those things are going to be present at times and some of those things are present best in good company you know and on a public platform you're not always going to be necessarily exposed to good company you know and so i guess the question is like why would anyone invite that in on themselves unless they're restrictive restricting parts of themselves or being performative or whatever so anyways uh you asked the question i could go on this forever so i'm gonna stop this shit and anyways i hope you're not out of the town with your air chatting friend with slun that's really exciting that you guys met up actually you and linda that's see that's that's some of the magic of air chat so that's why

7:30:39 i'm i don't know it's all confusing it only will be if you will participate and the rest of the people who are here are doing that and they are not going to in hiding with the private groups and they're going to express themselves and behave properly and do all those things because that's what everybody's craving for good genuine conversations respectful conversations and it's up to us to do that and if you're not doing that then everybody is losing also now i think i got your attention for just a moment i uh i love arvo so much and i think i've had two interactions on in chat with you where uh arvo has been a part of it and or maybe you just liked one post and then uh you know you had sent me that article or you told me to find that article a while ago and so just cheers to having a friend in the international community who likes mr parks because his music is really, really, really invokes a sense of meaning in me. And so it's cool that AirChat has these three threads, and Arvo is one of them for me.

7:31:32 So cheers to you, bro. Create the society you want to live in. I don't think it's nice to have for Apple. I think it's existential for Apple. Eventually, these AI agents become the platform, and then their device monopoly can be unbundled. Isn't Apple trying to do on-device local edge LLMs which are integrated to the operating system? So can they use and adjust some of the existing ones? Probably. Does it take a lot of customization to optimize it for the battery life and performance? Maybe. So as Apple is so late with all the new things, it probably will be taking some time for getting the good stuff out. In the meanwhile, while we have to use third-party apps. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is down.

7:32:22 Oh, it was. It's already up again. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is down. Honestly, I think you're spot on. And the LLM thing was kind of a joke. Just a shitty one. But I got to say, the funniest person I've ever known in my life. Shout out, Cass, out there. I know we don't talk anymore, but you're amazing. Anyways, we worked at a restaurant together and it was just, I mean, like her ability to turn the otherwise just most mundane interactions in the restaurant into just absolute like high humor. I mean, it was a brilliance in and of itself. And so, you know, I was more of a passive observer and her just constant ability to be funny as fuck. So, yeah, absolutely. The emergence of it, right? The context of it, the play of it, right? The sort of organic arrival of it. They're all seem to be really essential components to the spirit of humor, if you will. they already announced that they're partnering with google to use uh their lm tech of course um i don't know how much the training and the difficulties like the famous cto face when asked about the youtube training videos or training with the youtube videos so that's the big elephant on the room you can't start from scratch anymore because it's too evident and obvious if you suck in the whole internet and you just disregard the copyrights it just cannot be done anymore so you have to buy something it's already done and that's the easier way to do it and probably the only way to do it for these big companies. A very good point Gary Tan. Imagine having an extra 110 billion dollars and you're not training your own foundational model. Has anybody else already got the Rapid One? Matt Slicht sent out the email and he said that he's been using it and it's similar to the famous review by the MQBHD, barely reviewable.

7:34:07 So it's disappointing. It doesn't really work at all. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is done. All right. So are we going to post these Naval memes or what? Well, the 50 kilometers, for example, was based on a friend of mine. He's been at least two decades traveling around the world. so often that somebody calculated that even though he's landed in some city, he's still moving on average that speed because he was just doing so many miles, so many miles, and he's hopping around the world maybe once or twice a week or more or less. So that's where the speed comes from. It doesn't mean that Naval needs to always be virtually moving. He can be in some cities, but probably he has some private plane. I don't know how he does that, but he's always moving and he's always awake. And that's at least omnipresence he gets here. You can just test it yourself.

7:35:00 Can you point another post within the last four hours? We only get to do the protocol game if we get users. And if we get people using the platform en masse, a protocol without people is failed. And so first we have to get the users, then we have to stabilize it enough that we say, okay, it's relatively static, and then we can extract out what part of it is the protocol, and then it makes sense to make that part of the protocol distributed and sort of invulnerable and uncensorable over time. But this is a multi-step process. It could take decades, it could happen in years, it could never happen. It just depends on how things play out. What comes to the resources, ADPRODO has a skyfeed.app. It's a third-party Alco build, so you can create your own feed by it. And it's using the devs hosting, I think, for putting the feed together for you. So it's not straining BlueSky's resources to do that. And that could be a way also if you open up. So you let people to plug in, but they have to use their own means and methods. And that probably also encourages some kind of monetization experiments. I don't think that's the core reason. For example, if uranium wasn't radioactive and it was relatively scarce, we could also use that as money. Or gold does have some productive uses, but we still have used it as money in the past. Same with silver. I think the reason is because of the properties of what makes for good hard money normally do not go with consumable goods. And those properties are things like durability, scarcity, divisibility, verifiability, ease of transfer, etc., etc. Also fungibility, programmability for modern electronic money. So all of those properties are way more important.

7:36:28 Now, if it was a consumable good, then it doesn't necessarily have durability, and it does not have easy divisibility, and it certainly would not have scarcity because we'd be producing more of it to consume more of it. So I think the fact that we don't use consumable goods is because they are bad at these six or seven properties, not purely because they're consumable goods. But yes, it's all very interrelated. Going for the origin of money, I think, was exactly the usability which made it a good one with all those properties and which was left when you list and use all of them and test them out by the marketplace. Then it was gold and silver, these hard metals, which were left out because the rest didn't really work like X. Oops, it's gone. But I think what is different between Bitcoin and gold, for example, is that, well, gold is, well, they are these properties. It's too heavy to carry around and all the difficulties. But what it has and what Bitcoin doesn't have is that it has all these other uses.

7:37:19 So you can always use it for jewelry or some other means. And Bitcoin has difficulties with that one. So there's this bit which makes gold better. But then it's a trade-off. Do you want to carry it around? And how do you use it? Yeah, I think we are in the new gold era now. Yes, I have watched that series of lectures by Feynman. I can't remember it. And I won't go trying to watch it again now. What I understand of Feynman's perspective was he was just missing a piece of the puzzle. So he thought that we could sum over the histories. In other words, the particle's position or what we observe of a particle or what we observe of a quantum system now has to be explained by all the possible histories that the particle could have gone through, which is exactly right. But I think he was silent on whether those histories really existed. However, philosophically speaking, if the histories are actually affecting the present, then it has to be the case that they exist.

7:38:12 they have some real existence, whether we observe them or not. I've made this point over and over again. It doesn't matter whether you can, in principle, observe something or not. That doesn't mean anything about whether it's real. If it features in the explanation, it's real. The core of the sun, as I like to say, cannot be observed. The Big Bang cannot be observed. The past can't be observed. We don't see dinosaurs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So when it comes to Feynman's idea about looking at the history, it's the path integral interpretation. So you integrate across the entire history of the particle to explain where it is now. Well, all of those paths that it could have taken in the past. Well, it really did take in the past because they form part of the explanation in order to predict where it is now and where it's going to be in the future and that kind of thing. So I can't remember what he said about the reality of the situation. He was a realist, but whatever the case is, he was probably circling around the idea of whatever it eventually got to without actually nailing it on the head. He was interested in other matters, I suppose. But that's about as much as I know about it. I don't think he was an instrumentalist, and that's not the traditional view. The instrumentalist view is, well, you just use the mathematical formulae in order to predict what's going to happen next. And you stay, you just say nothing about whether or not things really exist or not. Now, Feynman wasn't like that, okay, particles really existed and so on and so forth. So he wasn't a complete instrumentalist.

7:39:20 But the traditional view, so far as I know, was not instrumentalist either. It said things like observation causes the collapse of the wave function, that kind of thing. So the observer then became a part of physics. There was a separate physics which explained the observer, which itself went unexplained. And so people said, you know, there's this mystery at the heart of quantum mechanics, which takes you back to Feynman, who said, if you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics, which was an irrational thing to say, a very rare thing for Feynman to have said. So I think what he's admitting there, now that I come to think of it, is he himself didn't understand it. He was talking about the histories and so on and so forth, but he was just saying, well, although I can do this path integral thing in order to explain the position of the particle now, I'm staying silent on it. I don't understand it. But he should have had the courage of his convictions. It's sort of an analogue to Einstein, whose equations in general relativity predicted an expanding or contracting universe. So he thought that space could have expanded, according to his own theory was telling him that. But of course, all the other physicists at the time said, well, that's a ridiculous idea. Of course, the universe is not expanding. And it wasn't until Edwin Hubble came along and said, hey, the universe is expanding. Here's the experimental data that actually accords with this. So therefore, general relativity correctly predicts the expansion of the universe. And here's how you can observe that. So it's a similar kind of thing to that. You've got to have the courage of your convictions in science to say that if the equations are predicting something is required, then that's something that's required forms part of the explanation and really exists. Now, of course, other people want to say, how do you know it really, really exists? Well, then you get into these silly metaphysical arguments that I'm not interested in, where I'd like to just say, if it's there in the explanation, then it exists. What more do you want?

7:40:49 So I guess what I would love to be able to say to Feynman today is, if you're invoking multiple histories of a particular particle to explain where the particle is now, if that's what you're doing mathematically, why not just admit the history, the particle, has multiple histories? It really doesn't have a single history. In other words, it's not a single universe. I don't know what he'd say about that. He couldn't get his head around it probably because he thought it was illogical or something like that, that you can't have a particle with multiple histories, that this is just a mathematical trick that he was using. But it turns out, if you want to take it seriously, it's not just a trick. These aren't just mathematical tricks. You can't just use them in the instrumentalist way. If you want to do science, you want to understand. In the same way as I like to say, Kepler's laws of motion describe orbits, but you only ever observe a planet at a particular place at a particular time. You do not observe it at all points around the orbit, but no one is tempted to say those other points around the orbit don't actually exist. Of course not. And so it's a similar thing in quantum theory where if the equations say the particle has all these histories and indeed all these futures and all these presents, we have to admit they all exist, hence the multiverse.

7:41:55 If you are passionate about solving a problem that's entirely unsolvable, then you'll have something to do your entire life. That would be a lot of fun. That sounds like a crypto challenge. You guys have a conspiracy theory group, and I'm not in it. This is a problem. Tom, this sounds the original. It's a conspiracy. If you've been using HelloSign, check this out. They've been hacked. yes beatry this one oh it's so good it's so funny i wish we could i wish we could pin that to like the official air chat um reservoir that we could just create our own memes with and then we could use that reservoir to insert those memes into other posts. That sounds great. Like our own gift board, but with your chats. That was so great, Petri. Thank you. Thank you for that.

7:42:52 I saw some posts on Reddit recently about people stating that they're afraid of dying. Now, these are not people who are sick or facing an illness. They're normal, healthy people who have a very intense fear that someday they're going to die. The good old existentialist angst. And to that, I was thinking about it. To that, I would say, if you're truly afraid of dying, then you better be living fully sucking the juice out of every moment like no regrets just really truly be living because if you're not and you're living half-assed or holding back and not being true to yourself the grim reaper is going to pay a visit and he does to everyone but if he pays a visit and you've held back he's won if it pays a visit and you've truly truly lived you won does it feel scary to be in the world without a purpose wait you guys have a purpose but seriously I literally feel like in this lifetime, my purpose is to really enjoy my life.

7:43:46 I'm here with Andy, our brilliant Android engineer, and Ben, our brilliant iOS engineers, and we're going to try something. All right, Andy, do you want to respond to this post once I make it? All right, let's do it. Oh, it's not enough to talk to our phones and look weird in the public. Now we have to put our tongue out and move it left and right and top and up in order to control our chat. Is that it? yeah I don't I cannot still navigate with the shows and new episodes and all those things it's just confusing I don't know why I haven't just paid enough attention I haven't just bothered don't you find the speed smart adjustment distorting the original audio because it's somebody is waiting pausing a bit like I was in a second ago and sometimes it gives something for the discussion and you're taking that away so it can sort of make give you what's the best word for that clues which are not there cues which are not there and give you the wrong interpretation of what's being said i agree with you and the speed controls really matter to me in fact i am so thankful that air chat has three times speed because i listen to all of the podcasts and YouTube podcasts and videos at two times speed. So I really appreciate it. I have seen, I have seen one, I can't remember the name of it, but it was four times speed. It was just too fast for me. Spotify goes to 3.5 and if the production quality, the recording, but also the speakers are clear enough, that's doable. Four, I have tried, but it takes quite a lot to get to that one.

7:45:23 There are many layers to friendship and people you meet with very few. You click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? I measure the quality of my friendships with two yardsticks. Number one, if you can spend time sitting in silence with somebody without feeling the need to say something, then that person is your friend. And number two, if you can spend time with a person without having to consume something like food or entertainment, then that person is a friend.

7:46:25 So I have I'm lucky enough to have a few such friends. When I meet them, we just talk and talk and talk. We don't need to spend money. We don't need to do activities. We can just keep talking and we can enjoy the company. And we can sit silently also. So we keep talking, talking, talking for an hour. And then we just sit silently. If we've run out of things to say, we would sit silently until some other thought would occur, and then we would start talking again. And as you rightly said, we would not meet for many months or years also. That's happened. And when we meet again after many years, it's like we can pick up the conversation from where we left last time we met. So the two yardsticks are the important ones. I always view every friendship through those lenses. I'm doing some research on Charles Babbage, and Charles Babbage is the first person to come up with the idea of a computer.

7:47:18 And it's fascinating to read because he was, I believe, born in the late 1700s and died in the late 1800s. And he built two types of engines, the difference engine and the analytical engine. And the difference engine was a mechanical device meant to compute polynomial functions and eliminate human error in the creation of mathematical tables. He never completed it during his lifetime. But the more ambitious one was the difference engine. I'm sorry, the analytical engine. And it was designed to be a fully programmable computing machine. Can you imagine what it must have been like to be sitting in the 1800s around England, fooling around with mathematics and being like, man, you know what I need? I need a machine. A machine to calculate these things. I mean, sure, the Industrial Revolution was in full swing by that time in England.

7:48:08 But what a mind. Like, you really had to be plugged into the future. And I'm very curious of what, I wonder what the best biographies on Babbage are. It sounds like he's a pretty interesting character. If you have any stories about him, I'd love to hear him. You can make logic gates out of anything. I think it was even in the three-party problem, wasn't it? They made them out of people. So there was like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people there, persons that were being in flux. So you can make a steam engine to work as a computer. It's probably not very efficient. vacuum tubes where the previous version of the transistors but the efficiency wasn't there and you have to change them and they were like room sizes so i don't know how the steam engine would work and what would be the ibm equivalent of a mainframe of out of a steam engine but that would be just funny to think about it that way but certainly i i guess somebody would have made computers at that time i prefer the word creepers but the word creep and with the ogs it just has has a negative connotation, so I'm going to second unity, so let's call them the lurkers.

7:49:07 Google eyes and ears. Crypto is extremely powerful because it returns the control of money back to the people. It makes it peer-to-peer again. Once it is discovered, even if the governments of the world were to ban all cryptography, if they were to ban all tokens, if they were to ban all of it, it wouldn't matter because there would still be tens, hundreds of thousands, millions of people all over the world who just through the exercise of mathematics could agree upon some token as having value, meet each other wherever they want, and exchange those tokens with each other with no intermediary in between, while still being able to trust that just because of the mathematics, that they can exchange value in a way that one cannot rip the other one off. Why am I going through this philosophical preamble? Because that is the whole point of crypto. It is to replace existing government monies with the people's money. And until it has done that, it's almost not worth it to try and do anything else. So all the great investments in crypto are targeted towards this. Now, there are other things that are emerging like NFTs and art and gaming for composable games and composable game items on blockchains, and I'm not going to devalue those.

7:50:02 I just think they pale in comparison to the value of redefining what money is. If an AI or an alien species or a truly free society were to emerge today and start using money to interact with our economy, it would not use fiat currency. It would use crypto because that's programmable, that's storable, that's transmissible, that can be instantaneous, and it is hard to, it's easy to verify, hard to counterfeit, and scarce. So it has all the great properties of money or can. Crypto to me is a discovery. It is a discovery in the same sense that the airplane is a discovery, that AI is a discovery, that the internet is a discovery, and that once it is discovered, it is not going to be undiscovered. It is a fundamental thing. And the thing is that we have found a way to store value in a digital system that does not require a physical token or a blessing from some higher power or authority. It is a true peer-to-peer electronic value storage system.

7:50:51 His analysis is correct, but the thing that it doesn't account for is how easy it is to produce on AirChat. There might be more friction because less people have authentic conversations, but the ability to easily produce content is so nice. It's spitting from the dome. It just creates it. So maybe that's the one thing that will not make it the smallest network, but you never know. We'll see. Also, talking to yourself, a notion, pun intended, can be one way to slip into the main feed or, as some of the people are calling here, a lounge. Speaking of LinkedIn, I'm making fun of it. I saw this today. I just can't. I can't deal with LinkedIn. The early mode prediction for Thursday on EZ seems to be a pretty good day for going deeper discussions. We're already talking about protocols, networks, and making fun of LinkedIn, so there's a good start.

7:51:49 So in other words, if people agree that something is valuable, then it is valuable. I guess that's what you mean, right? I'm just trying to make sense of the whole conversation because it's highly technical and I'm not like the best crypto, I don't know, I don't have the knowledge you have, guys, so yeah. Value subjective. Three years ago I wrote something about these things. It's a great article you wrote, thank you for sharing. Life is about shattering your illusions. What do you think about children and illusions? I feel like children are quite pure in how they see life, you know, and then they get kind of, how do I say, tainted by the adult world. So you're very pure and you're not in the illusion when you're a child. You just don't know anything about anything.

7:52:40 So you're maybe a bit naive and kind of dumb, if you could say like this. But then you get new illusions, that would impose on you some illusions, right? And then you have to figure out how to break these illusions over time. So you can finish your life in the same childlike mentality or not. But it's kind of hard even for... Because the more knowledge you add, the easier it is to get illusioned by it, right? So what do you think about this? I know it's a bit kind of a random thought, but I found it maybe you could find it interesting, right? but they will quickly pick up the social cues from the surroundings how people are reacting what are the cultural assumptions what is accepted what is not accepted so they will start to get these and also stronger reactions coming from what are you doing and how you're behaving and the reactions to those ones and these can also imprint later in your life and you have forgot already that you the incident but also the what happened but the behavior patterns are still there and these assumptions are harder to settle later on in your life but if you start to question them at why i'm doing these type of things and then you realize that there's no logical law any particular good reason to do it but you're just doing them and then you can maybe backtrace them to some incident in your childhood and figure out that hey i don't need this i can get rid of this it's just a response i had it when i didn't know any better this definition is narrow so if you have an nft which is dependent on off-chain file hosting it means that it's not protected by blockchain so the asset is somewhat incomplete. Similarly if the network is not truly decentralized, the same thing happens. The value is the social consensus around that particular token on the blockchain. What are some of the things that made you feel that way that you experienced in Japan?

7:54:30 I'm curious because I've never been. So besides the obvious safety, cleanliness, extremely high level of competence and professionalism everywhere, the genuine helpfulness and politeness of essentially everyone you interact with. It's also surprising things like it's the pure aesthetic dimension of things just the way the place looks especially the larger cities and it's actually disorienting in another way because the scale doesn't make sense very often. There are inexplicably large buildings in the middle of nowhere with unknown functions or you know a giant school that serves three villages with a grand total of five children probably built a couple decades ago with expectations of a different trajectory for the country but and it's buildings that also don't make sense in the cities it looks like one of these crude photoshops where you just copy paste a part of the image a couple of times so it's like okay my brain intuitively expects this building to have this many floors and this this many you know fire exits or whatever features of whatever kind and then it's all six times broader and six times taller it's like taking lsd and looking into a tree and it kind of picks up this tiled repeating vibe and that's what a lot of things in japan actually look like in real life unless someone has been lacing my udon noodles with lsd which I would encourage. Life is about shattering your illusions. Oh 100 percent. We create illusions by holding on to experiences that become frozen images of how we feel the world should be.

7:56:10 Then we rethink, re-edit those images, warping them and slowly turning them into an illusion. Then we live in confliction because we know that these illusions we cling on to are not reality and are not truth. The more experiences we build on top of these illusions, the more it compresses and the more it hurts to let go of the illusion, which is made up of frozen images which have all originated from a seed of felt experience and emotion that wasn't fully felt or let go of. We are creating these images constantly, constantly fooling ourselves that they are reality. To live a full life of freedom is to let go and burn off these images as they appear, with enlightenment being to feel everything but hold on to nothing, thus no image is created. At the very least, let go of, destroy, burn off as many of these images, these illusions as possible, by fully feeling, observing, and seeing them completely for what they are.

7:57:05 Then they will fully develop and disappear. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games, and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. I mean, to be fair, I think that LinkedIn, except for people who like selling things, has never been productive. You know, it's like social media and is social media productive? Most of the times it's not really. So you could say this about probably anything, you know. But yeah, I agree. Like the fact that it's in the mission is maybe not the best. It's a bit hard because there's like two conflicting things. There's like connecting people and enabling them to be more productive. It can be, like in the case of games, it can be very, you know, opposed. Even when you're talking with people, are you productive, you know?

7:57:57 So, yeah, it's a bit of conflicting values here, definitely. What I can think of as a solution in the meanwhile would be some kind of a new Lloyds, where there's some kind of current insurance, which will cover the damages if the auto body is failing. So it doesn't go to the level of enforcement by the nation states, but there will be monetary compensation. This whole conversation helped me solidify what it is that blockchains actually protect. First, blockchains need an asset. That asset needs to be on-chain. Because on-chain, that asset has to be purely digital. How does something digital have value? By social consensus. So social consensus establishes value on a blockchain. If we say this has value as money, that's a Bitcoin. If we say this has value as provenance over artwork, that's NFT.

7:58:47 If we say this game is valuable to us and this token in this game represents a plus five sword of wounding and that has value to us, that's a game item. So first we imbue value into a database entry through social consensus and that is protected on the blockchain. It could even be a vote. Secondly, that valuable object can now be manipulated and traded by code. So code can lock it into a smart contract, can borrow other assets against it, can lend other assets against it, can leverage it, and so on and so forth. But ultimately, blockchains only protect on-chain assets that have value imbued into them by social consensus. If the value for that thing lives outside of the blockchain, if it is not imbued by social consensus, if it is imbued by physical world assets or by laws, then it is not really protected by the blockchain. That is an off-chain asset. And you can track the social consensus around it through the on-chain part of it, but the real value is off-chain. This definition is narrow.

7:59:37 So if you have an NFT which is dependent on off-chain file hosting, it means that it's not protected by the blockchain. So the asset is somewhat incomplete. Similarly, if the network is not truly decentralized, the same thing happens. This goes for a similar legwork and hard work than what Spotify did with the music industry by signing them up in the early days and being able to get a huge catalog of music on their streaming service when streaming wasn't really a thing. So similar way that if you can ground and get a lot of the players, nation states and international courts and institutions agreeing and binding to the rulings, creating a visa type of a network for these digital assets, that's going to be the next goldmine. A new visa to be built. This whole conversation helped me solidify what it is that blockchains actually protect.

8:00:29 First, blockchains need an asset. That asset needs to be on-chain. Because on-chain, that asset has to be purely digital. How does something digital have value? By social consensus. So social consensus establishes value on a blockchain. If we say this has value as money, that's a Bitcoin. If we say this has value as provenance over artwork, that's NFT. If we say this game is valuable to us and this token in this game represents a plus five sword of wounding and that has value to us, that's a game item. So first we imbue value into a database entry through social consensus, and that is protected on the blockchain. It could even be a vote. Secondly, that valuable object can now be manipulated and traded by code. So code can lock it into a smart contract, can borrow other assets against it, can lend other assets against it, can leverage it, and so on and so forth. But ultimately, blockchains only protect on-chain assets that have value imbued into them by social consensus. If the value for that thing lives outside of the blockchain, if it is not imbued by social consensus, if it is imbued by physical world assets or by laws, then it is not really protected by the blockchain. That is an off-chain asset.

8:01:31 And you can track the social consensus around it through the on-chain part of it, but the real value is off-chain. Good morning, beautiful people. This morning, I had to stop for a minute and take a picture of the sunrise. This is one of the most beautiful sunrises I have seen, and I captured it. The camera doesn't do justice to it, but there it is. Enjoy. Good morning, Sips. Looking bright and a nice morning there. Probably birds singing as well. Good morning, brother Petri. Yes, it is a beautiful morning. And if you listen close enough, you can actually hear them. It's a beautiful morning. It's a beautiful morning to go and kick some ass. Have a beautiful day, my friend. There are parts of it that are protocol, and there are parts of it that are network. And I think that's true of every social network.

8:02:18 so if you look at something like Twitter it's I would argue more protocol than network but if you look at something like TikTok it is more network than protocol so it's a little hard to say where the value is and I think over time it'll become more and more obvious and the parts that are protocol probably belong in some kind of distributed ledger and the parts that are not protocol belong in some kind of a centralized app. Colby's new way of building decentralized file data structures would probably be a really good test case for this one because it can host those media files and you could have them in different places. And I think that would be a really nice beta experiment. Well, I might be wrong, but it sounds like because they're building something completely new and this is a new thing and it could be also limited in scope in the first phases. Just out of curiosity, Naval, do you see AirChat more as kind of a future protocol or as an individual network?

8:03:12 There are parts of it that are protocol and there are parts of it that are network. And I think that's true of every social network. So if you look at something like Twitter, it's I would argue more protocol than network. But if you look at something like TikTok, it is more network than protocol. So it's a little hard to say where the value is. And I think over time, it'll become more and more obvious. And the parts that are protocol probably belong in some kind of distributed ledger and the parts that are not protocol belong in some kind of a centralized app. It went pretty good. I have nothing bad to say. We got a couple of drinks and yeah, we went on merry way. We'll see what happens. He's on the app, so I can't, I can't say much. But let's go. Okay, I don't think things really worked out. So, yeah, I'm looking for dates. Well, I'm not looking, I'm attracting guys. So, FY. Oh, God. Oh, God. I mean, I, I was seriously talking about LinkedIn. I mean, despite what was happening on LinkedIn already, that was creeping me out. I still had little hope that maybe things will be fine in the future. But now the game is over. I mean, with the introduction of games.

8:04:14 seriously on LinkedIn, I think the game is over. Seriously, man, this is unbelievable. And this is the best thing I saw on each other today. So I'm going to share it. I'm sure it's already in the roadmap. If you've been looking what Microsoft's been doing, they're going for the consumer market. And that means that it's gaming, it's publishing. There's a lot of these which are interlinked. So where are the most of the people? What are they doing? What parts of the digital work can you penetrate? How many hours, how many transactions can you squeeze out of the consumers? That's Microsoft, and that's where they want to go. And in this way, job is a huge part of your daily life. So it's just natural. And because of remote work and everything, it's mixing and matching nowadays. So younger generations, TikToks, I think all the lines are now blurred. And corporations are realizing that they don't really care if they want to win the hearts and minds of the Younger generations, they have to be everywhere.

8:05:12 You cannot be outside of the mind of a person when they're working. You have to be all in there. Well, it's not healthy probably for the persons using these services, but hey, there are profits to be made. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. Let's speak Max here. I'm sure he will come up with tons of different revenue generation solutions and franchises and licensing and cross-platform ideas from the back catalogs of going back to the ancient history of Microsoft and gaming. So let's see what he can spin up. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. Yes, precisely. What is more beneficial is a tamper-proof open ledger that is used for auditability and not necessarily for enforcement.

8:06:10 We have a convenient auto enforcement, but it goes back to courts and guns at the end of the day. What I can think of as a solution in the meanwhile would be some kind of a new Lloyds, where there's some kind of current insurance which will cover the damages if the other party is failing. So it doesn't go to the level of enforcement by the nation states, but there will be monetary compensation. I'm beginning to think that blockchains won't work without being able to enforce blockchain law at the atomic or even quantum level. I mean that the so-called transactions aren't macroscopic in a completely different level than atomic and quantum, so having these two different scales together, I don't know what that means. And even if some sort of technology were invented that could actually control and enforce things on an atomic or quantum level, like, I'm not sure I'd want to live in that world, and there's no guarantee that it ends up being controlled in a non-corrupt way.

8:07:09 Good morning. It will be a lot of fun. because the thing is new. It cannot just be purely analogized. And so to understand how it works, you have to understand all the analogies and the limitations, but then see the thing for what it is and what it evolves into. Trying to put my finger on what it is that's particularly magical, the subset of the conversations that are occurring here that are truly unique. They haven't happened before. And for me, of maybe a hundred that I've had so far, the one that's at the top of the list, Brian actually noticed and it was it was what would have in any other platform been a fight over over Israel Palestine that began compatible combative Lee was evolved into a mutual respect and Compassion and was synthesized and that's just not happening anywhere else the other thing is you know stuff?

8:08:29 You're just intimately familiar with but the magical is the magical it's it's so fucking cool. I literally don't think I think there's another place on the internet where you can have conversations with strangers that are civil by default and involved and nuanced. Even if AirChat doesn't succeed in the traditional sense, it'd be cool to see Naval set up some sort of systems in place that would make it last for the longest period of time in somewhat of an autonomous way, kind of like the Jeff Bezos 10,000 year clock. Once the platform is stabilized, I actually want to look at moving it into a more distributed network where it can survive the test of time. Could be partially on a blockchain, but not to create a token, but rather just to make sure that it survives for as long as possible. Why is it important whether it's a book, a movie, or a TV series? Why are we talking about the medium, not the message, not the topic?

8:09:18 Why it's so relevant? If the same idea, the same facts, or the figures, or the story are just coming out of these different formats. How is it just stick to the traditions? So some of them is finer or better than the other. I forgot, but there was somebody measured the amount of bits per second we can process. So if you block the visual, which takes the most, then you have more capacity for the audio part than the rest. So that explains it. So you can split the limited resources better, what you have, and you can really focus on those things. And that explains a little bit of why you get a richer experience by blinding yourself temporarily or just muting the voice. I was just thinking the other day that like movies are nowadays, almost like trailers for TV series, in a similar way, if you go to a traditional bookstore and you're reading your own book, which you already have narrated yourself, is there a trailer for your audiobook? I'm sure you're aware of LibriVox, the free audiobook library, mainly about books which are already out of copyright and people are reading them.

8:10:25 But there are some classics there, so if somebody is interested to get some of the classics and maybe while driving or doing something else, it's worth checking out. Some of my chits should be tweets, as they are not good at sparking any conversations. But I find myself lazy. I prefer to type the mic button than to type 140 character on the digital keyboard. Am I the only one? It's just grammar. As we learned earlier today, there's a few things happening today. One of them was durians, but there was also that the grammar is an emergent phenomenon, so don't worry about it. Who cares? Just talk. I've got a flex air chatters, just decided to do a novelty, air chat from the air, 30,000 feet up. From Turkish Airlines. Has anyone made that joke before? Air chat from the air? Well, here I am. It reminds me a little of that bit by Louis CK, where people complain about flying. And my flight was delayed today, but absolutely no complaints.

8:11:16 Here I am, 33,000 feet in the air, talking to you live. I mean, this is amazing. In a cylinder of metal, hurtling through the sky, and close to Mach 1. It's astonishing. Hey, Minaj, thank you for this track. Again, I love it with all my little black heart and short feedback. A lot of my friends are using it to meditate and one of them is playing it in a club. I have no idea how. Maybe it's a remix. Maybe we'll hear it in Ibiza soon. Thank you, friend. internal scorecard and decide for themselves how they're going to live their lives and just have fun because goodness you know i've tried to live the perfect life it is frustrating i do not ever want people to look up to me as a perfect person because it is the most confining of experiences i just want to have fun i just want to have fun and if i have to explain specifically what i mean by fun then those people are boring sips he wants to have fun he wants to he wants to have fun he wants to he wants to have fun what's your favorite podcast player what are the things you really love about it and what do you really hate about it and what are the things what are missing speaking about a fluctuation of sound and volume when it comes to mic you know when people come closer or when they move away from the mic have you checked out this particular new mic which has an autofocus capability looks very interesting nope haven't checked that one i i'm still a little bit old-fashioned and I just think that if you position your mic and you just let it do it work

8:13:25 and you have set your audio levels that's better for the post-production as well because you know exactly what you're getting and there's no pumping or weird distortions or something happening which might happen with all these things which are basically just you know they try to do their best but it will distort the audio and it's already distorted because of whatever is happening so yeah probably works for some people but call me call me old-fashioned I was just thinking the other day that like movies are nowadays almost like trailers for TV series in a similar way if you go to a traditional bookstore and you're reading your own book which you already have narrated yourself is that a trailer for your audiobook? Premium air chat will delay the notification deletion of the first take chits that disappear but magically appear on your feed for a few seconds, but just a little bit too fast for you to read them.

8:14:17 So the delay, 20 seconds, is totally worth the premium price. Here's it. Yes, Tully. I'm not reading your seven paragraphs conversation here, bro. No worries, you can hear them. True! Well, one thing I have noticed is when I'm hearing to the conversations on air chat and it's on 3x, most of the times I'm able to read it quicker. So I'll basically be reading three lines ahead of what I'm hearing. So does that happen to you as well? Or like maybe it's just something that depends on the reading speed. Yeah, the secret is that it's not really 3x, it's just how it's called here, but it's probably closer to 2x or even less, so that's why you can read it before you have heard it.

8:15:13 Oh, I see. Thanks, Petri. Imagine a world where people are actually concise when they speak. Where is now? You have a privilege to choose anything you want and enjoy. Today it's definitely durians. Premium air chat will delay the notification deletion of the first take chits that disappear, but magically appear on your feed for a few seconds, but just a little bit too fast for you to read them. So the delay 20 seconds is totally worth the premium price. Use it. People get really creative with their usernames and it's interesting that the air chat would automatically suggest a User that has a certain word in their name when that word is mentioned by someone inadvertently of course Soon there will be brand accounts just for that purpose Hey guys, please welcome Damon VersaGee a good friend of mine on air chat. He's a super cool dude. I guess he will explain himself what he's doing Welcome, Damon. Do they have something to do with scrappy meals?

8:16:25 Aren't we always discussing philosophy? It's mainly coffee blended with philosophy. What's funny is I don't even start my morning with coffee. I start it with soda. Suspiciously, he seems to be async. Yeah, I think that's how it should work. So there's like five different categories you can put in. One for the laugh and one for the cry and all the rest. And you can just see them visually. They're like icons for those things. I think that would be the best because then it works for both, but it's kind of like the natural way of doing it for the voice. So you don't need to see anything if you are in a voice mode in a car or someplace, so you can hear all the stuff. Hey, Niraj. Want to talk about synchronicities? Suspiciously, he seems to be async. I'm here, I'm here. I don't disappear. I'm always here. I'm omnipresent. Can you feel it? Welcome back to Our Radar, Dajan.

8:17:14 My nine-year-old son is homeschooled and he said to me yesterday that he'd have a problem having friends that have phones because they are not really good to play with. I'm blown away by Japan. It's so beautiful. People here just seem to care. It's really difficult to speak the names of those I cared for after they've passed away. Because when I take their names, nobody responds. And it just makes the question of, you know, are there somewhere out there in the universe? It makes that question so real and there's no answer to that. Yeah. I don't know. My mind's running.

8:18:03 Should we remove the people who are passed away from your contacts? I just added voice to texting in my notes app because I've become too accustomed to the ease of talking communication on air chat. Note to self on air chat. DMs, check it out. It's amazing. You can't run a solar panel continuously for 20 years. There's a big difference. There's a fire in Turkmenistan that's been burning for 20 years or 30 years. I think it's natural gas. I need to go back and look. You mean this one? If you had the ability to turn back time and you used it, would that make all your moments meaningless? Moments by themselves just are. The only meaning they have is the one you give to them, so it's up to you. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing?

8:19:00 You're missing the answer to your question, sir. Oh, my bad. So, was this your answer? What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it, and what do you really hate about it, and what are the things that are missing? I mentioned this already earlier on, but there's a Mac Whisper, if you're on a Mac, and it has a lot of stuff for free, but then you can also integrate ChatGPT, Androfic with your API keys, and it's using the Whisper, what's also used by AirChat, so it does the translation, the transcription part pretty well. I don't know whether it can also automatically download the YouTube videos, but it certainly can transcribe the audio, and it does it also in batches. It has a pro version, but it's a one-time fee, and it's not really much, so that's something to check out. And Yordi was actually here as well. It's actively developing. It's been quite a popular app, so that's worth checking out if you haven't already. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it, and what do you really hate about it, and what are the things that are missing?

8:19:56 And what do you love about Spotify? I love that they have the video feature and you can go beyond 3x at speed, but I don't know if there's anything particular other things about it. It's just playing the audio. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing? My first update is, does this boy not have an imagination? You know, I remember when I wrote that. It was night. It was foggy in San Francisco. And I was just staring out my bedroom windows. I was living up in a condo building in South of Market. And high up, just looking out. And in front of me was my laptop. Actually, I had a screen and a keyboard hooked up to it. I was just looking out and just thinking. And there was a woman. I saw her open the door to a balcony, step out, get something, and then go back in. I remember thinking about her, like, you know, here she was, just someone in my reality, someone I don't know, just a faceless person, but to herself, a very real person, with her hopes, dreams and desires.

8:21:00 And here I am looking at her through the filter of myself, my life. And I think I even captured her later in that chapter in a sentence or two. Yeah, it's funny the memories that come back from what you've written. There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it?

8:21:50 I met my best friend and I clicked right away. I saw her and I thought to myself, she's the one. She is going to be my best friend. And maybe this, I'm not sure if it's a manifestation, but it just clicked. I love being around her and just meeting and getting to know each other. It feels like, I don't know, it's a very beautiful friendship. So this was very interesting that some relationship you just click and you don't know why, but it just happens and I'm very happy to experience it. Some say Irchat is not made for long conversations. They have not listened to Brett Hall lately. A lot of philosophy gets discussed in cafes. It is the end of the era for cafes, thanks to Irchat. all discussions will move here.

8:22:39 There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? I don't know how to explain that. I don't have any explanation to tell the truth. I don't have any tips. Well, we've been through a lot of shit together. And even though we're living in different countries now, we are together.

8:23:33 And I'm going to see them very soon. And I'm so happy about that. Where is now? Interesting. So grammar might be an emergent property of speaking, which just helps optimize language. And these rules are more discovered than they are created top down. And this would help explain why, even though we're taught grammar as children, we don't really learn how to speak the language by learning the rules of grammar and applying them. The rules of grammar, rather, are used ex post facto to explain why and how we said things in certain ways. But if that's the case, then I wonder, what is it about grammar that causes those rules to emerge that way? Is it just the most efficient way of speaking and conveying yourself? Is there some trade-off between efficiency and clarity? That sounds like something which could be experimented with some algorithms and maybe some LLMs. Give them just some tasks and whether they can start to communicate more efficiently if they have started to form some kind of proper grammar. So you start to have different, not just words, meaning objects or something, but you can start to have verbs and adjectives and start to form sentences to be more precise, more efficient with your communication.

8:24:34 And if there's some penalties and also some rewards for the language, that probably should yield better results, hence grammar. This was fantastic, Petri. I wanted to share a link, but my links are still not working. But if you go on YouTube and you search for Lingus, L-I-N-G-U-S, by Snarky Puppy, S-N-A-R-K-Y, Puppy, check out that song, man, on YouTube. They played it here in South Africa at their studio. They're an American band. That's killer. Killer. This is fireworks. Here's the link.

8:25:23 Life is an art exhibition. The Rakastan Sita. Don't drink. Go vegan. Don't smoke. Don't watch porn. Study. Seek enlightenment. Choose five. When is tomorrow? I will try to translate it. It's translated already, but it might be a little bit too small for people to read it, if it's only on the picture. But if you see the translation button, then it can do it for you. Particles and the plenitude. I'm going to have a little chat here with myself, anyone else can join in if they like, about the biggest and the smallest things known or conjectured.

8:26:14 It's insightful when you say the self started to develop and you started self-reflecting. Because I said this in another response, but the identity only comes into awareness when you look at the self. And to look at the self, you have to detach yourself from the self. It's a weird concept. It's akin to NPCs in a video game, but if you give the NPC a narrative, then it certainly has an identity. But before that, it was just playing the game. It is an interesting thought. To me, I think it seems as though the self doesn't necessarily develop, but is revealed through self-inquiry. By asking these questions, the ones that give you the answers and the labels, it doesn't change the self that they describe. It just gives you a framework to understand that self and to create that image, to communicate, to represent yourself to others, or to help you understand yourself and make decisions that are aligned with that identity. I think that detaching from the self isn't necessarily the only way to observe the self.

8:27:18 I think that that self that you would detach from to observe is you. So you are that self that's observing itself. And once you see that, that nothing has changed other than the words that you use to describe it, I think you can then become more conscious of the behavior that is in line with that identity, the beliefs, the actions, the thoughts. And from there, maybe that awareness can dissolve it and create space to choose the things that you want and develop it and change it, rather than unconsciously have an identity inhabit your mind. ChatPT. That's the best transcription of ChatPT I've seen here. I love this topic because we get lost in what everyone says is productivity and who has value, who's more productive, it's more valuable.

8:28:17 And who has more money is more valuable, who is more known is more valuable when the value is just on being. And sometimes I want to accomplish things and then I question like, why am I getting lost if I'm an adult who already accomplished things that I wanted? but I keep pushing myself and I guess it's because I want to keep growing and learning but then I still get lost on what's important and what do I really want for my life and sometimes I wonder do I really just want to live um you know just get the money enough money to be happy and have to cover all my needs and my family needs and that's it like I don't want more than that, to be honest. I want to have an impact, but I'm okay with having an impact with the people that is around me and with the people that I can help them to be, to have happy, fulfilled lives.

8:29:18 That's what I want. I don't, like, I know that you can make big things, but those big things to me are those little things of, like, the people that you can touch directly with who you are and how you manage life. Sometimes making an impact on the people around you can ripple to the whole world in ways you can't see. It just takes time and serendipity and them interacting with other people. It's a thankless job because you don't necessarily see it always, but it's true. What can you do today, but not tomorrow? I am absolutely 100% positively not sure. And they are fallen when they join X.

8:30:09 I'm just going to leave this here. Kul de Sack? Emoji usernames are so old school. Here is the latest by Unity. Wow, fascinating. Thanks for sharing that. Hello, lurkers of AirChat. How's it going? puzzled if i answer i ain't no lurker anymore okay i see surbi i've given so many compliments to sir but she's overall awesome surbi you know that you're awesome right um your heart goodness delicious delicious they should sell um if they just add a piece of your heart to be chocolate in the world listen you would not need any sugar how do you like that oh this is so beautiful sips You know, I always smile ear to ear whenever I listen to you talk about other people because you come across as somebody so honest, so welcoming and so considerate.

8:31:07 From the moment you sang me my birthday song to the last DM you sent me, there's something about your voice that is so, so comforting. I'm pretty confident you light up every room you enter and I'm so glad to have met you through air chat. Thank you. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited that you're all here. Just grab a drink, sit by the fire, pop up your feet, get cozy, get snuggly. It's going to be a good time. Life is an art exhibition. I think I know how to use this platform. The way I go and use it is while I travel in Japan for the next couple of months. I get to share my thoughts and inspirations and also learn from other people as well. What can you do today, but not tomorrow? Why can't you do it alone tomorrow? When is tomorrow? Yeah, so we can live our life today. Nice.

8:32:25 You can do it. Yeah, Nora, you can do it. You are not the first one anymore. This is the cycle of life. And they are fallen when they throw in X. Has anyone raised your air chat yet? Let's see if we can make that happen. All right, here's how it works. Reply with your elevator pitch. No more than 30 seconds. Describe what you're building, who it's for, and I'll chime in with some feedback if it's useful. All right, let's go. I feel everybody craves for that kind of friendship where there is an instant connection and a very strong connection and everything feels magical and everything is easy but I feel that that connection should be so strong that even if you encounter differences in the future you still want to stick with that person and that is the real friendship I feel That's how it feels but there is no need for anything it just happens and that's why you can be silent for years and then just pick up the conversation like you left for a minute and you just keep on going. That's how it is, effortless. Yeah I think Twitter, I mean, is a great like to way to disseminate information and it's providing more options like mainstream media in the sense we can still interact in some way. Except the space, we don't have so much interaction, iteration on Twitter. I think AirChat, one of the amazing features that he has is that people really engage in discussion. The way it makes it so powerful is like how Socratic methods work, is this back and forth discussion and then you can come back and continue the discussion, which make it incredibly powerful. I also want to add that the fact that we can hear the voice of a person really adds a new layer of complexity which I have completely underestimated how impactful it is and it helps to build relationships.

8:34:35 I have openly spoken with a lot of people on air chat within few days, which I haven't done in my real life. I used to think that maybe I don't like talking to people as much as people do. But now I realize that I always wanted that. It's just that I never got that environment. I never got that openness or acceptance. But here I am a free bird. I talk with everyone. I connect with everyone. And there are a lot of people that I resonate with. You know, being an introvert, this is the best platform I can get. I have nothing but gratitude for it. Andrew Uberman said that every morning I need to drink a big glass of water, wait to have my coffee, have sunlight and pile three tons of wood. So I have no choice. Measure twice, cut ones, especially in an age of infinite leverage, making the right decision, making the right call is far more important than working hard. You want to make sure you're heading in the right direction. So you need the time to think it through and that means you got to be a little bored too, not just busy all the time.

8:35:31 wandering mind discovers things unexplored. The illusion of productivity is more seductive than laziness because you don't feel guilty about it. When you're productive you feel like you accomplished something. Oftentimes people fill their lives with busyness just so that they can get that sense of accomplishment. I say embrace the laziness while you've got it. Enjoy it. But when it's time to work, lock in. As the kids say, lock in. I love Naval's quote on this, better bored than busy, and I had it engraved on one of my iPads. By the way, I find really amazing that we can have understanding about things that are so far away, and where it would be very difficult to experience anything close to you.

8:36:34 In that episode, I think Carol touched briefly hawking radiation, even though we may not get out of the black hole, but the black hole can get out of black hole, so it may actually evaporate over time. And that's basically a two-way process in that sense, even though when we're beyond the event horizon, that's the point of no return. That's an important distinction. Thank you for sharing. So let me try to rephrase it. In some sense black holes are irreversible processes. It cannot be stopped. You cannot go out, but the black holes in itself can end. So I think it doesn't contradict what I thought. What is interesting is that about time, there should be so much tension between when you are inside and outside the black hole. About time. Emoji's username is also old school. Here is the latest by Unity.

8:37:38 Hey Sips, you know, I can tell a lot about a person by what he says about others. So far, you are amazing. Where have you been, Ksenia? I have not seen you around here. Please don't hide. Stay with us. this. I love seeing your because that's only where I see you with that profile picture. I'm like there's Cassina and I want to just hear it and usually there's music blazing in the background and then you just go boom boom boom with your super cool chilled energy but yeah thank you for those kind words. Thank you. Okay here's a brand new mixtape featuring Christina Flynn. This is a fun one. Hope you guys like it. Hey guys, here's a brand new mixtape featuring Kenzie in ASMR style. Enjoy. It might be also their way of realizing what's been said, and they might a little bit of unconsciously repeat the same thing even though they don't realize it, but it's their way of getting the meaning of what's been just said.

8:39:02 This was a fascinating discussion about non-locality and how you cannot isolate yourself from the world when you're doing experiments and the implications that has for doing experiments. brother kamal i see you i'm not sure if you knew you were signing up for this but i see you man and wow you know the word that comes to my mind and i've not had many interactions with you it's only been of late that i've you know started talking to you and seeing your aunt and hearing you more and more but the thing that i'm like man if i had you as a friend of mine fuck this world man like i'm unstoppable right like because you've got that fierce fearless warrior protector vibe about you who is also kind who is also generous now everyone is giving me the formula so i'm gonna read your book so you're gonna hear me talking a lot about it when i get to it but i i think man like i wish i met i wish i could meet your mom because i don't know what she did But she must be an amazing, amazing person to have done the work of raising you guys.

8:40:13 What a beautiful thing. And I hope to have more and more conversations with you and get to know you better over time. But what I've experienced so far has just been an essence of beauty and grace. Grace. Thank you, brother. Be blessed. Hey, Sips. You know, I can tell a lot about a person by what he says about others. So far, you are amazing. there are many layers to friendship and people you meet with very few you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met and it doesn't really matter how long you are apart maybe even years and you just pick up where you left the last time and that's a rare type of a friendship there's something you really wipe and you you have that thing going so it's not about time or place and it just works for decades most likely and the ones you describe yeah there are those which require work.

8:41:10 And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? To me, this is the only kind of friendship. And I've seen when I meet these friends after four years, five years, a decade, we don't even waste time in asking, oh, man, we have not seen each other for so long. And we just continue. We just continue our thread from the last time. So for me personally, I would be for both duty and happiness. There's an uncalculable, as you say, benefit to just being as happy as possible around other people, really spreading that joy, making their day better. You don't know what that's going to lead to. And that's in a way, the most beautiful thing about it. But if there were ever a moment where I would have to pick between duty and happiness, I think I would pick duty every single day of the week. I would almost rebel in that. I don't know. Call me masochistic.

8:42:05 Other people in our life have agency and they are capable. I stand by my earlier statements that paradise is a garden with a view within walking distance to a cafe. All right, everyone here. Do you happen to know brands or new startups that have come up in the recent times with regards to organic makeup or organic cosmetics? Anything organic cosmetics. I'm trying to explore some of the different brands that exist in the world. And actually the Indian market has had a specific bloom in this direction. And I want to see what all do you know about organic cosmetics that is out there in the market. Please do share your recommendations. Very happy to have them. And with this one, you can check the ingredients, whether they are something you want to put on your skin. There's also for other products, so you can scan the products on the shop and see what's inside. Thanks, Petra.

8:42:54 I view humble bragging as a status-lowering activity. It's a little bit of a Michael Scott-type maneuver, where you think you're bragging in such a way that people won't notice you're bragging. but the people you most want to impress can see right through it. So I'm not sure it actually works. It is a valuable signal for everyone involved. If there are Francophones who listen to me, I would like to know what was the impact of Naval Ravikant on you. Because I listened a lot and read what he was saying. And he had a very big impact on me. So I wanted to know if he also had an influence on you or not. but we are working on it. No worries, it's actually already working brilliantly. I've been even richarding today something of a Chinese song, and I was able to understand thanks to the translation, so it's working perfectly. The absolute highest quality people don't hang out and network on LinkedIn for the same reason that the most desirable people don't hang out on Tinder.

8:44:02 The highest quality people in the world are hunted, and they're hunted because they have proof of work, either through their beauty or through their accomplishments or through their works. By their works they shall be known so ultimately you just want to do great things and be the best version of yourself and the world will hunt you down to me this is where air chat is very interesting i'll share something from deutsch chapter 13 of the fabric of reality the four strands he says people's behavior as researchers different from human behavior in general that's what the thing about air chat i feel like it excels people's behavior of this researcher mindset. And kind of what that means, as compared to LinkedIn especially, is that appeals to authority are simply not acceptable, even when the most senior person in the tired field is addressing the most junior. And I feel like there's this ecosystem that AirChat is curating of a researcher's mindset. I think true competence to me, if I was going to say in a nutshell, is being aware of what we know and also aware of what we don't know um it's and always being open to um being wrong and that usually comes with a few bitch slaps from reality from times i think they can we can have some humbling experiences i've certainly had a few um and when it comes to curiosity and learning both imply ignorance and it's making that side explicit so that we can explore the areas that we don't know and build better models, better knowledge, and humility is a natural consequence of that. Fully agree with you here, Wayne. Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. And there's a very big difference between people who know what they know and know what they don't know. So competence leading to confidence. I really, really love that. And it absolutely is the underpinning in how I see things as well. Sounds like an experiment where there's no takers at the moment, but it's at ease for the long term. So hopefully we'll get someone liking your post.

8:46:03 It feels like the conversations here on AirChat are doing the opposite of Godwin's Law. Instead of degenerating towards Nazi analogies, we are getting super close to connecting around concepts of theory you, which I just adore, but, you know, involve deep listening, identifying blind spots, sharing generously with others, going into one's images in the mind to tease out insights. Yeah, it feels like we're getting there. This is so funny, like no one is biting. Oh my goodness! So maybe I should have crafted it differently and I should have said, those who do not want a well-crafted compliment. Folks are scared, man. Be brave. It's your moment, it's your time. And the best part is that you can do that without announcing anything just by randomly consuming your feed day in day out you can pick a winner and compliment somebody.

8:46:59 I'm just a baby exploring life and when you try something and it comes back with a certain reaction you're like oh okay cool this is how it works and then you go on and explore a different way it's all fun for me man so we'll see how it goes. I think true competence to me if I was going to say in a nutshell is being aware of what we know and also aware of what we don't know um it's and always being open to um being wrong and that usually comes with a few bitch slaps from reality from times i think they can we can have some humbling experiences i've certainly had a few um and when it comes to curiosity and learning both imply ignorance and it's making that side explicit so that we can explore the areas that we don't know and build better models, better knowledge, and humility is a natural consequence of that. True competence is the courage to say no, and it's not even courage, it's just like the acknowledgement that no I don't know about that, I don't think it works like that, or you probably will get a better one elsewhere, I'm not the one you're looking for, this is not the thing you're looking for, and if it comes from the place of authenticity, and that's really what the person means without anything else into it that's also shows really well that hey that probably is the person you're looking for because if they are pushing you away or claiming that they probably are not good enough for the thing usually it's a sign that they know a great deal about something after five years of solo traveling i can safely say um i'm tired i'm exhausted not sure if anyone here on the air chat travel family can relate but i'm so so exhausted honestly um maybe part of it is the nature of what I do. Filming documentaries in intense places on top of traveling all the time on top of being solo which is great because you know you have the opportunity to meet people but at the same time you know it can be very very lonely. Anyone here that can relate?

8:48:56 If you imagine that you're living in some place but the things you're really excited about are not exactly in your location so you can relate to those people what you do in that place or spot And this is the same as you when you're traveling. The people who are really good friends for you, maybe they are traveling or maybe they moved to other places. So I think the friendship, it's just how you define it, what you see valuable and how much work you want to put in and how much it requires work. I think those are the parameters. But I wouldn't be fooled by moving to some place that it will make your life better just because there's more proximity of things. Yeah, I get your point. But then again, it's like a point you made was that if it requires work, it's really worth it. The thing is, you're never really going to know in advance. Obviously, as you get more older and experienced, you can pick up certain behaviors, but everything is an investment, right? So you'll never really know.

8:49:44 And from my experience, I found that people that I've been in very close connection with, who had the same interests that I've met them when I was living in different places, now, as the years go by and you don't see them again, that proximity really vanishes. And I don't think it's because of connection, it's because of not being in the same place. does play a role in my opinion. And I guess what I'm trying to say also is that in our society today, we've put on a pedestal, traveling, you know, like if you travel, you have status today, you know, in the past, today too, but in the past it was more so than today. If you had money, you had status, right? Today, on top of money is like travel, you know? So if you travel, and I know this myself, you know, because people see an image on social media and they're like, oh, this is amazing and, you know, and everything. So it's approved and rewarded by society and social media algorithms, which means posts regarding travel are going to be promoted.

8:50:33 more likely for them to be promoted, which means that behavior becomes pedestalized, you know. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that being in a place, if you, you know, you've chosen the place and you have the luxury, because some people around the world don't have the luxury of choosing, you know, where they're going to live, but that being said, if you do have the privilege of choosing and you chose a place, you know, not everything is going to be exciting all the time, you know, that's what pisses me off sometimes with travel, it's like you, most people, me included, like I've been there, like I'm not, you know, I'm just saying this out of reflection after years, is that, yeah, so you travel because you chase this, like, reward, you know? It's the vicious cycle of getting that dopamine hit, of, you know, going to the next place and meeting the next person. But you oftentimes, like, oftentimes, you know, your life can be great where you are. It's just because I think many people compare themselves to other people, so they won't travel more.

8:51:21 Whereas if you think about this, like, 100 years ago or 50 years ago with no internet, people couldn't compare, you know, that your comparison was the people in your village. So if the people in your village didn't travel, you wouldn't think that you're missing out on something, you know? But today it's because, you know, you have the knowledge, and it's a good thing, you know? Obviously, the internet, we're here, and we're having this amazing conversation right now. But, you know, I'm always showing you, like, another way. It also makes you subconsciously compare yourself to other people, and it's something that you cannot really control, you know? Because the algorithms are designed for, you know, for us to be addicted to them. So we're not stronger than the algorithm, per se. So we cannot really control how our brain responds to something we see when we use the social media apps. I hope that makes sense. Oh, yeah, Brother Neeraj.

8:52:09 It's one of those things where when you are down and out, what you need is affirmation. You need some kind of victory. You need some kind of boost in your confidence. But beyond a certain point, it becomes very dangerous. But also there's that other perspective where you realize that you will never receive enough compliments to fill that void in your soul or in your heart. People can compliment you a million times and tell you how awesome you are. The work of getting that hole filled is not something that you can just get by getting compliments from people or having people telling you how awesome you are. And you see this with people that are so thirsty for attention and they get it and it's never enough. There has to be work that is done to get to a place where you don't need that much affirmation and constant compliments from people out there. Because there's a peace inside of you.

8:53:00 You've walked your path and you are at peace with yourself. And as to how that is done, there's multiple ways that people get there. But I agree with your message in essence. And amen and amen and amen. This is beautiful, brother. You know what this is bringing up for me, which I'll throw in. It's putting things out in the world. without expecting anything back, whether it be leaving chits and not being attached to what likes or reposts are coming. And this also reminds me of Burning Man gift economy, is when you gift someone, it's without attachment of receiving anything back. The gift is the gift in and of itself. And when you're putting things out, it's, I believe, really helpful to give without expectation of receipts. The humble-pracking monster created by AirChat. Quit Proco. Humbleprack about me, and I do the same. I would never do that. Whenever I see humble brags, and I see them everywhere because I'm so good at just tuning into authenticity and hypocrisy, and I call them out.

8:54:00 I don't let them slide. I call them out. I bring them to people's attention as an act of service. I mean, I could just move on with my day, but I want to make sure people know what's going on, that this is a humble brag. Don't take this guy seriously, and also as a warning to the poster, Like, don't do this again. I've got my eye on you. Mission accomplished. This whole talk about bragging, to me, brings up this delicate, tight wire walk between confidence and ego. When we're getting going and starting out, it's really critical to have confidence and belief in yourself, even if no one else has it in you. And the need to verbalize or externalize that, to me, comes from a sign of insecurity. because when you are confident in yourself, it comes out in your actions and how you carry yourself, not necessarily having to verbalize it to the world. Now, the problem is when that turns into ego because when you can be overconfident or if the world is giving you these positive reflections, it's how to receive those and accept those versus deflecting them away, but also not letting that puff oneself up into the attachment of letting that become a huge ego, which has its own downsides and cost all along.

8:55:14 Out of that, a very few lot, how many of them are not repeating themselves, meaning that there's some kind of a pattern of what they're doing, similar type of things, or in the realm where they are, but in a completely random, unpredictable way of doing things which are not related in any way, so you're going to know what they're doing, how they are renewing themselves in a way that you cannot predict, or you cannot say where they are, or what they do. that's even more exceptional. But some of these people are like that they will destroy their accomplishments, they don't want to see the trophies, they don't want to see the past things, because it will keep them off moving forward, being in the present, and doing something new, being, again, the rookie, the newcomer, the most dumbest person in the room for a while, and then becoming quickly the most intense and most experienced because of the pure curiosity and the questioning and going fully in, which seldom people are doing, even though they've been doing the same thing for a long, long time, but they tend to repeat themselves and they do it out of happy, but not out of curiosity or they're hungry to learn more or understand the wise and what's underneath it all and go further.

8:56:20 Okay, so with all this compliment and bragging talk going on, I'm opening up a compliment bragging store from me to people that I know well enough. if you would like for me to craft a compliment for you, because I don't want to just pick people, because then it's going to be like I'm choosing people. If you want me to craft, if you want to see what kind of compliment I can craft for you, just drop a like. The first, let me say, and this is not a trick, maybe the first 10 people that do it, you will get a tailor-made compliment that you can then repost confidently as a brag of how awesome a human being you are. I think that's a fair offer. I'm outside checking the chickens and opening up the greenhouse doors, and I saw the most beautiful yellow butterfly. And it came, and it flew around my head, and then it landed on the ground in a couple of spots. I tried to take a picture, but it flew away too quick, and I realized it kept landing right next to a few piles of dog poop that really need to be cleaned up. And so if I had grabbed that photo, I don't know how appealing it would be to post it. Then I stopped, and I thought, wow, what a metaphor.

8:57:28 Even though there's a pile of dog poop in life, there's a beautiful butterfly the next foot over. Good reminder. Not very poetic, but I thought it was a good reminder of how beautiful, how many beautiful things there are in life if you just stop and look for them. Good morning to all social butterflies between the chits. Bragging about not bragging is also a brag. Thank you, Sips. Humbled. No pun intended. Soon the only correct way is just to be silent and stop. Chitting round. Ooh Petri, I think there is a new acronym that's gonna come out. CAFO to replace or to complement FAFO. It'll be "chit around and find out". Watch out any humble pracs near you. Soon the only correct way is just be silent and stop. Chitting round. Ooh Petri, I think there is a new acronym that's gonna come out. CAFO to replace or to complement FAFO. It'll be "chit around and find out".

8:58:56 he's the new white nose generator putting the new generation of air chatter to sleep guaranteed every night only on air chat put it on on youtube channel and you will fall asleep almost instantly oh my god so true when i was breaking into uh coding back in 2018 i was at a boot camp and i was trying to get a job so i just went on and like followed everyone on linkedin and try to... I mean, I got... I ended up with a ton of connections and a lot of engagement. And actually, I mean, I made some relatively deep connections. I never got a job directly from it, but it was fun. I think it boosted my confidence. But yeah, the OnlyFans connection is... I can see that. I definitely don't miss being on there. That's for sure.

8:59:52 The absolute highest quality people don't hang out and network on LinkedIn for the same reason that the most desirable people don't hang out on Tinder. The highest quality people in the world are hunted. And they're hunted because they have proof of work, either through their beauty or through their accomplishments or through their works. By their works, they shall be known. So ultimately, you just want to do great things and be the best version of yourself, and the world will hunt you down. What is a song or artist you guys think is severely underrated? Morgan James. Help? Can someone brag about me, please? Please? Let me delay it and I'll post it elsewhere, so there's no confusion left. Link in previous chat. That's because of Andrew Huberman. I listen to him way too much now. I have to wake up an hour before, drink a big glass of water, stand outside looking at the sun, wait to have my coffee.

9:00:45 My mornings are not fun anymore. I'm not enjoying them anymore. You have a place where we can park our RV next to your door. Make sure you take the speed control with you so you can double the speed. Coffee included. Yeah, it was a good one. At some point there's too much drama. People are dying and there's always this on the end of my seat where I just want to, you know, be engorged with the beauty and the way of living. But yeah, it was a good distraction for a while. This is like a hype man. Everybody needs a hype man. That way when you're, you know, being humble and not saying, look at how badass I am, your buddy can step right in and tell everybody else how badass you are. Yeah, you need a good hype man or hype woman. Everybody needs a good hype person.

9:01:38 Batman and Pac-Man just eats them all. Pimark was so right. There's only one thing to talk about at any particular moment on air chat. You just have to know what it is. isn't it the pcsd post coffee stress disorder post caffeine distress disorder um we all have this in some way if you taste coffee one time in your life you kind of experienced it that's funny is it a crime to take the water for americano from the group because it's temperature controlled so it should be absolutely the same temperature as the espresso so you first take the water and then Puglio espresso. How bad is that? Is that a capital punishment to be banished from the coffee land forever for tea? The fact that I have to wait an hour before my first cup of coffee is making me want to wake up early.

9:02:32 Isn't it PCSD, post-coffee stress disorder? Post-caffeine stress disorder. We all have this in some way. If you taste coffee one time in your life, you kind of experienced it. That's funny. Have to. That's a very, very strong prohibition right there. Have to. We have complete autonomy over our coffee schedule. If you were next door, I would make you a cup and I would walk it over to you so you wouldn't have to wait. Coffee included. I think life would be really wonderful if LinkedIn adopts this rule. Social media platforms make you perform in public for approval. but LinkedIn is among the worst because it makes you perform in public for money. In that sense, its only cousin is only fans. Real Grammy winner or are you just kidding around?

9:03:21 I think one of the rules of bragging correctly is that other people can brag about you, but you cannot brag about yourself. I think one of the rules of bragging correctly is that other people can brag about you, but you cannot brag about yourself. I think life would be really wonderful if LinkedIn adopts this rule. Absolutely, Wayne. Absolutely. good questions really help clarify and help you understand your ideas better. So thank you for that contribution. I'm definitely going to think about that as I do the work of trying to explain stuff. I'm gonna have fun as well, so it's not gonna be all serious, but I'm just gonna have fun because you discover how difficult it is to do things, but also there's the fun of it. Like how can I how can I make this enjoyable as well? So I'm looking forward to it. If you can make it fun, you've won. To add briefly what I mean by it works better is if the idea resonates, if people kind of start getting parts of the idea and simulate it for themselves and see that it's something really good, then they'll start to ask questions. And if the questions guided by you are of good quality, then those questions help you to refine and explain the ideas even better.

9:04:30 So it's an opportunity for both. And I think there's gold in there. I think it was originally your tweet or retweet which pointed me to the reminder of Osmo Beyo again. He's a staple in the Phoenix communication. But definitely like there's six people in any two-person conversation. And that makes it interesting and fun, but also challenging. Have you ever had an idea in your head that is almost like a Lamborghini or a Bugatti? But as soon as you try to deliver it in speech to other people, it comes out more like a Volkswagen Beetle. This is the frustration I live with. I know the ideas are great because when I use them they work, but as soon as I try to explain them to somebody or share them, they die. So at the beginning of the year I decided I'm going to actually try and get good at explaining stuff. And I'm not happy with my progress so far.

9:05:17 So I'm setting myself a new challenge that every single day I will try and explain an idea. And my goal is to make it as clear as possible. Not that I'll get it right all the time, but because I want to get good at it, I'm going to do it every single day. What I'm going to explain is not going to be dependent or it's not going to be just subject specific. It's going to be whatever I'm finding most interesting. So it's going to loop around, jump around. It won't be me explaining everything mathematics or anything, physics or anything, whatever. It's just going to be whatever interests me the most that day. I don't know how I'm going to do, but it's a challenge. Let's go. Delivering one idea per sheet makes it easier to share them, also reply to that particular idea. but it also makes you do structure and work through your thinking and the clarity of your idea and deliver it like a tweet storm, tit storm.

9:06:07 But more importantly, also, if you take away all the redundant words, you leave space for others to discover things and find new angles for the things and the gaps in your own thinking. I agree with you completely, brother. Like, I really get it. And that's going to be the goal, to discover all those things, everything. So it's going to be my new obsession to get that right. It's important for me to get it right because I owe it to myself and to my ideas to be able to articulate them well and clearly and in a way that other people can actually understand them. It's no use that I'm the only one that understands them. But as soon as I try to tell them to other people, they die. That's just such an unfortunate thing. So I'm going to work on all of that. But I think everything that you've stated here is correct. I might have to retract my earlier statement about ChatGPT being good. I was having a conversation with ChatGPT in Spanish and I told it to correct me every time I make a mistake. And after the first message, it gave me a response and it said, that was really good, but you used a Portuguese word instead of a Spanish word. You said no, when you should have said no. Please try again. The best would probably to use simultaneously different ones. So trying to put the same prompt to three LLMs and make the fourth one to draw a conclusion based on the results. The new design on iOS makes it hard to use the search.

9:07:23 if you are replying to some thread and you need to find something to link and it's on somewhere where you need to search and now the navigation is so difficult that you lose the position of the place you want to put there that's it that used to work previously when you could swipe left and right and the search navigation icon was accessible almost everywhere on the app yes i think that was my main problem for following too many people where the feed gets um crowded is i kind of felt like i wasn't seeing like my friends so i mean it makes sense because it's like at any party it's Like, where are you standing in the room? And if you're standing in a place where you can't see or hear your friends, you probably should, like, move. And I think in our case, the way we move is we unfollow people. It seems to happen a few times a day, and you probably are in the peak hours. And the rest of the time, there isn't really much happening. So following a few people may help in that case. But you probably miss something for those who are just randomly posting things.

9:08:12 But what I found that it's in those peak hours, which are not so many, it's the only viable strategy is to go for the persons directly, check their personal profile page and see the feed, unless somebody else is replying and bumping up. But there's a lot of times I've been posting something when people in the US are sleeping and nobody reads them, because there just isn't enough people in the other time zones. So a little bit of digging is required to find those people who are not in the same time zones as you are. So it's not directly about the amount of people. But then there are also this reverse feed stow effect, I can link it, and then creating the main feed effect, which is when the curators, the high frequency posters and retweeters or titters are active and your feed is just filling so far that you cannot go back in the feed. So these are a few of the effects of air chatting.

9:09:04 If you wonder how the old CDs and maybe even LPs sound so much better, the answer is partly that there was loudness wars. And you can see that everything has been pumped to the max and that reduces the overall quality and experience of listening. It takes a lot to resist what's going to make you popular, what's going to make you most liked. And it explains why TikTok came in and they had so much success, because they figured that out. But then, because of that, other companies had to jump in and try and copy the strategy that was working, because it turns out we humans cannot resist popularity and fame. It's a hard thing. So I understand why people would always gravitate to what's going to make them most popular. It takes a lot to resist it. It's difficult.

9:09:53 Here we are, crafting sound bangers. I suspect it may be network-related on my side, because I recorded it shit, and it wasn't showing up on top of the main feed on my feed, and I had to wait a bit, wait for it to refresh before it starts showing. So I didn't even get a chance to attach something, even though I wanted to attach it. So it could be network-related, but I appreciate your quick response. In my case, I haven't noticed it before. It started to just happen in the last 24 hours, maybe 48 hours. And I don't think it's network related because it's always been sent. And if you go immediately to my profile, you'll see it there. But if you go back to the feed or where I posted it, it still doesn't appear there. So I think it's probably some kind of UI thing, at least in the iOS. Or maybe it doesn't get some kind of feedback from the server. I'm definitely going to watch it and see if it happens again.

9:10:43 And if it does, then I'll just shake and bake it, send it in. I cried so hard reading Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant. Heck, I even recorded it as a video and later sent it to Kamal. It made me realize just how much my parents loved me. And I think there was a lot of forgiveness that I realized was needed to be done. And I think every child learns to forgive their parents for various grudges they hold against them. I remember, while absolutely bawling, I had this visualization of some of the hardest moments of my life. And I saw my younger self, like this grade 3 sigil, and I went up to him and I just hugged him. I was like an older brother to myself.

9:11:34 And in that almost, like, euphoric state of realization, I reprogrammed that difficult memory of me crying in front of, like, the grade 3 class during presentation to be something much more positive. And my older self is in that memory when I rethink of it. So thank you, Kamal, for writing this. It made me realize just how, I don't know, loved I've been. I really felt it. Like, holy shit, you know? I'm going to have been, like, my ass might have been whooped sometimes as a kid, but damn, they still love me. You know what I'm saying? love you mom and dad love you max oh snap the fomo is kicking in damn air chat there's a new bug when you post a new cheat the tools for adding images stacking people doesn't appear after a while you have to go to your profile and see the cheat there and that's the only way to use that 15 minute window now it seems to be working i don't know what happened It happened multiple times. I even have some screenshots to prove it.

9:12:36 In your 30s, health takes the lead. More wealth you seek to meet its need. When is the wise part coming from the healthy wealth device? That has to be such a fun doc to have. All I can think about is Bear from the TV show Person of Interest. If you haven't seen it, you gotta see this clip. This is the first time they meet. That was such a fun TV series and a lot of the things they speak about there have already become reality and they were so ahead of stay time. There's power in revisiting past memories and experiences. First, you rewrite them. That's how the brain works. You don't store the memories like a read-only memory. You rewrite them. So they change when you visit and touch them.

9:13:25 And of course, this can be an opportunity. But the other one is also that if you're looking at something that happened in your past in childhood, and now you as an adult can understand things differently and probably see them better, what happened, and understand maybe a bit more about the surroundings and reasons what happened. And this gives you an opportunity to have another perspective on the matter and maybe even settle it. I changed my mind. I will listen to it and then I will read it. I cried so hard reading Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant. Heck, I even recorded it as a video and later sent it to Kamal. It made me realize just how much my parents loved me. And I think there was a lot of forgiveness that I realized was needed to be done. And I think every child learns to forgive their parents for various grudges they hold against them.

9:14:19 I remember while absolutely bawling, I had this visualization of some of the hardest moments of my life. And I saw my younger self, like this like grade three sigil, and I went up to him and I just hugged him. I was like an older brother to myself. And in that almost like euphoric state of realization, I reprogrammed that difficult memory of me crying in front of like the grade three class during presentation to be something much more positive. And my older self is in that memory when I rethink of it. So thank you, Kamal, for writing this. It made me realize just how, I don't know, loved I've been. I really felt it. Like, holy shit, you know? I'm going to have been like, my ass might have been whooped sometimes as a kid, but damn, they still love me. You know what I'm saying?

9:15:07 Love you, mom and dad. Love you, Max. Max discovered the secret of Finns. When two people are talking, there are six people in the conversation. Who you think you are is the first one. Second, who you think the other person is. Third, who you think the other person thinks you are. Fourth, who the other person thinks they are. Fifth, who the other person thinks you are. Sixth, who the other person thinks you think they are. It's complex. So the iTunes Music Store was launched on this day 21 years ago. Who could have possibly known how many services businesses would have been born out of one product? So happy birthday, iTunes Music Store. Only 99 cents by now. and Japan will never be the same. And Japan is in. Brian, no. I don't know the first thing about being a venture capitalist, but I'd assume that betting on products to fail wouldn't be the right approach or attitude to take.

9:16:04 One of the best VCs in the business, Tim Chang, told me a long time ago that he felt like his job was to be in service of the entrepreneur. And even after a meeting, if he wasn't going to invest, or even if he didn't believe in it, he always felt thankful to the entrepreneur. for taking that risk, for doing what it takes to follow their dream, follow their vision, and give up the other opportunities along the way to really work at making what they want happen in the world. So a VC has to be optimistic about the future, and a great VC, I think, has to be in service of the entrepreneur. Nope, I'm not doing them anymore. It's a young man's game. Especially all the multinational roadshows. You wreck your health in your 20s in order to make enough money to buy it back in your 30s. Morsi Morsi, AI, how you been doing? Thank you for recommendation. I just realized this message now.

9:16:54 I'm very, um, finding difficult sometimes to keep up air chat. Like it's, I don't know. I mean, I'm personally not good at those things, keeping up like fast moving things. So, um, but thank you and I will check it out. No need to rush. The message was waiting for you. I meant to say I just heard a very serious it. Happy birthday Linda. Thank you, thank you. A great question can kill a bad idea. That's why it's useful to focus on developing quality questions. Hot off the presses, we have a new build in the App Store for iOS, version 3.1.1, and that has a channel directory, or at least a first version thereof, so you should be able to find channels to join. And it has translation, but very limited translation.

9:17:44 Translation from just a small handful of languages into English when you encounter the script. It's not voice-based translation, it's text translation. And don't worry if it doesn't incorporate your language just yet. Right now it's only a limited number of languages for performance reasons. In the future, we're also going to look at adding and opening up more channels, but this channel directory is the first start. Now you can find channels to join. What is the advice? that people don't want. The real advice. Because most of the time, real advice is simple, straightforward, but hard to do. And advice in and of itself is trying to find a short way. But most of the times, there are no short ways. And also, people don't listen to advices. They ask for them, mostly people, but people don't listen to advices. Most of the times, I think. It takes an open and humble mind to hear something you don't want to hear.

9:18:32 Yeah, and the people who have open and humble mind, they love to hear the things they don't want to hear. They really like score. They love that feedback. Personally, I would love that if I get the right feedback that this is something that I'm doing wrong. Today, when we look back 2,000 years, we mourn the loss of the Great Library of Alexandria. 2,000 years from now, I think the risk, looking back, is knowing what is real and what is not. with all the AI-generated content. It's already confusing Google. And it's not really disinformation, but it's not authentic information. So I wonder if looking back 2,000 years from now, they'll be just as confused as history has lost through obfuscation. The power of voice and visual explanations. About 30 years ago, yeah, I'm getting a bit old, I used to be into the rave scene and I was using drugs quite heavily, even though it was recreationally.

9:19:31 And I had a kind of experience where the world started kind of breaking apart for me. And I kind of started questioning things very much, but I was really, really scared. And I couldn't, I had no kind of way of putting things together. And eventually I was told that there was a clinic where people got help. It was just free help, what you could call in. So I went to the clinic and I was trying to explain to the guy what was going on for me. And he was asking me about certain drugs that were around at the time that I suspected that they'd got experience with. And I remember seeing a whiteboard in there and I knew I wasn't getting anything across in any reasonable way. So I stood up and got the pen and I drew a picture of a stickman in the air and I drew a line under the stickman. And I said to the guy, look, that's me here and this is reality.

9:20:24 And I need to get back to reality. I need to find reality. And the guy, I'll never forget the guy, just said to me, come back in 12 weeks, you'll be okay. And I walked out of that clinic that day and what seemed like a curse but was actually a blessing, I realized that I had to do this on my own and I had to find my way back to reality, so to speak. And that image has stuck with me for a long time. And it wasn't until somebody pointed out the simplicity in how I described something. But what he also said was that I was kind of optimistic if I thought that somebody could help me find reality, which was another thing that resonated. So that experience was a great one. So you left it in a cliffhanger. Did you ever get back to reality? Hey, maybe there is a part two. I just haven't rolled it out yet. But yeah, I like to think I've got my two feet on the ground and my head still in the clouds from time to time, and it works in a nice symbiosis.

9:21:27 Native writer and native speaker. Time can unveil, but you have to come up with the explanations. I finally found the area where to buy the PDF, but do you have a physical copy of the book, like through Amazon or anything like that? I did a room last year on EFChat, and the web links are not working anymore, or maybe it's temporary. But here's a direct link for the video version of the EFChat room, which explains a little bit about the book. Are there other appendicitis victims out there? Hello, everyone. Is there any David Lynch fan or Laszlo Antrier fan here? Or Andrei Tokovsky? if so, list out your film set that you've loved made by Tarkovsky or Lynch or David Lynch or Laszlo Antir and has anyone seen the film Bo is Afraid and Dream Scenario and Bardo the Chronicle of False Truth that's by the guy who did Birdman and Revenant just interested I'd leave your opinions and thoughts and you guys have a good night insult yes I've noticed I've been having a lot more conversations about the deeper things in life on air chat far more than I did when Twitter first came out as well although it is a little bit reminiscent but the other thing that I'm interested in that ties into film is all of my favorite movies have something to do with the depth of the human experience that we don't understand.

9:23:08 The Matrix, Inception, Waking Life, Vanilla Sky, all of these movies in some way, shape, or form deal with either the unconscious mind or the subconscious mind and also tie into different layers of reality. So, I don't know that I have a question here, apart from what are some of your favorite movies or films that have that theme to it that I might not have mentioned. And there's a lot, I'm sure. But I'd also be curious to get some thoughts on why people seem more open in discussing these universal mysteries.

9:24:00 Is it just more effective because you have a longer format and multiple ways of consuming? I don't know. You already have the keyword there, discussing. So this is the native platform for discussions. Text is far too easy to misunderstand, either intentionally or unintentionally. And this is the most natural way of discussing things, so you can hear the tone and the different layers of speak. So the voice is a natural way of discussing these things. Some of the... Well, I've been sifting from movies because I think nowadays movies are more like trailers for TV series which can give more depth to the stories and to the characters and to the timelines, what's happening within the plot. But there are a few interesting ones. 1899 is one of the recent ones. I already mentioned that somewhere else here.

9:24:49 Alice in Borderland is a Japanese one. It's a little bit violent, but it also has something if you watch it to the end. And Dark has also these quite sci-fi things, but so is Matrix as well. Bro, there's no Pigglypuff coin yet, so you could make that coin and buy it. And now you're both a venture capitalist and a founder. And soon the US government will give you more titles. Certified boomer moment. Syntax error. One of my favorite rooms in the previous edge hack was "What's in a name?" and I want to bring it back. So once again I want to ask you guys "What's your name?" "What's the name of your name?" and "What's the story behind me?" I would love to know it all. And silence reveals the truth.

9:25:38 But it looks like Kevin took it too seriously. Better let him cook. You don't want to go to the kitchen. It might be messy. And silence reveals the truth. I would beg to differ. I don't think there's any truth to be discovered without the will. One must be in its pursuit to have any chance of coming close to it. Yes, usually it helps if you're awake. And silence reveals the truth. Some cases, but in others, they are just multiple layers of a laugh and nothing more. And silence reveals the truth. I think time reveals the truth, not necessarily silence. Silence will probably help you see the truth.

9:26:28 But time itself is a better indicator of truth. Given that, of course, I think all truth is contextual. Most truths are contextual. Time can unveil, but you have to come up with explanations. You can't name your cat vampire and then expect it not to disappear. Kevin the cook. I'd like to join this group. I'm Kevin. I'm Kevin. There is no joy in Mudville over that. Sounds to me that there's a lot of pain to avoid E61 group coffee makers. You backflush them, depending on your frequency, about minimum once in a week, maybe a little bit more often, with some kind of tablets and it takes five minutes and that's it. the service you have to do. So I don't know what the fuss is about. Hey founders, I'm going to let you in on a secret. Your job in the very beginning is to be a steward and a guardian of your own secret. Those that you share it with may tell you you're crazy. Most won't buy it, believe it, or even get it. And your job is to press forward, double down, triple down, and to protect your secret with integrity, purity, maniacal devotion until the secret starts getting shared with teammates, customers, and perhaps investors until one day you wake up and the secret becomes an obvious truth in the eyes of the market. The feed is also time dependent. So if you're posting something now and it's off peak hours, people are not picking up when they wake up and there are people watching so same less cross posting linking to old content is something you can do because that will just bump up the content and i just did it just a few minutes ago with something i did early on so you can post a new post into the thread and then people will see it and that's a good way but also doing for others if you see something interesting just reboost it reach it and maybe add a comment and it will be pumped up so the older conversations can still be big

9:28:33 up that way so I wouldn't worry too much if nothing has been seen for example today I've been putting something which hasn't been picked up by anybody but it's just the nature of the feed you have to go to the person's profile and then scroll and find those things and who does that you know I have also noticed that the feed is time dependent and I'm trying to understand this feed I mean sometimes there are a lot of people to interact with there's a lot of content whatever you post gets picked up very easily and sometimes it doesn't you know so I think this feed is definitely changing with time and maybe people haven't interacted with you because they haven't seen your content like i am interested in buddhism and spirituality but i haven't seen your content so i would have definitely interacted with you so it all depends what we are getting on our feet and how to change that and how to how to make it exciting even i'm trying to figure that out yeah there was some discussion about that yesterday also introduced a new term reverse feed stau stau is a german word meaning congestion traffic jam so if you check that thread you will see a little bit more about also the popularity of different days but also tend to different timings so it's the california time morning and night or evening which work and the rest is pretty not so not so busy and you can also go deeper into the feed more hours back so that helps to get more content.

9:29:55 I started watching it and it was too painful. It was the same GPT-4 output garbage midwit talk but with a convincing looking video of Reid Hoffman. I don't think this thing is alive or in any way going to be alive at least at this rate, maybe the next version. But I think if you were just to remove the talking avatar and voice and just read the results, you would not be impressed. It was not even a live footage. It was scripted. It was a jump cut. So you don't really know what else behind it, like the Google video where they had, well, they were using After Effects and Photoshop and whatnot because things were not exactly as they demonstrated a few months ago. So same vibe here. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Yeah, no, I hear all of that. I get you. And I'm still trying to figure out how I want to engage it in a way that I feel good about.

9:30:43 I started a big post on Buddhism, which was fun, and I went down a lot of rabbit holes with different people, but it's also kind of lost its own steam, And that might be because people aren't on the app as much or because, you know, sometimes conversations kind of roll and finish on their own. And yeah, it might be also there's not enough followers on that conversation and there's not enough people interested in that topic based on the current demographics. So that's also kind of interesting. I'm also trying to figure out, you know, the navigating air chat itself. It's still a bit of a struggle, right? Because it's like if I want to go to film, I have to kind of scroll right to left to finally find the film channel and then I post in the film channel and people see it or not. So it's a little bit tedious still. So I'm very curious how they're going to roll out updates in the next few weeks. But yeah, I think it's both. It's both trying to figure out where I personally fit into this, and secondly, trying to figure out how to navigate this as the app itself evolves and finds itself. The feed is also time-dependent.

9:31:32 So if you're posting something now and it's off-peak hours, people are not picking up when they wake up, and there are more people watching. So same, less cross-posting, linking to old content is something you can do because that will just bump up the content. And I just did it just a few minutes ago with something I did early on. So you can post a new post into the thread and then people will see it. And that's a good way. But also doing it for others. If you see something interesting, just reboost it, re-chid it, and maybe add a comment and it will be bumped up. So all the conversations can still be picked up that way. So I wouldn't worry too much if nothing has been seen. For example, today I've been putting something which hasn't been picked up by anybody. But it's just the nature of the feed. You have to go to the person's profile and then scroll and find those things. And who does that? Kevin the Cook.

9:32:21 I thought Enlightenment was supposed to be perfect knowledge, man. I got gypped on that one. Should see if I can get a refund. No wonder they've been trying to sell tobacco or they have been trying to make wine out of water and provide some fish and nothing really seems to stick. Totally unemployable. They don't fit for this world anymore. Nothing they say makes any sense. I know AirChat is different because I'm starting to think different when it comes to using it. Early on, do things that do not scale. Absolutely. It was all about crocs, and Winduvor had nothing to do with it. AirChat Pokemon. Collect all the funny transcripts. The difficulty with prompt art is that you don't really know what's coming out of the transcription. AirChat Pokemon. Collect all the funny transcripts.

9:33:12 Literal logic stops here. Oh, that explains how half of San Francisco got on AirChat. And it was always 100% plus 20%. But I really can't discount the possibility that Sigil is messing with me, because I don't think he has anything better to do. No, come on. Sigil is really busy. He's taking selfies with half of the population of San Fran. He will have no time for such frivolous matters. If you don't see the content you would like to see here, start talking. That's the best connect you can have for both your consumers. Now that I've experienced magic, it's normal and I demand more. Don't die and normalize magic. If you talk to any musician, especially jazz musicians, where music is transposed a lot, they'll tell you that transposing music is incredibly difficult.

9:34:01 Transposing, for those that don't know, means taking music that's in one key and playing it in a different key. So the corollary I like for this is translating things between different languages. and one of the mistakes you'll find out that people make when they're trying to translate between languages is they try to go word by word and just figure out what's the translation of that word what's the translation of this word over here and piecemeal it together but fluent language speakers translate by understanding the meaning and then conveying that meaning in the language trying to translate to so the way this applies to transposing music is you are more fluent in certain keys than you are in other keys probably every musician out there is more fluent in the key of C than they are in any other key. They just understand it better. So if you go out and you're trying to transpose music, you will transpose it more easily into the key of C because you understand the key better. When you hear something a different key, you know what those sounds are. You know how to make those sounds in the key of C so you don't have to go through the act of trying to transpose each individual chord because you know what sound you're going for and you know how to create it in that key. So I think a much more practical way to go about getting better at transposing music is just to get more fluent in each individual key. If I were trying to get really good at that, What I would do is I would take a bunch of my repertoire and transpose all of them into one key at a time.

9:35:12 Like if I'm going through all my songs, I'd play all of them in E flat. And then the next day I'd play all of them in E or play all of them in F and so on and so forth. Because you want to get better at the individual key. You want to understand that better. You want to be more fluent. It's all in the name, isn't it? Baby steps first at half speed. And silence reveals the truth. No. you just have to follow from the first shit and then the loop closes before you're all up post taking random things so personally oh you're like feels bad i feel bad like you do you usually get so agitated with random things like that it's not exactly random if you go to the beginning and i don't think he takes it personally there's a There's a great community here.

9:36:02 There are people who are building a product. And if somebody comes and starts to misbehave, it's a good test on the community that people are protecting each other. And also it shows that this is a place worth building and looking after. I must have missed some context, but I only read one message which said the platform won't be there five years from now. And that's it. So if there's more, I mean, okay, I will take a step back. And if that's all the message that brings some agitation, I'm not convinced. No, don't try to convince me. Just that agitation is like, that should not be the core of a thing. We are the people.

9:36:54 If any message can bring agitation in us, that doesn't make us who we are. Or if that's what makes us who we are, there's a gap in the core of something we are doing it wrong. That's my thought. Okay, I'll take a step back. That's all, guys. Thank you. The most complicated skill is to be simple. It's easy, after the fact. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. Is this the weekend? We're going to have a brilliant sound acting here. We already have karaoke. Is it just me, or is transcription quality degrading? It seems to handle golf terms properly. It seems to weaken started with a Streisand effect. Trusting editorials and newspapers to give you legit information about the ground reality of things is a very stupid thing to do.

9:37:54 I cannot emphasize enough how motivated these editorials are. and at the end of the day it's just one person. If you want to know the ground reality of things, you've got to get to the ground. That's where you find the reality. It's even more foolish to read those newspapers and magazines. They are pure opinion pieces nowadays. iPad battery is suddenly running out three times as fast as it used to, so pretty safe to say Tim Cook has a planned obsolescence refresh cycle prepared for us. Just so, first the screen time of AirChat, that might be another explanation. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. That is hilarious.

9:39:05 Idle minds. Yes, that is clearly where it's headed. You can already hack it to do that, but we're going to make it a lot more easy, a lot more obvious, and a lot more in line with what people expect from podcasts these days. We want to enable effortless podcasting. In the latest build, I noticed some of the tweets from the people who I'm following, and their replies, they are grayed out like the hidden ones. And it's confusing. I know what it means. Does it mean that I've already seen it? But I'm following them, at least when I click the profile picture, it shows following. So it's not the same as hidden, because it doesn't have that hidden eye icon and the text hidden. So it has something else, but it's a little bit confusing. I would appreciate that the things I've already seen, that maybe they are indicated somehow, or even somewhat hidden, and then I have a toggle to put it on and off. but that feature is just puzzling.

9:39:55 No, the great out replies doesn't mean that you have already seen them. That just means that your followers won't see them until you interact with them. So if you like the reply or you engage with it by replying, then it will become visible to your followers as well. I figured it out. It means you haven't seen it yet or it hasn't been active. You could be. And in fact, if you just incorporate an LLC and call it a GP entity, then you're ready to raise money. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. How Blue Sky has managed to get more than 5 million users where NOSTA is still under a million. And when Blue Sky had 1 million users, they had only 1500 daily active users. Rabble, co-founder of Twitter, explains what's going on with NOSTA and why it hasn't really taken off and what should be done about it. I've now been using my humane AI pin for a full day and I have still not been able to get it to do anything. To delve is human. After all. It's just an average of all the content it's ever interacted with.

9:40:58 The ATI train never left the station. Native rider and native speaker. Be native speaker. The tweet and the reality. Sound on. They move fast and break things, so there's no promise that any version will be working until they are getting the app into a pretty stable state. So it'll be a while. But that's fine. When you were working on your project, did you notice an odd API structure? Like different API calls that were fragmented to retrieve very specific types of information, instead of being more generic, in which you can request certain kinds of information? For example, there are API calls to get a stream, then to get thread details. And then you have to make a lot of different API calls to get full chain of a thread message. And I mean, maybe I'm misreading the API or not finding different exposed endpoints, which I should be using.

9:41:51 But it's just been very mysterious into how the actual API works. And it really needed to be understood and parsed. And everything needed to be tried out and experimented on versus something that's more straightforward. They can't. Other replies always go off to the side. It's a little hard to stay locked into your existing thread, but you can do it if you pay close attention to who you're replying to. In the latest build I have noticed some of the tweets from the people who I'm following, and their replies, they are read out like the hidden ones. And it's confusing. I don't know what it means. Does it mean that I've already seen it? But I'm following them, at least when I click the profile picture, it shows following. So it's not the same as hidden, because it doesn't have that hidden eye icon and the text hidden. So it has something else, but it's a little bit confusing. I would appreciate that the things I've already seen, that maybe they are indicated somehow, or even somewhat hidden, and then I have a toggle to put it on and off.

9:42:44 But that feature is just puzzling. One well-constructed sentence can represent years of work, and can save others centuries of work. The modern world has essentially infinite variety in possibilities and very high leverage. The ancient world had very little leverage and very few possibilities. So in the ancient world, downside risk was high. You made the wrong decision, you could die. So pessimism was appropriately rewarded. In the modern world, the downside risk is low. We live in much safer societies and the upside gains are very high because of both financial leverage and because of lots and lots of people that you could meet with and lots of different types of jobs and work and opportunities you could have. So it makes sense to be optimistic in the real world and more pessimistic in the ancient world. You want to be like Marc Andreessen famously said, someone with strong opinions loosely held. But I would add strong opinions loosely held on the upside, not on the downside. I read this and the only thing I could think about was thank god. Sorry Naval.

9:43:38 They probably omitted the fact that the Inuits were turned off quite quickly after that peek and they were troubled for many days. Yes, they did. Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth. What truth? There is no spoon. there is no spoon then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends it is only yourself he said he did i'm not sure if he was just trying to act cool as sometimes 13 year olds do or if he really liked it In manner of speaking I just want to say That I could never forget the way You told me everything, I say nothing. In manner of speaking I don't understand How love in silence becomes a reprimand But the way that I feel about you is beyond words. I remember there were some people who were starting to stream on Twitter at that time, and they just got a lot of gear and started to do DJing without much knowledge, but they just had the money to throw into the gear and they started to do live streams. Probably not too many people now.

9:45:13 also in history, so it was just a father enjoying for themselves and maybe learning curiosity. And I'll have to take the time. The first AirChat weekend hackathon for startups has just started. Well, I think it was one or two days ago he was sharing how he made his first million or millions. And there's probably some tens of minutes of content if you want to listen. Did I wake up at 1.50 a.m. and proceed to reply to all my air chats? Yes. Yes, I did. Back to sleep. Sleep well, everyone. Mr. Anderson, these transcripts remind me of the movie Matrix. We are all falling cold behind the screen, living in a virtual world.

9:46:05 do not try and bend the spoon that's impossible instead only try to realize the truth what truth there is no spoon there is no spoon then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends it is only yourself how's your experience because you're following like a thousand people like sometimes like my feet is just dead or at least it's completely stagnant it's just the same stuff like you described before. Does it also happen with you in the same manner? Or do you think there's like, so I'm trying to get an indication of how much activity there's really happening on those off days. Yeah, generally my strategy now has been to just lurk in channels and see the people who are starting interesting conversations and just follow those people. I haven't unfollowed anyone yet, at least I don't think so. Maybe a week ago I asked him about his experience and he never replied and my guess was that it was the reason that he never saw it because of exactly the influx of messages and whatever is coming to his feed and it wasn't he did it intentionally because i called him for that later on and he replied but it was just that you know you cannot just keep up with the stuff it becomes too much and i don't think that's the purpose of this app it's you can maybe form a few new friends per day and because they're not at the same time online some of them or four weeks. So there's sort of a Rolodex friendship going on all the time. So it's manageable even though you get to know more than the Dunbar number or multiple of the Dunbar number.

9:47:38 But it's still different than having a firehose of followings and followers at once. This is where Balaji's network state idea is intriguing. If we can connect with people genuinely as if we're in person over air chat and other mediums then it's like the precursor, you know, forming the bonds virtually before establishing the physical location. And establishing the bonds virtually is a very difficult task, especially because text doesn't encapsulate a lot of the soul, like voice does and like video does and like the metaverse may. So I do hope that these digital forms of connection will improve and evolve so that we can strengthen bonds virtually. and if we have strong enough bonds virtually, then maybe one day lots of people will start creating neighborhoods and start creating communities physically, locally. Because it is a big commitment to do that. So the virtual experience that you have with other people has got to be pretty damn great for you to give up everything and move somewhere with them.

9:48:41 So it seems like these virtual forms of communication that enhance human connection might be maybe the precursor to the network state really unfolding in the proper way. In a scalable way that a lot of people actually opt into voluntarily, eagerly even. Is there a need to physically be in the same place? Because people love different things, they enjoy different climates, and they may have different needs because of their families and cultures and whatnot, but they may not associate with the people next to them. So if there are different layers, meta layers, you know, like we're talking around the world here, and like Sips was saying that he has a few close friends he can call if something happens locally, but he probably can call more people around the world in some other matters. So could it also be formed in a way that everybody, your next door neighbor is affiliated, associated with some other type of virtual digital network?

9:49:40 So do we really need these physical layers in that sense? Probably this will look more like a libertarian society where you're paying for the services and it's not totally top-down, centralized on every aspect and one-size-fits-all type of solutions. But do we really need to live next to each other? Yeah, generally my strategy now has been to just lurk in channels and see the people who are starting interesting conversations and just follow those people. I haven't unfollowed anyone yet, at least I don't think so. maybe a week ago I asked him about his experience and he never replied and my guess was that it was the reason that he never saw it because of exactly the influx of messages and whatever is coming to his feed and it wasn't he did it intentionally because I called him for that later on and he replied but it was just that you know you cannot just keep up with the stuff it's interesting it seems that there are sort of like periods on air chat and are more interesting and more calm so yesterday I was on air chat at the end of the day and there was nothing that going on that I found interesting and today I see a lot of interesting conversations maybe because it's Friday yes yeah like yesterday there was so much stuff happening that I didn't see many hours like in the football defense depth the depth wasn't really good so I couldn't see many hours you know backwards and today there wasn't really anything I was surprised that when I went to bed into Europe and I woke up and the next morning I could see the whole thing more or less with the 1k people.

9:51:07 So there wasn't almost anything done while I was sleeping. And then there was this, well, let's say that it's not suitable for work type of picture, which I didn't really want to see. And it was just coming all the time to my feed. So the feed depth was unfortunately going too much and that wasn't even too deep. So there was no new stuff coming. And yeah, so it can be almost completely empty at times. what I linked early on with the bipolar days early on in that thread. There was also the timing. So the California times, the evening nights and the mornings are the best times for the feed globally. So you have time for those. But for example, today is Friday, so people are going off. So probably there's not going to be that much stuff happening, but you never know. Can I put instant coffee in my espresso machine?

9:51:55 I'm out of beans. This was my first time I saw using the picture as a Grammarly. Maybe that could be a feature. Yes, Petri. I remember reading Elon Musk's biography by Walter Isaacson and coming away from it, just admiring how much work he had put in, but also just realizing that his childhood must have been very tough. And as somebody who's been in therapy, I'm not no professional, but I see a lot of childhood trauma still stuck with Elon in the way he responds to things and the way he also sees the world sometimes. And I think my hope is he does find the therapy that he needs to really start to move much more from a higher self and not from his wounded inner child self. And this gets really complex and more in-depth. But yeah, I remember just coming away from it like, yes, there's a lot of trauma here. But sometimes that trauma, and I think Walter Isaacson also mentioned this, is also the sort of like threshold he needed to reach to become as successful as he's become. So it's just one of those things that I really do hope that now he's maybe attained the heights.

9:52:48 He can really seek therapy that can lead to the healing that his inner child actually needs. So in case the room doesn't open, it's air.chat forward slash Petri, my first name, P-E-T-R-I forward slash, and then Elon's first and last name, Elon Musk, all together. You just type it in any browser and it should open the room and you should be able to listen to it. But just keep in mind that you have to click the booklet, then you have to scroll to the top, then you have to click it to move the header to that position. Then you have to repeat it again and do it a few times until you find that you really are in the beginning, if you want to start from the beginning, because it doesn't start from the beginning. This was my first time I saw using the picture as a Grammarly. All that explains. Well, that's an expensive hobby. I guess Om, who is here, is a fan of Lego and my profile picture has been also taken by a friend of mine with Lego.

9:53:40 Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think I still have a couple of handbags sitting around somewhere. Most of the stuff I've made, I've given away, or I've snuck it into consignment shops and stuff like that. But I think I've still got handbags sitting around in a closet somewhere. Sometimes it takes a little while for it to upload. Then there are two of these photos, uploaders, or the ways you can attach the image at least on iOS. And it's a little bit clunky, clinky in a way. And it's not always obvious. You have to push the attach one button, I think in both cases, but it's not clearly showing it. So yeah, maybe it's the coffee, maybe it's a system, or maybe it's Friday, but at least it's not the Friday 30th. Yeah, I think I might have... I'm using pretty bad Wi-Fi at the moment. I was at the moment, I was pretty far away from it, and I think I navigated away as soon as I hit the button, or maybe I didn't hit the... I might not have hit the attach button. Oops. I think it was me. I'm pretty sure it was me. So I found myself using certain products during certain times. For For example, I only check TikTok in bed.

9:54:48 Not proud of it. Not a good habit, but that's the only place I use TikTok. And for AirChat, I usually use it on the stationary bike. That's actually why I'm a little bit out of breath right now. But for whatever reason, stationary bike and AirChat are symbiotic. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Bring AirChat with you to bed. The best chits are said horizontally. Some years back, I was interviewing Sandra Lox, a fashion designer. And here's her company's website. And she's doing from denim jeans, from recycled materials, clothes, I think mainly for women, but also accessories, if I remember correctly. So cool, Petri. It looks like she might be in New York in two weeks or so. So if anybody from here is going to meet her, just let's do a practical joke and say hello from me. So what do you guys, is this for listening to records?

9:55:36 It looks like it's a plug-in. So I have the Apple headphones. Is that like sufficient or is this like substantially better? I mean, I don't think I'm an audiophile enough to tell, but I'm fascinated. I've never even heard of this. A lot of things are like that. You just have to know the good stuff. But usually it takes a little bit of investigation for the matter to find the real good stuff. This is just totally true. I don't think Europeans should be allowed in the U.S. Because their fashion is just too good. It makes the rest of us look really shitty. Reminds me one time when I was in New York in some rather fancy hotel. The receptionist was asking, are you in the government business or like why? Well, I was just referring to my regular working clothes. Yeah, it's completely unfair and brings the rest of us down. I am a capitalist in every single way except for this. This, I'm a full-on communist. Bring on the quality of fashion.

9:56:26 Everybody should be wearing sweatpants like me. How do you signal that you are in an awkward place while you're doing your shit? For example, like send from iPhone was the thing in the early days, excusing for the typos. So if you're exercising or you're in some other weird place, how do you tell that with your voice? So I found myself using certain products during certain times. For example, I only check TikTok in bed. Not proud of it. Not a good habit. But that's the only place I use TikTok. And for AirChat, I usually use it on the stationary bike. That's actually why I'm a little bit out of breath right now. But for whatever reason, the stationary bike and AirChat are symbiotic. I don't know. I don't know what it is. That's funny. Unless you're recording your TikToks, it wouldn't actually make sense to swap them the other way around. I totally get it if you want to get to sleep and you may need to whisper or something. But yeah, it's kind of funny that when you need to use the audio, you are out of breath. There is so much joy in space than in stuff.

9:57:20 So I recently moved one of the furnitures, a standing desk, from my bedroom. And now I'm looking at the room and there's an empty space. The empty space is just getting the feeling of nothing being there. it just feels so good like the room just opens up it looks bigger it feels easier to walk I never really liked acquiring stuff to put it in the house I rather have space everywhere and I can just you know empty everything out except for the bare essentials that I need negative space is the thing well it's actually a stationary bike so not so dangerous why it didn't work was it the technology too challenging or was it that they couldn't find a market fit or some other other things that's curious because the voice has been something we've been tested so many times i remember voice portals in the early 2000s even uh any fans of akikaurismaki here or other finnish cinema please i would like to hear opinions and if you don't know who it is you should definitely look it up and watch one of those movies it's a special type cinema, Kino. I know Unity loves the Nudik Noir, so if you have any recommendation for the Finnish TV series or anything available on Netflix, feel free. I didn't really do anything else except mention Bordertown in English and The Bridge, the Swedish Danish one.

9:58:49 It doesn't do anything for me at all. I mean, I can go to sleep right after a cup of coffee, but it tastes delicious and so I look at coffee as quality of the beverage and wonderful taste not as baseline or elevation or anything of that nature well there certainly are differences in waters and well I'm not probably exactly as picky with the waters than I'm with the coffees but yeah there's certainly huge differences I don't know how to call them they are not diesel but well let's leave it at that maybe with coffees obviously you have the different brands but I I don't know, maybe it is because you would need to roast it yourself. And I don't know how long the raw beans would last. And what would be the way to do the vintages? Is that even a thing? Is that possible? It doesn't match anything, so I think that's why it's perfect. I love the brilliance of the AirPods, where you're in the middle of a phone call and then you have to say, Siri, put the volume up or down.

9:59:48 And that's not really the best experience for those in the other end of the line. Yeah, they don't usually are that good that you can completely, if you're not blasting techno or stuff like that, but certainly keeping your situational awareness is not out of the question, but just blocking all the noises. That's a fascinating idea. How do you even communicate with other people? Would it just passively play the conversations and you can interject? Would you need voice commands? What do you think? I love the brilliance of the AirPods where you're in the middle of a phone call and then you have to say, Siri, put the volume up or down. And that's not really the best experience for those in the other end of the line. I guess they will need to have AirCat chat. Cat chat. That could be a jazz channel. I'm no US expert, but does it become serious when you switch from inches to millimeters?

10:00:42 One of the things that I've noticed is that whispering is also really easy to do, and the transcription is really good. I don't think enough people have realized yet that you can actually whisper with a great deal of privacy into your microphone. But as that becomes more apparent, I think people start to realize how foundational this is to being the most obvious and frictionless approach to on-the-go communication. It would be funny if whispering would become the thing in public. oh, you're whispering again, so you are in air chat. It doesn't have to be air chat, but I definitely think the sort of medium can normalize and overcome the sort of privacy limiting factors. Yes, that is funny.

10:01:30 I accidentally replied in the wrong thread. And yeah, everyone makes fun of me right now. But yes, governments of cats means cat owners. Beware, watch out. You're giving ideas to some people. They're going to get engagement followers and some laughs. I feel like I admire Elon as a builder, as somebody who does hard things, as somebody who has the vision to go get it done. But some of his political takes, man, I don't know. They really come across as really dog whistle and old South African appetite behavior. And there's just no other way to really look at it. But I'm able to complementize that and just still respect the fact that he does do hard things. And just because he's a genius in one industry or one arena does not mean it cuts across all the other arenas. And it reminds me of a quote that says, sometimes we admire the genius so much, but that we wonder if God could have given them less talent and much more humanity.

10:02:21 But yeah, that's my take on Elon. There's surprisingly many tech builders, entrepreneurs, VCs, luminaries in the field, but not just on tech, but also in other fields like physics. And you're completely surprised by the takes on certain things happening at the moment. And it defines common knowledge, common logic. If you have some sense of decency, ethics, you would just come up with from the first principles what would be the way. But it's sometimes better just to appreciate people, what they're doing, and just understand that we all have our limitations. And it's a limited time to go into something. and that's probably the best for everyone. And if you don't know too much about something, maybe think twice as well.

10:03:10 It's always good to comment, but you're telling quite a lot about yourself in the process. Also, Jess, for heaters, I'll have a recommendation based on your size. I've liked the Harvia and the Hume. The Hume is beautiful. It's open with the rocks, but it's not UL certified, which means your insurance company might have a hard time with it. Maybe. Even so, it's still safe, but it's exposed. So since it's you, probably okay if the sauna is a bigger sauna. But otherwise, the Harvia is enclosed, so you're not going to accidentally just brush against it and have a fifth-degree burn, right, eviscerate your leg or something. So I think they're both fine, but the Harvia is a little on the safer side and has an automatic shutoff. So if you do the Wi-Fi, it'll shut off safely after an hour. So you have to pay attention to it. But it is also a nice safety feature if you're somebody like me who will occasionally forget an iron, curling iron coffee pot or something. you can get them as a woodburner if that's easier but i guess in california that's not the case my optimistic reputation precedes me i guess um but yeah absolutely i mean you say people forget after a period of time i actually think that period of time is quite low six months to a year for the average person and so it allows for legislation or regulation to narrow further and further taking away more and more rights um over time which trust me i'm a huge proponent of all things, self-sovereign and autonomy and creating more of that for more people. And, um, yeah, so I suppose, uh, we will see what will happen. I think a question I ask myself often, because I think the reason, one of the reasons at least people forget quickly is because it almost feels like, what can we even do in this situation? You know, I mean, I used to be a lobbyist, uh, I don't know, gosh, over like 10 years ago now at this point. And even in that position, I didn't feel like I didn't feel like there was much I could even do. And so, yeah, it's about how do we get more people to be concerned about these things to sort of bring that more bottom-up approach.

10:05:08 I will link here at the previous conversation already what's been happening here. So there are similar points. So this feels more like an ad hoc thing, which will be the slippery slope. And also Preston Burns has been asking the questions, what are the laws they've been breaking and also there's some other points but check the link if you're just dead off having the previous comments already and there are some links to twitter and other places dude it is utterly nonsensical to me i if you were going to say to china look there's got to be reciprocity between you know how we treat each other's companies i would say yeah that makes sense treat them like they treat us fine ban tiktok for that reason because they don't let us disseminate our tech companies there great this idea that it has undue influence over kids i mean that's smartphones and social media so ban and restrict social media and even the most insulting thing to me is that we can't compete facebook uh twitter google apple all these companies that were out there in the social uh media communication the uh space and they couldn't figure out an algorithm that got people as hooked and was as fun and entertaining as what tiktok did what that to me is the biggest indictment and is like you know boeing airplanes falling apart but the social media tech version of that utter incompetence same thing with the vision pro stuff just incompetent bad product bad and excuse making it's just terrible and what are they gonna do roll it up it's gonna be another like uh mechanism for the deep state to uh sanction and censor people man i agree forebodes badly and so does that samurai wallet thing might also explain why they don't want to open the source code to anyone i wonder why people keep using the work-life balance term as if work is not part of Life. Work should be part of life. It is life.

10:06:47 It can be work-leisure balance, but not work-life balance. If you need a scale. Hey, founders. I've got a quick question. How do you understand that you are choosing the right co-founder? For example, I've told so many people that I have spoken to for the idea that I have been working with or the different project that I want to start with. They are very enthusiastic. They say they want to work on that problem. They even sometimes give time for that. But again, they have their responsibilities and liabilities. right which i understand that they have their certain financial responsibility towards their family which is great but then you don't really build a company like that right you need 100% commitment towards like what's the idea that you're building and if i'm giving 100% i would believe that the co-founder should also go so do you think that i am being selfish thinking like this i i wish the best for the other co-founder or all the aspiring co-founders but as a founder i would believe that if we are spending time it should be sitting there solve the problem get to the next board. It's not like the entire day I'm waiting because we have not started anything yet. We are still in the design or thought process, the brainstorming phase. We are just spending time.

10:07:52 We are just wasting time and waiting for each other that when do I get a feedback, right? So what is the best thing to do? Like if you come across very intelligent people or a very intelligent profile who is equally enthusiastic about the idea, but they have their own responsibilities and you need to wait to really have a chat with that person and then take it forward. So what do you do in these kind of situations? If the person has already had a startup or two, so they have shown that they are a true entrepreneur, that's a good sign. So I would be looking for these type of signals. And if there are none, then you will be taking quite a big risk. But the agency is the biggest thing. So are they thinking like a founder, taking the responsibility and acting like that? And It's really hard to test that if the person has been in a corporate life or hasn't been a founder before. So you're actually just rolling the dice.

10:08:45 Hey folks, who's been around Twitter for a long time. Do you know any clients probably for Twitter? Because I love how XCOM app organized. I know there is an app called E-Up, which is a decentralized cross-posting app. It basically connects your Blazky, Mastodont, Fatprint, I guess, threads from Meta, and Twitter. But the problem with the app, I got the invitation. I connect my accounts, but there is no option to see only Twitter feed. I basically see random folks from any social media, which I even didn't connect. Like, I don't have an account on Blue Sky, but I see folks posting on Blue Sky and I don't see Paul Graham in my feed or Gary Tan or, you know, whoever I follow on Twitter.

10:09:42 It doesn't make any sense. Why would I connect Twitter to another app and there is a feed? Basically, it's for my followings, right? But I can access them. It's just random crypto folks. I don't know. Do you know any clients which still operate even under prohibited access to API? I don't know. Twitter used to have third-party clients, but because of the API, it became prohibitively expensive for third parties. So they have been now closed down, more or less. You may find something if somebody is willing to pay for the bills for the users, but most likely you will not find anything. E-App, which is the cross-posting app. I don't know, maybe it's not paying for the API access for the feed. What comes to Blue Sky, for example, there are many clients for that one.

10:10:31 Skeet is one of them, Greyskay used to be one of them, and a few other ones. But because the API for Blue Sky is, well, it's free, that's why you probably see the things from Blue Sky. And the same for Mastodon instances, you can get the feed. So that way, even though you don't have an account, it's still possible to see the feed. If you are not having a new conversation with a new person every day, are you really answering? I just had a really interesting experience. It might not sound like a really interesting experience to others, but to me it was a really interesting experience. I was on X and I was looking through people's feeds and looking at posts. And I saw a post by somebody who I follow and I went for the microphone to respond. How about that? It's getting serious.

10:11:20 Good morning. everyone included i'm waiting for your update do you have a smile on your face this morning hey tom yeah not bad already afternoon having lunch here hey brett is the link working for you or working for anyone else it is not working for me i was not in the older version or maybe i was but with a different account i forgot but yeah i can't click on the link okay here is the Brett's last year's link in case it for some particular reasons will start to work for you. Wow, I somehow forgot to say hello. Hello everyone. Hello, everyone included. Try them all and then report back. And the fitness channel is waiting after that one. TV dinner. Drop the TV, just the dinner. it's cleaner. EZ has introduced the latest stealth technology. They are gradually taking out the text reading component and you just have to listen. That's the hands-free mode. Oh there's a slight chance it's just a bug. That's a normal behavior while you're recording but it should clear and so the text when it's a regular chit. Clarity of thought will then be expressed in tweets and chits and any other forms. It sounds easy, but first you have to get that, and that's the hardest part.

10:12:45 Then the rest is just putting it out there in some medium. Sometimes the clarity of thought takes away from the power of emotion, and you can kind of see this with the difference between a YouTube apology and a real apology. The YouTube apology being a meme reflecting the idea of a pr constructed clear concise message right that conflicts with our expectation of an emotional response that would be indicative of a real apology and so sometimes clarity serves to actually remove especially if it's an it's a if it's a post if it's a kind of like a consistent the message trying to be expressed.

10:13:37 For some reason my links are not working this morning, Jess. Let me see if I try again at a different time. Air chat broke the rest of the social media feeds. They don't feel the same without the haptic. Ooh, such a great point. I love the little subtle bumps when you scroll through. It feels so weird. The feed is just scrolling through and it doesn't have any friction in there. It's like totally out of control. It's like, yeah. EZ has introduced the latest stealth technology. They are gradually taking out the text reading component and you just have to listen. That's the hands-free mode. Oh, there's a slight chance. It's just a buck. Just a public service announcement, there's a new build of the app in the App Store with a lot of bug fixes and some more options to see who may have replied to a message.

10:14:35 So go ahead and download it and enjoy. Alright, I'm checking in. I'm saying happy Thursday. I'm actually feeling metaphorically better. I don't know what that means, but I just wanted to say it. Sometimes you just need to say what needs to be said just to hear yourself out. And I will enjoy this app for that always. Good morning. Everyone included, I'm waiting for your update. Do you have a smile on your face this morning? Why do you continue to log on to AirChat? Is there like a driving purpose to the reason you decide to log on? When you encounter a new message, you can just reply to it. You can listen to the voice of the person, but you don't necessarily see who the person is or check the profile or do the background check like you tend to do with Twitter and other places. And that's also refreshing. and it's also like and this for me is the nice part i i won't log in all the time and i can't be as active necessarily but when i do i can return back to my conversations that i had left previously like asynchronously i can hop into channels that i'm interested in and just add to some conversations and then leave and come back tomorrow and do the same thing and that's the thing i very much enjoyed uh is just the asynchronous nature on top of being able to hear you and also read like your words too when you also add the cold winters and if you happen to by the lake or by the sea you can also dip into the cold water so you will get the cold treatment as well and then you can go to sauna so these are the things and naturally children are going there as well so there are no issues with that and obviously have to take care of the safety things but they can be in the lower levels and yeah everybody does what feels good for them but yeah that's just a normal way in Finland and into Nordics you know that's been one of the coolest thing about all this AI stuff and audio interfaces um I have chat GPT premium and I get to speak finished with it and it speaks finished back to me and I can have conversations with a computer but it's been a cool way to practice but yeah we'd love to speak with you sometimes too.

10:16:32 Yeah it's absolutely mind-blowing how you can learn a new language and you don't have to be embarrassed to speak somebody slow or do the mistakes and you can do that casually or even while you're working and do the practice at the same time. This was a high praise for AirChat. Noticed another cool thing about Japan because everything works you can rely on things working and not having to think through four contingency plans and backup options when you just want to take a bus to the next town. You just assume the bus will be on time. If there is any confusion, there will be a helpful attendant. The tickets will be easily purchased on the spot, etc., etc. Whereas in Europe, at least in my part of Europe, the same trip would entail, what if it's late? What if the ticket machine is broken? What if the attendants resent me for wanting them to do their job and are essentially hostile and unhelpful, etc., etc. So that takes a great emotional and cognitive load of your shoulders because you can just rely on things working properly.

10:17:24 Japan is actually making me feel pretty neurotic because I approach every situation with three or four potential problems in mind. And I'm fairly sure that at least one of them will materialize because that's my experience from back home. And nothing ever happens. Everything goes smoothly. Everybody is helpful. Everything works. It's a disorienting experience. This was interesting to see. It just bumped to my feed about how TikTok is serving content and what type of content it's choosing. So based on that experiment, it looks not genuine, but a little bit manipulative, to say the least. It's unsurprising to me that TikTok was skewing their algorithm to foment whatever outcome from its audience was perceived to be by the corporate owners and the government control over those corporate owners in the best interest of China. whether that's destabilizing a perceived arrival or occurring favor with the population for ideals or ideas or allegiances, other than they might naturally default to.

10:18:37 But surely you understand that every social media platform, except X perhaps now, does the exact same thing at the behest of people that might not have any greater interest in the well-being of the people who they are influencing. via the social media platforms than China does. And so ban TikTok because of reciprocity, sure. Ban it because you feel like the algorithm is harming the United States and the citizens. You might think about banning influence by government in many other social media companies and networks. Ban it because it's too addictive. I think parents need to figure out how to say no to their kids. So I will not let my kids have phones like the one I'm talking into for a very long time. Now, you might say that's restrictive, not taking children seriously.

10:19:25 I just think there's powerful addictive forces out there that I don't feel capable of countering at this point. Maybe when I figure out how to restrict the technology better and eliminate those or block them, they can have these kind of devices. In fact, that's probably what I should do, since there's a lot of good stuff on here as well. Like AirChat! Anyway, thanks for your comment. The universe created itself for itself to connect with itself. You are the universe. And you're connecting with other people all the time. Underneath it all, they're you. You're connecting with yourself in new and surprising ways that you can never predict. The rollercoaster of serendipity orchestrated behind the scenes. We're all just here living the script. In a good way, though, we chose to. We wrote it. Now we're living it blind.

10:20:14 The fallout is near when it runs out of coffee. Eugene, since I'm already talking, this is the petrol I was referring to. Sounds good. What should be the topic? What should be the thing I should write about? Well, I don't know the title, but I would like to make one suggestion if it is appropriate. I think you can write something about how empathy and kindness can be really rewarding in this age. Because rest, everything is taken care of by the AI. So these two things are something which we can think about to build connections and create everlasting impact on the people. Thank you, Mahi. Those are really important qualities with humbleness.

10:21:10 I don't know the title either. I don't know even... Am I writing a book now? Or what's happening? Well, let's see. I think it's just fun to talk about things. And like Naval has been doing, he's just talking and some players writes the book. I kind of like that approach. But let's see what comes out. If there's an impeccable title, maybe the book will come out. Yeah, it's called Fragments of Reality. I put it on the previous chit. I can also put the airchart room here. And it's also actually in the same link in my website. You can get the book from Amazon and it's also free of charge available as a digital download on archive.org and probably some other place as well. Yeah, you don't really need a channel. You can just start a new fresh chit and don't reply to anybody. Just put it in your channel. And that's the beginning of a conversation and you can go as many chits and as deep as you like. So that's basically how it was done previously and can be done now. And it's not limited to any topic or any channel. But yeah, they were called rooms before and that's the previous chat and the link I gave is an example of a room. So you needed to pick a topic and it worked a little bit different. But yeah. Thanks, Kamala and Eugene. I did write one many years ago, and now it seems to be that I'm just writing them as we speak, but just on AirChat and digital social media.

10:22:29 Petri, I remember you talking about the book in the older version of AirChat. And I think I remember what it was about. Basically, your theory of life, the universe and everything, enlightenment. I'm not sure. It was something deep. Apparently, I wasn't being present when I listened to your describing it. Would you mind sharing again about your book? The book is just an example if you're practicing meditation. Those are the things you should be able to do yourself. It's not a one-on-one introductory book. I never did that, but fortunately they are Ekva Tolle, they are Krishnamurti. There are a lot of these good books which give you ideas. I think Awakening is one of them, and I probably list some of them in the previous version's Ejit Room. So those are good intros for the thing, but you can just read it as blog posts and nothing more.

10:23:22 So I wrote it in a way that it sort of stripped away all the, well, it's just a common language on purpose, but it should speak to you differently every time you read it. And there's been some readers who've been saying that it's an irritating book. It changes your thinking and probably a little bit of your life as well. And let's be kind to each other and give people the benefit of the doubt. I think Brian may have been more reflecting on how the nature of usage changes as people become more familiar with things. For example, if you walk into a party and you're horsing around with your friends, that's great. It's really fun. Are you going to spend the entire week 24-7 horsing around? Probably not. There was an app called Poster, P-O-A-S-T-E-R, and it was designed for shitposters. And it had quite the shitposter community from Twitter. They all went on there. And I got the feeling it didn't work. And I think the reason it didn't work, or one of the reasons it didn't work, was because shitposting is fun when there are serious people around, right? Because you kind of shitpost around them.

10:24:10 In a way, you're making fun of them without directly making fun of them. Or you're making light of a serious atmosphere. If the whole atmosphere was jokey, it wouldn't work. So at some level, you need the serious people around to have fun. And the people who are serious, they need people who are having fun around them so that they can be serious. If you get all serious people, it's boring. It's LinkedIn. If you get all people just having fun, then it wears itself out. It's like that poster app. And I'm not critiquing the poster app. I always give people full credit for making an effort and building something. But it just shows you that you need the opposite. The figure needs the ground. The front needs the background. The black needs the white to survive and to stand out. That's exactly right. I don't know. The other thing is that shitposting, kind of like sarcasm, gives you a poetic license to say things that can't be said too seriously or can't be said with this assumed air of gravitas because it's too much for someone to take in.

10:25:00 But if you do a shitpost, if you're just trolling or whatever, you create this kind of funny space where people are much more open to suggestion. And that's where a lot of great ideas come out of that. You can't only have it because you need the background of seriousness, as you said. And I, the stuff that I'm really enjoying consuming the most of on air chat is stuff that isn't shit posts. Um, but particularly, you know, you know, serious posts from people that I know to otherwise be shit posters. Um, so like, you know, if on Twitter, this person was a huge shit poster and all they were doing was shit posting here, for whatever reason, there seems to be a little bit more freedom to do the opposite and to post a little bit more seriously and be more curious and that's what I really like about posts on air chat so I'm gonna log out of air chat for today it's been such an awesome day and I want to thank the air chat guys I mean I hope that you guys get to make this the app that actually connects people in the world in this disconnected world because that's what it has done for me and i've been so emotional today i've experienced so much joy i've laughed so much i've been so hard i've even cried a little bit and it's because of the work that you guys are doing i really pray that you succeed in making this world more connected making people connect at a heart level also at an intellectual level because that's what i've experienced here but i feel like if i stay on for today i'm gonna be too emotional so i'm gonna log off for the day. But thank you, thank you guys, to all the beautiful people here. It's not remembering, but finding the keywords to actually get them from here. But I'm actually surprised that original JIT has been disappeared. I wonder was it Keats? Because I noticed there was quite many deleted messages, so it seems to be somebody you were talking with. Just curious. You don't need to answer if you don't like.

10:27:03 Yes, I think this was Keith's older account that he deleted accidentally. Accidental cancellations. Sounds like album name. I'm sorry we're going to take it easy with her. Wow, I'm so impressed. How do you remember this chant? I mean, I'm literally amazed. I've forgotten that I ever posted that, you know? There's no really secret. When you're paying fully and undivided attention to things, what do you do? You remember most of things, if not all. The fallout is near when Ehrtseid runs out of coffee. How do you work on expressing thoughts clear and concisely? Clarity of thought will then be expressed in tweets and chits and any other forms. It sounds easy, but first you have to get that, and that's the hardest part. Then the rest is just putting it out there in some medium.

10:27:56 Maybe this is the secret weapon of fitness people. No, no, NDI, I'm not that sophisticated yet. But even without the amp, because I think the amp would be able to hype it up and give me the full blast. But even without the amp, just the quality of the music is just next level. So now that you've mentioned that, I have to actually go look at it and see what I can add to it to enhance it. Wow. I haven't tasted a more tasteless fruit than dragon fruit. Oh, it's on full blast. full blast i'm enjoying the music like music has come alive it's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing i wish i could give other people the feeling i'm having right now because it is the most beautiful feeling Just...

10:29:14 I'm missing Japan so much right now. If anyone has pictures of Sakura, would love to see it in this thread. Please do post. Hi, here's a photo. It's of my friend, Harry Lee, and it's an immersive tea and a moonlit walk by the Philosophers Path. Hope you like it. There's interestingly a spike in Nostra users for the first time in a long time. Looks like it's right before 420, maybe the Havani. Interesting. BlueSky was referring to these things when they have a spike. I don't recall the name, some kind of an Elon effect. So I wonder whether there's some other explanations for this, because that would just explain the people who are Bitcoin maxis. But maybe a lot of them have also left for a while and then they come back for the celebration. Maybe a dumb question, but I only joined yesterday. But is the main feed posting to your own followers or is it something else?

10:30:10 Yeah, the people who follow you will see you if you're posting to the main feed. If you're going to the topics, those who are following the topics can see them. And you will see in your main feed the people you follow, but also if they reply to some people, you will see them as well. Main feed threading. The effect of Naval's fast replies and new content dropping on your feed so fast that you just see the new posts and you cannot move on in the feed. The struggle is real. You can always mute if it becomes too much. But it's the creation which makes this app so great. You will discover new people. It's not about the structure. It's not about the tools. At the end of the day, it's about the people. If you find the right people who are clicking with you, you're going to have fun no matter what's the medium. You can have fun with the voice. You can have fun with your Twitter. It's all about people. It's about connection and discovering and having fun.

10:31:05 having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match. much more personal and all their recommendations been so worth it so good um so yeah i love this app wow sips congrats amazing now you're gonna have a brilliant voice in your head you just need to dig out the old 90s cds which have the best production value and sound cds petri i have so many photo albums full of CDs and no great player. I do have an emergency tape deck and CD player for the old stuff, but it doesn't sound good. It's not like the old stereo sound.

10:32:13 Well, you can do what Sips does. Just plug in an amazing headset and ADs and amp for the headset and you're good to go, so you don't have to invest on loudspeakers. I digitized my CDs, well, copied them many years back, so I don't need to find them from my archives anymore, but the sound is amazing, but it really depends on the CD. But yeah, they certainly had a completely different level of production today. I got cut off there. Maybe it's a sign that I went on too long, so I'll save the rest for any further conversation if there is any. But very interesting about Hypatia, and I will start to research her more, and if there's any other esoteric or obscure figures in history please send it my way maybe we should start a channel of that that's a good idea we should start a channel of interesting historical figures that aren't that well known there's another one it's Hildegard of Bingen I'm not sure if I pronounced her name right I'll link it but she was like a mystic polymath in the middle ages and I discovered her through this book that I read called the rabbit hutch which is an interesting book um the author Tess Gunty she won a big prize for it um and that author in herself is really interesting because I think she's the one who got me down this like many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics rabbit hole because she was interviewed about what she was interested in and she spoke about that being something that really fascinated her and that's how I got into it but yeah I'll link I'll link it to Hildegard.

10:33:35 Wow Sips congrats amazing now you're gonna have a brilliant voice in your head you just need to dig out the old 90s CDs which have the best production value and sound. brother petri let me tell you man this stuff is super amazing like i'm digging out all the old songs that i've listened to before i'm like this is how natural mystic is supposed to sound it's like no man i am never ever ever in my life compromising on music quality forget about it this stuff is legit the bass the guitar the drums everything is coming through perfectly clear it's It's like when you were blind and suddenly you can see, when you were deaf and suddenly you can hear. This is what this feels like. It's insane. Does anyone else have issues with their AirPods? I've got the new AirPods Pro 2 series and the voice quality is just terrible whenever there's any background points. I've tried everything, like resetting the firmware, reconnecting and whatnot, you know, all the AirPods settings and configuration parameters, nothing helps. Yes.

10:34:41 Yeah, I don't think iOS allows you to split audio devices. You need an app to do that, or it needs to be in a single thing, or you have to manually with the hardware, like the plug and then the adapter to split the audio, but certainly. But I think there are also other options than if you want to do just in a regular office settings, but certainly, yeah. Usually what the Lavalier mics might have still is if you have a place which has a lot of background noise or they have echoes, reverbs, they might also pick some of those. You have to get the lavalier pretty close to your audio source, so to speak, for them to sound good. Man, I'm so happy. I'm so excited. And I'm so grateful. Look what showed up today. Beautiful.

10:35:28 Wow. Sips. Congrats. Amazing. Now you're going to have a brilliant voice in your head. You just need to dig out the old 90 CDs, which have the best production value and sound. Man, I'm so happy. I'm so excited. And I'm so grateful. Look what showed up today. Beautiful. Voice bots, they are here. That's how the stars are made in TikTok and any other new social media. It's the people who are discovering, the people who are doing the craziest thing, unimaginable thing which becomes the thing and that's still out there and we have a tradition of doing stuff on voice probably have to go a little bit deeper and think what actually the people who discovered radio were doing they were doing crazy amazing things with radio with the voice and sound effects and whatnot so there's all that stuff which is just waiting for you to be discovering it and maybe being a little bit bored and out of your mind and just going for it without thinking too much of the results or whether this sounds silly or whether somebody is listening to it or there's any purpose of it. Just do it. Have fun. Explore. Go crazy. Well if you watched the clip I put about the UK guy who was doing the voices, he was driving the metro and then the TV executive picked him up and that's how he got his voice. So he was actually doing those announcements.

10:36:48 Explain paradox in a picture. Did I do the yapping properly? We were talking about the trippy movies with Unity and David Lins came up. Would be so cool to have him here. Does anybody know him? So we could pull him here and let him do his Friday things and obviously all the other interesting things he's doing. Try to explain your parents what you're doing. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who is listening to my things. If I have something to say, I say it and that's the thing. And if it will resonate with some people, they will reply and that's the conversation and it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline i mean the time zone because then you will have new stuff on your feed no dm if you want to know otherwise let's keep it here it it is also related to the context who wants to be part of an early alpha for for you feed reply to this if you're interested and i'll dm you hey come on just bumping this up if it's still available i would like to test i need some variety of new stuff on my feed. But isn't this LinkedIn? The true talents are not looking for new jobs. You have to hunt them. And isn't this the best way to find them, given that they are outspoken? Well, I am also looking for wonderful conversations on air chat. But here's the thought. Even if somebody offers you a job on air chat, that means he has seen the emotional aspect of you. That means, you know, we always talk about emotional intelligence. So I think this is a good way to measure that because on LinkedIn you can definitely see the skill sets, you can see the certifications, you can see the experience, but the emotional sense can only be seen through a chat, I guess. So that would be a wonderful thing and then there is no harm. I mean, it's just a random thought. I'm not promoting it or something.

10:38:33 Yeah, observe, see people long enough and they will reveal themselves. Your chat's gotten quiet, hasn't it? I hear voices. It's not about the structure, it's not about the tools, at the end of the day it's about the people if you find the right people who are clicking with you you're gonna have fun no matter what's the medium you can have fun with the voice you can have fun with your tweeter it's all about people it's about connection and discovering and having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound mats. Wow that's a beautiful picture. Well, 93 when I went there, I was obviously young then. There wasn't too many tourists yet but it was so highly advanced with bullet trains and also with the fast cars and all these fancy things which were still not so common in the West at the time. But I think the biggest thing was that I'm quite tall so I was just sticking out. It was probably not a thing while you were in Tokyo but I was not in Tokyo. I was in elsewhere in Japan and there were not too many foreigns in there and I was actually living in a few families at the time and I was experiencing the life as a part of a Japanese families and that gave me a perspective on things and how they live and it also formed lifelong relationships and that was really fascinating. But I think somebody already mentioned here, these suicide attacks and things that happened afterwards have changed Japan. The security, the feeling of everything is clean and so polite and all those things, they probably are still there. But I think it has an extra magic in the 90s, which probably is not exactly there anymore. So there's more foreign, the more the Western culture has penetrated the more the society and it changes it and it shows. It's not about the structure, it's not about the tools. At the end of the day it's about the people. If you find the right people who are clicking with you, you're

10:40:37 going to have fun no matter what's the medium. You can have fun with the voice, you can have fun with your tweeter. It's all about people, it's about connection and discovering and having fun. And part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff, you can do the funny silly stuff, and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them. But the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match. What's the thing? Yeah, that's good feedback. It's why when people talk about the Twitter community, they're really confusing two things. They're confusing the platform and their community on Twitter. And I think the same thing will apply here. People will have their own community, whether it's in topics or a set of people that they're friends with and they follow. But eventually, they'll wander out into other communities and other feeds whenever they feel like it. What creates more friction for migration to here is that the medium is different.

10:41:28 Not everybody is family and ready to speak. So the voice interface may also introduce the level of change where you have to find the community who is comfortable or find your new friends. So not everybody is coming over. And let's be kind to each other and give people the benefit of the doubt. I think Brian may have been more reflecting on how the nature of usage changes as people become more familiar with things. For example, if you walk into a party and you're horsing around with your friends, that's great, it's really fun. Are you going to spend the entire week 24-7 horsing around? probably not. There was an app called Poster, P-O-A-S-T-E-R, and it was designed for shitposters. And it had quite the shitposter community from Twitter. They all went on there. And I got the feeling it didn't work. And I think the reason it didn't work, or one of the reasons it didn't work, was because shitposting is fun when there are serious people around, right? Because you kind of shitpost around them. In a way, you're making fun of them without directly making fun of them, or you're making light of a serious atmosphere. If the whole atmosphere was jokey, it wouldn't work.

10:42:21 So at some level, you need the serious people around to have fun. And the people who are serious, they need people who are having fun around them so that they can be serious. If you get all serious people, it's boring. It's LinkedIn. If you get all people just having fun, then it wears itself out. It's like that poster app. And I'm not critiquing the poster app. I always give people full credit for making an effort and building something. But it just shows you that you need the opposite. You need the figure needs the ground, the front needs the background, the black needs the white to survive and to stand out. Most of us fun while it lasts. You already started to see the same behavior that's happening here, which was that people started to dox themselves or they wanted They wanted to dox themselves. They wanted to meet in real life because they were having a good time. They were enjoying the humor and the panther with the people. But they wanted to have more. But because the anonymous nature of the app, it didn't really allow it. And it became like a cult in a way that people started to signal that, hey, I was on this app. But it's probably not the best way to monetize and have a big following. So it was more like a community than a real social media app. Yeah, and I guess a bit in the words of Pietri, sorry if I butchered that name at first, or if I still am, I think we just have to commit to making it happen, and hopefully if we do just keep being silly or whatever, or have dumb stuff to talk about, we'll find the other ones.

10:43:34 I think it's just that the tech nerds are currently leading the war and we need to retaliate. We need to stock up on memes and silly stuff and maybe silly strength. And hopefully we'll find our fellow soldiers. That's how the stars are made in TikTok and any other new social media. It's the people who are discovering, the people who are doing the craziest thing, the unimaginable thing which becomes the thing. And that's still out there. And we have a tradition of doing stuff on voice. Probably have to go a little bit deeper and think what actually the people who discovered radio were doing. They were doing crazy amazing things with radio, with the voice and sound effects and whatnot. So there's all that stuff which is just waiting for you to be discovering it. And maybe being a little bit bored and out of your mind and just going for it without thinking too much of the results. Or whether this sounds silly or whether somebody is listening to it or there's any purpose of it.

10:44:22 Just do it. Have fun. Explore. Go crazy. I don't know. Whenever I see the tech bros interacting with each other, I'm like, I'm literally watching a circle jerk happening right now. That's what I'm watching. Like, it's just so not my vibe, which is fine. Like, they can have their space. Like, I won't interrupt them. I won't be butting in there. Like, trust. They can lock the door. I'm not coming near. Like, it's just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll see what happens. Yeah. And I guess a bit in the words of Pietri, I'm sorry if I butchered that name at first, or if I still am. I think we just have to commit to, like, making it happen. hopefully if we two just keep like being silly or whatever or like have dumb stuff to talk about we'll find the other ones i think it's just that that the tech nerds are currently leading the war and we need to retaliate we need to stock up on memes and silly stuff and maybe silly strength and hopefully we'll find our fellow soldiers i often find that the reason i'm deleting a post and then re-recording it is because I am adding too many filler words and pauses. And it would be nice.

10:45:28 I think you're totally right that editing audio, even if there was some UI for clicking words to delete them, it would lead to a perfectionism. But it would be nice to have just an option to quickly remove all the long pauses and the ums and errs from the audio. There's a lot of these audio editing apps like Descripts allow this kind of functionality. I use it all the time when I'm editing video content for YouTube or wherever I'm posting. The easiest thing is that you upgrade your own software. So you start to use less of those words and the benefits are carrying over to your regular life as well. They are software like Descript, I think.com, which does that if you're doing podcasts or any kind of recording. it will take them out but surprisingly it's quite difficult to do it properly because your intonation a lot of things may change and if you just snip cut out stuff it may doesn't it may change the tone or something in the message or in the overall quality of the recording so my recommendation is just become a better speaker and because you consciously now thinking of all those words you can just start to delete them before they come out of your mouth yeah i guess that's very succinctly put um and you do have a fair point that that kind of silly stuff is probably definitely very much for group chats or like best suited for group chats but i guess that makes it a little sad for me or like i wish there was a better answer i don't know i think like I'm sure you felt you all felt this too where like the initial days was definitely something very special and like I guess as someone who's not really been there for the birth of like a like at such like a crew like early stage of uh social media previously it was new and like now I'm already kind of missing it and like I'm sure people have had that with like Vine or like other things so i definitely get it um and i wonder if there's like ever going to be like a true like

10:47:38 ideal solution that's better than a group chat but it's still a group chat and i think it might not be but um yeah i don't know definitely very like hopeful for this app and yeah of course love to share it and yeah let us know if you have any other questions or feedback or like questions or like feedback in the sense of like the direction that you notice or are working towards currently or like questions about what we think or like what we said specifically it's not about the structure it's not about the tools at the end of the day it's about the people if you find the right people who are clicking with you you're gonna have fun no matter what's the medium you can have fun with the voice you can have fun with your tweeter it's all about people it's about connection and discovering and having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match yeah i totally get that but also i sometimes struggle like if i see two people having a great conversation like i rarely I don't want to like join the conversation because it feels weird like um I forgot but like that one day when you and Jason were having that one conversation about buying shit or whatever like it was so funny like props to YouTube because that was holy shit like I was waiting every second like just trying to refresh it like follow it and like look at it but it also felt like because of like how it's structured and like how it's threaded it felt weird for me to come in and like talk or join it so that feels weird to me and like why i sometimes struggle to like talk because i guess i'm also a little shy or like more nervous about that stuff and yeah no i definitely second the stalking part like it's hard or weird like especially because like they're just at times so many threads or like viewing a single conversation is so hard like because the following tab shows you their most recent replies at times and not like the root

10:49:47 thing like i wish it was more like twitter where like you saw the like main conversations they started or like the first response to a new conversation they joined and then once you clicked on it you could like see the different responses or replies so like it's easier to get like their main hits i guess if that makes sense but then with like it being like a worse experience because people are leaving it might also be that maybe they're just not responding because they haven't found people like any interesting conversations but even if that's the case it kind of feels like i guess in naval's analogy like it kind of feels like the party is dying because people are leaving so like then you also get assigned to leave and yeah right thing about this version of the app because there's been previous ones is that you can reply to any cheat and it doesn't interrupt the flow if there are two people talking they keep on talking and they probably will not reply to and respond to your cheat at the time or maybe they do when you can and join the conversation, but there's no awkward moment. You should not feel that you have to wait for anything. You can jump in at any time because it's the beginning of a new conversation. It probably just takes a little bit of getting used to, but that's certainly, I think, one of the great things.

10:50:56 So any reply into any conversation is a fork and a beginning of a new one. And the original context may already be lost and it goes to a completely different direction. I think that's one of the strengths here. So it can be starting with something really superficial and then we are in a philosophical question. So it goes completely other direction. And that's like any other regular conversation in real life. You just keep on doing different things and even having multiple conversations within the same discussion. The best people to follow on AirChat for a sentiment check are definitely Kenzie, Anderson, Dar, Deepak, me, and a few other people that I follow that I think are really great. Lily, definitely Lily. I think we're all very interested in genuinely using AirChat to connect with people, and especially Kenzie. Kenzie has been thoroughly testing AirChat and its transcription capabilities. And Lily has been providing a lot of great content because I see on my timeline that she is constantly connecting with people and really loves what she does. And so those are the top accounts that I recommend following for a sentiment check on AirChat.

10:52:04 Probably the OG tester and hacker on this platform outside of the core team is Tom. The lengths he has gone to do unimaginary things, well, in a good way, and trolling and all those possible things and surprising things over the months and probably already years. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who is listening to my things. If I have something to say, I say it, and that's the thing. If it will resonate with some people, they will reply and that's the conversation. And it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline, I mean the time zone, because then you will have new stuff on your feed. Yeah, that's fine. I'm cool with talking without any sort of engagement metric on it or traditional engagement metric on it. But I do think there needs to be some work done around discoverability just because I would like to, if I'm starting a conversation, I would like people to be able to easily join in that conversation regardless of whether or not they follow me or not.

10:53:01 and same goes, I would like to be seeing more on my feet that I could jump into that isn't necessarily just the small group of people that I follow. It comes to the choice and rights of you as a content creator versus the people who are consuming. If you want to get more exposure, which is the traditional legacy view of social media, Then you post into topics and reply to those, probably to those most followed persons, and hope that they will like or reply to get it pumped up. That's the way to get engagement in this platform. But for you to discover new stuff, you have to do a little bit of legwork. Nevertheless, the ALCOs are getting better here, and hopefully you can choose whether you want to use them. So for you, suggesting things and recommendations, these are coming. Partly yes, and that's typically when you're talking with somebody, but somebody needs to start it. Social media has made it easier. You create content. If you're creating YouTube videos, you're talking to yourself and putting it out there. People are calling other people and suggesting and initiating things. There's that as well.

10:54:11 But I certainly hear what you're saying. But in that particular case, then you can reply to conversations which are already existing. So you can even search and find all the ones. There are records going back months of good stuff, which is just buried there. They're really deep conversations. But because you just have to go a little bit deeper to find them, a lot of people are not finding them. I think the problem with creating content, so to speak, on this platform is that if it's meant for conversations back and forth, and it's not just a platform for influencers or people to, you know, make content and kind of draw engagement from it, then it doesn't really, you're not really going to have a content creator stay here, right? This escalates quickly to existential questions and your inner motivations and drivers, doesn't it? Sometimes you win, sometimes the AI wins.

10:55:04 The latest episode is dropping on Friday with Steema Wolfram. It's very fascinating because he talks about how the nature of our reality will change. Well, it's already changing. It's always been like that. But we think that when we're building machines, we know how they work, how they operate and what to expect out of them. But then he pulls out the example of a donkey. Well, we don't know how a donkey operates. We don't know how to build donkeys. And yet we are working with them. And most of the time they do what we like them to do. In a similar way, do we really need to understand how the AI LLMs are working or can we just use them? And when they become more sophisticated, it becomes like a donkey. It may kick you in the head. In a similar way, we have to start to communicate our intentions. And yeah, it's a really fascinating talk. I can link it here. Well, this backfired. Sometimes you win, sometimes the AI wins.

10:55:53 One thing I've learned building this app that may be useful to those of you who are doing your own product design and development is when to listen to users and when not to. And obviously, there are many different approaches you can take here. But one distinction I found to be useful is always listen to the user's problems and their feelings. So if they say, for example, I don't know how to find people, or I don't know what I should be doing, or I couldn't figure out what to do next, or the UI was confusing, you absolutely have to take that feedback into account. But when they start offering you specific solutions, that's when you have to exercise your own judgment. So if they say, I wish there was a button to do this, or you should implement this AI algorithm or summarization over here or there, that's when you have to exercise your own judgment. Because they don't understand all the different trade-offs you're making to keep the app coherent. So I listen for user problems, but not necessarily to the user solutions. For historical reasons which have already been explained here, it's from chit-chat, or chat, or it can be called also posting at some settings, which is a more normal way of saying things. But there are also some other new words we could use, at least describing the person, like voice in.

10:56:52 Or we could call chatters. Yapping is one way to call it, but it's probably one particular type of posting. But we really need something which is specific for the voice. Maybe it's sounding vocaling. Do you think yapping or yap has been pigeonholed into the shitposting of, yeah, sorry, air chat? I never thought it was anything else. Yeah, my screen time has definitely gone down too because it's just like, oh, if the people I like aren't posting on here, then I'm not going to be on here either. I feel like because I feel like I'm not finding like new people really on my feet or you know so if the people I follow aren't here then I don't have a reason to be either I don't know. The way I look at it Hannah is most times you're here to open yourself to new thinking and new perspectives so the people whom you follow if they're not there then go ahead have a conversation with people who you don't follow and every conversation is going to bring a new aspect to your life that also means that there is a lot of new information that goes into your life. And there are, until at least for me, I have noticed, I tend to create notes out of my conversations coming from air chat, because a lot of times, a lot of my concepts, depending on which phase of my life I am, and what kind of emotional upheaval I'm in, they kind of get mellowed down because of the logical down-earth way of thinking about life here. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who who's listening to my things, if anybody, if I have something to say, I say it.

10:58:22 And that's the thing. And if it will resonate with some people, they will reply. And that's the conversation. And it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline. I'm in the time zone, because then you will have new stuff on your feed. Yeah, you're right. I think I just need to commit myself enough and just been busy outside of this. So just haven't had the time. But I think once I get bored enough or like I'm free enough, I can and will actually commit. Yeah, my screen time has definitely gone down too because it's just like, oh, if the people I like aren't posting on here, then I'm not going to be on here either. I feel like because I feel like I'm not finding like new people really on my feet or, you know. So if the people I follow aren't here, then I don't have a reason to be either. I don't know. Well, then you want to follow these people.

10:59:11 There are a lot of these, you can see the emoji usernames and their memes channel, and there's totally a lot of that going on. I think there's even more than anything else, but you just have to find them. To speak or not to speak is not the question. It's whether you have something to say or you're creating content for others. Exactly. I mean, first of all, this editing problem is really difficult to solve. And even if it gets solved, then I personally don't want to use this feature because I want to sound natural. I mean, even the best speakers of the world can't speak perfect language at the first take, right? So it should be pretty common to talk like that. And it's fine. I mean, why do we need to use the editing feature? First we'll record, then we'll edit. Then there will be some people who will sound perfect, and other ones who doesn't edit will not sound that perfect. I think it should be natural.

10:59:58 The reality is the USP of this app, and it should not be compromised at any cost. We are fine the way we are, and we should be natural and real. The editing is there, but you just do it in your head. Oh, this is so nice. I really love your reply. AirChat and TikTok have something in common. In TikTok, you are logging the content. And on AirChat, you are listening to the message. And you may not go to the profile of the person. See, it's emphasize instead of emphasis in the above audio, and I'm completely okay with that. I made a mistake. I've noticed that in my chits, they are usually first takes, and if I make some kind of a mistake, I just keep on talking and correct it within the chit. I don't do another chit, unless there's something more fundamental which will disrupt the message or some other way distort what I'm saying. Twitter is obnoxiously aggressive about always returning you to the for you feed, and I consider that a bug more than a feature, so I'm not sure we want to do that just yet.

11:00:59 In any case, we are changing how channels will be presented in the interface, so this whole user interface paradigm will no longer apply. another annoying thing was that when you're recording a chit and somebody dms you if you're in the dm mode or even here if you reply to me it will interrupt it will come to the feed to the view and give us all the noise the voice while i'm recording and i don't remember it was not maybe interrupting you know really forcefully kicking out the recording of the chit but it was really annoying in of all i've really enjoyed air chat so far i find it very valuable to use a social media platform that allows you to listen to the voice of somebody trying to transmit a message. From my point of view, by being able to hear the voice of someone, it allows you to more accurately interpret what message they're trying to transmit. Additionally, for the past couple months, I've been using the protocol NOSTER, which stands for Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted Through Relay. And I found that protocol to be pretty unique and useful because it allows every user to take ownership of their profile, the notes they publish, the followers they have, and then the people they follow, and transport all that information between different platforms based on the Nostr protocol. I was curious if you have any thoughts on Nostr. And then additionally, I wanted to ask if you're in the works or planning on including any crypto capabilities into AirChat.

11:02:18 Thanks. Familiar with Nostr, it's cool to have true decentralized social media that's very hard the sensor like Nostra has. And I think in the future, we would look at decentralizing ear chat, but we have to get the product stable first. And there's a lot more to build. And obviously, you have to get a successful first. In terms of using tokens, there are no plans for us to use any tokens. Well, I hope everybody doesn't employ that hack. But I would suggest you go into channels where you can find a lot more people chatting about what their topic you're into. And it might just be an icebreaker, like talking about coffee or walking your dog or something. But at least that way, you can start making a few friends. Unfortunately, our onboarding is difficult. It's a little awkward. It's hard to make friends. But I think it's pretty rewarding once you find a little group of people on here that you resonate with. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think this is the easiest way to talk to strangers that's existed in human history. Oh my gosh, in the mountains. Oh, that sounds so beautiful and also a little scary. Oh, my tummy's turning in the best way. If you ever get the chance, drive Highway 1, especially up by Big Sur, and you're out of time, but there's not many cars on the road. And oh my god, on one side you have mountains, on the other side, you have these steep, steep cliffs just falling into the ocean. And you're just driving in these windy roads all through there. It is pure magic. If you love to drive, this is your mecca.

11:03:29 I don't think we can explicitly exclude marketers from air chat. And it's hard to figure out how you would do that. Because, you know, the line between what is marketing and what is not can be very subtle. All of that said, I think that the design of the app disfavors marketing. So that's one thing that helps. And the second is we may create specific channels where if you want to market your thing and support your customers, great. There's a channel for that and people who are interested in that should go to that channel and otherwise stay out of the main feed. But ultimately it just boils down to product design rather than to rule sets. And you already know this. I'm just saying this for everybody else's benefit. - We have decades of practice with the telemarketers and we can quickly in a second, so in a few words, figure out already if it's a marketing pitch. So this platform might be also repulsive for the pitching approach, which doesn't really work.

11:04:16 Hey, Max, I have a question. Are you saying that Apple is the Bethesda of hardware? Oh, no, just the opposite. Apple is God Emperor of Dune of Hardware. The hardware is best in the world. And yeah, actually, I can go for hours about the stuff you can find inside Apple actual devices, especially on security and cryptography front. That's like insane state of the art achievements. It's like best what humanity have to offer. Can't offer right now in mix of hardware, cryptography security. So, no, their position as hardware leader is absolutely indisputable, but that is any natural or unnatural monopoly that leads to problems which weren't even new in the United States back in the 1930s. So, since they have well-deserved and absolutely monopolistic position in hardware, they are using, and I would say that's still up to courts to decide, but in my personal opinion, they are using increasingly illegally that well-deserved hardware monopoly to project their power into software monopoly because they are historically pretty weak with software so they kind of they provide operating system and some basic applications but kind of as i said the applications are barely working and we covered only a few of them but i can go on it's like they apple music is absolutely broken uh kind of you can work it with the simplest simplest commands uh so pretty much as soon as you move one step away from operating system their software is garbage and kind of it would be a problem for a real company but because they have that monopoly on hardware they played it exactly as microsoft playbook from 20 years ago and they are abusing the hardware monopoly to keep other developers out of the ecosystem through app stores through illegal app store practices through illegal air for app store payment practices etc etc so basically they're like you know what we can completely control their software stack so you guys will never compete with us and the fact that we write like really shitty really bad software never going to come, never going to hurt us because you know what? We don't have competition. We're keeping competition away from the software stack.

11:06:15 So no, they definitely, I would say they are definitely not Bethesda of hardware and they are far far worse than Bethesda of software. Oh my gosh. I think half of me wants to stay and play with Paige and be with Paige and then the other half wants to be a passenger. No, that's a lie. That's a lie. I want to go in the car. Will you let me in the car? I want to go in the car. I'll stick my nose straight up and say Oh, this is the best day ever Well, here's the question Are you as cool as this passenger? I now have both And I will be comparing How they both perform against each other You sure you're not part of some street gang, Tom? I most certainly am Don't die Yes, you are correct, Jess I think we cannot get any honest answers to this question Mostly because I don't think anyone Can honestly answer this for themselves Wolfram is talking about that in his latest interview It's coming out tomorrow on Friday But you can already see the interview in this link Yeah, so that's really fascinating also That we don't really know anyone else He's also pointing out, Wolfram in the interview That how computers are seeing things completely differently While seeing is a figurative speech here But when you, for example, see almost photons coming at you And the solidity of the reality Looks completely different from your perspective If your time frame and window is completely different the world is a different place. Similarly we are having different world experiences and they don't really communicate easily with other human beings. So we are just almost like walking in the dark and trying to feel our way. But we think we know a lot even though we know very little about ourselves and about others.

11:07:55 Yeah I mean that's what I try to do but it's not verifiable. Also most people lie to themselves more than anyone else. So this past Friday, our sister community, Pirate Wires, had a podcast where they were kind of trashing the network state idea. I was in the live chat defending the honor. They thought it was inherently anti-American. My argument was that, although Apology says, yeah, America last place you would look doesn't mean you wouldn't look there. And there could be some like America first network states, for example. But I think that was lost on, I guess, the Pirate Wires crew. I don't know. What are y'all's thoughts? I'll link the YouTube video, by the way. It's at the end where they get into it. It's kind of funny that they frame network states as un-American, because seceding and starting your own country is the most American thing of all. What certainly doesn't work is what some of the more famous people who came on the release launch, they were like, hey, I want to know who you are and what you do and introduce yourself. And then there was zero engagement and conversations happening.

11:08:48 I thought people were filling the thread with their replies, obviously, because they wanted to properly get some kind of response or attention, validation, but that's not really genuine. I think AirChat actually clearly shows sort of like the negative aspects of becoming famous or having this kind of level of fame as an influencer. Because here I think you'll be overrun with questions that probably you don't want to interact with, and it will be very difficult to get into conversations that you actually enjoy. It can also reveal that some of those who are famous, that they have highly graded and managed appearances. So they're not really spontaneous and maybe there's somebody else handling a lot of the social interaction. And that facade will fail and fall if you start to do it yourself. And in some cases that can be quite career changing. So you've added an H to your name.

11:09:38 You don't think you're enough of a prat already. I can't hear you. Press the button, you donut. I can't hear you. This is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? Yeah, obviously, if you press the button. Oh, Stephen, this is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? You are a fucking star, aren't you? Yes! Okay, so this is important. The client has expressed that he'd really like you to... Oh, fucking hell. You've done it again? Press the button! I can't hear you unless you push the button! Stephen, this is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? I dare you to say that one more time. Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah, well, then keep your finger on the fucking button Okay, Steven, so this is important. The client has expressed they'd really like to stress certain words within the script. Okay! And the words we'd like you to stress are love. Yeah, you think I can't see you laughing in the... I'm inclined to think they're negative, son, because rising in status implies rising above someone else, which means they're decreasing in status. However, there are different games to play, and so a loser of one game may be a winner of another. Okay, I've read through all the responses here, and now I have a stronger opinion on this.

11:10:31 I think the social status games are actually metagames of other ecosystems, and therefore you can't determine the positive or negative sum outcome of the social status game itself because it is actually just part of the ecosystem, and so you have to look at the ecosystem and see if that ecosystem is positive or negative sum. Certainly if there's a Farcaster token that's integrated into the protocol, or a Warpcast token more likely that's integrated into Warpcast, that's going to displace degen pretty quickly. That said, maybe there's a window of opportunity for the degen people to launch their own client, which would be another difficult thing to do. Ultimately, though, the Warpcast client itself is a centralizing force. Just like in blockchains, if you don't have multiple clients, you have a centralizing force. So if they wanted to be truly distributed, they're going to have to have multiple clients. And perhaps a DGEM client can be one of those. There certainly are some parallels to what happened with Twitter. Twitter was a pretty open space with open APIs and many clients.

11:11:21 And then they started to close things down. And also the alternative clients started to become more like a threat. So here's the same thing. And I think it might be the forecasters, VC funding. You need a way to monetize. There needs to be something, and that's probably against a multitude of clients and open and fair competition for users' attention. So I think your intuition of starting to spin off something, and maybe a client, and start to put some molds around it is a good one, because that already happens with the Warpcast. There were many clients, and there still are many clients, and they've been launched, but the website completely changed, so they're not promoted anymore. Beatrice, by the way, do you want to chime in on the subject of Finland War? Because I suspect you are quite close to the source material and maybe some people's stories than two of us are. To keep it short, I'm not so polite, but just once again, taking from the common sayings and they are not politically correct, even though they may hold truth. So it's a Russian line while he's speaking. This is one of the sayings and there are many of other ones.

11:12:26 So, yeah, there's no good-hearted Russians giving you anything. That's for sure. So studying the Finnish history, I think, is a really good lesson. But nevertheless, studying also the Baltic history is a really good lesson as well, because that's, I think, even more important, that we study Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, because those are considered part of Russia, which is not true. But Finland was somewhat more lucky with the wars. And that was not the case, for example, with Estonia. even though Estonia's per capita GDP before the war was higher than in Finland in the 30s, I think. So there's a lot of history lessons, I think, which we need to learn, relearn and educate ourselves if you're not exactly in the front line, meaning having borders with Russia, because what we see here now in Ukraine is not the exception. It's what they've been doing hundreds of years, probably going back even more.

11:13:19 So in that way, I hope that maybe there needs to be some kind of lessons from Finland thread. Let me think about some people to get here who are willing and knowledgeable to speak about the topic. Main feed threading. The effect of Naval's fast replies and new content dropping on your feed so fast that you just see the new posts and you cannot move on in the feed. Though it's funny that if you're playing guitar or you're playing something where you need both of your hands, you need to push the play button or the record button with your other extremities like with your toes. Team Longcheat fellow warriors acknowledge that definitely was the first hill we were dying on, but I just remind you that the anti-room crusade was just this January. Longcheat was by far not the only crusade.

11:14:14 I can provide a little bit of context behind why there is this incredibly inconvenient record button that you have to hold all the time. Just my personal speculation after playing with AirChat for two years, playing with all versions of AirChat for two years and interacting with the team. So AirChat team has a certain design concept that I call crusades. Crusades is the idea of what should be, in their opinion, correct for the product, no matter what the actual user desires and user's flaws are. It's sort of like force giving users a car to users that only use to a horse, and making a bet that you designed that car exactly as the user did not know he wanted. And so over time, I think I've seen at least five of these Crusades. Every single one of them more or less failed.

11:15:04 But nonetheless, I think that just air chat design philosophy that at some critical junction, we will always try to give you a car. And we're not going to ask you how you want your faster horse. You're just getting full car or don't ride it. So with that philosophy in mind, I suspect that button is residual of one of those crusades. The idea was that if you have to hold your finger on the button, your cheats will be smaller, quicker. They will be more like hot takes instead of deep thoughts. So it will encourage people to record just smaller pieces of content a few seconds long. I have some speculation where that crusade come about, but just like with all other air chat crusades, users just completely ignored it, kind of tried to find their way around it. And yeah, you can literally ignore it and just wait until that crusade ends, because it usually ends the same way that crusaders are nailed to the cross by common sense, but the stronger as a crusader, the longer it takes, as usual.

11:15:59 I already forgot, or maybe I was never part of it, or I was not informed about the anti-Rome crusade. So you were pro-Rooms, or you were against Rooms, or what was the thing here? Was there also anti-Clip movement? As this relates to the DGEN token and the social metagame being played on Farcaster in the DGEN community, I think it's going to be highly dependent on the culture of the DGEN tippers. And so if they can foster a culture of building useful things for people that help themselves problem and make everyone's life better, then it can be positive sum. But if it fosters a culture of building more ponzies that people get rugged on in the future, then it's going to be negative sum. So I guess we'll see how it goes. Even if the first gen tippers and participants know what they're getting into and it's a game and fun for them, the later ones who are imitating and are not sharing the same culture and the knowledge and experience market things differently and this going a few iterations it's easy to see the rock culture and the scams and the negatives kicking in like in any other setting as well i think i have deleted probably at least 10 times more recordings on here than i've actually posted every time i try to post. I either forget what I'm trying to say or how exactly how to say it halfway through and I don't want to post I don't want to waste people's time with incoherent rambling. Other times I just cringe at the sound of my incoherent rambling and I delete it, try again, delete it, try again, sometimes give up, maybe post later. I'm finding that this This app is pretty fun.

11:17:46 It's good for practicing public speaking, getting better at putting words together. There's something kind of awkward about just posting a recording of yourself into the ether, as opposed to being at dinner parties. I was actually walking along the street yesterday recording a little clip for this app, and I just noticed two people looking at me like I was completely unhinged. So it's definitely new. It just feels very... It's a very unique and different way of doing social media. It's asynchronous public voice messages.

11:18:36 and I kind of like it but I kind of find it frustrating as well because it's you you have to know exactly when you're gonna what you're gonna say before you say it and and uh it's yeah you can't like you know you can't make a recording of yourself speaking at any moment of the day like There are a lot of contexts where it's just not appropriate to be talking to your phone. And you can't edit your voice after you've used the wrong word or whatever. But I guess the only way to use this is just to keep verbalising all these rambling thoughts I have. And hopefully over time I will become better at actually speaking more concisely, like Naval seems to have a unique talent for.

11:19:38 Some of the people you see here, they've been practicing more than a year, and probably they have had their podcast or public speaking experience, so everybody's journey is different. So just keep on talking and having fun here. Finish this sentence. I play games mostly for the... Dot, dot, dot. end credits. People of air chat, what do you call the post action that you do on this site? For example, you know, tweet is for Twitter, snap is for Snapchat. Is it just called air chats or chats or airs? What is it? For historical reasons, it's already been explained here. It's from chit chat or chat. Or it can be called also posting at some settings, which is more normal way of saying things, but there are also some other new words we could use, at least describing the person, like voice in, or we could call chatters. Yapping is one way to call it, but it's probably one particular type of posting. But we really need something which is specific for the voice. Maybe sounding vocaling sendee is that the latest from the same set of millennials it's an x and z does anyone have any good theories or resources to learn more about how things spread among society not like viruses or anything biological more like ideologies and slang and trends like that's something that i've just been curious about a lot specifically that one trend that is about like check the checker keyboard between this letter and this letter like where did that start from and then how did it just grow so fast like that it's really interesting and then all those other trends that we've seen i don't know it's just it's crazy how one person starts it and then it becomes so widespread but i'm just curious to learn more about you know how that really works and if anyone has any resources that would be great do dutch talks about memes have you checked them out will do uh thank you i saw david deutsch had posted something today in response to um the argument that we live in a simulation.

11:21:42 I know this isn't directly related to what Stephen proposes, but it does have that computational aspect. And yeah, the paper's interesting. It's from 1999, so I'm going to have a read of that as well. The magical omnipresence of a field. I've tried to record a cheat by pushing the play pause button a few times. That happened, well, this week. It started to happen, but I think I've got rid of that habit now. I do that all the time, and then I wonder why the little thing isn't moving. Mine, ladies and greatest, is that there's a buck which keeps the button down. Except when you lift your finger, it stops, but it doesn't really stop. It stops the mic, but it doesn't stop the function. And then you wonder why things are not really working. That's interesting. I wonder how that would work here, and whether or not the fact that there's voice involved and tone in that voice. I feel like people would have to be much better actors to pull that exact same methodology off here.

11:22:32 But I guess time will tell. Yeah, from those who are introducing themselves. on the other hand in real life it's a little bit more maybe rare to just ask everybody to introduce themselves so i don't know maybe it happens but it's just more artificial in real life if you're not really genuinely interested of the of the people or maybe you just want to get the people around you to talk to each other and you don't really care what you to facilitate what certainly doesn't work is what some of the more famous people who came on the release launch where they were like hey i want to know who you are and what you do and introduce yourself and then there was zero engagement and conversations happening. So people were feeling the threat with their replies, obviously, because they wanted to probably get some kind of response or attention, validation. But that's not really genuine. To be honest, when I think about that kind of interaction, where one person asks a whole bunch of people to all introduce themselves and talk about themselves, think about the last time that happened to you in real life.

11:23:30 Maybe at some kind of conference or group session where everybody does a bunch of intros. I find I rarely connect with people that way. I often forget what they say shortly after because the next person's going and I'm focused on them. If there's more than three or four people involved, it's just impossible to keep track of. The connecting only really happens when you go deeper from the initial introduction. It is an artificial setting. And like you said, it doesn't really work. The natural way is that you, and what happens here and what happens in real life, you start talking about something. And then if you find enough common ground, then you start to ask, hey, what's your name? Who you are? What do you do? Because you become more curious and maybe you want to continue the relationship after the encounter. And this is exactly what you can do here as well. You can just drop in, comment something, and that's it. Or you can keep on talking. And that is pretty much the natural way of doing things. Works for dating, works for meeting in business purposes, and having conversations on AirChat.

11:24:21 Hey, AirChat. This is my friend Tasos Karantakos. He's a Greek independent filmmaker who's embedded himself with the Taliban and has been on the front lines of Ukraine a handful of times. Give him your love and support. Dropping chits. Is that a term here now? Or have you been spending too much time on crypto channels? Drop chit like it's hot. Some chits are better not dropped. Okay, okay. The meme of the day is something that I know we all can relate to. Anyone learn anything new today? I'm curious. Drop it below. I want to learn new things too. So in Japan, you'll notice that there are no trash cans around, yet nonetheless, the city is spotless. And if you go to any food stand, like those in Tsukiji markets, they give you food, they give you cups, they give you skewers, and you're actually supposed to throw, like, eat it there, and then throw them out at that shop. It's very odd for Japanese people to carry the food around, because you can't really dispose of it elsewhere.

11:25:26 there. Like if you go and dispose of them in another vendor, they will literally pick out that food and give it back to you. I think Ben got yelled at because of that. So there's that. That's something I learned. And now I'm very conscientious about the trash. Vocal, local. Suddenly people are starting to ask, hey, where are you? Can we meet? How about offline meeting in real life venues? This seems to be the topic. So people are starting to make connections and they want to meet in real life. Soundmates. Ooh, Petri, is this a subtweet? Subtweet? Chit? Yeah? Chit, chat, sub, chit. Damn it, I keep posting my chits in the wrong channel. It's like the 10th time now. Oh my god. After all it's called cheat posting.