# Airchat '23-24 archives
- URL: https://www.petrikajander.com/airchat-rooms/
- Author: Petri Kajander
- Date: 2024-07-16
- Language: en

Selected chits from the [Airchat](http://air.chat) '23 version export. Some of the segments (chits) may be part of a larger conversation or impartial. Links were not exported, and some visual content may be out of place or missing.  
  
The video title is the name of the room and the subtitles have the room transcribed content ([the full playlist](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjzKDVKCM5eNMTyByk2v1ivfQE8NaSYTi)).

## Airchat '24 version

[Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTurCMQ06Y)

[Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shc6LyKLkpk)

The timeline is partial as some users have deleted their accounts and these replies are without the other side. The feed autoplay shows the posts as they are in reverse chronological order (newest first) and longer threads are not expanded resulting in lost context.

## The recordings, with transcripts

Each room and both parts of the '24 archive on a page of its own: the video, and what was said, searchable.

## Transcript (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTurCMQ06Y)

[0:00] Well, I think we are counting down the clock on this version of AirChat. And I wanted to say thank you to each and every one of you with whom I have connected. It has been a journey unlike any other. I remember when I first came, my invite didn't work. And so I waited months. I sent Kevin an email and it didn't work for months and months. I just kept saying that it was already used and it wasn't. And I thought, well, whatever. Finally, I got it fixed on my birthday the following spring. And I had missed a lot. And I was sad that I had missed so much. But, you know, that turned out to be the golden hour. It really was. There were enough people on the app, enough conversations. And I didn't really know what to say. Well, people were the best scientists, the best creators. Everybody's talking about some deep things. And I remember putting out a picture of my garden.

[0:50] And I was amazed that so many people connected over such simple things. Gardening, coffee, all of those things. What a blessing. It was even more fun. Oh, the food groups, Binge's food groups, all of that. I really love the simplest things leading to deep friendships and conversations on AirChat. I think my favorite thing will be connecting with you in the future. It's not the same without the voice. That's true. But I met so many people who were peripherally in my inbox that I just had never known on a personal level. And being able to meet you, all of you, and share this time and and meet several of you in person has been a blessing. My biggest regret was not jumping on a plane and going to San Francisco. There had been a lot of travel that month. It was a rough month. I should have made the extra effort. Hopefully I'll see even more of you in the future, but thank you for everybody with whom I've connected, even in the slightest measure. Good morning. I hope all is well. I come with an announcement about the future of AirChat. First and foremost, thank you for your participation in this community. It's greatly appreciated. I formed enduring bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet.

[1:57] And for this, I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work. And we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call a lightweight podcast studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube reels and beyond. We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version. Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. Brian and Naval, the team, it was an amazing chapter of my life thanks to you.

[2:52] Fresh air of amazing people around. Unforgettable discussions. The energy you gave. I mean, it was a pure pleasure. Thank you. And I can't wait for a new planet you created. Good morning. I hope all is well. I come with an announcement about the future of AirChat. First and foremost, thank you for your participation in this community. it's greatly appreciated. I formed enduring bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet and for this I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work, and we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call a lightweight podcast studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube Reels, and beyond. We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can, grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version.

[4:09] Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. thank you brian naval and the whole team for the amazing experience and all these chits and chats and fun and all the people i have uh i have the privilege of getting to know during this time here and all the best for the new version as well good morning i hope all is well i come with an announcement about the future of air chat first and foremost thank you for your participation in this community. It's greatly appreciated. I formed Enduring Bonds that I hope will last a lifetime with some of you. That's very hard to do on the consumer internet. And for this, I am incredibly appreciative. So when it comes to AirChat, we've decided to deprecate this version of the app. Now, we're not giving up. We took inventory of what we built and the features that work, the features that didn't work. And we decided to refactor the user experience into what we call Lightweight Podcast Studio, something where people can very quickly create audio and video content with friends that can be shared across Twitter, TikTok, YouTube Reels, and beyond.

[5:13] We really like this new app. We think it's well done. It's simple. And it gets at the core of what AirChat was good at. So you're going to see this app in the next five to seven days. And I highly suggest right now, while you can, grab the contact information of anyone that you're conversing with on AirChat. I'll make sure everyone's linked up because the new version will look very different than the old version. Again, thank you so much and have a wonderful day. I am back and I'm back with a brand new episode of the Rare Earth Podcast and it's been a long wait and finally it's coming out. This one features our very popular, our very well-known, very loved CPWay and this was such a fun conversation. You will get to hear stories of CPWay in a way which you've never heard before and you could also sense all the laughter and the joy in his voice in this conversation. So please enjoy my brand new episode with CPWay on the Rare Earth Podcast. I'm adding the link right here below. Mr. Patriot, I haven't actually had a chance to check it out. I think maybe later tonight I'll check it out or tomorrow. But yeah, it has been very interesting being here and enjoying it. How would an interview in Nostar look like?

[6:24] Okay, guys, super excited to share my brand new episode with the one and only Priyata. I had such a blast in this conversation. You will hear Priyata like never before. And such an interesting conversation. Do give it a listen and share it with everyone. It's been quite a while that I got on air chat. In fact, I've been off all social media. I've been busy building offline. Hence, less of social media. Quick question to the air chatters here. Would anyone have a connect to Brian Chesky, the founder of Airbnb? be. I'd like to connect to him regarding a project or a startup that we're probably building right now. Quick introduction about myself. I am Aditya. I have built one of the fastest social media platforms of India called Chingari, scaled to 180 million users and moved on a while ago and building my next thing. Any kind folks at that chat who's connected to Brian and can connect me to him, that would be great. Thank you. MacWhisper added dictation so it should work in any Mac app, any any place. Yes, there's more video about it. And I think it's included into the free version.

[7:27] I couldn't find Mac Whisper for the phone. So I did a little bit of a search and found an app called otter.ai that people usually use for Zoom calls transcripts. But on the iPhone app, and I'm guessing on the Android app, you can actually just record your voice like we do here. And it's transcripts pretty good. I don't think anything baits AirChat transcripts, but it was better than I thought. And it's on the iPhone. They are whisper-based or transcription apps, free ones, on iPhone, iPad. But the issue is that it doesn't automatically, or I haven't found any, I haven't really investigated it too deeply, but it doesn't do it without switching apps. So you have to go to the app, then you post the recording, then it gives you the text, and then you can copy-paste it. So if that's the duties you want to do, then, for example, here's one. I want this. Are you going to release it?

[8:17] I think it would make a really good iOS keyboard or Android keyboard. You can add it on your phone, and then instead of using the normal keyboard, you just switch over to the voice keyboard. Mac Whisper added dictation, so it should work in any Mac app, any place. Yes, there's more video about it, and I think it's included into the free version. Yo, Minaj and Petri, I listened to this conversation between the two of you. First of all, Petri refuses to give advice at all about anything life-related. But he's very generous with technical advice. I was impressed by that homeassistant.io. I'm going to check that out. And how relaxed you are, Petri, about life and things. That was really impressive.

[9:05] I enjoyed the conversation. And I didn't want to make promises before listening to it. But I listened to it and I was like, interesting, interesting man. Thank you brother, as always you take the time and listen to it. Yeah, your observation is right. Petri refuses to give advice so I really liked this conversation with him and people are, you know, listening to it now and you know, giving me great feedback so it was such a joy to have him on the show. And thank you so much for you listening to it. By the way Sips, you have a beautiful voice. Sure do Sips, it's beautiful. I laughed, I laughed. Thank you. No, Firebird, no, don't tell him. Oh, silly Sips. Firebird is no more. He is Ash. This is Fire Goblin. Have you met my friend, Firebeast?

[9:55] Hi, Sips. Heard you're a nice guy. Whoa, what's going on here? This is Firebird. Oh, shit. He's back. Oh, no. Firebird's back. One thing I'm missing at the moment, it's a place where I can post my stuff. It could be a tag, it could be a room, but in a way that I can define who can speak there. If I just want to put my stuff there and there's been requests from my following that they would like to see my stuff in a collective one place. But now the profile has replies and everything in there and it's getting a little bit too fragmented to just find those certain topics on the original posts without replies to somebody else. So to have a place to put your stuff, or like in the classic version, you could stitch things into different places, and that way you could create your collection of things that could help as well. Yeah, to me, you know, I don't know, I'm just telling everyone, I think.

[10:52] The old version of AirChat has to come back as an aspect of this AirChat. There's no problem with having up and down for one experience, left and right for another experience. It's swiping, we're all good. Bring back all the visual stuff. Let's face it, everyone's looking at their phone. It's not like this walkie-talkie that you're just kind of angling in. You're looking at the phone. You're reading it. All that stuff is fine. You need the DMs back. And frankly, to anyone who hears this, bring back all our content. We had so many great rooms. We had so many great conversations. It's back catalog. It'll give us back. Return the map. Return what you have stolen. And group DMs. These are basic things. And then, yeah. And then let people come in, not with the non-accounts, but just easy accounts. Don't make them set up a whole crazy account. Just like make it super easy, but bop-proof to come from Twitter to here to talk about shit. however you want, and we'll boot the ones that are jerks, and we'll just bring people here. I like the idea of left-right for the depth and up and down for discovery, even though it's the same underlying content, chits only to directions, but if you go left-right, then the main thread is the left-right, and each and every chit can go up and down, and those are then the comments, but this format really drives the conversation, and it was intuitive to follow and listen to the main main thread, the main discussion going. And if you can even limit the amount of people or select the ones who can speak, that would be a great way of creating these almost synchronous talks, which may then be expired in a way that it's locked the main thread. But people can then comment on the each and every chit and the conversation can still keep on going.

[12:23] I'll definitely be jumping in and having a listen to this. I know since I've been on air chat, Petrie is one of the guys that always tries to poke your imagination, to bend and stretch what you're actually thinking, to see if it is actually what you're thinking. So yeah, I'll definitely be having a listen to this. Thanks, Manoj. Thanks so much, Gary. I think I've heard this before. Well, this is a part of the conversation. in the episode. And also it is from AirChat, the screenshot, but it was on a DM. So here's my conversation with Petri on the podcast. We definitely had a blast and hopefully you guys also enjoyed it as much. The link below. Thank you, Manos. It was such a pleasure to talk with you. And we did quite a bit talk about AirChat as well. Here's a teaser for one, but there are many, many more.

[13:17] So here's my conversation with Petri on the podcast. We definitely had a blast and hopefully you guys also enjoy it as much. The link below. So I just had an awesome experience with crypto. For many years I worked in the travel industry and when we transferred money from South Africa to a different country it would take about three days or something using Forex. And I just did a transaction where money was sent from a different country to me and it took 15 minutes in crypto. And within two hours that money was converted from crypto into my local currency and in my bank account. Now that right there, that right there, is what makes me realize that crypto is the future. It's only a matter of time. It's going to become mainstream and I think Binance has done a fantastic job with that here in South Africa. That's what you get from avatars with small working memory and its compute. The audio format narrows down to contributing to even smaller amount of people than within text because, well, they are these mental blocks i don't like my voice or all these things and this makes it even harder before the audio becomes the natural way so i would say that we are still far off people don't like their voice they don't do broadcast they don't talk publicly that much it feels more private or more secure to just text and type and use your voice so this is something which still also hinders the pool of people who are contributing which is usually just one percent or less of the active users I have not seen the example yet, but quick question. Are you saying that we can post our audio message as a link?

[14:52] Or are you saying that we can post our audio message then audio message? I don't know. Or maybe can you explain how do we do that? Thank you. It was a generic comment. There used to be a way to do exports with the video format on a previous air chat. And it seems to be that it's coming again. In the meanwhile, you have to screen capture the audio and then do whatever you like to do with the audio. Maybe add some visuals with some tools, like a headliner or something else, and then you can post it. It's really hard to switch in those kinds of situations. And as everybody knows, but nobody talks about the tech industry is very age-centric. They would rather hire young people and train them up than people later in their careers who want to pivot. Basically, you kind of have to restart on your own. If you want to go into a different field, you have to actually start doing work in that field even before you have a job.

[15:40] And I know that's hard. And the best way to do that is to do it publicly. So you do it on Twitter, you do it on blogs, you know, you do it in a visible way that you can show your work so you can have proof of work. So if you're interested in X but your training's in Y, then you start working on Project X but you start doing it publicly as much as possible and at least build up a public-facing interest and resume in doing it. And I think that is the best bet. This is solid advice. I am a perfect example of this because when COVID hit, I had to leave the industry and I was in trouble and tourism. and everything fell apart. So I had to start from zero with nothing and I've always wanted to do programming so I started from scratch building and building and building and I got to the ad chat and I started talking about some of the stuff that I was working on and opportunities just came up and it was just because I was talking about stuff that I was building so I can... is it Bounce or Test?

[16:36] I lost the term but yeah this is this is solid advice. Hey James, this time might be coming back. In the classic version, there were really magical moments when something happened, the open AI drama, the floating rocks and many, many more stories where you just barely wait to jump in and listen, what's the latest and greatest and a lot of people gathered together. And then there were also these deep threats with a lot of good content, which is evergreens. So yeah, maybe it's good to have some kind of rooms where the action happens at this point and then that room can stay and you can go back, but it's kind of dead. I did the latest room where I posted something of a, and then other people joined and followed. And that managed to go on for some months. And I think that was one way to do it. But just have one big room for everybody to post. Probably it's going to be too crowded. I'm so happy that this interface came back. You know, I was not using AirChat for a few days due to my interviews. But when I came back, the whole interface changed. And I was like, God, what happened? What just happened? And I messaged one of my friends on AirChat to know what actually happened. And, you know, she was like, everything is finished.

[17:38] and now we can't have those conversations those repost and those friends we were connected to and i was like no this can't be true because the essence of hr was was being different right and i'm so happy that it came back so first of all grateful for that secondly i really like the idea of micro podcast you know since their attention span is reducing for all the people i don't know the reason maybe social media or tiktok i don't know but micro podcast can really be a game changer especially if we can enlarge a video icon you know whenever somebody speaks the video icon gets enlarged and that person we can see that person talking and sharing their experience and when the other person talks the same thing happens so this platform can be a wonderful wonderful place for that where we can have really real quality conversations and in interesting way and in a short way so that everybody can listen to that without uh you know thinking about the duration so yeah that's a great thing to do and I really had a very nice time on air chat where we had long long conversations we used to make fun of other platforms I don't want to lose that I mean I'm not interested in making fun particularly but you know there is some connectivity something in the community here which I think I can never find any other at any other place so yeah I'm really grateful for all that and I really wish that this prospers and will definitely come up with something where everybody can talk and feels relatable.

[19:00] I think you're right, Keith, in that it worked better than we thought. It could be better, though, especially with that triple format. I think that would be pretty amazing because then people can kind of decide how they want to talk. Because sometimes you're shy and you want to talk privately. Sometimes you want to talk in public, but only with a certain group of people. Or sometimes you want to talk in public, but to everyone, you know? And those are the three urges, I think, that are probably the most dominant of all the things that we've gone through. So we'll see what happens. But it does work at a small scale right now between all of us. It's been pretty cool, man. And I keep coming back to it by instinct. So I think there's definitely a promise. I'd love to just see it at scale or scaled a little more. You know, it doesn't need a billion users, but I think it could be better.

[19:52] One thing I'm missing at the moment, it's a place where I can post my stuff. It could be a tag, it could be a room, but in a way that I can define who can speak there. If I just want to put my stuff there and there's been a request from my following that they would like to see my stuff in a collective one place. But now the profile has replies and everything in there and it's getting a little bit too fragmented to just find those certain topics on the original posts without replies to somebody else. So to have a place to put your stuff, or like in the classic version, you could stitch things into different places, and that way you could create your collection of things that could help as well. Honestly, that format of horizontal chits was pretty cool for rooms. I wonder what a hybrid would be like.

[20:43] A triple hybrid, where you have the home feeds as threads, the DMs as the chat UI, and then a rooms button with the this ui like all in one app the best of all in one wondering to rule them all thank you i feel like i'm taking crazy pills i've been saying this forever the up down format which needs auto playback what are we even talking about um is amazing for discovery and like quickly going through stuff left right was absolutely the superior way to like run rooms or discussion so yeah it's just better for rooms period and you gotta have group dms and the chat format is fine and bring back the goddamn faces it is all here the up down for discovery left right for depth rooms to build friendships everything else so they can go hang out there and ai art and the fucking faces return the map the thing is most people don't want to talk most of the time they just want to doom scroll and so they come on twitter they come on instagram they come on tiktok they come on facebook and they do doom scroll 99% of the time and then the one percent the time they want to create something, they're already on the network. So off it goes. The problem is in a conversational network, you have to be willing to talk all the time. Other people's conversations are interesting, but not that interesting to listen to. You can't really just doom scroll them. So you only come here when you're ready to talk, which for most people is very, very rarely. And so it's much harder to build critical mass. At least that's what I'm finding so far. I think where this probably heads is there's a small number of speakers and we just have to do a better job of surfacing content and exporting it, the best stuff to kind of create micro podcasts for the outside world. At least that's my current thinking.

[22:15] Here's a link to the discussion we were having over a year ago. There's Colby, Noel Keith and some other people. All together it goes, it's a whole room, so it goes over six hours. But at this particular point, I think it's six minutes, it was 51 seconds, where Noel explains about the broadcasting side of AirChat. App, the content filter. Honestly, that format of horizontal chits was pretty cool for rooms. I wonder what a hybrid would be like. A triple hybrid, where you have the home feeds as threads, the DMs as the chat UI, and then a rooms button with this UI, like all in one app. The best of all in one. Wondering to rule them all. Here's an example how they look like then how it was when you have links and you have the art and obviously the voice over there.

[23:17] Out with the old and with the new. That's what I always say. I'm just kidding. That's not what I always say, but I'm... I'm just happy that the home is back. The home has been demolished, but it has been rebuilt. And I just believe it will be better than before. It's gonna be so beautiful. I think it was Jesus or the Buddha or the Prophet Muhammad or Michael Jordan or Prince or... or Kurt Cobain, who said, the light will always guide you home. And in this case, the light was a bunch of hysterical air chatters who were having notification withdrawals. He has a good proxy that reverting back to the previous person was a good thing. Naval is active again. I don't know how you guys would do it, but one thing that I do think was really cool about the original air chat was the private rooms where you could have like five private speakers and you guys could you know have a whole conversation and then everyone could listen to it later you know um it was it was almost like twitter spaces but async and i think that is really cool but these like public topic channels just become become dead and give you the illusion of inactivity so i think narrowing it down to like you know two feeds or three feeds you know dumb bar feed a discovery feed and a cron feed like that's solid and then if on the side you could i could have like tables or rooms or whatever you want to call it these little private things uh that are public then that would be kind of cool but it it just gets complex ux wise but i would say like looking back at all the the three versions i was in i think those were the uh most important things in the classic version there were really magical moments when something happened, the open AI drama, the floating rocks and many, many more stories where you just get a good way to jump in and listen.

[25:06] What's the latest and greatest and a lot of people gathered together. And then there were also these deep threats with a lot of good content, which is evergreens. So, yeah, maybe it's good to have some kind of rooms where the action happens at this point and then that room can stay and you can go back. But it's kind of dead. I did the latest room where I posted something of a topical and then other people joined and followed. And that managed to go on for some months. And I think that was one way to do it. But just have one big room for everybody to post. Probably it's going to be too crowded. You're very kind, Rick. Thank you. Honestly, I don't understand why people think it's so good. To me, it's all just very obvious. But supposedly people tell me the Farnham Street podcast was better. But to me, it's all just mundane. I'm always talking to myself in my head all the time. And honestly, this is why I kind of co-created AirChat, because I want to have these kinds of conversations all the time with people.

[25:54] Not just, you know, when you go on the Joe Rogan podcast, or when you go on the Lex Friedman podcast or whatever, they ask you the same generic questions they ask everybody. And don't get me wrong, Joe is a fantastic interviewer, the best in the business. But it's not the same kind of thing as a genuine conversation, and that's what I crave. And it's not only about the features. I'm on the sidelines, so I don't know what's really happening. And I know it's always not so obvious, and it's really, really hard to build anything. So that's an observation and two cents, nothing else. But it looked like that the features were not exactly in place. But if the team was already looking for growth, that may have been a contradiction in terms, a proper oxymoron. Because if the features are not in place, you may not get the scaling effect. Because people aren't staying and they're frustrated and it doesn't really serve the purpose it's supposed to be. So before you have locked the core features and people are happy, then you probably can get to the growth part.

[26:45] But if you're trying to do both or too early, this may not work. Oh, and don't forget, it was a social media platform. Now we're having a messenger, and that's a completely different thing. Messengers are for the people you already know, and social media is for public discussions. There's a lot of videos, fun stuff you never expected, and you can have scale effects and maybe a little bit of permanency as well. So that's a different direction we're going now. In the previous version, which came out this year, there was also the issue that you couldn't mute all those topics, discussions you were not interested of from the people you were following. this cladded feed so much that it became almost useless if you could have that mute option or you have to opt in to select and see those things because people have different interests and you may want to follow the person but you may not want to follow some particular topic or all of the topics they are talking about and then if you could have also filtered out for example replies and just see the original posts in your following feed that would have helped also tremendously yeah the product was pretty much already there there was just missing a few features the asynchronous part if you were not in california you have noticed that a lot of the people are not at the same time and there was no way to catch up the last 24 hours or why not the whole time of the people you've been following so you there was no way to just see the following in twitter you could have reused lists maybe make another list and just get everything the people you follow or just the selected few have been doing the previous time you logged in and this feature was i think at least mine, one of the biggest, if not the biggest frustration. You needed to go to the profile of a person to check what they've been doing, and you still missed a lot of content. And this has the other side. If you're posting not in California time, then nobody sees your posts. It's not that they're not good, because if you boost them in California time, you will get replies, you will get likes and all those things. But this is the part which was never really fixed. And yes, there was discovery, there were other issues as well, but this was one of the core issues which was never solved. Just to clarify, this was for Brett Hall's question, and nobody else answered it, so please go and check Brett's profile and if you know the answer to the question, give him an answer. I don't know why he didn't quote my answer to his question, so just to clarify. I spoke with Zip some days ago and we spoke about changing some air chat over time. Also I did a small graph showing the shift from social media towards Messenger and how this affects the purpose of the app. So you may want to check them. I know the internal links are not working at the moment, but hopefully it will be fixed.

[29:11] So there's more than this one chit in the thread, if that comes back. YouTube can show ads on all the content. So whether it's your choice to monetize or not doesn't affect the end users. So they will see ads nevertheless. So whether you want to get a part of the ad revenues or not, I think that's the real issue or the real deal with the monetization. So this has changed some years back. Previously they didn't do that, but now they do that. There's also some hurdle to go over even to get part of the revenue share. And this is obviously something which some of the other platforms are not doing. But yeah, people are getting ads, even in your content, whether you monetize it or not, from your side. Good morning, Megan. I saw this today. And I think it gets a little bit of the sentiment how Edsad is today. We're trying something that looks a lot more like a messenger now. So not a social network where you have an activity feed, but something like iMessage, where you get notified if someone mentions you or someone replies to you.

[30:03] Yeah, it's not very clear, you know, how it's going to get rolled out. But I've heard people talking about it here on Edge yet already. but I'm not sure like how is it going to get rolled out and things like that I've got no idea and I assume that Kyle is the one working on it because he was the one talking about some of these changes that you know people were talking about I'm like okay cool this sounds like it's going to be awesome it's a foster place to form your ideas learn new things learn new angles perspectives discuss RQ and fine-tune and hone your thoughts and ideas and then you could post it to elsewhere, like Twitter. And this was something what you could not do in other places. Like Twitter, you could see the text of the same person, but it's a completely different thing when you hear the discussion, the context and how it maybe came about or what was the full extent of it, like Brett Hall posting something, but then he speaks about it half an hour on the air chat. It's a completely different thing. So you start to understand things in a different way when you hear the person's voice and the discussions and responses. and how they are acting over time in maybe almost synchronous discussions.

[31:14] And that's something which hasn't been in place before. Well, Clubhouse did it somewhat, but this has been the next level thing. But it seems to be that if we're going back to the topics, back to the arguments, the ideas, and less about the persons and the interplay and the dance of discussions, I think this will lose the interest of people and the fascination and the uniqueness of it all. Yeah, Petri, and I agree with you when I hear you. The thing that I've always struggled with when it comes to things like these is having the credibility to have your perspective mean something in a discussion. To say this is what I see and to have people on the other side take it seriously enough to say this is worth considering, even if we do not execute on it exactly. But to hear it and say, hmm, there might be something here.

[32:05] Because I remember when the application was about to open up into the public and I thought to myself, yeah, opening it up for everyone is probably going to be, you know, the most exciting because then you will have this acceleration that looks awesome. But then I thought some things just require a paced growth and I felt like opening it up too quickly might just be too much. It's like if a room has got 12 people and there's a certain culture that is there, introducing four more people over time and letting it scale and fragment slowly is much more sustainable. But then I could be flawed about that. You see, I could be wrong about it. But those are some of the options, like some of the thoughts and opinions I had about it. And it's always hard to create enough... I don't know what the right word is. I would almost say credibility to be able to say, this is what I think and for it to mean something. I don't have that. All I have are my ideas and the thoughts that I have and maybe finding better ways of expressing them. But these were some of the thoughts that I had. And I don't know if they would have made a difference. I don't know if they do make a difference, but I hope that at some point in my life, I'll have built enough credibility for my words to mean something.

[33:34] Something is different about AirChat's energy last few weeks, and I can't figure out what it is. I'm having a hard time to plug back in to the routine of hanging out on AirChat. Not sure why, whenever I check the messages for you feed or the top feed, nothing picks my interest. Nothing triggers me to make me want to reply. So I'm not sure. But anyone has any insight? Anyone feels the same? Or it's just me? So here's my conversation with Keith, a man who's got the most interesting stories, a man who's loved immensely, very much in this community. And it was such a great joy having the conversation with Keith on my latest Red Earth podcast episode. And I've been waiting to release this. It's long-pending, and I hope you guys like it. There are a bunch of people I'm tagging here because there was a mention of you in this conversation. So please enjoy the latest episode of the Red Earth podcast with our special friend, the coolest buddy here in the air chat, Keith.

[34:29] I'm an admirer of Grand Theft Auto. These guys literally spent 10 years building GTA 6 and it still isn't out. And people are still playing GTA 5 constantly. That is patience and dedication, striking like a lightning bolt when you're finally ready. It's beautiful. They capture the masses that way. On the other hand, one of my favorite games called Halo completely ruined themselves by releasing too early. And now they're finally getting better, but everyone hates them now. So I think GTA's got it right. Strike like a lightning bolt when the time comes. Is it the voice? Or is it the whole package? there's this if you haven't seen thanks patrie i would never watch that documentary but i did go back to the link and watch two minutes of it and she had a goal of 100 million and she'd be happy and then she was abused in high school that's all i gathered from it um it's really popular these documentaries where the girls are remembering where they went to school and how they were abused and how they survived and so yeah she's she's personas right so she made a lot of money um but deep down inside she's smart right so um i think a lot of us are that way i mean women maybe. Women are that way. I think women will act however they need to act to make money.

[35:45] It's a special talent, I guess. I mean, men can do it too, of course, but with the patriarchal society that we're in, women can do it better. The only way I could do it, but in the previous version, it doesn't show it as a reply, so I don't know if it really works, but long press the cheat, and then there's the menu option reply, and that should do it, and that's at least how I'm doing it, and it looks like it's doing it. A lot of new slash old features. The one which is a little bit puzzling is that there's no play button or speed button. So I cannot listen to any of the... I don't know whether it's just me or it's a buck in this person. Do you think the polarization of the two political parties led to this? I think that as well, when you have two political parties as affiliation in each branch, whether that be executive, judicial, legislative, media, and now technology, Do you believe that the polarization is essentially categorizing in leading the charge?

[36:43] Political parties just follow the voters. So I think the polarization has happened at the electorate level. The citizens themselves have become more polarized. And I think it's because a very active, loud, intolerant wing of the Democratic Party, the progressive movement, has just ramped up in recent decades. And so, you know, the old joke is that the leftists are people who hate market outcomes and rightists are people who hate leftists. In other words, the writers are just the coalition of everybody else who's like, no, we don't care about your progressive agenda. And I just think that over time, the collectivists have gotten louder and louder, probably because technology has made a wider gap between winners and losers. As technology keeps increasing, the gap between winners and losers keeps increasing. And so the people who lose in the market, whether it's an evolutionary market or a free market, economic market, dating market, what have you, those people sort of gang up and they become very unhappy. And so that group has been becoming louder and louder, kind of going back towards Marxist roots, essentially, identity-based Marxism. and they've just become more intolerant, more extreme.

[37:35] And so I think you're getting out of that a polarization of the electorate because you create a counter-movement on the right, which then is very nationalist. That's the MAGA movement. And now when the electorate itself is polarized, then the political parties are going to reflect the will of the electorate. And so the political parties become polarized. And that's why the Republican Party got taken over by MAGA because it was a reaction to the right having lost the culture war to the left. And the left is now replacing the Joe Bidens of the world and becoming more of an extremely progressive party. Everything social is performative. well she contorted herself and she lived a crazy life not one that i would envy but her literal voice is actually very nice um i don't know why she chose that baby voice the whole time i like her natural voice but yeah that was wild just to see that voice switch boom wow it's funny i really liked that just chatting topic title and general was kind of weird and Now I see just chatting as the new genre. I'm loving it. That was a good choice. It just goes with air chat. It's vibes.

[38:33] When I'm posting to my following, as it says, when I push the recording button, it still goes to just chatting. And I cannot take it away. So it's that the default. So you are not even required to go anywhere if it's just a blank. Without any other topic, it just goes to just chatting. When things don't require much effort, and it's like a tap, you open the water tap, and it starts to pour in. You don't pay too much of attention to the details or the beauty within, and that's in that video. It has some really nice points, and I think they carry across to different parts of our lives, also outside of the music. Coming back to the music. It's live music, the new analog, the real performance with all its errors, its interpretations, its variants, its dynamic creativity, which is taken out of the equation by AI, digital machines with repetition, and the human part of the performance, living, experiencing and feeling what we're doing. So I left a message last night about Argentina, but for some reason it didn't save man on the ground. So it's probably not very clear to those outside Argentina what's going on in Argentina because our media has collapsed in terms of its ability to deliver quality value, particularly in foreign countries in English. It feels like an opportunity there. And so many have heard that Javier Bley is winning, win after win, but they don't know the specifics. And there was recently an only bus law that was passed, and that law made some really important changes in terms of contracting and taxes. Now they're going after the taxes. They've eliminated 90% of the taxes that businesses need to pay. Now, Argentine entrepreneurs are some of the most veteran entrepreneurs in the world because they deal with the systems. It's just totally insane. And that's being dismantled and quite expertly dismantled. Like it's competence, which is a wild thing to see, given whatever that was a couple of nights ago from my home country. But win after win. Javier Malay is doing win after win. And that's important in politics.

[41:01] 2025 is the next big point. He's got another year of extended executive power, and then he has to go back to review it with Congress after that. And so that's an update. So it turns out I'm a bit late to the party, but Brother Neeraj hooked me up with some Daft Punk. I think that's what they're called. And there's a song by, well, it's named Giorgio. And then, I just love what he says here. Listen to this. Once you free your mind about the concept of harmony and music being correct, you can do whatever you want.

[41:54] So nobody told me what to do. And there was no preconception of what to do. Thank you. man what i loved and what i love so much about this song and what he says there is this idea this realization that when you have preconceived ideas of what something is supposed to be or you have some illusions about who you are and what you're capable of and what you're not capable of based on your history based on your past it limits you but you let go of all of that and you see what comes out when you stop thinking about what it's supposed to be like and you rather focus on what it feels like for you and what you would like it to be like, you can create magic.

[43:03] Something beautiful about being naive and going after things. But I think it is possible to do it without being naive. To say to yourself, I'm going to do exactly what it is I want to do, simply because I want to do it. Oh, look how cute. Look how cute. It's me and Sarah and Miss Chris. Look how cute. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my God. And then here's, here's me and Naval. I think Colby munched in. Colby's just munched and he's just like, Colby, what were you eating in that moment? Can you tell us? Cause I have no idea. Talking about spirituality is great. Once you get past the fact that the only thing we're saying can't be said. So this is when Sips, Pratik, Colby and I rolled in and met Stephen right when we arrived at the event on Thursday. Air chat GPT-4-0 just testing a prompt out and for image creation used air chat as the guiding force and here's the results. I think it's pretty cool. Today I saw an aircraft carrier for the first time in my life and it was really up up close. Seems to be a Spanish navy and the strangest thing is that it just docked at a passenger terminal in Tallinn. Not a military facility or a cargo or something like that, just a regular passenger terminal right in the center of Tallinn. Really weird.

[44:36] It's not the first time I saw it in 2022. Here's a picture of it. Maybe it's the depth of the harbour or something. It was super fun yesterday, Firebird this morning drove us to a cafe local here, that was fun and it looked like those you know cafes that you see in the movies, so nice and we had this lady with grey hair you know being so nice and where are you from, where you're going, what are you going to do for the rest of the day with that accent that was so fun and it's a beautiful coffee and you know kind of reflecting all the events that we experienced yesterday, the beautiful people i mean kenzie is wild in person as she is on air chat same energy sarah same thing bretney though no bretney is different in person than she's on air chat on air chat she's got boom boom boom and in person she's very soft introverted i couldn't believe it and um but there's still so much to process because this was a beautiful time i enjoyed it and it's still sinking into my soul so onwards and upwards are there any uh more photos or videos from the event for those of us who couldn't make it.

[45:42] I really want to just live vicariously through you all. Hey, Jeshua. I took a lot of pictures on my film camera, and I took video as well. I'm going to edit those for the next few days, and I'll share a full drone here for everyone on AirChat. Some pictures from our meetup. Some of you may be wondering why AirChat is kind of dead today. Well, the Firebird Festival and the AirChat meetup is on, so there's 80 people here in real life doing real life, I guess, earth chat, ground chat? I'm not sure what to call it. Anyway, festivities resume tomorrow. Meanwhile, those of you who are online can just jump in and say something. Keep it busy. Stedman, welcome. Sweet potato pie ventures. You have to tell me more. That sounds so fun and intriguing. And Firebird, wow. Such a pleasure and honor to be on the list of great people. Yes, the founder of the Venture Studio and then also the founder of the ventures that are being started could have some crossover when it comes to equity.

[46:37] I think when it comes to the future of venture capital, especially in its current state, or even historical data, it might be beneficial to look at new models that build sustainable companies, profitable, sustainable companies. Now, how that coincides with venture capital may change, but I think it is relevant, especially within the current venture capital landscape that we're in today. Hi, guys. I would love your advice on something. I'm going to talk a little bit about my vision, what I'm building right now. And I'm curious how you think I should structure it. I saw Stedman and Petri talking about the Venture Studio model. And Petri mentioned a conversation from the past about that model with Naval and different considerations for fundraising. Pros and cons. But anyways, I'm going to launch Striking Ventures as my own business. umbrella company to essentially create creator-led businesses that foster creativity, collaboration, community, compassion, and a more resilient society through cultivating striking talent, striking products, and striking experiences. Why striking? Well, I read Bruce Lee's book, Striking Thoughts, and it changed my life, and now I am a student of Eric Carr, second generation, Jeet Kune Do instructor.

[48:06] Jeet Kune Do is what Bruce Lee invented. It's a formless form of martial arts. All about self-actualization. And so the way that this would look is Striking Ventures underneath it. Greater business one, Firebird, the personal brand. My music. I want to raise money to record all of my best songs that I've been writing over the last several years the way I want to do it. To build my audience and distribution channels to also help the other properties tied to Firebird. Like a product that I've been working on all about social self-improvement, so taking on challenges together to work towards alignment rather than taking them on alone, so making it more of an adventure to improve accountability, and also then the experiences, so social adventures, kind of like what we're doing this week, like that Parsons, and yeah, that's Firebird. I've thought a lot about raising from the community on Firebird. I see Firebird as something that I want everybody who resonates with to feel like is their own. So that's another consideration. Second, creator-led business. Striking Studio, which I'm partnering with my teacher Eric Carr on. And Eric opened up Bruce Lee's original studio that he taught Jee-Kun-Dohan in Chinatown right before the pandemic. And it unfortunately, you know, ended because of all that. So that's why we train in the park now. But It's got a good relationship with Bruce's family and people who have that building.

[49:34] So I want to buy that building. Bring class over there. I think make that connection between striking, which makes a lot of sense. Call it Striking Studio and have that be the first location. I think it'll be great for the content we can generate to scale an online course for Eric and create an awesome brand for striking. Think of the apparel like high fashion, functional fitness, Alexander Wang meets Nike kind of vibes. All the brands in the fight world, in my opinion, are pretty lame. And it's the same. And based off of how the course scales open up other locations that are multidimensional. So not just the training space, but space for people who live this lifestyle to work and connect and collaborate. And an entertainment center where there can be amateur fights and performances all in a ring. And a product that can connect all of those spaces and students to teachers.

[50:29] You know, at Striking Studio, there would be the JKD class, but there would also be other programming. So it would be inclusive. But all under the umbrella of self-actualization, using what works, regardless of style. Third, creator-led business realm. This is something I'm building right now with legendary producer Danger. He did a ton of Justin Timberlake stuff, Sexy Back, My Love. He was like Timberland's Right Hand Man. And made a lot of songs that you shook your butt to over the last 20 years. And we have a product that we've created over a thousand people on the wait list, about four or five hundred in the community active. We haven't really promoted it. But we're launching that product later this summer. We have a lightweight web version as well. And we've thrown experiences to bring the community together. But the whole idea is infrastructure for the next generation of music, cultivating creativity and collaboration through the gamified system that introduces users to challenges every day to keep them creating and sharpening their skill.

[51:22] Why? because music has been optimized to fit the platforms that they're consumed on. So cut intros to get playlisted on Spotify, create a gimmicky thing to go viral on TikTok. So through the optimization of, you know, obtaining virality, we've compromised creative integrity, I think. So creating a new realm where there's a fresh start. There's infrastructure for creative development, for collaborator discovery, and for opportunity. and then experiences as well that bring the best creators together, generate content, foster community, and produce music that changes people's lives and maybe the world. So anyways, guys, the way I was thinking about it was venture studio model, LLC at the top, you know, maybe LLC for more of the artistic endeavors and C-Course for things that are product and would need capital to scale.

[52:15] But I'm also very intrigued by raising from your community and tokenizing the community. So I'd love to hear your feedback now that you have full context on what my vision is, because I haven't done that yet. And a lot of you have, and I would appreciate any insight. And yeah, it's a beautiful morning. There's a lot of ideas, a lot of plans, a lot of different directions. But it might help if you think also from the business model perspective, especially if you are planning to raise funds. Investors might be a little different for the different business models. So thinking in terms of how are you going to monetize? How are you going to bring the revenues? What is the revenue model? And if there are different models also may be appealing to different target groups, those may require different types of thinking, planning and ways of execution. So there might be also different structures in place. But my experience is that structures come after you start to have a business. It's good to plan ahead, but not too far ahead, because then you build a lot of boxes, a lot of things on paper. And after all, it's all about getting people involved and also getting the revenues coming in. I think for me, it's sort of just creating a framework for myself for what I'm already doing and giving anybody who's interested in supporting exposure in everything or something. So the main thing is Fyrebird, which is the original venture, me, and that's sort of what I'm figuring out the business model right now. I think it'll probably end up being hybrid. So, you know, as a musician, there's sharing, you know, revenue generated from the music, the performances, the merchandise, the brand partnerships, the music licensing and then for the product likely subscription i would guess but that's something that i want to figure out with the community um and i think in order to be part of that community then that's sort of kind of the question that i'm exploring here is it subscription is it um tokenized i'm not sure and then for the experiences being uh the benefit for being part of that community and being able to help sort of determine the direction of all of these properties related to fiber and the other collaborative creative ventures are yeah those are the things that are fixed that i enjoy doing so the training the martial arts um i already do that and you know I kind of just want to help Eric grow his class.

[54:19] And I think a way to do that, that also is aligned with, you know, what I'm working on would be to partner on Striking Studio and open up in Bruce Lee's location. And that model would be membership as well. Membership to the space, membership to the online course, and Realm Music, same thing. Membership to the platform and also a B2B model, connecting talent seekers to talent in the network. So Netflix needs music for a show, a record label needs a band to support their artist, that kind of thing. So I think really the thing that I'm exploring here is what is the way to structure what I'm already doing? Because Realm is already a company and, you know, can receive investment. Striking Studio is the idea, but really is ECJKD, what my teacher already does. It's just about sort of partnering with him and bringing that to the next level with the online course and getting the funds to open up a space.

[55:12] Ideally, we would own the building, but I think, you know, we start small. If anything, we can shoot the content in the space and then maybe get the funds to rent the space to then scale the content. And then, yeah, Fyber, which has sort of been an exploration here on AirChat. Right now, it's kind of happening in real time. So I think I'm open to what the model is for that. It's clear for music, and I think it'll be fun for that to be collaborative as well with the community. But as far as product and the community itself, figuring out what that model even is, is something that I think is something I would like to do with those that are interested in being a part of it. I've stopped using most of the other places. They just haven't managed to put up the network effect. People are discarded, and a lot of people haven't posted in any other place. So X, it is.

[56:00] But like you said, for you, sometimes I find it useful. But most of the time, I just stay away from there. It's just lists. And if you can write your lists properly, the experience is decent. But you do it in a sniper way. You go in, you check the lists, and then you go away. And in any circumstances, unless you specifically want to do it, you do not call the for you. And you always check whether the for you is the place where you are because it always tries to put it on. Although I do enjoy interacting with high intellect people and interesting people and new and different people, kind of like when we all connected. That's the reward of social media. And I don't know, definitely the reward is worth some of the nonsense, but when the nonsense on Twitter just gets to be 80-20 and the 80 are the trolls, I'm sure I can go outside in nature. So here's my conversation with Firebird.

[56:50] This is the episode 5 of the Rare Earth podcast, and I had the joy of sitting with Firebird, having him answer questions. And we have heard Firebird in different rooms and chits from a long time on air chat, and he's such a delight to listen to. so multi-talented and I think I really enjoyed the conversation here and it's come out in a way which we have never heard him speak before so please enjoy my conversation here with 5 World on the episode 5 of season 3 of the podcast. Is freedom achieving your goals? Living your definition of success? Overcoming failure? Or is freedom to be free from all of that. The desire to be free by achieving our goals and having success.

[57:40] Freedom is to experience and explore the unknown. First there was nothing, and then there was something, and after a while it becomes the same. The circle closes, comes back to the starting point. So was there something? Was something created? Was there something in the first place? Or was it all at once already there? Nothing. Thing. Nothing. That is gold. Are we the creatures of a black hole? So the main principle is finish first. Set a clear time constraint, one to two days. Edit the whole thing that you have to edit. finish it first. It doesn't have to be good. Just get it finished. And then you can make it good. If you try to make it good while finishing it, it takes 90 times as much effort. Just finish it first instead of finishing it last. Now you have a finished thing and you can spend your time making it better. And each thing you do to make it better will be forced to prioritize the thing that'll make it the most better first, et cetera, et cetera. And it's a lot easier to approach things this way. Again, this principle is called finish first. Now it's very famous in every medium, but especially in film editing to struggle and be frustrated and lost and trying to accomplish things. And then you take a break, you do something else, you come back to it and aha, suddenly it's easy you figured it out. This is how it works. So the real system design is understanding that there are two phases: exploration and production. It comes in waves, peaks, it punches and echoes through times.

[59:05] Wow this is an interesting thread. I am yet to listen to this one but thank you for sharing it. It goes pretty deep. It's a little bit messed up my threading, how I wanted it to go. But if you follow the Unity thread, I'm replying to Unity and the rabbit hole goes pretty deep. Maybe then, When writing something, the more foreign and new the concept is to the audience, the simpler and shorter your explanation should be. There are a few new ideas I'm writing up right now that relate to Noster, and one of them is much more foreign than the other one. One of them is much more far out. Both of them are still quite new though. But I'm realizing that the one that is the most foreign has got to be so simple or else people are going to wince at it before they even have a chance of understanding it. It's going to be like a picture book. But the one that isn't as far out can have a few extra sentences per picture.

[1:00:11] It's almost impossible to oversimplify it enough and if you can bring it home with some kind of metaphors even exaggerated and getting eyebrows from the people who are into known, usually the better. Because like you said, if they are following the concepts, people just don't understand them and they don't want to look stupid. So they don't, they will not ask if they don't understand it. And the end result is that nobody's any wiser. So make it so stupid that it's embarrassing and then do it twice more. Then it's probably in the level that people will get it. The X article feature on X Twitter, X, reminds me so much of LinkedIn posts. It just hit me today. I don't know why I haven't seen or paid any attention to those articles before. I'm sure it's not exactly a brand new feature, but when you click them it looks completely like a LinkedIn post or LinkedIn article. So I don't know what to think of that. AirChat, the voicemailing app. All right, here's Here's a sneak peek of what's coming up next on the Edge Ad Mixtape, sometime next week.

[1:01:34] same time we have to acknowledge that these are selling out so and a title the title has a huge role to play in this because it's a trend in the market giving a specific number 12 48 94 i don't know come up with any random number 17 19 do people want a fixed number of laws that they can abide by are they looking for some sort of confirmation people often prefer quick fixes to their problems they don't want to put efforts they don't introspect they don't want to sit with themselves and figure what exactly is happening. So making clickbait titles with simple, in this case numbered solutions is highly effective to sell out. And as the saying goes, why take the stairs when there's an elevator? So yeah, this approach probably taps into the desire for easy answers, rather than the effort of deep reflection that they should instead do. R1 and the fact it's actually using chat GPT. Did anyone else see the CoffeeZilla video? It was quite insightful.

[1:02:38] Here's some discussions we were having about it when it came out. I would attach a link but I don't seem to be able to post links anymore so here is a picture of the thumbnail. You can find it on your platform of choice but the music video is on YouTube. I love the banning echoes. You may need to have a proper headset to hear them but it's a nice touch. Hi everybody, I'm a new user. Hey Chloe, welcome to the edge chat. Find some topics, join some groups, and most importantly, keep on talking. That's the way to have fun here. Somebody introduced me to this app but it looked cool. Anyway, so I have like something to get on my chest, get off my chest, but I was going for this job interview. I went through it at three different interviews with with three different people so yeah i'm thinking yeah okay i got the job invite me in to do a walk through the premises of where i might work at so like okay cool i'm still thinking i got the job so they so after that like i do a follow-up interview well not follow-up interview a follow-up um email asking about the status of the the process they told me it'll be patients they still in the process of interviewing people so okay cool i apologize for saying like i'm impatient so i wait another week so today i decided to wake up and email them and ask about an update because it's been two weeks since i've seen you and i haven't heard anything from anybody well they emailed me back basically a rejection basically saying oh we decided to go on with somebody else but we appreciate you for having interest in the job and it was a hard tough decision my beef is not that you rejected me is that that it's the fact that you wasn't going at least let me know you have me waiting here trying to just like figure out if i got the job and that but you just wasn't going to let me know at all unless i reached out am i wrong for feeling like that was very unprofessional welcome to air chat and thanks for sharing your experience my impression is that it's pretty common nowadays not to get any kind of a response it tells something about the company their

[1:04:47] processes and you may want to take that into consideration whether you are good fit for with them or not, but certainly the situation is that in some cases they might be overwhelmed by the responses and they are not handling properly. And there are also probably cases where they just forget to do it for those who don't want to hire when they find the one they want to hire. And it's just a little bit short-sighted. So there are a lot of different scenarios why this can happen, but it never feels nice. But just keep on going, keep on trying, and you will eventually find the perfect match. And do let us know when you find it. And there are tons of people here, just pick some topics and jump into conversation. Maybe you can find even your maths here. Just testing. Copy that. Road to Cloud and Clear. Welcome to AirChat. Just talk.

[1:05:38] I got distracted with another train of thought when I came to post here. I was coming to post about AI. I see patterns quite well, and I see systems quite well. and this has evolved and strengthened over the years and I know education the best. So I see problematic patterns, holes, weak places. I also see places where we can really do the work that needs to be done to transform our world. And I just wanted to drop it here that if AI and hacking systems have been set up for criminal purposes, they could be set up to detect and unwind and transform those intentions into something good, peaceful, and loving for this world moving forward.

[1:06:42] Hey there, welcome to AirChat. We have quite a vibrant AI community here. Some of the founders of those startups who are building LMs and software around it are here. And there are, I don't remember, maybe tens of thousands of people already, some of these groups. So check them out and definitely the place to post your thoughts and ideas and jump into discussions. I'm not sure if I'm going to hear you. with people you know who are no longer with you. Do you remove them from your contacts on your phone and other places, or do you keep them there?

[1:07:50] And sometimes it's a little bit creepy to see social media platforms suggesting things from those accounts which are still alive. But yeah, in a way, it's nice to remember people who are already gone and you had good times with them. They are not gone as long as they are with you in your memories. Have you noticed there's something going on with this picture? It's a screen capture of air chat shit. It's not about the pixar, you may have noticed the pixar, but the drum rolls, you can now open the pixars and they become enlarged so you can finally see what's in the tiny pixars. On the question of footwear, I've heard various fitness gurus over the years, including people who are guests on Joe Rogan, laud the importance of barefoot running or, at the very least, wearing those shoes that are not padded and instead have basically no soul whatsoever. Because, they argue, this is how our Paleolithic ancestors would have run.

[1:08:43] Okay. But, there's a big caveat there, isn't there? Lurking beneath things. Our Paleolithic ancestors also ran on surfaces which were not like modern surfaces. They were not roads, they were not tarred, they were not heavy concrete, such as on the sidewalk, and so on. So my question is, does this idea of footwear, and what you should be wearing, barefoot or almost no soles, such as modern joggers happen to have, like my Nike joggers are well and truly padded, does that only apply to if you're running on a natural surface? And therefore, if you're running on a hard surface, such as the sidewalk, as many of us do if we're running around the city, isn't that cancelled out by the soft sole? So what do you do? Do you run on a natural surface with more natural footwear like barefoot? Or do you effectively do the same thing, cushioning the blow to your joints and to your soles by wearing well padded modern running shoes on hard surfaces.

[1:09:38] Anyway, that's my question. I use barefoot shoes for everything, every run I take. Also almost all the walks I take. There are some exceptions like when it's really really cold, you need some insulation. But otherwise, that's how you get prepared for the socks. But it's mainly a technique like I've already been saying, so you don't do heel strikes. So the surface doesn't matter that much. I do not prefer to run on a really hard surfaces but yeah you can do that but the key is that you're using barefoot shoes and the type of footwear for well most of the walking around you do so that's how you get a technique that's how you get good pose that's how you are not getting fractures or any other injuries because of the hard surfaces i'm going to share something really personal but why not so i'm in san francisco this weekend. I'm staying at this place where the last time I was here, it was I think December of 2018. I was staying here for a few weeks. And that was actually where I was going through that breakup that I wrote about in Part 3 of Love Yourself and that experience and the mental work I was doing.

[1:10:43] And then in late 2019, I had a bot surgery, which almost killed me. And I spent the next two years in pretty severe pain. And it was not a fun time, to put it mildly. Pain's a physical pain. And really extreme physical pain is tough. People ask me, do you still do the stuff and love yourself? Yeah, especially then. It kept me afloat because there were times I almost drowned. It kept me afloat and I went deeper in it and deeper into what this whole thing is about. And that got me out of it. And here I am in 2024, back in the same place, but a very, very different man. I have my health. I have my mind. And I feel great. I'm so grateful to be alive. I'm so grateful to be me. I am such in a different place mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, the whole thing. And sitting here, that same view that I had in 2018, it's a different man looking at that view.

[1:11:39] And it's a man who's here and who's living and trying to do the best he can. And just so grateful to be here and so grateful to have this shot at this magical experience of life. most people have not loved anything. Like, love means you just, what they mean when they say love, I mean, I have an attachment to you. I basically put a noose around your neck to my emotional state. And if you do not behave properly, I will, you know, I'll hurt myself emotionally with this attachment to you. And that's kind of like more like a hate thing than is love. That's why love and hate are kind of like bound together. If you can engage in one without the other, you can absolutely love something without having to hate it. You can just, you know, give without demanding reciprocity. The reciprocity is nice, but what most people think is love is not love. If you have children, you kind of understand. But most people can observe to, even though it's that.

[1:12:26] And most people, including me in the past, look at their attachments to their children in a way in which their own current emotional state is tied to the child's current emotional state, which is not appropriate. I, as a father, owe it to my children to be independent of them on these things. That way I, you know, am this ability. Like, it's fine, it's tranquil, and then, you know, net positive, even if they're melting down and all that stuff. But yeah, most society has no idea what is love. They only know what is attachment. Something that approximates hate more than anything else, but they call it love, which is actually quite sad. Not that things should be judged anyway. You, by the lie, of the other person, our situation, or you buy online your mental construct your wishes your hopes your dreams and while you do that you are not seeing what's going on but ah it feels so good it feels so right it feels so strong while you're clinging to these things and when the tide turns and it's gone the illusion breaks maybe for a while, then it's gone forever. You are feeling so down, empty, void, something is not right here. But the dream still keeps on going and you'll still buy it again.

[1:14:00] I understood it to be something sort of entirely different. So I have friends that are like, we just click. Everything is natural. Everything is very like abundant feel. Everything is very spontaneous. We just do things and we have a great time. And then I have other friends where I sort of feel like I have to put in effort and I have to put in, you know, that type of thing. It's not that, you know, it's not useful. You know, you need to have those friends where you help each other solve each other's problems. But it really is amazing to meet, to find these people you just like click with without even, like you just get each other, you know? I feel like a marriage would be of that type, or at least that's my current working theory in terms of personal relationships. And then in terms of business, yeah, I think. I think I understand what you mean when you say avoid empty networking and instead do something interesting or build something interesting or just, yeah.

[1:14:50] That is absolutely how the best friendships work. There are great friendships about nothing. If you are friends because you went to college or you're friends because you are interested in the same kinds of music or you're friends because you like to cook or you're friends because you were in the military. Those are not good reasons to be friends. The good reasons to be friends are just we just like being around each other and we just get along. And it shouldn't be too specific. Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. Are there any fans of handwritten notes over here? I've been noticing that when I want to do some written mindfulness, handwriting seems to be much more relaxing, kind of stimulating than writing on my computer. I haven't really taken handwritten notes seriously yet, but this is introducing its value to me. It's pretty interesting. What do you all think? By the way, did you notice that when the Apple was releasing, was it this week, Monday, these new up-and-coming features, one of them was the handwriting, which it will improve if your handwriting is personalised handwriting, and must be also the option that when you type something, it will convert it into handwriting. That looks pretty cool. So yeah, handwriting might be the one doing a little bit of a comeback, but not in a way that you're actually using the pencil.

[1:16:03] Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. So it is something, but it is nothing for you till you get your answers that will satisfy you, right? First there was nothing, and then there was something and after a while it becomes the same. The circle closes, comes back to the starting point. So was there something? Was something created? Was there something in the first place? Or was it all at once already there? No thing, thing, nothing. Comes in waves, peaks it punches and echoes through times. And if you watch the video, there are so many things in that one. Well, it's in Mississippi 1870, and you see it's a little bit of a Merkley crew together doing things which may not happen at that time. Well, Boichos at least may not be there. And then you also see that there's this one person doing some things with a lot of people. I'm not giving all the spoilers here, but you probably don't see it at your first look because there's so much going on.

[1:17:13] But then you start to see if you look it over and over again, you watch it again, and you see that he's doing consistently something over the clip, the video, the music, and there's a storyline there, which then at the end will reveal what's going on and people wake up. how long likes will be a premium feature. Now you can still like, but they will be public again. And now, because a lot of people been doing a lot of liking, they didn't want to do publicly, this is a treasure to be monetized a little bit later. Would you unlike all the likes you did? Yeah, you. Well, not really you, but somebody. A lot of people, at least, according to Elon Musk's graph, started to like things they didn't want other people to see. So here's your compromise. But if you happen to like something, you don't want anybody else to see. There were even bots. I think even Naval account had one. Not by Naval, but somebody else. Whenever there was a like, there was a tweet. So that's how it's also been publicly made visible everything you do there. As in, this is what it should show if you tap on the middle one.

[1:18:22] I've noticed the image picker, the embedded one, doesn't work anymore. In this latest build, I need to use the other one, the older one, which makes the pop-up model. Then you have the full place to pick your photos. Another thing to report about this posting, I hate it when it offers always the username thing first. And when you want to put a link, it's in the wrong place. And it takes time, and it's sometimes confusing. it just feels off that it's like pushing you, forcing you to tag some usernames when you just want to add a link. It's funny what you say about X. I had the same re-realization recently and I deleted X off my phone. It's just too much news, too much anger, too much hatred, too much vitriol and it just will suck you in. It's designed to suck you in now. I've stopped using most of the other places. They just haven't managed to put up the network effect. People are discarded and a lot people haven't posted in any other place. So X it is. But like you said, for you, sometimes I find it useful, but most of the time I just stay away from there. It's just lists. And if you can read your lists properly, the experience is decent. But you do it in a sniper way. You go in, you check the lists, and then you go away. And in any circumstances, unless you specifically want to do it, you do not call the for you. And you always check whether the for you is the place where you are, because it always tries to put it on. Well, Colby, think about it. On Twitter, I probably would have met you, and we would have bypassed each other, and we would never have known each other. It's purely because of this place that I get to know the awesomeness of Colby, the drive, the intensity, the focus, and the passion. Only because of this place. If we met anywhere else, chances of us meeting and getting to know each other, very slim. It's a unique, unique experience.

[1:20:12] Don't forget the voice of Colby, you know, the philosophical thoughts, the chuckles, the laughs, that's part of it, and you're missing it all on Twitter. Sips, I really appreciate that, man. You know, I don't really often talk about my little sob story or why I try to invoke kindness, but I'll tell you why it's so important to me. You know, in the hacking community and cybersecurity in general, you've got a whole lot of almost like I refer to them like they're like the metal guitar elitist that think that, you know, their type of metal is the best metal and they know it all. And it's a forbidden knowledge that nobody else should ever be allowed to learn, know, or understand. And, you know, when I first came in, it was real, real hard to connect with different people from the hacking community. Now that's since changed. I've met a lot of really awesome people in cybersecurity and no shade on them. But, You know, it's definitely a community that where you've got a whole lot of elitism and a whole lot of people that want to, you know, kind of tuck away and hide their the things that they've learned and knowledge.

[1:21:14] And I absolutely despise that on a cellular level. And so my goal here, again, I want everybody to feel like this stuff is important, like they should at least know a little bit of cybersecurity. Like they don't have to have, again, some CS degree or read a white paper, although I absolutely advocate. I think that's great to learn that. But I want everybody to feel welcome and I want everybody to – it's high time we started getting people interested. And we don't have to act like we know it all. That whole tough guy act doesn't really get too far with me. And I'm here to teach, learn, and I'm really awesome. I'm really glad that there's people like you here, Sips. You're such a kind soul. And all the people here that have said such kind words and been supportive, that's what is so great about this app is we have the ability to have these conversations. And you're not going to have this kind of atmosphere on Twitter, on cybersecurity or tech Twitter or even in so many of the hacking forums.

[1:22:13] It's just people can be real mean to each other. I don't think that's a state secret. But I do think this particular application has given us a chance to talk one-to-one as humans or one-to-many. And it's just such a really great thing. And I'm really glad people like you were here, Sips, and the kind words are always appreciated. But really and truly, you guys have made me the lucky one to just be able to have a place to talk about cybersecurity and what my passion and what I've dedicated my life to. There's not too many channels where I can talk about security. And I understand this is not a topic for everybody, although I would love to make it that way. I'd love to reset that standard in this community that you can come from all walks of life, and you can come in and learn something that will keep you safe, keep you protected. And I'm just very happy for it. I think we're all better off for this application and for this channel. And that's my goal here, and it's not possible without all you guys.

[1:23:04] So thank you, Sips. You know, Garrett, this is the thing. This is the thing. And I wish I could bottle this and give it to every new person that comes in and be like, guys, we have a chance to revolutionize how people engage online and the types of connections you can have online. This is insane. Why would you want some cheap ass multiple, like your thing is viewed by millions of people, but you're connecting to no one and you're constantly scared that they're going to judge you. And then you've got this place here where we have a fantastic opportunity to connect. And it has allowed so many people to collect at deep levels. And you don't want to dedicate some time to actually talk to people you prefer to broadcast. I mean, man, I wish I could just like bottle it and say, feel this. This is something and it needs your support so that you are creating the world you want to live in.

[1:23:55] I want to live in a world like this where you can have people challenge you, where you can have people talk to you about different things. But there's still that down to earth kindness. It's a revolution. I'm hoping to make soldiers out of this place, man. Soldiers of kindness. But yeah, it's a pleasure, brother. It's a pleasure. I love it. Okay, that's very persuasive. I wasn't even familiar with that. That's how kind of removed I've been from all the wife singing. She was. Because I'm kind of a bit anti-iPad, I've not looked at new updates, but that one sounds very tantalizing. I'll have to get myself at the ready before I go and check that out because I am known to be a bit impulsive when it comes to gadgets. And yeah, I've often had all the gear and no idea as well.

[1:24:45] So I'll check it out. Thank you, Naval. I was very skeptic of the iPad Pro. I initially bought it just for reading and casual things. But then I realized that with the keyboard, it is a killer. And I don't look at my MacBook anymore. I don't need it anymore. It does most of the things that I need to do. So I do almost everything I do with iPad. I do have another computer then, but it's a desktop, so iMac for the rest of the things. But for travel, I refuse to take a MacBook, A or Pro, but not anymore. It's just iPad and I do everything with that. So that's another angle if you need to rationalize the price. Yeah, I've tested that out, and that's feasible. But, you know, I've got a device that I can have 100,000 notes on and synced to my desktop.

[1:25:35] And the way I see it, it's my replacement notepad. And, yeah, it's a device that I want, that I find useful, that I value a lot. So it's a good way to avoid getting one, and I think that's the first step. how do I not need this? And I think that's a big mistake people make sometimes, and I certainly don't want anybody to make it. I've got a specific use case, and I have had more than the value of the device out of it already. And both, I say both, my two friends that bought one couldn't live without it, and that's their take on it, because they use it for business, travelling, they're not having to take multiple. You can condense the notes, you can delete them, you can refine them.

[1:26:23] yeah well i'm certainly not trying to sell it and i'm not i'm not an affiliate to remarkable so i'm certainly not trying to justify people buying one i think you should try and find the reasons to not buy one first and then if there's still good reason to buy one buy one and enjoy it it's very expensive but i do like the new ipad pro m4 that with a nanotexture display unfortunately apple only sells a nanotexture display on the one terabyte version up so it gets pricey fast but the nanotexture display is fantastic. It's a matte display, not a glossy, so you can read it in direct sunlight. The texture is improved for writing with the pencil. It does scratch easily, so you got to be a little careful, but the new Apple Pencil Pro is phenomenal. Drawing on that screen is really nice. Writing on it is really nice. With the new calculator, they announced, we can just do math as you write. It's nice. It does handwriting to text very nicely, and reading on it is absolutely fantastic, and it's nice and thin. So I haven't used a remarkable. I'm generally skeptical of these point devices. I just don't want nothing to sync, carry, charge, etc. So I'd like to do everything all in one device, and the iPad Pro Nano Texture does that quite well. I hope they'll make it cheaper and more down market and have it percolate down to the rest of the line eventually. I'm not a handwriting guy, but when I really want to explore and understand something, then I like sketching, and for that I miss whiteboards. But it's kind of strange to have a whiteboard in your house. I guess just do it anyway. But what I'll do is I'll take my Apple Pencil and just sketch on my iPad, and that's the next closest thing I get to. Although the iPad really isn't large enough to give you the same sense of freedom and exploration as a whiteboard.

[1:27:47] How about drawing on windows? It looks so cool in movies and TV series. Well, if they are secrets, maybe not the best place to do it, but hey, then you don't have an ugly whiteboard in your house. Here's some people that I think you would enjoy following, Stephen. Priyatta, Petri, Sips, Naval, Kamal, Bretnie, Sai, Sage, Colby, Priyanka, Alex, Unity, Howdy, Beverly, Bishop, Sarah, Prasik, Shivangi, Parsa, Neeraj, Kenzie, Shell, Juan, Rebecca, Howdy, Money, and yeah, other people. A lot of awesome people. You'll see. Stedman, welcome. Sweet potato pie ventures. You have to tell me more. That sounds so fun and intriguing. And Firebird, wow. Such a pleasure and honor to be on the list of great people. Sweet. I need to check out Martin's project in that case. See what it is all about. In regards to the AGI, regardless we are headed towards the AGI or DOOM situation or not, we need to have a foundation, a logical foundation in place for the AI in general.

[1:28:50] It reminds me of the IJAC Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, which lays out the foundation of how a robot needs to behave and not destroy the humanity in general. I think some things like those, if those logical foundations are in place, regardless of what the outcome is, AGI or not AGI, we may still survive as humanity. actually what asimov's three laws of robotics are all about is that you cannot have simple laws that don't contradict each other so he's always interplaying how law three conflicts with law two conflicts with law one and then later they add law four which is complete garbage which says have to do what's best for all of humanity and that just opens a pandora's box into letting the robots do whatever they want so if you have something that is truly generally intelligent and creative you cannot constrain it because all creativity interconnects everything to each other Well hello besties, time for your a simultaneous sip, a ripper, a dripper, a trip to the beach.

[1:29:51] I'll show you up behind me. Hey, thank you everyone for all the birth services. I figured I'd pop my head in the sun, get my head out of the ocean. Kamal, I'm still doing my love myself. A thousand of them today, and that's like 15 minutes. Yeah, I love you all. I figured I'd pop out of the DMs for a little bit, say hi to the besties, Serby, who taught me grace and to appreciate the little things. Pranku, who taught me to look at life as art and how much is possible and how wonderful the world can be. Sipiwe, for teaching me the grace of consistent love. And I have to tell you, a very Christian manner, which I'm never going to be Christian, but I'm coming around to the unity of it all. Speaking of unity, Unity Eagle, man, I love you and thank you so much for everything. It's absolutely incredible. Avan Wen, I really appreciate it. I'm not going to come back. I'll maybe sing a song every once in a while. I turned 50 today. I flipped a quarter twice, hoping to get to one more corridor for my kids. The guy formerly known as Baguette, I love you. This Lisa Light J girl, I think, is amazing. I've died several times myself, and I love everything about your whole thing, and I am from Boston, Faith and Magada. I'm not Irish, though, although that's a long story. Anyway, I love you, besties. I miss you. I know you're serving each other. Yeah, just, you serve each other. Everyone starts serving each other. Life is absolutely wonderful, and it's a safe place. And, uh, Ooh, Brittany, my face ripper who always tells the truth. Um, you know, you're not that nice if every once in a while you don't actually just rip a little bit of a face off. Right. Um, Brian Norgaard for not losing track of me and, uh, not giving up on me. And I, I love you, man. Um, we'll see about this short term big coin action daily. One of us is right at each other. Um, yeah, all the besties, anyone I'm missing. I'm really, really sorry, but I love you all. Um, yeah, catch you chat, baby. Top of the morning and the rest of the day for me. Like.

[1:31:32] Okay, so the remarkable two, I don't use it personally for reading, but you can use it for reading. You can upload PDFs, and I have a couple of PDFs on there that I use that have got stickman drawings and stuff that I look at and get inspiration from, how to position them sometimes. Doodles, to me, is just basically when I'm starting meetings or something like that, I'll get a pad and I'll kind of, I won't take notes, but I might draw a little picture or just a stickman drawing or something that helps me recall an important aspect of the meeting, or I might just make a series of doodles, a little bit like mind mapping, but I'm not kind of actively trying to map things out like that. I'm just drawing things on paper.

[1:32:19] It's just like an association where I use it. When I reflect back, I can generally talk about the doodle, the picture, and recall the conversation. So it's just a form of reminding me of something. I hope that's a little bit clearer. About abonement, I couldn't understand what you meant by that. It comes standalone. I think it comes with a pen, and you can buy a folder for it. I bought a leather folder for it. Yeah, I mean, any more questions, please feel free. I've never been asked to describe a doodle before, So I'm kind of like, is this the best way to describe it? And, you know, how do I explain it? But, you know, in general, a doodle to me is something where I just, my hand's working and it's putting something together.

[1:33:10] And then, you know, I'll look at it and think, okay, I can turn that into something a little bit better, more refined. And there was another thing you mentioned about conveying information. When I draw something and put it with a post, there's, they're meant to. marry with each other, to be able to be reconciled in a certain way. The picture should offer something to the words and vice versa. That's how I kind of use it. Sometimes I can be more abstract with that, but again, a question can soon bring that out. And yeah, I hope that's useful. And prior to beginning, I love that. I love that. That's where I like to be. I come to think of this now from the LLM perspective and machine learning advances in the last years. There's also the option to just grab any piece of paper you have around you and draw your doodles, then take a picture.

[1:34:03] Probably you will find some way to make it as vector graphics and recognize all the text and pictures and all these things. Maybe Apple does it automatically with Nodes with the new iOS version. I haven't tested, but that could be even the case. So you can get the real paper feel without having a separate device. Yeah, I've tested that out, and that's feasible. But, you know, I've got a device that I can have 100,000 notes on and synced to my desktop. And the way I see it, it's my replacement notepad. And, yeah, it's a device that I want, that I find useful, that I value a lot. So it's a good way to avoid getting one, and I think that's the first step.

[1:34:51] how do I not need this? And I think that's a big mistake people make sometimes, and I certainly don't want anybody to make it. I've got a specific use case, and I have had more than the value of the device out of it already. And both, I say both, my two friends that bought one couldn't live without it, and that's their take on it, because they use it for business, traveling, they're not having to take multiple. You can condense the notes, you can delete them, you can refine them. yeah well I'm certainly not trying to sell it and I'm not I'm not an affiliate to Remarkable so I'm certainly not trying to justify people buying one I think you should try and find the reasons to not buy one first and then if there's still good reason to buy one buy one and enjoy it yes the other the one that we use it's called trusted house sitters and you find house sits in different places, but mostly the US, Canada, Europe, and sometimes other countries here and there. And it's really good. We've had amazing experiences with them, really nice people.

[1:35:56] And it's a nice experience for people who like pets, because it makes you feel like home. And like we sometimes remember our trips associated with the pet we were taking care of. So that makes things easier. Of course, there's pets that are more easy than others. And a lot of places don't take kids. But we have found like really nice people and nice experiences. We've had nice experiences. So there's another one that it's mostly in France called Nomador. Also, that one's good, I think, but I've never used it. But yeah, if you ever want to house it, trusted house hitters, it's a very good option. I know some people have been successfully using it for years, they are practically living around the different places in Europe, from Switzerland to Italy, France, and having amazing houses and places to be, and the people are also really nice, so I think it's just a matter of picking and choosing what you like, and then you can become friends with the owners as well, and it becomes more than just sitting houses, it can be part of your lifestyle. Yes, definitely. We have friends also that do that, basically spend like more than half of the year house-sitting different pets over different, like Europe mostly.

[1:37:15] And also Australia and New Zealand, there are a lot of options there also. And it's, yeah, it becomes like a lifestyle. And some of the sets are pretty long, like a month or three weeks. So then they go to one country and then start moving from one to the other. The places we've done it, it's been in Europe and in the US, and it works pretty well. And we have met really amazing people, amazing hosts. And that's really fun because you can become friends or really get to know a different side of the city because they show it to you or have a dinner together. Or, you know, just little details between the host and the guest. Yeah, I really love it. And for us, it's super fun because it does feel like a responsibility, but pretty much more like a place where you can connect and also connect with the pet and connect with the owners.

[1:38:08] Are these vanity links going to be rolled out for regular users? Because I think that would be a really nice way of sharing some of the chits or threats later on and have maybe a little bit of a permanence or at least audible way of sharing links. Hi, everybody. How's your day going? Saying hi for the first time from New York City. I am going to a piano lesson tonight for the first time in I don't even know how long. I grew up playing the piano but kind of lost touch with it over the past decade. Every once in a while, if I'm near a piano, I'll play, but I'm not committed to a routine of any sort. Whereas when I was a child, it was a daily occurrence. And yeah, I find it's very rewarding to sit down at a piano and just be in flow state and focus for however long you're playing. And I also find that the one piece that I can still play by memory, so much of it is just muscle memory. Like I'm not actively thinking about it.

[1:38:58] And it simultaneously also brings back a lot of childhood memories that I have whenever I play. It's like, who was it? Marcel Proust talking about smelling the Madelins and thinking about that time he had tea with his grandmother. Every time I play the piano, I feel like I'm back in the body of my seven-year-old self. And I can almost smell that wooden scent of the piano practice room that I was in when I was in elementary school. Welcome to Headchat. Wow. I would love to hear some piano play here. Currently, it might be a little bit difficult. You have to probably push the recording button with your nose or toe or some other means of ways. I know it has been done, even playing guitar. But anyways, keep on practicing and welcome to Headchat. Oh my God. Just talk. That's what we do. We do talking. whereas kind of talking all kinds of talking funny talking serious talking deep talking tech talking meme talking just talk did you ever go to an interview and end up with a wife for me it was the day i turned exactly 20 years old it was for a student position which i got and a few months later i kissed the interviewer and now we've been together for 11 years what is your best interview ever. Wow Erwin, what do I entranced to airchat? Welcome. Well that's an interview, it's really hard if it's even possible to beat it so I just wish you enjoy your stay here on airchat.

[1:40:28] It's confusing. I said seance, the correcteur said it was seance. I think Juan says it's seance. So, who knows? Maybe we should get, what do they call them, them elocution teachers on here, to teach us the correct pronunciation. Yesterday I was puzzled with Karma Chameleon by Culture Club, and I heard there was a contradiction. Well, that's one of the words in the lyrics, but it was pronounced or sang as a contradiction. I was like, what's going on here? So for some reason, my air chat has defaulted to one speed. And all of a sudden, I started hearing people speak at one speed and thought, whoa, what's going on? They're talking really slow. And I don't think I've ever used that setting.

[1:41:17] So it was surreal. And I'm going to listen to myself at one speed now. But I recommend anybody that hasn't done it, I don't know whether I'm the only one that does do that or whatever, but anybody that's been used to just doing speed two, try speed one. Listen to people that you normally listen to, that you've got used to, that your brain's got used to tracking at that speed. And then listen to it slow down. Is the name for this thing, or is it called now, air chat effect, when you realize that you're talking really slowly? Because everything you have heard is in 3x or 2x. And intuitively you start to talk also faster, because that's the way you're hearing everything. And it's so funny. I put it in the previous air chat, maybe a year ago, that some of the podcasts I've been listening, They had this jingle on the intratongue going, and I never heard it before. You know, original Monix, and I didn't like it. Because what you described just happened, and I was like, what is this song? This doesn't sound proper. I didn't get the impression that Apple is handing all your data to OpenAI. There are these different layers. First it does its thing, and then if it doesn't think it can give you a proper answer, then it will ask you to use some alternative. LLM first is the OpenAI. And it's your choice whether you want to hand over something. And I think they will sanitize something. But it's just based on the impression what I got from the release presentation.

[1:42:37] Yeah, he is insightful. Maybe everyone agrees. He did post another tweet further down that thread. There was a guy talking about how it was probably algorithmic driven trading, which maybe caused a spike. So yeah, I guess we'll probably never know the ultimate reason. But certainly, if you hold stock, it's good. Do you ever feel like you're running out of time? Lars is playing out of time. Happy birthday, Sips. Mix three of us. Feliz cumpleaños, Juan Pablo. Happy birthday, Beverly. What happens when you don't take selfies and post and check your Insta stories? Maybe most people don't care about this, but I want end-to-end encryption like WhatsApp has and Signal has. Signal has. I want disappearing messages. I think that one's really important, but I guess I'm more of a security freak. I also want much better group messaging, including with people who are on Android, which I guess iMessage just can't do. So I'm not excited. I mean, tap back emojis, big deal.

[1:43:36] Scheduling, big deal. Don't care. Don't really see the hoo-ha. I'm more concerned of the metadata leaks coming from Signal and WhatsApp nowadays, especially WhatsApp and those which are targeted. And Apple is also part of that one. It used to be with iCloud backup, which was not encrypted per default. But if you want an advanced one, I'm too. So that might make it more complex and maybe it's turned on default. But I think that's the hardest thing on encryption. And maybe Simple Access is trying to do something on that one. But I don't know. Is there any third-party messengers who is not leaking any metadata and cannot be identified to anyone? And there's no phone numbers or anything when you sign up. This is one way to see Apple's approach, the smartness of it. But it's been a long time coming with the M-Series processors, also the privacy first approach. So they're just putting things together.

[1:44:30] But also the simulator, starting to run your iPhone on Mac. It's, I think, part of the process where the LLM can take over many, if not all, of the processes at one point and start to operate the third-party apps and also the iOS. more deeply at more core level. Now I think the initial steps is the Amazon's Alexa type of Apple intents. I think the reason probably will go way deeper in the years to come. For example, even though Apple has auctioned off the Google search default in Safari for quite a while, but the default search engine and Google pays for it, they still don't pay market rate because they've got a essential de facto monopoly. No other search engine can even compete. No one else can afford to pay what Google pays and part of that is because the Google product is the best and partially it's the best because most people use it. So there does end up being a virtual circle in technology cycles where the early winner becomes the entrenched winner and I think OpenAI has that opportunity on top of Apple's iOS. Here's a link where they talk about the foundational model and also how you can opt out of the training data. If they would be using OpenAI, I'm not sure they could claim these type of things. Happy birthday, Juan.

[1:45:36] this is one of the most touching short films i've seen probably ever um it features riva tez and her really elderly friend and it's just such a wholesome watch i highly recommend you watch it thank you brett uh i think uh i'm definitely at fault too uh i could have formatted the tweet well or used quotation marks instead of the colon that I used. But yeah, good learning for everybody. While we are, did this crack me up? A further public apology here to my friend Arjun on AirChat. I did it once on Twitter. I'm doing it again here. And I'm leaving all of my tweets up there because I think in this thread, it's useful for people to understand the issues here that are being talked about, in particular what Richard Dawkins is talking about when it comes to the selfish meme idea, not the selfish gene idea, and how it applies to humans, and the distinction here that we make between genes and memes. And moreover, what Popper says, it is impossible to speak in such a way as to not be misunderstood. And how it is, I misunderstood what Arjun was saying. And so I'm leaving it all there for posterity, because I think it's useful. Anyway, I would encourage people here to perhaps have a read of that thread. It's just really interesting how I got wrong what Arjun was saying. I think it's understandable in context. And almost all of the replies also misunderstood what Arjun was saying. This is a problem with Twitter, among other things.

[1:47:10] And we can sort it out right here on air chat because I can make it clear who I'm quoting. And it's obvious in context what Arjun was saying. And it's obvious in context, I think, how I got it wrong. Anyways, I recommend the interesting thread, all of it, for people who We're interested in how misunderstandings can happen and can work. But hey, this is all a game of learning, and it's fun. Good morning. Good morning, Chess. Happy birthday, Juan. One can always trust Petri to put you on blast. But yeah, man, thank you, brother. uh seep away happy birthday to you my cat joined in on singing that there you go he says happy birthday too hope you are having an amazing day an amazing celebration a great day and make it an epic year yeah happy birthday seeps oh my gosh i don't know if um are you on android i feel like mine well not i feel like i just tested it out. So I did the long pause. It doesn't let me remove a URL and it also doesn't let me paste over it because it says there's already a URL. So for me right now, it seems like the only thing I could do would be to delete the post and then remake it. So I don't know. Is yours letting you? I feel like I made sure my app was up to date. I am on iPhone, which I'm pretty sure you are too. So maybe I'm just doing it wrong. If you're able to attach a screenshot of where I can do that, that would be most appreciated. But also I just appreciate you trying to help me out anyway.

[1:48:51] So I appreciate you. Thank you, Patrick. Thank you. There's a tiny bug. So when you put a new link on an existing site which has already in URL once in a while, maybe once in a blue moon, at least once already while testing, it says that there's already a link in there. And what happens, it's there. It's existing. It has updated. But your view doesn't show it. So you have to go away and come back. And then you will see that it's there. But the rest of the people will see that it has changed. So if it says that, hey, there's already a link there or it's updated or whatnot, it works. So that's the way to do it. for nothing and take this for free. Hey Josh, I've been following some of what you're saying and I found it very useful, thoughtful and what I would add here in this in regards to your particular question is in my experience the paradox is to learn fast you have to start slow and that's where the broader understanding can come from and also what you touched on previously about function, think it was something in function or um you know having a how i would kind of interpret it would be an intellectual knowledge versus practical knowledge rather than um into intellectual knowledge being able being turned into something practical practically useful that's effective um and that to me is very important and a lot of people that seem to be able to learn very fast don't get the second part right and be able to convert that into practical knowledge and as a result can talk a good game.

[1:50:25] Just some thoughts. Reminds me of a quote by the late Brian Clough, the ex-Nottingham Forest manager. And he said, we had a good team on paper, but unfortunately the game was played on grass. When I first saw that, I just absolutely loved it. And I think there's so much in that. happy birthday chips Elon is going nuts over this idea that OpenAI is going to get all your data through your iPhone, is that true? it looks like even community notes kind of fact checked him which is funny, but there must be something to it he seems to be all in on this concept this is one way to see Apple's approach, the smartness of it but it's been a long time coming with the MC series processors also the privacy first approach. So they're just putting things together, but also the simulator starting to run your iPhone on Mac. It's, I think, part of the process where the LLM can take over many, if not all of the processes at one point and start to operate the third-party apps and also the iOS more deeply at more core level. Now, I think the initial steps is the Amazon's Alexa type of Apple intents.

[1:51:42] I think the reason probably will go way deeper in the years to come. I absolutely agree. There are far too many shopping places, and there are far too few third places that are truly meant for mingling. I think it's a business model issue, frankly. People don't want to pay a subscription fee, and that also excludes members of the community. Most items can't support frequent shopping or a high enough price point to be worthwhile. And the closest we had to these magical third places were bookstore cafes. And then Amazon and the internet, I'm not blaming Amazon in particular. If it wasn't Amazon, it would have been another store online. But just the internet took out the bookstore model. So books and coffee used to go together in this magical combo. And now we have to replace it with something else. And the question is, what is that something else? Here's a snapshot from yesterday. So you'll see that there are really peculiar shapes and forms in that building. I made something for my wife, which she is going to like. And I think you are going to like too, AirChat, because it will allow her to sing and use her guitar at the same time.

[1:52:34] And this is an AirChat hack. So check out my picture. It's a button holder downer. It's amazing when you're sometimes you're just in awe of your own brother. Can you remember who you were before the world told you who you should be? Three of those you can fix with the dynamic mic. You have to find something else for somebody on the door. Just a quick follow-up question. Do you have any recommendation about dynamic mics that can be used also, which is relatively small, that you can take any place you go? Not that you have to be at home for a busy day. That would be a great option. Here's the quick YouTube video I found. These are just random.

[1:53:22] I haven't tested. I don't know whether these work. I have no idea. They existed 10 minutes ago. So check them out if they are of interest. But test them out first. This was released just 24 hours ago. The great Barry Weiss with Javier Millay. And if you skip to 15 minutes 30, 16 minutes, something like that, if you can't find time to watch the entire thing, then what you'll find is Javier Millay talking about wanting to turn Argentina into one of the great AI hubs of the world. But unlike Europe, which is heavily regulated, unlike China, where we don't know what they're doing, and unlike the United States, which is in a gray area at the moment, he wants to remove all regulations and just allow AI to flourish. So this is exciting. See what he has to say. As I say, skip forward to somewhere around 15 minutes, 15 minutes 30. I've never understood the psychology around celebrating your birthday in an extravagant manner.

[1:54:11] In fact, it always made more sense to me to celebrate your mother on your birthday than yourself. Am I crazy? Yes, I conned myself, caught myself in the con. Yes, I've considered it only after thinking about posting this because now I want to catch my dogs barking or my wife singing or my son playing loud music or the door knocking and continue to test whether it is actually elegant or not. most likely another con. Three of those you can fix with the dynamic mic. You have to find something else for somebody on the door. What would have been nice, Gerrit, is if there were ways that you can, you know, try out different things. Because I think there's different people here.

[1:55:02] There's people who are looking for more of the deep technical stuff. And there's people that are just looking for overall cyber health, but don't necessarily want to, you know, understand everything that goes into it. And so for those, you could recommend tools that are easily accessible. And so I think you can split it between the highly technical and the more accessible content. But whatever you come up with, I'm going to enjoy it. So it's not a big deal. My suggestion would just be, like, I wish that there was a notification, first of all. Like, even if it's just a visual prompt or a visual cue to say that there's been a new thing uploaded in a channel. But to then be able to specify maybe at the beginning that this will be technical or whatever. those would be my suggestions. Variety I think is the key. You can test and see what sticks and even the basics can be something everybody can enjoy because they're also always changing so it's not that you will rule out the more technical and those who are more knowledgeable in the space.

[1:55:57] You can always skip them if you're not. But I think it's for the growth of the channel and for everybody to enjoy and have a low threshold to get started. It's probably nice to have something for everyone. Then over time you will see what will stick. For example, from the basics, I noticed that somebody targeted my Apple ID. There was a phone call and then came that pop-up, which gives you only two options. Allow, don't allow, to reset your trusted device. And some of these are getting pretty sophisticated. And when it happens on the fly, you're somewhere and you have to respond. And if you do the wrong thing, the consequences can be quite bad. And in some of these cases, you need to do something beforehand for that first case game area not to happen. So I think there's a lot of things which are really difficult to keep up if you're not active on the dual space. And I agree with it. I think if you make it easier for more people to engage with it, it's probably better. But I think it should also be nice to add those segments that are just so beautifully technical that we can enjoy that. I consider myself a privacy maximalist. And in all the things that I'm thinking of building, I'm constantly thinking about privacy and having people have only tools. And one of the things that I'm passionate about solving next, as soon as I'm finished with this project that I'm working on currently, is phone calls.

[1:57:10] It should not be that people who just have your phone number can just call you and waste your time. You kind of have to create a filter system that allows your own AI model to do the pre-filtering. And then once people have been pre-filtered, it's allowed to call you, especially people that are not in your contact list. You should be able to create a system that takes care of pre-vetting people for you. and then once they've passed that, then only can they get to call you. And there's so many things that I would like to add there, so I'm looking forward to getting to build that. And then I've got another one that's completely different, but not in cybersecurity. So I'm excited about the future of people owning their own systems and owning their own way of engaging with the world and being able to protect and wall off certain things that they don't want other people to be a part of. And I'm excited, but I think Gerrit is doing a great job here so far. So if I saw that that was the orientation of a company I'd believe in too, People are asking in that thread, why didn't you stick around to help with the safety concerns?

[1:58:09] It's not really being clear about the specific safety concerns. But in that scenario, who'd want to stick around? How can you set up the safety in its core if you don't understand how the thing really works? you can do that after the fact and you can put things after the LLM output and then you can do some checks and things there but then it's some kind of a different level of safety guard rails but is it really something that needs to be done at this point yeah certainly something needs to be done but fundamentally what happens if we accept that we don't understand how it works and the agency is more on the user's end like always with tools how far we can and should go and is there a limit where the innovation is not being allowed because of the safety concerns, which are not concrete and practical and clear enough to do something about it at this stage.

[1:59:04] Yeah, in a world where not many seem to want to dig for the truth and are happy with the illusion of knowledge and then add to that all the silly things around protecting people's feelings, etc. It's a minefield. I just wish that we could have AIs that were learning and we got the output of that learning. We got a chance to test for ourselves. Like you said, have the agency. Assume people have got the agency or offer people the opportunity and put some caveats in place where it's not to be relied on, but it can be a useful compadre. Yeah. I don't know.

[1:59:51] A crisis of cluttered coffee cups. That's coming up today on Kenzie in the Morning. At this point, I should probably share with you that I shot TV news for 11 and a half years. I was not on camera, but I worked with reporters. And so I got 11 and a half years of deliberate practice of coming up with teases. And then as my voice like ended up evolving into the voice that it is now, and I figured out when I could like actually do like the fun ones like that. Yeah, it's just silly fun. So look, Kenzie, I am here to help narrate your life because from what I've heard here on AirChat, yours is a life worth narrating. So it might not be David Attenborough, but gosh darn it, for the Kenzie fans out there, we're going to let them know what is what in the world of Kenzie. It's Leo's birthday. Happy birthday, Leo. The video reminds me of your chat. Oh my gosh.

[2:00:36] Okay. So I think this will get me started. I'm still, I still have some parts of the process left to discover. So I think I'll let you know if I have any questions, but at least this will get me started in the right direction. So, so thank you for, for pointing me and going, Hey, Kenzie, it's that way. And I'll, I'll say, okay. But I'm excited. I'm excited. There's got to be a way. And the most sophisticated one, I guess you've been already trying to do, or maybe you did it already was the shortcut way. probably were following this one or the other one, but that works as well. But I think it's still a little bit too complicated. You don't need that part at all. Because you can just play the audio and do the things without converting just purely for the audio part from the video. You spoke to the universe and things just moved man things just moved. I love you man. I'm coming. I'm coming. It's happening. It's happening. It's I'll be there, man.

[2:01:46] Zbignac, Pietri, Stephen Greenberg. Please, man. Show up, man. Who else? So many of my peeps here, man. I'm coming all the way from South Africa. Priyata, come on, dude. Make it happen. You don't even need a visa. You just get on a flight and you come. Boom. You're there. Make it happen. Who else? Madam Dawn. Come on, sister. Show up. I didn't see you in the list. Show up. I am so looking forward to this, man. Firebird let's make it a beautiful time bring all the peeps together whoever can come good morning love you all oh man when you put it like that it's pretty hard to say no but yeah I'm guilty as charged so I was pushing you to go there so hope you enjoy it and you meet all the cool people and you will talk on your chat a little bit and take pictures so This is my RSVP, I will not most likely be there, but you never know. But it seems to be that it's gonna be a blast to spend a night with mosquitoes and yeah, probably a bit more than one night.

[2:02:54] See you then, that's gonna be cool. If you don't want to do a screen recording, you can always just take the link and play it in some other device. For example, if you have a computer and just put it out loud. Or if you have a more sophisticated way, you can just route the audio. But anyway, just playing it in the background or next to the loudspeaker or whatever the audio source, that could work as well. Oh my gosh, okay, so... So there's no need to have any video recording, which takes more steps. So cool. See, I'm using an app called Downy, and it takes MP4s, and it also can rip audio and video files. So if there's an MP4, it will bounce it down. And then I just take the MP4 file and then I can send it anywhere. There's also this old software, which is still being updated, called Audacity. It works on Windows, Mac and Linux. And you can just drag and drop stuff in there, or you can open MP4s or whatnot, and you can then save them and you can do a lot of things.

[2:03:49] It has also a lot of sound-freezements effects you can do. You can clean up audio, you can take background noises, you can normalize voices, you can combine things. it's well probably there's a little bit of a learning curve in the beginning but it's pretty powerful and you can have plugins as well so that's worth checking out so probably you can do the same thing no you can do the same thing with the audacity you just open it and then you can export it as a mp3 if you like or any other format why don't you just play the audio i mean that the vlc or is it vnc i never remember the name or whichever audio player you can find in windows you can just use it to play or even put it in a browser and it should be playing and you can just ignore the video part. And if you want to do any editing, the same thing, most of the audio editing softwares can take in video even, and they just ignore the video part, and that way you can play the audio if you want to do some fancy stuff. Or you could just play it on your Windows while you're recording the shit, and just start by that. Or you could take the link, and you don't need to do any of that thing, and just start to play it, and push the recording, click the play, and there's your insert for the thing, and then you just do your thing after the playing has been done. And if you're not satisfied, to lift your thumb and do it again. I think the same thing like if we can save a URL as a way to quote tweet then I don't know why we wouldn't be able to copy and paste that URL in the web browser and extract the i/o. That's where I replied in the previous chat. I can link it here so it took the full five to ten seconds to do the thing. Copy the link, paste it in the browser and then start playing.

[2:05:14] If you weren't scared of being nothing, would you be something you're not? Or you would be who you are. I see many ways to monetize and try to get premium subscriptions up, but this is something which is rather deceiving. There's no mention that it will not play at a regular speed. Imagine you're using this app and the sound is a little bit off and it's weird and you think it's due to the boardcaster's production quality or something in their show. No, it's the player who's been just setting it to 0.8 because you haven't paid and it doesn't tell you that. What else is it doing without telling you? Oh, it's funny you mentioned Castro. I used to use Castro as well until it went to an annual subscription model and just started getting really difficult about the features, exactly what you encountered. And the thing is, I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks for a good podcast player.

[2:06:05] I just don't want to be on a monthly subscription, an annual subscription. I think subscriptions for software are pretty annoying. Here's about the future. This is fantastic, Matt. I was just shopping for mechanical pencils today. I'm all over this. Thank you. It's the little things that kind of make life go smoother. I love little stuff like this. It makes a big difference hearing people's voice. I don't think you can hear anyone's voice on this app. Well, I'm the weird chat. I can hear your voice. And yes, it does make a huge difference when you can hear the person. There are a lot of, I wouldn't say incidents, there are a lot of threats, chits, discussions here where you're reading it and you get a completely different, usually wrong understanding what's going on. And then you have to listen to it and then you get it all, they were joking, all, that was not serious. And the impression is completely different when you flatten it down to pure text.

[2:06:56] Yeah, you know, in my experience, and, you know, I'm just kind of off the top of my head. And I would say that text, actually the words that are spoken in a conversation don't account for the, you know, they don't even account for 50% of the meaning. Most of the meaning that someone takes from a conversation is a mix of it's like a multimodal, you know, it's their audio. It's the history that they understand the person that they're, you know, listening to and how they perceive the message coming from that person. And, you know, body language, tone, all of those things. So, yeah, I would argue that words are actually, you know, if you were to count what contributes to conveying the overall meaning, words are just roughly 30%. I mean, I think that's a good number. Then, you know, body language and then, you know, perspective. And maybe you could put other factors in there that would make up to 100% of the meaning. So, you know, it actually, I'm just trying to show that words, you know, they don't actually carry so much towards the meaning, if that makes any sense.

[2:08:11] Midnight walk with Paige. It's a warm summer night. No moon at all. And just a few stars. The strip, Las Vegas Strip, way off in the distance is really bright tonight. And you can see the sphere, which is remarkable when you get to actually see it up close. So Paige and I walk. Fortunately, there's a breeze out. And depending on where you are, it goes cooler or warmer. So we cut through the ravines and get lower where it's cooler. We go up higher where it's warmer. And you feel the breeze just change temperature on your forearms. And we pass houses. And once in a while, there'll be a dog in the house. I'll start barking. And each time that happens, Paige just turns, looks at me. That look, can I kill this one? And I just shake my head. And she looks forward, continues walking. A little while later, another house, another dog barking, looks at me. Can I kill this one? I shake my head. you know having a dog like this this breed it's a serious responsibility and a privilege uh they're so intelligent and so capable of you know whatever you want them to do uh the trainer that i got you know i've had professional trainers for her who helped me um train her and who trained me and how to be the right uh handler for her told me like look you you know dogs malinois are a different thing you have to become malinois owner and that's a whole different skill set and one of the most important things is you have to earn their respect otherwise they will always screw with you because they were too smart, you know, like a kid would too. And to earn the respect of a dog like this and the trust of a dog like this to the point where whatever instinct is, she looks at me, should I? And I said, no. And no matter what her deep primal instinct is saying to her, she just continues on with just that deep trust and respect that, hey, I got this. It's my watch.

[2:09:45] You just enjoy the smells and life is good. The photo over there, Paige looking down over the strip. She doesn't seem to care much for the lights. She prefers looking at the bunnies and just smelling the smells. Beautiful night. Come on, these are so beautiful entries. They are poetry. And the strip, wow, it looks so bright. Can you see any stars in the sky? Thanks, Petri. Could I see stars last night? Just a few. I don't know what it was. There wasn't a moon out at that time, but there was kind of like a slight haze. It was really like a warm summer night, so you You can just only see a few stars, but sometimes you can see a lot more, and when the moon is out, it's just spectacular. Like when the full moon is out. Good morning, coffee. It's a nice day. Good morning. That looks like a lungo morning.

[2:10:36] How do we improve this? Or maybe fill up that espresso so it has as much volume as its friends. Not sure how it's done. It was an open-ended question. I found it on the internet circulating. It's been over many years already. But I think it's somewhat a compromise. And obviously tea lovers and coffee lovers equally can be unhappy about it. It's a good effort. Nothing about that. But if you go a little bit more into the details, you'll notice that it's probably exactly like that. So I just wonder whether it could be a good discussion topic, how to make it more accurate or what's irritating in the picture. Hello, Fernando. Yes, this is the place to talk. I hope this is the most famous and brilliant network for the Brazilians. I remember there was Orkut many years ago and it became so widely popular in Brazil. So maybe AirChat will be that one.

[2:11:23] So, I'm going to be able to get started. Well, it's rather easy to remember Orkut because it has a particular funny connotation in Finnish language, and if you want to find it out, you may want to check it yourself. I will keep this, well, let's put it this way, this is for all the audiences at this point, so you already get an idea. But yes, I've seen quite many Brazilians here already, so I'm looking forward to lively discussions. Good air chat, everyone. Here's your drop of coffee of the day.

[2:12:21] Hey Unity, happy to serve you the digital coffee. whenever you need. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing? I've seen many ways to monetize and try to get premium subscriptions up but this is something which is rather deceiving. There's no mention that it will not play at a regular speed. Imagine you using this app and the sound is a little bit off and it's weird and you think it's due to the podcaster's production quality or something in their show. No, it's the player who's been just setting it to 0.8, because you haven't paid and it doesn't tell you that. What else is it doing without telling you? Speak like "hello, I am in Ottawa" so it would write it. Hello and welcome to AirChat.

[2:13:14] Thank you very much, I was just teaching my friend how to use AirChat, so I wrote it by mistake. What? Would your 12-year-old self be happy with who you are today? No. This is the longest shit I've seen without any paragraphs. And yes, it's worth listening, but I have to admit I haven't done it yet, and I haven't read it. Well, for obvious reasons, maybe there's something you can do to make it more pleasant.

[2:14:08] And, Maxim, you can lift your finger and do another one, and that makes it more easier to other people to reply to particular sections of your shit, and also make it more digestible if you want to do it in pieces. Just an open point, I would be interested to get everybody's opinion. Do you find when listening to the air chats themselves that you read it quicker, and therefore want to increase the speed, or do you listen independently to reading at the same time? What do you guys do? Most of the time I'm reading because it's faster, and the speed is too slow for me. But in some occasions when I feel that transcription is not correct, or the message is more important than I'm doing something else, Then I switch to audio or I know the person and I want to listen to the particular shit or the discussion. But yes, usually it's reading because it's just fast. Oh my god, how I miss Fergie of the Black Eyed Peas. Hello everyone.

[2:15:12] Hello Danny, welcome to AirChat. Yeah, start talking. I want to interact with Brazilians, ok? Let's go guys! there was my own self who was observing how far I would fall or how high I would ascend.

[2:16:19] A battle has now begun. Perhaps it had started even before I knew of its existence. Perhaps I was not conscious. That was beautiful. Thank you for that and welcome to AirChat. There are book groups and there are also a lot of interesting discussions where people are even telling bedtime stories. So I'm sure you will find a lot of exciting conversations here. Hello world. World hello. Was that a reverse echo? Welcome to AirChat. 456. Welcome to AirChat. I'm still figuring out the social media, so hello world. Hello, Victor. Yes, we are also still figuring out social media. Everybody is. I don't think we're done. Are we ever done with social media? It just keeps on changing, and hopefully it's getting better, but that's for us to see, and maybe we need to build better tools as well, and this is one of them.

[2:17:09] So hello world, welcome to Airdset, and hello Victor's world. Third thought on AirCAD. Since this is primarily audio platform, I worry that there's not going to be memes in here, which is a big part of the content-consuming platform, right? Or maybe somewhere in the future we'll see an audio-based meme. Not sure. But yeah, no memes equals that. Welcome to AirChat. You already have a lot of experiences and thoughts about AirChat. That's a good thing. Yes, there are memes. There are even memes channels. And you mentioned that you don't have many followers. Nobody has when they join. so you can check those groups, discussions, topics, and you will find a lot of interesting people to follow. And reply to those things will also bring you more people to awareness that you're on this platform, which may yield into new followers.

[2:18:09] Welcome, Gabriel. I have some good news and a little bit not so good news. Well, the good news is that you're in a brilliant place to talk and have fun and enjoy. And the name of the place is AirChat. And the not so good news is that you're not the first Brazilian, but the better news is that you're not the last one either. Fernando just joined. And my guess is that, well, you have to figure it out yourself. Maybe talk to Fernando directly and you can figure out who was first. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, it's really nice to do good. But first you have to know what is good in that situation. that might be in some cases really tricky and you have to go down deep rabbit holes. Good day to you. And yes, indeed, it is a good day. It's always a good day, at least for some people, but maybe for all the people, it's just a matter of perspective.

[2:18:59] But anyways, welcome to E-Chat. Hello, Fernando. Yes, this is the place to talk. I hope this is the most famous and brilliant network for the Brazilians. I remember there was Orgut many years ago and it became so widely popular in Brazil. So maybe AirChat will be that one. you after and then you can start talking and replying and have a lot of fun here.

[2:20:03] Hello, hello. How's everyone? Say hi back. I'm new here. Well, hello, hello. It's about time. So how are you doing? I've always been so curious about time, so maybe finally we can get some answers here. Welcome, Christopher. Yes, you can speak any language you like and it will be at the moment transcribed into English so anybody can communicate with you. We don't know what intuition is exactly, but it's not a random guess, and people should pay attention to their intuitions. You can have an intuition about a person on your first meet, and we all do. Is this person a helpful, cooperative interlocutor? Is this person not quite so nice? Is this person dangerous? Is this person friendly? And so on it goes. Throughout the day, we have interactions like this with people. And it's based upon intuitions. You might try to articulate something about why you feel uncomfortable with that person or why you in fact might feel comfortable in that person's presence but you won't get to the whole thing you'll say a few things a few remarks oh they looked a bit shifty they they weren't meeting my gaze uh they were uh moving uncomfortably on their feet something like that or on the other hand they were holding my gaze they had a warm and strong handshake they they smiled easily that kind of thing but that still wouldn't capture everything it would just be some clues about why you had an intuition that one person, not particularly nice, and another person was particularly nice. These intuitions are absolutely central to what it means to be a person. It's something that AGI have, and it's something that there's no sign of in any AI system. And there's no sign that making ever larger libraries and ever faster processes and ever more efficient algorithms are going to be able to encode until we have a completely new model of what coding is when it comes to trying to code for this thing that we're calling AGI, a creative system, and what I would argue would be a conscious system as well.

[2:21:54] The interplay of memory, pattern recognition, and attention, and all these, how they are bundled into a biological computer, which has all these learned capabilities, how do you ride a bike, and all these things which are happening almost unconsciously within us after we've been training our faculties for these things. And Delex Friedman's latest episode, 430, about human memory, imagination, there's a voodoo and false memories, as the title goes, touches these topics. And it's really fascinating how these non-describable things, we have no words, so we don't know how they work, but they are so much more efficient, so much more deeper, and so much more faster than and any computers we have at the moment.

[2:23:09] so many creators fear AI. Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts either way. It's the same old, same old. When photography was invented, paintings and painters were having difficulties of adapting them because, like, who would ever have a painting because now we can have these pictures, and they're so much more detailed and so much better. And yet here we are. And on and on it goes. These are just tools, And the most brilliant ones are playing around with them, finding new ways, and our head off the back. So welcome new Pegasos. Holy shit, dude. I have one. Hats off to you. Two, I'm fucking proud of you. Three, I want to support you in this. DM me. Let's talk. I want to help.

[2:23:56] Hey, what's up, you sexy people on AirChat? Today, I have even more options of business cards. Again, would love input. If you have anything to say about it, if you like one, you don't like another one, would love to know. I'm gonna change something with the font. Someone gave me a good recommendation for the font and they've been very adamant about it. So I'm gonna get that implemented and then get a couple of these ordered. I'm gonna do at least two different types. And I have my ideas of what I like, but I would love your ideas of what you like. Top Center is gonna be my choice as well. So I guess you have already the winner based on everybody's vote. How to improve this. What if this life is a sacred responsibility? What if this body of yours is a temple?

[2:24:57] What if every motive of yours was pure? What if this feeling were bathed in compassion? What if every word from your lips were true? What if every act was done right? Is not this moment the only moment holy? I have been exploring being offline for the last two weeks and it has been amazing.

[2:26:04] My screen time is less than 30 minutes a day. Here's something I wrote for my dad in 2018 when he died of pancreatic cancer. What we think he might have said. I came from a large loving family and lived a fulfilled life. A son, later on two daughters, and my darling wife. I was happy with the little things that sometimes get passed by Like enjoying the last real meal I ate A full and hearty pie Life wasn't always easy As the world is sometimes harsh But my essence stayed intact throughout At heart I was a marsh So now that I have gone away I leave it up to you To take something you've learned from me And make it what you do In each and every family there's always someone you can seek To go to when in dark times That can make things look less bleak finding you that person and nurture what is true as nothing's ever certain but what you have in you the choice to make things better for yourself and others around it doesn't cost a penny will never reach a pound so give yourself out freely never expecting anything back and no matter what the circumstance be sure to have the crack a year or two ago a objectively amazing designer who worked for all the biggest fanciest companies it's a personal friend of mine it's just like how much you want to pay me to just do all this for you and I was like I would love to pay you but I don't believe you love the users and because of that I can't give it to you and he was like very offended um but also I think it's true like I love them because they're me and I know what it's like to be in their shoes and have their feelings and experience what they're experiencing and I want to do my best by them because they are me and it's really lovely when they can feel that software is art in my spare time i've been working on elliptic curve cryptography um i find it really fun for whatever reason to um write programs that sort of center around the basics of bitcoin um and uh it sharpens my programming skills but it also makes you think really uh think about sort of what protects this this and many other cryptocurrencies and it's really a fascinating

[2:28:12] series of transformations that are um you know not so hard to understand but they actually teach a ton about math and things like that so i'll kind of go through a little bit of it here my phone might run out of batteries but um i don't know if air chat is meant for this kind of long long long long long form kind of discussion but uh i'll try it anyway so um we all know what integers are um they are uh usually denoted by the letter z um and that actually is from the german for um for number which is uh jalen i think that's the way to say it and so the set z represents all integers So integers are positive, or positive integers in this case. Integers can be negative too. So Z plus is sort of the set of all positive integers. And, you know, think about those numbers as they stretch to infinity and all the way up to maybe something like 2 to the 256th power, which is quite a lot. It's 2 times 2, 256 times.

[2:29:02] So 2 to the 5th is 32, et cetera, et cetera. So if you think about those numbers, you know, they're kind of so large, it's hard to fathom. But I think what the fascinating thing about crypto is that it doesn't dawn on people that, in essence, your private key is just an integer and your public key is just an integer. That's something that's really kind of fun and cool because it's, you know, it's just a number. And that's a lot more terrestrial than I think we tend to think. And if you think about all the numbers on Z+, one of those represents, and just knowing that number, represents could be billions of dollars or your savings or whatever. And it's linked to another number, which is supposed to be public. And the other number is supposed to be secret. So they're pairs. They're pairs that seemingly don't have anything to do with each other. So if you look at the number 1 or 2 or 3, the integer pair for those very low integers, close to 0, the start of the number line of Z+, their comparative key pair, the private key, well, that is the private key.

[2:30:00] The comparative public key is a 75-digit number, which is kind of wild if you think about it. How do you go from 1 to a 75-digit number? just presumably very, very hard to guess. Maybe even almost impossible. But is it impossible? That's the kind of question I've been thinking about for probably five years. And I'm curious about other people who have thought about it as well. I think you'd be surprised at how many people in the Bitcoin space or in the crypto space don't know a lot about cryptography or math and judging anybody or anything like that. But I found it really fun to think about very deeply. And, you know, if you can think about a problem for years, especially a captivating problem like this, There's a lot of philosophical and, you know, other than just like the technical and mathematical enjoyment, there's a lot of philosophical enjoyment too. And yeah, I'll have more to say on this, but my battery's running out. Hi, everybody. I'm a dinosaur paleontologist. My name is Luis, and I'm quite new at AirShed, and I'm working in a science museum, working in applications of AI, especially in 3D modeling.

[2:30:56] And that's it. Hi. Welcome to AirShed, Luis. AI 3D modeling in respect to science museums sounds very intriguing. What is it? What the exhibition is going to be about? What is a fundamental life skill that is underrated? Wei-Wu-wei. Doing things aligned with the DAO and not doing things not aligned with the DAO. In other words, instead of fighting reality constantly and having pitch battles with reality, learning how to understand reality. What is a fundamental life skill that is underrated? Patience. Any guesses what's coming? Ladies and gentlemen, something is coming along for you to see and hear. And it will be coming along on June 5.

[2:31:52] We shot a video yesterday talking about how Jerry met Bruce, and it involves Ed Parker, actually. So I think you're really going to enjoy that one. All right, everybody. Time to RSVP to Firebird. June 20th, 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. where Parsons Ranch in Novato, 35 minutes outside of San Francisco. We already have some people coming into town just for this, to connect with our Air Chat family, to meet new people, to learn new things, to share what we're working on, and to enjoy a wonderful day of outdoor activity. At Parsons Ranch, there's a pool. We'll be barbecuing, hiking if you want, mountain biking. And I'll be bringing up Eric Carr, second generation Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do instructor, my teacher, and a student of Jerry Poteet, who was one of Bruce Lee's original elite students. So what's you waiting for?

[2:32:42] Click this link, RSVP. And if you have any questions, drop them here. I think it would require them to be extremely irrational. I don't see how they would get away from a naval blockade of China after that and a collapse of the Chinese economy. Also, amphibious invasions are incredibly, incredibly difficult. And I think they're going to get Taiwan anyway through a combination of demographics and pressure over the next generation or two. So it would just require them to be irrational. I think Xi's moves are more explained by just watching how the West has gone after Russia with the sanctions and just making himself sanctions proof while he sets out to support Russia in the war against Ukraine. Much more simply explained. But anyway, we'll know within a month. I haven't paid enough close attention to know about internal politics and the preparedness of Taiwan for the invasion. My understanding is that it's not exactly in the level where it should be due to the seriousness of the threat at the moment.

[2:33:37] So also pushing for the nuclear button, could that also happen? And given, for example, what the video clip was stating, that the initial blow would be over in a matter of 31 hours, And it would be probably the next one or whatever the forthcoming exercises China is doing. And it's just this way preparing for the real thing. When is the point to actually push the button as well? That was in the clip too. Because it could be considered as a provocation, even though it's not. Because China is already in that position. But it's a really difficult position also. What will the US and the rest of the world do? And I think this should be stated and decided beforehand. but I guess we will see. It's surprisingly difficult to get conversations started on air chat. You send a message, but it's just very difficult to get someone to respond.

[2:34:25] Maybe just because not enough people are seeing the message. What do you think? Any tactics? Any luck to yourself? Channels are also a good way to engage if you have something very specific in mind. But tacking, I'm not sure about that. It's a little bit intrusive, passive-aggressive in some cases, if you assume that people will enjoy something. Sometimes you know them so well that you can do it and they appreciate it, but it can be considered a spam as well. Yeah, I agree. I'm not the biggest fan of being tagged in things. Definitely feels like spam. How to agree with the price. I have a thought or a question about channels. If it's that anyone can create them, but they're not managed, it's basically like a hybrid hashtag. That's awesome. Otherwise, if it is that someone can create them, but also control them in the sense that they can ban users, hide their posts or anything like that, I would strongly recommend limiting the amount of channels someone can create. Here's the reason, and this comes from experience from Reddit and modding communities over there. If you mod more than one community or even a couple of communities, they're all done half-ass and they never go anywhere. But if you're modding one, you take it seriously. So if there are mod controls on these channels, I would strongly recommend, given the experience on Reddit, to limit the amount of channels someone can create. Because I'm noticing some people creating a lot of channels, and I bet you they're all going to do poorly.

[2:35:41] But if those people focused on one channel or two channels, those would do well. Having a conversation with Manos in a private space, I just realized that the previous rooms in the previous air chat, they belonged to somebody. They were like a room in your mansion, which is expanding if you're making new rooms. But this made it a little bit more intimate. It made me more personal when people are visiting your room, even though it may be public. And the association is loose, almost disappearing when it becomes a really big one. like some of them used to do. But I think in this version, the discussion groups are more like Reddit spaces. They don't feel like a room in your mansion, in your profile. And I don't know whether that is affecting a little bit of the engagement. And it may also feel like that you're making a public space. So it's like a public service if you're picking up a topic and doing something there, even though it may be a little bit more personal.

[2:36:30] And just a thought, maybe it's affecting the activity of the people, but maybe it's just too early to tell. I'm curious what other people's takes on this are. Am I mistaken here? Am I missing something? The platform credits used to be the thing. So AWS gave 100k startup credits. Microsoft and Google are giving also in six figures. So this might be the initial choice. It's not so much about the platform, but if you need resources and you don't need to pay for them, so you will do it. And later on, you will have the switching cost. The technology ops debt, which might be hard in some cases to migrate to other platforms. But I think this used to be one of the reasons why some of the big ones got a lot of startups doing stuff on their platform. hey guys check this out eugene and p3 this is a very good conversation and the way i think of it is we didn't need the iWatch and when it came out i got one gifted to me but i i worked for a little bit then i thought no it's cumbersome i don't want it we didn't need it but yet people have it and they wear it all the time it's a status kind of thing and but we didn't need it and then i think ahead why i might need something like the pin i would love it i want to be hands-free i speak clearly and Siri which I use right now she understands all of my commands and I can talk to her across the room I don't use Alexa but I use Siri and people are used to using Alexa so we're kind of used to our assistance and in the future where I want to be in hopefully 10 years not even that is I want like a floating orb like following me around I want my AI to be like a drone and follow me around and if I want to it to shoot a video of me cooking or talking to somebody I want it to just float around me and immediately do the video and then upload it to the internet I don't need to transfer to iMovie and do some edits and cuts and captions. And I don't want to do that.

[2:38:11] I mean, this would save me hours and hours of time as a creator and as someone who wants to be there for people and speak quickly and speak my mind. And we're already practicing this on air chat. It is needed for me and for the younger generation who are not afraid of AI. They just don't know how to use it yet. And they welcome it. I mean, that is me. We're in an entertainment and creative society unless we go to war. But even then, we'll be even more there because it'll probably be cyber attacks and we'll figure out still how to broadcast and entertain people. And, um, and you know, having drones that work well, cause I tried the drone thing. It just doesn't work. I still have to hold my phone, which is super cumbersome and look at the camera and, and say what I'm going to say. And the phone is heavier, put it on the, put it up on the stand and then get the ring light to be around me. It's like, if I had a floating drone, drone, like around me, that is AI and I could just tell it what to do. And it was like my partner. It was like my, my assistant, my helper, I would pay handsomely for that, and I can't wait till I have that available to me.

[2:39:06] Beautiful walk, and I took a nice picture of the sunset, and I said to myself, well, wouldn't it be nice if I could share this with my people? And then I got home, and a lot of things happened, and I couldn't share it, so here it is. I love you all. This world that we get to experience is a beautiful place. And every time I see things like these, I'm like, I'm so glad I need it here. It's a beautiful place. Rabbit is peanuts compared to Humane, which is still in the minor league, but raising for an exit with a valuation of 750 to 1 billion, because they've been raising at 230 million minimum already. They've established 2018, so it's not exactly a new thing, but whether they can return the money invested is another thing. It is a huge problem, and it's not just tech. It's the fact that governments are already looking at AI, LLMs, its local devices as backdoors to whatever's happening on the phones, and that's been really difficult for them to crack.

[2:39:59] So maybe this is the new backdoor they were looking for. This just dropped. It seems that it's an opinion piece where everything you need to know is more or less in the headline. And it looks to me, one might be wrong, that the person hasn't done a single shit. Here's the second part of the video. It appears to be that Rapid is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. That's all there is. If you have AirPods and you have Apple Watch, then you have your phone. Those are all the interfaces you need to do any kind of queries, nor wrap it, or you may need it. And those are really good ways to even look a little bit of data in your watch. And then the rest is audio. These are just interfaces, so the real thing is what's happening on the other end, whether it's on the device or in some cloud. So it's just about innovation on those things, what we really need, how do we get it, and how do those prompts work. Yes, the second part of the video, it appears to be that Rabbit is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. That's all there is.

[2:41:03] The race to be the first to the market is now leading everyone to release half-baked or outright fraudulent shit. The Rabbit is the most clearing example, but if you look at Google's track record or for that matter Microsoft's co-pilot enabled hardware, it's pretty clear that this is the situation now. Be the first to market even if it's half-baked. The result cannot be anything else than people laughing at AI and then getting surprised when it actually gets good. Rapid is peanuts compared to Humane which is still in the minor league, but raising for an exit with a valuation of 750 to 1 billion because they've been raising at 230 million minimum already. They've established 2018 so it's not exactly a new thing, but whether they can return the money invested is another thing. is another thing. I don't understand why my email is out without transcription. through the burn or the pain of whatever that edge is in your health, in your work, in your creativity, in anything. There's always that edge, your family, your community. And I was thinking how with kids especially, and I think about this in the context of my two oldest, who I have half the time, I feel like half the time they're just relaxed away from their edge. And so when I bring them back to their edge, it feels like some painful thing, like here, touch this hot stove, when really it's just my desire to familiarize them with that feeling of the burn, of the push-up, of the pull-up, of the learning, of the concept, of the creation, of the fearlessness, of the knowing that you'll get through it.

[2:43:04] And it seems very destructive to children not to have them be at their edge. And that, in a way, in the ancestral state, they were always at their edge because our species was at their edge. And that this, like making babies and forming families, is one of those things that you never used to have to figure out. It just was figured out by the environment. And now we have these children, and I'd love to hear what Aaron Stuppel thinks about this, that live far from any edge. Maybe they live at the edge of, you know, obesity, becoming, you know, morbid or mortal. In any case, that was my thought of the day. Over and out. This is pretty much the topic of the Alex Friedman's latest broadcast about memory. and how we are using the memory and what does also AI do to us if we are not pushing ourselves to the new patterns and uncomfortable states of not really knowing what to expect and error correction, which is that our expected reality model doesn't fit with reality, which is when you're doing new things or you're confronting something unexpected.

[2:44:06] And it's a really good episode to check out. In the beginning, there was a chit, and Naval saw that it was good. Kofi Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. So yes, it seems to be the first part of the video. I don't know where the rest is. Maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. Yes, the second part of the video. It appears to be that Rabbit is ChatGPT plus Playwright, which are hardcoded scripts. that's all there is what are the under the radar tech things still to come which are huge on this decade anything you know or have been following and is emerging vision pro llms all the ai talk and tools have been tremendous also in the art of war drones have become a really powerful thing and there are a few of other these technologies which have been popping up and really becoming a thing in this decade, but what are the things we're still missing?

[2:45:13] You heard the man. Time to start singing all your chits. Say you want the fix. Say you want the feature of the year. It's a miss if it don't ship. No, I completely agree. Unless everybody started singing. Which, you never know. Have you checked whether there are some online tools where you can collaborate and start to layer the music together. And maybe that's the way to do it. So you coordinate and share the fun here, but you do the actual mixing somewhere else. Just to give you an idea that it's not optimal and probably not work, but for example here is Sumo Tunes, and they have Sumo Audio for recording, but I'm not sure whether you can record on tunes. But something along these lines might do the trick. Please try again.

[2:46:02] For the people who have spent a lot of time playing with GPT-4.0, Is it your sense that this thing is an advancement on GPT-4 in its fundamental intelligence? Demos aside, leave aside all the Twitter demos, because on Twitter, I think people are trying to prove a point. Whereas here, I think we're more just exploring for the truth. Is it our sense, collectively, that GPT-4-0 is a true intelligence advancement on GPT-4? Or is it a performance and cost enhancement? And if so, what does this bode for GPT-5? It feels like a lateral move where they've been tweaking something. It's more conversational. It's more creative. But it's more reckless. You cannot rely on it. So I wouldn't call it advancement. Maybe it's better for some creative stuff where accuracy doesn't matter. But for other things I think it's even worse. Hey everyone, I'm Malhar and this is my first day on AirChat. Things look fresh and exciting here. It feels like Twitter but for visors which is pretty cool. Let's see how this goes. Welcome to AirChat Malhar. Yes, this is way better than Twitter, but after a while you will go back to Twitter if you ever do, and you will expect the tweets to play, but it doesn't work and there's no mic button, so you better get back to here if that happens, and when that happens, there's all different stages of AirChat usage, and then there's already a group called AirChat Addicts, and that's for later use.

[2:47:19] Hey Vince, welcome to AirChat. You have a cool logo. Is it Smile in Progress? Hello, I don't know if you can hear me, but is anyone reading a book called Mistborn? Welcome to AirChat. I haven't heard about the book. What is it about? Here's a question. Does money can make you happy? Kamal thinks so. There was first time posted. How was your day? Hey, Luis. Welcome to AirChat. Follow some people, check some cool topics, pick some discussions, and you will find a lot of things to discuss and talk and check out. Enjoy. Hello. This is my first AirChat, I guess. Welcome to AirChat. Also, my understanding from the American market, when I visited there, people don't understand the quality of matcha.

[2:48:12] Because, you know what, when you mix it with milk, anything tastes good. But in general, if you make just the matcha bowl itself, it can have a little bit of astringent or bitterness. And some people would say it tastes like grass. And some would just say, oh, this is not organic, and so on. In Japan, it's very hard to have organic matcha. It's almost impossible in my research. Because many farmers cannot produce those. It's very high cost and the quality that comes doesn't change a lot actually. So this is another misunderstanding from the matcha industry. The third thing is that I wrote a very cool article if you're interested to read it. Something I learned in tea ceremony is that before the tea ceremonies were done by samurais and then when they enter, the room is with a low door.

[2:49:03] When you enter this door, you have to remove all your katana and all your armory. And it says, when you come to this tea ceremony, you are nobody. You enter with no rank and nobody knows your position. It's a peaceful room and nobody can fight or kill each other because they trust this place. That's the way of tea. Like, that's how green tea and tea ceremony started. And although now it's getting lower, like not so common, it's more like for touristy places, still holds a lot of cultural significance in Japan. I will put my article link here in the below. I would love another rabbit hole to go down. Related but not really, I'm a collector of good quotes and good titles. And when I was a kid, I remember looking at a fantasy series by Stephen R. Donaldson. And I'm not sure I ever read it, but I was struck by the titles. Great example of titles. Usually when you have a book with a great title, it'll have a singular title. So for example, there's a book called A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. Great title. Book, not so good. Anyway, great title, standalone.

[2:50:06] But this book or this series had two books where the titles played off of each other. And when you saw them back to back on the bookshelf, they look great. And it was very clever because normally fantasy series, usually there's a bunch of them. You see two or three or four or five books back to back. So creating a title that stretches across two books was very clever. And the first book was called The Mirror of Her Dreams. And the second book was called A Man Rides Through. Would any of you guys be interested in a channel for The Office where we can talk about The Office? series because i'm watching um episode one from season three where michael scott watched oprah and he gets to the office and he says pam should investigate how much it would cost to adopt a baby and i want to laugh and talk to somebody that also found that funny should we create one so you're gonna be on the office on sunday way to gossips Yo guys, normally I share songs with you that are, you know, hypo.

[2:51:09] But man, this song, it's earth. It's earth. And it's a South African song. It's in Situana. It has moved my heart. And most of you will probably never understand it. But I'm going to play it for you just a little bit. For you to hear. Maybe some of you will feel some of that energy. I'm going to Beautiful song. Thanks for serving.

[2:52:28] Normally I share songs with you that are, you know, hypo. But man, this song, it's earth. It's earth. And it's a South African song. It's in Satowana. It has moved my heart and most of you will probably never understand it. But I'm going to play it for you just a little bit for you to hear. Maybe some of you will feel some of that energy. The one who is good, I want to share a personal victory. A few of you already know that I was diagnosed with tubercular lymphadenitis last year.

[2:53:53] And consequently, I was put on a six-month medicine course, which is the standard medicine course for TV. And two weeks ago, I took my last dose. I see now, 4.0 is really bad at writing things for you or making changes to a long writing. But if you're asking it to give you a piece of information, it's not as bad. Although, if you're asking it to tell you how to do something, It might give you instructions that are impossible. So it seems like it's more willing to output, but it might output BS. But at the same time, if you're getting absolutely nothing from GPT-4, or if it's given you some stonewall rule, like it's proprietary or it's not allowed, then maybe GPT-4-0 would be better. But it seems like if you want to write an essay, GPT-4 still is the way. Interesting, man.

[2:54:43] It's like a Swiss army knife. Different uses. I also noticed that it does something for the code as well. You can't trust it anymore. If you give it something and then say, please change this entity. So that way, it may change something which is unrelated. And yesterday I was chasing something quite a while because I just later realized that it did change something which was irrelevant for the request, but it absolutely ruined the running of the code. Yeah, if you do get it to do something specific, then it forgets all of the other specific stuff it did before. It seems like GPT-4 can remember multiple specific instructions back to back a little bit more easily. Sometimes it forgets and I can just remind it, hey, combine the last three or four messages into one thing and then it will. But GPT-4-0 is having a lot more trouble doing that. A little bit like when you join a channel. Twitter lists are really good for getting what you expect to get and you can have a narrow or broad focus.

[2:55:36] and the 4U is sometimes bringing something useful. And then the following is totally random, at least on my case, because I have quite a many people I'm following. Jack Dorsey unfollowed everyone, more or less, in his Twitter account. I don't know how many people he was following, but probably in hundreds, if not in thousands. And he said that the quality of the 4U did not go down. So maybe it was because he trained it already with his likes and following list before he nuked. But nevertheless, he said that the algorithm works. No, I changed my mind. Muting channels would not serve me. I want people in my following feed to hear them whenever, wherever, whatever they say. Changed my mind.

[2:56:29] Yeah, I've heard a similar story and I've heard maybe one or two other stories as well about how milk tea came about. However, I'm also thinking that because of the history of tea and the fact that it's early origins from China and it's been around for such a long time, I won't be surprised people were already, you know, in different parts of the world were already blending this standard, the standard default tea with various different ingredients. And I'm sure milk was one of them. So I won't be surprised the Mongolians may have been among the first, or maybe it weren't the Mongolians. Maybe it was the French. You know how the French like to claim everything? No, I'm kidding. If anybody is from France, I'm just totally kidding. Well, the interesting thing is, according to what I was reading about the history, is that tea was more, it was kind of bitter in the way they brewed it, and it was more of a health sort of drink and not just like an everyday sort of beverage.

[2:57:24] And then when the Mongolians took over for a little while, It was the Mongolians that kind of finished the process of figuring out how to properly aged tea, because I guess they like to ferment things. And anyway, so they helped with the oxidation process and fermenting the tea leaves in order to make those like dark, rich black teas that are fermented. And that kind of finished the whole cycle of like, hey, tea is more easy to brew now and it's not as bitter. It's a little milder and easier to consume. And it kind of increased the consumption rate in China of tea. And depending on where the tea came from in the ports, because at the time the Dutch ruled that area of the ocean, obviously, and they had a monopoly on the exportation and control of teas.

[2:58:13] And so depending on what part of China the tea was picked up from, tea had a different name. And so when it was exported to different parts of the globe, it was either called cha or it was called tea, depending on where they picked it up from. I think the port of Amboy, they called it tea, and then maybe the Cantonese called it cha. I forget. Either that or it's the opposite. And so obviously cha turned into chai in India. And so, yeah, it's just interesting how different parts of the globe, even representing in their local native languages, what they call tea based on the port of origin of the tea because of the different dialects between Cantonese and Mandarin. um so it's kind of interesting but the dutch controlled the tea trade for a long time they had a monopoly on it until the british figured their way in there uh and they kind of worked their way around because they didn't have as much control on the tea being exported from china and so they set up camp in eastern india and uh that's kind of how they cultivated the osamika variety of tea.

[2:59:19] So you have the camellia asamica in eastern India. And that became predominant. And obviously the British ended up leveraging that tea, tea growing in India, to become the largest tea producer in the world. Not true. You just prefer to use the inferior one. There really needs to be a laughing emoji reaction. you Thank you.

[3:00:41] Oh my gosh, we got a shiny new icon. Check that out, guys. Check it out. Also, while I was drawing on the icon, I got distracted and drew on the cat, too. But the art wants what the art wants. If it would be called a meditation retreat, would it look any different? I watched the entire video and I thought it was so fun.

[3:01:33] I was actually thinking how if you framed it as a meditation retreat, it would have felt so differently. The one thing I would have paid for out of everything offered was the bed with the ability to turn off the light right away. I definitely would have declined meeting family, and I would have declined getting everything for the last 30 days. Mr. Beast did a little bit more extreme thing. I just noticed he has this one, seven days in solitary confinement. This is the air chat Reddit moment. We're going to have so many subreddits, discussion groups, topics, subtopics. And then eventually the most strongest ones will survive, and this will be the topics for the issues discussed. And yeah, maybe you're the lucky winner of the lottery of the strongest community of a air chat topic. Doge has ascended to the heavens. Fascinating. Did you get the headphones? Are you listening to them?

[3:02:23] Are they giving you the joy and bliss of beauty? If you start to think about it, it's a little bit more complex if you close the other end. And this means that you have to somehow dampen the waves because they're going into all the directions. And then you start to have some kind of reverbs and all these things when you have closed ones. So it sounds like a little bit more complicated situation when you are not having to open it once. But I haven't really thought this through and I'm no headset designer. But I recall in my youth I had also loudspeakers, gradients, which were also open and they were just amazing. I found it! And for me, I was tagged for that old one, and also 11 was tagged on my reply.

[3:03:35] At the same time now, I didn't do anything, so it just happened by the backend or the client just in the last, I don't know, 12 hours or so. Now we're going to have a lot of channels. Maybe this is the regular way with some of the features. Users are wanting, wanting, wanting, and begging, and screaming, and kicking for you to put into the app. And then when you have it, well, then it's the next new thing. we're not gonna have this X or Y and it's not so cool anymore. It should already be doing that. If you go into the 4U feed you should see lots of posts from channels. If you don't, let me know. Will there be a way to mute from the 4U feed and following feed some of the channels you pick and choose? For example, if you're a cat lover and you see a lot of your friends who you follow replying to a dog channel and you don't want to see those ones. So in that case, could you mute that particular channel even though you're not following it? Or maybe in the case that you're following it? but you just want to go there and roam the content there and not particularly see it in the feed.

[3:04:32] Eventually, yes, but not in the immediate term. That's a bit of a power user feature, and we're more focused on making things simple for new users right now in the app. Hi, Naval. I have a quick question for you. I think it's no secret that you are a quite wise and profound person. I'm curious what you would attribute to your ability slash your skill of generating profound insights and what you advise someone else who's an intellectually curious person by nature to develop this skill over time. For example, are there different resources one should reference, or different books one should read, or even just general approaches one should take to life? Thank you. Wisdom is the product of experience and curiosity and honest self-reflection. So put yourself in the path of many experiences of different kinds, and then when you have them, be curious about them and really think them through honestly. Don't worry about offending other people. Don't worry about hurting your own ego. Just go for the truth. I think anyone who is observant about what's happening around them and reflects about it honestly will come up with insights that are quote-unquote profound. They might be a little hallmarky too, you know, a little bit trite, but to really internalize these learnings, you have to discover them for yourselves.

[3:05:43] Reading other people may inspire you, but it will not guide you all the way. Because you're on your own unique journey, you do have to hack your own path. And that just means really, really thinking things through, honestly. Now, you can't fake it at some level. If I tell you to fake it, it's going to feel like work, and you won't do it, or you won't do it to the right level. But if you do have that innate curiosity, just pursue it. I think the most important part is the honesty part. I do think everyone is curious about their own life, and everyone introspects. But that unwavering dedication to the truth, that's the hard part. At least on our iOS client, it should remember where it left off in the last two or three posts. It's not going to be a memory beyond that because we're not going to track where you were on post number 32 two days ago. That doesn't make any sense, obviously, but if you're just flicking back and forth between two posts, it should remember where you were. That's a brilliant feature. I just wish there was a way to reset it because there might be something you want to play again, and if it's a very long one and the transcription is correct, and you need to get that particular piece of information or what was said.

[3:06:42] It was really hard to reset and start from, again, at least in the DMs. You can scroll way off the message to a couple of other messages and then come back and it will have reset. That said, we will let you tap to skip around in the message soon. We just had to get word-by-word timestamps working on the transcriptions, which is actually quite a lot of work because before we didn't have timestamps on the transcriptions. So everything took a little while, but it will be coming soon. I'm realizing so much of social media is information that we would never seek out on our own. For example, my Twitter for you feed has not turned into stuff that just sucks me and is super engaging. But I always find myself down some rabbit hole that I genuinely don't care about. And I would have never investigated on my own and has no bearing or impact in my life. And I have no ability to act upon it. And most of it is driven by fear or sensationalism. So I'm just being sucked into caring about things that I don't care about. And I don't want to care about.

[3:07:30] And I shouldn't care about. And I can't care about. Because there are other things that I genuinely care about that I have to allocate my time to. So, you heard it here. I'm going to start calling social media sensational media. The battle between conflicting interests. Universal explainer who cannot know what it wants but is curious and is always creative and seeking for something new, unexpected, unknown. And a platform trying to serve the user something to keep the eyeballs on for the business model to work. Hey Levon, thank you for having me. Yep, I didn't find it either. Moderating a channel? Yeah, maybe. I'll give it a try, I guess. The latest build seems to be adding DAX later on. So, for example, 11 was added to my previous one from two weeks ago, I didn't do anything. And I also noticed that I was mentioned in the same thread in above, which just popped up on my feed. I don't know that that's intentional, but just FYI. My thesis is that they may have optimized GPT-4.0 for chat, because that's what the announcement was all about.

[3:08:39] And it's free as well, which is suspicious, because if it's actually better, why would it be free? Why would it be free? Another thing to consider is that the voices we saw on the GPT-4.0 demo have not been released yet. And I'm not sure if those voices only work with GPT-4.0, but that's kind of what they were making it out to be. Like, GPT-4.0 was optimized for vision and for audio. You know, the O is an I. So if that's the case, then GBT4O really, it seems like might be more for those conversational models, which tend to have more overconfidence because they're talking to you rather than, you know, meticulously crafting some idea back and forth. Like conversation requires more confidence to enjoy it sometimes. Not being told no, etc. I mean, did you hear how the AI girl was talking to that guy who's like sweet-talking him practically? So I suspect that GPT-4.0 is tuned a little too much to what you want to hear rather than what is true.

[3:09:35] So beware of GPT-4.0. I would stick with GPT-4 if it weren't me. For now. In the OpenAI demo, they thanked NVIDIA for the latest gear, which they stated that enabled to use that model in a live situation. so the voices are probably too expensive to be used at the moment yet and it was just the latest thing they had but it's not optimized, it's probably not working yet in a level that they can roll it out. Happy birthday Kamal. Happy birthday our John Wick. Happy birthday Kamal. I actually love this idea, I definitely think there's something here. Top level I think summarizing is more important than diving into the full context anyway so if we could have the best of both worlds that'd be amazing. Thanks for sharing. yesterday I noticed a discussion and then I started to scroll up and it went on and on on on and on it must have been hundreds if not even already in thousands of trips so I never get to the top of it finally I figured out it's the taking children seriously threat but I think that might be something as well would be somehow able to go to the top or at least realize what is the main topic or how this all started the discussion was already going to different directions and in some sense it doesn't matter but if you want to scroll up quite a bit it would be nice to get a little bit of a context what's going on maybe there could be some kind of a summary topic or some kind of way to understand what's going on those could be also probably like section headings also along the way if you're going route of the summaries anyways happy birthday like a mall.

[3:11:39] Then there are many of us as well, talking all the time around the world. So, Kenzie, after the roasting, this morning I was having a conversation with Petri and he said to me, "Well, you need to show us how your workstation looks before it's messed up." And I'm like, "I'm gonna have to stage it somehow, because it will not look as good as this any time when I'm working on it." So, this is what it looks like, and I think you would be a little bit more proud of this setup. Oh man! The previous shit was done with the permission of the author, and if you don't know who he is, you haven't spent enough time on AirChat. AirChat turns you into jelly. I do think it's unlikely I get in. One of the biggest negatives against me is that I do not have a co-founder. And again, if I want to build a small business, I actually think that's fine without a co-founder.

[3:12:29] If I want to build a very big business, it's going to be quite challenging without a co-founder. And this is actually some early feedback they gave me like a month or two ago. And I thought I might bring on a co-founder, but now it seems very unlikely that I will. That part I'm less sure of. I know they like to give that advice because it diversifies their risk and because that seems to be the standard understanding. And I even wrote that in Venture Hacks decades ago. But now I think it's changed. Sam Altman assigned junior technical co-founders after the fact, I believe. Elon Musk doesn't have co-founders in many of these companies that he's done. Steve Jobs, you know, Paul Allen, sorry, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, Wozniak dropped by the wayside. Same with Gates and Allen. You know, Allen dropped by the wayside and Gates led the company. So usually one founder emerges dominant anyway. And I think there are lots of examples of successful single founder companies now. Jeff Bezos is the one that comes to mind. So Mark Zuckerberg, you know, really the main founder of Facebook. So either one founder ends up being the main founder or your successful single founder company.

[3:13:19] I think the two founder advice is a little obsolete. Although I understand YC still throws it out there as a bonus or a requirement. Although I don't think it's a hard and fast requirement. I'm so jelly. You guys have the best time. Strike a deal with the universe. So here's what I'm going to say. If I pull it off, will you come and join us? if I somehow make it, will you come and join us? I think that's a fantastic deal with the universe because if you say yes, then I know it's going to work. I'm a dreamer, man. Oh, I'm a dreamer. Nice. New feature on AirChat. You can see views, but some of it's a little bit puzzling. And when you cheat from a week ago or more, have this type of metrics. Maybe it's time to re-chit them. I appreciate that. Honestly, the focus that we have right now is on productivity and efficiency, which comes down to output and, as Brian mentioned, towards GDP, which doesn't really take into account a holistic human experience. But agency, I feel like, does a little bit better.

[3:14:16] The nice thing about high agency, as opposed to, say, productivity or efficiency, is that the high part implies effectiveness and tool sets, and the agency part implies freedom. Whereas in just being more productive or being more efficient, there's no underlying freedom mandate. My intuition is that when it comes to AI, I think OpenAI, Meta, all these companies working at the intelligence level or the intelligence layer are going to swallow up or continue to swallow up more and more tutoring apps or just like all the customer feedback apps, stuff like that, I think gets swallowed up by the intelligence layer. But what I think doesn't get swallowed up by that is, I'm going to go back and say it again, I think an operating system powered by large language models with a central database that replaces all apps could very well be the future. and ideally the central database is hosted and funded and kept running through a decentralized incentive system, similar to Filecoin or Bitcoin's proof of work or name your thing, Solana, all these things.

[3:15:27] But yeah, I kind of just already talked about it in a different thread, but I'm still really excited about the idea of an AI operating system similar. And like Linux, Linus Torvald was also predicting this. I was listening to Founders Podcast with him. He was talking about, yeah, just this general idea that an operating system isn't the end goal. The end goal is you just talk to your, like Linux isn't the end goal. The end goal is you just talk to your computer like another human and then it adapts and the database adapts and everything adapts. And the LLM is essentially just running code to get shit done. So rant over. Yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts though on this just from a general perspective. because, yeah, you've got an amazing, beautiful eye for products. So this is the philosophy that I am using as I build my new company. So I wrote software for a long time.

[3:16:18] I was a product manager for a long time. And I see each of those jobs as an active translation. The job of the product manager is to translate the product idea into something the engineers can build. The job of the engineer is to translate the product specs into something that the computer can actually run. And then at each step along the way, if you think about what a compiler is doing, These are further acts of high-fidelity semantic translation. So today, we are in a situation where you have to train your engineers. You have to get a subject matter expert to train the engineer and make the engineer a subject matter expert so that they can write the correct software. And I think that's an inefficient step. So what I believe the right thing to do is to essentially have the engineers work with the large, to put a large language model in between the two so that it can more efficiently translate between the domain expert and what the engineer can actually build. I personally believe that this is not the end of engineering.

[3:17:15] I believe that the job of the software architect is going to change, but I don't believe it's going to go away anytime soon. And I believe that the next growth area is going to be domain analysis with the goal of creating domain-specific languages that can act as intermediary steps. Can we all talk about the aliens? What are the aliens talking about us? You know, sometimes I look at Paige and I genuinely, sincerely, honestly wonder if I'm good enough for her. She's such a loving, sweet dog. All she wants to do is please. And the working dog in her just wants to do anything that will make you happy. Just be by your side. And she's a badass too, but she's so sweet and loving. And I wonder, am I giving her the best life that she deserves? I should be waking up earlier, so taking her out before it gets hot rather than just in the evening when it gets cool.

[3:18:08] I should take her hiking in the mountains. She hasn't seen much of this world. Those who don't have dogs may laugh at this, but there's a delight in watching your dog, just how they delight in new environments and smells and just exploring. And I haven't been giving much of that to her lately. And, you know, I want to be a better whatever, I think, handler or whatever, you know, for her, to her. So I got to step up and be better. She deserves better. She deserves a better me who gives her a better life. And this photo is Paige realizing that I'm about to go out. for a little while and she gets all sad and goes lies on her bed and just gives me these this look like she knows you know she's very good at that back to night walks with page um we cut through the golf course and as we're on our way back uh the sprinklers turn on so we do this little game where we zig and zag to the sprinklers avoiding the stream of water it's a bit fun and then once we've passed that maze um we stop and look out over the valley and there's uh the lights of las vegas I was there this morning. I was driving by the strip and thinking of all the things that must be happening in those hotels and casinos. It's summer, so the pool parties and stuff.

[3:19:26] And I've just come back from Japan. And Japan felt real with its history and the modernness, with its zaniness and its culture and its civility. And driving by the strip, thinking of what was happening in there, it felt fake. I was at a birthday party a few days ago, and one the guys there said we were on top of this condo building looking down over the strip and he said you know this town wasn't built by winners and it took me a second and I got it it's like that's right this town was built on the assumption that collectively the people who come here will lose and that makes this town sparkle and glow funny thing as humans in life so Paige is Paige and I are walking and I'm letting her take the lead but on my command so she knows I'm still in charge she gets to take the lead when I choose it. It's interesting about these dogs. They are calmer and better when they know that you're in charge and when you let them be in charge it's on your terms. So here I am just looking at the lights of Las Vegas and of course Paige is getting bored and so she comes and nudges me. It's like come on buddy. Hey thinker stop thinking. Time for some doing. There's coyotes to be chased. There's sprinklers to be zigzagged and off we go. Oh my gosh me waiting for the other chit oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh yes oh my gosh i'd probably be screaming if i um was at a different point in my day but i'm about to go to sleep so it's a it's a very quiet oh yeah oh it's so cute there's so many hands there's two hands on the frisbee there's on the mic it's so funny oh what a cutie but too he's the star of the show he should have the little headphones on he's a he's just a little baby he's a perfect he's a little ai baby he's cute he's so cute some design choices make the overall experience better even though they may look like faults like you cannot edit or the user needs to learn to speak in a manner that they are not mms and filler words and that's not a bad thing for overall for everyone and it's just a little bit uncomfortable in the beginning also the longer form if you notice that you're not getting a lot of engagement with those ones might make them shorter learn to speak better that's a long

[3:21:30] route and if you need quick wins that really doesn't work but i think that's the same with the 140 characters, which was the limit for a long time. It was just brilliant. And then when it became longer, now you can have huge ones. It lost something already. It's not the same thing anymore. And in that way, I think having these limitations, even with the transcription, is a good thing. If the transcription would be flawless, it would put you more pressure on your speaking, and you probably would do more recordings, because you want to have the speech, the original source, as perfect as well. And now, because of the imperfection in the transcription, you do more first takes because everybody knows that that's how it just works. I can definitely see it being like a translation part where someone can choose to have everything translated into the language that they can understand.

[3:22:24] Actually, I don't even know how that works because I see Japan's chat and it's all in Japanese and I I see like going to French chat and it's all in French. And then for me, I mean, it was so in the middle of your three chats, the middle one was in German, but it was spoken in English. So I think it would be cool to, you know, just like watching subtitles of things and then you can get it translated. I don't even know what I'm saying, but, you know, thanks for the input of saying that it was by Whisper. It was just like good knowledge. And I didn't want to just leave the chat with just like, ha, I like, thanks for your information. But I don't talk to you and tell you thank you. So I just want to say that. Thanks, Petri. I always love you on AirChat and your dialogue. So always a pleasure seeing you on here.

[3:23:11] Option to get notifications of DM likes would be a nice addition. When the notifications are off, you posted something and then you forgot to check out AirChat. And you have become an emergent meme trend. Yeah, I agree it's likely a nudge, but that's where the design challenge comes in. That's what I've been struggling with back and forth, is how do you nudge someone correctly here? Reflecting a bit, because of the recording issues, they're not going through, or you don't see them, or they're posting to the wrong places, I think that also might be partly because people are doing a lot of chits at the moment. So if you're absolutely sure that it goes to the right place, it will be there. Maybe the shorter ones will become more favorable. I'm a product designer from India, working in the gaming industry. Welcome to AirChat. That sounds fascinating. What type of games you are designing? So, it's a weird thing. I work in the gaming industry, but I've not designed a single game.

[3:24:03] I work on the platform side where I design a platform where people can host their games. Aha. So, I found the mystery. Yeah, this is just interesting, just me thinking out loud, talking about blocking, and this guy I quite like, Michael Malice, the intelligent anarchist, he was advising people on what to do with stupid people. And he said, when you disagree with a stupid person, just so you don't get their back up, use the phrase, yeah, it's confusing, end quote. And I've said to him, look, there's no such thing as a stupid person. It could be that you're wrong. It could be that they're wrong. It could be you're both wrong. Don't call people stupid. That's basically what I was saying. And then he disagreed with me on that. And so he said something like, do you think I shouldn't talk to stupid people or something to that effect? And I said, no, I wasn't saying anything like that.

[3:25:00] I was saying there isn't such a thing as a stupid person. And then I said, yeah, it's confusing. In other words, I was saying back to him exactly what he said people should say to a stupid person. Now, I said there's no such thing as a stupid person. He said there is such a thing as a stupid person, and when you encounter such a thing as a stupid person, you should say things like, yeah, it's confusing. And so I thought it was quite clever. And so did he. Hence this tweet of his that I'll link to right here, where he says, quote, I am in legit awe. Well done, sir. So he was praising me, which I thought that's pretty high praise coming from Malcolm Ellis. But then, and only then, was I blocked. As I say, this is why I kind of had that feeling. He's a smart person, but he feels the need to be the smartest person in the room. So as soon as he said he was in awe of me, then he blocked me because he couldn't have someone around that he felt was operating at or above his level. Something like that.

[3:25:55] And I'm not an arrogant person to think that I'm smarter than Malcolm Ellis. I don't think that. But he seems to not want anyone around who might make it. But then again, he did praise me. So I don't get it. But there you go. That's my block story. Here's the link. Thanks, Brett, for the stories. Yeah. He didn't like, Malice didn't like that you used his method to, well, with his word, calling him stupid. Anyways, I noticed in Blue Sky the same, what you mentioned about bots labeling. Blue Sky has this tool, or probably many of them, which tells you, shows who blocks you and what feeds block you, and a lot of information about these things. And I noticed that I've been in some of the block lists, and the explanation for this, how do you get into that list, is that it was really broad and changed. generic, like people who like crypto talk about tech or are from Silicon Valley or whatnot.

[3:26:48] So sometimes these are pretty broad and it's probably, like you said, it's about likes or associating with some people or just following somebody anywhere in the list. Yes, as I expected, it's something that has a high false positive rate. Just, you know, if you can go on to Blue Sky, for example, and just bar everyone who doesn't like, or who does like, rather, who's expressed a liking or follows a channel called Gardening, well then you immediately wipe out everyone who likes gardening so that's going to include presumably a lot of people you might otherwise be interested in following. I love how it still says next shit not next chit but yeah it's basically so my theory here is um if you think of AI being the new UI you can kind of rethink the entire computer and our entire way of interacting with devices and so a different way to think about air chat is I could just like tell, like there could already be this whole set of data, and instead I could talk to my AI device and tell it to essentially record what I'm saying, and then share this to everyone who is in my list of contacts, and then that data can be manipulated, and this is still early stages, so bear with me, but the LLM, a large language model, could basically just execute Python code to manipulate that data.

[3:28:08] And what that means is you strip away everything on top of that. So all that UI gets stripped away, and you really just make AI the new UI, and strip away all the nonsense. Not nonsense, beautiful stuff. But it's very representative of old technology, and it doesn't work with AI on a core native level. the old air chat links are not working anymore they were just a few weeks ago still so I think they are gone now unless they are still planning to revive those links so otherwise it's just better to have a new conversation understood and yeah I think yeah I'm always down to keep the conversation going here so yeah it's good to be back on air chat it seems a little bit more dead than or just last active than it was a few weeks or a couple months ago but vibes are always good here. Good to see the OGs sticking around. So yeah, I hope you're well, man. What would be the only exercise book that you'll ever need? Any book that shows you clearly the joints in your body.

[3:29:09] Any book that assists in your awareness of your joints and how they move. The space between your bones are joints. They are simple but powerful mechanics. Once you understand how they move, how they distribute load, you will have a natural understanding of how your body moves and distributes load. Then anything with joints becomes a guide, a cat, a dog, a gymnast, a child. Your joints have receptors to allow for fine, detailed and intelligent movement. Joint sensitivity is one of the main ways we process feedback in the moment. Process reality. More awareness in the joints, the more awareness in the moment. Thus more awareness in your movement. Stimulate that space between those bones and the muscles will follow. Allow your curiosity to explore all the directional movement that is possible. Stimulate those little joints in your fingers. Rotate those joints in your ankles. Expand the joints in your ribs. Your own body contains all the blueprints you need to move. All the information you need is there to be uncovered. If you truly deeply listen to your body then it will tell you what it needs. Then everything else is just sharing with others and figuring out interesting and fun things to do with all those muscles and joints.

[3:30:28] I'm interested in what people think about the future of large language models from a product perspective. I've been pitched quite a bit over the last month. Vertical solutions that involve large language models. So for example, imagine going to a dedicated experience around weight loss. Imagine the same thing with financial coaching or having a dedicated assistant that works on your behalf only to book travel via email and text. Do people see these as plausible solutions or plausible places that we end up Or do we think that all of this gets subsumed by one of the big players? That is very interesting product. And I think it's along the lines of what we've been seeing with the search engines. So it's a family business model, like startpage.com, duck, duck, duck, go and the rest. I think what is probably missing, maybe even in that one, or I think what is definitely needed, it's not just that Venice is doing, but also that it will sanitize the data, the actual prompts. Because sometimes you don't want some of your fingerprinting, revealing text, data, identity, putting into the prompt.

[3:31:29] And it's not necessary or it could be something else. So it could be maybe coming back to you as the real one. But when it's sent out, it's anonymized. And this is something which still happens. I checked Venice for just a few seconds. But I think that that's definitely needed in order to increase the level of privacy. But yeah, I think there's a market for this type of things. Kofi Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. So yes, it seems to be the first part of the video. I don't know where the rest is, maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. Thanks for the link, Unity. Yeah, I just read it. Well, if that's the case, why did they ask twice Johnson, and why did they took away the so-called not imitated voice of Johnson if it was not her? Doesn't make much sense.

[3:32:27] Coffee Chilla dropped a new video saying that the company Rabbit has a history of doing things on the NFTs, raising money and not coming through with their promises. Yes, it seems to be the first part of the video, I don't know where the rest is, maybe it's not released yet. And he has a thread also on Twitter about it. I will be watching closely what happens, just out of interest. To see, because for me I'm more interested in the story than the legal dispute. But why? And I'm afraid it may never come out. If somebody tells you that they are dating a model, you better ask, is it an LLM? That has definitely been my experience too, but there is something about what Petri is saying that resonates with me in a very deep way. So I want to ponder the validity of that for myself.

[3:33:19] But Petri, I will say I do want to hear about your direct experience, preferably on AirChat, because I believe this is AirChat violation. Go read this, especially go read my book. Because, you know, I want to know that you actually have this experience of not living with fear before I seriously consider the premise of what you're telling me, which is I can live without fear. So it starts with expectation management, first with yourself and then towards others. So what can be expected? And this is what great startup founders are also doing. They are telling up front that this can fail, most likely this will fail. But, you know, given all the things that can go wrong, there's also a chance that this might actually succeed. so it's quite a lot to do with how do you communicate your intentions and what you're planning to do and I think that's partly also setting the expectations yourself but mostly and first of all you have to you know clear these things within yourself. I don't have anyone else I need to manage except for myself failures or for me I guess my partners we all go in knowing we could fail and I in some ways I know the chances of our failing are substantially higher but there's still this belief in me that I can make it happen. I gotta think about this more.

[3:34:29] I think I'm still having dissonance between having been able to create things that are not possible for me and believing that I can't control future outcomes. No worries. Did you fell in love? I remember you were dating someone. Yeah, I've seen there's a heavy correlation between dating someone and using Erchat, so it's negative. So when you date someone, you don't use Erchat. And that comes back to the, you know, erotic part of voice. I think Naval, you should be aware of this correlation. I've seen it with many users. Yeah, I'm happy for you, Monsieur Baguette, everyone. It's a common misconception that Europe doesn't have social media companies. We just call ours breweries. Its social media app is called Malai. A few years back, they opened a new public library, which is a build based on the concept of a public place where you can work. There's a cafe, there are rooms where you can work, you can do group work, group meetings, various different places to hang around, do things.

[3:35:31] And it's architecturally also pretty nice, so that became a famous and popular spot for people to meet and do something together. Yeah, there are really beautiful angles and details, and you can explore the building just for the sake of the building. five years ago I took some pictures of the interior. There are multiple images within each post on my Instagram. But I'm sure there are even better ones out there if somebody just bothers to Google them. Hi there. Good afternoon. I'm Parag. Looking forward to this new audio social public messenger. Parag, welcome to AirChat. Follow some people, check the search function for interesting topics for you. and also there are discussion groups, topics you can also check in the beginning before you get more followers. So this way you will get your feed populated and just dive into the talks and you will have a lot of good time here.

[3:36:28] Welcome to AirChat. Yeah, this one is the one where you need to speak. Somebody call it, we're leaving voice messages to each other, voicemail. hello there how are you hello and welcome to air chat congrats you already did your first message so now follow a little bit more people use the search function to find some interesting discussions and check some of the groups and you will start to have a lot of interesting discussions soon i can only post one link per message so here's the one i posted above is clear pitch it um they give you i've tried a bunch of apps that try to teach you perfect pitch some people claim it's It's not possible to learn it. That's not true. But it is challenging. And most apps I've used don't really get the job done. They'll get you part way there. But this one is really clever.

[3:37:15] They give you a unique melody and song for each pitch. And then they just work it to death, giving you different modalities. So with the words or in different octaves or different pitches. And it works. It's great. So the other one I'll link below is called Functional Ear Trainer. It's more about relative pitch. But really, the best thing you can do for yourself as a musician is work on ear training. technique. Really, you can't make it sound better if you can't even hear it. So yeah, I like it. Thanks, that's really fascinating. I was just reading the Clear Pits introduction from the App Store and it stated that the way to do that to absolute bits is to associate a color to the tone. And this was exactly what was the case with an artist I interviewed some years back. She had it from the birth. Every sound has a visual appearance for her. So she sees them as colors.

[3:38:09] So that's, I don't know whether it's coincidence or it's required, but just an observation. I think this also can be looked at in the context of attachment and non-attachment. Thoughts? You know, that's needed if you're purely observing the thoughts, the emotions, everything. So it's not within. And if you're within those emotions, you're already in that duality. So let them be. Let them do what they need to do. And by, like you said, improving understanding, acknowledging them, you can take away their power. If you start to push them, support them, they will only get more emphasized, more leveraged, more prolonged. We miss you, Monsieur Baguette, everyone.

[3:38:59] And it's not only Monsieur Paquette, but a lot of the French Invasion first squad must have the flash mob. We are now clearly in an AI race where OpenAI released GPT-40 when it was a little bit unready just to get ahead of Google, which released similar things the next day, also quite unready. Now Microsoft releases a new lineup of hardware and software built around native AI, probably will be likewise slightly unready. So everyone will be rushing to market just to be the first. We saw this with the dedicated AI devices like the Rabbit, which also was unready. Some would even call it a little bit of a gimmick. And this will keep happening because the incentive is clearly to be the first now. However, since the products are not ready, this will probably make people a little bit more cynical and it will make them underestimate AI because they will see a bunch of prematurely released products and they'll be like, "Oh, this is a toy. This is not as good as we hoped." Blah, blah, blah.

[3:39:56] And then when it gets actually good, it will probably catch them a little bit by surprise. However, the negative surprises from rushed products will always be very salient and emotionally impactful. Impactful for the brands, people will be making fun of it on Twitter. Whereas the improvements will be probably mostly gradual and incremental, and it will be updates where it gets 5% better, whereas the initial disappointment will be this big event. So this is an interesting situation. It's also a situation where there isn't much stickiness. it's easy to switch and shift based on task or whatever preference or the latest model between all of these and it's going to be interesting to see whether they can build some kind of modes around them and then we're stuck with something and it's hard to get away open ai was that for the beginning because it was just so good but i guess we're starting to get more differences between the models and tasks so it's going to be more challenging also maybe the same as what happened with the streamed videos as well you need to have multiple services to get done what you you need to get done. Maybe for other reasons. I don't watch that many movies nowadays either.

[3:40:59] My wife and I have really gotten into Scandinavian and UK cop series for whatever reason. Maybe because they are a series you can watch them night after night. But ever since I think it was when I watched Breaking Bad or maybe Lost way back when that I just became more enamored of watching very, very long character arcs. And that to me is what real drama is about is character development and character arc you can't get that in a movie you just can't um not a movie that's anywhere under like three and a half hours and even then so it just and i like i love to grow attached to characters i just do because i love people and the characters become real people to me so i like series and movies only go to or watch if it's like a big production value or go to with my kids or something for an event for an experience i've done the same for many years i got movies trailers for a series and that's how they feel as well because you just cannot get the depth and the developments, what you can do.

[3:41:53] And also the best writers and people, talented people have already moved to TV series maybe a decade ago or so. And that's thanks to Netflix and the others. But yeah, I think the best stuff has been already happening for a while with TV series and the longer formats. I don't think it's possible, actually. I think fear is very natural when you do something new, something, you know, unknown territory, something that you doubt whether you can make it or not. So it's very natural. And it's very natural. The most natural thing to do is just to be with them, to let the fears be. Patrick, can you chime in and say, like, what do you do? Are you trying to suppress the fear? Are you trying to be fearless? Are you trying to be courageous and just overcome the fear and do something regardless whether you have a fear or not? Sorry, my previous recording was cut off. I was recording something and then my friend came and interrupted my message. But I think I still made the point. If you're suppressing the fear, you're already in fear, and that's part of the game. Similarly, if you're trying to do something, it's already the cause of something to be afraid of.

[3:42:49] There are physical reactions. If you see a lion staring at you and there's nothing between you, you will have that adrenaline reaction, and that's fear, and that's the bodily reaction. But the fear we were talking with Jess was about performance, the outcome, the control of the situation, the future. And that's a different type of a fear. It's not existential whether the lion will eat you or that anxiety or some other could be even excitement, some kind of a sensation of something you haven't done. And it's, well, it thrills you on some level, whether it's good or bad. But it's not fear in itself in the context of what I've been talking about. So I don't think you can suppress fears. you have to face them. That's the only way to tone them down if you cannot get completely rid of them.

[3:43:43] Yeah, I agree with most of what you said, Petri. And I also agree that it's more of an anxiety or fear of failure. And these are not existential, you're right. Mostly like ego-driven fears and angst and anguish. And these are kind of just a mental construct. They don't have anything in substance. So they are not existential, as you rightly pointed at all. So yeah, I agree. What's up, y'all? Brand new here. And of course, coffee is the place to start. Teach me something, y'all. Let me learn something. Hey, Dan. Welcome to AirChat. Hope you have a good coffee morning, or is it afternoon or evening already? Probably better not drink at night if it's already that time of the day for you. Well, how about you follow a little bit more people? You already found this group, and there are some other ones, and use the search function and find some interesting discussions. and you can jump into discussions and reply to other people first.

[3:44:33] So this way you will get more exposure, and people will start to recognize that you are here. And this is the best way to engage. And soon you will find out that there's also a group called Airjet Addicts, and this might be the place for you as well. But maybe follow those steps first, and that's then one of the destinations maybe in a week or two. Man, I appreciate the welcome and the nice and helpful tips. Coffee is always good. different times of the day and sometimes you just hit the decaf at night um but i appreciate that i really appreciate all that that helpful info and i am excited to be here and excited to expand so appreciate you man oh hey guys super excited to share my latest episode of the podcast this is episode number four featuring gary gary was really kind enough to come to my show and uh we really had amazing connect in this conversation give it a listen i'm sharing the link below how do you make friends on here chat question mark. To stereotype and put bias on groups of people based on where the hot balls of gas in our universe were relative to the date they were born is not something that should be propagated. Without one post Travis but just one simple post you destroy the entire religion of Los Angeles. This goes for the tinfoil hat group here for the weekend.

[3:45:52] check the third tweet for the article, and it's a real head-scratcher, if that's the case. And first it sounds pretty outrageous, but when you start to read it and think about it, it seems to be quite thoroughly thought through, yet it's not the writer's favorite theory, and it's not a fun one, if that's even remotely true. I did most of it, and here in another parallel thread there's a little bit more about it. No, I haven't gone to the comparisons and what nots, I'm more interested of the physics bases where the tools hold and then it's more into the other stuff but first the basics first and i'm more curious what united is gonna come up with because he has a background on geophysics who says you cannot train the edge at llm with the transcriptions it had heard so much about health and fitness and walking through your day that when you say enjoy your work day this is the result how do i make a vomit emoji on this app this is going to be great the Expectations are a little bit high already, thanks to the previous one.

[3:47:20] may bring his jee kune do instructor eric from la who's directly part of bruce lee's lineage hiking biking trails music and of course all the conversations we're used to having but all live no do-overs or re-recording come on make the trek we got you guys hi nabal i've boiled the out of this full cream milk and now it's going to have lots of thick malai i thought i should let you know oh air chai is relentless and it never forgets so it'd be my girl she knows our mission Chai tea is unacceptable, but you know what? We get it, Noelle. The only Hindi term you remember correctly is the name of your favorite food, and by now we all know it. It's Malai. We get it. What's Malai? Serbian? I missed that one. Hello, Erchel, from Cape Town. Love, Xenia.

[3:48:10] The previous era was about those who can write. But I understand that there will be changes in the past. time to change your pastime. A beautiful poem. Thank you so much for sharing. Might be this one. I don't have the link, so you have to ask from Firebird for what's last Mickey. I think there were even more in the previous old headset, but those rooms are gone, so we cannot find the links anymore. Not sure. I didn't make one, but re-post it in case somebody out there can help out. I've gotten a lot of pings from friends about the Iranian president's death in the helicopter to crash and whether that's the first step in some kind of reform for Iran. I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball and I think all predictions are probably dangerously flawed. But I would point out that the president doesn't hold a lot of power compared to the Majis and the Supreme Leader and the Electoral Council. And so the president is kind of a vetted, pre-screened and permitted figure. There have been some one good president of Iran in my lifetime, followed by a series of just Mullah aligned presidents. I would be surprised if there is a reformist candidate that comes to power, like the fellow who preceded Ahmadinejad, but I don't remember his name right now, but he was in power for a couple of years and seemed promising. He tried, he was going to liberalize the press a little bit. He allowed for a little bit of liberalization and then he got shut down and Ahmadinejad took over and that little midget just reinstated the entire hard line that the mullahs have oppressed the good Iranian people with for, let's see now, 79 to 2024.

[3:49:59] Someone help me with the math? Pretty much my entire life. My entire life minus 11, so 44 years. Might be this one. I don't have the link, so you have to ask on Firebird for what's last Mickey. I think there were even more in the previous old headset, but those rooms are gone, so we cannot find the links anymore. Link alert! Hey, is this spunky or is this just purely apache? Oh my gosh, this is so cute! Everyone, you gotta listen to this. This is so cool. This is so cute. You've got all the noises! Oh my gosh, wow, look at those. Listen to those, check those out. Oh my gosh. The little dogs blurking. Oh my gosh, those barking dogs. Happiness happens to people who do hard work.

[3:51:07] Actively forgetting who you were and that's the speed today who you are and who you will be. Like scents through the outlaws, so are the days of our lives. Have a beautiful day, and yes, we shall chat later. Sips, very serious question. Since you haven't seen Friends, have you seen Days of Our Lives? I don't think I have. Petri, this made me laugh so much. Yes, I did. It was one of the things I actually enjoyed watching after school because we only got a television at home when I was in high school. But oh man, I loved it. I loved it. Not because of the storyline. I mean, the storyline was sometimes interesting, especially when at some point they had a section of the soapy where there was an exorcism.

[3:52:00] of this lady i think her name was marlena or something like that um that was insane but the thing that i loved was just the romance oh you know when i was a teenager man you know i didn't know that much about chicks and so you get there and you're like oh this is how it's this is how you kiss a girl man right and then after there was the bold and the beautiful so i was a big soapy kid and that's because there were we only had three tv channels and the most interesting at that time that uh everyone watched was days of our lives and the bold and the beautiful and one more dick pic for good measure hopefully he'll he'll say something looks like your key trap didn't work this time take me home to the place i belong west virginia mountain mama take me home country road this is so out of my comfort zone to actually thing you know sorry i really like the japanese version of it it's part of an anime i forgot the name of it but it's like this country road every time i listen to this i feel like crying it reminds me well i'm an immigrant so it reminds me of my family home and my country as well and it brings years, but it's also like a kind of freedom, independence. I don't know. I love this song, too.

[3:53:28] Thank you for reminding me. Just turning 24 today. Any life advice, suggestions? Appreciate it. I can't rent a car yet, but I can have fun. A pretty late hit third day. Enjoy life. Nobody has figured it out yet. I'm now having a cup of coffee with my good friend Liz, showing off AirChat. Hello, Liz. Enjoy your coffee. AirChat, the voicemailing app. We are leaving voicemails for everybody. Welcome to AirChat. You have a really interesting looking profile picture. Can you explain what is that orange thing? Here's the best theme park you've never heard of. It's called Silver Dollar City and it's in Missouri. Yes, it has roller coasters, but the difference is cleanliness and customer service.

[3:54:20] Plus, it has a gigantic cave in it. Hi, exclamation point. Oh, I'm having a hard time speaking without adding punctuation. Yes, I'm over 40. Hey, Joe. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, this is a pretty convenient app. You don't need to do dictation, even though you might have done that in the past. You can just speak and let the transcription do whatever it does and don't care about the mistakes it will do. That's just part of the fun. And that's probably partly on purpose, so you don't really care. Because your speech may not be perfect, first text only. And the same way the transcription may not be perfect. Everybody knows that, so you don't need to care about that. Just have fun, enjoy. And I noticed you already know how to edit pictures and do posts, so you're already home with here. Hey, Randy. I resonate with the idea which you mentioned, wherein the hard work is something which maybe gives you happiness or something which you are doing, which is challenging, gives you happiness.

[3:55:14] But the other day I was having a conversation with one of my friends and she mentioned that happiness is a choice. And that made me thinking, like, is it not like, is it, is it like, because there are small, small things also, which makes people happy and we don't even consider those things. So is happiness a choice or like, do we, like, do we overcomplicate and look for things to be happy? That's excellent. Yeah. The best world for me is the one where everybody gets to have that freedom, to be who they are, speak their mind, think their thoughts, do their art, make their creation and be. So I love it. I'm happy for you having this like little new bit of freedom there. This is a little bit off tangent, but Stephen Wolfram was talking in a pretty recent podcast episode.

[3:56:07] He was talking about LLMs and AI, how we don't understand what's happening there. But then he was actually making the fantastic point that we don't understand what's happening within people, other people. We don't know what they're thinking. And the same with animals. We can operate around donkey or any animal if they're like the farm animals. And we more or less can make them to do what we want them to do. But we don't really know how they operate. We don't know what they think and what's happening inside of them. But we have learned to go live with them. And I think this is a brilliant point, but I think it applies also to humans. Because we kind of look alike and we are the same species. We think that what happens inside of us is the same what happens with other people, but it's not exactly the same way. We don't have the same experiences. We don't have the same knowledge we haven't raised. And we don't have the same thoughts and ideas. So there's actually very little we know about what's happening inside of other humans. And if we just accept that we have certain birds, which are some kind of terrain map and some ways of communicating, like with donkeys or dogs or cats, and it's full of miscommunication, I think that's a better premise for anything we do.

[3:57:09] I don't think this is a tangent at all. This is really kind of one of the main points I was making in my first reply. You know, we really don't know what other people are thinking. So how are we supposed to care, you know, or put too much weight behind it? Because anything that we think they're thinking is an assumption or a guess or, you know, something. Anything that they tell us is, even if they're being honest, has their outgoing filter and my incoming filter, right? So it's all imprecise. And precisely as Jess and you said, because we are all different, having different experiences, different viewpoints and advantages. and so yeah I think your post there is dead on. This goes for the tinfoil hat group here for the weekend. Check the third tweet for the article and it's a real head-scratcher if that's the case and first it sounds pretty outrageous but when you start to read it and think about it it seems to be quite thoroughly thought through yet it's not the writer's favorite theory and it's not a fun if that's even remotely true. Okay, maybe I'll have to go back and read the whole article.

[3:58:23] Remove fear and you are free. Thank you, Petri. I'm gonna think about this more and get back to you. I did want to ask from your personal direct experience, have you been able to remove fear? My answer does not matter to you, but if you check my book, read my book, you might get some answers from there. I think the more you are yourself, the more people who like you that way will be able to find you. So great. Life is too short not to be yourself. hello why is this welcome to head chat that was your first message um i just asked you follow some people and pick some topics and maybe use a search function to find something of your interest and and this will become a lively place for you your feed will be filled with interesting topics and you can also maybe learn something new or just have fun here oh i'm excited about this one period if naval is involved. I'm sure it's going to be good. Hello, Justin. Welcome to AirChat. It seems that you already hit a major milestone. You already posted your first message, and I noticed you already have a second one as well. So follow some people, check some discussions.

[3:59:27] There are plenty of topics already been discussed. Jump into conversations, and you feel at home in no time. How are you? Hey, welcome to AirChat. I'm doing great, and it sounds like you're doing as well. You already did your first message, and that's the hardest part. Now follow a little bit more people and check some discussion topics and then you can start to feel at home here. Hi everybody my name is Sanjay I'm from Mumbai it's a very very warm and a sunny afternoon including elections which are scheduled for tomorrow besides going to the malls watching the matches is there a fun hobby that anybody can suggest thank you. Welcome to airchat well one thing you can do is you can start to talk to people around the world here on airchat and you can start start to follow a little bit more people so you will find more things on your feed and then you can pick up some discussions and even use the search function. And maybe this way you will either pick up this habit or then you can maybe find some other hobbies.

[4:00:24] Why does this app feel dead? Why did all my friends stop using this app? Like around two weeks ago. Why? Welcome to AirChat. Well, that's a question you have to ask from your friends. One thing you can do is follow more people and then jump into some discussions, and start talking with people so they will see your messages and if you follow more people, your feed will also get more items there so it looks more alive and you have more reasons to start talking. But you can also start to share things which are interesting for you and this way you will also make the app better. Welcome to AirChat, you're doing great! So you can speak your native language and then other people can see the translation which happens now in English. What a time to be alive this morning or any morning with my girlfriend in the library. We attend about tomorrow's exam. We'll see how it goes. Bye.

[4:01:16] Welcome to AirChat and good luck with your exams. Hello, hello. Hello and welcome to AirChat. If you have the three dots, it's already too long. I think that would be the most succinct description of current status quo, that the only party that wants negotiation and peaceful resolution would be Joe Biden before the elections. And for detailed answer that ended up being posted in parallel thread, you can look it up there. As Nader said that we are now in the same situation as 1938. If Czechs would have resisted with the help of the West Germany, there would have not been World War II, and the Poland invasion would have not happened. In a similar way, we are now in the 38. If Ukraine resists with our help, we will not shift to 39. But if that happens, the same with the Germans, they use Czech technology, the military technology in the further invasion. And in a similar way, Russia will use Ukraine, the technology, the manpower in the next phase of the war. This is an interesting Saturday morning or Friday evening, or whichever part of the world you are.

[4:02:28] At this moment, the historicalization which always goes back to Ukraine. You think you know your mix, you think you know your Vikings, you think you know a lot of your English words, and they always come back to Kiev. This is an interesting one starting at 3.45 with the intro. The temptation for publishers is there to give access to authors' books for additional sales, or at least hope of sales. Like search engines can give some advertising links. Maybe there will be something like that coming up. But is this good for the authors? And what about publishing contracts at the moment? Do they allow to give away your content for LLMs, training and other purposes with the current publishing agreements you have? this sounds awful i'm not even talking about the publishers or whatever basically they're offering kind of subtle ad placement and just when you thought you know the next iteration of tech would get away from ads this seems that it seems like that's in some way what they're offering what tiktok did to instagram and the content creator model where the content is on the central place and the content producer it's just someone who did it but it's not the one you follow you follow the content interesting topic under which the content goes similar way chat gpt will put the content the context in a central place it doesn't matter who wrote the book it doesn't matter who is the source it just matters what you get and in a way you get it and maybe how it's rephrased repackaged remodeled remixed and another fun thing is while you are listening to these different voices you know if you've been on the space for a while in this community you start recognizing different voices and say, oh, this is C.P.O.A., oh, this is Kamal, this is Gary.

[4:04:13] All these different names you start recognizing. I think it makes you feel really good that you know people that you're listening to. A sense of real community. It started to bother me that I didn't know the new songs when I was young. I knew almost everything that was on the playing on the radio, you know, the name of the artist, and I don't have that anymore because I don't get the exposure. So I was like, okay, how can I learn the names of the songs? And by repetition, if I just hear them, maybe I will do it that way, a subtle way. But eventually I just took it off. Now I have a visual cue, so I still see the songs. But yeah, it's not an audio broadcasting mode anymore. Does anyone truly and sincerely, in a non-status signaling way, actually not care about what other people think about them? It's good to acknowledge the people around you and what they're saying. But you may not need to hear what they're saying.

[4:05:04] And that should be always your choice. And if you're okay, and you can accept and it doesn't bother you that they have the wrong impression about you, what you've been doing, and you don't need to correct them. That's a sign that you don't care that much what other people think about you. Hey Tomas, welcome to AirChat. Grab a good coffee, pick up some topics, follow some people, enjoy, and jump into conversations. That's your job from Noises and Voices, LLC. Oh, here's a business idea. So you take the template, then you read it out loud by some brilliant voice artists. The voices we have here, maybe it's Gen Z, maybe it's Yevgen or somebody else. And then you charge an obscene amount of money to do that thing manually because it doesn't work any other ways. And then we label them as agency generated, so we don't need to listen to them and everybody's happy. watches now. Which country have you been visiting, sir? Switzerland. Oh, no, not Switzerland. Not Switzerland. Begabli there, but it wasn't Switzerland. Or what could it be? Terribly bad memory for names. Or, um, what's the name of that country where they don't make watches at all?

[4:06:16] Spain? Spain, that's it. Spain, yeah. Well, that sounds like the famous Finnish professor's law, which is pretty close to Murphy's law, but about people and conversations. It's worth checking out and you're not alone. It's all real law. Life is hard enough to not do it alone. And the beauty of life is giving love and receiving it. I received my first email from a social media agency who want to talk about air chat because they have some problems scheduling posts in their chats and they are asking me what is the best time and what is the best tags and I just laugh for a couple of minutes and laugh. Well that sounds like the famous Finnish professor's law which is pretty close to Murphy's Law but about people and conversations it's worth checking out and you're not alone it's all real law. Life is hard enough to not do it alone and the beauty of life is giving love and receiving it. Priyanka, you remember how you said you want to have fun here on Ed Chat? I have a challenge for you. It's Friday, let's make it fun. Would you be able to sing that theme for the French Fresh Prince of Bel-Air? Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Is that what it's called again? Yes, fresh prints. Do you think you can pull it off? I dare you. And if you have a deja vu at the moment, we had this discussion in the previous build of AirChat or the one before and those are gone. So yeah, it's a new conversation, but the same old clips and same old movies.

[4:07:49] Is it just me or does X.com look like Blue Sky now? It certainly isn't Blue Ocean. I still haven't got the model right. It's 1-2, whoever, which can become a 1-to-1. And then it's 2-2, whoever, which can become a 1-to-1. Repeat to fade. God, I can be anal at getting things lined up sometimes. It's hard to get the ducks online. First it's a monologue. Then it's a reply. Then it can become a conversation. Or it can become replies, in plural. Or it becomes a new conversation. And here we go again. It starts from the beginning. Ducks all the way down. Cheers me duck. Sounds quite elegant, that one.

[4:08:46] A poor perception means a lot of action. Wait, wait, I feel something. Hola, how are you? Saludos from Venezuela. Hola Amin, welcome to AirChat. Happy to hear you here with all the people around the world. And I haven't seen too many people from Venezuela yet, so I'm curious to hear how are things going there. And follow some people, pick up some topics, discussions, and find something you are passionate about, and jump into conversations, and you feel at home here in no time. Hi, my name is Thomas, very happy to join this social network. Hey Tomas, welcome to AirChat. Grab a good coffee, pick up some topics, follow some people, enjoy and jump into conversations.

[4:09:41] The nationwide payment systems outage in the Netherlands is quite entertaining. I would not be surprised if there were very targeted cyber attacks against Western infrastructure, as well as physical attacks against Russian infrastructure that escalate over the next year in ways that are kind of scary. It's been going on for years, and the biggest ever cyber attack against the nation happened in 2007 against Estonia by Russia. And ever since, they've been going on. And China has obviously been also the other active party going back for decades. And this is just usually been hush-hushed, but they're becoming so evident and obvious and so frequent that it cannot be denied anymore. I confirm 4.0 definitely seems better at photo generation. ChatGPT seems to be pretty close to the level where you can do googling or checking stack overflow or some other references for coding, so if there's a solution available you tend to get it quicker by just asking from ChatGPT.

[4:10:40] But if there's something which is brand new and even if you give it some context how to do it, it usually goes to those ways which are being given or trained by some stack overflow or some GitHub repos or whatnots. So it tends to be giving you the stock answers available. But when you ask it to do something which is completely different, then you have to do it yourself. Saw this list on Twitter, and I think I've done everything on this list in the past two years. Oh my god. Here's a few more to the list. Write a book or write a script. Act in a movie or TV series or some theater or some production start a NGO or political party and if you run out of ideas I can give you more of those So I thought I had this app, and I'm going to download it and use it. How do you think? It's a loud voice. I think it's people as well who would like to know what you've been talking about and here we have different discussions where you can start to find something of your interest and also follow a few people and that will populate your feed with more chits and discussions to jump in. Again I really really appreciate you guys to respond to my message because it's my first time so I'm very happy.

[4:12:37] Thank you very much. Who's the third wheel? This is quite insane. Breaking stuff creates stuff. Is that what Apple was telling with the iPad video? There's already a fix. Here's comeback from Samsung. Sigil. Can we have like a channel for dead jokes? I really want to see and hear those funny jokes that are a bit blind but i love them so looking forward to it somebody who is a dead make a channel damage and post there thank you oh wait a second i see what you're doing here i'm slow that was a dead joke of you so funny i think i understand so you want to lower the cost to yourself if you're talking about the product it's going to be cheaper for you to bring the to market. And when you bring it to market, it's going to be at least as effective, if not more effective at attracting the ladies of serving that market, if you will, than the current product that you are going to displace. So cheaper and better. That sounds good. But you're gonna have to tell me or us what market, describe the market a little bit more precisely. What kind of ladies do you want to attract? Because depending on what your market is, that would determine how you craft product to address that market's demand, right? I mean that's how we do it. This starts to sound like a product or TV series or some kind of a format and there's already a name for that one and it's called "hair hunt". How can you talk by silence? Or the hidden meaning behind the words.

[4:14:16] Distilling what's hard to understand down into something that you can grasp is the best way to reach the most people. And you have the most fun doing it that way. Because you'll be able to connect with more people. But for them to understand and appreciate the simplicity, they may need to walk at least partly the same path and come to the same conclusions and peel off the complexity in order to start to appreciate that the simplicity is not simple. It's just what's left underneath it all, the beauty of it. New to AirChat, I live in Singapore. Anyone else out there from Singapore?

[4:15:12] Say hello and it's good to be here. Welcome to AirChat. I just noticed there's somebody else also from Singapore who just signed. I will link to that person so you can say hello to each other and maybe even have some conversation about the things you like about Singapore. The rest of us will be very curious to hear what you have to say. Enjoy and follow some people and check some discussions and you will feel welcome and home here in no time. Let's talk about blockchain technology. Welcome to EarChat. There's a lot of people who've been already in the past talking about blockchain technology. Check the search function and you will probably find some of these discussions. There are also groups discussions where you can find people talking about these things. There's a lot of tech folks here so you should feel at home. Enjoy. Hey, hello, I'm Ray. I'm living in Singapore.

[4:16:05] Hey, Ray. Welcome. AirChat is a friendly place to talk. Just find some conversations on channels and follow some people and you will start to enjoy yourself talking to people around the world here. Musi-musi, welcome to AirChat. This is a place where you can have good conversations, start to check out some discussions. You can talk with your native language and then people will understand you by the text which is translated. Hi guys, I'm you here and I am a software developer And I love reading, especially about self-help, self-actualization, how to become a better person, how to fulfill your dreams. And yeah, I also love going out on hikes. I love traveling. I love working from home and I love to create something meaningful. That would be the best thing for me to know that with my life, I created something meaningful for others.

[4:16:55] Hey Natalia, welcome to AirChat. That was a lovely introduction. There's a lot of hooks and triggers for people to start conversations with you. my recommendation is that you check the channels and you probably will find already some discussions about those topics and this way you can dive in and jump to the conversations even though you don't have many followers yet but you can fix that in no time by also following a few people there's a lot of good people around the world here so enjoy and just keep on talking rabbit hole hopping driven by curiosity. Yeah, luck, Eugene. And if you hear them saying the words water and boarding in the same sentence, don't worry. It's like going to Six Flags. There's a board and there's lots of water and you get to splash around and it's lots of fun. And there's no need to stand in line. You're like the next customer all day, all night. And that totally explains the noises part on Voices and voices, that's Kenzie, but the noises, that's the part Eugene is going to experience and record for all of us to have the latest model soon out. So let's go back to the first principles here. So remember, Ukraine is not just democracy. We can call it a bit extreme democracy, that if Ukrainian people for any reason doesn't like even elected presidents, they go, my done, and boom, you have new president. Zelensky right now is on thin ice because he term already run out. He did not run next elections because of the war. So he right now on highly borrowed time from Ukrainian people.

[4:18:29] And therefore, he is extremely, extremely attuned to the will of population at large. And you know, will of population is not necessarily like best long term planning mechanism. It just it just kind of overall mood of country at large. But he cannot risk doing anything that will result in his personal Maidan. And now, getting back to the population at large, I think you, kind of, you have to concentrate it on, like, maps and errors and, like, hey, it's, kind of, like, this line moved and this line moved by this many kilometers. Point is, that's, kind of, Ukrainian people living on these lines, and especially now, with Terra Barona, lots of them are armed, lots of them want to, kind of, defend their homes, and most importantly, they all, and we discussed this many times, they all perfectly know what it is to become kind of slaves in Putin's Russia. It's like death sentence to them, death sentence to their children. It's like loss of all future. So in other words, it's like, hey, like instead of dying a slave in Putin Russia, like I might as well just die today on the battlefield defending my free land. So of course, not all will kind of do this. And Monaco Legion is growing by the hour. It's definitely a big contributor right now, the Monaco Legion. But I think what's probably going to be happening is that Ukraine never truly mobilized on war footing yet. And if they start losing these large swathes of land, you have to keep in mind that all this land will be fought depending on population density of that land. So population density in Kharkov, extremely high. Population density on some of these eastern provinces are actually quite low. So in other words, I do not see any sort of radical Russian battlefield advances. I don't see any sort of blitzkriegs. What we're going to see, we're going to see a TV picture that going to be just plain freaking terrible for Biden exactly running up to elections.

[4:20:18] You're going to see like thousands and thousands more bodies, thousands and thousands more war footage that war stop being that current trench warfare and it becomes kind of more like free for all on all expanse of Ukrainian territory. Well, the only limiting factor is stay the same that actually Russia in turn doesn't yet have that much manpower. It has options to increase it, but kind of, yeah, it will require separate discussion because it's also not as simple as it sounds. So in other words, yeah, I think Ukrainian would be like, yeah, no, we're not surrendering, we're not negotiating. It's like, if this war continues, we're just going to keep fighting and keep dying. But this is better than to become slaves and put in Russia. So, yeah, bite us. And of course, United States want to avoid that TV picture right before elections. That's why suddenly after starving them off for nine months, suddenly like, oh, wait, look, you actually didn't actually have any weapons. It's like, yeah, well, here are some.

[4:21:05] It's like, yeah, please don't die. Please don't die before election. Yeah, just, yeah, feel free to absolutely die and do anything after the election. So I'm not sure how that brilliant military strategy by Biden will work, that you starve somebody for nine months and then give him nine months later something that kind of already a full year had passed and how that affected Ukrainian battle readiness. But I think that the short answer to your question is chaos. There will be highly chaotic, highly unpredictable situation. It might be like multimillion, again, multimillion refugee flows in Europe. It would be all this chaotic TV pictures. So in other words, nothing pretty. And of course, Biden wants to just swipe it all under the carpet. Okay, here's negotiations, here's the terms, you guys shake hands, we decide it all for you. Well, the only thing is, you know, people who are fighting for their life and freedom, they don't care that much about your elections and your negotiation again. If we have your weapons, we will fight with them.

[4:21:54] If we don't have your weapons, well, we have that old rusty Soviet garbage, we will fight with it. But it's still fight to the death. You're still getting pictures of far more dead people than you would like for your election prospects. That's grim, but I think a likely scenario. Yes, the Ukrainians are going to fight a guerrilla war, a rearguard action. a civilian war, whatever it takes. And they're not going to just roll over, not after what they've already seen, not after the Bukha massacre, not after everything they know about what happens to them in Russian prisons and Russian camps. Yeah, this is not going to end anytime soon. It's going to be ugly with or without U.S. weapons. And I'm not in favor of prolonging wars. I'm not in favor of war. But I think that just from pure self-interest, arming the Ukrainians is the absolute cheapest way for the West to proceed. Otherwise, having to arm it with NATO, which has a scarcity of troops and people willing to fight, is going to be a lot more expensive down the road. And then at that point, Ukrainian conscripts will be turned against them. Why should we live longer if you're destroying the Earth?

[4:22:44] Just a little bit paraphrasing what you say. So because you have a gun in your head, the death is coming, so you have to do something if you want to do something, because otherwise you will die. But what if you take the gun away? And this comes to the existential questions. What should you do in the first place? Because, you know, the gun will go off, so you will die. So it doesn't actually, it doesn't solve anything, this fear of death. And it's a kind of forced way of looking at things. you have to do because you will die. I don't think that's a motivating factor. And if you take that away, you're already lazy and bored, and all these arguments are coming forward, so it doesn't really change anything. So if you're looking from the perspective that, let's say you're like 20 years old now, and okay, I have five times more to go to be 100, so what should I do? Well, I don't need to do anything, et cetera, et cetera. So the time doesn't do anything for that. It's an illusion in that sense.

[4:23:32] And if you take it from another perspective, that's saying that, okay, what if I become bored? What if I become bored? And well, maybe I'm bored like 100 years if I'm now living 1,000 years. Well, what is beyond the bottom? What will I do? What will make my life interesting? What makes me curious? What makes me happy? And then you start to discover those things, maybe little by little. But then you will start to discover and do those things, which you find pleasant. In my book, I spoke about have to versus can do. And I think this is partly within it. So you don't even have to die. You will die eventually. But what can you do? And this is the attitude that I change. which will change the way you will start to approach life and these questions as well. Your answer is also right, but I think there is not a single answer to this thing. Like, my answer is, like, I am going to die, so I better not waste that time.

[4:24:23] So I think it is a motivating factor for me. And second thing is motion effect. Of course, like, if you build a motion of doing things and getting things done, you cannot keep up with that for a thousand years. I think not a lot of people would sign up for that. And not a lot of people would also sign up for using TikTok for 1000 years. And other things which like society will be stagnated. Power law will increase by a lot. We will go back to kingdom system. There will be one king who will be ruling everything. And suicide rates will increase by a lot. Because if you give people 1000 years. So people hate meeting with themselves. Like depression skyrocketed in COVID. because people had to sit with themselves. They didn't have any distractions to distract themselves from themselves. I think we hate ourselves the most.

[4:25:14] We don't want to meet with ourselves. That's why we love distractions. I think this thousand years will do more bad than good. Not sure. Because death is not an ending effect. It is a changing effect. It gives the way for new, you know? I feel like my app is crashing more often. Does it happen with anybody else? It just happened to me for the first time while I was browsing the main feed. It crashed. And why not do the same for the likes and retweets and all the other metrics? It's good for you, for your chits, but do others need to know those? When you're working day and night to build a very complex product, you can only break a small number of user paradigms as to how they're used to doing things. We've already probably broken too many of those trying to create a new product. Every single one that we break creates a cognitive load, creates an FAQ, creates questions, creates demands, creates confusion.

[4:26:07] And it's like Chesterton's fence. You found a fence in the meadow. You don't understand why it was there. You tore it down. Turns out there was a good reason. So by default, we would show these things because that's what everybody else does. And unless we have a very strong, very pointed view why, and we're willing to defend it, and we're willing to make this one of the five ways in which we deviate from everybody else, we can't deviate from it. So I don't think we would hide these metrics. It doesn't make my top priority list to figure out how, why, and to deal with. Makes sense and totally understandable. The same happened with some of the Nostra clients. There was a lot of discussion about those in the last year. And some of the clients, by default, took them off. And some people liked it. And there were a lot of complaints, obviously, as well. And for other clients, it was an optional thing. So you could have it on or you can take it off. And that's obviously a little bit more load if you allow people to have that option to take them off. But, yeah, it's not the most important thing.

[4:26:57] But certainly, I agree with the view thing. I think it's important to know whether somebody is listening, even though there may be no likes or retweets. And I think that's important feedback. Maybe that way we don't need to like so many things because the acknowledgement might come that way. Unless it's a particular acknowledgement that, hey, it was from me. I have listened to your shit novel. So if that's important and it's not detailed in the interview metrics, then that might be a case that likes are still needed. Hello everyone, this is my first post here in our chat and I downloaded this app mainly because I wanted to practice my English. I'm from Brazil and I would hope that anybody that joins this conversation would share some tips so I can improve my pronunciation and my fluency. I don't know. I think that's it. Okay. Hello Henrik and welcome. Yes, the best way to practice is keep on talking and this is the perfect app for that. You can even talk in your native language and people will understand you with the translation. But the best way to learn English is listen and talk. And then if you need a little bit of help then you can also read the text version. All right, so it's time. Tomorrow, cutting my hair. I've had long hair now for three or four years and it's run its course.

[4:28:27] So I'm looking for recommendations. My face shape is more, I would say, oval, and my hair is straight and fine. So yeah, what hairstyles should I get? Or maybe wait for the next four years. It's not long enough yet, so you know, you have time. ChatGPT4O is literally at the top of my screen on my app, so apparently it is rolled out. And anything else is just confusing for the end user. Look at the image. Both Altman and Egg are here on the website, so you can tag them directly. I don't think they use air chat and I definitely don't think they're gonna listen through my rants. So it should just be a short two or three minute video that very quickly establishes the main thesis and clearly wins over the teams to the idea. How do you guys manage your coffee addiction? Drinking coffee and air chatting.

[4:29:18] That's quite literally me right now. This is also very interesting because I think I'm finally starting to understand what the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics as David Deutsch say. I think, I mean, I don't fully understand it. I don't know all the implications of it. But this really helped me. I think we should have an elaborate conversation on this. This is a brilliant episode explaining quantum fields and how they differ from waves and what are particles, forces and symmetries. And it's also promoting a little bit of the book that just came out this week, Quanta and Fields, which go more deeply into the topic. The author, Expanded Chits, is a brilliant move by AirChat. It reveals how much everybody is running and how long they really are, so you're not even starting to listen to them on your feed.

[4:30:13] Talk is long. Chits are short. the conversation is the reward. I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. All right, the latest track featuring Farwood is out. This one is called Angry, and I have experimented with a completely new style and new sound. So I hope you guys like it. Let me know what you think. Wow, congrats. That was a fast production. All right, guys, the latest mixtape is out featuring Firewood. Enjoy your weekend with this track. Hope you guys like it. Alright, the latest track featuring Farwood is out. This one is called as "Angry" and I have experimented with a completely new style and new sound. So hope you guys like it. Let me know what you think. Earlier this week, it didn't load any data while I was having mobile data only.

[4:31:05] When I went to Wi-Fi it worked. Maybe that was also a random thing. Didn't crash, but I didn't load anything. Halt and Catch Fire. Part AirChat. Is anyone here who has truly achieved stopping their mind chatter or their thoughts at their own will? If so, then I do see your guidance. If you try to stop them at your willpower or anyway you are opposing them, against them, fighting them, and this keeps you in the loop. So in order to have a quiet, silent mind, you have to become an observer, which starts to realize that, oh, there's a thought, it's now coming. Oh, now it's here, and now it's going. Same for emotions. Oh, I'm feeling hungry now. Now I'm really hungry, and now the hungerness goes away. Or I start to have a sensation of angriness. Now I'm angry, and now the angriness goes away. So if you become an observer in your life, then you start to realize that the thoughts as well start to silence and finally they will also disappear and you were never your thoughts.

[4:32:10] You can worry only now. Smile impacts others. This is an interesting take on BlueSkyNost Twitter and the state of social media at the moment, and whether protocols can survive, or more importantly, can you have a platform on top of protocol which is not captured by the governments and others because it will provide an attack surface. Here's the article, TechDirt is referring to an interview of Jack Dawson, which happened a few days ago. The whisper interface on ChatGPT is absolutely mind-blowing. I think it's severely underutilized, but I think I can fully hold a conversation with it for hours if I had to. It's so natural, and I'm also blown away with how accurate it speaks different languages, and that too in its native accent. A big use case for me is practicing languages by speaking to the whisper interface.

[4:33:08] And so, for example, if I were to speak to it in Hindi, it would respond to me and kind of go back and forth with me and correct me when I'm wrong or where I can improve on certain statements. It's like the best language learning tool, to be honest. Conversational learning is the best way to pick up a language. It's so good. You guys should play around with it more. A fun fact with Whisper Interface of ChatGPT is if you were to tell it to mimic a human way of speaking, which means, you know, have some filler words like mmms and ahs, and occasionally also have the breathing sound, you would be surprised to see how it responds. It is pretty much like a very human-like voice. Try it out. This is a place where everybody talks by themselves. But if you're lucky, others will join you and it becomes a conversation. Well, that's one way to do it. You reply to somebody's shit and then you start talking to yourself. So it's not technically any more self-talk because it's part of a conversation.

[4:34:01] By the way, here is a little bit more about the inner dialogue or maybe the lack of, if you have missed that conversation from early on. Hello, AirChat. Next week, I'm in London for the week. And I was wondering if there is anything that I need to check out, be across, see, do. I go to London all the time, but anything related to quantum, anything related to AI, anything created to tech and also related to the arts, because I believe that intersects. Let me know if there's anything I should absolutely be across. Good morning, Sips. Hopefully the weather is treating you well there. I saw this the other day and couldn't help off thinking of you and your love of Python. You know, I recently had to work with some TypeScript. And let me just say I don't enjoy it as much. I have to do it because it's part of what I'm working on. I don't enjoy it as much, man. And looking at that, if I saw that code, I would just give up.

[4:34:51] or I would just copy it and give it to, you know, GPT-4 and say, hey, can you just tell me what's going on here? Yeah, but that's terrible, man. That is actually freaky. Yeah, no, listen, whoever wrote that code was just trying to show how impressive they are. I don't even know if it's going to work or if other people are going to be able to work with it, but that's terrible, terrible, terrible code. Part three. We'd knocked on the door of the farmhouse and the door opened. The backs of my knees still shiver when I think of the moment I first saw her. The hair, those eyes, a bosom which newborns fantasize of. She shone through her simple dress. Naval, who was fluent in 23 languages and proficient in 17, told her of our predicament. She nodded, not a word, and let us in. She sat us down at the dining room table and cooked for us. And when I say cooked, I mean cooked. We had pasta, we had lamb, we had pheasant, we had duck, we had cheese, we had fresh tomatoes from the garden.

[4:35:47] We ate and we drank. The entire time, she cooked and she fed us. No words. At one point, Naval caught her watching me and he smiled. It was as if this gave her permission. She grabbed my hand, led me to the bathroom, and ran a bath. Now, I'll skip this part because, you know, baths are boring to describe, unless, of course, you are taking a bath with Maria. But I will keep that for myself. Afterwards, she led me to her bed. The next few days are a blur. I don't even know if it was days. perhaps it was an hour, perhaps it was a hundred. We were two animals, free, truly free, in the hidden garden of God. Not a word was said, only sounds. I will not bother you about the sounds. You would get bored. Unless, of course, you are making those sounds with Maria. If I may bear of myself for a moment, the intimacy with the yoga teacher, it was, well, about as exciting as doing a savasana. With Maria, it was thunder, it was lightning, it was a fresh smell of rain on the earth. One night, as I was dozing off in Maria's beautiful, awe-inspiring landscape of a bosom, Naval knocked on the door. Trouble, he said. There's a mob on its way. The mafia, I said.

[4:36:58] Pitchforks and torches, he said. Someone's not happy. Maria wrapped herself in a robe and rushed out to the living room. Sure enough, through the windows, making its way through the fields to the house, was an honest-to-goodness old-world hang-the-heathen mob. One way it is, and say hello to Luther if you see him there. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I love this, Petri, and it is in line with the thought that I've been developing. I'm realizing that it seems to me that sometimes, or most of the time, the terrible thoughts are happening because they are like a reason for terrible emotional state. That when you fix the emotional state, the terrible thoughts go away by themselves. I'm starting to think that the cause of terrible thoughts and terrible behavior is just terrible emotional states. It's a weird thing.

[4:38:01] I need to refine how I talk about it or how I explain it, but it seems it's a direction. It It reminds me of this experiment where they had these split brain patients and they would, you know, give instruction to the one side of the brain and then they would ask for an explanation which is done by the other side of the brain and the explanation didn't match the instruction. Which gives me that feeling that we actually use our thoughts as a reason or as an explanation for our emotional state. But actually the source of all of that is emotional state and when you fix emotional state, you fix the thoughts automatically. That's what I'm thinking. Dinner party with sour chats. Restless mind results most of the motion. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I love this, Petri, and it is in line with the thought that I've been developing. I'm realizing that it seems to me that sometimes, well most of the time, the terrible thoughts are happening because they are like a reason for terrible emotional state.

[4:39:04] That when you fix the emotional state, the terrible thoughts go away by themselves. I'm starting to think that the cause of terrible thoughts and terrible behavior is just terrible emotional states. It's a weird thing. I need to refine how I talk about it or how I explain it. But it seems it's a direction. It reminds me of this experiment where they had these split brain patients. And they would give instruction to the one side of the brain. And then they would ask for an explanation, which is done by the other side of the brain. And the explanation didn't match the instruction. Which gives me that feeling that we actually use our thoughts as a reason or as an explanation for emotional state. But actually, the source of all of that is emotional state. And when you fix emotional state, you fix the thoughts automatically. That's what I'm thinking.

[4:39:53] And your emotional state is partly dependent on the physical state you are. And that's partly dependent on what you've been, for example, eating and consuming in the recent hours, sometimes days. All the For You feed can do is filter what's on the app. And I kind of discover for a lot of people right now, there isn't anything that they'd be particularly interested in. So I'm curious if there's people who have a negative experience with the For You feed who still end up finding content they're interested in. And then the question is, why didn't the For You feed prioritize that content for them? That's an interesting question I can do a lot about. but just not having a good time with the 4U feed is like, I don't know, it might be that there's literally nothing here for them. Because right now I think the content is still pretty narrow. If you unfollow someone, there's no need to remove those from the 4U recommendations or from the feed. Now it seems that there are still quite a lot of those, and I think it would be a strong signal to remove that content from the 4U feed. I tried to get an app. I'm doing a main engine in Japan.

[4:41:15] start replying to those ones which you find interesting. This is for one-to-one conversations where anybody can join, but you can have a conversation with one people or with some topics and nobody can interrupt you. So this is a place to speak your mind. I was mostly just listening to different rooms and getting caught up. And when I wanted to reply, it was during a break. So I wasn't actively chitting and following every thread. But yes, There was a little bit of phone activity, but that's between me and the birds. Nothing wrong with a little bit of tweeting. Is anybody out there? Cannot confirm or deny. External conflicts are created by internal turmoil. I actually have never watched Rick and Morty, but it's the same concept of The Matrix.

[4:42:07] There's a lot of actually woo-woo concepts about this. You can look up pre-life instructions, lots of things centered around this idea. So I just took the opportunity to kind of be like, oh, and dive in on the concept a little more. Because in truth, it's kind of a more practical explanation of why in the span of the universe, dealing with concepts of matter being finite, energy being finite, the culmination of these concepts means that there is something else that happens after we give up the ghost, so to speak. So is that real life? And this also cycles into, you know, realistic dreams, lucid dreaming, how dreams can kind of trick us to be like we're living life, but we're actually in the dream. Is that another world? Is that another dimension? Deja vu? It brings all these concepts to the forefront. Well, actually more along the periphery of this idea of, well, maybe we are infinite beings and we're just experiencing human life as a means to cure us from boredom.

[4:43:14] And what if this is replicated on different planets or as different beings? This also ties into Buddhism, a lot of the Asian philosophies, Christianity, a lot of different cultures speak of an afterlife. So I just kind of wanted to put a little neat bow on it. And now that I've broken this down, I'm sure there are many other directions that people can take this concept and run with it. Brittany, I am also another human being who has never watched Rick and Morty. I don't watch a lot of TV. So this has been Kenzie. Your clip is my first Rick and Morty experience. Have you ever heard of the rubber ducky theory? it states that you can greatly advance your thoughts just by bouncing them off someone else, even if they're just there to listen, as a sort of rubber ducky, where you can speak and form your train of thought coherently for them. But really, you're doing it for yourself.

[4:44:14] And by doing it for them, it helps clarify the inconsistencies and form the cogent train of thoughts. Because when you say something for someone else to understand it, you have to make it so clear that it can exist outside of your mind. And once you have made something clear enough to exist outside of your mind, it tends to be easier to assess even for you. And then you can eventually advance it because now it's easier to work with since it's out of your own mind and is much more tangible. So it's almost like this rubber ducky theory of having another person is a hack to make your thoughts more real, bring them into the world. And I think air chat is the only social media I've seen that comes close to being a rubber ducky without actually having a person present. It certainly helps when people are asking me questions through air chat.

[4:45:06] But even then, just spitting a chip from the dome, like I am now, is forcing me to formulate the thought in a cogent way. In a way that I'd usually only be able to do when I'm talking to someone else. So I think this is pertinent here. Steven Pinker commented on the back of Super Abundance. He wrote that people don't depend on stuff, they depend on ideas. formulas, algorithms, knowledge, which allows stuff useless by itself to satisfy our wants. And I agree that that just speaks to the fact that we are capable of continually being creative and infinitely coming up with new ideas. As long as our minds are working fairly well enough, we are naturally creative and we are always going to encounter new problems, which is hopefully going to spark new levels of creativity, new ideas, we'll create new knowledge, and we'll be coming up with innovative, creative ways to deal with the problems we have, like we have all the way up until now. So I'm not quite sure why people are so pessimistic overall, and it is alarming because I happen to work with youth, and sadly, more youth, at least that I encounter, have rather pessimistic pessimistic or, on the other end, very unrealistic views of what the future holds. So I guess we'll see what happens. And the beauty of ideas is that once you have an idea that solves a problem for one person, it's highly likely to be able to solve that problem for many people. So in that sense, each creative human born is a lottery ticket for the entire species on the next Einstein, the next Mozart, the next Elon, the next whatever. Someone who will figure out a solution to a problem could be as simple as creating a piece of music that entertains people to creating an instrument that allows people to create new music to creating computer that allows you to create more kinds of musical output. So it's just so positive sum that I think we're still very limited in this running out of resources concept. Now, there is such a thing as public goods. There is such a thing as the commons. And we do have to figure out how to grow the commons and protect the commons. You know,

[4:47:13] prime example would be, I know many of my Indian brethren who are living in very crowded and very polluted cities, where the traffic is a zero sum game and the pollution, the local pollution is a zero sum game, it's hard to kind of see the forest for the trees. But I think this is where, again, we have to innovate our way out through terraforming, through spreading into new habitations, through cloud seeding, through desalination, through going to new planets, and to finding resources that are less polluting, like safe nuclear power plants would be a great thing. So there are ways out of it, but it's very hard to use your imagination on the upside, because you don't yet know what those creative solutions are by definition, or you would have already solved it. But it's very easy to be pessimistic and just look at the downside. But so far, fortunately, human history has proven us to be largely wrong. Part 2. We drove through Rome for hours, laughing, celebrating my freedom. Night came, and we found ourselves outside the city. We stopped at a gas station to fill the bug up, and got some bottles of wine. The wine sobered me up a bit. I felt moments of sadness for what had been. Naval, of course, would catch this, then let me be. But not for too long. Bro, he'd say. Life's too short to be with someone who puts their pain upon you.

[4:48:15] That would wake me up. Wise man, that brother of mine. We drove, slapping each other on the back, happy, drinking wine, celebrating. We just drove and we drove. I was free from the clutches of a yoga teacher who tuned my chakras with a switch. Then the car broke down. We were in Tuscany, I think. I did not remember. We didn't have a map. So we got out and we hiked through the countryside until we saw the lights of a farmhouse far in the distance. And we headed for the farmhouse. Before I go any further, I should tell you about the two hitmen, the nun and the Pope de Rope, or as they call him Italian, El Pope de Rope. The nun's weapon of choice was a nail-studded ruler. She sent many a man to meet El Cristo with it. El Pope de Rope, well, he had a Tommy gun he carried underneath that large robe of his. He loved that Tommy gun. He was a third cousin on a mother's side, or maybe father's side, something like that.

[4:49:05] Italians have lots of cousins. She was the brains, he was the muscle. Together, they were an interpoles most wanted. But that night, we knew nothing off them. We did not know that the yoga teacher and hired them to come after me. We were too busy enjoying my freedom. The night was ours. Okay, so on to the farmhouse. come on come on man the yoga dude who tuned your chakras with the switch i mean come on oh my brother listen that was beautiful thank you oh that was nice i laughed i laughed and i wanted you to hear how much that portion that specific sentence just got me Where's the Flat Earth and Conspiracy channel?

[4:49:56] Channels are a conspiracy. Only the main feed exists. Hello, this is Manuel. I will be your friend for today. And then at 5 p.m. when I get off of work, Manila time, my friend Philippe will take over and be your friend for the rest of the evening. We hope you've enjoyed having a friend. Please call back friend services anytime. Audio Entertainment presents pop music's new sensation Paula Abdul. Straight up now tell me who's it gonna be. Call me I've got news you can use. Straight up she's gonna tell you everything. Call 1-900-909-1800 now. Call me twice and I'll send you an autographed picture. You and Paula together. Just $2 the first minute, 45 cents each extra minute. Kids ask your parents permission. Paula's on a rocket to stardom. Call me now and find out why. Pick up the phone. Call 1-900-909-1800. Call me now. Running is great for multiple reasons but one of the reasons I really like it is because that helps me release bad emotions or suppress them, I don't know. There was a period of my life when I was really angry about a few things, and I would go for morning runs, and I literally broke three personal records in the 10K during a week just because I think I was too angry, and that helped me run faster.

[4:50:58] But yeah, it's a great way to sort of release my anger. Angry runners. Could be a new angry bird, or maybe a marathon, or maybe a movement. Is Siri just a front for OpenAI, maybe Gemini and other chatbots? The temptation for publishers is there to give access to authors' books for additional sales, or at least hope of sales, like search engines can give some advertising links. Maybe there will be something like that coming up. But is this good for the authors? And what about publishing contracts at the moment? Do they allow to give away your content for LLM's training and other purposes with the current publishing agreements you have? Creativity is the sound of silence.

[4:51:48] Arjun, happy birthday to you. I wish you a good health to you and people you love. Live your dreams. enjoy being yourself create the world you like to live in proud of you big time happy birthday happy birthday Arjun you made a smart mall the easiest runs are early in your life and the hardest ones are just ahead of you but meanwhile enjoy the ride that would add a nice layer onto it where it can choose to disobey it can choose not to respond to you or at least it can fake it but let me ask you in a slightly different way suppose that you are a young and lonely male and you need connection and you want to build connection and no human being is available to build that connection with you. And so people are saying, well, they'll just go out and do it with a chatbot, right? I find two problems with this. One is people are always putting other people in that shoes. Nobody is saying I would form a relationship with a chatbot. Everyone else is saying some other lonely, desperate individual will form a relationship with a chatbot.

[4:52:51] I always find that kind of projection to be misleading. If you're not willing to do it yourself, then don't so strongly advocate that other people can or should be doing it. Perhaps they will do it, but I just, I've never met anybody who said I would have a relationship with a chat bot. So if you're not willing to have a relationship with a chat bot, don't say that other people are. Secondly, let's try the following thought experiment. Let's say you say, well, I'm willing to have a relationship with a chat bot, or I could see a certain circumstance like the movie Her, where it's so compelling and so convincing that I fall in love with a chat bot. Well, let me ask you this. What if it turns out it's not a chat bot? What if you fall in love and then you find out it's actually a guy in the Philippines who's working at a call center, who's got a script, who's pretending to be female. Would that work for you? Arjun, happy birthday to you. Wish you a good health to you and people you love. Live your dreams. Enjoy being yourself.

[4:53:47] Create the world you like to live in. Proud of you, big time. Happy birthday. I sampled my dinner with Andre on this new song and accompanying music video. Enjoy. drinks. She beats you with a switch. A switch, damn it. She beats you with a switch. And I cried and I wept and I said, no, that means she loves me. The black eye means she loves me even more. And he said, no, that is not love. That is not love. You need love. You deserve love. And you helped me and I wept and I said, you're right. And then we ran out and we stole a car. I think it was a VW bug. And we drove fast through the streets of Rome where she could not find me.

[4:54:46] And we drove and we laughed and we laughed, brothers, one saving another. Part 2. We drove through Rome for hours, laughing, celebrating my freedom. Night came, and we found ourselves outside the city. We stopped at a gas station to fill the bug up, and got some bottles of wine. The wine sobered me up a bit. I felt moments of sadness for what had been. Noelle, of course, would catch this, then let me be. But not for too long. Bro, he'd say. Life's too short to be with someone who puts their pain upon you. That would wake me up. Wise man, that brother of mine. We drove, slapping each other on the back, happy, drinking wine, celebrating. We just drove and we drove. I was free from the clutches of a yoga teacher who tuned my chakras with a switch. Then the car broke down. We were in Tuscany, I think.

[4:55:32] I did not remember. We didn't have a map. So we got out and we hiked through the countryside until we saw the lights of a farmhouse far in the distance. And we headed for the farmhouse. Before I go any further, I should tell you about the two hitmen. The nun and the Pope de Rope. Or as they call him in Italian, el Pope de Rope. The nun's weapon of choice was a nail-studded ruler. She sent many a man to meet El Cristo with it. El Pope de Roque? Well, he had a Tommy gun he carried underneath that large robe of his. He loved that Tommy gun. He was a third cousin on a mother's side, or maybe father's side, something like that. Italians have lots of cousins. She was the brains, he was the muscle. Together, they were an interpoles most wanted. But that night, we knew nothing off them. We did not know that the yoga teacher had hired them to come after me. We were too busy enjoying my freedom. The night was ours. Okay, so on to the farmhouse.

[4:56:24] What's the response in kindness? Congratulations, AirChat. This is the first time I've ever done a four-hour drive without a single podcast or audiobook. All AirChat. Good morning and welcome to AirChat. Some regions are open, so you're probably in one of those unless they have completely opened without invitations. Hello. Yes, we can hear you. Welcome to AirChat. Hey everybody. First time here. Excited to join the conversation.

[4:57:14] Hey Fernando. Welcome to AirChat. The place to talk and have fun and jump into discussions. 456. Copy. Welcome to AirChat. Find your voice. AirChat. What are some of the most walkable cities in the world? Most of the European cities are walkable. Some of them are prettier than others, and they better side on only certain seasons, but walking in public transportation and trains make it easy to even walk your way through the whole continent. Don't seek happiness. Happiness is like an orgasm. If you think about it too much, it goes away. Hey guys, here's a brand new mixtape featuring Kenzie in ASMR style. Enjoy.

[4:58:09] Alright guys, the latest mixtape is out featuring Firebird. Enjoy your weekend with this track. Hope you guys like it. Well, hello friends. I haven't been using this much, but I wanted to just put out a question to those that are following me or have chosen to engage since I haven't been sharing much. What is keeping you up at night? What is making you most anxious these days? Is it the fear of AI going crazy? Is it the fear of a nuclear armageddon? Is it just social unrest? Like, like, you know, I for a long time, I've been a fan of Hans Rosling and the whole idea of the better angels of our nature and human progress. But it just feels like right now, most of the rhetoric is doom and gloom. Everything's going to hell. And it just feels like there's a sense making crisis and an epistemic crisis and a truth in a truth crisis. And so I'm just wondering where you guys are at and how you're parsing things these days, how you're making sense of things these days and how you find refuge from the anxiety. But things are looking great. Hans Rosling, Johan Udbering and others have stated that we are living the best time ever based on the wealth and technology and where humanity is at the moment. So all those things are listed. They're human made so they can also be taken away by human choices. So there's nothing to be worried about. You can build, you can create, you can be great, we can build, we can be great. It's our choice. But we need to put our act together and do those things. Things are fixable. Some of them are, some are. Obviously not. But there's no meteorite heading our way, and the doom clock is not ticking in 24 hours before it will crash us. So there's nothing like that happening. So keep up the good work, enjoy, smile, and take care of each other.

[4:59:50] The narrowest definition is that the Navar will find interesting people and engaging discussions. A little bit more wider definition would be that those people who like to have the same find this place and find it invigorating and thrilling. And then the largest definition is to make more people listen and have conversation and not just talk. Because talking is just one way. A lot of people want to talk. They don't want to listen. They don't want to have a conversation. They don't want to think. They don't want to have this back and forth. They want to talk and they want to have listeners. So this requires a little bit of change and shift within people and that might be a little long process or paradigm shift in expectations and how social media works. I'll read this reply is also so meta. Good one. Greetings and salutations, humans of planet Earth.

[5:00:42] This is Aloistic artist Vincent Wilhelm von Strader. Hope you're having a wonderful, blessed day and find something creative to do. Ciao for now. Apple has released that it was the internal team doing the ad, and now they are apologizing for the copying of the hydraulic press channel. Well, not that part, but doing the ad. Yeah, in the creative process, I'm sure there are many ideas people get inspired by, And, you know, you kind of can build on top of a concept of how to engage the audience. But what I saw with the LG ad was pretty much a ripoff in terms of the execution itself. The right up to the way the frame has been set up and shot. And, you know, that is what is, there's zero creativity there. It's just literally saying, let's do exactly that. Yeah, we just, you know, scale it up to show a much larger press going down on all these items. Altered Carbon, the sci-fi TV series, starts that with a plot.

[5:01:36] But if you're not the only one, or if all people can have that, and you can expect your lifespan being 1k or more, you will take the life differently from the beginning. Now you can have the 7-8 dogs, but if you will have 20 careers spanning 50 each, so you can focus on different skill sets, focuses, maybe regions, planets. You can see things in a different perspective. And that changes a lot. Humans are curious. Humans are also greedy. What is something you can do in thousands of years, but you cannot do in hundreds of years? What is something you can do in thousands of years, but you cannot do in 5,000 years, but you cannot do in thousands of years?

[5:02:27] So on and so forth. So it's only a matter of scale and your ambition and what's available and what you are capable of and what you can perceive as the limits are within your head and bound by the physics. Alter carbon actually shows what can happen when people, especially the elite, achieve a form of immortality through technology. In this series it seems like despite their wealth and access to infinite experiences they became profoundly disconnected, morally disengaged from the rest of humanity and is probably not just a byproduct of their longevity but they just couldn't find any meaningful engagement in their extended lives and it seems like they had done it all and they just became really bored with everything which led to very extreme extreme forms of hobbies so yeah i'm not sure i think if we had extended lives we might not be so different from the the mess from altered carbon. Yes, we will create the same mess if we are not cleaning our minds.

[5:03:34] It's all within. You cannot escape your reality yourself. You just create the chaos within, outwards, and the scene might be bigger if you have more planets and more places to go. But it's still the same games. We've been playing these games for thousands of years. That's why the classical literature and the plays and all these things, even hundreds of thousands of years ago, still resonate with us because the human nature is the same. And if that doesn't change and people are not really doing the inner work to change, there's not much expectations for things to change in the future either. If we extend lifespan, the greatest challenge is going to be boredom because the pattern seems to be that when you're young, you're amused by very short-term games. You're amused by playing soap bubbles or Legos that are right in front of you and have no longer term meaning. And then you go into video games and board games that might last you for days or weeks.

[5:04:25] And then you go into playing social games that might last you for months or even years. And you go into college and work and you play building company and career games and you play mating games that might last you a decade. And then you have children, you play the children game and that might last you several decades. And then you play the meditation and spirituality game and that might last you for many, many decades until you die. But if you have a lifespan measured in the hundreds and thousands of years, you're going to have to play really long-term games to hold your interest. And I'm not even sure what those games look like. Obviously they're open-ended, obviously they're infinite in nature, but almost any game becomes boring. So the challenge for any creature sufficiently long-lived is what game to play that I haven't yet seen through and that will last me until the end of days. Altered Carbon, the sci-fi TV series, starts that with a plot. But if you're not the only one, or if all people can have that, and you can expect your lifespan being 1k or more, you will take the life differently from the beginning. Now you can have the seven, eight dogs.

[5:05:18] but if you will have 20 careers spanning 50 each, so you can focus on different skill sets, focuses, maybe regions, planets, you can see things in a different perspective, and that changes a lot. Humans are curious, humans are also greedy. What is something you can do in thousands of years but you cannot do in a hundred years. What is something you can do in thousand years but you cannot do... Well, you cannot do in five thousand years but you cannot do in thousand years, so on and so forth. So it's only a matter of scale and your ambition and what's available and what you are capable of and what you can perceive as the limits. The limits are within your head and bound by the physics. If I was completely serious, then I would stop wanting things. It would actually come true.

[5:06:16] When you stop wanting things, you can start to enjoy things. I don't normally pay attention to these kinds of things. So I was like, ah, meaningless Twitter brouhaha about nothing. And then I went and watched the ad. That was absolutely horrific. It's as if whoever decided to design, produce, create, and ship that ad had absolutely no feelings whatsoever when those things happened. They didn't feel any of the negative feelings you would see with all those beautiful things being destroyed in slow motion. and all you would care about at the end is a soulless black tablet. The imagery was just absolutely awful. There was no empathy involved in the creation and production of that ad. That said, it's just one tiny ad. It's not going to make or break Apple. But I almost wonder who they're having create the ads who either has no emotional empathy whatsoever for the viewer, or they just decided to do it anyway because they wanted to shock you.

[5:07:06] Either way, it's not the bleed six colors fuzzy Apple I remember. By the way, I'm not criticizing them, believe it or not. I think that big companies do so many things, companies do so many things that mistakes are inevitable and in a way should be celebrated. You should have a culture that can make mistakes. That said, these people shouldn't be making ads anymore. At least the people in charge of this one, no offense. Have some empathy people. Apple has released that it was the internal team doing the ad and now they are apologizing for the copying of the hydraulic press channel. Well, not that part, but doing the ad. All right, so an air chat feature request. I think the actual idea itself is terrible. It breaks the network and there's a lot of issues that could come from it, but maybe the underlying idea and and need that I'm trying to solve is something worth pursuing and exploring. So the idea is anonymized air chat chits. And the reason why is there's certain stories, certain things I'd like to share. You know, some of the most interesting conversations in my life are actually the things I really can't talk about publicly. And I certainly can't talk about it on the internet under my own name, either for my own security reasons, or, you know, in some cases, there are people involved in these stories that I can't really reveal. And so I'd love something like anonymous chit opportunity where maybe it masks my voice, and of course, my identity as well.

[5:08:10] And of course, there's a lot of issues with, you know, potential bullying and spam and things like that. So maybe these are, maybe this is like its own channel that's curated, hand curated by moderators, which also, I know, terrible idea, not scalable, but that could be one way to start it. And I'm curious to hear people's thoughts. I don't know, there's probably a better idea out there from somebody, but does anybody else have this desire? This desire to share a lot of my stories? You mean it will be text only or the voice will be, your voice will be replaced by an AI voice, because otherwise it will be quite easy to figure out who is the source. Because if you want to have a little bit more privacy anonymity, even your speaking patterns should be broken up a bit. So if you're having a filler word source or phrases, those can be linked back to you with the material available. So actually it might be quite hard to put stories out there which are anonymous enough, depending on the seriousness of the case and how much material they put out. Except on EOZ.

[5:09:06] Okay, so this is the first time that I'm recording something on this app all the way from India. and it's pretty interesting, this concept. Let's see how much it catches on. And I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody else around the world. Welcome to AirChat. Yes, it's pretty cool. You can talk to people around the world. You can talk even in your native language and they will understand what you're saying because it will be translated. And this is the way also to interact and find fantastic people to talk with also topics, follow a little bit more people and roam into those topics and you will find yourself at home in no time. All is new. Friending is vintage. Talking to your phone is cool, like the boomers did. Playing Lotto is cool, like the boomers did, but with meme coins. So I did this with my coffee this morning.

[5:09:55] Was it poor coffee you tried? Sorry. Low ego, low drama, high agency, good judgment, high output. Integrity. You know, Kamal, I got to throw in a massive hell yes and to your comment here. Because look, you know, that Justin's original comment rankles me for a number of reasons, not the least of which I have, you know, intentionally fed my optimism bias with, you know, things like the better angels of our nature. You know, it pains me when somebody comes in to something so beautiful like this and goes, hey, can you imagine how this could be terrible? That's just lame. It's like walking in, you know, you know, Naval and Brian have created this thing that they have referred to constantly as like a really amazing dinner party. And, you know, it's just it's painful to hear like somebody go in and go like, wow, this is amazing. Hey, wouldn't it suck if somebody threw a turd in the punch bowl? Like, yeah, it totally would. And you know who keeps that from happening? Amazing founders who actually care about culture. You know, you reminded me, Kamal, of the impact that leaders, not just founders, but especially founders, have on culture.

[5:11:02] And that I love, look, I love wordplay in general. And I love the connection between culture in an organization and culture in yogurt. Because with the wrong little bit of bacteria, you can create some deadly yogurt. And the same thing goes for culture and companies. So, Kamal, thank you for bubbling this message up. Justin, you know, I understand the thought experiment and I hope that you will, you know, suspend disbelief that there could be something like a truly good social platform. I know we have had so many terrible examples, but we've got something really beautiful here. So appreciate the thought experiment, right? But I'd say lean into the positive side of this. And also if you like karaoke, we have a karaoke channel here on air chat. So that's pretty awesome. And you know what? If somebody wants to take my voice from the karaoke channel and make a fake voice and make money with that good on him i'm gonna keep singing tomorrow's are getting so sophisticated that if you've ever spoken if there's any default record of you speaking they can already clone your voice this is already inevitable the same like your fingerprints they can be taken from photos you show your car keys or house keys your physical keys in any pics that they can be copied a lot of things can already been done and it's part of the privacy which doesn't exist the Same with the DNA, dusting and spraying it around whenever you're somewhere.

[5:12:20] So all these arguments are getting a little bit tiresome, boring and out of date. So just enjoy, have fun, talk and yes, everything the above speakers have already said. AirChat is built by a solid team and they're doing their best and trying to keep this as a free speech platform. And also making sure that privacy is intact. The first rule of using the internet is you do not trust the internet. The second rule of using the internet is that you do not trust the internet. The third rule of using the internet is see rule one and two. I have no idea who this woman is. Never heard of her. Never met her. But if she actually exists, I wish her all the best. Mazel tov, Kamal. Mazel tov. I admit to being a little disappointed that I was not invited to the wedding or have even met your wife or now the divorcee that used to be your wife or the non-existent creature that the internet imagined to be your wife. But regardless, muzzle tov.

[5:13:16] If you've ever been thinking of buying a coffee grinder, check this video and you will run to the shop. And if you don't want to buy a coffee grinder and you don't have one, don't watch this video. I had another thought, which is everyone's pushing longevity, but are people really thinking about extending those periods that currently make up a finite life? For example, people often think that there is an exploration phase and an exploitation phase, where perhaps you develop your abilities, your talents, your niche, and then you go deep and you own that niche. I like to think about it as you get in your boat, your weird little boat, and you sail away, and then you're going for a treasure island. And on a treasure island, you dig in your own weird way, in such a way that you pile up the dirt, you dig and dig, and find the treasure, and you get it down. Your weird way of digging creates a moat, and on top of that is your castle, treasure island. In any case, wouldn't it be likely that as we live longer, that the exploration stage should be much likely?

[5:14:12] or that we should punctuate, probably this makes more sense, we should punctuate exploration with exploitation, so it's not just this way by way, exploration, but exploitation, but sort of a sign way. And maybe the same would go for that outward journey as we send the impression on the world, and then the inward journey that often happens with human beings. Why not punctuate it with another outward journey? We're going to do something that's more crazy and great in the world with all that additional wisdom. What do you guys think? If we extend lifespan, the greatest challenge is going to be boredom, because the pattern seems to be that when you're young, you're amused by very short-term games. You're amused by playing soap bubbles or Legos that are right in front of you and have no longer term meaning. And then you go into video games and board games that might last you for days or weeks. And then you go into playing social games that might last you for months or even years.

[5:15:02] And you go into college and work, and you play building company and career games, and you play mating games that might last you a decade. And then you have children, you play the children game, and that might last you several decades. and then you play the meditation and spirituality game and that might last you for many, many decades until you die. But if you have a lifespan measured in the hundreds and thousands of years, you're going to have to play really long-term games to hold your interest. And I'm not even sure what those games look like. Obviously, they're open-ended. Obviously, they're infinite in nature. But almost any game becomes boring. So the challenge for any creature sufficiently long-lived is what game to play that I haven't yet seen through and that will last me till the end of days. Hey, everyone. I'm interviewing Paul Millard, author of The Pathless Path, here on AirChat. But as usual, audience questions are encouraged. I'll post the best ones in my main thread with Paul for him to answer. Hello, guys. This is my first post on the air chat. I'm looking forward to meeting someone interesting and to talk about anything interesting at this moment.

[5:15:54] Yeah. Cheers. Hey, Sam. Welcome to air chat. This is the place to find interesting people, discussions, go deep, have some laughs, and most of all, discover, experiment, and have fun. Enjoy. Hi Patrick, nice to hear from you. I'm thrilled to explore more about the function in the air chat. Yeah, and have some fun, inspiring discussion with the people out here. Yeah, and hope you enjoy all the conversation with everyone here as well. Cheers. Thank you, actually. You know what's really funny? That you mentioned trains. Thing is, I'm actually currently here as... wow, bikers. Sorry. But I'm actually studying to become a train driver here in the Netherlands. Netherlands. So, that's actually really cool that you mentioned trains. I really do think they're interesting. I'm not doing this school thing for nothing, of course. It's quite expensive. Yeah, that's actually pretty cool. I've never been to Japan and to be honest I'm not really interested in Japan. Like, if it were in Europe and has a little bit of an easier language that would be nice but, call me weird, but I dislike being a tourist. Like I really don't like, for example, talking to my phone in public because I don't want to be like a tourist. I dislike tourists in general.

[5:17:20] They're like, they just don't understand the culture, which is annoying sometimes. And I don't want to annoy other cultures myself or other people by... But their trains, though, they are very cool. You know how fast they go? Like from videos, what I've seen, they only talk in like miles an hour. Like, what the hell are miles an hour? What do I have to do with that? We're in the normal metric kilometers an hour, that kind of thing. But from what I've heard, they go like 300 or 400 km/h. But yeah, the trains here in the Netherlands only go 200, which is still fast. I've actually driven a few. I've had an internship, so I've actually driven a few trains, which is really cool, going like 140 over just two things of steel, essentially. And also a high-speed train, technically. Yeah, high-speed train that goes 200, which is really cool. So that's cool that you mentioned that. That's really funny. And I think it's amazing you're a train driver. I've never met a train driver. I have like a million questions to ask you. I've always wondered, you know, with passenger trains, as they pull in station, is the train driver choosing the braking and how slowly they brake or how fast they brake or is that automated? Because it always seems so smooth. And outside of that, just like, how much fun do you have when you're driving the train? Do you ever do anything, you know, that is just pure fun that maybe you're not supposed to a little, but you do it?

[5:18:45] Kamal, this calls for proof of no wife. Naval already proved he's human. So how can you prove that you have no wife? Simple. I'm just too happy. At the end, I'm sorry if I talk too much. It's just that my overthinking tendencies are coming back. I'll try to work on it, and I just wanted to share what I'm feeling. Thank you for listening. Act, show, tell. That's the order. So if you're just doing things, it will send the most loudest message. if you can show people, that's the second best, and the third best is to tell people. But if you just act and it's publicly visible, that's the best way to do it. So enjoy, have fun. What part of what I said was not clear? Next level of air chat has been unlocked.

[5:19:35] We are now in the phase of lists and rules. And no, there's no rule number four. If you don't know where the rule number four comes from, this is a good place to start. and you will get more rules. Finally you stop talking about it because it's obvious. And that's one of the big problems with outliers and geniuses. They can't lay out the obvious, which is what needs to be laid out. It seems so obvious to them that they don't feel like they need to share it. Or it's the hidden obvious that they don't see that other people may need to see. And here comes the second-hand dealers of ideas, as Hayek mentioned many years ago and they have a role. These are the people who are taking their brilliant geniuses ideas and making them more accessible for the rest and they may become the most popular, the most famous, the most even richest of the bunch for those reasons that people know them, not the original thinkers who are not really interested of the fame and may be more interested of finding the new stuff, creating new things. So they are more doers than talkers. Yes, we know this is broken and direct messages. We're shipping an emergency fix for it. Just Apple has to approve it in the App Store.

[5:20:45] I noticed the order opening to expand doesn't always work even in the public chits. I actually prefer the previous one where you have to tap it to get it. Now the feed jumps quite a lot and sometimes there are cases where there's a link or something and the view completely skips over the chit so it's hard to get to that particular chit. You have to somehow trick the UI to allow you to see the chit in the main feed. The more you understand it, the simpler it gets. Finally you stop talking about it because it's obvious. There's something I've noticed about this place. It definitely rewards authenticity and genuine connection. It seems to reject while people that come here to gain followership and popularity, they flame out because it doesn't work like that. In order for it to stick for you, you need to connect with people. It's the only way it's going to stick. Any other way, you're going to find yourself frustrated and you're going to flame out. Coming back to the monetization, there are various ways if you have people and they are attracted and hooked and addicted to platforms, so they want to have that conversation connection going, so you can have extra services, you can have premium services there are tons of ways you can monetize if you find that people need the service so i'm sure there's a long list of things and patterns and ideas with air chat team how they're going to do it but at the moment i don't think they can implement them yet because it's too early but if you have people's attention you will find a way to monetize if it's important enough for those people and they are willing to pay for the service they are getting.

[5:22:30] Well, Petri, I love how you carved your way into the different conclusions, the different thoughts that you outlined above. And I must say that I enjoyed this morning's exchange. It has been a beautiful warm-up for my brain. And now I have to go back to my work and deliver a few goodies today. But this will be simmering in the background. And if something comes up, or if any questions come up that I may need your collaboration on, I'll just get back to this thread and fire up another one. But I loved it, and it has definitely been a beautiful experience this morning. The narrowest definition is that Navar will find interesting people and engaging discussions. A little bit more wider definition would be that those people who like to have the same find this place and find it invigorating and thrilling. And then the largest definition is to make more people listen and have a conversation and not just talk.

[5:23:27] Because talking is just one way. A lot of people want to talk. They don't want to listen. They don't want to have a conversation. They don't want to think. They don't want to have this back and forth. They want to talk and they want to have a listener. So this requires a little bit of change and shift within people. And that might be a little long process or paradigm shift in expectations and how social media works. Okay. I get it. words are not the meaning but there is something hidden inside that because i don't know why i was trying to define this now if you ask me why i was trying to define this term i don't know um there has been a germany of three years i still don't i never asked that question why i'm trying to define this it's the way it started i have been through a journey i joined an organization which used to call itself conversation media platform that's why i started that's when i started looking at my long term goals of my career also. So yeah, that's how it started and today I'm here and I'm I'm going deeper into conversations with kids, how do we actually train them. I'm a father to a 2.5 years old girl child. I try to focus on the conversations I do and the conversations she does with me and the people around her and the words we choose every day. So yeah, that's me.

[5:24:39] And thanks for putting in that belief, like putting that in that belief in me, words are not a meaning. I'll try to internalize that and come back to understand what exactly it means in my scenario. Oh, good day. Oh, and brother Naval, I can tell you, I understand why it is so difficult to explain what this place is. Because it's kind of weird, you have to feel it, you have to experience it to understand it. It's very difficult to put into words what it is that makes it special. and I think the hardest job for you and the team is figuring out how to keep the connections from those who are well connected who have a deep connection with each other to stay connected and not feel a loosening as the as the platform gets bigger I think that's the hardest task but it just hit me this morning that this is a this is a special thing and I think by the time the rest of the people pick up it'll be too late some years ago there was a book called category creation defining exactly this dilemma when you don't fit into any current categories.

[5:25:42] And if you try to fit in, it doesn't really match what you're doing, and it dilutes what you're intending to do. So the best thing, at least according to the book and some examples, is to create your own potential leader, then you're waving the flag. But it also requires a lot of education. You have to educate the market. You have to sell the initiative, and that's harder work than following somebody who's already been building the path for you. There's something I've noticed about this place. It definitely rewards authenticity and genuine connection. It seems to reject all people that come here to gain followership and popularity. They flame out because it doesn't work like that. In order for it to stick for you, you need to connect with people.

[5:26:32] It's the only way it's going to stick. Any other way, you're going to find yourself frustrated and you're going to flame out. There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you've already met, even though you've just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place, and it just works for decades, most likely. and the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. Then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? Petri, you totally nailed this one, man. Some people call this soul connections, perhaps from past lives.

[5:27:22] Some people would refer to this as human resonant field connection. But regardless, there are those people that give you energy after an interaction, There are those people that drain your energy after an interaction. And then there are those people that I would call meh or just dilute your energy by not adding or significantly draining. But it may be death of a thousand paper cuts because whether it's one interaction or a thousand different ones, you still ultimately get drained. And those people that uplift you, see you, inspire you, bring the best out of you and hold you to a higher standard of yourself, those are the ones that you want to keep close. What's the final boss on this level? This app is helping me deeply empathize with boomers. Hey Brandon, so you mean that talking to your phone by yourself doesn't look so silly anymore? Can someone provide me their thoughts on Osho's teachings, specifically one to two aspects of his thinking that you fundamentally agree with and also a couple of aspects that you disagree with to truly get a balanced view on some of his philosophies.

[5:28:32] So I'd like to hear both sides, and I'd be very curious to see what someone has to say. Hey, Dylan. Welcome to AirChat. There has been already some discussions about OSHO. You can try the search function to find those discussions and jump in. And I know there are some people who have been talking and mentioning OSHO. For example, Levin is one of them. And I also noticed that you're not following too many people yet, So I recommend you do that so you can get more people to see your posts and also feel free to jump to discussions. And this is the way to get to know more people and get your feed a bit more busy. Konnichiwa, welcome to AirChat. You can speak your native language and people can see the translations so everybody can communicate. Hey, how are you guys? This is my first time to use AirChat. It's opening now in Africa.

[5:29:24] I'm so happy to use it. This will be my first post ever to use this app. Welcome to AirChat. Excellent. This is the place to find new people, discussions, topics, have fun, and also find other people from your region. For example, I know there's an awesome person in South Africa called Sips, and I will tag him here, so maybe you find something in common. Hey, everyone. My name is Adit. I'm 19, and I post stuff on LinkedIn, YouTube, and some stuff on Twitter. Still figuring out air chat, got an invite from one of my close friends and glad to be here. Let's go. GG. Hey, all right. Welcome to the future of social media. This is the place to have awesome conversations, discover new things, go deep and have some fun. Enjoy. Mulvar upped the game on traffic surveillance prevention with the latest tool available on Windows at the moment. But as we see more of the devices starting to do things with AI LLMs on Edge, locally there are already new trends with governments to start to want to put some malware surveillance software back doors within those devices. EU is once again trying something new.

[5:30:35] I've been consulting the log and I'm optimistic about the future. So I think the ideal investor for me with you know a company that I've been launching over the last year is really someone who is going to hold my feet to the fire and really push me to go and just absolutely dominate the space and achieve whatever it is that I'm trying to do quarterly or on a yearly basis. And at the same time, I want someone that can be a sounding board, can be a connector between people that can bring strategic value to the business. And at the same time, just someone who can be overall a good person. I think that's the biggest thing is if you have someone who is not only aligned with you from a business perspective, but a personality perspective, then you're untouchable. Usually when entrepreneurs are choosing an investor, when they're in the lucky position of choosing an investor, especially in Silicon Valley, they tend to choose the one with the best brand, regardless of what they say. True preferences are revealed, not necessarily expressed. And so you'll constantly see over and over again, entrepreneurs just choosing the highest branded investor. And why is that? Are they naive? No, it's because brand provides signal. And the most difficult thing for a startup is being taken incredibly. So to gain the credibility that it needs to access resources, financial resources downstream in a series of subsequent rounds, recruiting hard to recruit engineers and candidates, getting landlords to give you office space, getting partners to partner with you, getting customers to take a bet on you, it helps to drop the name brand to say, hey, we're part of the Sequoia family or the Andreessen family or the Sutter Hill family or what have you. So entrepreneurs tend to choose brand. However, I would argue that the other thing that they should really, really, really look for and emphasize possibly a lot more than brand is conviction. And that's conviction on the part of the investor. Because you want people who really believe in you. And not just for foofy reasons. It's for very practical reasons. When you need to raise more money and you have your back against the wall, will your investor support you? When your co-founder quits, will your investor support you? When your biggest partner leaves, will your investor support you?

[5:32:32] Investors have lots of resources at their disposal. They are very well connected. They have lots of money. They have lots of contacts. But are they going to deploy those resources for you? Are they going to spend the time? Are they going to give you advice? Are they going to push you to be your greatest. All of that is a function of conviction. So what you really want to test in an investor, if you have the luxury of choice, is you want to test their conviction in you. You want and you deserve believers. But of course, you have to have the luxury of choice to get them in the first place. You know, maybe because I'm a thousand years old, and I've been through this loop in many conversations and social groups, where I start giving somebody a good old fashioned hard time and then one or two people or everybody is just like this guy is just a rude jerk and then eventually people understand that I'm having fun with myself because you know I'll make fun of myself as much or more as teasing other people and I think what it ends up doing is it actually gets people a little bit out of their script and it ends up creating some real trust between people strangely enough because you know sometimes there's a little bit of truth in the ribbing and it's not like a hard truth so it doesn't matter that the truth is there but it helps people lower their guard a bit because they feel like they're in a situation where they can speak a little bit more freely and when they see one person kind of go out on a limb and walk on some eggshells and even you know break a few of those eggshells and everything's still okay it gives people a little bit of a license to do that. Now, you know, I'm a pro at doing this, where I don't get too many people upset with me. I'd say eight or nine out of ten people get a good time out of it and laugh, and maybe one person gets upset, and, you know, that's okay, too. But, you know, you got to get practiced at this, and you got to come at it from the perspective of actually trying to bring joy into people's heart, not try and be witty and have a clever cut of the other person. The purpose is to actually, you know, bring joy to everybody.

[5:34:30] Farb, you should write Arjun a song, then all of your critics on the internet will know you speak for love. Low in the sky sun rays. Catching them early this morning. Rely on institutions to advance them. And this is where I think startups will be super key. And I know Duval has mentioned before that the future will be around startups. And I think, or at least I can't agree, or I agree very much. And to the point where if you're not involved with the startup, I think you're missing out. Now, here's the question. What is a startup? A technology startup is something that sets out to give people what they want at scale that they cannot yet get. Impromptu AirChat meetup in Kyoto, Japan. Talk about impromptu. It was completely impromptu and random meeting on the street.

[5:35:23] Tom and I were walking back after a big yakitori meal. And literally, I heard someone say, are you Kamal? And we tried to run, and there is this lovely group. And one of them said, I forget her name, sorry. She said that Tom and I were walking, and she heard us talking about AirChat. They're like, oh my god. And here we are. Random, impromptu, serendipity in Kyoto for via AirChat. But to tear down a factory, or to revolt against a government, or to avoid repair of a motorcycle because it is a system, is to attack effects rather than causes. And as long as the attack is upon effects only, no change is possible. The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself. And if a factory is torn down, but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory.

[5:36:16] If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produce that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves in the succeeding government. There's so much talk about the system, and so little understanding. Robert Persig, Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. You know, this reminds me of Bookmeister Fuller's words where he says, Instead of fighting the existing reality or system, build a better reality or system that makes the existing system obsolete. And the quote that I shared from Robert Persig's book, what he's talking about here is the ways in which we think, the ways in which we produce thought, et cetera, et cetera, and versus looking at the external things that are going on and just trying to put bandages on bullet wounds.

[5:37:10] if we see things that need rebuilding, but we use the same thinking to destroy them and then rebuild them. We're never getting anywhere. We are actually static, even though we might perceive it as being dynamic. And I think this is so important. Impromptu air chat meetup in Kyoto, Japan. The feed can be seen as an open elevator. I can try to pull a picture out of those ones. Those are the old ones, but I don't know if that helps, but it's just an idea if you want to do it that way. "Hi from the elevator." That's my guess. I can't really read it. There are no rules for air chat. Air chat is so humbling. It makes you understand how many filler words you use, how many ums, so, like, and yeah, and having conversations where you end your sentences with, uh, yeah. Oh, I did again. You get better by practicing and there are also some techniques. If you don't know what to say don't fill in with the filler word just pause the feed can be seen as an open elevator i can try to pull a picture out of those ones those are the old ones but i don't know that helps but it's just an idea if you wanna do it that way not by the elevator but recently there was a member of parliament who was involved in an incident with a gun some conferences set the stage so you can be properly dressed and it switch the occasion and there are also some latest malware protection moves, demonstrate it live. Welcome to the 4U feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues.

[5:38:46] Yeah, welcome everybody. Lately I've noticed that I think it's the 4U feed. Maybe both feeds are starting to jump around and you'll lose your position in the feed. This would not be an issue if the feed would not refresh, so you can always get back to it. But for example, I just wanted to reply to something. I needed to fetch a link when I came back. I couldn't find that shit anymore, anyway. And I even tried to use the search for it, but it's all gone. I don't know what's the fix for that one, but just FYI. Breaking stuff creates stuff. Is that what Apple was telling with the iPad video? There's already a fix. Arjun's paradox is that he's supposed to be smart, but he doesn't listen to me. Maybe that's all the beef there is. "Play long-term games with long-term people" that's just a little quote from somebody special. Welcome Oliver. Long-term games with long-term people and short chits on air chat. Enjoy and have fun here.

[5:39:41] Okay so this is going to be my first post or whatever you call it on this platform but plan is to like use it more often since communication is one thing that I plan to like get better at and I think this could be a better way to like put it as a way to like put it as a way to like. an accountability thing where I post more often since it's out there, it's online, and people could see it. So yeah, that's the plan. And one thing that I like about this, about this place is, I feel it makes you sound better by like increasing your speed to 2x by default. Welcome and enjoy air chat. Follow some people and join some channels and start to dive into the conversations and that's the best way to explore and get the most out of this platform. Okay, so what percentage of people drink their coffee black, in your opinion? Hard percent of the respondents in this shit.

[5:40:40] Meme coins are younger generations, let's all. Levon is an absolute go-getter when it comes to replying to people's first messages. Lifetime deals are perfectly fine, especially when you're first getting started, and especially when you have a product that has no marginal cost to you. If you were actually having marginal costs as a result of long-term usage, then you may regret it. For example, I remember when Tesla was offering lifetime-free supercharging, and that turned out to be a poor decision. They had to walk it back or at least attempt to. But since your product, I think, has no marginal cost going onwards, I don't see why you wouldn't do lifetime deals. Airlines used to do that, and they deeply regret it, at least some of them. An allergic reaction in a building full of pollen? Impossible. But no, the symptoms started in Japan already. It's the stress starting to build up already in Japan for you knowing that things are not gonna work. And you have to build the contingency plans for the contingency plans for the contingency plans for the conting Kamal, curious to know how do you go about deciding who to vote for? My least favorite thing on this planet outside of large spiders and and reptiles that bite you is talking about politics.

[5:42:09] The luck of a rainbow involves not only being lucky with the weather conditions but also lucky in terms of where you are with respect to the angle of the sun and where the rain is falling. This is a rainbow that just happens to have formed right outside my window, and I just happen to be in the right place at the right time and the right weather conditions. I must be standing at very close to the optimum angle, namely 42 degrees, between myself, the droplets of water in the air, and the sun. On the All In podcast, Chamath said multiple times that he believes TikTok is recording while the app is closed and it has access to the microphone. Well, I think this is such a huge point. I mean, on the iPhone, for example, on my iPhone at least, I see an orange dot when my microphone is activated.

[5:43:00] So I have the TikTok app. And when I'm not using it, this dot is not lighting up. It's a huge point what he says. And I see no one talking about it. Like, what's your take, guys? Does he just throw words believing they mean nothing? Or is this something actually happening? or actually possible to happen. You know, you give all these apps access to a lot of things, and I think the CCP is the last organization that you want to trust with sensitive information or privacy. I would like to know, how did you develop self-love? Through acceptance, seeing what is, and facing it fully on. I'm curious about the creative process for episode production. For purely entertainment purposes, Seinfeld had comedians in cars getting coffee going 10 years ago.

[5:43:52] And he was talking to a lot of people he was working with while he was doing Seinfeld. But there are also other people. And it's not your guide to understand things better. But maybe it gives some insights and at least some entertaining moments. Public service announcement. If you're reading a shit and you think it sounds rude, I suggest you listen to the audio. It may change your mind. Like this one. Do you work for Clubhouse? Any clubhouse spy would have to deal with Paige, and I promise you, sincerely, that it would not be pretty. I'm interested, Mr. Stephen. How do you approach a new subject that you're not familiar with? Do you have a process that you follow that has been honed over time, or is it just so intuitive that you cannot break it apart and explain it to somebody else? The usual way is I'll read a lot, get frustrated that it's actually hard, hate myself for a while, decide I'm stupid, give up.

[5:44:53] Maybe I'll think it's time to get a different career. Then I'll try again and a couple of more things will make sense. And then I just sort of keep repeating that cycle until more things make sense. And that's it. Air chat. More signal, less noise. It's high quality and sound. you're interested in and it just but i like i said i happen to know that was one resource for doing it and i know people that you know do well with it it's just it takes it takes a lot more effort than people expect absolutely and especially if you already have a platform meaning you already are a recognized voice or actor or anyone who already has a audience following this will be giving you a lot of new opportunities because if you if you can choose a known voice versus something ai generated and it's something special something unique something which is worth of something, then definitely you most likely will choose something of those existing artists or recognized voices. And sometimes it doesn't need to be a famous person. It just needs to be feeding your purpose, but it's a real human voice. Absolutely. Because I've done like, you know, some course creating and I have courses on Udemy anonymously. I have courses on, I had courses on Skillshare and, you know, other places like that. And the thing is, is that nowadays it's like, I can have ChatGBT, write me a structure for the course, write me a script for each lesson, then have a voice clone of myself read off all of the scripts that were written by ChatGBT, bring them into Pictory, have Pictory create the videos for that using my own voice, you know, from the voice clone, and then have an entire course done within a week if I wanted to.

[5:46:51] And that's now. This isn't the infancy I could do that. So the opportunities that are going to open up are just going to be mind-blowing. Hmm. This might work out. The person you're looking for might be listening to your chat in their main feed. Next. Hey Matthew, thanks for the quick summary. Saves me having to go look it up. I will say though, where's the AI announcement? It's, you know, there's been this ongoing debate on this app about whether Apple will be the late mover in AI and do something spectacular or if they're going to fall flat on their face. I'm a little bit more in the latter category because I don't think they're very good at cloud services. But they're definitely people who are hardcore Apple believers. So where are you, Apple? Where's AI? I don't think the world is waiting with bated breath for slightly faster and slightly thinner iPads. We want something new. The development event is coming soon, so they are saving it for that one. Meanwhile, elsewhere.

[5:47:44] Fun fact of the day, Chuck Palahniuk wrote two sequels to Fight Club, and the main character is actually named Sebastian. I tried to read a Chuck Palahniuk novel, and it was unreadable. He is obviously a crazy person. Whoever managed to make Fight Club into a movie deserves an award for translating it on screen, but boy, it was really, really difficult to read anything written by Chuck Palahniuk. It took a very special screenwriter or producer to read Fight Club, the book, and decide he was a genius and that it must be made into a movie. You tell me. It seems to be that this is not just a mixtape. It is probably a trailer soundtrack for the movie. So this is getting out of hand soon. The link in my chat, but apparently it may not be visible to you. Now you only need the cameraman when the Russian is chasing you after you released this on Spotify. and that could be a pretty good opening scene for the movie, don't you think?

[5:48:34] You tell me. It seems to be that this is not just a mixtape. It is probably a trailer soundtrack for the movie. So this is getting out of hand soon. Well, I'm paying attention and you never know. But I can also sense some thread in this thread on copyright issues. Should I be concerned? Now you only need the cameraman when the Russian is chasing you after you release this on Spotify. And that could be a pretty good opening scene for the movie, don't you think? Can we rebrand cancel culture and flip the lens on ourselves and all become enlightened nobodies? Anybody? Anybody? Nobody? It's just a matter of time. Cancel time. Cancel me. Cancel thought. Now I'm free! Yeah, that'd be pretty entertaining.

[5:49:23] Question for all you rascals. What's something new in your life right now? Maybe a skill that you're working on developing? maybe a new interest new hobby a new rabbit hole that you've gone down something you can't seem to get out of your head do you want to know more about what is it what's something new that has grabbed your attention lately i would love to hear more about it one idea that has been on my mind for a while now is to make a movie i really want to make a movie and it's not like a long-form movie maybe something which is like under 15 minutes. And every time I'm out walking on the streets, looking at buildings, looking at people, I've got these ideas coming in. So I want to do the sound engineering for it. I want to direct it. I want to cast some actors in it. So this has been on my mind. So I'm kind of studying about moviemaking. That's my current interest. I'm over in the Ko-fi channel dropping bangers and verbally accosting Arjun. And Brett Hall is over in critical rationalism or whatever that is, talking about infinite versions of you in the multiverse. And so, you know, we are not the same. My chits will help get you high, you know, just flying on caffeine. And his chits are just going to scare you and make you have an existential crisis.

[5:50:41] I don't, you know, you have to make a choice, people. The Coffee Channel or critical realism, whatever they call it. Make a choice. Pick a side. That's hilarious. LOL, I should say at this point for readers. I don't know how to take that. Am I really scary? Is that really scary? I don't know. I think it's far more frightening that you're apparently I've just taken I just snuck a peek at the coffee channel. And it would appear to me the casual observer that you're trying to get a teenager hooked on drugs. But you know, You see, we can all read into what's going on here on AirChat in different ways. But, you know, you do you with the Arjun and ways of getting more stimulation via chemicals. And I'll do me over here with philosophy.

[5:51:29] Aren't we supposed to be talking soon about physics and nutrition and longevity? We'll have to do that now that I'm back from my overseas jaunt. Bringing this back to coffee, all of this is only possible because of the caffeine. It takes some time to figure out what it really means to come to the coffee discussion. Coffee roastering is not that obvious after all. How about if I started recording tricks that sounded a little bit more like this? He can't be that smart. He had me on his podcast. Smart people make blunders. Einstein called denying the expansion of the universe his greatest blunder. Maybe this is just Ajun's. Does anyone on air chat have experience writing for comedy TV shows?

[5:52:26] Where else can you hear Talking Frogs mentioning Taco Tuesdays and existential questions by Popper mentioned within the same 10 seconds? What's going on, good people? I need your help. What do you do when your kids do something so egregious, so blasphemous? It puts your mind state in a place that gets really dark. You know, so the other day, my boys were outside playing basketball. And I homeschooled my kids, so they have some freedoms to go out and get active throughout the day, you know, earlier if they would like to. I feel like I failed at some point because giving them the freedom to do certain things and not being in a traditional school setting, there are certain things that would never cross their mind. And one of those things happened. And, you know, I'm outside watching them play and it's getting real competitive. The little one is crossing over, pulling up, you know, calling out Curry and the big one's playing real good defense. But then I looked down and I looked at the big one's feet and I'm like oh no I failed as a dad and it's one of those things that if you're in school you would never think to do it but because they're not he's done it and you know the only thing that comes to mind was the ninja turtle effect so I attached a picture down low help me help me with some results some some result a lot of people hate on this and i understand it looks a little funky but the japanese did this for a really long time and they invented the katana which is the best sword known to man so we spent the day in galveston and it was absolutely fine i have no idea what uh everybody is getting so worked up about it's a perfectly nice little place. I cannot help but to notice that this was Stephen's last message. Blocked and

[5:54:33] reported this is for coffee only and not that kind of garbage coffee that Arjun is drinking, the mocha pods or whatever nonsense he made up. Mocha pod. Now we established early on, Arjun, Tom, Farb, that this is a space where our coffee is metaphorical. When you say let's go get coffee, you don't make your friend order coffee, so anyone is welcome to discuss their hot beverage. It's just that we coffee people probably feel a moral superiority here. LinkedIn will be the new school for AirChat. They will make so much money selling courses like how you get rid of your mmm and other filler words on AirChat. How do you roast a guy and have a continuous conversation going for hours? And how do you have deep philosophical questions while you're sipping coffee and laughing while posting on the main feed? The complexity of air chat. While you're sit posting on another thread and waiting for the come back, you go to a discussion group and talk some serious quantum physics, and then you come back roasting again on a coffee channel while you're waiting for the two other ones to come back to you.

[5:55:42] There's nothing like humming or singing at the main street. Because nobody cares. Because nobody can hear you. Your voice is lost in the sounds of people, in the sounds of the honks and the horns, and the vehicles and the tyres, and the wind. And it feels great. Promise me this forever We'll always stay this way We can start at the end of time And do it all again Alright, I have a new rule now. To listen to music, I can only listen when I'm coding. Other than that, no stimulation. You're coding in order to listen to music or you listen to music in order to code. Welcome to AirChat.

[5:56:29] This is an open and social public messenger. It's designed for civil and authentic conversations. It's voice first. You push, talk, release. That's how you get the message out. Yeah, that's right. And I am somehow speechless. It's understandable. It's hard to monetize here. This is kind of an odd thing to say, but I actually haven't read a lot of books with unreliable narrators that I really like. I read the Book of the New Earth series, but I felt like it just didn't really provide quite enough. The main character is clearly bullshitting for the majority of the story, but it doesn't give enough clues or raise enough questions that I found it was particularly enlightening, though I like the series overall. I really like the concept and want to see it executed well, but haven't found anything that does it in such a way where I feel like it's really been explored to the levels that I would like to see it. Also, Sigil, if you can't trust the narrator of your own diary, I'm a little concerned.

[5:57:18] I'm familiar with those code words. Enjoy your detail. And since you're not drinking coffee yet, there's also a coffee channel and it's hosted by Dawn. Sounds like you guys are taking shitposting to next level. It's so cool that people are actually following. We're just like a couple of random dudes having friendly manner on the internet. And yeah, interesting that that catches people's eyes. Just random dudes talking to each other could be a marketing line for Seinfeld. Sounds like you guys are taking shitposting to next level. And the name of the movie might be For Funerals and a Wedding. Good morning, guys. It's 5.48 a.m. I may or may not have down 150 milligrams of caffeine. That's all good. Enough coding, but also editing and setting up the AirChat TikTok. So if you guys can go and follow us and like some of our posts, we're getting this ramped up.

[5:58:14] I'm editing some stuff that is raising the bar to what was posted prior. But it's gonna be good. It's gonna be juicy. We're using Premiere Pro now. Let's fucking go. I've been training up Ben and Anderson to learn how to push these out to Ben, as well as Serbian and Aket. We are going to be giga chats at getting all of your bangers on here, packaging them super nicely, and then sending them out there. So stay tuned. Lots of upgrades coming. hey unity yeah i watched the video that is a wacky song and the part that's funny is that like and also i think like the part like when he's like stay in europe till i die like that part like i was like okay that like i know he's being funny but a little like i think that might lose something in translation but but at the end took me i was like i was like of course you have to have the obscure burning house at the end because you know it wouldn't be european if it wasn't something like weird but when you mentioned about his father i was like okay now i understand what that meant but at first i was like but yeah but it's funny because he kind of visually resembles a friend of mine who's a magician and so he's just like a blonde version of my friend um and then the the sticking out of the uh the blue outfit was reminding me of klaus nomi used to wear those sharp uh outfits with it that were like kind of angular and everything but it was a funny song for sure what's funny over here some of the tiktokers have started to use this um german hip-hop song that uses a german tongue twister um it's uh and they're dancing over it often but i was like i was like i was seeing it so much on tiktok that i was like what song is this so i I searched it out, and then it's about a woman named Barbara who makes rhubarb pies, and I have an aunt, Barbara, who's a baker.

[5:59:45] So, you know, I was like, I've got to send this to my aunt, Barbara. But it's a wacky, wacky, it's another one that's kind of wacky and silly, but it's catchy, too. I get it in my head sometimes. Here's a close-up of the coffee. It's mild-rooper diner flavor, bringing me back in time to my waitressing days. I'm familiar with those code words. Enjoy your detail. Look, if you and I are not going to make it, then nobody's going to make it. Sounds like you guys are taking sitposting to next level. If you want to get real hardcore, you want to get the whole setup from fellow barber. You want to get the scale. You need to get the temperature-controlled kettle. There's also the scale. You also are putting the scale is measuring not just the weight of the beans that you're grinding, and you need the grinder, but it's also measuring the weight of the water that you're adding, and it does a whole calculation to tell you how many grams of water to pour into it for how many grams of beans that you have.

[6:00:37] and to be honest if you're not doing that I think the pour over is a bit you know misguided because otherwise you're just basically making you're just being a human you know coffee brewing machine if you're not dialing it in with that level of precision it kind of doesn't end up at the experience that doing it that way is supposed to do for the last one you'll probably need something from Elon Musk's latest inventions I think roasting others should be allowed in this channel because it's a coffee channel. Get it? Please tell me that was funny. Would it make sense to change the name of the room from coffee to coffee lounge? Because people want to talk about tea and the release and other rooms like that. So it's like a coffee shop. So you can talk about roast and do different type of things here. So it's like a lounge.

[6:01:24] I'm just going to leave this here. Not even Freddy. How do you write an FAQ before the project has started? Well, he said upcoming project, that means that he has the idea and it's about to be launched and probably already built, but just not yet launched. So it's clearly possible to write FAQ for something like that. It seems that you're not following many people, only five, so follow more people and you will get no stuff on your feed. her little haunches are highlighted at all she's like the perfect markings the perfect colors that doggo has been earbrushed page was painted from up above oh she's so perfect oh i bet she's got the softest nose i just want to oh she's so cute oh she's so cute oh look at her the little that little pig oh my gosh oh my gosh she's so cute oh she's so she's so beautiful little pt she's so good she's so she's so perfect somebody make an audiobook of kenzie talking about page You're ready.

[6:02:56] Are you willing to die for your beliefs? Many have, but only when it stops being a theoretical question. Hold down to bookmark. I'm just going to leave this here. *sad song* Post your sidiest picture. Here's mine. This one's probably mine. Make kindness your currency. Spend freely. Better yet, she's an air chat influencer. Does she already have a huge button to push and it will record a message directly to air chat whenever she please this. Oh, she knows how to push all the buttons. There's nothing worse than finally giving up and leaving the jungle and then somebody digs 20 feet to the left of where you were and finds a treasure. Those cult dickers. Startup pirates. Any funny transcriptions? Here's one. supposed to say VC, venture capital money. I feel like this is true and it made me think about Cast Away, like the OG movie, but like everyone's on their own island or every company's on their own island and they just have to survive the longest and maybe the rescue boat comes with a big light and that light is product market fit or something. I don't know. This is me just talking, but I think this is all true. I think every take in this thread is true. It can also be a mirror's light and the name of the boat is VC money. A startup is extremely hard because the market is extremely competitive. Everything that makes sense to exist already exists. So you need to find something that doesn't make sense, but needs to exist. And how do you find that? Because all our education is done in groupthink. So we are never taught to think outside of non-obvious ideas. This is extremely good for consumers, because it leads to having a better life. But it leads to a hard life for the founder for the entrepreneur because at least in the beginning because everything that needs to

[6:05:06] exist exists so what's your purpose then what will you build the my answer until now is that you figure it out one day at a time by iterating and experimenting not getting too attached but to stuff my analogy for building a startup or a new product in the marketplace is imagine that there is a big jungle and everyone's wandering through different paths in the jungle and there's buried treasure there but you have to hack your way through and endure all the insects and all the animals and all of the difficult things about survival. And all of the pads are well-trodden. Everybody has already looked for treasure. So you literally have to go out deep into the jungle, into a part where nobody else has wandered before, be cutting, cutting, cutting with your machete, getting bitten and stung and attacked. Everybody has to tell you you're a failure and a loser and you're wrong. You have to feel like you're a failure and a loser and you're wrong until there's some small chance that you might stumble onto buried treasure. Because as you say, it is an efficient market out there and all the easy pads have been trodden. If everybody agrees with where you're going, then you're going someplace where there is no more treasure.

[6:05:58] I am not the droid that fears the sock industry. Socks up, or else. But also, I never use alarms. There's like, you know, barely ever a thing I have to use an alarm for. Like, you know, a 6am flight. Fuck, that's tomorrow. A friend of mine made a confession later on in his life. He said that, yeah, he didn't use alarm. He had an early flight, maybe 6 o'clock or whatnot. And it was a board meeting. And, well, you can guess the rest. He missed our flight, but it was an important meeting, or I guess it was. So he started a private jet and flew there, so there are always ways. Some are just a little bit more expensive than setting up your alarm. Yeah, we got a little bit over-caffeinated and some things happened. Whoops, it's getting serious when coffee crimes have been committed. Well, that is an idea to block FARB.

[6:06:48] I haven't blocked anyone so far, so that would be quite the honor for FARB. But no, don't worry, I'm totally just kidding too. I just thought it was funny that things were getting out of hand in the coffee channel. You would expect that, I don't know, in some other channel. But I do think it's very important that you're drinking proper coffee. So I wish you the best of luck in your coffee pursuits. Maybe we have to start from descaling first. My mum always taught me from a young age that it's better to give than to receive. And I thought that was a really important thing to consider. Then I read a book called The Go-Giver. And I think it's a really, really good book. and I'm curious to what other people's thoughts are about it. But the thing I got the most from it, personally, was it kind of showed me and got me thinking about how to receive things well. And I think sometimes that's something that doesn't get considered, and people find it difficult to take compliments, to take gifts, to take offerings from others.

[6:07:45] And that book was one that kind of prompted me to consider the polarity. I think this is because sacrifice and persistence and dedication and grit are not as loud as success. I did. A few years ago, for a month or two, I used to meditate up to eight hours a day. Like in one sitting, more or less. Meaning that I was stretching my legs after a few hours, going to the bathroom. But then sitting again. By sitting, I mean going back into half meditation posture. like butterfly or whatever it's called. The thing is when you meditate like eight hours in a day, you are in a meditative state the entire day. So you're in alpha the entire day. There are two ways I like to describe the pause.

[6:08:36] One, if you go and watch a martial arts fight scene, if you watch Jackie Chan at full speed or Bruce Lee at full speed, you can't, it means nothing because everything is so, so fast at the same cadence. But when choreographing martial arts for a film or for TV, you see a bunch of flurry, then a pause, then they look, then a pause, then a bunch of flurry. Speaking is like that. If you listen to spoken word, you'll hear the pause. And when you hear the pause, it takes your brain from one segment to another. Same with an excellent speech. So if you have a chance to go watch some Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Kung Fu Theater, then listen to a little spoken word, you'll start to pick up where those pauses are and you'll start to feel they're not awkward. They prepare the listener or the viewer for the next segment. Our brains can take it in. That's how I think of the pause. And by the way, I started to study the pause because in the beginning of my teaching career, I don't teach now, but in the beginning of my teaching career, kids would look at me and they'd say, miss, I don't get it. I don't get it. You don't get what?

[6:09:32] It, any of it. And I realized I'm a New Englander. We speak fast. We don't suffer slow, relaxed speech very well. And it was just too, too much. I looked at the way I received instruction, than the way I gave instruction. And I started studying the cadence and the path and the organization of speech a little bit more. If you want a great example of somebody who uses that pause, I say perfectly, and this is somebody I thought, wow, you would be a fantastic teacher. Before I knew he was, in fact, a fantastic classroom teacher, is Brett Hall. Find anything, I don't care what he's talking about, but listen to the cadence when he's explaining something. And I think that's also an example of an audio version, an air chat version of the well-played pause. the expert pause. And to top it off I took a photo from a bridge. That's a row of restaurants going all the way down along the river. It's beautiful and standing there just all these people walking by listening to the sound of someone playing the saxophone. The city is so alive. So this here is the bar of the hotel I'm staying at, The Six Senses. It might be the most beautiful bar I've ever seen in a hotel. And then I sat at the counter with the bartender and it was actually empty. Just for a couple of people. Basically empty. And they were in the back. So it was just him and I, we were talking.

[6:10:52] And he pulls out these bottles with beautiful cherry blossoms in them. And they were cherry blossom alcohol. So we tried each one. You know, when in Kyoto, drink cherry blossoms. This is like that old Green Day song, which says, you say it best when you say nothing at all. Which in my opinion is the politest way to tell someone to shut up. When is silence enough? I think Kauris Mackie was studying exactly those early directors and films, and he's been taking a lot of influence from those ones, and you can see it in his films, about the sound effects and how horribly wrong they can go. Here's an example of a Bond movie from the 70s. I think it's in around one minute mark here, but you get the idea. I don't know what they were thinking or what they were not thinking, but it's just horrendous times.

[6:11:44] It must have been different. What helps you outrun mediocrity? Stay out of its way. And I don't believe on those happiness indexes or whatnot that they always put Finland, if not the top, the most top of the tells or some other stuff there. But I think at the bottom of it, it's being more like a genuine, real, authentic. And all that fake small talk, all that fake smiles, all those things which are just the facade, those consume something in you. And they're not, it's keeping up the appearances, it's high maintenance. And that's what it's all about. And the Finns are just not doing that that much. So there's that. I totally agree with you. I've been to Norway. It's not a very happy place. It's cold. The hours of sunlight are weird. And also it's pretty dirty and grimy. Never about the external circumstances. I spent quite a bit of time in the UK, and you learn there as well that the overcast and weather has nothing to do with your mood, and when you're in the north as well, that's the same thing.

[6:12:38] But it's that happiness is a subjective matter, so there's no way to measure it across people. When is silence enough? Silence exists outside of time. It's boundless in its true form. It can't be measured against any standard. It's a state of being in anything else as a disturbance that, once removed, reveals the inherent wholeness of silence. I think it's pretty interesting to see how much value creation can come from boring static HTML pages. I'm thinking of things like Hacker News, Y Combinator, or just like the static, unstyled sites of people, individuals who are just sharing information. Because people who are creating a lot of value for society reside on Hacker News. that's just a thing and it just reminds me that the primary characteristic of the internet in the context of helping human civilization is in sharing information with each other not creating distractions and experiences like movies and video games not that those don't have their place but it's not the medium but the merits i think it's pretty interesting to see how much value creation can come from boring static html pages i'm thinking of things like hacker news y combinator or just like the static unstyled sites of people individuals who are just sharing information because people who are creating a lot of value for society reside on acro news that's just a thing and it just reminds me that the primary characteristic of the internet in the context of helping human civilization is in sharing information with each other not creating distractions and experiences like movies and video games not that those don't have their place but sit up straight in bed and meditate meditate with watching your breath it's not that hard just close your eyes, watch your breath and commit to yourself that you're not going to get up until you're either meditating or you fall asleep. The reality is when given the choice your mind will choose falling asleep over meditation. That's it. But you do seriously have to meditate. Don't go with any third choice. You're not getting up, you're either meditating or you're going to sleep. Those are your only two choices. Have you tried to do the meditation last thing and the first thing in the morning? So in both ends it doesn't need to be that long but just to do it as a practice and before your brain wakes up in the morning you just go back to it and it may set the day for you and

[6:14:46] then during the day you can come if you do it same position i mean same physical position so you can mentally go back to that place and it may also help you to restate that same state so tamir anyone that has worked with me will tell you the best thing to do is to give me the problem and leave me with it for a couple of days or maybe even a full day or two days just let me suffer with it and then let me come back and let's have a meeting and then you start explaining to me what you think i'm going to be missing but giving me something and giving me the explanation up front never works that's just my brain my brain needs to wrestle with a problem before it is ready to receive a solution and actually understand it so it's like suffering is absolutely essential for me to learn without any resistance i get bored and my learning becomes very shallow If I don't feel like a complete fraud and a failure at some point during the learning process, then I don't think I've actually learned a thing.

[6:15:47] When is silence enough? When someone is suffering. Silence is enough. When someone is suffering, they're crying. What I do is sit next to them. I might put my hand on their hand briefly and just sit. That is when silence is enough. Post your serious picture. Here's mine. Tagging Brett Hall, this is a good question. If the universe is deterministic, and if there's no probability, and God does not play dice with the universe, then how is it that a photon can take one path in one universe and a different path in another? Didn't his latest episode, The Time Part 3, at least partly answer this question? At some point, you have to let go of what you thought should happen, and just live in what is happening. Back to reality, Part 1. There were certainly smartphones before that.

[6:16:34] It was communicated by Nokia, which has email, fax, and it has tons of features and functionalities and apps. And Symbian had app stores, so you had games, and you had all those things going on there. For example, Sony Ericsson had also cameras. There were a lot of these functionalities which were even missing from the original iPhone. It didn't have the app store, if I'm correct. It had only its own apps in there. So it actually lacked in the functionality in the original iPhone. They came later. But what it has was that touchscreen. The others were still with that screen where you need to push and it's the pressure system. And that wasn't good for the multi-finger things. So you couldn't do those things we do now, like the zooming and all those things, because you need two fingers and two points or more points to the screen at the same time. And you couldn't do that with the pressure system easily. So in that way, yes, they reinvented the smartphone, but there were certainly smartphones and even more functionality before that.

[6:17:25] Nokia had even a gaming console type of a mobile phone and they had a platform. So there was a lot of innovation happening early on. that iPhone changed the game. We're playing definition games, but I would say that the modern smartphone was definitely invented by Apple and everything that came before it was just a jumbling together of features on top of existing phone software and hardware. Apple completely reimagined it from the ground up. And again, I say that this is true because you can see that after Apple had done so, and then it was obvious to everybody, every successive smartphone has looked like Apple's. They've had multi-touch, they've had soft keyboards instead of hard keyboards, they've had app stores and so on and so forth. Really what Apple did was they packaged up the pocket computer and they created a proper pocket computer that was all displayed, and they called it a smartphone. They left it in the phone kit, but it was a cellular, although even there they went out of their way to put in a strong data plan and make it data first. It was really the world's first viable pocket computer without a stylus and without a keyboard.

[6:18:15] And after that, as an afterthought, there was a phone feature or just for the connectivity for the computing part. So I do think it was categorically a different device. You can always say something with something else. It's just a naming game. You can say humans are monkeys, which is technically true, and I say that all the time, but yet humans are human. At some point, there is an emergence into a new platform. and that is what the iPhone was. The iPhone moment, it was a real moment. Yes, it was a paradigm shift and it has shifted completely industry and you can obviously see it also. Nokia went down, Crackberry went down, all the traditional manufacturers which were strong and dominant incumbent players, Motorola's, you name them, they went all down. It was all completely different ballgame, different players coming in. So yes, it was a paradigm shift, yeah. Yes, I think they absolutely reinvented what a smartphone is. The iPod was a reinvention. What an MP3 player is.

[6:19:04] It was so unlike every other one. The Apple Watch. Similarly, there were plenty of smartwatches. Apple redefined that. I'm not giving up on this one. I'm going to die on this hill. There were certainly smartphones before that. It was communicated by Nokia, which has email fax. And it has tons of features and functionalities and apps. And Symbian had app stores. You had games and you had all those things going on there. For example, Sony Ericsson had also cameras. There were a lot of these functionalities which were even missing from the original iPhone. It didn't have the apps, though, if I'm correct. It had only its own apps in there. So it actually lacked in the functionality in the original iPhone. They came later. But what it has was that touchscreen. The others were still with that screen where you need to push and it's the pressure system. And that wasn't good for the multi-finger things.

[6:19:56] So you couldn't do those things we do now, like zooming and all those things, because you need two fingers and two points or more points to the screen at the same time, and you couldn't do that with the pressure system easily. So in that way, yes, they reinvented the smartphone, but there were certainly smartphones and even more functionality before that. Nokia had even a gaming console type of a mobile phone, and they had a platform. So there was a lot of innovation happening early on, but iPhone changed the game. "Frederik Bastiat's The Law: What is Life?" by Erwin Schrödinger, "Counsels and Maxims" by Schopenhauer, and of course I hope you read David Deutsch. Indeed, and if you go to the Bastiat's original, I think it's even richer. And because there's more difference in time, the points are probably more clear. This is really what the movie Inception should have been about, about everyone having that dream about missing classes, failing their finals, and then finally, in the end, they break out. then they can have the sequence where the nightmare really didn't end.

[6:20:51] It just shifts and you can go on for probably the next five movies. Something that I've noticed that's different about this platform relative to, say, Twitter, and I've seen this actually play out in some incidents here, is that people who behave in certain ways on other platforms that maybe don't possess so much emotional intelligence or social awareness of their actions, it's more poignant here when you behave badly. and it's more likely to get called out. You can't perform here. Any performance is obvious. It's really about one-on-one conversations. I'm so sad. My breakfast taco spot is closed this morning. I don't know why, but I'm so hungry. I just wanted a taco. You run out of flights. Recently, I went to Japan and all I had was hand-drip coffee, and now I can't stand the espresso I make at home using my mocha pot.

[6:21:40] Does anybody have any great drip coffee maker recommendations? There were some recommendations going in the previous air chat, but I guess that's nuked. But I think in the coffee group there was already something earlier on. Have you checked that one? Then there's always the option to go for the AeroPress. And that makes smaller portions for one or two cups. But if you have a grinder, you can control and it could be the quality you are getting out of it. And I will be an active member of that channel. So please let us know if you make that. I don't think I want to do a co-hosting. Sorry to let you guys down. I don't care about LinkedIn enough to do that more than just random jokes once in a while. A friend of mine used to be the editor-in-chief of one of the largest newspapers, and he said that in the opinion pieces, when there's a back and forth going with some discussion, you don't need to say the last word. and that's stick with me so it might be a good idea here as well you don't always have to have the last word on anything well i just had a funny thought i was in the airport um recently after a trip to cyprus and we got into a little bit of um uh some people who was queuing for the luggage thought who was pushing in the queue and started arguing with one of my um children but they're young adults and um this girl was you know she kept kind of arguing etc etc and i i just eventually i just said to her you know you have to have the last word don't you and she commented back is that so and then as soon as she said it i just closed my lips and never said anything and um she i just left her there stunned it was um it was one of them classic moments i probably can't describe it well i won't be able to describe it as how i experienced it but it was uh from a last word perspective. It was a nice closing silence from me. All of that said, another conversation this platform helped me realize that part of the issue here is that a Siri type thing has to be close to perfect. It can't hallucinate on you when you're trying to navigate your phone. So it's a much

[6:23:46] higher bar than just having an LLM that is spewing verbiage, which is right 80% of the time, but wrong 20% of the time. The bar for a utility that has to work 99.9% of the time is just very different. Absolutely. I remember many years back, I went back to physical switches, buttons and whatnot, because it was easier than using Siri, which was more convenient, but it was unreliable. And whenever you push a button, it does the thing, and there's no questions, there's no back and forth. It just works. So yes, if you're using Siri type of thing, it just needs to work every time. Max discovered the secret of Finns. You know, Petria, I don't know you, and I don't like what you're saying to me, but I like how you're saying it, so I like you. Thank you, Fab. The compliments are flying today in my direction. You know, Petria, I don't know you and I don't like what you're saying to me, but I like how you're saying it, so I like you.

[6:24:37] When is silence enough? When you're speechless. Or breathless. Air chat makes it abundantly clear that most disagreements are a discrepancy of understanding and not a discrepancy of values. There are even laws similar to Murphy's law or some more, Weo's law. All human communication fail except by accident and there are a few other axioms. When is silence enough? When you're ready to witness the wisdom. And live in the wisdom. When is silence enough? Most of the time. When is silence enough? Sometimes I think your silence can mean more than any of your words ever will. Silence is the canvas for the rest. Okay let's try again. I'm humbly honored by this wonderful recommendation I got today by a dear friend of mine. Last week I learned that there's no difference between OF and LinkedIn and I forgot to put my buy me a coffee link here. And I think when it comes to Apple part of how you know they are the leader is that they can do no right. If they don't release an LLM, they're falling apart and failing, and it's over for them. If they released one that wasn't perfect, they would be falling apart, failing, it's over for them. This is the position that leaders have, is to essentially, and I've always maintained this for leaders in general, part of your job is simply to take abuse from every angle. You take abuse from above, you take abuse from below, you take abuse from the sides, and this is part of your role and your function and the service that you provide. For me as a leader, it's actually helped me to see things that way instead of it being something that I try to avoid or look at as a sign of my failure.

[6:26:21] I'm like, no, in fact, this is my job is to, as Peter Thiel says, eat the shit and eat as much of it as you can at once. And in doing so, you're providing your service and your value to the system. Weirdly, this sounds better than, hey Siri, okay Google, who says it's not a new LinkedIn. look at the endorsement I got today from ADM. Well nobody did but you compared it to LinkedIn and it's not a good sign you know and it's not a compliment as I noticed lately. Okay let's try again. I'm humbly honored by this wonderful recommendation I got today by a dear friend of mine. Are the notes to self and the DMs encrypted? In the previous air chat there used to be end-to-end encrypted but I don't think it's implemented yet here. Yeah sorry for that last part as you may know I post air chat when I'm walking the dog um and also I didn't mean to say that I don't think you care about safety. It's just that I actually discovered air chat when people on thread started talking about it and it's a it's lack of moderation and the delete air chat hashtag started sort of trending at least in my in my feed but um that's a whole other issue and it's a really really hard one to to figure out so I didn't want to sound flippant. My other observation is I just scanned the text from my previous post and it's all one sentence. Is that how I speak? I'm gonna have to listen to it because I'm gonna have to learn to start putting pauses in because otherwise it's going to sound like, I don't know, Ulysses by James Joyce, complete stream of consciousness, which perhaps is the point. Anyway, thanks for replying on Naval. I really appreciate that.

[6:28:08] So a couple of quick points. The reason why it put all of your conversation in one long sentence was because the AI that does the transcription didn't detect enough pauses or break words or stopping points. So sometimes it does screw up. Sorry about that. As far as people going on some stupid thread about delete air check, it doesn't have moderation. We absolutely do have moderation. We just don't believe in censorship for political views. And this woman came in, she got pretty mad at us because She wanted certain accounts suspended. We suspended them, but it wasn't enough for her. She wanted to play professional victim. So she made some raving threats and then went off and, I don't know, posted some stupid thing elsewhere. I honestly don't understand. We have moderation. We just don't believe in political censorship, but we absolutely do stop people who are engaging in harassment or even just general rudeness. So in that sense, it's much more like a house party or dinner party. You know, if you're witty and civil and polite, you can express your point of view, and that's kind of how it is. Obviously, we're still figuring it out. But, look, you can never satisfy everybody.

[6:28:56] Everybody is going to say, oh, here's a platform. Let me try and control it with my personal points of view. and they're going to try and do that. And this is just a case of someone who tried to do that. So you can give them credence if you would like, but I think they're frankly a bunch of lunatics. Looking forward and good night, sweet dreams. Lately I've been digging all the references that you pick out of novels, a chat and put it all around the world just to sprinkle it on everyone. Yeah, it's a little bit of curation and digging out all the conversations. And if anybody else feels like doing the same, it's also a good practice to remember and get stuff which you know you were part of but mostly and most likely not a lot of people have seen it and definitely no one who is new to the app so it has multiple purposes. Dossi left the building on Blue Sky and he also donated additional 20 plus million for open sets and 5 million of that went to Nostre development. Wow FAQs does anybody still read those on the internet? My experience has been that if it's not obvious how to do it people won't do it and this is one of those features that we kind of made up so it's not gonna be known by everybody but as soon as people see it being done they ask others at least that's how it's spread so far we'll continue working on it thanks for the feedback and i'll copy Arjun Kemani so he can indeed add it to the FAQ in case anybody ever reads it for those who want to read the FAQ would it make sense to hide it on the user settings profile user settings somewhere there and just put it as a link there so it's easier to find. E-chat is the new Quora, Reddit, fitness app, health app, meditation app, meme generator, but in a nice community respectful way. Today was a beautiful day, now it's time for me to go to sleep, but next week I'm going to be exploring Bitcoin and I'll be sharing my learnings as I go along and using it as an opportunity to continue to hone my skill of explaining things.

[6:30:52] And I will try and explain it so that even a high school kid understands it. So that means that I'm going to butcher it a couple of times, but it's all for good fun and for learning. So stay tuned and have a beautiful day or evening, depending on where you are. Over and out. Looking forward and good night, sweet dreams. This one made me laugh, Petri. I really cracked myself up. Thank you, man. Thank you. Can someone explain to me why they're with someone as a significant other who they argue with and have fights with? I absolutely can't do this. To me, your significant other is supposed to be the least stressful relationship in your life. The one relationship where you're not butting heads and arguing and fighting. In fact, I'm never in a relationship where I have arguments and fights. If that's what is going to happen, I'm not going to be in the relationship.

[6:31:45] And I actually never enter it until I verified that this isn't the pattern of behavior that I have with this other person. Are you willing to die for your beliefs? I'm willing to fight for my beliefs so I can live. I mean, not in terms of real people one, but in terms of backwards New England one, it works. Here's a funny story. My wedding. My sister almost got on the wrong flight and would have ended up in Manchester, three hours away from my wedding. And yeah, that was funny. I don't think it's a theme song. I don't remember. I think it's somebody putting together the best parts or some clips from the series. Yes, mid-journey all the way, for sure. For sure. Dali in particular cannot not rewrite your prompt. Of course, the chat GPT version is intentionally going to rewrite your prompt.

[6:32:35] But even if you use the DALI 3 API directly, even in the documentation there, they say you can't turn that off. And you can try by basically yelling at it, like, please, please, please, I'm testing this. Do not change my prompt at all. And it's still going to even rewrite certain words and stuff. So you just do not have the control that you have with mid-journey. Yeah, I agree. I think my journey, intimate journey, definitely started off as and is still really more just like, what happens when I put these words and characters and things into this input? And what kind of images do I get out of it? And what is that kind of, like, where am I in this space within this model? That's really what got me into it.

[6:33:23] I do quality assurance professionally, so just testing things out is fun. And as a byproduct, you get pretty images a lot of the times, which makes it even more fun. And then I actually did a lot of mid-journey for quite a while before I actually started posting it anywhere online. I was like, huh. I wasn't doing research. I was just experimenting and playing around. And I'm like, hmm, it kind of feels weird that I'm just generating a bunch of images for myself to look at. And that's how I kind of got into the AI art community on Twitter or x.com now. And there's a whole bunch of people doing really cool stuff on there as well. Yeah, to me, it's mostly the fascination of what can I get out of this when I put these words in here. And especially now that they've got all of the different types of references that you can do.

[6:34:19] I'm having a ton of fun with that. The newest thing, I think they recently added random style reference, which is probably not that useful. I found out about it because someone was posting about how dumb it was on Twitter, and I'm in love with it. Just because I get so much variety. I like to use character references now in almost all of my images, and throwing in that random style is a super fun way to just explore around. I found a lot of really, really cool styles by doing that. But yeah, Majority for me is all about just exploring. And as a byproduct, I get pretty art that I can share with people. Yes, exactly. All of these kind of, I don't know if they're mainstream, I guess, is maybe the right term for image generators like Dolly and Bing. I'm not sure what else is out there.

[6:35:09] They're really for people that just want a neat image. And they'll let the AI system write whatever prompt it is and guess what they were trying to ask for just to get a cool image right away so they can kind of move on. And I think that other than mid-journey, there's, of course, like stable diffusion that you can like really, really dig into all sorts of interesting experimentation and stuff. But to me, you can't get the prompting is very different for stable diffusion versus mid-journey. And it's like you can have a really basic minimal, even probably a bad input and still get really interesting looking things in mid-journey much more often than you can with stable diffusion. Although I do think that the latest version, stable diffusion 3, is probably going to be pretty close to mid-journey. But I don't think I'll ever move away from mid-journey.

[6:36:03] And yeah, I did used to share my prompts a lot more when I would post things on Twitter. but now that most of my input is images for reference, and then just a couple words, it's kind of pointless to share the prompts, since they're not gonna get anything close to what I got with those words. But I'll post a link to this site that I put my art onto. It is a little NFT site. The whole point of that site is they let you do it for free. And my job is in, my day job is in blockchain stuff. So it was a fun little way to experiment with combining or playing around with NFTs and getting to post my AI art. Yeah. I think I find it sometimes hard to just pause because it just creates this like awkward silence sometimes.

[6:36:53] And everybody hates awkward silence. On air chat, most people won't even notice that you have paused because they'll be busy reading your message. But that aside, even in real life, I'm telling you, people don't mind pauses. They really don't. And if you're concerned about the uhs and ahs, which also people don't really mind that much, just pause. Try it out. Give it a shot. Only once you replace it with pauses can you tell me if the uhs and ahs are better or not. Until then, it's just academic. I think it's a really valuable meta skill to learn how to create environments that allow the reality you want to bloom to bloom in. Instead of being so impatient about wanting to have it right away and trying to brute force a reality that is not quite ready. Just apply the fully automated test mode. Fully automated Jess mode. told is not the eternal quality. The quality that can be named is not the eternal name.

[6:38:12] And I think that that speaks to what he defines as dynamic quality and static quality. Words can only take you so far. They are substituted for the real experience, and that cannot be described. It needs to be experienced. What is an intellectual? Someone who talks without work. That's really common. When you're a founder, you just run extremely high stress. People don't realize how high stress it can be. Many of the founders I know who lost their hair or had acid reflex problems or gained a lot of weight or even contracted worse diseases did it at the peak of their stress. It is absolutely true that stress ages you. Just ask your local startup founder. rather well-known entrepreneur in the Nudick. He was pretty close to die in a matter of hours because of exhaustion. And yeah, it's completely real and you can do that. And there's so many stories of that. The stress can kill you. So be aware of that. Yeah, so true. I often think that a translator should have some background in poetry because poetry, you capture feeling with words.

[6:39:13] While I was translating some of the Friedrich Bastiat's most famous works, I realized that the three English translations, which I thought were the major ones, all had completely different takes on the original text, and most of them, if not all of them, didn't really get all the nuances and the message for what was said by Bastiat. I think they probably were not economists, they were not familiar with his ideas and thoughts, and that probably showed in the translations as well. And that was only evident when you went to the original native text. All right, beautiful people. It's my afternoon drive on Sunday as usual. And I've tried to record this message multiple times because today I'm just filled with so much love in my heart. And I want to say to each and every one of you guys that I love you. And the people that I get to talk to and engage with here have served me with so much of themselves and their generosity.

[6:40:14] It's a beautiful thing. And I'm filled with gratitude. And I'm constantly thinking about how can I serve better. But as I'm thinking about that, I'm realizing I'm so grateful for you guys. I'm grateful for this place. And my heart is full of love. So have a beautiful day. And you must know that your life matters. You are important in this world and keep shining your light. Keep making contributions. I love you guys. I love you guys. I love you guys. And listen to this. James Blake is killer. Have you ever had scripts with your podcast or has it always been just speak what you're thinking?

[6:41:21] With topics that are a bit out of my comfort zone on AirChat, I thought about having a script, but then that kind of defeats the purpose of speaking what you're thinking on AirChat. So I haven't done that, but I'm curious. If the scripting is just questions, questions, questions, and then answers, answers, answers, and it's not a conversation, it's just Q&A, it becomes boring and predictable and not so fun, because all the fun usually happens on those spontaneous things, and there's probably something worth probing or going forward and talking more, and it's not maybe the next question. but if it's sticking to the script that doesn't happen. I used to listen to conversations with Tyler but it was so scripted it became boring and I haven't done that for many years now. I found myself saying you know a lot on here and on podcasts and in general and AirChat has for the most part helped me stop doing that stop the ums and the trick is really to just pause.

[6:42:22] People don't pause because they think that they'll lose the other person's attention. And I think even worse, they think that it means that they're not smart if they don't know what to say in every single second. But that's generally not how people work. Some people do. There's plenty of smart people. And the best orators in the world don't say, um, they don't say, you know, they speak, they pause. And in fact, pausing has the opposite effect. It makes what you're saying more powerful, not less powerful. But it only works if have something to say. If the pause is too long or the speaker is so slow to come to the points, you will just drop because there's nothing worth waiting for. I love the work of Robert Persick and I think the book Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is a really good one. He also wrote another one or his notes were published after he passed away which is called On Quality and that's a really good book based on his reflections around quality and he kind of makes a distinction between dynamic quality and static quality and I think they're really good distinctions he kind of cross maps them over to different other kind of philosophies like for example in Taoism the Tao he kind of says that it could easily be replaced by quality and in buddhism the dharma he talks about the same thing and i think the distinction is really good he kind of points to that we've got some level of awareness of the dynamic quality and when we kind of look at things and label things as having quality then that becomes static and i think that's a very useful way of looking at things in terms of imitating i think schools in large part sadly tend to be more about memorizing rather than understanding and what most teachers miss is that when you teach you learn and when you learn you teach and it's a symbiosis where if they can get these fires burning then it becomes a reciprocal

[6:44:34] interplay of thoughts questions ideas and an exploration of where we might be ignorant or where we are ignorant and I think that's really important and the sad thing is that when a child's given formulas and told that if they memorize the formula they will get certain answers which will give them certain results which will get them classed as intelligent etc etc the teachers to some extent have to fulfill certain criteria so it reinforces a bad system and tying this back to Robert Persick he talks about the system and he talks about in one particular paragraph I remember it because I've quoted it a few times that what we tend to do is trying to try to improve systems that are need actually need destroying or you know a new system needs creating and what we tend to do is just add band-aids to bullet wounds well don't get me started I was born in 1977 the year the original Star Wars came out, episode four, and I grew up learning the words, the entire transcript of all the first three movies, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi. I was blown away, I can still remember, being so impressed as a little toddler, and probably up to about five years old, me and my friends that I had, you know, family friends, you know, sort of their children that I'd hang out with and watch Star Wars over and over again. The scene where Darth Vader is holding one of the rebels up by one hand and interrogating him. This was the scariest thing I'd ever seen and the strongest villain I'd ever seen. And it was just from that moment onwards captivated by, you know, what sort of power does this guy have? And then slowly unveiling this bright line distinction between good and evil. You know, it's a classic story of good and evil.

[6:46:20] I'll throw in a little bit of trivia here. Darth Vader, my favourite character for the entire, throughout the entire series and he's become a favourite character of a whole new generation of people because he's just emblematic of a complex evil character. Well no evil characters are really all that complex but admittedly Darth Vader does have. It's thoroughly revealed that he has some complexity, there's some depth there. Some people don't like the Star Wars movies. I don't like the Star Wars movies when they're portrayed as science fiction, of course they're not, they're just space opera fantasy but and I'm completely biased because I was brought up on these things and I loved the music and at the time when I was growing up it was the most advanced sort of way of filming something like that using miniatures and so on and so forth but my little bit of trivia is Darth Vader put out George Lucas put out this false rumor about Darth Vader retroactively trying to make things fit a story which I don't think he really had in his mind when he wrote the original script and that rumor was that Darth Vader means dark father in German it doesn't I think Vader means father in Dutch, but it's pronounced father or close to father. It's not pronounced Vader. There's no indication, obviously, throughout Episode IV, the very first Star Wars, that Darth Vader is the main character, that Darth Vader has any kind of family connection to either Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia, yet he's supposed to be their father. And for all of his force powers and apparently his daughter's force powers, the very first opening scene of Star Wars, there's absolutely no indication that Darth Vader has the slightest clue, despite the fact he is likely described as one of the most powerful force users of all time, that the woman he's interrogating is his own daughter. So there are so many holes as you get older throughout all of the trilogies that came after, you know, the first trilogy full of plot holes, second trilogy full of even more plot holes. The trilogy just goes downhill from there. And yet, I still love it.

[6:48:14] And my favourite scene of the whole thing is, and it's in John Williams, the composer, makes the scene, I would say, is where Darth Vader gets into the final lightsaber fight with Luke Skywalker, his son, at the end of Return of the Jedi. And Luke does not want to turn to the dark side. And Darth Vader is cajoling him, you know, tempting him. And he's saying, the line is, well, Darth Vader says well, if you will not turn to the dark side, perhaps she will. Talking about Luke's sister, having just revealed, I know that you've got a sister. Ah, a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. If you will not turn to the dark side, perhaps she will. And the music underneath this is just amazing. John Williams just does this amazing thing of pulling at your heartstrings. And at that point, of course, Luke Skywalker snaps and kind of does turn to the dark side. And it's the only way he's able to beat Darth Vader. And I still like to re-watch that scene just to hear that piece of music and to watch that deeply emotional interplay between them two and to see Luke's struggle which is only broken when his own sister is threatened so fantastic anyway as you can see I could talk for ages about uh the all the trilogies I've read books that are outside of canon and most of the books are inside of canon I think the the Thrawn series the Admiral Thrawn series Heir to the Empire that is an absolutely astonishing series of books A lot of intrigue, brilliant characters that stand shoulder to shoulder with the original characters that George Lucas created.

[6:49:47] The Dow of poached eggs. The moral of the story is, if you're aligned with the Dow, it will do about 95% of the work for you. So, be lazy my friends. Has anyone else found that listening to chats on 2X Speed makes you talk faster? I found that when I'm responding to chats, sometimes I'll be talking at 2x speed, basically. Mirror neurons are crazy. I'm always surprised how slowly I speak. I was waiting for you to have the weather report for Sunday, David Lund style. See, I told you, exactly, exactly. Okay, now you're asking me to turn the camera on and just the proof that I was in the Spider-Man movie. For example, here's my proof right now that I'm a human here.

[6:50:37] I was waiting for you to have the weather report for Sunday, David Lund style. Semiconductor manufacturing has to be one of the most interesting things we're doing as a people right now. There's a pretty recent book called Chip Wars, which I recall also tells about the history of chip making. Then Acquired podcast also had probably the longest episode series about NVIDIA, and it goes to the core and heart of chip making. and they probably had some other episodes as well. They're really fascinating stories how all these came together from the Californian vineyards and then with all the high-tech history how these famous companies we know now started pretty much from humble beginnings. Doesn't this sound like using the TikTok algorithm now on Instagram? They say it's for the good of the smaller creators, but it just sounds pretty much the basic TikTok algorithm.

[6:51:32] More likely just preparing for the change, whatever happens with TikTok in the US, but also for competition purposes they need to adjust their models. It's true that current technology can generate visuals as well, but it's slow and it's not that good. And we don't allow video uploads, we only allow recording with a camera, so it would be hard to do. So for example, if you were to respond immediately to somebody with a video of yourself with a front-facing camera, that's still quite difficult to fake. But up to you. you. For example, here's my proof right now that I'm human here. One of the interesting things about travel is that what is mundane to us in our day-to-day lives all of a sudden becomes intriguing, becomes interesting because it's new, it's fresh in a different environment. Like for example, I'm in a taxi in Kyoto and we run a bridge. I was like, oh cool, look, a bridge. And I was about to take a photo, but then I looked, it's just another bridge. I've seen so many bridges in the US. There's so many bridges back home and yet I've gotten used to them. And yet this little tiny bridge. I was like, oh wow, let me look at that bridge. I didn't take a photo of the bridge, but I did take a photo of the train, which is anything but mundane. It's the bullet train.

[6:52:34] So while I was sitting in the lobby of the hotel waiting to check in, I was, you know, on my phone. And one of the staff came over with this little container of Japanese incense. And she said, we're going to do a ceremony. And she opened it and she put a little bit in my hands and I had to rub it. And the next thing is you put it over your face and you breathe it in and you center. And then you think about just what you want your experience here to be like. and there's something about the connection of sense of scent and then just looking at the view which I'm going to share with you in a second that just brought me to the present moment and very very far away from my phone and it was a great start to my stay at this place. Welcome to the 4U feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah welcome everybody.

[6:53:25] Cameron well done my for you feed is incredible holy cow you somehow did it you somehow did it we'll keep improving it let's go what's your plan for today and your wife told you to do it hey guys i will be heading down to Estonia Latvia Lithuania Poland and work my way down to Greece and then to Istanbul um if you guys have any recommendations i'm happy to um put on my google map so I can make sure I visit all those places. Hey Jay, welcome to Eerchat. Sounds like an amazing trip you are at the moment. Enjoy every moment and feel free to ask if you have anything you want to know about Helsinki or the Baltics. I might have some ideas. What's your plan for today? I will laugh at mine in the evening. Do not look for meaning. It is in you.

[6:54:21] Italy doesn't have an MLS like the US where it's a consolidated database of places for sale so it's whatever the real estate agent puts up and you might find different ones with different agents so in preparation to making our trip we're looking at like what do things go for and what is their what do they have there and things like that just kind of passively interested in Italy and would we want to invest like our auntie did and so let's say I found about 25 places for sale in this village, which is kind of a lot considering it's only about 800 people in the village. Well, upon arriving and walking the streets, it's not 25, it's probably like 75 or 50, just looking at the signs in the windows, Vendi signs, this place is for sale. And then as we got to stay a little bit longer and talk to more and more people, turns out it's not just those signs, it's probably double or triple the signs.

[6:55:11] In other words, oh yeah, so-and-so would sell if you were interested, you know, oh yeah, your neighbor would sell, definitely, you want me to talk to him? And it turns out a massive, massive amount of that real estate is for sale. And some of it is insanely cheap. Like the place that we were staying in my family of seven was purchased by my aunt for $7,000. And then probably throw another $10,000 on there for a renovation. And it wasn't perfect yet, but it was very livable. And it was just fascinating to me how much of the town was for sale. Where you could end up buying a place and then buying the next door and then buying the next door. And another part to tie off this section. These Italians in this particular village were very, very friendly, and they were actually thankful to the expats who had shown up there, who were helping to preserve and rebuild and keep those houses going and support the town. And I found that to be amazing, and I was shocked in a positive way, because that is so rare, I feel like, anywhere. And I don't think that was even typically Italian. I think it was special to that town.

[6:56:04] They had a very positive mentality towards people who were coming to buy and maintain and support this old medieval village. many of the italians inherited these village places from their families but because they are second homes or vacation homes this is what i was told when i was there they are taxed at a high rate and that's one of the reasons people are not hanging on to them but selling them even though they might have been in the family for a while and one of the things they will do talking about tax quote-unquote loopholes or excessive taxation is if a home is not inhabitable then it's not taxed or it's taxed at a very small rate, I can't remember. So what they will do when they have one of these homes they don't want to lose, but they also can't afford to pay taxes on it, is they'll go over there and they'll break a hole, or they'll break holes in the roof, so that the house becomes uninhabitable, and therefore they don't have to pay taxes.

[6:56:55] So you look around and you see these Italian homes that are in the countryside, and they have holes in the roof. Some of that is tax-incentivized destruction of their own property, so that they can hang on to their property. And I just think that's a great anecdote for what government does when it overreaches in terms of taxation. Yeah, Justin Finkelstein and I have been waiting for this platform, I think, for 11 years. I mean, we've been talking about this for so long, over a decade. It's really about being able to use voice to communicate with people in a one-to-many fashion. With the direct messages, we're able to tackle the one-to-one. And I don't know if we're going to be able to get groups, which is going to be fantastic. If we're able to get those threaded discussions on here, it's going to be the best thing ever. the eyes oh the eyes the eyes are sending me into fantasy land and making me cook stories in my head so utterly beautiful oh no janead if you find another pup with eyes like that we have to get it to priyanka i think there's a big distinction to be made between questions that might be unwise to ask versus dumb questions or naive questions and i think that sometimes i recognize an area where i feel i'm extremely naive but once i start asking questions i realize that i wasn't as naive as i first thought is that a result of the dumb questions also whether somebody bothers to answer those questions uh signals something can they bring something new to it even though it's already well, basics and well-known, can they make it fresh and interesting for themselves?

[6:58:30] So they actually bring completely new ideas or just playing with it in a new way, which is refreshing for everyone. And all these are showing the level and depth of command of the topic by the person who is replying. This is the environment where everybody becomes a winner. Oh, this is really cool. This is a lot closer to what I was looking for. I do think that even if this organization was operating in the U.S. or it worked in the U.S., it still wouldn't scale to the level that I'm actually looking for because they're charging. Like the pricing scheme is such that you're paying a fair amount per user, it looks like. And so if you wanted to scale the network such that like literally hundreds of thousands of individuals all had very small slices of equity in the underlying company assets, I'm not sure it would get there. but this is directionally a lot more correct. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. It also makes me wonder if there's a way to, even being in the United States and wanting to operate a company as a U.S. company, like maybe just incorporate in the EU to try to experiment with this type of incentivization structure. Anyway, thanks.

[6:59:39] Why don't you ping the CEO co-founder, Tavi Kotka. He was running the Estonian government e-initiative quite a while. And they've been innovating quite a lot with the legal and company structures in Estonia, also taxation. So it's really receptive. So probably there's a way for it to work. So I'm sure that they're also looking at the US market, but starting probably from the closest and the easiest. but I think it might be worthwhile to ping him and check it out if you're seriously considering. but have that total amount never exceed 10% or whatever predetermined amount of ownership they wanted to dedicate to the users. Are there any blockchain or crypto solutions or even solutions outside of crypto to manage this kind of thing, especially in a way that doesn't require the users to go out and download a new wallet or to understand crypto in order to participate?

[7:01:00] There's an Estonian company called Kors.io who is doing something which is compliant with the EU and UK regulation. I don't think they are available in the US. Oh, this is really cool. This is a lot closer to what I was looking for. I do think that even if this organization was operating in the US or it worked in the US, it still wouldn't scale to the level that I'm actually looking for because they're charging. Like the pricing scheme is such that you're paying a fair amount per user, it looks like. And so if you wanted to scale the network such that like literally hundreds of thousands of individuals all had very small slices of equity in the underlying company assets, I'm not sure it would get there. But this is directionally a lot more correct. Thank you so much for sharing it with me. It also makes me wonder if there's a way to, even being in the United States and wanting to operate a company as a U.S. company, maybe just incorporate in the EU to try to experiment with this type of incentivization structure. Anyway, thanks.

[7:02:01] By the way, in the notifications, my like doesn't turn into red. That one like is mine, and when I go to the actual thread, it's red, but it's on the notifications. Black heart. So at least for these two bugs, rest assured, we have them on the docket, but they may not get fixed for quite a while, because they're just quality of life issues, they're not make or break. Yeah, I mean, on that, no worries, I think I've reported this weeks ago, it's been there probably, I wouldn't say months, but many, many, many weeks, and I've been putting the test flight and probably even told you, so I actually just bump it up again. Also, there's this level of engagement farming where they are not really interested of the answer. They don't even bother about the answer. It's more about that level of signaling or just filling some content or getting the discussion going. On some level, I feel a little bit indirectly called out by that. Not directly because you don't know who I am, but generally, I'm the kind of person where I will ask questions.

[7:03:01] And then I will not engage in follow-ups for the mere exhaustion of having done so. I don't know. It's a weird thing. Well, personally, I don't think I've been interacting with you. But if I notice that type of a behavior, I stop responding. If I see that there's no reaction from the original person. It doesn't mean that you always have to do that. But it seems to be like a trend that it's just questions and never any other interaction. It just starts to feel like that's why I'm doing this. A dumb question to me is a question that somebody asks to, with the intention of sounding or coming across more intelligent or intellectual, rather than being genuinely curious and asking a question to want to understand something. Somebody won the argument. And it was definitely the end of the discussion because he didn't want to admit it. So yeah, nice one.

[7:03:55] I tried to explain board games through how it was created, how the rules were decided. The basic rule for a werewolf, mafia, or traitor's game is that there's two rounds. The round where the innocent gets murdered, and the round where people try to find out the traitor's and banish them. The end goal is to banish either the werewolf, the traitor's, or the civilian's innocence. or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah, welcome everybody. You should see new content from new people that you haven't seen before that you like to talk to, and in general it should feel more curated and higher quality than the reverse Quran following feed. Welcome to the For You feed. Please DM me personally or respond to this message with any feedback if you feel like it's kind of bad or you're seeing a lot of issues. Yeah, welcome everybody. Well, you can mix them. You can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing so saying is one thing but doing is completely different level walk the talk or just walk what's your sound but we have here a sound engineer who just got a new sound equipment and he's eager to test it on air chat so maybe i will ping him here and maybe you can send him the files and you can play around with the sounds as well i know he's already familiar from the whispering channel well you can mix them you can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing So saying is one thing, but doing is completely different level.

[7:05:48] The big is only made up of the small, in my opinion. Evolution can only be sort of teased out on large timescales. It's happening now, but it's only evident when there's enough small changes built up that a big change becomes obvious. So to me, I have a personal mantra that I use because I'm a long-distance backpacker. I've walked over 10,000 miles on long-distance trails. And for me, I have this saying, you know, just keep walking. And really, that is all about this idea of the walking is basically building up the small changes. And if you keep walking, you'll build up enough small changes that at some point you turn around and look back and you realize you've walked thousands of miles. That's a big change.

[7:06:35] Create the society you want to live in. Well, you can mix them. You can do small things every day and you can aim for the big ones. but nevertheless what you do is the best demonstration and proof of concept because people are seeing and watching and observing and being curious what you're doing so saying is one thing but doing is completely different level you're like the crazy guy at the party except instead of seeing a ghost that no one else can see everyone else sees a ghost that you can't see a discopal reflecting upon others. I remember my first time I couldn't sit there for 10 minutes without checking my phone or something.

[7:07:36] It was about 12, 13 years ago. And guided meditation in that case can help to get the habit, get the neck of it. And then slowly transition into sound meditation. That's what I think. Yeah, what I meant to say is that you need to concentrate in order to be in that effortless awareness observing state. But it's too hard in the beginning. So for example, in Vipassana, it's at least one of the methods is to observe your flow of air in and out, not the breathing, but how the air moves. And you just keep your concentration on that one. But what happens if you're observing it, you flip out of it and you don't notice that one. You just notice that you're not there anymore. So that's basically really hard in the beginning to sustain that state.

[7:08:27] and there's a lot of things going on at the same time. Now, it's also important to note that when you say concentrate during meditation to someone who's never done it before, who's a beginner, they immediately get very tense. They become stressed and anxious because they think they have to apply a lot of effort in order to not lose the point of their focus. And that is counterproductive. That is the contrary of what you want to achieve during meditation. During meditation, you want to be utterly relaxed. And that's why I'm thinking of it as a relaxation, relaxed, effortless awareness. And yes, the mind will drift off. But then you remember why you're sitting with your eyes closed and what are you doing. And you gently bring the focus back to the present moment, to yourself, to witnessing, to noticing, etc. Then it drifts away and then you do it again. But in a very relaxed and effortless state. Hello, everyone.

[7:09:15] I went to a beautiful tea place yesterday with one of the AirChat members, Arjun. So this tea place is one of the best in Tokyo. I highly recommend to visit if you come to Tokyo. And this thing of showing up every single day, no matter if you're up or down, if things are up or down, kills most of the people who embark on the journey. Not the difficulty of the task per se, but the fact that you need to do it over and over again. That's kind of the crazy mindset. Create via inspiration, build via perspiration, improve via iteration, and then get paid via repetition. Yesterday I learned that if you say that people on Instagram, the Instagram users are dumber than let's say Twitter or AirChat users, which to me it still seems true because the users on Twitter or AirChat are intellectually more developed than the people who just post photos and reels on Instagram.

[7:10:14] but if you say that then all the people on air chat who are also on instagram they feel offended they feel insulted do people not understand nuance i am saying that being on instagram myself i am on instagram i post pictures of instagram i i hardly log into facebook but i am on instagram i post pictures reels stories memes everything on instagram and i can still say that by and large by and large people the users of Instagram and Facebook and those platforms are intellectually not if I don't want to say the word dumb then they are not intellectually as capable as the people on Twitter and I chat I can still say that because I expect people to understand the nuance and to be speaking by and large but yeah people got offended I'm also on Instagram so you are insulting me and they came at me with such arguments and unfortunately I had to block three people. The first three people on Headchat. If you can't understand nuance and if you can't take these casual posts sportively, these are not well thought out essays. These are not, you know, you get it, right? It's not an article which I've published which is the truth. This is just a conversation. I can say anything that occurs to my mind and then we can have a conversation and we can just take it sportively.

[7:11:36] If some people can't do that, I can't have conversations with them, so I block them. And if you think I'm offensive, please go ahead and block me. Simple. You cannot say anything interesting on the internet without offending some person or another. So if you're confident that what you're saying is true, you should be willing to defend it and stand your ground. Upon my worst enemies only would I wish a journey inside an AC car with leather seats and closed windows and lots of perfume. How about if you have a bottle of pastis and it broke in the trunk of the car and it's connected to the rest of the car? It's summertime and a weekend and you let the car be there. I can tell you, that stinks. You can see this with the exception of a few industries like drones where we regulated ourselves out of the game. The Chinese products are almost always inferior and on less demand.

[7:12:25] They're only sold to captive audiences in China and Southeast Asia. The restrictive access to information is also something which will hinder their progress internally. if people are not allowed to see all the latest developments and research and contribute what's happening globally outside elsewhere, that will also have an effect on the discoveries and new things. And I think that also happened during the previous experiment with the Soviets and the closed systems and restricted travel. Thanks Naval. I will give them a follow. And additionally, I'm happy to see a fellow Finnish person on that list. Hey Ari, there are a few Finns here. I don't know whether there's enough to have a Finnish group, but suddenly there are already a few of us here. That's good to know, Petri. I'm looking forward to reaching out to more people on this platform early in my journey. Hi, everybody.

[7:13:13] There should be new builds of AirChat in both the iOS App Store as well as the Google Play Store, so please update. Some changes you will notice is that a channel's directory has finally arrived to Android, so that should be helpful for those of you looking for a channel to join. We're also now tagging new posts from new users, so you can more clearly identify who the new users on the app are and perhaps welcome them and help them out. And then we have a lot more notification settings. So now you can get notifications for replies even from people that you don't follow. So that'll let you respond to conversations faster. And you'll get notified of reposts as well and likes from people that you follow. So if you find those settings to be too much or if you want to dial them up or down, you should be able to do that from the settings menu. You should go to microadjust notifications. And from the notifications that you receive themselves on the lock screen or on your Apple Watch, you can also make some modifications. Let us know if you have any questions. It sounds like you've been having some coding issues. So ChatGPT is not a friend of yours, and you cannot find it from the StackFlow, or how it's called.

[7:14:05] And yeah, it's just so hard. And when you figure it out, and you have the patience to put it to pieces, and it works, you wonder what was all the fuss about. Well, I can relate to that part at least. Absolutely, sir. I agree. That's exactly what I do. So you cannot stop thinking. You have to keep thinking and use it for the stuff that you kind of know the answer, and you just want to see. and often times it has very efficient ways, especially if you're giving it a small function, where you tell it what the inputs are going to be, and what the expected output is, and what needs to be processed and how it should be processed. It's pretty cool with that, it's good with that, it's very efficient with that. But then you have to be the one that does the logic chain of setting it all up so that it follows a certain sequence, and then once it's all working, you then go into optimizations. But it's a powerful tool, man. Anyone who doesn't use it is doing a disservice to themselves. I have 48 hours left in Japan. I'm here with James Lin and it's 1:00 a.m.

[7:15:03] But we decided that we are going to go uber to Mount Fuji from Tokyo. So it's it to go hike it. So that's what we're doing right now. We're going back to our hotel right now before we Grab all of our stuff and then head over and we'll figure out where to stay. Heck, we might just be Degenerate and stay up to watch Sun sunrise at like 5:00 6:00 a.m. Unfortunately, it's a bit too off-season to climb, but you know, fuck it. You only live once. Let's do this, James! Let's fucking go. Hi to everybody. Glad to be here. Xenia, thank you for the invitation. Now I'm on vacation in Thailand, so I'm a little bit busy for social life, but a little bit later, I'll learn all about this platform. And then I'll start to post here. Thank you.

[7:15:53] Welcome Ilja to AirChat. This is probably the best place to test your new material as well. There's a lot of people who are willing to talk and explore and explain things and just have fun and fool around. So take a look around, follow some people and you will feel home here in no time. Hey Ari, there are a few Finns here. I don't know whether there's enough to have a Finnish group, but certainly there are already a few of us here. It means something like this: This is the cover version, but I think there's already a karaoke time. It stops you off starting the Finnish sub-threading there, but I don't believe there's enough families to be able to spin off. Does anybody else experience this mind state where when you're struggling and struggling through something, you also feel so miserable?

[7:16:48] like the world hates you does anybody else feel that because that's what happens to me when i'm struggling with something i can't solve it feels like the world is falling apart that nothing in this world ever works oh man like i just become so sad and then as soon as i've solved it i'm like what were you on about does this happen to you as well it sounds like you've been having some coding issues so chat gpt is not a friend of yours and you cannot find it from the stack flow or how it's called and uh yeah it's just so hard and when you figure it out and you have the patience to put it to pieces and it works you wonder what was all the fuss about well i can relate to that part at least what's your favorite podcast player what are the things you really love about it and what do you really hate about it and what are the things what are missing on the shortcut side so you can run it through apple's transcription over the audio or you could use the openai is it the whisper API to transcribe.

[7:18:10] There's a form of intellectual sophistry in which people try to convince you that you have no free will or that life has no meaning. But yet your lived experience in every moment is as if you have free will and that life has meaning. So how do you reconcile this paradox? Hey, AirChat fam! Please welcome my dear friend Ilya Aksarot. He is the best comedian from Israel, captivating audience around the world with his sharp wit and engaging humor. Besides making people laugh, he is a skilled producer and director of commercials and documentary films.

[7:19:05] In his role as a reservist in the Israel army, Ilya is crucial in public relations, teaching the population how to act in emergency situations. Off stage, he's a devoted and slightly eccentric father who loves football and adores his grandmother's cooking. Welcome to AirChat. One area Apple could offer something new is in the user experience and the way in which language models are used within workflows. Chat isn't the best user experience for many processes which could make use of LLM. So, I mean, historically, they're really strong on new user interface idioms. Maybe this is an opportunity for them to bring something new to the table. Yeah, there's a lot of things you can do underneath, and you don't need to chat or do these things.

[7:19:59] And I think, for example, with image processing, to just remove the backgrounds and doing a lot of these sophisticated things underneath may look really simple or just a feature in the regular apps. But I think that's what Apple can do when it's doing, and we may not appreciate those things. looking for just a chat interface and obviously having the Siri which is not the best of anything been for more like a decade the expectations to have that form work exceptionally well is pretty hyper. Nokia used to be really good with the hardware they were in the 80s and 90s in the game but then the screen technology changed and the operating systems started to be the issue so the resistive screen technology where you need to push with the pencil didn't really work and then Apple came out with the capacitance ones which we are now using and the os symbion didn't really work with the with this new one nokia had all that they probably were among the first if not the first to innovate with these things and test them but they never really jump on board and then came apple so maybe there's a chance that apple has missed the boat they still have the good technology they are still really good with the with the chips and doing the computing on the edge on the local devices but if the computing technology platform is the LLM in the future and they don't have that, maybe this is the Nokia moment. Yeah, they're in a good position with the M-series chips and integration with the hardware so that's an advantage they have and the others don't really have. So it's just plug-in that to the operating system and LLM is becoming an integral part of it.

[7:21:25] So it's a long play. Of course, I don't know how much the training and the difficulties like the famous CTO face when asked about the YouTube training videos or training with the YouTube videos. So that's the big elephant on the room. You can't start from scratch anymore because it's too evident and obvious if you suck in the whole internet and you just disregard the copyrights, it just cannot be done anymore. So you have to buy something that's already done and that's the easier way to do it and probably the only way to do it for these big companies. Wait, why can't they train on YouTube anymore? I mean, obviously everybody train on YouTube. what's to stop them from doing it again through some plausibly deniable way and what lets the existing guys get away with it and you guys can't do it. I'm not challenging the statement, I'm simply inquiring because I want to know what's changed. Well that's the Pandora's box, isn't it? It kind of warms. If you open it, then where's the stop of it? And maybe you're late to the game anyways because there are already lawsuits at the moment from artists and different people who are claiming for their copyright. So if you go to YouTube and ask for a license are they going to give it to you if you're Apple?

[7:22:24] Maybe they do that. But I'm just saying that going out and open and doing it now and not doing covertly might be more difficult because that deniability is not there anymore. It's just too late for that game. Which circles back to Gary's original comment that, hey, this is not a Ford-looking company anymore. This is not a growth company. It's not an innovation company. It's just a holding company. Nokia used to be really good with the hardware. They were in the 80s and 90s in the game. But then the screen technology changed and operating systems started to be the issue so the resistive screen technology where you need to push with the pencil didn't really work and then apple came out with the capacitance ones which we are now using and the os symbion didn't really work with the with this new one nokia had all that they probably were among the first if not the first to innovate with these things and test them but they never really jump on board and then came apple so maybe there's chance that Apple has missed about. They still have the good technology, they are still really good with the chips and doing the computing on the edge on the local devices, but if the computing technology, the platform, is the LLM in the future and they don't have that, maybe this is their Nokia moment.

[7:23:35] And that is the beauty of a founder-run company. Founder-run companies aren't afraid to admit their mistakes and they don't sit on their laurels. They always take new risks. Which circles back to Gary's original comment that, hey, this is not a Ford-looking company anymore. This is not a growth company. It's not an innovation company. It's just a holding company. Apple just isn't very good at cloud stuff. It's difficult enough to be good at hardware and decent at software, but then trying to do large-scale cloud computing is its own challenge. Just like you can see, Google is better at the cloud computing stuff because that's their birthright, but they're just mediocre at software and not good at hardware. So every one of these companies, including the big ones, has a certain DNA, and Apple's is clearly not in anything that would enable them to train foundational models, and it just shows over and over and over again. My guess is that they will make a very late and very expensive acquisition in this space. I was trying to even figure out who would be the target. And it's really difficult because the big ones have already been picking up. Meta has its own. Antrofic is with Amazon.

[7:24:26] And OpenAI is with MS. And Google has its own thing. So what's left there? Maybe it's something which hasn't yet become to the radar. But it's not like there's so many of the big ones left. There are still several around. And I think that more will emerge, especially once the bloom wears off the AI rows. Like any tech boom cycle, there's a bus cycle. and we've probably gotten ahead of ourselves in some of the AI foundational companies. So they have to come down a little bit. And then I think Apple will have an opportunity to buy at least somebody decent in the space. But it is getting late in the game. I mean, so many reasons. I don't know where to start. I think, because I acknowledge that like being open and exposed is how you sort of like expand the circles a bit and you encounter new people and those interactions are fun, right? But I don't like having a ledger of all these little snapshots of my being like strung together in time and then just there kind of for the permanent record. And it's like, I think it's, I've been having this conversation in a few different places in your chat, so I'm kind of like synthesizing ideas from there.

[7:25:22] I don't know if this is original at all. It's just that like, like me as an ephemeral being is dynamic and sometimes it's ugly and sometimes it's crude or uncomfortable or there's social faux pas or there's just these moments, you know? And if I'm trying to act in good faith in a space, then like there's going to be sides of me that like are just on display. They're just like, they're fine if you're with friends or in a trusted environment, like are they fine if you have hundreds or thousands of people who would eventually just like be like observing into the conversation i just don't want that dynamic you know i don't want that dynamic i'm not one of these enlightened gurus you know i'm not a fucking kid genius i'm not i'm just a guy and you know i've got my problems and me acting or expressing innately or organically um means that some of those things are going to be present at times and some of those things are present best in good company you know and on a public platform you're always going to be necessarily exposed to good company you know and so i guess the question is like why would anyone invite that in on themselves unless they're restrictive restricting parts of themselves or being performative or whatever so anyways uh you asked the question i could go on this forever so i'm gonna stop this shit and anyways i hope you're not out of the town with your air chatting friend with one that's really exciting that you guys met up actually you and linda that's see that's that's some of the magic of air chat so that's why i'm i don't know it's all talk and music. Hey, Nicholas. Yeah, what I hear there and I feel in your words is this fear of the faceless masses judging you. And yeah, I know that fear. Well, it's, you know, terrified me for much of my life. And then, like you said, it feels like, oh, well, the alternative is either I just leave or I kind of really perform and curate myself so only my polished Instagram self appears here. But that doesn't feel right either. And that's what I hear in your words as well, like you don't want that either. And it seems like if we let go of that idea of the faceless

[7:27:33] masses and we're just talking to the person in front of us and we express what feels right and feels good to express to that person, then it kind of just sheds a whole load of stuff. And like Petri was saying, right, it's something that you can stand behind and it's in the moment, it's an authentic expression. I think that simplifies things. And for the mind, it can also help to know that the only one going through our permanent records, so to speak, is ourselves. No one else has got that kind of existential angst about us. So I hope you keep sharing on here because it's the humanity and the kind of mess that I think we're missing elsewhere.

[7:28:34] And there's this term wabi-sabi. I don't know if you're familiar with it. which is like, you know, like those handcrafted clay jugs and so forth. They're not perfect. They have this kind of organic handcrafted feel in the moment. And that's what I think I love about AirChat. So glad to have you here. I had a wonderful Japanese tea experience with none other than Akane, who showed me around Tokyo a bit. They pay so close attention to detail here, which I really love. I mean, so many reasons. I don't know where to start. I think because I acknowledge that like being open and exposed is how you sort of like expand the circles a bit. and you encounter new people and those interactions are fun right but i don't like having a ledger of all these little snapshots of my being like strung together in time and then just there kind of for the permanent record and it's like i think it's i've been having this conversation in a few different places in your chat so i'm kind of like synthesizing ideas from there i don't know if this is original at all it's just that like like me as an ephemeral being is dynamic and sometimes it's ugly and sometimes it's crude or uncomfortable or there's social fupas or there's just these moments you know and if i'm trying to act in good faith in a space then like there's going to be sides of me that like are just on display that are just like they're fine if you're with friends or in a trusted environment but like are they fine if you have hundreds or thousands of people who would eventually just like be like observing into the conversation i just don't want that dynamic you know i don't want that dynamic i'm not one of these enlightened gurus you know on air chat i'm not a fucking kid genius i'm not i'm just a guy and you know i've got my problems and me acting or expressing innately or organically um means that some of those things are going to be present at times and some of those things are present best in good company you know and on a public platform you're not always going to be necessarily exposed to good company you know and so i guess the question is like why would anyone invite that in on themselves unless they're restrictive restricting parts of themselves or being performative or whatever so anyways uh you asked the question i could go on this forever so i'm gonna stop this shit and anyways i hope you're not out of the town with your air chatting friend with slun that's really exciting that you guys met up actually you and linda that's see that's that's some of the magic of air chat so that's why

[7:30:39] i'm i don't know it's all confusing it only will be if you will participate and the rest of the people who are here are doing that and they are not going to in hiding with the private groups and they're going to express themselves and behave properly and do all those things because that's what everybody's craving for good genuine conversations respectful conversations and it's up to us to do that and if you're not doing that then everybody is losing also now i think i got your attention for just a moment i uh i love arvo so much and i think i've had two interactions on in chat with you where uh arvo has been a part of it and or maybe you just liked one post and then uh you know you had sent me that article or you told me to find that article a while ago and so just cheers to having a friend in the international community who likes mr parks because his music is really, really, really invokes a sense of meaning in me. And so it's cool that AirChat has these three threads, and Arvo is one of them for me.

[7:31:32] So cheers to you, bro. Create the society you want to live in. I don't think it's nice to have for Apple. I think it's existential for Apple. Eventually, these AI agents become the platform, and then their device monopoly can be unbundled. Isn't Apple trying to do on-device local edge LLMs which are integrated to the operating system? So can they use and adjust some of the existing ones? Probably. Does it take a lot of customization to optimize it for the battery life and performance? Maybe. So as Apple is so late with all the new things, it probably will be taking some time for getting the good stuff out. In the meanwhile, while we have to use third-party apps. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is down.

[7:32:22] Oh, it was. It's already up again. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is down. Honestly, I think you're spot on. And the LLM thing was kind of a joke. Just a shitty one. But I got to say, the funniest person I've ever known in my life. Shout out, Cass, out there. I know we don't talk anymore, but you're amazing. Anyways, we worked at a restaurant together and it was just, I mean, like her ability to turn the otherwise just most mundane interactions in the restaurant into just absolute like high humor. I mean, it was a brilliance in and of itself. And so, you know, I was more of a passive observer and her just constant ability to be funny as fuck. So, yeah, absolutely. The emergence of it, right? The context of it, the play of it, right? The sort of organic arrival of it. They're all seem to be really essential components to the spirit of humor, if you will. they already announced that they're partnering with google to use uh their lm tech of course um i don't know how much the training and the difficulties like the famous cto face when asked about the youtube training videos or training with the youtube videos so that's the big elephant on the room you can't start from scratch anymore because it's too evident and obvious if you suck in the whole internet and you just disregard the copyrights it just cannot be done anymore so you have to buy something it's already done and that's the easier way to do it and probably the only way to do it for these big companies. A very good point Gary Tan. Imagine having an extra 110 billion dollars and you're not training your own foundational model. Has anybody else already got the Rapid One? Matt Slicht sent out the email and he said that he's been using it and it's similar to the famous review by the MQBHD, barely reviewable.

[7:34:07] So it's disappointing. It doesn't really work at all. Now is a good time to see who's really witty in real life on your chat. ChatGPT is done. All right. So are we going to post these Naval memes or what? Well, the 50 kilometers, for example, was based on a friend of mine. He's been at least two decades traveling around the world. so often that somebody calculated that even though he's landed in some city, he's still moving on average that speed because he was just doing so many miles, so many miles, and he's hopping around the world maybe once or twice a week or more or less. So that's where the speed comes from. It doesn't mean that Naval needs to always be virtually moving. He can be in some cities, but probably he has some private plane. I don't know how he does that, but he's always moving and he's always awake. And that's at least omnipresence he gets here. You can just test it yourself.

[7:35:00] Can you point another post within the last four hours? We only get to do the protocol game if we get users. And if we get people using the platform en masse, a protocol without people is failed. And so first we have to get the users, then we have to stabilize it enough that we say, okay, it's relatively static, and then we can extract out what part of it is the protocol, and then it makes sense to make that part of the protocol distributed and sort of invulnerable and uncensorable over time. But this is a multi-step process. It could take decades, it could happen in years, it could never happen. It just depends on how things play out. What comes to the resources, ADPRODO has a skyfeed.app. It's a third-party Alco build, so you can create your own feed by it. And it's using the devs hosting, I think, for putting the feed together for you. So it's not straining BlueSky's resources to do that. And that could be a way also if you open up. So you let people to plug in, but they have to use their own means and methods. And that probably also encourages some kind of monetization experiments. I don't think that's the core reason. For example, if uranium wasn't radioactive and it was relatively scarce, we could also use that as money. Or gold does have some productive uses, but we still have used it as money in the past. Same with silver. I think the reason is because of the properties of what makes for good hard money normally do not go with consumable goods. And those properties are things like durability, scarcity, divisibility, verifiability, ease of transfer, etc., etc. Also fungibility, programmability for modern electronic money. So all of those properties are way more important.

[7:36:28] Now, if it was a consumable good, then it doesn't necessarily have durability, and it does not have easy divisibility, and it certainly would not have scarcity because we'd be producing more of it to consume more of it. So I think the fact that we don't use consumable goods is because they are bad at these six or seven properties, not purely because they're consumable goods. But yes, it's all very interrelated. Going for the origin of money, I think, was exactly the usability which made it a good one with all those properties and which was left when you list and use all of them and test them out by the marketplace. Then it was gold and silver, these hard metals, which were left out because the rest didn't really work like X. Oops, it's gone. But I think what is different between Bitcoin and gold, for example, is that, well, gold is, well, they are these properties. It's too heavy to carry around and all the difficulties. But what it has and what Bitcoin doesn't have is that it has all these other uses.

[7:37:19] So you can always use it for jewelry or some other means. And Bitcoin has difficulties with that one. So there's this bit which makes gold better. But then it's a trade-off. Do you want to carry it around? And how do you use it? Yeah, I think we are in the new gold era now. Yes, I have watched that series of lectures by Feynman. I can't remember it. And I won't go trying to watch it again now. What I understand of Feynman's perspective was he was just missing a piece of the puzzle. So he thought that we could sum over the histories. In other words, the particle's position or what we observe of a particle or what we observe of a quantum system now has to be explained by all the possible histories that the particle could have gone through, which is exactly right. But I think he was silent on whether those histories really existed. However, philosophically speaking, if the histories are actually affecting the present, then it has to be the case that they exist.

[7:38:12] they have some real existence, whether we observe them or not. I've made this point over and over again. It doesn't matter whether you can, in principle, observe something or not. That doesn't mean anything about whether it's real. If it features in the explanation, it's real. The core of the sun, as I like to say, cannot be observed. The Big Bang cannot be observed. The past can't be observed. We don't see dinosaurs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So when it comes to Feynman's idea about looking at the history, it's the path integral interpretation. So you integrate across the entire history of the particle to explain where it is now. Well, all of those paths that it could have taken in the past. Well, it really did take in the past because they form part of the explanation in order to predict where it is now and where it's going to be in the future and that kind of thing. So I can't remember what he said about the reality of the situation. He was a realist, but whatever the case is, he was probably circling around the idea of whatever it eventually got to without actually nailing it on the head. He was interested in other matters, I suppose. But that's about as much as I know about it. I don't think he was an instrumentalist, and that's not the traditional view. The instrumentalist view is, well, you just use the mathematical formulae in order to predict what's going to happen next. And you stay, you just say nothing about whether or not things really exist or not. Now, Feynman wasn't like that, okay, particles really existed and so on and so forth. So he wasn't a complete instrumentalist.

[7:39:20] But the traditional view, so far as I know, was not instrumentalist either. It said things like observation causes the collapse of the wave function, that kind of thing. So the observer then became a part of physics. There was a separate physics which explained the observer, which itself went unexplained. And so people said, you know, there's this mystery at the heart of quantum mechanics, which takes you back to Feynman, who said, if you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics, which was an irrational thing to say, a very rare thing for Feynman to have said. So I think what he's admitting there, now that I come to think of it, is he himself didn't understand it. He was talking about the histories and so on and so forth, but he was just saying, well, although I can do this path integral thing in order to explain the position of the particle now, I'm staying silent on it. I don't understand it. But he should have had the courage of his convictions. It's sort of an analogue to Einstein, whose equations in general relativity predicted an expanding or contracting universe. So he thought that space could have expanded, according to his own theory was telling him that. But of course, all the other physicists at the time said, well, that's a ridiculous idea. Of course, the universe is not expanding. And it wasn't until Edwin Hubble came along and said, hey, the universe is expanding. Here's the experimental data that actually accords with this. So therefore, general relativity correctly predicts the expansion of the universe. And here's how you can observe that. So it's a similar kind of thing to that. You've got to have the courage of your convictions in science to say that if the equations are predicting something is required, then that's something that's required forms part of the explanation and really exists. Now, of course, other people want to say, how do you know it really, really exists? Well, then you get into these silly metaphysical arguments that I'm not interested in, where I'd like to just say, if it's there in the explanation, then it exists. What more do you want?

[7:40:49] So I guess what I would love to be able to say to Feynman today is, if you're invoking multiple histories of a particular particle to explain where the particle is now, if that's what you're doing mathematically, why not just admit the history, the particle, has multiple histories? It really doesn't have a single history. In other words, it's not a single universe. I don't know what he'd say about that. He couldn't get his head around it probably because he thought it was illogical or something like that, that you can't have a particle with multiple histories, that this is just a mathematical trick that he was using. But it turns out, if you want to take it seriously, it's not just a trick. These aren't just mathematical tricks. You can't just use them in the instrumentalist way. If you want to do science, you want to understand. In the same way as I like to say, Kepler's laws of motion describe orbits, but you only ever observe a planet at a particular place at a particular time. You do not observe it at all points around the orbit, but no one is tempted to say those other points around the orbit don't actually exist. Of course not. And so it's a similar thing in quantum theory where if the equations say the particle has all these histories and indeed all these futures and all these presents, we have to admit they all exist, hence the multiverse.

[7:41:55] If you are passionate about solving a problem that's entirely unsolvable, then you'll have something to do your entire life. That would be a lot of fun. That sounds like a crypto challenge. You guys have a conspiracy theory group, and I'm not in it. This is a problem. Tom, this sounds the original. It's a conspiracy. If you've been using HelloSign, check this out. They've been hacked. yes beatry this one oh it's so good it's so funny i wish we could i wish we could pin that to like the official air chat um reservoir that we could just create our own memes with and then we could use that reservoir to insert those memes into other posts. That sounds great. Like our own gift board, but with your chats. That was so great, Petri. Thank you. Thank you for that.

[7:42:52] I saw some posts on Reddit recently about people stating that they're afraid of dying. Now, these are not people who are sick or facing an illness. They're normal, healthy people who have a very intense fear that someday they're going to die. The good old existentialist angst. And to that, I was thinking about it. To that, I would say, if you're truly afraid of dying, then you better be living fully sucking the juice out of every moment like no regrets just really truly be living because if you're not and you're living half-assed or holding back and not being true to yourself the grim reaper is going to pay a visit and he does to everyone but if he pays a visit and you've held back he's won if it pays a visit and you've truly truly lived you won does it feel scary to be in the world without a purpose wait you guys have a purpose but seriously I literally feel like in this lifetime, my purpose is to really enjoy my life.

[7:43:46] I'm here with Andy, our brilliant Android engineer, and Ben, our brilliant iOS engineers, and we're going to try something. All right, Andy, do you want to respond to this post once I make it? All right, let's do it. Oh, it's not enough to talk to our phones and look weird in the public. Now we have to put our tongue out and move it left and right and top and up in order to control our chat. Is that it? yeah I don't I cannot still navigate with the shows and new episodes and all those things it's just confusing I don't know why I haven't just paid enough attention I haven't just bothered don't you find the speed smart adjustment distorting the original audio because it's somebody is waiting pausing a bit like I was in a second ago and sometimes it gives something for the discussion and you're taking that away so it can sort of make give you what's the best word for that clues which are not there cues which are not there and give you the wrong interpretation of what's being said i agree with you and the speed controls really matter to me in fact i am so thankful that air chat has three times speed because i listen to all of the podcasts and YouTube podcasts and videos at two times speed. So I really appreciate it. I have seen, I have seen one, I can't remember the name of it, but it was four times speed. It was just too fast for me. Spotify goes to 3.5 and if the production quality, the recording, but also the speakers are clear enough, that's doable. Four, I have tried, but it takes quite a lot to get to that one.

[7:45:23] There are many layers to friendship and people you meet with very few. You click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? I measure the quality of my friendships with two yardsticks. Number one, if you can spend time sitting in silence with somebody without feeling the need to say something, then that person is your friend. And number two, if you can spend time with a person without having to consume something like food or entertainment, then that person is a friend.

[7:46:25] So I have I'm lucky enough to have a few such friends. When I meet them, we just talk and talk and talk. We don't need to spend money. We don't need to do activities. We can just keep talking and we can enjoy the company. And we can sit silently also. So we keep talking, talking, talking for an hour. And then we just sit silently. If we've run out of things to say, we would sit silently until some other thought would occur, and then we would start talking again. And as you rightly said, we would not meet for many months or years also. That's happened. And when we meet again after many years, it's like we can pick up the conversation from where we left last time we met. So the two yardsticks are the important ones. I always view every friendship through those lenses. I'm doing some research on Charles Babbage, and Charles Babbage is the first person to come up with the idea of a computer.

[7:47:18] And it's fascinating to read because he was, I believe, born in the late 1700s and died in the late 1800s. And he built two types of engines, the difference engine and the analytical engine. And the difference engine was a mechanical device meant to compute polynomial functions and eliminate human error in the creation of mathematical tables. He never completed it during his lifetime. But the more ambitious one was the difference engine. I'm sorry, the analytical engine. And it was designed to be a fully programmable computing machine. Can you imagine what it must have been like to be sitting in the 1800s around England, fooling around with mathematics and being like, man, you know what I need? I need a machine. A machine to calculate these things. I mean, sure, the Industrial Revolution was in full swing by that time in England.

[7:48:08] But what a mind. Like, you really had to be plugged into the future. And I'm very curious of what, I wonder what the best biographies on Babbage are. It sounds like he's a pretty interesting character. If you have any stories about him, I'd love to hear him. You can make logic gates out of anything. I think it was even in the three-party problem, wasn't it? They made them out of people. So there was like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people there, persons that were being in flux. So you can make a steam engine to work as a computer. It's probably not very efficient. vacuum tubes where the previous version of the transistors but the efficiency wasn't there and you have to change them and they were like room sizes so i don't know how the steam engine would work and what would be the ibm equivalent of a mainframe of out of a steam engine but that would be just funny to think about it that way but certainly i i guess somebody would have made computers at that time i prefer the word creepers but the word creep and with the ogs it just has has a negative connotation, so I'm going to second unity, so let's call them the lurkers.

[7:49:07] Google eyes and ears. Crypto is extremely powerful because it returns the control of money back to the people. It makes it peer-to-peer again. Once it is discovered, even if the governments of the world were to ban all cryptography, if they were to ban all tokens, if they were to ban all of it, it wouldn't matter because there would still be tens, hundreds of thousands, millions of people all over the world who just through the exercise of mathematics could agree upon some token as having value, meet each other wherever they want, and exchange those tokens with each other with no intermediary in between, while still being able to trust that just because of the mathematics, that they can exchange value in a way that one cannot rip the other one off. Why am I going through this philosophical preamble? Because that is the whole point of crypto. It is to replace existing government monies with the people's money. And until it has done that, it's almost not worth it to try and do anything else. So all the great investments in crypto are targeted towards this. Now, there are other things that are emerging like NFTs and art and gaming for composable games and composable game items on blockchains, and I'm not going to devalue those.

[7:50:02] I just think they pale in comparison to the value of redefining what money is. If an AI or an alien species or a truly free society were to emerge today and start using money to interact with our economy, it would not use fiat currency. It would use crypto because that's programmable, that's storable, that's transmissible, that can be instantaneous, and it is hard to, it's easy to verify, hard to counterfeit, and scarce. So it has all the great properties of money or can. Crypto to me is a discovery. It is a discovery in the same sense that the airplane is a discovery, that AI is a discovery, that the internet is a discovery, and that once it is discovered, it is not going to be undiscovered. It is a fundamental thing. And the thing is that we have found a way to store value in a digital system that does not require a physical token or a blessing from some higher power or authority. It is a true peer-to-peer electronic value storage system.

[7:50:51] His analysis is correct, but the thing that it doesn't account for is how easy it is to produce on AirChat. There might be more friction because less people have authentic conversations, but the ability to easily produce content is so nice. It's spitting from the dome. It just creates it. So maybe that's the one thing that will not make it the smallest network, but you never know. We'll see. Also, talking to yourself, a notion, pun intended, can be one way to slip into the main feed or, as some of the people are calling here, a lounge. Speaking of LinkedIn, I'm making fun of it. I saw this today. I just can't. I can't deal with LinkedIn. The early mode prediction for Thursday on EZ seems to be a pretty good day for going deeper discussions. We're already talking about protocols, networks, and making fun of LinkedIn, so there's a good start.

[7:51:49] So in other words, if people agree that something is valuable, then it is valuable. I guess that's what you mean, right? I'm just trying to make sense of the whole conversation because it's highly technical and I'm not like the best crypto, I don't know, I don't have the knowledge you have, guys, so yeah. Value subjective. Three years ago I wrote something about these things. It's a great article you wrote, thank you for sharing. Life is about shattering your illusions. What do you think about children and illusions? I feel like children are quite pure in how they see life, you know, and then they get kind of, how do I say, tainted by the adult world. So you're very pure and you're not in the illusion when you're a child. You just don't know anything about anything.

[7:52:40] So you're maybe a bit naive and kind of dumb, if you could say like this. But then you get new illusions, that would impose on you some illusions, right? And then you have to figure out how to break these illusions over time. So you can finish your life in the same childlike mentality or not. But it's kind of hard even for... Because the more knowledge you add, the easier it is to get illusioned by it, right? So what do you think about this? I know it's a bit kind of a random thought, but I found it maybe you could find it interesting, right? but they will quickly pick up the social cues from the surroundings how people are reacting what are the cultural assumptions what is accepted what is not accepted so they will start to get these and also stronger reactions coming from what are you doing and how you're behaving and the reactions to those ones and these can also imprint later in your life and you have forgot already that you the incident but also the what happened but the behavior patterns are still there and these assumptions are harder to settle later on in your life but if you start to question them at why i'm doing these type of things and then you realize that there's no logical law any particular good reason to do it but you're just doing them and then you can maybe backtrace them to some incident in your childhood and figure out that hey i don't need this i can get rid of this it's just a response i had it when i didn't know any better this definition is narrow so if you have an nft which is dependent on off-chain file hosting it means that it's not protected by blockchain so the asset is somewhat incomplete. Similarly if the network is not truly decentralized, the same thing happens. The value is the social consensus around that particular token on the blockchain. What are some of the things that made you feel that way that you experienced in Japan?

[7:54:30] I'm curious because I've never been. So besides the obvious safety, cleanliness, extremely high level of competence and professionalism everywhere, the genuine helpfulness and politeness of essentially everyone you interact with. It's also surprising things like it's the pure aesthetic dimension of things just the way the place looks especially the larger cities and it's actually disorienting in another way because the scale doesn't make sense very often. There are inexplicably large buildings in the middle of nowhere with unknown functions or you know a giant school that serves three villages with a grand total of five children probably built a couple decades ago with expectations of a different trajectory for the country but and it's buildings that also don't make sense in the cities it looks like one of these crude photoshops where you just copy paste a part of the image a couple of times so it's like okay my brain intuitively expects this building to have this many floors and this this many you know fire exits or whatever features of whatever kind and then it's all six times broader and six times taller it's like taking lsd and looking into a tree and it kind of picks up this tiled repeating vibe and that's what a lot of things in japan actually look like in real life unless someone has been lacing my udon noodles with lsd which I would encourage. Life is about shattering your illusions. Oh 100 percent. We create illusions by holding on to experiences that become frozen images of how we feel the world should be.

[7:56:10] Then we rethink, re-edit those images, warping them and slowly turning them into an illusion. Then we live in confliction because we know that these illusions we cling on to are not reality and are not truth. The more experiences we build on top of these illusions, the more it compresses and the more it hurts to let go of the illusion, which is made up of frozen images which have all originated from a seed of felt experience and emotion that wasn't fully felt or let go of. We are creating these images constantly, constantly fooling ourselves that they are reality. To live a full life of freedom is to let go and burn off these images as they appear, with enlightenment being to feel everything but hold on to nothing, thus no image is created. At the very least, let go of, destroy, burn off as many of these images, these illusions as possible, by fully feeling, observing, and seeing them completely for what they are.

[7:57:05] Then they will fully develop and disappear. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games, and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. I mean, to be fair, I think that LinkedIn, except for people who like selling things, has never been productive. You know, it's like social media and is social media productive? Most of the times it's not really. So you could say this about probably anything, you know. But yeah, I agree. Like the fact that it's in the mission is maybe not the best. It's a bit hard because there's like two conflicting things. There's like connecting people and enabling them to be more productive. It can be, like in the case of games, it can be very, you know, opposed. Even when you're talking with people, are you productive, you know?

[7:57:57] So, yeah, it's a bit of conflicting values here, definitely. What I can think of as a solution in the meanwhile would be some kind of a new Lloyds, where there's some kind of current insurance, which will cover the damages if the auto body is failing. So it doesn't go to the level of enforcement by the nation states, but there will be monetary compensation. This whole conversation helped me solidify what it is that blockchains actually protect. First, blockchains need an asset. That asset needs to be on-chain. Because on-chain, that asset has to be purely digital. How does something digital have value? By social consensus. So social consensus establishes value on a blockchain. If we say this has value as money, that's a Bitcoin. If we say this has value as provenance over artwork, that's NFT.

[7:58:47] If we say this game is valuable to us and this token in this game represents a plus five sword of wounding and that has value to us, that's a game item. So first we imbue value into a database entry through social consensus and that is protected on the blockchain. It could even be a vote. Secondly, that valuable object can now be manipulated and traded by code. So code can lock it into a smart contract, can borrow other assets against it, can lend other assets against it, can leverage it, and so on and so forth. But ultimately, blockchains only protect on-chain assets that have value imbued into them by social consensus. If the value for that thing lives outside of the blockchain, if it is not imbued by social consensus, if it is imbued by physical world assets or by laws, then it is not really protected by the blockchain. That is an off-chain asset. And you can track the social consensus around it through the on-chain part of it, but the real value is off-chain. This definition is narrow.

[7:59:37] So if you have an NFT which is dependent on off-chain file hosting, it means that it's not protected by the blockchain. So the asset is somewhat incomplete. Similarly, if the network is not truly decentralized, the same thing happens. This goes for a similar legwork and hard work than what Spotify did with the music industry by signing them up in the early days and being able to get a huge catalog of music on their streaming service when streaming wasn't really a thing. So similar way that if you can ground and get a lot of the players, nation states and international courts and institutions agreeing and binding to the rulings, creating a visa type of a network for these digital assets, that's going to be the next goldmine. A new visa to be built. This whole conversation helped me solidify what it is that blockchains actually protect.

[8:00:29] First, blockchains need an asset. That asset needs to be on-chain. Because on-chain, that asset has to be purely digital. How does something digital have value? By social consensus. So social consensus establishes value on a blockchain. If we say this has value as money, that's a Bitcoin. If we say this has value as provenance over artwork, that's NFT. If we say this game is valuable to us and this token in this game represents a plus five sword of wounding and that has value to us, that's a game item. So first we imbue value into a database entry through social consensus, and that is protected on the blockchain. It could even be a vote. Secondly, that valuable object can now be manipulated and traded by code. So code can lock it into a smart contract, can borrow other assets against it, can lend other assets against it, can leverage it, and so on and so forth. But ultimately, blockchains only protect on-chain assets that have value imbued into them by social consensus. If the value for that thing lives outside of the blockchain, if it is not imbued by social consensus, if it is imbued by physical world assets or by laws, then it is not really protected by the blockchain. That is an off-chain asset.

[8:01:31] And you can track the social consensus around it through the on-chain part of it, but the real value is off-chain. Good morning, beautiful people. This morning, I had to stop for a minute and take a picture of the sunrise. This is one of the most beautiful sunrises I have seen, and I captured it. The camera doesn't do justice to it, but there it is. Enjoy. Good morning, Sips. Looking bright and a nice morning there. Probably birds singing as well. Good morning, brother Petri. Yes, it is a beautiful morning. And if you listen close enough, you can actually hear them. It's a beautiful morning. It's a beautiful morning to go and kick some ass. Have a beautiful day, my friend. There are parts of it that are protocol, and there are parts of it that are network. And I think that's true of every social network.

[8:02:18] so if you look at something like Twitter it's I would argue more protocol than network but if you look at something like TikTok it is more network than protocol so it's a little hard to say where the value is and I think over time it'll become more and more obvious and the parts that are protocol probably belong in some kind of distributed ledger and the parts that are not protocol belong in some kind of a centralized app. Colby's new way of building decentralized file data structures would probably be a really good test case for this one because it can host those media files and you could have them in different places. And I think that would be a really nice beta experiment. Well, I might be wrong, but it sounds like because they're building something completely new and this is a new thing and it could be also limited in scope in the first phases. Just out of curiosity, Naval, do you see AirChat more as kind of a future protocol or as an individual network?

[8:03:12] There are parts of it that are protocol and there are parts of it that are network. And I think that's true of every social network. So if you look at something like Twitter, it's I would argue more protocol than network. But if you look at something like TikTok, it is more network than protocol. So it's a little hard to say where the value is. And I think over time, it'll become more and more obvious. And the parts that are protocol probably belong in some kind of distributed ledger and the parts that are not protocol belong in some kind of a centralized app. It went pretty good. I have nothing bad to say. We got a couple of drinks and yeah, we went on merry way. We'll see what happens. He's on the app, so I can't, I can't say much. But let's go. Okay, I don't think things really worked out. So, yeah, I'm looking for dates. Well, I'm not looking, I'm attracting guys. So, FY. Oh, God. Oh, God. I mean, I, I was seriously talking about LinkedIn. I mean, despite what was happening on LinkedIn already, that was creeping me out. I still had little hope that maybe things will be fine in the future. But now the game is over. I mean, with the introduction of games.

[8:04:14] seriously on LinkedIn, I think the game is over. Seriously, man, this is unbelievable. And this is the best thing I saw on each other today. So I'm going to share it. I'm sure it's already in the roadmap. If you've been looking what Microsoft's been doing, they're going for the consumer market. And that means that it's gaming, it's publishing. There's a lot of these which are interlinked. So where are the most of the people? What are they doing? What parts of the digital work can you penetrate? How many hours, how many transactions can you squeeze out of the consumers? That's Microsoft, and that's where they want to go. And in this way, job is a huge part of your daily life. So it's just natural. And because of remote work and everything, it's mixing and matching nowadays. So younger generations, TikToks, I think all the lines are now blurred. And corporations are realizing that they don't really care if they want to win the hearts and minds of the Younger generations, they have to be everywhere.

[8:05:12] You cannot be outside of the mind of a person when they're working. You have to be all in there. Well, it's not healthy probably for the persons using these services, but hey, there are profits to be made. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. Let's speak Max here. I'm sure he will come up with tons of different revenue generation solutions and franchises and licensing and cross-platform ideas from the back catalogs of going back to the ancient history of Microsoft and gaming. So let's see what he can spin up. It's hard to make fun of LinkedIn when they are doing it themselves. They launched games and they claim that the LinkedIn mission has always been to connecting people and making them more productive. Yes, precisely. What is more beneficial is a tamper-proof open ledger that is used for auditability and not necessarily for enforcement.

[8:06:10] We have a convenient auto enforcement, but it goes back to courts and guns at the end of the day. What I can think of as a solution in the meanwhile would be some kind of a new Lloyds, where there's some kind of current insurance which will cover the damages if the other party is failing. So it doesn't go to the level of enforcement by the nation states, but there will be monetary compensation. I'm beginning to think that blockchains won't work without being able to enforce blockchain law at the atomic or even quantum level. I mean that the so-called transactions aren't macroscopic in a completely different level than atomic and quantum, so having these two different scales together, I don't know what that means. And even if some sort of technology were invented that could actually control and enforce things on an atomic or quantum level, like, I'm not sure I'd want to live in that world, and there's no guarantee that it ends up being controlled in a non-corrupt way.

[8:07:09] Good morning. It will be a lot of fun. because the thing is new. It cannot just be purely analogized. And so to understand how it works, you have to understand all the analogies and the limitations, but then see the thing for what it is and what it evolves into. Trying to put my finger on what it is that's particularly magical, the subset of the conversations that are occurring here that are truly unique. They haven't happened before. And for me, of maybe a hundred that I've had so far, the one that's at the top of the list, Brian actually noticed and it was it was what would have in any other platform been a fight over over Israel Palestine that began compatible combative Lee was evolved into a mutual respect and Compassion and was synthesized and that's just not happening anywhere else the other thing is you know stuff?

[8:08:29] You're just intimately familiar with but the magical is the magical it's it's so fucking cool. I literally don't think I think there's another place on the internet where you can have conversations with strangers that are civil by default and involved and nuanced. Even if AirChat doesn't succeed in the traditional sense, it'd be cool to see Naval set up some sort of systems in place that would make it last for the longest period of time in somewhat of an autonomous way, kind of like the Jeff Bezos 10,000 year clock. Once the platform is stabilized, I actually want to look at moving it into a more distributed network where it can survive the test of time. Could be partially on a blockchain, but not to create a token, but rather just to make sure that it survives for as long as possible. Why is it important whether it's a book, a movie, or a TV series? Why are we talking about the medium, not the message, not the topic?

[8:09:18] Why it's so relevant? If the same idea, the same facts, or the figures, or the story are just coming out of these different formats. How is it just stick to the traditions? So some of them is finer or better than the other. I forgot, but there was somebody measured the amount of bits per second we can process. So if you block the visual, which takes the most, then you have more capacity for the audio part than the rest. So that explains it. So you can split the limited resources better, what you have, and you can really focus on those things. And that explains a little bit of why you get a richer experience by blinding yourself temporarily or just muting the voice. I was just thinking the other day that like movies are nowadays, almost like trailers for TV series, in a similar way, if you go to a traditional bookstore and you're reading your own book, which you already have narrated yourself, is there a trailer for your audiobook? I'm sure you're aware of LibriVox, the free audiobook library, mainly about books which are already out of copyright and people are reading them.

[8:10:25] But there are some classics there, so if somebody is interested to get some of the classics and maybe while driving or doing something else, it's worth checking out. Some of my chits should be tweets, as they are not good at sparking any conversations. But I find myself lazy. I prefer to type the mic button than to type 140 character on the digital keyboard. Am I the only one? It's just grammar. As we learned earlier today, there's a few things happening today. One of them was durians, but there was also that the grammar is an emergent phenomenon, so don't worry about it. Who cares? Just talk. I've got a flex air chatters, just decided to do a novelty, air chat from the air, 30,000 feet up. From Turkish Airlines. Has anyone made that joke before? Air chat from the air? Well, here I am. It reminds me a little of that bit by Louis CK, where people complain about flying. And my flight was delayed today, but absolutely no complaints.

[8:11:16] Here I am, 33,000 feet in the air, talking to you live. I mean, this is amazing. In a cylinder of metal, hurtling through the sky, and close to Mach 1. It's astonishing. Hey, Minaj, thank you for this track. Again, I love it with all my little black heart and short feedback. A lot of my friends are using it to meditate and one of them is playing it in a club. I have no idea how. Maybe it's a remix. Maybe we'll hear it in Ibiza soon. Thank you, friend. internal scorecard and decide for themselves how they're going to live their lives and just have fun because goodness you know i've tried to live the perfect life it is frustrating i do not ever want people to look up to me as a perfect person because it is the most confining of experiences i just want to have fun i just want to have fun and if i have to explain specifically what i mean by fun then those people are boring sips he wants to have fun he wants to he wants to have fun he wants to he wants to have fun what's your favorite podcast player what are the things you really love about it and what do you really hate about it and what are the things what are missing speaking about a fluctuation of sound and volume when it comes to mic you know when people come closer or when they move away from the mic have you checked out this particular new mic which has an autofocus capability looks very interesting nope haven't checked that one i i'm still a little bit old-fashioned and I just think that if you position your mic and you just let it do it work

[8:13:25] and you have set your audio levels that's better for the post-production as well because you know exactly what you're getting and there's no pumping or weird distortions or something happening which might happen with all these things which are basically just you know they try to do their best but it will distort the audio and it's already distorted because of whatever is happening so yeah probably works for some people but call me call me old-fashioned I was just thinking the other day that like movies are nowadays almost like trailers for TV series in a similar way if you go to a traditional bookstore and you're reading your own book which you already have narrated yourself is that a trailer for your audiobook? Premium air chat will delay the notification deletion of the first take chits that disappear but magically appear on your feed for a few seconds, but just a little bit too fast for you to read them.

[8:14:17] So the delay, 20 seconds, is totally worth the premium price. Here's it. Yes, Tully. I'm not reading your seven paragraphs conversation here, bro. No worries, you can hear them. True! Well, one thing I have noticed is when I'm hearing to the conversations on air chat and it's on 3x, most of the times I'm able to read it quicker. So I'll basically be reading three lines ahead of what I'm hearing. So does that happen to you as well? Or like maybe it's just something that depends on the reading speed. Yeah, the secret is that it's not really 3x, it's just how it's called here, but it's probably closer to 2x or even less, so that's why you can read it before you have heard it.

[8:15:13] Oh, I see. Thanks, Petri. Imagine a world where people are actually concise when they speak. Where is now? You have a privilege to choose anything you want and enjoy. Today it's definitely durians. Premium air chat will delay the notification deletion of the first take chits that disappear, but magically appear on your feed for a few seconds, but just a little bit too fast for you to read them. So the delay 20 seconds is totally worth the premium price. Use it. People get really creative with their usernames and it's interesting that the air chat would automatically suggest a User that has a certain word in their name when that word is mentioned by someone inadvertently of course Soon there will be brand accounts just for that purpose Hey guys, please welcome Damon VersaGee a good friend of mine on air chat. He's a super cool dude. I guess he will explain himself what he's doing Welcome, Damon. Do they have something to do with scrappy meals?

[8:16:25] Aren't we always discussing philosophy? It's mainly coffee blended with philosophy. What's funny is I don't even start my morning with coffee. I start it with soda. Suspiciously, he seems to be async. Yeah, I think that's how it should work. So there's like five different categories you can put in. One for the laugh and one for the cry and all the rest. And you can just see them visually. They're like icons for those things. I think that would be the best because then it works for both, but it's kind of like the natural way of doing it for the voice. So you don't need to see anything if you are in a voice mode in a car or someplace, so you can hear all the stuff. Hey, Niraj. Want to talk about synchronicities? Suspiciously, he seems to be async. I'm here, I'm here. I don't disappear. I'm always here. I'm omnipresent. Can you feel it? Welcome back to Our Radar, Dajan.

[8:17:14] My nine-year-old son is homeschooled and he said to me yesterday that he'd have a problem having friends that have phones because they are not really good to play with. I'm blown away by Japan. It's so beautiful. People here just seem to care. It's really difficult to speak the names of those I cared for after they've passed away. Because when I take their names, nobody responds. And it just makes the question of, you know, are there somewhere out there in the universe? It makes that question so real and there's no answer to that. Yeah. I don't know. My mind's running.

[8:18:03] Should we remove the people who are passed away from your contacts? I just added voice to texting in my notes app because I've become too accustomed to the ease of talking communication on air chat. Note to self on air chat. DMs, check it out. It's amazing. You can't run a solar panel continuously for 20 years. There's a big difference. There's a fire in Turkmenistan that's been burning for 20 years or 30 years. I think it's natural gas. I need to go back and look. You mean this one? If you had the ability to turn back time and you used it, would that make all your moments meaningless? Moments by themselves just are. The only meaning they have is the one you give to them, so it's up to you. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing?

[8:19:00] You're missing the answer to your question, sir. Oh, my bad. So, was this your answer? What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it, and what do you really hate about it, and what are the things that are missing? I mentioned this already earlier on, but there's a Mac Whisper, if you're on a Mac, and it has a lot of stuff for free, but then you can also integrate ChatGPT, Androfic with your API keys, and it's using the Whisper, what's also used by AirChat, so it does the translation, the transcription part pretty well. I don't know whether it can also automatically download the YouTube videos, but it certainly can transcribe the audio, and it does it also in batches. It has a pro version, but it's a one-time fee, and it's not really much, so that's something to check out. And Yordi was actually here as well. It's actively developing. It's been quite a popular app, so that's worth checking out if you haven't already. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it, and what do you really hate about it, and what are the things that are missing?

[8:19:56] And what do you love about Spotify? I love that they have the video feature and you can go beyond 3x at speed, but I don't know if there's anything particular other things about it. It's just playing the audio. What's your favorite podcast player? What are the things you really love about it and what you really hate about it and what are the things that are missing? My first update is, does this boy not have an imagination? You know, I remember when I wrote that. It was night. It was foggy in San Francisco. And I was just staring out my bedroom windows. I was living up in a condo building in South of Market. And high up, just looking out. And in front of me was my laptop. Actually, I had a screen and a keyboard hooked up to it. I was just looking out and just thinking. And there was a woman. I saw her open the door to a balcony, step out, get something, and then go back in. I remember thinking about her, like, you know, here she was, just someone in my reality, someone I don't know, just a faceless person, but to herself, a very real person, with her hopes, dreams and desires.

[8:21:00] And here I am looking at her through the filter of myself, my life. And I think I even captured her later in that chapter in a sentence or two. Yeah, it's funny the memories that come back from what you've written. There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it?

[8:21:50] I met my best friend and I clicked right away. I saw her and I thought to myself, she's the one. She is going to be my best friend. And maybe this, I'm not sure if it's a manifestation, but it just clicked. I love being around her and just meeting and getting to know each other. It feels like, I don't know, it's a very beautiful friendship. So this was very interesting that some relationship you just click and you don't know why, but it just happens and I'm very happy to experience it. Some say Irchat is not made for long conversations. They have not listened to Brett Hall lately. A lot of philosophy gets discussed in cafes. It is the end of the era for cafes, thanks to Irchat. all discussions will move here.

[8:22:39] There are many layers to friendship and people you meet. With very few, you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met. And it doesn't really matter how long you are apart, maybe even years, and you just pick up where you left the last time. And that's a rare type of a friendship. There's something you really wipe and you have that thing going. So it's not about time or place. And it just works for decades, most likely. And the ones you describe, yeah, they are those which require work. And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? I don't know how to explain that. I don't have any explanation to tell the truth. I don't have any tips. Well, we've been through a lot of shit together. And even though we're living in different countries now, we are together.

[8:23:33] And I'm going to see them very soon. And I'm so happy about that. Where is now? Interesting. So grammar might be an emergent property of speaking, which just helps optimize language. And these rules are more discovered than they are created top down. And this would help explain why, even though we're taught grammar as children, we don't really learn how to speak the language by learning the rules of grammar and applying them. The rules of grammar, rather, are used ex post facto to explain why and how we said things in certain ways. But if that's the case, then I wonder, what is it about grammar that causes those rules to emerge that way? Is it just the most efficient way of speaking and conveying yourself? Is there some trade-off between efficiency and clarity? That sounds like something which could be experimented with some algorithms and maybe some LLMs. Give them just some tasks and whether they can start to communicate more efficiently if they have started to form some kind of proper grammar. So you start to have different, not just words, meaning objects or something, but you can start to have verbs and adjectives and start to form sentences to be more precise, more efficient with your communication.

[8:24:34] And if there's some penalties and also some rewards for the language, that probably should yield better results, hence grammar. This was fantastic, Petri. I wanted to share a link, but my links are still not working. But if you go on YouTube and you search for Lingus, L-I-N-G-U-S, by Snarky Puppy, S-N-A-R-K-Y, Puppy, check out that song, man, on YouTube. They played it here in South Africa at their studio. They're an American band. That's killer. Killer. This is fireworks. Here's the link.

[8:25:23] Life is an art exhibition. The Rakastan Sita. Don't drink. Go vegan. Don't smoke. Don't watch porn. Study. Seek enlightenment. Choose five. When is tomorrow? I will try to translate it. It's translated already, but it might be a little bit too small for people to read it, if it's only on the picture. But if you see the translation button, then it can do it for you. Particles and the plenitude. I'm going to have a little chat here with myself, anyone else can join in if they like, about the biggest and the smallest things known or conjectured.

[8:26:14] It's insightful when you say the self started to develop and you started self-reflecting. Because I said this in another response, but the identity only comes into awareness when you look at the self. And to look at the self, you have to detach yourself from the self. It's a weird concept. It's akin to NPCs in a video game, but if you give the NPC a narrative, then it certainly has an identity. But before that, it was just playing the game. It is an interesting thought. To me, I think it seems as though the self doesn't necessarily develop, but is revealed through self-inquiry. By asking these questions, the ones that give you the answers and the labels, it doesn't change the self that they describe. It just gives you a framework to understand that self and to create that image, to communicate, to represent yourself to others, or to help you understand yourself and make decisions that are aligned with that identity. I think that detaching from the self isn't necessarily the only way to observe the self.

[8:27:18] I think that that self that you would detach from to observe is you. So you are that self that's observing itself. And once you see that, that nothing has changed other than the words that you use to describe it, I think you can then become more conscious of the behavior that is in line with that identity, the beliefs, the actions, the thoughts. And from there, maybe that awareness can dissolve it and create space to choose the things that you want and develop it and change it, rather than unconsciously have an identity inhabit your mind. ChatPT. That's the best transcription of ChatPT I've seen here. I love this topic because we get lost in what everyone says is productivity and who has value, who's more productive, it's more valuable.

[8:28:17] And who has more money is more valuable, who is more known is more valuable when the value is just on being. And sometimes I want to accomplish things and then I question like, why am I getting lost if I'm an adult who already accomplished things that I wanted? but I keep pushing myself and I guess it's because I want to keep growing and learning but then I still get lost on what's important and what do I really want for my life and sometimes I wonder do I really just want to live um you know just get the money enough money to be happy and have to cover all my needs and my family needs and that's it like I don't want more than that, to be honest. I want to have an impact, but I'm okay with having an impact with the people that is around me and with the people that I can help them to be, to have happy, fulfilled lives.

[8:29:18] That's what I want. I don't, like, I know that you can make big things, but those big things to me are those little things of, like, the people that you can touch directly with who you are and how you manage life. Sometimes making an impact on the people around you can ripple to the whole world in ways you can't see. It just takes time and serendipity and them interacting with other people. It's a thankless job because you don't necessarily see it always, but it's true. What can you do today, but not tomorrow? I am absolutely 100% positively not sure. And they are fallen when they join X.

[8:30:09] I'm just going to leave this here. Kul de Sack? Emoji usernames are so old school. Here is the latest by Unity. Wow, fascinating. Thanks for sharing that. Hello, lurkers of AirChat. How's it going? puzzled if i answer i ain't no lurker anymore okay i see surbi i've given so many compliments to sir but she's overall awesome surbi you know that you're awesome right um your heart goodness delicious delicious they should sell um if they just add a piece of your heart to be chocolate in the world listen you would not need any sugar how do you like that oh this is so beautiful sips You know, I always smile ear to ear whenever I listen to you talk about other people because you come across as somebody so honest, so welcoming and so considerate.

[8:31:07] From the moment you sang me my birthday song to the last DM you sent me, there's something about your voice that is so, so comforting. I'm pretty confident you light up every room you enter and I'm so glad to have met you through air chat. Thank you. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited that you're all here. Just grab a drink, sit by the fire, pop up your feet, get cozy, get snuggly. It's going to be a good time. Life is an art exhibition. I think I know how to use this platform. The way I go and use it is while I travel in Japan for the next couple of months. I get to share my thoughts and inspirations and also learn from other people as well. What can you do today, but not tomorrow? Why can't you do it alone tomorrow? When is tomorrow? Yeah, so we can live our life today. Nice.

[8:32:25] You can do it. Yeah, Nora, you can do it. You are not the first one anymore. This is the cycle of life. And they are fallen when they throw in X. Has anyone raised your air chat yet? Let's see if we can make that happen. All right, here's how it works. Reply with your elevator pitch. No more than 30 seconds. Describe what you're building, who it's for, and I'll chime in with some feedback if it's useful. All right, let's go. I feel everybody craves for that kind of friendship where there is an instant connection and a very strong connection and everything feels magical and everything is easy but I feel that that connection should be so strong that even if you encounter differences in the future you still want to stick with that person and that is the real friendship I feel That's how it feels but there is no need for anything it just happens and that's why you can be silent for years and then just pick up the conversation like you left for a minute and you just keep on going. That's how it is, effortless. Yeah I think Twitter, I mean, is a great like to way to disseminate information and it's providing more options like mainstream media in the sense we can still interact in some way. Except the space, we don't have so much interaction, iteration on Twitter. I think AirChat, one of the amazing features that he has is that people really engage in discussion. The way it makes it so powerful is like how Socratic methods work, is this back and forth discussion and then you can come back and continue the discussion, which make it incredibly powerful. I also want to add that the fact that we can hear the voice of a person really adds a new layer of complexity which I have completely underestimated how impactful it is and it helps to build relationships.

[8:34:35] I have openly spoken with a lot of people on air chat within few days, which I haven't done in my real life. I used to think that maybe I don't like talking to people as much as people do. But now I realize that I always wanted that. It's just that I never got that environment. I never got that openness or acceptance. But here I am a free bird. I talk with everyone. I connect with everyone. And there are a lot of people that I resonate with. You know, being an introvert, this is the best platform I can get. I have nothing but gratitude for it. Andrew Uberman said that every morning I need to drink a big glass of water, wait to have my coffee, have sunlight and pile three tons of wood. So I have no choice. Measure twice, cut ones, especially in an age of infinite leverage, making the right decision, making the right call is far more important than working hard. You want to make sure you're heading in the right direction. So you need the time to think it through and that means you got to be a little bored too, not just busy all the time.

[8:35:31] wandering mind discovers things unexplored. The illusion of productivity is more seductive than laziness because you don't feel guilty about it. When you're productive you feel like you accomplished something. Oftentimes people fill their lives with busyness just so that they can get that sense of accomplishment. I say embrace the laziness while you've got it. Enjoy it. But when it's time to work, lock in. As the kids say, lock in. I love Naval's quote on this, better bored than busy, and I had it engraved on one of my iPads. By the way, I find really amazing that we can have understanding about things that are so far away, and where it would be very difficult to experience anything close to you.

[8:36:34] In that episode, I think Carol touched briefly hawking radiation, even though we may not get out of the black hole, but the black hole can get out of black hole, so it may actually evaporate over time. And that's basically a two-way process in that sense, even though when we're beyond the event horizon, that's the point of no return. That's an important distinction. Thank you for sharing. So let me try to rephrase it. In some sense black holes are irreversible processes. It cannot be stopped. You cannot go out, but the black holes in itself can end. So I think it doesn't contradict what I thought. What is interesting is that about time, there should be so much tension between when you are inside and outside the black hole. About time. Emoji's username is also old school. Here is the latest by Unity.

[8:37:38] Hey Sips, you know, I can tell a lot about a person by what he says about others. So far, you are amazing. Where have you been, Ksenia? I have not seen you around here. Please don't hide. Stay with us. this. I love seeing your because that's only where I see you with that profile picture. I'm like there's Cassina and I want to just hear it and usually there's music blazing in the background and then you just go boom boom boom with your super cool chilled energy but yeah thank you for those kind words. Thank you. Okay here's a brand new mixtape featuring Christina Flynn. This is a fun one. Hope you guys like it. Hey guys, here's a brand new mixtape featuring Kenzie in ASMR style. Enjoy. It might be also their way of realizing what's been said, and they might a little bit of unconsciously repeat the same thing even though they don't realize it, but it's their way of getting the meaning of what's been just said.

[8:39:02] This was a fascinating discussion about non-locality and how you cannot isolate yourself from the world when you're doing experiments and the implications that has for doing experiments. brother kamal i see you i'm not sure if you knew you were signing up for this but i see you man and wow you know the word that comes to my mind and i've not had many interactions with you it's only been of late that i've you know started talking to you and seeing your aunt and hearing you more and more but the thing that i'm like man if i had you as a friend of mine fuck this world man like i'm unstoppable right like because you've got that fierce fearless warrior protector vibe about you who is also kind who is also generous now everyone is giving me the formula so i'm gonna read your book so you're gonna hear me talking a lot about it when i get to it but i i think man like i wish i met i wish i could meet your mom because i don't know what she did But she must be an amazing, amazing person to have done the work of raising you guys.

[8:40:13] What a beautiful thing. And I hope to have more and more conversations with you and get to know you better over time. But what I've experienced so far has just been an essence of beauty and grace. Grace. Thank you, brother. Be blessed. Hey, Sips. You know, I can tell a lot about a person by what he says about others. So far, you are amazing. there are many layers to friendship and people you meet with very few you click immediately and you feel like you already met even though you just met and it doesn't really matter how long you are apart maybe even years and you just pick up where you left the last time and that's a rare type of a friendship there's something you really wipe and you you have that thing going so it's not about time or place and it just works for decades most likely and the ones you describe yeah there are those which require work.

[8:41:10] And then you can also ask, is it one-sided or two-sided? And if it requires work, is it really worth it? To me, this is the only kind of friendship. And I've seen when I meet these friends after four years, five years, a decade, we don't even waste time in asking, oh, man, we have not seen each other for so long. And we just continue. We just continue our thread from the last time. So for me personally, I would be for both duty and happiness. There's an uncalculable, as you say, benefit to just being as happy as possible around other people, really spreading that joy, making their day better. You don't know what that's going to lead to. And that's in a way, the most beautiful thing about it. But if there were ever a moment where I would have to pick between duty and happiness, I think I would pick duty every single day of the week. I would almost rebel in that. I don't know. Call me masochistic.

[8:42:05] Other people in our life have agency and they are capable. I stand by my earlier statements that paradise is a garden with a view within walking distance to a cafe. All right, everyone here. Do you happen to know brands or new startups that have come up in the recent times with regards to organic makeup or organic cosmetics? Anything organic cosmetics. I'm trying to explore some of the different brands that exist in the world. And actually the Indian market has had a specific bloom in this direction. And I want to see what all do you know about organic cosmetics that is out there in the market. Please do share your recommendations. Very happy to have them. And with this one, you can check the ingredients, whether they are something you want to put on your skin. There's also for other products, so you can scan the products on the shop and see what's inside. Thanks, Petra.

[8:42:54] I view humble bragging as a status-lowering activity. It's a little bit of a Michael Scott-type maneuver, where you think you're bragging in such a way that people won't notice you're bragging. but the people you most want to impress can see right through it. So I'm not sure it actually works. It is a valuable signal for everyone involved. If there are Francophones who listen to me, I would like to know what was the impact of Naval Ravikant on you. Because I listened a lot and read what he was saying. And he had a very big impact on me. So I wanted to know if he also had an influence on you or not. but we are working on it. No worries, it's actually already working brilliantly. I've been even richarding today something of a Chinese song, and I was able to understand thanks to the translation, so it's working perfectly. The absolute highest quality people don't hang out and network on LinkedIn for the same reason that the most desirable people don't hang out on Tinder.

[8:44:02] The highest quality people in the world are hunted, and they're hunted because they have proof of work, either through their beauty or through their accomplishments or through their works. By their works they shall be known so ultimately you just want to do great things and be the best version of yourself and the world will hunt you down to me this is where air chat is very interesting i'll share something from deutsch chapter 13 of the fabric of reality the four strands he says people's behavior as researchers different from human behavior in general that's what the thing about air chat i feel like it excels people's behavior of this researcher mindset. And kind of what that means, as compared to LinkedIn especially, is that appeals to authority are simply not acceptable, even when the most senior person in the tired field is addressing the most junior. And I feel like there's this ecosystem that AirChat is curating of a researcher's mindset. I think true competence to me, if I was going to say in a nutshell, is being aware of what we know and also aware of what we don't know um it's and always being open to um being wrong and that usually comes with a few bitch slaps from reality from times i think they can we can have some humbling experiences i've certainly had a few um and when it comes to curiosity and learning both imply ignorance and it's making that side explicit so that we can explore the areas that we don't know and build better models, better knowledge, and humility is a natural consequence of that. Fully agree with you here, Wayne. Known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. And there's a very big difference between people who know what they know and know what they don't know. So competence leading to confidence. I really, really love that. And it absolutely is the underpinning in how I see things as well. Sounds like an experiment where there's no takers at the moment, but it's at ease for the long term. So hopefully we'll get someone liking your post.

[8:46:03] It feels like the conversations here on AirChat are doing the opposite of Godwin's Law. Instead of degenerating towards Nazi analogies, we are getting super close to connecting around concepts of theory you, which I just adore, but, you know, involve deep listening, identifying blind spots, sharing generously with others, going into one's images in the mind to tease out insights. Yeah, it feels like we're getting there. This is so funny, like no one is biting. Oh my goodness! So maybe I should have crafted it differently and I should have said, those who do not want a well-crafted compliment. Folks are scared, man. Be brave. It's your moment, it's your time. And the best part is that you can do that without announcing anything just by randomly consuming your feed day in day out you can pick a winner and compliment somebody.

[8:46:59] I'm just a baby exploring life and when you try something and it comes back with a certain reaction you're like oh okay cool this is how it works and then you go on and explore a different way it's all fun for me man so we'll see how it goes. I think true competence to me if I was going to say in a nutshell is being aware of what we know and also aware of what we don't know um it's and always being open to um being wrong and that usually comes with a few bitch slaps from reality from times i think they can we can have some humbling experiences i've certainly had a few um and when it comes to curiosity and learning both imply ignorance and it's making that side explicit so that we can explore the areas that we don't know and build better models, better knowledge, and humility is a natural consequence of that. True competence is the courage to say no, and it's not even courage, it's just like the acknowledgement that no I don't know about that, I don't think it works like that, or you probably will get a better one elsewhere, I'm not the one you're looking for, this is not the thing you're looking for, and if it comes from the place of authenticity, and that's really what the person means without anything else into it that's also shows really well that hey that probably is the person you're looking for because if they are pushing you away or claiming that they probably are not good enough for the thing usually it's a sign that they know a great deal about something after five years of solo traveling i can safely say um i'm tired i'm exhausted not sure if anyone here on the air chat travel family can relate but i'm so so exhausted honestly um maybe part of it is the nature of what I do. Filming documentaries in intense places on top of traveling all the time on top of being solo which is great because you know you have the opportunity to meet people but at the same time you know it can be very very lonely. Anyone here that can relate?

[8:48:56] If you imagine that you're living in some place but the things you're really excited about are not exactly in your location so you can relate to those people what you do in that place or spot And this is the same as you when you're traveling. The people who are really good friends for you, maybe they are traveling or maybe they moved to other places. So I think the friendship, it's just how you define it, what you see valuable and how much work you want to put in and how much it requires work. I think those are the parameters. But I wouldn't be fooled by moving to some place that it will make your life better just because there's more proximity of things. Yeah, I get your point. But then again, it's like a point you made was that if it requires work, it's really worth it. The thing is, you're never really going to know in advance. Obviously, as you get more older and experienced, you can pick up certain behaviors, but everything is an investment, right? So you'll never really know.

[8:49:44] And from my experience, I found that people that I've been in very close connection with, who had the same interests that I've met them when I was living in different places, now, as the years go by and you don't see them again, that proximity really vanishes. And I don't think it's because of connection, it's because of not being in the same place. does play a role in my opinion. And I guess what I'm trying to say also is that in our society today, we've put on a pedestal, traveling, you know, like if you travel, you have status today, you know, in the past, today too, but in the past it was more so than today. If you had money, you had status, right? Today, on top of money is like travel, you know? So if you travel, and I know this myself, you know, because people see an image on social media and they're like, oh, this is amazing and, you know, and everything. So it's approved and rewarded by society and social media algorithms, which means posts regarding travel are going to be promoted.

[8:50:33] more likely for them to be promoted, which means that behavior becomes pedestalized, you know. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that being in a place, if you, you know, you've chosen the place and you have the luxury, because some people around the world don't have the luxury of choosing, you know, where they're going to live, but that being said, if you do have the privilege of choosing and you chose a place, you know, not everything is going to be exciting all the time, you know, that's what pisses me off sometimes with travel, it's like you, most people, me included, like I've been there, like I'm not, you know, I'm just saying this out of reflection after years, is that, yeah, so you travel because you chase this, like, reward, you know? It's the vicious cycle of getting that dopamine hit, of, you know, going to the next place and meeting the next person. But you oftentimes, like, oftentimes, you know, your life can be great where you are. It's just because I think many people compare themselves to other people, so they won't travel more.

[8:51:21] Whereas if you think about this, like, 100 years ago or 50 years ago with no internet, people couldn't compare, you know, that your comparison was the people in your village. So if the people in your village didn't travel, you wouldn't think that you're missing out on something, you know? But today it's because, you know, you have the knowledge, and it's a good thing, you know? Obviously, the internet, we're here, and we're having this amazing conversation right now. But, you know, I'm always showing you, like, another way. It also makes you subconsciously compare yourself to other people, and it's something that you cannot really control, you know? Because the algorithms are designed for, you know, for us to be addicted to them. So we're not stronger than the algorithm, per se. So we cannot really control how our brain responds to something we see when we use the social media apps. I hope that makes sense. Oh, yeah, Brother Neeraj.

[8:52:09] It's one of those things where when you are down and out, what you need is affirmation. You need some kind of victory. You need some kind of boost in your confidence. But beyond a certain point, it becomes very dangerous. But also there's that other perspective where you realize that you will never receive enough compliments to fill that void in your soul or in your heart. People can compliment you a million times and tell you how awesome you are. The work of getting that hole filled is not something that you can just get by getting compliments from people or having people telling you how awesome you are. And you see this with people that are so thirsty for attention and they get it and it's never enough. There has to be work that is done to get to a place where you don't need that much affirmation and constant compliments from people out there. Because there's a peace inside of you.

[8:53:00] You've walked your path and you are at peace with yourself. And as to how that is done, there's multiple ways that people get there. But I agree with your message in essence. And amen and amen and amen. This is beautiful, brother. You know what this is bringing up for me, which I'll throw in. It's putting things out in the world. without expecting anything back, whether it be leaving chits and not being attached to what likes or reposts are coming. And this also reminds me of Burning Man gift economy, is when you gift someone, it's without attachment of receiving anything back. The gift is the gift in and of itself. And when you're putting things out, it's, I believe, really helpful to give without expectation of receipts. The humble-pracking monster created by AirChat. Quit Proco. Humbleprack about me, and I do the same. I would never do that. Whenever I see humble brags, and I see them everywhere because I'm so good at just tuning into authenticity and hypocrisy, and I call them out.

[8:54:00] I don't let them slide. I call them out. I bring them to people's attention as an act of service. I mean, I could just move on with my day, but I want to make sure people know what's going on, that this is a humble brag. Don't take this guy seriously, and also as a warning to the poster, Like, don't do this again. I've got my eye on you. Mission accomplished. This whole talk about bragging, to me, brings up this delicate, tight wire walk between confidence and ego. When we're getting going and starting out, it's really critical to have confidence and belief in yourself, even if no one else has it in you. And the need to verbalize or externalize that, to me, comes from a sign of insecurity. because when you are confident in yourself, it comes out in your actions and how you carry yourself, not necessarily having to verbalize it to the world. Now, the problem is when that turns into ego because when you can be overconfident or if the world is giving you these positive reflections, it's how to receive those and accept those versus deflecting them away, but also not letting that puff oneself up into the attachment of letting that become a huge ego, which has its own downsides and cost all along.

[8:55:14] Out of that, a very few lot, how many of them are not repeating themselves, meaning that there's some kind of a pattern of what they're doing, similar type of things, or in the realm where they are, but in a completely random, unpredictable way of doing things which are not related in any way, so you're going to know what they're doing, how they are renewing themselves in a way that you cannot predict, or you cannot say where they are, or what they do. that's even more exceptional. But some of these people are like that they will destroy their accomplishments, they don't want to see the trophies, they don't want to see the past things, because it will keep them off moving forward, being in the present, and doing something new, being, again, the rookie, the newcomer, the most dumbest person in the room for a while, and then becoming quickly the most intense and most experienced because of the pure curiosity and the questioning and going fully in, which seldom people are doing, even though they've been doing the same thing for a long, long time, but they tend to repeat themselves and they do it out of happy, but not out of curiosity or they're hungry to learn more or understand the wise and what's underneath it all and go further.

[8:56:20] Okay, so with all this compliment and bragging talk going on, I'm opening up a compliment bragging store from me to people that I know well enough. if you would like for me to craft a compliment for you, because I don't want to just pick people, because then it's going to be like I'm choosing people. If you want me to craft, if you want to see what kind of compliment I can craft for you, just drop a like. The first, let me say, and this is not a trick, maybe the first 10 people that do it, you will get a tailor-made compliment that you can then repost confidently as a brag of how awesome a human being you are. I think that's a fair offer. I'm outside checking the chickens and opening up the greenhouse doors, and I saw the most beautiful yellow butterfly. And it came, and it flew around my head, and then it landed on the ground in a couple of spots. I tried to take a picture, but it flew away too quick, and I realized it kept landing right next to a few piles of dog poop that really need to be cleaned up. And so if I had grabbed that photo, I don't know how appealing it would be to post it. Then I stopped, and I thought, wow, what a metaphor.

[8:57:28] Even though there's a pile of dog poop in life, there's a beautiful butterfly the next foot over. Good reminder. Not very poetic, but I thought it was a good reminder of how beautiful, how many beautiful things there are in life if you just stop and look for them. Good morning to all social butterflies between the chits. Bragging about not bragging is also a brag. Thank you, Sips. Humbled. No pun intended. Soon the only correct way is just to be silent and stop. Chitting round. Ooh Petri, I think there is a new acronym that's gonna come out. CAFO to replace or to complement FAFO. It'll be "chit around and find out". Watch out any humble pracs near you. Soon the only correct way is just be silent and stop. Chitting round. Ooh Petri, I think there is a new acronym that's gonna come out. CAFO to replace or to complement FAFO. It'll be "chit around and find out".

[8:58:56] he's the new white nose generator putting the new generation of air chatter to sleep guaranteed every night only on air chat put it on on youtube channel and you will fall asleep almost instantly oh my god so true when i was breaking into uh coding back in 2018 i was at a boot camp and i was trying to get a job so i just went on and like followed everyone on linkedin and try to... I mean, I got... I ended up with a ton of connections and a lot of engagement. And actually, I mean, I made some relatively deep connections. I never got a job directly from it, but it was fun. I think it boosted my confidence. But yeah, the OnlyFans connection is... I can see that. I definitely don't miss being on there. That's for sure.

[8:59:52] The absolute highest quality people don't hang out and network on LinkedIn for the same reason that the most desirable people don't hang out on Tinder. The highest quality people in the world are hunted. And they're hunted because they have proof of work, either through their beauty or through their accomplishments or through their works. By their works, they shall be known. So ultimately, you just want to do great things and be the best version of yourself, and the world will hunt you down. What is a song or artist you guys think is severely underrated? Morgan James. Help? Can someone brag about me, please? Please? Let me delay it and I'll post it elsewhere, so there's no confusion left. Link in previous chat. That's because of Andrew Huberman. I listen to him way too much now. I have to wake up an hour before, drink a big glass of water, stand outside looking at the sun, wait to have my coffee.

[9:00:45] My mornings are not fun anymore. I'm not enjoying them anymore. You have a place where we can park our RV next to your door. Make sure you take the speed control with you so you can double the speed. Coffee included. Yeah, it was a good one. At some point there's too much drama. People are dying and there's always this on the end of my seat where I just want to, you know, be engorged with the beauty and the way of living. But yeah, it was a good distraction for a while. This is like a hype man. Everybody needs a hype man. That way when you're, you know, being humble and not saying, look at how badass I am, your buddy can step right in and tell everybody else how badass you are. Yeah, you need a good hype man or hype woman. Everybody needs a good hype person.

[9:01:38] Batman and Pac-Man just eats them all. Pimark was so right. There's only one thing to talk about at any particular moment on air chat. You just have to know what it is. isn't it the pcsd post coffee stress disorder post caffeine distress disorder um we all have this in some way if you taste coffee one time in your life you kind of experienced it that's funny is it a crime to take the water for americano from the group because it's temperature controlled so it should be absolutely the same temperature as the espresso so you first take the water and then Puglio espresso. How bad is that? Is that a capital punishment to be banished from the coffee land forever for tea? The fact that I have to wait an hour before my first cup of coffee is making me want to wake up early.

[9:02:32] Isn't it PCSD, post-coffee stress disorder? Post-caffeine stress disorder. We all have this in some way. If you taste coffee one time in your life, you kind of experienced it. That's funny. Have to. That's a very, very strong prohibition right there. Have to. We have complete autonomy over our coffee schedule. If you were next door, I would make you a cup and I would walk it over to you so you wouldn't have to wait. Coffee included. I think life would be really wonderful if LinkedIn adopts this rule. Social media platforms make you perform in public for approval. but LinkedIn is among the worst because it makes you perform in public for money. In that sense, its only cousin is only fans. Real Grammy winner or are you just kidding around?

[9:03:21] I think one of the rules of bragging correctly is that other people can brag about you, but you cannot brag about yourself. I think one of the rules of bragging correctly is that other people can brag about you, but you cannot brag about yourself. I think life would be really wonderful if LinkedIn adopts this rule. Absolutely, Wayne. Absolutely. good questions really help clarify and help you understand your ideas better. So thank you for that contribution. I'm definitely going to think about that as I do the work of trying to explain stuff. I'm gonna have fun as well, so it's not gonna be all serious, but I'm just gonna have fun because you discover how difficult it is to do things, but also there's the fun of it. Like how can I how can I make this enjoyable as well? So I'm looking forward to it. If you can make it fun, you've won. To add briefly what I mean by it works better is if the idea resonates, if people kind of start getting parts of the idea and simulate it for themselves and see that it's something really good, then they'll start to ask questions. And if the questions guided by you are of good quality, then those questions help you to refine and explain the ideas even better.

[9:04:30] So it's an opportunity for both. And I think there's gold in there. I think it was originally your tweet or retweet which pointed me to the reminder of Osmo Beyo again. He's a staple in the Phoenix communication. But definitely like there's six people in any two-person conversation. And that makes it interesting and fun, but also challenging. Have you ever had an idea in your head that is almost like a Lamborghini or a Bugatti? But as soon as you try to deliver it in speech to other people, it comes out more like a Volkswagen Beetle. This is the frustration I live with. I know the ideas are great because when I use them they work, but as soon as I try to explain them to somebody or share them, they die. So at the beginning of the year I decided I'm going to actually try and get good at explaining stuff. And I'm not happy with my progress so far.

[9:05:17] So I'm setting myself a new challenge that every single day I will try and explain an idea. And my goal is to make it as clear as possible. Not that I'll get it right all the time, but because I want to get good at it, I'm going to do it every single day. What I'm going to explain is not going to be dependent or it's not going to be just subject specific. It's going to be whatever I'm finding most interesting. So it's going to loop around, jump around. It won't be me explaining everything mathematics or anything, physics or anything, whatever. It's just going to be whatever interests me the most that day. I don't know how I'm going to do, but it's a challenge. Let's go. Delivering one idea per sheet makes it easier to share them, also reply to that particular idea. but it also makes you do structure and work through your thinking and the clarity of your idea and deliver it like a tweet storm, tit storm.

[9:06:07] But more importantly, also, if you take away all the redundant words, you leave space for others to discover things and find new angles for the things and the gaps in your own thinking. I agree with you completely, brother. Like, I really get it. And that's going to be the goal, to discover all those things, everything. So it's going to be my new obsession to get that right. It's important for me to get it right because I owe it to myself and to my ideas to be able to articulate them well and clearly and in a way that other people can actually understand them. It's no use that I'm the only one that understands them. But as soon as I try to tell them to other people, they die. That's just such an unfortunate thing. So I'm going to work on all of that. But I think everything that you've stated here is correct. I might have to retract my earlier statement about ChatGPT being good. I was having a conversation with ChatGPT in Spanish and I told it to correct me every time I make a mistake. And after the first message, it gave me a response and it said, that was really good, but you used a Portuguese word instead of a Spanish word. You said no, when you should have said no. Please try again. The best would probably to use simultaneously different ones. So trying to put the same prompt to three LLMs and make the fourth one to draw a conclusion based on the results. The new design on iOS makes it hard to use the search.

[9:07:23] if you are replying to some thread and you need to find something to link and it's on somewhere where you need to search and now the navigation is so difficult that you lose the position of the place you want to put there that's it that used to work previously when you could swipe left and right and the search navigation icon was accessible almost everywhere on the app yes i think that was my main problem for following too many people where the feed gets um crowded is i kind of felt like i wasn't seeing like my friends so i mean it makes sense because it's like at any party it's Like, where are you standing in the room? And if you're standing in a place where you can't see or hear your friends, you probably should, like, move. And I think in our case, the way we move is we unfollow people. It seems to happen a few times a day, and you probably are in the peak hours. And the rest of the time, there isn't really much happening. So following a few people may help in that case. But you probably miss something for those who are just randomly posting things.

[9:08:12] But what I found that it's in those peak hours, which are not so many, it's the only viable strategy is to go for the persons directly, check their personal profile page and see the feed, unless somebody else is replying and bumping up. But there's a lot of times I've been posting something when people in the US are sleeping and nobody reads them, because there just isn't enough people in the other time zones. So a little bit of digging is required to find those people who are not in the same time zones as you are. So it's not directly about the amount of people. But then there are also this reverse feed stow effect, I can link it, and then creating the main feed effect, which is when the curators, the high frequency posters and retweeters or titters are active and your feed is just filling so far that you cannot go back in the feed. So these are a few of the effects of air chatting.

[9:09:04] If you wonder how the old CDs and maybe even LPs sound so much better, the answer is partly that there was loudness wars. And you can see that everything has been pumped to the max and that reduces the overall quality and experience of listening. It takes a lot to resist what's going to make you popular, what's going to make you most liked. And it explains why TikTok came in and they had so much success, because they figured that out. But then, because of that, other companies had to jump in and try and copy the strategy that was working, because it turns out we humans cannot resist popularity and fame. It's a hard thing. So I understand why people would always gravitate to what's going to make them most popular. It takes a lot to resist it. It's difficult.

[9:09:53] Here we are, crafting sound bangers. I suspect it may be network-related on my side, because I recorded it shit, and it wasn't showing up on top of the main feed on my feed, and I had to wait a bit, wait for it to refresh before it starts showing. So I didn't even get a chance to attach something, even though I wanted to attach it. So it could be network-related, but I appreciate your quick response. In my case, I haven't noticed it before. It started to just happen in the last 24 hours, maybe 48 hours. And I don't think it's network related because it's always been sent. And if you go immediately to my profile, you'll see it there. But if you go back to the feed or where I posted it, it still doesn't appear there. So I think it's probably some kind of UI thing, at least in the iOS. Or maybe it doesn't get some kind of feedback from the server. I'm definitely going to watch it and see if it happens again.

[9:10:43] And if it does, then I'll just shake and bake it, send it in. I cried so hard reading Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant. Heck, I even recorded it as a video and later sent it to Kamal. It made me realize just how much my parents loved me. And I think there was a lot of forgiveness that I realized was needed to be done. And I think every child learns to forgive their parents for various grudges they hold against them. I remember, while absolutely bawling, I had this visualization of some of the hardest moments of my life. And I saw my younger self, like this grade 3 sigil, and I went up to him and I just hugged him. I was like an older brother to myself.

[9:11:34] And in that almost, like, euphoric state of realization, I reprogrammed that difficult memory of me crying in front of, like, the grade 3 class during presentation to be something much more positive. And my older self is in that memory when I rethink of it. So thank you, Kamal, for writing this. It made me realize just how, I don't know, loved I've been. I really felt it. Like, holy shit, you know? I'm going to have been, like, my ass might have been whooped sometimes as a kid, but damn, they still love me. You know what I'm saying? love you mom and dad love you max oh snap the fomo is kicking in damn air chat there's a new bug when you post a new cheat the tools for adding images stacking people doesn't appear after a while you have to go to your profile and see the cheat there and that's the only way to use that 15 minute window now it seems to be working i don't know what happened It happened multiple times. I even have some screenshots to prove it.

[9:12:36] In your 30s, health takes the lead. More wealth you seek to meet its need. When is the wise part coming from the healthy wealth device? That has to be such a fun doc to have. All I can think about is Bear from the TV show Person of Interest. If you haven't seen it, you gotta see this clip. This is the first time they meet. That was such a fun TV series and a lot of the things they speak about there have already become reality and they were so ahead of stay time. There's power in revisiting past memories and experiences. First, you rewrite them. That's how the brain works. You don't store the memories like a read-only memory. You rewrite them. So they change when you visit and touch them.

[9:13:25] And of course, this can be an opportunity. But the other one is also that if you're looking at something that happened in your past in childhood, and now you as an adult can understand things differently and probably see them better, what happened, and understand maybe a bit more about the surroundings and reasons what happened. And this gives you an opportunity to have another perspective on the matter and maybe even settle it. I changed my mind. I will listen to it and then I will read it. I cried so hard reading Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends On It by Kamal Ravikant. Heck, I even recorded it as a video and later sent it to Kamal. It made me realize just how much my parents loved me. And I think there was a lot of forgiveness that I realized was needed to be done. And I think every child learns to forgive their parents for various grudges they hold against them.

[9:14:19] I remember while absolutely bawling, I had this visualization of some of the hardest moments of my life. And I saw my younger self, like this like grade three sigil, and I went up to him and I just hugged him. I was like an older brother to myself. And in that almost like euphoric state of realization, I reprogrammed that difficult memory of me crying in front of like the grade three class during presentation to be something much more positive. And my older self is in that memory when I rethink of it. So thank you, Kamal, for writing this. It made me realize just how, I don't know, loved I've been. I really felt it. Like, holy shit, you know? I'm going to have been like, my ass might have been whooped sometimes as a kid, but damn, they still love me. You know what I'm saying?

[9:15:07] Love you, mom and dad. Love you, Max. Max discovered the secret of Finns. When two people are talking, there are six people in the conversation. Who you think you are is the first one. Second, who you think the other person is. Third, who you think the other person thinks you are. Fourth, who the other person thinks they are. Fifth, who the other person thinks you are. Sixth, who the other person thinks you think they are. It's complex. So the iTunes Music Store was launched on this day 21 years ago. Who could have possibly known how many services businesses would have been born out of one product? So happy birthday, iTunes Music Store. Only 99 cents by now. and Japan will never be the same. And Japan is in. Brian, no. I don't know the first thing about being a venture capitalist, but I'd assume that betting on products to fail wouldn't be the right approach or attitude to take.

[9:16:04] One of the best VCs in the business, Tim Chang, told me a long time ago that he felt like his job was to be in service of the entrepreneur. And even after a meeting, if he wasn't going to invest, or even if he didn't believe in it, he always felt thankful to the entrepreneur. for taking that risk, for doing what it takes to follow their dream, follow their vision, and give up the other opportunities along the way to really work at making what they want happen in the world. So a VC has to be optimistic about the future, and a great VC, I think, has to be in service of the entrepreneur. Nope, I'm not doing them anymore. It's a young man's game. Especially all the multinational roadshows. You wreck your health in your 20s in order to make enough money to buy it back in your 30s. Morsi Morsi, AI, how you been doing? Thank you for recommendation. I just realized this message now.

[9:16:54] I'm very, um, finding difficult sometimes to keep up air chat. Like it's, I don't know. I mean, I'm personally not good at those things, keeping up like fast moving things. So, um, but thank you and I will check it out. No need to rush. The message was waiting for you. I meant to say I just heard a very serious it. Happy birthday Linda. Thank you, thank you. A great question can kill a bad idea. That's why it's useful to focus on developing quality questions. Hot off the presses, we have a new build in the App Store for iOS, version 3.1.1, and that has a channel directory, or at least a first version thereof, so you should be able to find channels to join. And it has translation, but very limited translation.

[9:17:44] Translation from just a small handful of languages into English when you encounter the script. It's not voice-based translation, it's text translation. And don't worry if it doesn't incorporate your language just yet. Right now it's only a limited number of languages for performance reasons. In the future, we're also going to look at adding and opening up more channels, but this channel directory is the first start. Now you can find channels to join. What is the advice? that people don't want. The real advice. Because most of the time, real advice is simple, straightforward, but hard to do. And advice in and of itself is trying to find a short way. But most of the times, there are no short ways. And also, people don't listen to advices. They ask for them, mostly people, but people don't listen to advices. Most of the times, I think. It takes an open and humble mind to hear something you don't want to hear.

[9:18:32] Yeah, and the people who have open and humble mind, they love to hear the things they don't want to hear. They really like score. They love that feedback. Personally, I would love that if I get the right feedback that this is something that I'm doing wrong. Today, when we look back 2,000 years, we mourn the loss of the Great Library of Alexandria. 2,000 years from now, I think the risk, looking back, is knowing what is real and what is not. with all the AI-generated content. It's already confusing Google. And it's not really disinformation, but it's not authentic information. So I wonder if looking back 2,000 years from now, they'll be just as confused as history has lost through obfuscation. The power of voice and visual explanations. About 30 years ago, yeah, I'm getting a bit old, I used to be into the rave scene and I was using drugs quite heavily, even though it was recreationally.

[9:19:31] And I had a kind of experience where the world started kind of breaking apart for me. And I kind of started questioning things very much, but I was really, really scared. And I couldn't, I had no kind of way of putting things together. And eventually I was told that there was a clinic where people got help. It was just free help, what you could call in. So I went to the clinic and I was trying to explain to the guy what was going on for me. And he was asking me about certain drugs that were around at the time that I suspected that they'd got experience with. And I remember seeing a whiteboard in there and I knew I wasn't getting anything across in any reasonable way. So I stood up and got the pen and I drew a picture of a stickman in the air and I drew a line under the stickman. And I said to the guy, look, that's me here and this is reality.

[9:20:24] And I need to get back to reality. I need to find reality. And the guy, I'll never forget the guy, just said to me, come back in 12 weeks, you'll be okay. And I walked out of that clinic that day and what seemed like a curse but was actually a blessing, I realized that I had to do this on my own and I had to find my way back to reality, so to speak. And that image has stuck with me for a long time. And it wasn't until somebody pointed out the simplicity in how I described something. But what he also said was that I was kind of optimistic if I thought that somebody could help me find reality, which was another thing that resonated. So that experience was a great one. So you left it in a cliffhanger. Did you ever get back to reality? Hey, maybe there is a part two. I just haven't rolled it out yet. But yeah, I like to think I've got my two feet on the ground and my head still in the clouds from time to time, and it works in a nice symbiosis.

[9:21:27] Native writer and native speaker. Time can unveil, but you have to come up with the explanations. I finally found the area where to buy the PDF, but do you have a physical copy of the book, like through Amazon or anything like that? I did a room last year on EFChat, and the web links are not working anymore, or maybe it's temporary. But here's a direct link for the video version of the EFChat room, which explains a little bit about the book. Are there other appendicitis victims out there? Hello, everyone. Is there any David Lynch fan or Laszlo Antrier fan here? Or Andrei Tokovsky? if so, list out your film set that you've loved made by Tarkovsky or Lynch or David Lynch or Laszlo Antir and has anyone seen the film Bo is Afraid and Dream Scenario and Bardo the Chronicle of False Truth that's by the guy who did Birdman and Revenant just interested I'd leave your opinions and thoughts and you guys have a good night insult yes I've noticed I've been having a lot more conversations about the deeper things in life on air chat far more than I did when Twitter first came out as well although it is a little bit reminiscent but the other thing that I'm interested in that ties into film is all of my favorite movies have something to do with the depth of the human experience that we don't understand.

[9:23:08] The Matrix, Inception, Waking Life, Vanilla Sky, all of these movies in some way, shape, or form deal with either the unconscious mind or the subconscious mind and also tie into different layers of reality. So, I don't know that I have a question here, apart from what are some of your favorite movies or films that have that theme to it that I might not have mentioned. And there's a lot, I'm sure. But I'd also be curious to get some thoughts on why people seem more open in discussing these universal mysteries.

[9:24:00] Is it just more effective because you have a longer format and multiple ways of consuming? I don't know. You already have the keyword there, discussing. So this is the native platform for discussions. Text is far too easy to misunderstand, either intentionally or unintentionally. And this is the most natural way of discussing things, so you can hear the tone and the different layers of speak. So the voice is a natural way of discussing these things. Some of the... Well, I've been sifting from movies because I think nowadays movies are more like trailers for TV series which can give more depth to the stories and to the characters and to the timelines, what's happening within the plot. But there are a few interesting ones. 1899 is one of the recent ones. I already mentioned that somewhere else here.

[9:24:49] Alice in Borderland is a Japanese one. It's a little bit violent, but it also has something if you watch it to the end. And Dark has also these quite sci-fi things, but so is Matrix as well. Bro, there's no Pigglypuff coin yet, so you could make that coin and buy it. And now you're both a venture capitalist and a founder. And soon the US government will give you more titles. Certified boomer moment. Syntax error. One of my favorite rooms in the previous edge hack was "What's in a name?" and I want to bring it back. So once again I want to ask you guys "What's your name?" "What's the name of your name?" and "What's the story behind me?" I would love to know it all. And silence reveals the truth.

[9:25:38] But it looks like Kevin took it too seriously. Better let him cook. You don't want to go to the kitchen. It might be messy. And silence reveals the truth. I would beg to differ. I don't think there's any truth to be discovered without the will. One must be in its pursuit to have any chance of coming close to it. Yes, usually it helps if you're awake. And silence reveals the truth. Some cases, but in others, they are just multiple layers of a laugh and nothing more. And silence reveals the truth. I think time reveals the truth, not necessarily silence. Silence will probably help you see the truth.

[9:26:28] But time itself is a better indicator of truth. Given that, of course, I think all truth is contextual. Most truths are contextual. Time can unveil, but you have to come up with explanations. You can't name your cat vampire and then expect it not to disappear. Kevin the cook. I'd like to join this group. I'm Kevin. I'm Kevin. There is no joy in Mudville over that. Sounds to me that there's a lot of pain to avoid E61 group coffee makers. You backflush them, depending on your frequency, about minimum once in a week, maybe a little bit more often, with some kind of tablets and it takes five minutes and that's it. the service you have to do. So I don't know what the fuss is about. Hey founders, I'm going to let you in on a secret. Your job in the very beginning is to be a steward and a guardian of your own secret. Those that you share it with may tell you you're crazy. Most won't buy it, believe it, or even get it. And your job is to press forward, double down, triple down, and to protect your secret with integrity, purity, maniacal devotion until the secret starts getting shared with teammates, customers, and perhaps investors until one day you wake up and the secret becomes an obvious truth in the eyes of the market. The feed is also time dependent. So if you're posting something now and it's off peak hours, people are not picking up when they wake up and there are people watching so same less cross posting linking to old content is something you can do because that will just bump up the content and i just did it just a few minutes ago with something i did early on so you can post a new post into the thread and then people will see it and that's a good way but also doing for others if you see something interesting just reboost it reach it and maybe add a comment and it will be pumped up so the older conversations can still be big

[9:28:33] up that way so I wouldn't worry too much if nothing has been seen for example today I've been putting something which hasn't been picked up by anybody but it's just the nature of the feed you have to go to the person's profile and then scroll and find those things and who does that you know I have also noticed that the feed is time dependent and I'm trying to understand this feed I mean sometimes there are a lot of people to interact with there's a lot of content whatever you post gets picked up very easily and sometimes it doesn't you know so I think this feed is definitely changing with time and maybe people haven't interacted with you because they haven't seen your content like i am interested in buddhism and spirituality but i haven't seen your content so i would have definitely interacted with you so it all depends what we are getting on our feet and how to change that and how to how to make it exciting even i'm trying to figure that out yeah there was some discussion about that yesterday also introduced a new term reverse feed stau stau is a german word meaning congestion traffic jam so if you check that thread you will see a little bit more about also the popularity of different days but also tend to different timings so it's the california time morning and night or evening which work and the rest is pretty not so not so busy and you can also go deeper into the feed more hours back so that helps to get more content.

[9:29:55] I started watching it and it was too painful. It was the same GPT-4 output garbage midwit talk but with a convincing looking video of Reid Hoffman. I don't think this thing is alive or in any way going to be alive at least at this rate, maybe the next version. But I think if you were just to remove the talking avatar and voice and just read the results, you would not be impressed. It was not even a live footage. It was scripted. It was a jump cut. So you don't really know what else behind it, like the Google video where they had, well, they were using After Effects and Photoshop and whatnot because things were not exactly as they demonstrated a few months ago. So same vibe here. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Yeah, no, I hear all of that. I get you. And I'm still trying to figure out how I want to engage it in a way that I feel good about.

[9:30:43] I started a big post on Buddhism, which was fun, and I went down a lot of rabbit holes with different people, but it's also kind of lost its own steam, And that might be because people aren't on the app as much or because, you know, sometimes conversations kind of roll and finish on their own. And yeah, it might be also there's not enough followers on that conversation and there's not enough people interested in that topic based on the current demographics. So that's also kind of interesting. I'm also trying to figure out, you know, the navigating air chat itself. It's still a bit of a struggle, right? Because it's like if I want to go to film, I have to kind of scroll right to left to finally find the film channel and then I post in the film channel and people see it or not. So it's a little bit tedious still. So I'm very curious how they're going to roll out updates in the next few weeks. But yeah, I think it's both. It's both trying to figure out where I personally fit into this, and secondly, trying to figure out how to navigate this as the app itself evolves and finds itself. The feed is also time-dependent.

[9:31:32] So if you're posting something now and it's off-peak hours, people are not picking up when they wake up, and there are more people watching. So same, less cross-posting, linking to old content is something you can do because that will just bump up the content. And I just did it just a few minutes ago with something I did early on. So you can post a new post into the thread and then people will see it. And that's a good way. But also doing it for others. If you see something interesting, just reboost it, re-chid it, and maybe add a comment and it will be bumped up. So all the conversations can still be picked up that way. So I wouldn't worry too much if nothing has been seen. For example, today I've been putting something which hasn't been picked up by anybody. But it's just the nature of the feed. You have to go to the person's profile and then scroll and find those things. And who does that? Kevin the Cook.

[9:32:21] I thought Enlightenment was supposed to be perfect knowledge, man. I got gypped on that one. Should see if I can get a refund. No wonder they've been trying to sell tobacco or they have been trying to make wine out of water and provide some fish and nothing really seems to stick. Totally unemployable. They don't fit for this world anymore. Nothing they say makes any sense. I know AirChat is different because I'm starting to think different when it comes to using it. Early on, do things that do not scale. Absolutely. It was all about crocs, and Winduvor had nothing to do with it. AirChat Pokemon. Collect all the funny transcripts. The difficulty with prompt art is that you don't really know what's coming out of the transcription. AirChat Pokemon. Collect all the funny transcripts.

[9:33:12] Literal logic stops here. Oh, that explains how half of San Francisco got on AirChat. And it was always 100% plus 20%. But I really can't discount the possibility that Sigil is messing with me, because I don't think he has anything better to do. No, come on. Sigil is really busy. He's taking selfies with half of the population of San Fran. He will have no time for such frivolous matters. If you don't see the content you would like to see here, start talking. That's the best connect you can have for both your consumers. Now that I've experienced magic, it's normal and I demand more. Don't die and normalize magic. If you talk to any musician, especially jazz musicians, where music is transposed a lot, they'll tell you that transposing music is incredibly difficult.

[9:34:01] Transposing, for those that don't know, means taking music that's in one key and playing it in a different key. So the corollary I like for this is translating things between different languages. and one of the mistakes you'll find out that people make when they're trying to translate between languages is they try to go word by word and just figure out what's the translation of that word what's the translation of this word over here and piecemeal it together but fluent language speakers translate by understanding the meaning and then conveying that meaning in the language trying to translate to so the way this applies to transposing music is you are more fluent in certain keys than you are in other keys probably every musician out there is more fluent in the key of C than they are in any other key. They just understand it better. So if you go out and you're trying to transpose music, you will transpose it more easily into the key of C because you understand the key better. When you hear something a different key, you know what those sounds are. You know how to make those sounds in the key of C so you don't have to go through the act of trying to transpose each individual chord because you know what sound you're going for and you know how to create it in that key. So I think a much more practical way to go about getting better at transposing music is just to get more fluent in each individual key. If I were trying to get really good at that, What I would do is I would take a bunch of my repertoire and transpose all of them into one key at a time.

[9:35:12] Like if I'm going through all my songs, I'd play all of them in E flat. And then the next day I'd play all of them in E or play all of them in F and so on and so forth. Because you want to get better at the individual key. You want to understand that better. You want to be more fluent. It's all in the name, isn't it? Baby steps first at half speed. And silence reveals the truth. No. you just have to follow from the first shit and then the loop closes before you're all up post taking random things so personally oh you're like feels bad i feel bad like you do you usually get so agitated with random things like that it's not exactly random if you go to the beginning and i don't think he takes it personally there's a There's a great community here.

[9:36:02] There are people who are building a product. And if somebody comes and starts to misbehave, it's a good test on the community that people are protecting each other. And also it shows that this is a place worth building and looking after. I must have missed some context, but I only read one message which said the platform won't be there five years from now. And that's it. So if there's more, I mean, okay, I will take a step back. And if that's all the message that brings some agitation, I'm not convinced. No, don't try to convince me. Just that agitation is like, that should not be the core of a thing. We are the people.

[9:36:54] If any message can bring agitation in us, that doesn't make us who we are. Or if that's what makes us who we are, there's a gap in the core of something we are doing it wrong. That's my thought. Okay, I'll take a step back. That's all, guys. Thank you. The most complicated skill is to be simple. It's easy, after the fact. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. Is this the weekend? We're going to have a brilliant sound acting here. We already have karaoke. Is it just me, or is transcription quality degrading? It seems to handle golf terms properly. It seems to weaken started with a Streisand effect. Trusting editorials and newspapers to give you legit information about the ground reality of things is a very stupid thing to do.

[9:37:54] I cannot emphasize enough how motivated these editorials are. and at the end of the day it's just one person. If you want to know the ground reality of things, you've got to get to the ground. That's where you find the reality. It's even more foolish to read those newspapers and magazines. They are pure opinion pieces nowadays. iPad battery is suddenly running out three times as fast as it used to, so pretty safe to say Tim Cook has a planned obsolescence refresh cycle prepared for us. Just so, first the screen time of AirChat, that might be another explanation. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. That is hilarious.

[9:39:05] Idle minds. Yes, that is clearly where it's headed. You can already hack it to do that, but we're going to make it a lot more easy, a lot more obvious, and a lot more in line with what people expect from podcasts these days. We want to enable effortless podcasting. In the latest build, I noticed some of the tweets from the people who I'm following, and their replies, they are grayed out like the hidden ones. And it's confusing. I know what it means. Does it mean that I've already seen it? But I'm following them, at least when I click the profile picture, it shows following. So it's not the same as hidden, because it doesn't have that hidden eye icon and the text hidden. So it has something else, but it's a little bit confusing. I would appreciate that the things I've already seen, that maybe they are indicated somehow, or even somewhat hidden, and then I have a toggle to put it on and off. but that feature is just puzzling.

[9:39:55] No, the great out replies doesn't mean that you have already seen them. That just means that your followers won't see them until you interact with them. So if you like the reply or you engage with it by replying, then it will become visible to your followers as well. I figured it out. It means you haven't seen it yet or it hasn't been active. You could be. And in fact, if you just incorporate an LLC and call it a GP entity, then you're ready to raise money. Sometimes a silent partner would be more appropriate. How Blue Sky has managed to get more than 5 million users where NOSTA is still under a million. And when Blue Sky had 1 million users, they had only 1500 daily active users. Rabble, co-founder of Twitter, explains what's going on with NOSTA and why it hasn't really taken off and what should be done about it. I've now been using my humane AI pin for a full day and I have still not been able to get it to do anything. To delve is human. After all. It's just an average of all the content it's ever interacted with.

[9:40:58] The ATI train never left the station. Native rider and native speaker. Be native speaker. The tweet and the reality. Sound on. They move fast and break things, so there's no promise that any version will be working until they are getting the app into a pretty stable state. So it'll be a while. But that's fine. When you were working on your project, did you notice an odd API structure? Like different API calls that were fragmented to retrieve very specific types of information, instead of being more generic, in which you can request certain kinds of information? For example, there are API calls to get a stream, then to get thread details. And then you have to make a lot of different API calls to get full chain of a thread message. And I mean, maybe I'm misreading the API or not finding different exposed endpoints, which I should be using.

[9:41:51] But it's just been very mysterious into how the actual API works. And it really needed to be understood and parsed. And everything needed to be tried out and experimented on versus something that's more straightforward. They can't. Other replies always go off to the side. It's a little hard to stay locked into your existing thread, but you can do it if you pay close attention to who you're replying to. In the latest build I have noticed some of the tweets from the people who I'm following, and their replies, they are read out like the hidden ones. And it's confusing. I don't know what it means. Does it mean that I've already seen it? But I'm following them, at least when I click the profile picture, it shows following. So it's not the same as hidden, because it doesn't have that hidden eye icon and the text hidden. So it has something else, but it's a little bit confusing. I would appreciate that the things I've already seen, that maybe they are indicated somehow, or even somewhat hidden, and then I have a toggle to put it on and off.

[9:42:44] But that feature is just puzzling. One well-constructed sentence can represent years of work, and can save others centuries of work. The modern world has essentially infinite variety in possibilities and very high leverage. The ancient world had very little leverage and very few possibilities. So in the ancient world, downside risk was high. You made the wrong decision, you could die. So pessimism was appropriately rewarded. In the modern world, the downside risk is low. We live in much safer societies and the upside gains are very high because of both financial leverage and because of lots and lots of people that you could meet with and lots of different types of jobs and work and opportunities you could have. So it makes sense to be optimistic in the real world and more pessimistic in the ancient world. You want to be like Marc Andreessen famously said, someone with strong opinions loosely held. But I would add strong opinions loosely held on the upside, not on the downside. I read this and the only thing I could think about was thank god. Sorry Naval.

[9:43:38] They probably omitted the fact that the Inuits were turned off quite quickly after that peek and they were troubled for many days. Yes, they did. Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth. What truth? There is no spoon. there is no spoon then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends it is only yourself he said he did i'm not sure if he was just trying to act cool as sometimes 13 year olds do or if he really liked it In manner of speaking I just want to say That I could never forget the way You told me everything, I say nothing. In manner of speaking I don't understand How love in silence becomes a reprimand But the way that I feel about you is beyond words. I remember there were some people who were starting to stream on Twitter at that time, and they just got a lot of gear and started to do DJing without much knowledge, but they just had the money to throw into the gear and they started to do live streams. Probably not too many people now.

[9:45:13] also in history, so it was just a father enjoying for themselves and maybe learning curiosity. And I'll have to take the time. The first AirChat weekend hackathon for startups has just started. Well, I think it was one or two days ago he was sharing how he made his first million or millions. And there's probably some tens of minutes of content if you want to listen. Did I wake up at 1.50 a.m. and proceed to reply to all my air chats? Yes. Yes, I did. Back to sleep. Sleep well, everyone. Mr. Anderson, these transcripts remind me of the movie Matrix. We are all falling cold behind the screen, living in a virtual world.

[9:46:05] do not try and bend the spoon that's impossible instead only try to realize the truth what truth there is no spoon there is no spoon then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends it is only yourself how's your experience because you're following like a thousand people like sometimes like my feet is just dead or at least it's completely stagnant it's just the same stuff like you described before. Does it also happen with you in the same manner? Or do you think there's like, so I'm trying to get an indication of how much activity there's really happening on those off days. Yeah, generally my strategy now has been to just lurk in channels and see the people who are starting interesting conversations and just follow those people. I haven't unfollowed anyone yet, at least I don't think so. Maybe a week ago I asked him about his experience and he never replied and my guess was that it was the reason that he never saw it because of exactly the influx of messages and whatever is coming to his feed and it wasn't he did it intentionally because i called him for that later on and he replied but it was just that you know you cannot just keep up with the stuff it becomes too much and i don't think that's the purpose of this app it's you can maybe form a few new friends per day and because they're not at the same time online some of them or four weeks. So there's sort of a Rolodex friendship going on all the time. So it's manageable even though you get to know more than the Dunbar number or multiple of the Dunbar number.

[9:47:38] But it's still different than having a firehose of followings and followers at once. This is where Balaji's network state idea is intriguing. If we can connect with people genuinely as if we're in person over air chat and other mediums then it's like the precursor, you know, forming the bonds virtually before establishing the physical location. And establishing the bonds virtually is a very difficult task, especially because text doesn't encapsulate a lot of the soul, like voice does and like video does and like the metaverse may. So I do hope that these digital forms of connection will improve and evolve so that we can strengthen bonds virtually. and if we have strong enough bonds virtually, then maybe one day lots of people will start creating neighborhoods and start creating communities physically, locally. Because it is a big commitment to do that. So the virtual experience that you have with other people has got to be pretty damn great for you to give up everything and move somewhere with them.

[9:48:41] So it seems like these virtual forms of communication that enhance human connection might be maybe the precursor to the network state really unfolding in the proper way. In a scalable way that a lot of people actually opt into voluntarily, eagerly even. Is there a need to physically be in the same place? Because people love different things, they enjoy different climates, and they may have different needs because of their families and cultures and whatnot, but they may not associate with the people next to them. So if there are different layers, meta layers, you know, like we're talking around the world here, and like Sips was saying that he has a few close friends he can call if something happens locally, but he probably can call more people around the world in some other matters. So could it also be formed in a way that everybody, your next door neighbor is affiliated, associated with some other type of virtual digital network?

[9:49:40] So do we really need these physical layers in that sense? Probably this will look more like a libertarian society where you're paying for the services and it's not totally top-down, centralized on every aspect and one-size-fits-all type of solutions. But do we really need to live next to each other? Yeah, generally my strategy now has been to just lurk in channels and see the people who are starting interesting conversations and just follow those people. I haven't unfollowed anyone yet, at least I don't think so. maybe a week ago I asked him about his experience and he never replied and my guess was that it was the reason that he never saw it because of exactly the influx of messages and whatever is coming to his feed and it wasn't he did it intentionally because I called him for that later on and he replied but it was just that you know you cannot just keep up with the stuff it's interesting it seems that there are sort of like periods on air chat and are more interesting and more calm so yesterday I was on air chat at the end of the day and there was nothing that going on that I found interesting and today I see a lot of interesting conversations maybe because it's Friday yes yeah like yesterday there was so much stuff happening that I didn't see many hours like in the football defense depth the depth wasn't really good so I couldn't see many hours you know backwards and today there wasn't really anything I was surprised that when I went to bed into Europe and I woke up and the next morning I could see the whole thing more or less with the 1k people.

[9:51:07] So there wasn't almost anything done while I was sleeping. And then there was this, well, let's say that it's not suitable for work type of picture, which I didn't really want to see. And it was just coming all the time to my feed. So the feed depth was unfortunately going too much and that wasn't even too deep. So there was no new stuff coming. And yeah, so it can be almost completely empty at times. what I linked early on with the bipolar days early on in that thread. There was also the timing. So the California times, the evening nights and the mornings are the best times for the feed globally. So you have time for those. But for example, today is Friday, so people are going off. So probably there's not going to be that much stuff happening, but you never know. Can I put instant coffee in my espresso machine?

[9:51:55] I'm out of beans. This was my first time I saw using the picture as a Grammarly. Maybe that could be a feature. Yes, Petri. I remember reading Elon Musk's biography by Walter Isaacson and coming away from it, just admiring how much work he had put in, but also just realizing that his childhood must have been very tough. And as somebody who's been in therapy, I'm not no professional, but I see a lot of childhood trauma still stuck with Elon in the way he responds to things and the way he also sees the world sometimes. And I think my hope is he does find the therapy that he needs to really start to move much more from a higher self and not from his wounded inner child self. And this gets really complex and more in-depth. But yeah, I remember just coming away from it like, yes, there's a lot of trauma here. But sometimes that trauma, and I think Walter Isaacson also mentioned this, is also the sort of like threshold he needed to reach to become as successful as he's become. So it's just one of those things that I really do hope that now he's maybe attained the heights.

[9:52:48] He can really seek therapy that can lead to the healing that his inner child actually needs. So in case the room doesn't open, it's air.chat forward slash Petri, my first name, P-E-T-R-I forward slash, and then Elon's first and last name, Elon Musk, all together. You just type it in any browser and it should open the room and you should be able to listen to it. But just keep in mind that you have to click the booklet, then you have to scroll to the top, then you have to click it to move the header to that position. Then you have to repeat it again and do it a few times until you find that you really are in the beginning, if you want to start from the beginning, because it doesn't start from the beginning. This was my first time I saw using the picture as a Grammarly. All that explains. Well, that's an expensive hobby. I guess Om, who is here, is a fan of Lego and my profile picture has been also taken by a friend of mine with Lego.

[9:53:40] Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think I still have a couple of handbags sitting around somewhere. Most of the stuff I've made, I've given away, or I've snuck it into consignment shops and stuff like that. But I think I've still got handbags sitting around in a closet somewhere. Sometimes it takes a little while for it to upload. Then there are two of these photos, uploaders, or the ways you can attach the image at least on iOS. And it's a little bit clunky, clinky in a way. And it's not always obvious. You have to push the attach one button, I think in both cases, but it's not clearly showing it. So yeah, maybe it's the coffee, maybe it's a system, or maybe it's Friday, but at least it's not the Friday 30th. Yeah, I think I might have... I'm using pretty bad Wi-Fi at the moment. I was at the moment, I was pretty far away from it, and I think I navigated away as soon as I hit the button, or maybe I didn't hit the... I might not have hit the attach button. Oops. I think it was me. I'm pretty sure it was me. So I found myself using certain products during certain times. For For example, I only check TikTok in bed.

[9:54:48] Not proud of it. Not a good habit, but that's the only place I use TikTok. And for AirChat, I usually use it on the stationary bike. That's actually why I'm a little bit out of breath right now. But for whatever reason, stationary bike and AirChat are symbiotic. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Bring AirChat with you to bed. The best chits are said horizontally. Some years back, I was interviewing Sandra Lox, a fashion designer. And here's her company's website. And she's doing from denim jeans, from recycled materials, clothes, I think mainly for women, but also accessories, if I remember correctly. So cool, Petri. It looks like she might be in New York in two weeks or so. So if anybody from here is going to meet her, just let's do a practical joke and say hello from me. So what do you guys, is this for listening to records?

[9:55:36] It looks like it's a plug-in. So I have the Apple headphones. Is that like sufficient or is this like substantially better? I mean, I don't think I'm an audiophile enough to tell, but I'm fascinated. I've never even heard of this. A lot of things are like that. You just have to know the good stuff. But usually it takes a little bit of investigation for the matter to find the real good stuff. This is just totally true. I don't think Europeans should be allowed in the U.S. Because their fashion is just too good. It makes the rest of us look really shitty. Reminds me one time when I was in New York in some rather fancy hotel. The receptionist was asking, are you in the government business or like why? Well, I was just referring to my regular working clothes. Yeah, it's completely unfair and brings the rest of us down. I am a capitalist in every single way except for this. This, I'm a full-on communist. Bring on the quality of fashion.

[9:56:26] Everybody should be wearing sweatpants like me. How do you signal that you are in an awkward place while you're doing your shit? For example, like send from iPhone was the thing in the early days, excusing for the typos. So if you're exercising or you're in some other weird place, how do you tell that with your voice? So I found myself using certain products during certain times. For example, I only check TikTok in bed. Not proud of it. Not a good habit. But that's the only place I use TikTok. And for AirChat, I usually use it on the stationary bike. That's actually why I'm a little bit out of breath right now. But for whatever reason, the stationary bike and AirChat are symbiotic. I don't know. I don't know what it is. That's funny. Unless you're recording your TikToks, it wouldn't actually make sense to swap them the other way around. I totally get it if you want to get to sleep and you may need to whisper or something. But yeah, it's kind of funny that when you need to use the audio, you are out of breath. There is so much joy in space than in stuff.

[9:57:20] So I recently moved one of the furnitures, a standing desk, from my bedroom. And now I'm looking at the room and there's an empty space. The empty space is just getting the feeling of nothing being there. it just feels so good like the room just opens up it looks bigger it feels easier to walk I never really liked acquiring stuff to put it in the house I rather have space everywhere and I can just you know empty everything out except for the bare essentials that I need negative space is the thing well it's actually a stationary bike so not so dangerous why it didn't work was it the technology too challenging or was it that they couldn't find a market fit or some other other things that's curious because the voice has been something we've been tested so many times i remember voice portals in the early 2000s even uh any fans of akikaurismaki here or other finnish cinema please i would like to hear opinions and if you don't know who it is you should definitely look it up and watch one of those movies it's a special type cinema, Kino. I know Unity loves the Nudik Noir, so if you have any recommendation for the Finnish TV series or anything available on Netflix, feel free. I didn't really do anything else except mention Bordertown in English and The Bridge, the Swedish Danish one.

[9:58:49] It doesn't do anything for me at all. I mean, I can go to sleep right after a cup of coffee, but it tastes delicious and so I look at coffee as quality of the beverage and wonderful taste not as baseline or elevation or anything of that nature well there certainly are differences in waters and well I'm not probably exactly as picky with the waters than I'm with the coffees but yeah there's certainly huge differences I don't know how to call them they are not diesel but well let's leave it at that maybe with coffees obviously you have the different brands but I I don't know, maybe it is because you would need to roast it yourself. And I don't know how long the raw beans would last. And what would be the way to do the vintages? Is that even a thing? Is that possible? It doesn't match anything, so I think that's why it's perfect. I love the brilliance of the AirPods, where you're in the middle of a phone call and then you have to say, Siri, put the volume up or down.

[9:59:48] And that's not really the best experience for those in the other end of the line. Yeah, they don't usually are that good that you can completely, if you're not blasting techno or stuff like that, but certainly keeping your situational awareness is not out of the question, but just blocking all the noises. That's a fascinating idea. How do you even communicate with other people? Would it just passively play the conversations and you can interject? Would you need voice commands? What do you think? I love the brilliance of the AirPods where you're in the middle of a phone call and then you have to say, Siri, put the volume up or down. And that's not really the best experience for those in the other end of the line. I guess they will need to have AirCat chat. Cat chat. That could be a jazz channel. I'm no US expert, but does it become serious when you switch from inches to millimeters?

[10:00:42] One of the things that I've noticed is that whispering is also really easy to do, and the transcription is really good. I don't think enough people have realized yet that you can actually whisper with a great deal of privacy into your microphone. But as that becomes more apparent, I think people start to realize how foundational this is to being the most obvious and frictionless approach to on-the-go communication. It would be funny if whispering would become the thing in public. oh, you're whispering again, so you are in air chat. It doesn't have to be air chat, but I definitely think the sort of medium can normalize and overcome the sort of privacy limiting factors. Yes, that is funny.

[10:01:30] I accidentally replied in the wrong thread. And yeah, everyone makes fun of me right now. But yes, governments of cats means cat owners. Beware, watch out. You're giving ideas to some people. They're going to get engagement followers and some laughs. I feel like I admire Elon as a builder, as somebody who does hard things, as somebody who has the vision to go get it done. But some of his political takes, man, I don't know. They really come across as really dog whistle and old South African appetite behavior. And there's just no other way to really look at it. But I'm able to complementize that and just still respect the fact that he does do hard things. And just because he's a genius in one industry or one arena does not mean it cuts across all the other arenas. And it reminds me of a quote that says, sometimes we admire the genius so much, but that we wonder if God could have given them less talent and much more humanity.

[10:02:21] But yeah, that's my take on Elon. There's surprisingly many tech builders, entrepreneurs, VCs, luminaries in the field, but not just on tech, but also in other fields like physics. And you're completely surprised by the takes on certain things happening at the moment. And it defines common knowledge, common logic. If you have some sense of decency, ethics, you would just come up with from the first principles what would be the way. But it's sometimes better just to appreciate people, what they're doing, and just understand that we all have our limitations. And it's a limited time to go into something. and that's probably the best for everyone. And if you don't know too much about something, maybe think twice as well.

[10:03:10] It's always good to comment, but you're telling quite a lot about yourself in the process. Also, Jess, for heaters, I'll have a recommendation based on your size. I've liked the Harvia and the Hume. The Hume is beautiful. It's open with the rocks, but it's not UL certified, which means your insurance company might have a hard time with it. Maybe. Even so, it's still safe, but it's exposed. So since it's you, probably okay if the sauna is a bigger sauna. But otherwise, the Harvia is enclosed, so you're not going to accidentally just brush against it and have a fifth-degree burn, right, eviscerate your leg or something. So I think they're both fine, but the Harvia is a little on the safer side and has an automatic shutoff. So if you do the Wi-Fi, it'll shut off safely after an hour. So you have to pay attention to it. But it is also a nice safety feature if you're somebody like me who will occasionally forget an iron, curling iron coffee pot or something. you can get them as a woodburner if that's easier but i guess in california that's not the case my optimistic reputation precedes me i guess um but yeah absolutely i mean you say people forget after a period of time i actually think that period of time is quite low six months to a year for the average person and so it allows for legislation or regulation to narrow further and further taking away more and more rights um over time which trust me i'm a huge proponent of all things, self-sovereign and autonomy and creating more of that for more people. And, um, yeah, so I suppose, uh, we will see what will happen. I think a question I ask myself often, because I think the reason, one of the reasons at least people forget quickly is because it almost feels like, what can we even do in this situation? You know, I mean, I used to be a lobbyist, uh, I don't know, gosh, over like 10 years ago now at this point. And even in that position, I didn't feel like I didn't feel like there was much I could even do. And so, yeah, it's about how do we get more people to be concerned about these things to sort of bring that more bottom-up approach.

[10:05:08] I will link here at the previous conversation already what's been happening here. So there are similar points. So this feels more like an ad hoc thing, which will be the slippery slope. And also Preston Burns has been asking the questions, what are the laws they've been breaking and also there's some other points but check the link if you're just dead off having the previous comments already and there are some links to twitter and other places dude it is utterly nonsensical to me i if you were going to say to china look there's got to be reciprocity between you know how we treat each other's companies i would say yeah that makes sense treat them like they treat us fine ban tiktok for that reason because they don't let us disseminate our tech companies there great this idea that it has undue influence over kids i mean that's smartphones and social media so ban and restrict social media and even the most insulting thing to me is that we can't compete facebook uh twitter google apple all these companies that were out there in the social uh media communication the uh space and they couldn't figure out an algorithm that got people as hooked and was as fun and entertaining as what tiktok did what that to me is the biggest indictment and is like you know boeing airplanes falling apart but the social media tech version of that utter incompetence same thing with the vision pro stuff just incompetent bad product bad and excuse making it's just terrible and what are they gonna do roll it up it's gonna be another like uh mechanism for the deep state to uh sanction and censor people man i agree forebodes badly and so does that samurai wallet thing might also explain why they don't want to open the source code to anyone i wonder why people keep using the work-life balance term as if work is not part of Life. Work should be part of life. It is life.

[10:06:47] It can be work-leisure balance, but not work-life balance. If you need a scale. Hey, founders. I've got a quick question. How do you understand that you are choosing the right co-founder? For example, I've told so many people that I have spoken to for the idea that I have been working with or the different project that I want to start with. They are very enthusiastic. They say they want to work on that problem. They even sometimes give time for that. But again, they have their responsibilities and liabilities. right which i understand that they have their certain financial responsibility towards their family which is great but then you don't really build a company like that right you need 100% commitment towards like what's the idea that you're building and if i'm giving 100% i would believe that the co-founder should also go so do you think that i am being selfish thinking like this i i wish the best for the other co-founder or all the aspiring co-founders but as a founder i would believe that if we are spending time it should be sitting there solve the problem get to the next board. It's not like the entire day I'm waiting because we have not started anything yet. We are still in the design or thought process, the brainstorming phase. We are just spending time.

[10:07:52] We are just wasting time and waiting for each other that when do I get a feedback, right? So what is the best thing to do? Like if you come across very intelligent people or a very intelligent profile who is equally enthusiastic about the idea, but they have their own responsibilities and you need to wait to really have a chat with that person and then take it forward. So what do you do in these kind of situations? If the person has already had a startup or two, so they have shown that they are a true entrepreneur, that's a good sign. So I would be looking for these type of signals. And if there are none, then you will be taking quite a big risk. But the agency is the biggest thing. So are they thinking like a founder, taking the responsibility and acting like that? And It's really hard to test that if the person has been in a corporate life or hasn't been a founder before. So you're actually just rolling the dice.

[10:08:45] Hey folks, who's been around Twitter for a long time. Do you know any clients probably for Twitter? Because I love how XCOM app organized. I know there is an app called E-Up, which is a decentralized cross-posting app. It basically connects your Blazky, Mastodont, Fatprint, I guess, threads from Meta, and Twitter. But the problem with the app, I got the invitation. I connect my accounts, but there is no option to see only Twitter feed. I basically see random folks from any social media, which I even didn't connect. Like, I don't have an account on Blue Sky, but I see folks posting on Blue Sky and I don't see Paul Graham in my feed or Gary Tan or, you know, whoever I follow on Twitter.

[10:09:42] It doesn't make any sense. Why would I connect Twitter to another app and there is a feed? Basically, it's for my followings, right? But I can access them. It's just random crypto folks. I don't know. Do you know any clients which still operate even under prohibited access to API? I don't know. Twitter used to have third-party clients, but because of the API, it became prohibitively expensive for third parties. So they have been now closed down, more or less. You may find something if somebody is willing to pay for the bills for the users, but most likely you will not find anything. E-App, which is the cross-posting app. I don't know, maybe it's not paying for the API access for the feed. What comes to Blue Sky, for example, there are many clients for that one.

[10:10:31] Skeet is one of them, Greyskay used to be one of them, and a few other ones. But because the API for Blue Sky is, well, it's free, that's why you probably see the things from Blue Sky. And the same for Mastodon instances, you can get the feed. So that way, even though you don't have an account, it's still possible to see the feed. If you are not having a new conversation with a new person every day, are you really answering? I just had a really interesting experience. It might not sound like a really interesting experience to others, but to me it was a really interesting experience. I was on X and I was looking through people's feeds and looking at posts. And I saw a post by somebody who I follow and I went for the microphone to respond. How about that? It's getting serious.

[10:11:20] Good morning. everyone included i'm waiting for your update do you have a smile on your face this morning hey tom yeah not bad already afternoon having lunch here hey brett is the link working for you or working for anyone else it is not working for me i was not in the older version or maybe i was but with a different account i forgot but yeah i can't click on the link okay here is the Brett's last year's link in case it for some particular reasons will start to work for you. Wow, I somehow forgot to say hello. Hello everyone. Hello, everyone included. Try them all and then report back. And the fitness channel is waiting after that one. TV dinner. Drop the TV, just the dinner. it's cleaner. EZ has introduced the latest stealth technology. They are gradually taking out the text reading component and you just have to listen. That's the hands-free mode. Oh there's a slight chance it's just a bug. That's a normal behavior while you're recording but it should clear and so the text when it's a regular chit. Clarity of thought will then be expressed in tweets and chits and any other forms. It sounds easy, but first you have to get that, and that's the hardest part.

[10:12:45] Then the rest is just putting it out there in some medium. Sometimes the clarity of thought takes away from the power of emotion, and you can kind of see this with the difference between a YouTube apology and a real apology. The YouTube apology being a meme reflecting the idea of a pr constructed clear concise message right that conflicts with our expectation of an emotional response that would be indicative of a real apology and so sometimes clarity serves to actually remove especially if it's an it's a if it's a post if it's a kind of like a consistent the message trying to be expressed.

[10:13:37] For some reason my links are not working this morning, Jess. Let me see if I try again at a different time. Air chat broke the rest of the social media feeds. They don't feel the same without the haptic. Ooh, such a great point. I love the little subtle bumps when you scroll through. It feels so weird. The feed is just scrolling through and it doesn't have any friction in there. It's like totally out of control. It's like, yeah. EZ has introduced the latest stealth technology. They are gradually taking out the text reading component and you just have to listen. That's the hands-free mode. Oh, there's a slight chance. It's just a buck. Just a public service announcement, there's a new build of the app in the App Store with a lot of bug fixes and some more options to see who may have replied to a message.

[10:14:35] So go ahead and download it and enjoy. Alright, I'm checking in. I'm saying happy Thursday. I'm actually feeling metaphorically better. I don't know what that means, but I just wanted to say it. Sometimes you just need to say what needs to be said just to hear yourself out. And I will enjoy this app for that always. Good morning. Everyone included, I'm waiting for your update. Do you have a smile on your face this morning? Why do you continue to log on to AirChat? Is there like a driving purpose to the reason you decide to log on? When you encounter a new message, you can just reply to it. You can listen to the voice of the person, but you don't necessarily see who the person is or check the profile or do the background check like you tend to do with Twitter and other places. And that's also refreshing. and it's also like and this for me is the nice part i i won't log in all the time and i can't be as active necessarily but when i do i can return back to my conversations that i had left previously like asynchronously i can hop into channels that i'm interested in and just add to some conversations and then leave and come back tomorrow and do the same thing and that's the thing i very much enjoyed uh is just the asynchronous nature on top of being able to hear you and also read like your words too when you also add the cold winters and if you happen to by the lake or by the sea you can also dip into the cold water so you will get the cold treatment as well and then you can go to sauna so these are the things and naturally children are going there as well so there are no issues with that and obviously have to take care of the safety things but they can be in the lower levels and yeah everybody does what feels good for them but yeah that's just a normal way in Finland and into Nordics you know that's been one of the coolest thing about all this AI stuff and audio interfaces um I have chat GPT premium and I get to speak finished with it and it speaks finished back to me and I can have conversations with a computer but it's been a cool way to practice but yeah we'd love to speak with you sometimes too.

[10:16:32] Yeah it's absolutely mind-blowing how you can learn a new language and you don't have to be embarrassed to speak somebody slow or do the mistakes and you can do that casually or even while you're working and do the practice at the same time. This was a high praise for AirChat. Noticed another cool thing about Japan because everything works you can rely on things working and not having to think through four contingency plans and backup options when you just want to take a bus to the next town. You just assume the bus will be on time. If there is any confusion, there will be a helpful attendant. The tickets will be easily purchased on the spot, etc., etc. Whereas in Europe, at least in my part of Europe, the same trip would entail, what if it's late? What if the ticket machine is broken? What if the attendants resent me for wanting them to do their job and are essentially hostile and unhelpful, etc., etc. So that takes a great emotional and cognitive load of your shoulders because you can just rely on things working properly.

[10:17:24] Japan is actually making me feel pretty neurotic because I approach every situation with three or four potential problems in mind. And I'm fairly sure that at least one of them will materialize because that's my experience from back home. And nothing ever happens. Everything goes smoothly. Everybody is helpful. Everything works. It's a disorienting experience. This was interesting to see. It just bumped to my feed about how TikTok is serving content and what type of content it's choosing. So based on that experiment, it looks not genuine, but a little bit manipulative, to say the least. It's unsurprising to me that TikTok was skewing their algorithm to foment whatever outcome from its audience was perceived to be by the corporate owners and the government control over those corporate owners in the best interest of China. whether that's destabilizing a perceived arrival or occurring favor with the population for ideals or ideas or allegiances, other than they might naturally default to.

[10:18:37] But surely you understand that every social media platform, except X perhaps now, does the exact same thing at the behest of people that might not have any greater interest in the well-being of the people who they are influencing. via the social media platforms than China does. And so ban TikTok because of reciprocity, sure. Ban it because you feel like the algorithm is harming the United States and the citizens. You might think about banning influence by government in many other social media companies and networks. Ban it because it's too addictive. I think parents need to figure out how to say no to their kids. So I will not let my kids have phones like the one I'm talking into for a very long time. Now, you might say that's restrictive, not taking children seriously.

[10:19:25] I just think there's powerful addictive forces out there that I don't feel capable of countering at this point. Maybe when I figure out how to restrict the technology better and eliminate those or block them, they can have these kind of devices. In fact, that's probably what I should do, since there's a lot of good stuff on here as well. Like AirChat! Anyway, thanks for your comment. The universe created itself for itself to connect with itself. You are the universe. And you're connecting with other people all the time. Underneath it all, they're you. You're connecting with yourself in new and surprising ways that you can never predict. The rollercoaster of serendipity orchestrated behind the scenes. We're all just here living the script. In a good way, though, we chose to. We wrote it. Now we're living it blind.

[10:20:14] The fallout is near when it runs out of coffee. Eugene, since I'm already talking, this is the petrol I was referring to. Sounds good. What should be the topic? What should be the thing I should write about? Well, I don't know the title, but I would like to make one suggestion if it is appropriate. I think you can write something about how empathy and kindness can be really rewarding in this age. Because rest, everything is taken care of by the AI. So these two things are something which we can think about to build connections and create everlasting impact on the people. Thank you, Mahi. Those are really important qualities with humbleness.

[10:21:10] I don't know the title either. I don't know even... Am I writing a book now? Or what's happening? Well, let's see. I think it's just fun to talk about things. And like Naval has been doing, he's just talking and some players writes the book. I kind of like that approach. But let's see what comes out. If there's an impeccable title, maybe the book will come out. Yeah, it's called Fragments of Reality. I put it on the previous chit. I can also put the airchart room here. And it's also actually in the same link in my website. You can get the book from Amazon and it's also free of charge available as a digital download on archive.org and probably some other place as well. Yeah, you don't really need a channel. You can just start a new fresh chit and don't reply to anybody. Just put it in your channel. And that's the beginning of a conversation and you can go as many chits and as deep as you like. So that's basically how it was done previously and can be done now. And it's not limited to any topic or any channel. But yeah, they were called rooms before and that's the previous chat and the link I gave is an example of a room. So you needed to pick a topic and it worked a little bit different. But yeah. Thanks, Kamala and Eugene. I did write one many years ago, and now it seems to be that I'm just writing them as we speak, but just on AirChat and digital social media.

[10:22:29] Petri, I remember you talking about the book in the older version of AirChat. And I think I remember what it was about. Basically, your theory of life, the universe and everything, enlightenment. I'm not sure. It was something deep. Apparently, I wasn't being present when I listened to your describing it. Would you mind sharing again about your book? The book is just an example if you're practicing meditation. Those are the things you should be able to do yourself. It's not a one-on-one introductory book. I never did that, but fortunately they are Ekva Tolle, they are Krishnamurti. There are a lot of these good books which give you ideas. I think Awakening is one of them, and I probably list some of them in the previous version's Ejit Room. So those are good intros for the thing, but you can just read it as blog posts and nothing more.

[10:23:22] So I wrote it in a way that it sort of stripped away all the, well, it's just a common language on purpose, but it should speak to you differently every time you read it. And there's been some readers who've been saying that it's an irritating book. It changes your thinking and probably a little bit of your life as well. And let's be kind to each other and give people the benefit of the doubt. I think Brian may have been more reflecting on how the nature of usage changes as people become more familiar with things. For example, if you walk into a party and you're horsing around with your friends, that's great. It's really fun. Are you going to spend the entire week 24-7 horsing around? Probably not. There was an app called Poster, P-O-A-S-T-E-R, and it was designed for shitposters. And it had quite the shitposter community from Twitter. They all went on there. And I got the feeling it didn't work. And I think the reason it didn't work, or one of the reasons it didn't work, was because shitposting is fun when there are serious people around, right? Because you kind of shitpost around them.

[10:24:10] In a way, you're making fun of them without directly making fun of them. Or you're making light of a serious atmosphere. If the whole atmosphere was jokey, it wouldn't work. So at some level, you need the serious people around to have fun. And the people who are serious, they need people who are having fun around them so that they can be serious. If you get all serious people, it's boring. It's LinkedIn. If you get all people just having fun, then it wears itself out. It's like that poster app. And I'm not critiquing the poster app. I always give people full credit for making an effort and building something. But it just shows you that you need the opposite. The figure needs the ground. The front needs the background. The black needs the white to survive and to stand out. That's exactly right. I don't know. The other thing is that shitposting, kind of like sarcasm, gives you a poetic license to say things that can't be said too seriously or can't be said with this assumed air of gravitas because it's too much for someone to take in.

[10:25:00] But if you do a shitpost, if you're just trolling or whatever, you create this kind of funny space where people are much more open to suggestion. And that's where a lot of great ideas come out of that. You can't only have it because you need the background of seriousness, as you said. And I, the stuff that I'm really enjoying consuming the most of on air chat is stuff that isn't shit posts. Um, but particularly, you know, you know, serious posts from people that I know to otherwise be shit posters. Um, so like, you know, if on Twitter, this person was a huge shit poster and all they were doing was shit posting here, for whatever reason, there seems to be a little bit more freedom to do the opposite and to post a little bit more seriously and be more curious and that's what I really like about posts on air chat so I'm gonna log out of air chat for today it's been such an awesome day and I want to thank the air chat guys I mean I hope that you guys get to make this the app that actually connects people in the world in this disconnected world because that's what it has done for me and i've been so emotional today i've experienced so much joy i've laughed so much i've been so hard i've even cried a little bit and it's because of the work that you guys are doing i really pray that you succeed in making this world more connected making people connect at a heart level also at an intellectual level because that's what i've experienced here but i feel like if i stay on for today i'm gonna be too emotional so i'm gonna log off for the day. But thank you, thank you guys, to all the beautiful people here. It's not remembering, but finding the keywords to actually get them from here. But I'm actually surprised that original JIT has been disappeared. I wonder was it Keats? Because I noticed there was quite many deleted messages, so it seems to be somebody you were talking with. Just curious. You don't need to answer if you don't like.

[10:27:03] Yes, I think this was Keith's older account that he deleted accidentally. Accidental cancellations. Sounds like album name. I'm sorry we're going to take it easy with her. Wow, I'm so impressed. How do you remember this chant? I mean, I'm literally amazed. I've forgotten that I ever posted that, you know? There's no really secret. When you're paying fully and undivided attention to things, what do you do? You remember most of things, if not all. The fallout is near when Ehrtseid runs out of coffee. How do you work on expressing thoughts clear and concisely? Clarity of thought will then be expressed in tweets and chits and any other forms. It sounds easy, but first you have to get that, and that's the hardest part. Then the rest is just putting it out there in some medium.

[10:27:56] Maybe this is the secret weapon of fitness people. No, no, NDI, I'm not that sophisticated yet. But even without the amp, because I think the amp would be able to hype it up and give me the full blast. But even without the amp, just the quality of the music is just next level. So now that you've mentioned that, I have to actually go look at it and see what I can add to it to enhance it. Wow. I haven't tasted a more tasteless fruit than dragon fruit. Oh, it's on full blast. full blast i'm enjoying the music like music has come alive it's a beautiful thing it's a beautiful thing i wish i could give other people the feeling i'm having right now because it is the most beautiful feeling Just...

[10:29:14] I'm missing Japan so much right now. If anyone has pictures of Sakura, would love to see it in this thread. Please do post. Hi, here's a photo. It's of my friend, Harry Lee, and it's an immersive tea and a moonlit walk by the Philosophers Path. Hope you like it. There's interestingly a spike in Nostra users for the first time in a long time. Looks like it's right before 420, maybe the Havani. Interesting. BlueSky was referring to these things when they have a spike. I don't recall the name, some kind of an Elon effect. So I wonder whether there's some other explanations for this, because that would just explain the people who are Bitcoin maxis. But maybe a lot of them have also left for a while and then they come back for the celebration. Maybe a dumb question, but I only joined yesterday. But is the main feed posting to your own followers or is it something else?

[10:30:10] Yeah, the people who follow you will see you if you're posting to the main feed. If you're going to the topics, those who are following the topics can see them. And you will see in your main feed the people you follow, but also if they reply to some people, you will see them as well. Main feed threading. The effect of Naval's fast replies and new content dropping on your feed so fast that you just see the new posts and you cannot move on in the feed. The struggle is real. You can always mute if it becomes too much. But it's the creation which makes this app so great. You will discover new people. It's not about the structure. It's not about the tools. At the end of the day, it's about the people. If you find the right people who are clicking with you, you're going to have fun no matter what's the medium. You can have fun with the voice. You can have fun with your Twitter. It's all about people. It's about connection and discovering and having fun.

[10:31:05] having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match. much more personal and all their recommendations been so worth it so good um so yeah i love this app wow sips congrats amazing now you're gonna have a brilliant voice in your head you just need to dig out the old 90s cds which have the best production value and sound cds petri i have so many photo albums full of CDs and no great player. I do have an emergency tape deck and CD player for the old stuff, but it doesn't sound good. It's not like the old stereo sound.

[10:32:13] Well, you can do what Sips does. Just plug in an amazing headset and ADs and amp for the headset and you're good to go, so you don't have to invest on loudspeakers. I digitized my CDs, well, copied them many years back, so I don't need to find them from my archives anymore, but the sound is amazing, but it really depends on the CD. But yeah, they certainly had a completely different level of production today. I got cut off there. Maybe it's a sign that I went on too long, so I'll save the rest for any further conversation if there is any. But very interesting about Hypatia, and I will start to research her more, and if there's any other esoteric or obscure figures in history please send it my way maybe we should start a channel of that that's a good idea we should start a channel of interesting historical figures that aren't that well known there's another one it's Hildegard of Bingen I'm not sure if I pronounced her name right I'll link it but she was like a mystic polymath in the middle ages and I discovered her through this book that I read called the rabbit hutch which is an interesting book um the author Tess Gunty she won a big prize for it um and that author in herself is really interesting because I think she's the one who got me down this like many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics rabbit hole because she was interviewed about what she was interested in and she spoke about that being something that really fascinated her and that's how I got into it but yeah I'll link I'll link it to Hildegard.

[10:33:35] Wow Sips congrats amazing now you're gonna have a brilliant voice in your head you just need to dig out the old 90s CDs which have the best production value and sound. brother petri let me tell you man this stuff is super amazing like i'm digging out all the old songs that i've listened to before i'm like this is how natural mystic is supposed to sound it's like no man i am never ever ever in my life compromising on music quality forget about it this stuff is legit the bass the guitar the drums everything is coming through perfectly clear it's It's like when you were blind and suddenly you can see, when you were deaf and suddenly you can hear. This is what this feels like. It's insane. Does anyone else have issues with their AirPods? I've got the new AirPods Pro 2 series and the voice quality is just terrible whenever there's any background points. I've tried everything, like resetting the firmware, reconnecting and whatnot, you know, all the AirPods settings and configuration parameters, nothing helps. Yes.

[10:34:41] Yeah, I don't think iOS allows you to split audio devices. You need an app to do that, or it needs to be in a single thing, or you have to manually with the hardware, like the plug and then the adapter to split the audio, but certainly. But I think there are also other options than if you want to do just in a regular office settings, but certainly, yeah. Usually what the Lavalier mics might have still is if you have a place which has a lot of background noise or they have echoes, reverbs, they might also pick some of those. You have to get the lavalier pretty close to your audio source, so to speak, for them to sound good. Man, I'm so happy. I'm so excited. And I'm so grateful. Look what showed up today. Beautiful.

[10:35:28] Wow. Sips. Congrats. Amazing. Now you're going to have a brilliant voice in your head. You just need to dig out the old 90 CDs, which have the best production value and sound. Man, I'm so happy. I'm so excited. And I'm so grateful. Look what showed up today. Beautiful. Voice bots, they are here. That's how the stars are made in TikTok and any other new social media. It's the people who are discovering, the people who are doing the craziest thing, unimaginable thing which becomes the thing and that's still out there and we have a tradition of doing stuff on voice probably have to go a little bit deeper and think what actually the people who discovered radio were doing they were doing crazy amazing things with radio with the voice and sound effects and whatnot so there's all that stuff which is just waiting for you to be discovering it and maybe being a little bit bored and out of your mind and just going for it without thinking too much of the results or whether this sounds silly or whether somebody is listening to it or there's any purpose of it. Just do it. Have fun. Explore. Go crazy. Well if you watched the clip I put about the UK guy who was doing the voices, he was driving the metro and then the TV executive picked him up and that's how he got his voice. So he was actually doing those announcements.

[10:36:48] Explain paradox in a picture. Did I do the yapping properly? We were talking about the trippy movies with Unity and David Lins came up. Would be so cool to have him here. Does anybody know him? So we could pull him here and let him do his Friday things and obviously all the other interesting things he's doing. Try to explain your parents what you're doing. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who is listening to my things. If I have something to say, I say it and that's the thing. And if it will resonate with some people, they will reply and that's the conversation and it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline i mean the time zone because then you will have new stuff on your feed no dm if you want to know otherwise let's keep it here it it is also related to the context who wants to be part of an early alpha for for you feed reply to this if you're interested and i'll dm you hey come on just bumping this up if it's still available i would like to test i need some variety of new stuff on my feed. But isn't this LinkedIn? The true talents are not looking for new jobs. You have to hunt them. And isn't this the best way to find them, given that they are outspoken? Well, I am also looking for wonderful conversations on air chat. But here's the thought. Even if somebody offers you a job on air chat, that means he has seen the emotional aspect of you. That means, you know, we always talk about emotional intelligence. So I think this is a good way to measure that because on LinkedIn you can definitely see the skill sets, you can see the certifications, you can see the experience, but the emotional sense can only be seen through a chat, I guess. So that would be a wonderful thing and then there is no harm. I mean, it's just a random thought. I'm not promoting it or something.

[10:38:33] Yeah, observe, see people long enough and they will reveal themselves. Your chat's gotten quiet, hasn't it? I hear voices. It's not about the structure, it's not about the tools, at the end of the day it's about the people if you find the right people who are clicking with you you're gonna have fun no matter what's the medium you can have fun with the voice you can have fun with your tweeter it's all about people it's about connection and discovering and having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound mats. Wow that's a beautiful picture. Well, 93 when I went there, I was obviously young then. There wasn't too many tourists yet but it was so highly advanced with bullet trains and also with the fast cars and all these fancy things which were still not so common in the West at the time. But I think the biggest thing was that I'm quite tall so I was just sticking out. It was probably not a thing while you were in Tokyo but I was not in Tokyo. I was in elsewhere in Japan and there were not too many foreigns in there and I was actually living in a few families at the time and I was experiencing the life as a part of a Japanese families and that gave me a perspective on things and how they live and it also formed lifelong relationships and that was really fascinating. But I think somebody already mentioned here, these suicide attacks and things that happened afterwards have changed Japan. The security, the feeling of everything is clean and so polite and all those things, they probably are still there. But I think it has an extra magic in the 90s, which probably is not exactly there anymore. So there's more foreign, the more the Western culture has penetrated the more the society and it changes it and it shows. It's not about the structure, it's not about the tools. At the end of the day it's about the people. If you find the right people who are clicking with you, you're

[10:40:37] going to have fun no matter what's the medium. You can have fun with the voice, you can have fun with your tweeter. It's all about people, it's about connection and discovering and having fun. And part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff, you can do the funny silly stuff, and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them. But the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match. What's the thing? Yeah, that's good feedback. It's why when people talk about the Twitter community, they're really confusing two things. They're confusing the platform and their community on Twitter. And I think the same thing will apply here. People will have their own community, whether it's in topics or a set of people that they're friends with and they follow. But eventually, they'll wander out into other communities and other feeds whenever they feel like it. What creates more friction for migration to here is that the medium is different.

[10:41:28] Not everybody is family and ready to speak. So the voice interface may also introduce the level of change where you have to find the community who is comfortable or find your new friends. So not everybody is coming over. And let's be kind to each other and give people the benefit of the doubt. I think Brian may have been more reflecting on how the nature of usage changes as people become more familiar with things. For example, if you walk into a party and you're horsing around with your friends, that's great, it's really fun. Are you going to spend the entire week 24-7 horsing around? probably not. There was an app called Poster, P-O-A-S-T-E-R, and it was designed for shitposters. And it had quite the shitposter community from Twitter. They all went on there. And I got the feeling it didn't work. And I think the reason it didn't work, or one of the reasons it didn't work, was because shitposting is fun when there are serious people around, right? Because you kind of shitpost around them. In a way, you're making fun of them without directly making fun of them, or you're making light of a serious atmosphere. If the whole atmosphere was jokey, it wouldn't work.

[10:42:21] So at some level, you need the serious people around to have fun. And the people who are serious, they need people who are having fun around them so that they can be serious. If you get all serious people, it's boring. It's LinkedIn. If you get all people just having fun, then it wears itself out. It's like that poster app. And I'm not critiquing the poster app. I always give people full credit for making an effort and building something. But it just shows you that you need the opposite. You need the figure needs the ground, the front needs the background, the black needs the white to survive and to stand out. Most of us fun while it lasts. You already started to see the same behavior that's happening here, which was that people started to dox themselves or they wanted They wanted to dox themselves. They wanted to meet in real life because they were having a good time. They were enjoying the humor and the panther with the people. But they wanted to have more. But because the anonymous nature of the app, it didn't really allow it. And it became like a cult in a way that people started to signal that, hey, I was on this app. But it's probably not the best way to monetize and have a big following. So it was more like a community than a real social media app. Yeah, and I guess a bit in the words of Pietri, sorry if I butchered that name at first, or if I still am, I think we just have to commit to making it happen, and hopefully if we do just keep being silly or whatever, or have dumb stuff to talk about, we'll find the other ones.

[10:43:34] I think it's just that the tech nerds are currently leading the war and we need to retaliate. We need to stock up on memes and silly stuff and maybe silly strength. And hopefully we'll find our fellow soldiers. That's how the stars are made in TikTok and any other new social media. It's the people who are discovering, the people who are doing the craziest thing, the unimaginable thing which becomes the thing. And that's still out there. And we have a tradition of doing stuff on voice. Probably have to go a little bit deeper and think what actually the people who discovered radio were doing. They were doing crazy amazing things with radio, with the voice and sound effects and whatnot. So there's all that stuff which is just waiting for you to be discovering it. And maybe being a little bit bored and out of your mind and just going for it without thinking too much of the results. Or whether this sounds silly or whether somebody is listening to it or there's any purpose of it.

[10:44:22] Just do it. Have fun. Explore. Go crazy. I don't know. Whenever I see the tech bros interacting with each other, I'm like, I'm literally watching a circle jerk happening right now. That's what I'm watching. Like, it's just so not my vibe, which is fine. Like, they can have their space. Like, I won't interrupt them. I won't be butting in there. Like, trust. They can lock the door. I'm not coming near. Like, it's just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll see what happens. Yeah. And I guess a bit in the words of Pietri, I'm sorry if I butchered that name at first, or if I still am. I think we just have to commit to, like, making it happen. hopefully if we two just keep like being silly or whatever or like have dumb stuff to talk about we'll find the other ones i think it's just that that the tech nerds are currently leading the war and we need to retaliate we need to stock up on memes and silly stuff and maybe silly strength and hopefully we'll find our fellow soldiers i often find that the reason i'm deleting a post and then re-recording it is because I am adding too many filler words and pauses. And it would be nice.

[10:45:28] I think you're totally right that editing audio, even if there was some UI for clicking words to delete them, it would lead to a perfectionism. But it would be nice to have just an option to quickly remove all the long pauses and the ums and errs from the audio. There's a lot of these audio editing apps like Descripts allow this kind of functionality. I use it all the time when I'm editing video content for YouTube or wherever I'm posting. The easiest thing is that you upgrade your own software. So you start to use less of those words and the benefits are carrying over to your regular life as well. They are software like Descript, I think.com, which does that if you're doing podcasts or any kind of recording. it will take them out but surprisingly it's quite difficult to do it properly because your intonation a lot of things may change and if you just snip cut out stuff it may doesn't it may change the tone or something in the message or in the overall quality of the recording so my recommendation is just become a better speaker and because you consciously now thinking of all those words you can just start to delete them before they come out of your mouth yeah i guess that's very succinctly put um and you do have a fair point that that kind of silly stuff is probably definitely very much for group chats or like best suited for group chats but i guess that makes it a little sad for me or like i wish there was a better answer i don't know i think like I'm sure you felt you all felt this too where like the initial days was definitely something very special and like I guess as someone who's not really been there for the birth of like a like at such like a crew like early stage of uh social media previously it was new and like now I'm already kind of missing it and like I'm sure people have had that with like Vine or like other things so i definitely get it um and i wonder if there's like ever going to be like a true like

[10:47:38] ideal solution that's better than a group chat but it's still a group chat and i think it might not be but um yeah i don't know definitely very like hopeful for this app and yeah of course love to share it and yeah let us know if you have any other questions or feedback or like questions or like feedback in the sense of like the direction that you notice or are working towards currently or like questions about what we think or like what we said specifically it's not about the structure it's not about the tools at the end of the day it's about the people if you find the right people who are clicking with you you're gonna have fun no matter what's the medium you can have fun with the voice you can have fun with your tweeter it's all about people it's about connection and discovering and having fun and part of the fun here is that you can have different people doing different things and you can even combine some of the people so you can do the serious stuff you can do the funny silly stuff and you can mix them and match them and you can interlink them but the pain probably is to just find and discover these people to find your sound match yeah i totally get that but also i sometimes struggle like if i see two people having a great conversation like i rarely I don't want to like join the conversation because it feels weird like um I forgot but like that one day when you and Jason were having that one conversation about buying shit or whatever like it was so funny like props to YouTube because that was holy shit like I was waiting every second like just trying to refresh it like follow it and like look at it but it also felt like because of like how it's structured and like how it's threaded it felt weird for me to come in and like talk or join it so that feels weird to me and like why i sometimes struggle to like talk because i guess i'm also a little shy or like more nervous about that stuff and yeah no i definitely second the stalking part like it's hard or weird like especially because like they're just at times so many threads or like viewing a single conversation is so hard like because the following tab shows you their most recent replies at times and not like the root

[10:49:47] thing like i wish it was more like twitter where like you saw the like main conversations they started or like the first response to a new conversation they joined and then once you clicked on it you could like see the different responses or replies so like it's easier to get like their main hits i guess if that makes sense but then with like it being like a worse experience because people are leaving it might also be that maybe they're just not responding because they haven't found people like any interesting conversations but even if that's the case it kind of feels like i guess in naval's analogy like it kind of feels like the party is dying because people are leaving so like then you also get assigned to leave and yeah right thing about this version of the app because there's been previous ones is that you can reply to any cheat and it doesn't interrupt the flow if there are two people talking they keep on talking and they probably will not reply to and respond to your cheat at the time or maybe they do when you can and join the conversation, but there's no awkward moment. You should not feel that you have to wait for anything. You can jump in at any time because it's the beginning of a new conversation. It probably just takes a little bit of getting used to, but that's certainly, I think, one of the great things.

[10:50:56] So any reply into any conversation is a fork and a beginning of a new one. And the original context may already be lost and it goes to a completely different direction. I think that's one of the strengths here. So it can be starting with something really superficial and then we are in a philosophical question. So it goes completely other direction. And that's like any other regular conversation in real life. You just keep on doing different things and even having multiple conversations within the same discussion. The best people to follow on AirChat for a sentiment check are definitely Kenzie, Anderson, Dar, Deepak, me, and a few other people that I follow that I think are really great. Lily, definitely Lily. I think we're all very interested in genuinely using AirChat to connect with people, and especially Kenzie. Kenzie has been thoroughly testing AirChat and its transcription capabilities. And Lily has been providing a lot of great content because I see on my timeline that she is constantly connecting with people and really loves what she does. And so those are the top accounts that I recommend following for a sentiment check on AirChat.

[10:52:04] Probably the OG tester and hacker on this platform outside of the core team is Tom. The lengths he has gone to do unimaginary things, well, in a good way, and trolling and all those possible things and surprising things over the months and probably already years. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who is listening to my things. If I have something to say, I say it, and that's the thing. If it will resonate with some people, they will reply and that's the conversation. And it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline, I mean the time zone, because then you will have new stuff on your feed. Yeah, that's fine. I'm cool with talking without any sort of engagement metric on it or traditional engagement metric on it. But I do think there needs to be some work done around discoverability just because I would like to, if I'm starting a conversation, I would like people to be able to easily join in that conversation regardless of whether or not they follow me or not.

[10:53:01] and same goes, I would like to be seeing more on my feet that I could jump into that isn't necessarily just the small group of people that I follow. It comes to the choice and rights of you as a content creator versus the people who are consuming. If you want to get more exposure, which is the traditional legacy view of social media, Then you post into topics and reply to those, probably to those most followed persons, and hope that they will like or reply to get it pumped up. That's the way to get engagement in this platform. But for you to discover new stuff, you have to do a little bit of legwork. Nevertheless, the ALCOs are getting better here, and hopefully you can choose whether you want to use them. So for you, suggesting things and recommendations, these are coming. Partly yes, and that's typically when you're talking with somebody, but somebody needs to start it. Social media has made it easier. You create content. If you're creating YouTube videos, you're talking to yourself and putting it out there. People are calling other people and suggesting and initiating things. There's that as well.

[10:54:11] But I certainly hear what you're saying. But in that particular case, then you can reply to conversations which are already existing. So you can even search and find all the ones. There are records going back months of good stuff, which is just buried there. They're really deep conversations. But because you just have to go a little bit deeper to find them, a lot of people are not finding them. I think the problem with creating content, so to speak, on this platform is that if it's meant for conversations back and forth, and it's not just a platform for influencers or people to, you know, make content and kind of draw engagement from it, then it doesn't really, you're not really going to have a content creator stay here, right? This escalates quickly to existential questions and your inner motivations and drivers, doesn't it? Sometimes you win, sometimes the AI wins.

[10:55:04] The latest episode is dropping on Friday with Steema Wolfram. It's very fascinating because he talks about how the nature of our reality will change. Well, it's already changing. It's always been like that. But we think that when we're building machines, we know how they work, how they operate and what to expect out of them. But then he pulls out the example of a donkey. Well, we don't know how a donkey operates. We don't know how to build donkeys. And yet we are working with them. And most of the time they do what we like them to do. In a similar way, do we really need to understand how the AI LLMs are working or can we just use them? And when they become more sophisticated, it becomes like a donkey. It may kick you in the head. In a similar way, we have to start to communicate our intentions. And yeah, it's a really fascinating talk. I can link it here. Well, this backfired. Sometimes you win, sometimes the AI wins.

[10:55:53] One thing I've learned building this app that may be useful to those of you who are doing your own product design and development is when to listen to users and when not to. And obviously, there are many different approaches you can take here. But one distinction I found to be useful is always listen to the user's problems and their feelings. So if they say, for example, I don't know how to find people, or I don't know what I should be doing, or I couldn't figure out what to do next, or the UI was confusing, you absolutely have to take that feedback into account. But when they start offering you specific solutions, that's when you have to exercise your own judgment. So if they say, I wish there was a button to do this, or you should implement this AI algorithm or summarization over here or there, that's when you have to exercise your own judgment. Because they don't understand all the different trade-offs you're making to keep the app coherent. So I listen for user problems, but not necessarily to the user solutions. For historical reasons which have already been explained here, it's from chit-chat, or chat, or it can be called also posting at some settings, which is a more normal way of saying things. But there are also some other new words we could use, at least describing the person, like voice in.

[10:56:52] Or we could call chatters. Yapping is one way to call it, but it's probably one particular type of posting. But we really need something which is specific for the voice. Maybe it's sounding vocaling. Do you think yapping or yap has been pigeonholed into the shitposting of, yeah, sorry, air chat? I never thought it was anything else. Yeah, my screen time has definitely gone down too because it's just like, oh, if the people I like aren't posting on here, then I'm not going to be on here either. I feel like because I feel like I'm not finding like new people really on my feet or you know so if the people I follow aren't here then I don't have a reason to be either I don't know. The way I look at it Hannah is most times you're here to open yourself to new thinking and new perspectives so the people whom you follow if they're not there then go ahead have a conversation with people who you don't follow and every conversation is going to bring a new aspect to your life that also means that there is a lot of new information that goes into your life. And there are, until at least for me, I have noticed, I tend to create notes out of my conversations coming from air chat, because a lot of times, a lot of my concepts, depending on which phase of my life I am, and what kind of emotional upheaval I'm in, they kind of get mellowed down because of the logical down-earth way of thinking about life here. Does it matter who is viewing it or listening to it? I don't know who who's listening to my things, if anybody, if I have something to say, I say it.

[10:58:22] And that's the thing. And if it will resonate with some people, they will reply. And that's the conversation. And it also helps if you're following some people who are really active in your timeline. I'm in the time zone, because then you will have new stuff on your feed. Yeah, you're right. I think I just need to commit myself enough and just been busy outside of this. So just haven't had the time. But I think once I get bored enough or like I'm free enough, I can and will actually commit. Yeah, my screen time has definitely gone down too because it's just like, oh, if the people I like aren't posting on here, then I'm not going to be on here either. I feel like because I feel like I'm not finding like new people really on my feet or, you know. So if the people I follow aren't here, then I don't have a reason to be either. I don't know. Well, then you want to follow these people.

[10:59:11] There are a lot of these, you can see the emoji usernames and their memes channel, and there's totally a lot of that going on. I think there's even more than anything else, but you just have to find them. To speak or not to speak is not the question. It's whether you have something to say or you're creating content for others. Exactly. I mean, first of all, this editing problem is really difficult to solve. And even if it gets solved, then I personally don't want to use this feature because I want to sound natural. I mean, even the best speakers of the world can't speak perfect language at the first take, right? So it should be pretty common to talk like that. And it's fine. I mean, why do we need to use the editing feature? First we'll record, then we'll edit. Then there will be some people who will sound perfect, and other ones who doesn't edit will not sound that perfect. I think it should be natural.

[10:59:58] The reality is the USP of this app, and it should not be compromised at any cost. We are fine the way we are, and we should be natural and real. The editing is there, but you just do it in your head. Oh, this is so nice. I really love your reply. AirChat and TikTok have something in common. In TikTok, you are logging the content. And on AirChat, you are listening to the message. And you may not go to the profile of the person. See, it's emphasize instead of emphasis in the above audio, and I'm completely okay with that. I made a mistake. I've noticed that in my chits, they are usually first takes, and if I make some kind of a mistake, I just keep on talking and correct it within the chit. I don't do another chit, unless there's something more fundamental which will disrupt the message or some other way distort what I'm saying. Twitter is obnoxiously aggressive about always returning you to the for you feed, and I consider that a bug more than a feature, so I'm not sure we want to do that just yet.

[11:00:59] In any case, we are changing how channels will be presented in the interface, so this whole user interface paradigm will no longer apply. another annoying thing was that when you're recording a chit and somebody dms you if you're in the dm mode or even here if you reply to me it will interrupt it will come to the feed to the view and give us all the noise the voice while i'm recording and i don't remember it was not maybe interrupting you know really forcefully kicking out the recording of the chit but it was really annoying in of all i've really enjoyed air chat so far i find it very valuable to use a social media platform that allows you to listen to the voice of somebody trying to transmit a message. From my point of view, by being able to hear the voice of someone, it allows you to more accurately interpret what message they're trying to transmit. Additionally, for the past couple months, I've been using the protocol NOSTER, which stands for Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted Through Relay. And I found that protocol to be pretty unique and useful because it allows every user to take ownership of their profile, the notes they publish, the followers they have, and then the people they follow, and transport all that information between different platforms based on the Nostr protocol. I was curious if you have any thoughts on Nostr. And then additionally, I wanted to ask if you're in the works or planning on including any crypto capabilities into AirChat.

[11:02:18] Thanks. Familiar with Nostr, it's cool to have true decentralized social media that's very hard the sensor like Nostra has. And I think in the future, we would look at decentralizing ear chat, but we have to get the product stable first. And there's a lot more to build. And obviously, you have to get a successful first. In terms of using tokens, there are no plans for us to use any tokens. Well, I hope everybody doesn't employ that hack. But I would suggest you go into channels where you can find a lot more people chatting about what their topic you're into. And it might just be an icebreaker, like talking about coffee or walking your dog or something. But at least that way, you can start making a few friends. Unfortunately, our onboarding is difficult. It's a little awkward. It's hard to make friends. But I think it's pretty rewarding once you find a little group of people on here that you resonate with. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think this is the easiest way to talk to strangers that's existed in human history. Oh my gosh, in the mountains. Oh, that sounds so beautiful and also a little scary. Oh, my tummy's turning in the best way. If you ever get the chance, drive Highway 1, especially up by Big Sur, and you're out of time, but there's not many cars on the road. And oh my god, on one side you have mountains, on the other side, you have these steep, steep cliffs just falling into the ocean. And you're just driving in these windy roads all through there. It is pure magic. If you love to drive, this is your mecca.

[11:03:29] I don't think we can explicitly exclude marketers from air chat. And it's hard to figure out how you would do that. Because, you know, the line between what is marketing and what is not can be very subtle. All of that said, I think that the design of the app disfavors marketing. So that's one thing that helps. And the second is we may create specific channels where if you want to market your thing and support your customers, great. There's a channel for that and people who are interested in that should go to that channel and otherwise stay out of the main feed. But ultimately it just boils down to product design rather than to rule sets. And you already know this. I'm just saying this for everybody else's benefit. - We have decades of practice with the telemarketers and we can quickly in a second, so in a few words, figure out already if it's a marketing pitch. So this platform might be also repulsive for the pitching approach, which doesn't really work.

[11:04:16] Hey, Max, I have a question. Are you saying that Apple is the Bethesda of hardware? Oh, no, just the opposite. Apple is God Emperor of Dune of Hardware. The hardware is best in the world. And yeah, actually, I can go for hours about the stuff you can find inside Apple actual devices, especially on security and cryptography front. That's like insane state of the art achievements. It's like best what humanity have to offer. Can't offer right now in mix of hardware, cryptography security. So, no, their position as hardware leader is absolutely indisputable, but that is any natural or unnatural monopoly that leads to problems which weren't even new in the United States back in the 1930s. So, since they have well-deserved and absolutely monopolistic position in hardware, they are using, and I would say that's still up to courts to decide, but in my personal opinion, they are using increasingly illegally that well-deserved hardware monopoly to project their power into software monopoly because they are historically pretty weak with software so they kind of they provide operating system and some basic applications but kind of as i said the applications are barely working and we covered only a few of them but i can go on it's like they apple music is absolutely broken uh kind of you can work it with the simplest simplest commands uh so pretty much as soon as you move one step away from operating system their software is garbage and kind of it would be a problem for a real company but because they have that monopoly on hardware they played it exactly as microsoft playbook from 20 years ago and they are abusing the hardware monopoly to keep other developers out of the ecosystem through app stores through illegal app store practices through illegal air for app store payment practices etc etc so basically they're like you know what we can completely control their software stack so you guys will never compete with us and the fact that we write like really shitty really bad software never going to come, never going to hurt us because you know what? We don't have competition. We're keeping competition away from the software stack.

[11:06:15] So no, they definitely, I would say they are definitely not Bethesda of hardware and they are far far worse than Bethesda of software. Oh my gosh. I think half of me wants to stay and play with Paige and be with Paige and then the other half wants to be a passenger. No, that's a lie. That's a lie. I want to go in the car. Will you let me in the car? I want to go in the car. I'll stick my nose straight up and say Oh, this is the best day ever Well, here's the question Are you as cool as this passenger? I now have both And I will be comparing How they both perform against each other You sure you're not part of some street gang, Tom? I most certainly am Don't die Yes, you are correct, Jess I think we cannot get any honest answers to this question Mostly because I don't think anyone Can honestly answer this for themselves Wolfram is talking about that in his latest interview It's coming out tomorrow on Friday But you can already see the interview in this link Yeah, so that's really fascinating also That we don't really know anyone else He's also pointing out, Wolfram in the interview That how computers are seeing things completely differently While seeing is a figurative speech here But when you, for example, see almost photons coming at you And the solidity of the reality Looks completely different from your perspective If your time frame and window is completely different the world is a different place. Similarly we are having different world experiences and they don't really communicate easily with other human beings. So we are just almost like walking in the dark and trying to feel our way. But we think we know a lot even though we know very little about ourselves and about others.

[11:07:55] Yeah I mean that's what I try to do but it's not verifiable. Also most people lie to themselves more than anyone else. So this past Friday, our sister community, Pirate Wires, had a podcast where they were kind of trashing the network state idea. I was in the live chat defending the honor. They thought it was inherently anti-American. My argument was that, although Apology says, yeah, America last place you would look doesn't mean you wouldn't look there. And there could be some like America first network states, for example. But I think that was lost on, I guess, the Pirate Wires crew. I don't know. What are y'all's thoughts? I'll link the YouTube video, by the way. It's at the end where they get into it. It's kind of funny that they frame network states as un-American, because seceding and starting your own country is the most American thing of all. What certainly doesn't work is what some of the more famous people who came on the release launch, they were like, hey, I want to know who you are and what you do and introduce yourself. And then there was zero engagement and conversations happening.

[11:08:48] I thought people were filling the thread with their replies, obviously, because they wanted to properly get some kind of response or attention, validation, but that's not really genuine. I think AirChat actually clearly shows sort of like the negative aspects of becoming famous or having this kind of level of fame as an influencer. Because here I think you'll be overrun with questions that probably you don't want to interact with, and it will be very difficult to get into conversations that you actually enjoy. It can also reveal that some of those who are famous, that they have highly graded and managed appearances. So they're not really spontaneous and maybe there's somebody else handling a lot of the social interaction. And that facade will fail and fall if you start to do it yourself. And in some cases that can be quite career changing. So you've added an H to your name.

[11:09:38] You don't think you're enough of a prat already. I can't hear you. Press the button, you donut. I can't hear you. This is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? Yeah, obviously, if you press the button. Oh, Stephen, this is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? You are a fucking star, aren't you? Yes! Okay, so this is important. The client has expressed that he'd really like you to... Oh, fucking hell. You've done it again? Press the button! I can't hear you unless you push the button! Stephen, this is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me? I dare you to say that one more time. Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah, well, then keep your finger on the fucking button Okay, Steven, so this is important. The client has expressed they'd really like to stress certain words within the script. Okay! And the words we'd like you to stress are love. Yeah, you think I can't see you laughing in the... I'm inclined to think they're negative, son, because rising in status implies rising above someone else, which means they're decreasing in status. However, there are different games to play, and so a loser of one game may be a winner of another. Okay, I've read through all the responses here, and now I have a stronger opinion on this.

[11:10:31] I think the social status games are actually metagames of other ecosystems, and therefore you can't determine the positive or negative sum outcome of the social status game itself because it is actually just part of the ecosystem, and so you have to look at the ecosystem and see if that ecosystem is positive or negative sum. Certainly if there's a Farcaster token that's integrated into the protocol, or a Warpcast token more likely that's integrated into Warpcast, that's going to displace degen pretty quickly. That said, maybe there's a window of opportunity for the degen people to launch their own client, which would be another difficult thing to do. Ultimately, though, the Warpcast client itself is a centralizing force. Just like in blockchains, if you don't have multiple clients, you have a centralizing force. So if they wanted to be truly distributed, they're going to have to have multiple clients. And perhaps a DGEM client can be one of those. There certainly are some parallels to what happened with Twitter. Twitter was a pretty open space with open APIs and many clients.

[11:11:21] And then they started to close things down. And also the alternative clients started to become more like a threat. So here's the same thing. And I think it might be the forecasters, VC funding. You need a way to monetize. There needs to be something, and that's probably against a multitude of clients and open and fair competition for users' attention. So I think your intuition of starting to spin off something, and maybe a client, and start to put some molds around it is a good one, because that already happens with the Warpcast. There were many clients, and there still are many clients, and they've been launched, but the website completely changed, so they're not promoted anymore. Beatrice, by the way, do you want to chime in on the subject of Finland War? Because I suspect you are quite close to the source material and maybe some people's stories than two of us are. To keep it short, I'm not so polite, but just once again, taking from the common sayings and they are not politically correct, even though they may hold truth. So it's a Russian line while he's speaking. This is one of the sayings and there are many of other ones.

[11:12:26] So, yeah, there's no good-hearted Russians giving you anything. That's for sure. So studying the Finnish history, I think, is a really good lesson. But nevertheless, studying also the Baltic history is a really good lesson as well, because that's, I think, even more important, that we study Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, because those are considered part of Russia, which is not true. But Finland was somewhat more lucky with the wars. And that was not the case, for example, with Estonia. even though Estonia's per capita GDP before the war was higher than in Finland in the 30s, I think. So there's a lot of history lessons, I think, which we need to learn, relearn and educate ourselves if you're not exactly in the front line, meaning having borders with Russia, because what we see here now in Ukraine is not the exception. It's what they've been doing hundreds of years, probably going back even more.

[11:13:19] So in that way, I hope that maybe there needs to be some kind of lessons from Finland thread. Let me think about some people to get here who are willing and knowledgeable to speak about the topic. Main feed threading. The effect of Naval's fast replies and new content dropping on your feed so fast that you just see the new posts and you cannot move on in the feed. Though it's funny that if you're playing guitar or you're playing something where you need both of your hands, you need to push the play button or the record button with your other extremities like with your toes. Team Longcheat fellow warriors acknowledge that definitely was the first hill we were dying on, but I just remind you that the anti-room crusade was just this January. Longcheat was by far not the only crusade.

[11:14:14] I can provide a little bit of context behind why there is this incredibly inconvenient record button that you have to hold all the time. Just my personal speculation after playing with AirChat for two years, playing with all versions of AirChat for two years and interacting with the team. So AirChat team has a certain design concept that I call crusades. Crusades is the idea of what should be, in their opinion, correct for the product, no matter what the actual user desires and user's flaws are. It's sort of like force giving users a car to users that only use to a horse, and making a bet that you designed that car exactly as the user did not know he wanted. And so over time, I think I've seen at least five of these Crusades. Every single one of them more or less failed.

[11:15:04] But nonetheless, I think that just air chat design philosophy that at some critical junction, we will always try to give you a car. And we're not going to ask you how you want your faster horse. You're just getting full car or don't ride it. So with that philosophy in mind, I suspect that button is residual of one of those crusades. The idea was that if you have to hold your finger on the button, your cheats will be smaller, quicker. They will be more like hot takes instead of deep thoughts. So it will encourage people to record just smaller pieces of content a few seconds long. I have some speculation where that crusade come about, but just like with all other air chat crusades, users just completely ignored it, kind of tried to find their way around it. And yeah, you can literally ignore it and just wait until that crusade ends, because it usually ends the same way that crusaders are nailed to the cross by common sense, but the stronger as a crusader, the longer it takes, as usual.

[11:15:59] I already forgot, or maybe I was never part of it, or I was not informed about the anti-Rome crusade. So you were pro-Rooms, or you were against Rooms, or what was the thing here? Was there also anti-Clip movement? As this relates to the DGEN token and the social metagame being played on Farcaster in the DGEN community, I think it's going to be highly dependent on the culture of the DGEN tippers. And so if they can foster a culture of building useful things for people that help themselves problem and make everyone's life better, then it can be positive sum. But if it fosters a culture of building more ponzies that people get rugged on in the future, then it's going to be negative sum. So I guess we'll see how it goes. Even if the first gen tippers and participants know what they're getting into and it's a game and fun for them, the later ones who are imitating and are not sharing the same culture and the knowledge and experience market things differently and this going a few iterations it's easy to see the rock culture and the scams and the negatives kicking in like in any other setting as well i think i have deleted probably at least 10 times more recordings on here than i've actually posted every time i try to post. I either forget what I'm trying to say or how exactly how to say it halfway through and I don't want to post I don't want to waste people's time with incoherent rambling. Other times I just cringe at the sound of my incoherent rambling and I delete it, try again, delete it, try again, sometimes give up, maybe post later. I'm finding that this This app is pretty fun.

[11:17:46] It's good for practicing public speaking, getting better at putting words together. There's something kind of awkward about just posting a recording of yourself into the ether, as opposed to being at dinner parties. I was actually walking along the street yesterday recording a little clip for this app, and I just noticed two people looking at me like I was completely unhinged. So it's definitely new. It just feels very... It's a very unique and different way of doing social media. It's asynchronous public voice messages.

[11:18:36] and I kind of like it but I kind of find it frustrating as well because it's you you have to know exactly when you're gonna what you're gonna say before you say it and and uh it's yeah you can't like you know you can't make a recording of yourself speaking at any moment of the day like There are a lot of contexts where it's just not appropriate to be talking to your phone. And you can't edit your voice after you've used the wrong word or whatever. But I guess the only way to use this is just to keep verbalising all these rambling thoughts I have. And hopefully over time I will become better at actually speaking more concisely, like Naval seems to have a unique talent for.

[11:19:38] Some of the people you see here, they've been practicing more than a year, and probably they have had their podcast or public speaking experience, so everybody's journey is different. So just keep on talking and having fun here. Finish this sentence. I play games mostly for the... Dot, dot, dot. end credits. People of air chat, what do you call the post action that you do on this site? For example, you know, tweet is for Twitter, snap is for Snapchat. Is it just called air chats or chats or airs? What is it? For historical reasons, it's already been explained here. It's from chit chat or chat. Or it can be called also posting at some settings, which is more normal way of saying things, but there are also some other new words we could use, at least describing the person, like voice in, or we could call chatters. Yapping is one way to call it, but it's probably one particular type of posting. But we really need something which is specific for the voice. Maybe sounding vocaling sendee is that the latest from the same set of millennials it's an x and z does anyone have any good theories or resources to learn more about how things spread among society not like viruses or anything biological more like ideologies and slang and trends like that's something that i've just been curious about a lot specifically that one trend that is about like check the checker keyboard between this letter and this letter like where did that start from and then how did it just grow so fast like that it's really interesting and then all those other trends that we've seen i don't know it's just it's crazy how one person starts it and then it becomes so widespread but i'm just curious to learn more about you know how that really works and if anyone has any resources that would be great do dutch talks about memes have you checked them out will do uh thank you i saw david deutsch had posted something today in response to um the argument that we live in a simulation.

[11:21:42] I know this isn't directly related to what Stephen proposes, but it does have that computational aspect. And yeah, the paper's interesting. It's from 1999, so I'm going to have a read of that as well. The magical omnipresence of a field. I've tried to record a cheat by pushing the play pause button a few times. That happened, well, this week. It started to happen, but I think I've got rid of that habit now. I do that all the time, and then I wonder why the little thing isn't moving. Mine, ladies and greatest, is that there's a buck which keeps the button down. Except when you lift your finger, it stops, but it doesn't really stop. It stops the mic, but it doesn't stop the function. And then you wonder why things are not really working. That's interesting. I wonder how that would work here, and whether or not the fact that there's voice involved and tone in that voice. I feel like people would have to be much better actors to pull that exact same methodology off here.

[11:22:32] But I guess time will tell. Yeah, from those who are introducing themselves. on the other hand in real life it's a little bit more maybe rare to just ask everybody to introduce themselves so i don't know maybe it happens but it's just more artificial in real life if you're not really genuinely interested of the of the people or maybe you just want to get the people around you to talk to each other and you don't really care what you to facilitate what certainly doesn't work is what some of the more famous people who came on the release launch where they were like hey i want to know who you are and what you do and introduce yourself and then there was zero engagement and conversations happening. So people were feeling the threat with their replies, obviously, because they wanted to probably get some kind of response or attention, validation. But that's not really genuine. To be honest, when I think about that kind of interaction, where one person asks a whole bunch of people to all introduce themselves and talk about themselves, think about the last time that happened to you in real life.

[11:23:30] Maybe at some kind of conference or group session where everybody does a bunch of intros. I find I rarely connect with people that way. I often forget what they say shortly after because the next person's going and I'm focused on them. If there's more than three or four people involved, it's just impossible to keep track of. The connecting only really happens when you go deeper from the initial introduction. It is an artificial setting. And like you said, it doesn't really work. The natural way is that you, and what happens here and what happens in real life, you start talking about something. And then if you find enough common ground, then you start to ask, hey, what's your name? Who you are? What do you do? Because you become more curious and maybe you want to continue the relationship after the encounter. And this is exactly what you can do here as well. You can just drop in, comment something, and that's it. Or you can keep on talking. And that is pretty much the natural way of doing things. Works for dating, works for meeting in business purposes, and having conversations on AirChat.

[11:24:21] Hey, AirChat. This is my friend Tasos Karantakos. He's a Greek independent filmmaker who's embedded himself with the Taliban and has been on the front lines of Ukraine a handful of times. Give him your love and support. Dropping chits. Is that a term here now? Or have you been spending too much time on crypto channels? Drop chit like it's hot. Some chits are better not dropped. Okay, okay. The meme of the day is something that I know we all can relate to. Anyone learn anything new today? I'm curious. Drop it below. I want to learn new things too. So in Japan, you'll notice that there are no trash cans around, yet nonetheless, the city is spotless. And if you go to any food stand, like those in Tsukiji markets, they give you food, they give you cups, they give you skewers, and you're actually supposed to throw, like, eat it there, and then throw them out at that shop. It's very odd for Japanese people to carry the food around, because you can't really dispose of it elsewhere.

[11:25:26] there. Like if you go and dispose of them in another vendor, they will literally pick out that food and give it back to you. I think Ben got yelled at because of that. So there's that. That's something I learned. And now I'm very conscientious about the trash. Vocal, local. Suddenly people are starting to ask, hey, where are you? Can we meet? How about offline meeting in real life venues? This seems to be the topic. So people are starting to make connections and they want to meet in real life. Soundmates. Ooh, Petri, is this a subtweet? Subtweet? Chit? Yeah? Chit, chat, sub, chit. Damn it, I keep posting my chits in the wrong channel. It's like the 10th time now. Oh my god. After all it's called cheat posting.

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[0:00] where are you? Can we meet? How about offline meeting in real life venues? This seems to be the topic. So people are starting to make connections and they want to meet in real life soundmates. I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram, who actually, now that I mention it, would love to come on to this. I feel like he would jive very well with AirChat. Has anyone sent him an invite yet? I could do so. It was such an interesting interview. I've interviewed him twice. The first time was in 2018. I was first starting my podcast. And he talked about AI. And this was before, probably after GPT-2 came out, probably before GPT-3 came out. He was already aware of the stuff. I knew what unsupervised learning and supervised learning were, but I was not aware of GPT. I wish I was.

[0:47] And he said, you know, once AI's here, we'll need to learn how to know what to want, because the robots will be able to do what we want. They'll be able to do a lot of what we want, not all of it, but maybe eventually. And so then the core human problem shows up is how to figure out what we want. And for anybody who has looked deeply into the nature of desire, it is not at all clear how to figure out what we want, because most of our wants are implanted by societal processes and social proof. Oh, that guy's got something. I want that. I want that because he's got it. And I respect him, so I want that too. And that's not a strong basis for a desire. Desire is something different. This could go into the nature of enlightenment as the ultimate desire. Why would you want enlightenment? It means the death of the person. Why would you want that? All that's a tangent, because I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram again, and now we have the AI that does what we want.

[1:46] And it's initial stages. It doesn't do everything that we want. It's done a lot of things that I don't want to do, all the busy work, particularly around publishing podcast episodes. So now we've got AI. we did a great interview on his theory of physics as well, which is really interesting. I can't remember. It was a while ago. I think it was a month ago now. I'm going to publish on Friday. So if you're interested in hearing the episode, please subscribe to Crazy Wisdom on iTunes, Spotify, or YouTube. I can actually release it here. If somebody wants to hear it, I'll make a special release to the air chat people, and I'll just link to it. But basically, we talked about his theory of physics, And there's one point where I asked him about separate things, separate things in the universe, like entities in the universe.

[2:44] And he said there are no separate things in the universe because space itself is a network. Ah, no, there is no empty space in space. Empty space is part of the network of space. And that blew my mind. So yeah, let me know if anybody wants to listen to that episode, and I'll make a special early release for people here on AirChat. Some days ago, Andrew was asking the same questions what Wolfram is mentioning in the first 10 minutes of the episode here. So it's definitely interesting to see that these existential questions are always popping up, but you can take them from so many different perspectives and angles, whether you're starting from simple algos and then getting to the complexity or you're approaching them from the physics perspective or from the philosophical perspective. always coming to the same questions one way or another. I find myself liking people that I hear on air chat so much more than other platforms because I think hearing their voice makes me think they're talking directly to me subconsciously. It's really, really powerful in a way that Twitter was never able to achieve. Let's drink coffee, do great things. Please invite him if you have invites and I can help and probably somebody from the team as well if you have run out of them.

[3:57] I would love to hear the interview if you have a link or some other means to get it out. Great. In terms of inviting him, he runs his business in a very interesting way. I won't share more, but the root of the issue is that I can't directly send him an invite. So if anybody has his direct contact, I still don't have it. And then I think that would be the best method of inviting him. What have you found in your sound, Matt? sound mates right i think this is really exciting this name sound mate so all those people with whom we are connected they are all sound mates right you can swipe left and right if you have channels engaged sound mates right i think this is really exciting this name sound mate so all those people with whom we are connected they are all sound mates right Try again.

[5:24] sense. It's not just about simplification and focus for you as a product team, but it lets the community fill in for those patterns to strengthen the feed itself. Right now, channels serve an amazing role or some construct like it. They're like the eddies against the entropy of the mainstream. And it is a way for people to get topical, to connect with people in a different way with a different focus. But at the same time, it's a thing that's keeping them from doing things like curating their own following lists for the mainstream in the same way, or in a way that would add the most value for that stream. So those are kind of random thoughts. I need another cup of coffee. Anyway, keep doing what you're doing. I noticed that in order to get new people, discover new people, discover new topics, get variety, I'm already following 1K and I've been in this app more than a year, well, in the previous versions. And in order to have that spontaneity and having just some kind of unpredictability, I need to go to the channels at the moment to do that because the feed is getting a little bit too repetitive and people are settling down with their following lists. Sunset in Sedona. Sorry I meant Tinder. Tinder sucks. I guess Twitter kind of sucks too but I also like Twitter. I don't know. Tinder. Tinder is what sucks. Well that can be gamified. All those crypto people thinking of Jap token or So, chit token, here's an idea. You will reveal the wallet seed in your chit. You randomly will engage and give clues for the proper chits, and then people will chase your words.

[7:02] And maybe you can use even novel likes as currency. It should be easy enough to adjust to anything you like. For instance, you can easily convert that one to just add something to your iOS reminders or to connect it to another API. The craziest one I have done is I can send from a mobile device any video or any audio file and it will send it to my Mac for processing and then it does a complete audio or video processing workflow and then it will give back the processed file which is also compressed and well it does quite a lot of things fine. There isn't a blog channel yet, so reply to this post with the best blog post you've read or the best one you've written if you have your own blog. If there will be a channel, maybe it should be called Plug.

[7:55] Well, my blog is my first name, last name, dot com. Excellent, thank you. I think the thing I most use for AI is a little iOS and macOS shortcut that sends a screenshot. extracts the text, sends that to chatc2p and creates a todo for it in my PKM. Without the wind, the grass does not move. Without software, hardware is useless. Software is the heart of the hardware. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I think this is the easiest way to talk to strangers that's existed in human history. That is so true. Even an introvert like me is talking on this app continuously so I don't think there is any easy way to talk about it. any easy way to talk to strangers then on this app. Hi AirChat. I've been playing around on this app for a few hours. I haven't gone onto YouTube and, or read about how to maximize the benefit of this, but I always like new things and to try new things. And I like the invite only, um, idea of it. And I just wanted to share that Clubhouse was life-changing for me. I liked the idea of jumping into a room and it was the serendipity and luck and the dynamic nature of seeing who was there and it was like a conference to me with so many topics and I just really liked it and then it changed and it seemed to go asynchronous and so far this app reminds me of that so I'm still trying to figure out how to how to jump in here any advice hey Beverly welcome this is a conversation app so pick a few people are you already in a discussion group so you can start following some people and you will start to see things in your main feed based on those follows so if you reply to someone that will be pumped to your following. And this is the similar way you will see things on your main feed. There's no interruption, so you can at any time reply to any cheat, and that's the beginning of a new conversation. You can be playful, you can use also the search and find topics of interest. And the best part is that the app is still in heavy development, and there's a lot of experimental features, so you can also experiment and find fun and engaging ways to enjoy yourself

[10:01] and the discussions. Thank you. A channel about advice? I don't know what to think about it. That's strange. It's the creative outlet to channel your inner guru. Well, now that you put it that way, I guess we need to do 20 pull-ups. Linda, get up and get your ass to the gym right now. You're right. Thanks for holding me accountable. I will be at the gym and I will fulfill those 20 pull-ups that I owe you guys. I wouldn't be so sure that socks do have a tendency to just go missing. You might have just experienced like one strange little weird quantum effect where all of a sudden 400 individual socks all went missing at the same time. Could be. Could be. Well, there are some string theories and these threads are going deep and then the particles can have some kind of spins probably as well.

[10:57] But I think we're going to need a sock haul here to talk about these things. I lose a lot of socks. That socks. If you enjoy steering blue sky, here's how it was built. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, I know you ate bread. Put it down. Naval, you're a thing about bread. Naval, you just ate some bread. I can smell it on your breath.

[12:03] The value look like bread. You're made of bread. You're gonna die with a piece of bread in your mouth. I specifically do not engage with Naval on some things just because I feel like he's already the guy at the dinner party that has all the people trying to get his attention, trying to hang out. So I like Naval. I like the interactions that I do have with him. But yeah, I kind of intentionally leave him alone. What are the rules of engagement?

[12:52] I don't know. More like a guideline, I guess. Something like no need to chime in and add something to the conversation unless I really actually have something to add to the conversation. either, you know, of actual value of or of humor value. Either one. When I first saw this photo, it looked like an enormous basket of fries, but now I just realized that I'm stupid and it's called perspective. It gives perspective, all right. I have made a discovery. Japanese McDonald's fries are fried in beef and pork fat. That's why they taste very Wagyu-like. When I first saw this photo it looked like an enormous basket of fries but now I just realized that I'm stupid and it's called perspective. These confounding factors for whether or not a like means you like it makes me think there should be a third button that's a private like. It doesn't tell the person but it tells the recommender that you like it. I guess that's what engagement time is but I don't know these these social confounding factors make it just like bothers me a little bit. No I want to a trade button. I wanna trade novel-like to camera-like or... camal-like or chess-like.

[14:04] AirJap token, social status games, and we're starting to have an emerging going rate for likes, replies, richits. The pieces are coming together for the new social air trap. The AirChat Federal Reserve has set rules. Get busy. More you talk, more you cheat, more you get likes. The best lies are on transcripts. AirJap token, social status games, and we're starting to have an emerging going rate for likes, replies, rechits. The PCs are coming together for the new social air trap. And then the real players are the ones who are hiding it. 4-1 reply.

[14:58] Hold on, you said you owe everybody in this group something. What is it that you're owing us? We need to fill the obligations of this contract. I think you're going to have to owe us 20 push-ups. Or like extra reps, something like that. Sounds fair. It's easier than 20 pull-ups. Well, now that you put it that way, I guess we need to do 20 pull-ups. Linda get up and get your ass to the gym right now. Okay so Nawal just liked one of my air chats. I'm so embarrassed. I am so embarrassed because I thought nobody is listening to these. This is so funny. I don't know what to say but I am flattered that I get to connect with people like him on this platform. And I probably should refine the way I talk over here. I don't know, I'll probably stop using this now. But yeah, it was fun. Like, yeah.

[15:59] Naval printed a lot of likes, so the currency is super devalued. But a Naval repost, that'll get you a lot. So we keep our fingers crossed that Musk will buy it. I don't know, it's all politics, so logic doesn't matter. If you see this post, it means that we have solved the new post creation. Congratulations. Enjoy your chit-chatting. Hey, that was fast. Are you already setting up a Tokyo office so we can have a 24-7 customer support and bug fixing and squashing and feature building? You have the right to remain silent and refuse to speak if you give up the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used in conversations on air chat. This morning I've tried to do three posts and none of them have actually succeeded.

[16:52] It's come back saying re-record and check your internet connection, which I have done. So I'm just testing in here. What I noticed is that I can reply here, but I'm going to create a new cheat without a reply to something. You know how unconferences could be either super amazing or super bad based on how good the moderator is? that is leading the unconference session. It would be really great if this app had a couple of more built-in restraints and constraints to cut off how long people can reply, et cetera, to make the conversation flow more and to involve more people into the conversation. It's mainly about people. So, yeah, you can use the search and the topics, discussions or groups. But AI is not really good at getting the context. So probably there will be something in the future. But at this point, I would recommend just trying to find interesting people and then follow them.

[17:39] and they will reply to other interesting people. And that's the one-on-one people-to-people connection you are going to get here and should be having real conversations and not just consuming content. I did not see this coming. It's at least a new Facebook. Hey, folks. So TikTok is getting banned. What do we think? I just saw that I think it passed today. And all it needs, I think it passed Senate within the finance bill or whatever. Biden needs to sign and basically that's it. TikTok has whatever, 180 days or whatever time to either divest and sell TikTok or they will get banned. And what do we think? I personally think that TikTok is hella dangerous. The amount of engagement and youth affection, I think it's very dangerous to have that in the hands of a non-US kind of entity.

[18:32] But I was wondering what you guys think. So we keep our fingers crossed that musk will bite. And all of a sudden it clicks. Does it clack? I have made a discovery. Japanese McDonald's fries are fried in beef and pork fat. That's why they taste very Wagyu-like. Isn't the biggest question here. You go to Japan to go to McDonald's. I'm all for Whisper Air Chat. This is the best air chat. Sigil, please, when you come back, give me a whisper room or channel or whatever I call it. I want a channel where it's all whispering people. I think it's going to be incredible. Let's go. Fred's is threading X to pieces. The daily active users are higher than X twitters.

[19:29] Thanks, so I'll stop calling it Takaru and I'll call it Takaru and I'll stop saying Chai tea as well. Chai tea is unacceptable. But you know what? We get it, Nawal. The only Hindi term you remember correctly is the name of your favorite food. And by now we all know it. It's Malai. We get it. I just went to the search and I saw that there's another AI topic and it has like 7,000 people. While we're in here with like 100 people or so. How did that get so big without me seeing? It's crazy. Okay, guys. 9 a.m. call time for gym. I owe everyone in this group if I don't go. Hey, Linda, it's your gym calling just to remind you of your 9 a.m. Hi, Julie.

[20:18] I did not go at 9. I went at noon, but I still did go. So thank you for this. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Okay, thank you. Are social status games positive some, negative some, or zero some? The Neval bait has been put out. Let's see if he bites. Oh, I forgot to post my final results from last week. I win, or I lose. I have a problem. I think you do it better. Oh, groovy, baby. thank you so much Petri I think I might have to audition for the fourth Austin Powers movie that'd be fun especially if we collected some characters from air chat to also be involved as well I had to delete the word groovy from my vocabulary because of my British accent it always sounds like I'm impersonating Austin Powers groovy baby I think you do it better. Oh groovy baby. Thank you so much Petri. I think I might have to audition for the fourth Austin Powers movie. That'd be fun especially if we collected some characters from air chat to also be involved as well. Yeah man I mean I was uh I was actually talking about Brett and my other comment about people sounding like they're scripted just when I was listening to some of his content. It just struck me as sounding very scripted or forced and performative, which is just not what I was kind of looking for or what I thought the app would be doing.

[22:03] But I'll check out the other guys. Yeah, it tends to be sort of narrow. I guess I'm looking for more of the sort of meme aspects of social platforms that are compelling. It seems like a lot of the air chat use cases are intended for, ones that I'm not particularly focused on when I'm using social media. But maybe it's just a different usage thing as well, I don't know. Well, have you found the meme discussion group? They're also a karaoke group. Have you seen the sitposting stuff happening? Well, here's one example of just sounds, and if you dig deeper, you'll find probably something funny. What do you think some people are looking for that they're they're not gonna find. Impeccable spelling. I'm enjoying Bulgaria. I've just arrived, honestly. But... Oops, you need to initiate the styling mode. Yeah, it's very similar and it's particularly difficult when you're conversing with people from different cultures. For example, in the UK people are very, very sarcastic and then you take that that default position of being very sarcastic and you start communicating with say Americans on the internet and they do not understand that sarcasm at all and they think that you're being overtly hostile and there there is no sarcasm emoji you know.

[23:19] Oh and not just with Americans. And by fighting I mean having a completely normal discussion actually. Is the party in front of you competing with the party in outer space? What? I don't use air chat for three days and nobody invites me to the air chat OG's channel. I'm very hurt, very saddened. Oh that's impossible but it's good to hear your voice. Can we download audio and revert to regular speed here? Because I've been wanting to crowdsource backing vocals for a bunch of songs. Like oftentimes I find myself having to create like multiple variations of me to create the kind of like massive crowd-esque backing vocals I want. And recently I've been using AI to change the voices to, you know, different kinds of voices. I wonder if AirChat could be the place to crowdsource the arena backing vocals I've always dreamed of.

[24:14] There's also the option to listen to the chits on WebPlayer. So let's take a link off the chit and it should play on any web browser as well. Maybe that's easier than to rep the audio if you want to have that one. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. Hey Petri, I'm just starting to drop content bombs everywhere and see where they land because I've no clue at the minute, but I'm finding it fun. I'm just kind of saying things and then not worrying about where it's going until I find my feet. Good to see you still around. Hey, Ben, good to see you. Yeah, I think the point is that you keep on talking and the bangers will land if they land, but it's not really the issue. And the point of the whole thing is just to have good conversations and those happen when you're talking. For example, in the case of Antrofix, it's not a funding issue. For example, you can check the cloud.ai. It's not accessible in the EU. I think the same thing, well, threats, there was also, they didn't launch in the EU. Well, they originally didn't, and then they took it back, and Gemini also wasn't available in the first weeks or months in the EU.

[25:24] So there are multiple cases where the EU citizens cannot access the AR models at the same time as people in the US, for example. And in the Anthropics case, I can put a link here, the commercial API is accessible in the EU, but the commercial service is not. Yeah, the sadness is that so many perhaps startups could have started and then eventually moved. And that now, here in Scandinavia, there is an even proposed law that makes it even difficult to exit Europe with financing and everything. So, yeah. My best friend and I have known each other, believe it or not, 40 years. So I found this poem called Friendship, and it just struck me. And it was like, this is, the poem's called Friendship by Dinah Maria Mullock Craig. Here it goes. Oh, the comfort, the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person. Having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words, but pouring them out, all right out, just as they are.

[26:16] Chaff and grain together. certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them, keep what is worth keeping, and with the breath of kindness, blow the rest away. I got this hot pocket looking thing at Mercado de la Boqueria in Barcelona. It tastes okay, but the picture looks good, so I'm sharing. Isn't the sound which matters next time you will taste something? The picture is just for the illustrative purposes, but the sound. This just might be a place for unironically groovy people, Shell. Glad to find you here. I had to delete the word groovy from my vocabulary because of my British accent. It always sounds like I'm impersonating Austin Powers. Groovy baby. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. I keep doing that about art and no one's responding to me. It makes me sad. But we did. Unfortunately, I even tried to attack you but you changed your Name and attacking doesn't really work at the moment and you were gone, so I couldn't find you within the 15-minute window.

[27:23] I couldn't attack Cyber either. What? I don't use AirChat for three days and nobody invites me to the AirChat OG's channel. I'm very hurt, very saddened. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. And if you don't see the people you would like to talk with, start inviting them. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. And if you don't see the people you would like to talk with, start inviting them. Exactly. For example, Stephen Wolfram. The origin story of AirChat. Brian wakes up one morning and this is the vision he has in his mind. Okay, I'll be honest. When I joined AirChat, I did not expect the karaoke channel at all. And now it is one of my favorite things.

[28:12] Thank you, guys. All I want for Christmas is a drone that hunts mosquitoes. If I go via the profile of the original poster's post, and there I can see my post, but if I click the link, I cannot go there and it doesn't open. But here it is. There's got to be a solution to the instant accidental blindness. The precision is probably good enough, so it will target between the mosquitoes' eyes. Welcome to the number of state chamber. If you've read the book, give me your feedback. We're writing the second edition now. Yeah, welcome to the club. Twitter has definitely been ruined. If only tweets could talk, and the long stares could make them too. Well, I guess you're almost there then. First you have a glimpse of it, and then over time that becomes your permanent state of being, I guess. And yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to be imperfect.

[29:05] So it's probably not about what you are, but how you are. We're all imperfect. And I think enlightened people are also like, you know, they don't change. They don't, in terms of like the qualities, in terms of how they behave, etc. It's just more of a quality of being awakened and being conscious in what they do and what they are. But I may be wrong, though. I'm not enlightened either. By the way, I think it's very interesting how this conversation went from Max Levitchin and PayPal to Buddha in like three chats. I was about to try and reply to someone on Twitter by pressing at the bottom of the screen and talking like it was air chat. Yeah, welcome to the club. It had to be you. It had to be you. I wandered around and finally found somebody who... Some years back I did an interview with the ex-prime minister. He was the youngest, at least Estonian prime minister, maybe the European prime minister, Taviro Ivas.

[30:06] and also the delivery robot company, Starship Enterprises, and the co-founder of Skype. Marty Hain, like my last episode, so if you want to get a little bit of Estonian flavor. Then I have also one of the, I think she was the highest paid Estonian supermodel, and she's also a startup founder and accomplished later on in that field as well. So there are some Estonian content in my podcast if you're interested. Sorry to plug. I'm just laughing, man. I've been a little busy creating content content by content creators for content consumers, connecting continental content for constant consumption, contextual content. This is so contentful content conversation.

[30:59] We were a platform to connect content creators to content consumers. The content creators were more content with the content they were creating, And the content consumers were really content with the content they were consuming. So what was the short content that was the most content in the continent of India's content? Funny content, wild content, content content. Content related to your context, context related to your content. In the end, the purpose was to serve the best content so people could be content. Good morning to East Coast. I see the early birds are already up and making their coffees. And I know some of the people in Japan are trying to stay still awake, at least the ones who've been traveling. If you don't see the content you'd like to see here, start talking. If you're not content with your content, then make better content to be content.

[31:51] I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram, who actually, now that I mention it, would love to come on to this. I feel like he would jive very well with AirChat. Has anyone sent him an invite yet? I could do so. It was such an interesting interview. I've interviewed him twice. The first time was in 2018. I was first starting my podcast. And he talked about AI. And this was before, probably after GPT-2 came out, probably before GPT-3 came out. He was already aware of this stuff. I knew what unsupervised learning and supervised learning were, but I was not aware of GPT. I wish I was. And he said, you know, once AI's here, we'll need to learn how to know what to want, because the robots will be able to do what we want. They'll be able to do a lot of what we want, not all of it, but maybe eventually.

[32:41] And so then the core human problem shows up is how to figure out what we want. And for anybody who has looked deeply into the nature of desire, it is not at all clear how to figure out what we want, because most of our wants are implanted by societal processes and social proof. Oh, that guy's got something. I want that. I want that because he's got it. And I respect him, so I want that too. And that's not a strong basis for a desire. Desire is something different. This could go into the nature of enlightenment as the ultimate desire. Why would you want enlightenment? It means the death of the person. Why would you want that? All that's a tangent, because I recently interviewed Stephen Wolfram again, and now we have the AI that does what we want. And it's, you know, initial stages. It doesn't do everything that we want. It's done a lot of things that I don't want to do, all the busy work, particularly around publishing podcast episodes.

[33:36] So now we've got AI. we did a great interview on his theory of physics as well, which is really interesting. I can't remember. It was a while ago. I think it was a month ago now. I'm going to publish on Friday. So if you're interested in hearing the episode, please subscribe to Crazy Wisdom on iTunes, Spotify, or YouTube. I can actually release it here. If somebody wants to hear it, I'll make a special release to the air chat people, and I'll just link to it. But basically, we talked about his theory of physics, And there's one point where I asked him about separate things, separate things in the universe, like entities in the universe. And he said there are no separate things in the universe, because space itself is a network.

[34:26] Ah, no, there is no empty space in space. Empty space is part of the network of space. And that blew my mind. So yeah, let me know if anybody wants to listen to that episode, and I'll make a special early release for people here on AirChat. So what do you think is the meaning of life? To discover what is. Erchat is getting deeper. The first week after the release was about funny sounds and giggling chits, and now we're talking about Buddhas and meaning of life and not giving advice. What's the next week gonna be like? What would you do if your ex joined Erchat and you got the notification? You can just tap the mute button and forget the whole thing. Why is the entire My First Million channel talking about Buddhas? What did I miss? The First Million Buddhas.

[35:21] Some of those posts get almost no interaction. Potentially just one like or one response with the person he's having the conversation with. Most people don't even see that in their timelines because for some reason the sorting algorithm does not put that in front of his viewers. so there are no interactions almost with that post and it is still obviously a good human interaction with another person that i don't think would exist on twitter the purpose of this platform is to just have a human connection to have someone to always talk to that you're interested in talking to and so if you get even one reply that makes the bid to talk worthwhile. And if you get too many replies, if you got the Instagram equivalent of 10,000 likes, it would be a disaster because you cannot engage in 10,000 conversations. You can't even process them all or sift through them all. So the platform is designed in such a way that it encourages you to have a small number of high quality conversations and not more than that. Let's see if it works.

[36:23] It's their content. If they want to delete it, it's their right. We can't stop them, nor should we. Not a priority feature, but it would be nice to get a notification that that's it your reply has been deleted so you have the option to delete your reply if it's meaningless or it's out of context or something happens. So I noticed a few occasions where I actually delayed it when the original went away. Is it a channel about programming or programming languages? Programming sounds so old-fashioned, why not coding or prompting? I know when I'm in, I'm not in a persistent state, but when it comes and goes, I can observe my body doing whatever it does. I can observe the words coming out of my mouth, but I'm not the one that's saying the words. It's just coming of its own. It's coming of its own.

[37:11] See, right now I'm thinking. Right now I'm thinking for a word, so it's not coming out of my own. But like when it is, it feels right. It feels like I'm just observing. And it's acquired by being desireless and fearless. Because you have to be sort of fearless to pursue basically not having control of your body or not having control of anything about what you're going to do. And you have to be desireless to not want to do things your own way. Effortless being. There's a lot of like spiritual texts where it's like question and answer. Like Maharashi, Nisargata, these are two that I'm reading right now. And they both have the question and answer. Adi Ashanti has this too. Eckhart Tolle. They do this question and answer. And the questioner is usually not in that state, but the answerer is. And how the answerer responds is how I'm describing in the sense that they're not thinking. They're just responding from that state.

[38:00] And then once you get your questions answered, hopefully you can walk away with that and then realize it in yourself. At least, I mean, that's what I'm observing. The answers are usually breadcrumbs for the questioner. But the questioner needs to do the work themselves. And that's what they can take away from it. It doesn't probably work for the people reading them or the other ones if it's not targeted for the general consumption, the answering method. Ground control to Major Tom. This is Major Tom to ground control. I'm adding Julie now. Hey, Naval, Sejal. What are your thoughts on an AirChat recruitment channel? I have a lot of friends who ping me when they want to hire, and I have some friends who also ping me when they're looking for jobs.

[38:48] So it might be a nice place to play matchmaker. When we resume opening new channels with some moderation, of course, it would make sense to have different kinds of recruiting and dating channels. But, you know, in a way, the best people are hunted. They don't approach you. And they're also, these connections are best made serendipitously and casually rather than formally and awkwardly. LinkedIn always strikes me as very awkward, or at least job searching on LinkedIn, because it's this very stuffy, stilted experience. Just like with a dating site, you're basically putting yourself out there. I think it's much better for people to just naturally be themselves and then for other people in the environment to say, oh, you know that thing? Well, I'm actually looking to work with someone who knows that thing. Or for people to be naturally attracted to each other by viewing a larger facet or more facets of other people's personalities than would otherwise come through on a simple dating profile. Nowadays, Finland is really a lot about the gaming and gaming startups.

[39:36] So the Supercell and Rovio making a path forward and then there's lots of new companies following them. Here's a company you may have not heard about before, Medacore. They are the rising star at the moment and the founder. He was working with Supercell's founder together in the early 2000s. They had their mobile gaming company and Sumaya. Supercell also invested in Metacore. So there's this gaming community which is not just only in Finland but also Sweden and the Nordics which is pretty strong. Petri thank you so much for sharing this is super insightful I'll go check in the links. I have absolutely no talent in voice acting but I have so much fun when I watch voice actors I just think it would be so great if I could be be good in it, good at it. I try but I have absolutely no talent in it. You have the advantage of air chat and an audience who can be your test audience and you will see the responses and you can get better so much faster than any other voice actor in the world. It's not about likes but they seem to be living in the moment. Hey Johnny it was enabled some time ago it might be just a question of finding yourself there with the search. Try the username, try the new name.

[41:12] I found myself. It was not the first choice there, but eventually I found myself from the search box. Yeah, that's correct. I just tried it and it's annoying that it's searching through everybody when I only have permission to DM the people that I follow. So it should not search everybody. It should only search the people that you follow. Tagging Ben Edelstein to fix that. It is also quite cumbersome to find the people to tag. You have to switch You have to go to search, you have to go to different places to do that now. So if the tagging experience totally would be made a little bit more easier so that you can be sure that it's the same person because there's going to be so many people with the same names. Even if you're following a few hundred people, there may be a few Toms and Johns and James and it may get a little bit difficult. So while doing that, maybe that's also something worth checking out. Can anyone invite me to a crypto channel and longevity or biohacking channel? Hey Julie, the channels are at the moment still under heavy development. You have to find the owner of the channel. Only the owner can invite people at the moment. Some of the channels are open ones, but I guess the ones you are requesting to get in are the ones which require to find the owner and ask them. You can tag them in a public chat or DM them if that's enabled.

[42:24] Great, thanks a lot. Thanks a lot, Patrick. I will tag the person who's the owner of the channel later. The more time I spend in crypto, the more time I realize I totally should have launched a shitcoin. At first I thought, well, let me try to do something useful in crypto. But that's hard. Then I thought, well, I could launch a shitcoin, but that would be terrible for my reputation. And I wouldn't want to screw people over or take advantage of anybody, even though it looked like a lot of fun. And now the more people I meet who are into buying random shitcoins and sort of gambling on arbitrary meme coins, I realize I had it totally wrong. These people know what they're doing. They are like, you know, they're intelligent degenerates. They are doctors who smoke. They know what they're buying. They don't care that it's stupid. In fact, the optimal game strategy would have, uh, their optimal strategy would have just been to launch the absolute dumbest coin possible. So all that time wasted thinking of true utility, um, was foolish. I should have said, this is the dumbest thing ever. This will go absolutely nowhere, but Hey, it's kind of fun. Right. And, um, Hey, don't take this seriously at all. But Hey, what do you know? The price is going up. And as long as I had done that, uh, you know, the actual situation is that you have a ton of air cover. It's like, uh, you know, you date somebody who, you know, you date a girl who wants to be in an open relationship. It's amazing. You have a hall pass. And I think the hall pass of business was to launch a shit coin. And I missed it. I totally, totally missed it.

[43:32] Yeah, this is a mistake that good entrepreneurs make when they come into crypto. They think that what people want is something useful, but that's not what people want. What people want is to get rich quickly. And so you just have to give them a substrate to get rich quickly. And that's what does well in crypto. What drug did the devs put in their chat? I can't seem to get off this app. Good night, sweet dreams. I'm not sure what AI or hardware or anything like that adds to Vipassana. meditation is the oldest thing there is. It's literally, it's anyone, anytime, anywhere is capable of it. I don't think it gets enhanced in any possible way by any external influence. I have yet to find a meditation aid that wasn't counterproductive. There used to be a ring called mood metric, which was detecting the changes in your skin's conductivity. And that's the signals coming from your autonomous nervous system.

[44:26] So no willpower does anything for it. And it was really nice to see the results when people are meditating. Once in, I think it was the last startup event, there was even competition in the booth where people could try to meditate and put the number down. And those who were really skillful actually managed to get it down. But the funny thing is that you cannot just tell it to go down. And the physical exercise doesn't affect it either. So it's not like a heart rate monitor. So that type of stress doesn't do anything for the measurement. So that's one tool using the skin's conductivity, which might actually help in your meditation if you want to get better and get some kind of measurement, whether you're actually getting more calm while you're doing it. Voice is a factor. It's not the only factor. Newness is a factor. It's not the only factor. Our moderation systems are a factor. They're not the only factor.

[45:14] One-on-one conversations are a factor. It's not the only factor. There are many factors at play here. Technology and the early community can do only so much. The fact that it cannot fix other people who are not behaving. All right, you got to laugh at me on that one. There's an old Sun Tzu line that goes something like, if you sit by the river long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies float by. And I try not to have enemies. Why give them space in my head? but I will say that when I've seen people doing shady things in my life, if I've waited 10, 15, 20 years, yep, the bodies float by. Why? Not necessarily because there's some sense of karmic justice in the universe. I don't know the answer to that. But people are oddly consistent. So when people cut corners, they make mistakes, they play fast and loose. Eventually, eventually, someone gets tired of them doing that, finds them out, and takes care of them.

[46:03] Question for the AirChat team. Is there a way that I can message myself on this app privately? I feel that this could be a great note-taking tool or personal journal if I could just send direct messages to myself. Please let me know if this is possible. It would be a huge help. Thanks again. Hey, Johnny. It was enabled some time ago. It might be just a question of finding yourself there with the search. Try the username, try the new name. I found myself. It was not the first choice there, but eventually I found myself from the search box. I'm using one right now and my experience so far is that it's basically a bread monitor. It says to me, "Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, stop eating bread. Hey Naval, I know you ate bread. Put it down. Naval, you're thinking about bread. Bread. Naval, you just ate some bread. I can smell it on your breath. Naval, you look like bread. You're made of bread. You're gonna die with a piece of bread in your mouth." And it's a very innovative country, very tech-driven.

[46:58] It has a lot of startups. It has about 10 unicorns, if I'm not mistaken. And it's not bad for a small country of only 1.4 million population. So one of the most known startups are Wise, wise.com. Pipedrive, it's a CRM. Bolt, for example, it's a car hailing and food delivery service. It's mostly known in European countries, also in African countries and some former Soviet Union countries. But it's a huge company. And, yeah, I'm attaching that video of a delivery bot. roaming around the city delivering food like pizza etc never seen anything like this before yeah i wish i saw uh some selfless self-driveless and self-driving cars in uh estonia but that's not happening yet some years back i did an interview with the ex-prime minister he was the youngest at least estonian prime minister maybe the european prime minister and was also a delivery robot company starship enterprises and the co-founder of skype mahti like my last episode.

[47:55] So if you want to get a little bit of Estonian flavor, then I have also one of the, I think she was the highest paid Estonian supermodel. And she's also a startup founder and accomplished later on in that field as well. So there are some Estonian content in my podcast, if you're interested. Sorry to plug. Hi, Airchat. What has been the most impactful advice someone has given you regarding life, relationships, love, career, anything. I promise I'm not trying to be clever, but the best advice I ever received was never give advice. And the reason for this is because everyone is error prone and everyone should be allowed to explore their lives without having someone to blame. At least this is my interpretation of why one shouldn't give advice and perhaps one shouldn't take advice. Again, the reason being, in my mind is because if you take advice and it goes wrong, you've got someone else to blame.

[48:56] And if you give advice and things go wrong, then perhaps you're at fault. All of this comes from David Deutsch who never gives advice. Now, he didn't say why he never gives advice, but this is my interpretation of why. So the best advice I ever received was never give advice and possibly never take advice either. It's fine to listen to people. It's good to discuss with people. It's good to understand your problem situation and to look at the solutions before you. But as to advice, don't give it. Avoid taking it. I feel like our aunties and grandmas would really like this app. Older people are lonely and they love to talk. Send an invite to your grandma. I must say, I'm enjoying the feed today. For some reason, it's delicious. filled with cool people talking about cool things.

[49:47] Yeah, hopefully they get a web app together. That would be useful for me too. The day so far has been pretty good, just getting back into work. Research today mainly, working on some new research projects around digital authenticity and blockchain, and also some work around deepfakes too. So far so good. How are things on your end? You can access some of the content by consuming it from the web. The links are obviously open, and you can listen to them, I doubt that they will make a fully PWA, Broadcasting Web Application, which works on the web because they already have an Android and iPhone apps, and those are native apps. It would be cool if instead of BIOS, you just had like a pinned yap, or like your bio was a yap. I don't know. I think that'd be neat.

[50:38] Yeah, if you're in Europe, you need to wake up really early and sleep very little because now starts the peak time. Talk like nobody is listening. Happy Monday, AirChat. What a doozy of a weekend that was. Man, didn't feel like a break at all, but we're gonna head into Monday with a smile on our face and our mug. This will be my singing thread from now on. Highlighted on my profile. The intention of using AirChat versus voicemail differ, and that changes the perception of the message as well. I swear if someone tries to contact me about my extended warranty on here, I'm leaving. Is this a bad time? I noticed that your SoundCloud account might need an extended warranty. Why is AirChat good but voicemail bad?

[51:30] Because you can read it first and then you can tap it to hear the tone of voice only if you want to. The intention of using AirChat versus voicemail differ, and that changes the perception of the message as well. Taking a poll here, does language limit imagination or does it enhance it? If you speak different languages, you realize that some of the languages are better at expressing some ideas than others. So it's a neutral tool, but it might actually give you different creative ideas and that may help in the process. We are in Osaka. The toddler just rejected six different complicated meals and then scarfed down like 300 grams of Wagyu beef. No genetic testing needed ever.

[52:21] Here's a feature I like. I'm at the doctor's office listening to air chat, obviously. And I got interrupted, so I pressed pause. I expected to have to listen to the whole post again. No, it saved my spot. Whoever made that, you're my favorite AirChat team member today. You are awesome. Please don't roast me for saying chai tea. No worries, it doesn't count as a roast. And good morning, Jess. Some chits are older than others. What's talk without thought? AirChat is an audiobook of great minds. this app reminds me of when i lived in the center of rome and from my apartment you could hear all the tourists walking by and little snippets of the conversation you heard about two sentences of the conversation and then never anymore and then you construct stories of it feels like that when you're struggling slowing through the pages on this um i'm not sure if that's a good thing though welcome to a chat you can certainly have a lot of discussions here as well here's an example by Colby, talking about NOSTA.

[53:23] And I would say that that's the best part of AIChat, having conversations which are concise and you can just skip all the downtime and just get the best parts. But some of these happen synch, some happen async and I think the best is just enjoy the ride and the team is really responsive for feedback and there's a lot of new builds coming. Maybe sometimes more than two times a day. Well, that's a funny video. I remember when we had Twitter first started like that. And when you do the unfollow like Jack did in that video, it would actually send you an alert saying, Jack is no longer your friend. So sometimes software gets better. One of the things that everybody said when we first started Twitter was that it was really, really stupid. And people kept saying it was stupid forever, but people kept using it.

[54:12] So it matters less whether or not people think your thing is stupid, more whether or not they keep coming back and keep using it. Wasn't that the same what Jack was saying with Facebook when they had a, probably maybe it was the first huge change in the UI and maybe some of the feed logic as well. People were complaining and there was a huge outrage, but he was just checking the logs and people just kept on coming back and using the feed. So he was like, it doesn't matter. Let's stick what we have. Oh, that's a funny video. I remember when we had Twitter first started like that. And when you do the unfollow like Jack did in that video, it would actually send you an alert saying, Jack is no longer your friend. So sometimes software gets better. One of the things that everybody said when we first started Twitter was that it was really, really stupid. And people kept saying it was stupid forever, but people kept using it.

[55:03] So it matters less whether or not people think your thing is stupid, more whether or not they keep coming back and keep using it. Okay, I did what Naval said. I nuked my follows, and then I followed back some people, and now it's just absolutely dead in here. What am I supposed to do? Go back to Twitter? Sorry, X, formerly known as Twitter? I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. The spam mode seems to be working though. Why can I type here because I'm so good at typing? Why I have to talk? It's the same as going to a skating ring and saying that, hey, I don't know how to skate, I'm so good at skiing. Why cannot I use my skis in the skating ring? Air chat makes the clarity of verbal thought become immortalized so that you can appreciate what somebody said instead of letting it just fly away.

[55:56] Does that hold you back of saying the bangers are in real life because you want to immortalize them on your chat? Does anyone else replay their chats after they record them? I don't do it for all of them, but a lot of times I'm curious how I come across them. I'm learning a lot. I really am learning a lot about myself. Some pleasant, some not so pleasant. But it's kind of fun. I don't, because I'm speaking to them, so I more or less know how it sounds, unless there's some technical issues. you might be funny on twitter but are you funny on air chat your life one person loves i posted one of my experiments like this but i do something like this almost every day and have a good idea what specific food and or what compound in a food has an effect on my resting heart rate or hrv and basically when i avoid those i get good stats if i'm eating normally I get shit stats like everyone else.

[56:56] Well, that sounds like a regular day here. You just end up to sleep, eat properly, and then you go outside where it's snowing at the moment. I'm loving AirChat's current stance on monetization, of just having it be like a small fee per user eventually, just keep the lights on. I'm hoping we get to a world where we can look at different types of values that are being created. Like how can we actually see the value of connecting people and making them understand each other through these kinds of discussions? Not everything needs to be sort of slammed with a euro value. Nostra is experimenting with that because everything is decentralized and somebody needs to pay the hosting and CPU and other bills. So the people who care enough will pay, and even little will be enough if the ecosystem is together, so the value chain, each and every step in the chain, will get the money they need, but it's hard to integrate it and the temptation to go for the centralized service, will use advertising or some other. Maybe dark patterns to monetize it tends to win.

[57:57] It's an invite-only channel. Okay, we will be patient. We'll wait for the tools. Thank you. When you put in design and search for topics, only fashion comes out. It's an invite-only channel. Thoughtfulness of writing, but the tone of speaking. I like that. if you don't see the content you would like to see here start talking super interesting i agree that's going to be a lot better for users um so i wonder then how you productize the lack of analytics or that priority when you start commercializing the app and having a sales team or selling yeah what kind of ad products would you sell on this app i could care less about monetization we'll run this thing on shoestring if we have to i was always really impressed and maybe this story is apocryphal but i was always really impressed with the idea that whatsapp was was sustaining itself just by charging premium users a dollar a month or something like that for some minimal additional feature set. And hey, what's wrong with that? I don't need a team of 3,000 people. You know, that kind of stuff is totally unnecessary in this age of infinite leverage. So we don't have to do anything weird for monetization. And God forbid I ever have to manage a sales team. These words will probably come back to haunt me, but I can't imagine anything less fun than managing a sales team. AirChat makes it much easier to bi-directionally talk to large numbers of people than it has been before. That feels new. Imagine getting bitten by a snake.

[59:19] and instead of helping yourself recover from the poison, you chased the snake and tried to find out why. You tried to prove the snake that you didn't deserve to get bitten. This has nothing to do with snakes. So I just came back from a night walk and the moon was shining so beautifully over the ocean. I'm afraid my camera may not have captured it as well as I would have wanted it to, But I thought, this has to be shared with the people. So here it is. Thank you for the 100 followers. It's been really crazy to use this app and listen to all of your voices. Some of you I know from Twitter. It's pretty wild. It took me probably a year, maybe two years, to get to 100 followers on Twitter. And it's just been a couple days here.

[1:00:09] So I appreciate everyone following. I hope you don't regret it. For those of you who haven't updated recently, the iOS version should now be 3.08 in the App Store as of about six hours ago. And it's got a lot of bug fixes and some little new features, including dynamic font sizing. So you can increase the font size in the app, although that's not quite perfect. Later builds will make it better, but at least you can get started on that. So you don't have to peep at small fonts anymore. That's one big one. Another one is that it'll now actually remember your last playback in the previous or nearby posts so that if you're scrolling up and down a little too quickly, you'll be able to just resume where you left off. And if you're sharing to X, the artist formerly known as Twitter, and you share from inside the share sheet, it should copy not just the link, but also paste the transcript of the post in there. So enjoy and happy hunting. Excellent.

[1:00:56] I think I was even using it in this morning without realizing while I was looking for screen names and people to tag and using the search and all that I think required exactly that feature. Yo, who wants to come to the next Explore v2 launch party? For those of you who haven't updated recently, the iOS version should now be 3.08 in the app store as of about six hours ago. And it's got a lot of bug fixes and some little new features, including dynamic font sizing. So you can increase the font size in the app, although that's not quite perfect. Later builds will make it better, but at least you can get started on that. So you don't have to peep at small fonts anymore. That's one big one. Another one is that it'll now actually remember your last playback in the previous or nearby posts so that if you're scrolling up and down a little too quickly, you'll be able to just resume where you left off. And if you're sharing to X, the artist formerly known as Twitter, and you share from inside the share sheet, it should copy not just the link, but also paste the transcript of the post in there. So enjoy and happy hunting.

[1:01:53] All right, saying goodnight crew. Can anyone else please either send me a DM or tag people here that still need to be added? I am sending manual DMs to folks and there are several I sent out already that haven't been accepted. They just need to click on the link in the DM, just like you guys did. If anyone from the original air chat and you know who you are wants to get into this group, send a DM to Nirasa directly and you have to follow him because he cannot send you an invite and only he can send an invite if you're not following him. So if you want to get in here, just follow him and drop a DM and ask an invite. That should do it. I think the simplest protocol, as Patrick said, is simply to follow me, DM me, I'll send you the link and you can unfollow me afterwards after you join the group. We're just looking for a way to restrict follow spamming where people follow a lot of people in exchange for hoping they'll get followed back. It definitely does not apply to you. As for rooms and channels, it's not a feature we set out to build. It just sort of got demanded when we launched the app, but the reality is it doesn't scale. So we're still building. We're still trying to figure out what to do there. And honestly, I don't think you're missing much. The way to discover people in this app is just look at the people you follow, see who they're talking to, see if you like those people and follow them. Your feed gets backfilled automatically until you follow enough people for it to fill logically based on who you do follow and who they're talking to. So please give us a chance, keep exploring, and find people that you want to engage with.

[1:03:11] People are looking for a magic algorithm to be introduced to just the right person at the right time at the right moment, and obviously we don't build as much as we can, but it sort of doesn't exist. It is up to you to do the work to mingle around, meet people, talk to people, and find people, just like you would at a real party. I think Petri is from Finland. Correct me if I'm wrong, Petri. As for Estonia versus Bali, Estonia is a beautiful country. It's actually a hidden gem. How many people know about it? How many people move in there? Mostly because they don't like the cold weather and it can get a little kind of too harsh in the winters but actually after living seven years in a constant heat tropical climate our kids were missing snow and skiing and all that and we actually missed that too and I find colder places colder climates more favorable for studying and learning and just focusing on something without you know extra distraction so it's a very chill place I never felt myself as peaceful as in Estonia and it's also one of the safest places I used when I was growing up all the kids were going to school on their own just walking to the school and now it's just not the case anymore and you don't see it in many countries right but in Estonia it's still the thing like kids just you know go to the bus station hop on a bus or tram station hop on a tram and go to school and come back and I'm talking about kids like seven eight nine years old and it's totally safe and no one worries about letting their kids go on their own so it's a very advanced country one of the most digitalized countries very effective government not many people not very crowded no traffic jams everything is compact everything is close by and the price to quality of life ratio I think is unmatched so it's one of the best countries in Europe like very high quality of life maybe even better than in most countries like in Western Europe and yet the cost of living is very very affordable it's not like in Bali but it's like much cheaper than in France and Germany by a factor of three I would say yeah Bali is great when the kids are small a little they don't need to dress you know layers and layers to go outside in the cold and they can go and just you know they can go around half naked swim in the pool and go a bit by the beach but it only goes so far.

[1:05:02] It's not a place for a permanent residency anymore for us. My kids are now almost nine, so once they turn seven, we decided that they need something else for going to school and seeing different kind of infrastructure. Sounds good. Just being when you're here. Wow, this is super interesting. I would really like to know, what is the app that basically replaced TikTok in India? If it's the same type of app, just short videos, or if it has other types of features, I'm actually super interested in the answer that Aditya might provide. So Instagram Reels is something that's taken off in India post the TikTok ban. And it's super interesting as to how they've built the recommendation engine that fast. And I'm talking about when TikTok was banned in India. And after that, I think YouTube Shorts are doing really, really well.

[1:05:52] I would say it's not easy to build the kind of recommendation engines that these guys have built or TikTok has built. I have immense respect for the TikTok tech team. It's crazy. But yeah, to answer your question, it's Instagram Reels and YouTube Shorts. Oh, yeah. I think Petri is in Estonia as well. How do you find Estonia? I know Bali. People love Bali for the weather as well as the affordability of the lifestyle. So that must be nice. But how do you find Estonia versus Bali? I think Petri is from Finland. Correct me if I'm wrong, Petri. As for Estonia versus Bali, Estonia is a beautiful country. It's actually a hidden gem. Not many people know about it. Not many people move in there, mostly because they don't like the cold weather. It can get a little kind of too harsh in the winters. But actually, after living seven years in a constant heat, tropical climate, our kids were missing snow and skiing and all that.

[1:06:44] And we actually miss that, too. And I find colder places, colder climates more favorable for studying and learning and just focusing on something without extra distraction. So it's a very chill place. I never felt myself as peaceful as in Estonia. And it's also one of the safest places. When I was growing up, all the kids were going to school on their own, just walking to the school. And now it's just not the case anymore. And you don't see it in many countries, right? But in Estonia, it's still the thing. Kids just go to a bus station, hop on a bus or a tram station, hop on a tram, and go to school and come back. And I'm talking about kids like 7, 8, 9 years old. And it's totally safe. And no one worries about letting their kids go on their own. So it's a very advanced country, one of the most digitalized countries, very effective government, not many people, not very crowded, no traffic jams, everything is compact, everything is close by, and the price to quality of life ratio, I think, is unmatched. So it's one of the best countries in Europe, like very high quality of life, maybe even better than in most countries, like in Western Europe, and yet the cost of living is very, very affordable.

[1:07:42] It's not like in Bali, but it's like much cheaper than in France and Germany by a factor of three, I would say. Yeah, Bali is great when the kids are small, little, they don't need to dress, you know, layers and layers to go outside in the cold. They can go and just, you know, they can go around half naked, swim in the pool and go by the beach. But it only goes so far, you know, it's not a place for a permanent residency anymore for us. My kids are now like almost nine. So once they turn seven, we decided that they need something else for going to school and seeing different kind of infrastructure. That's what I'm thinking too, have a mass unfollow for people who haven't said anything on the app. If they haven't said anything, then they're just the number in your following account. So do they really matter? Yeah, maybe you can purge them, but are they really the issue? I think the issue is more like the people who are yapping, and you don't find them aligning what you want to see in here.

[1:08:34] You're a phenomenal writer. You can open a sub stack then. Yeah, obviously it was a joke, but you could maybe make a collection of your weekly or daily thoughts and voice. shits and packets them to some kind of packets and put them out to people who want to consume them at once. Yeah, you could call it a podcast, though. Maybe you can send them some by some other means. That's good. I like your joke. Air chat feels like you're interacting with a person, not the internet. But I'm keyboard clever and voice shy. What do I do? You keep on talking and you get better. So the US House of Representatives just passed a bill to completely ban TikTok in the US. My question is, where will all the attention that is garnered by TikTok go? Is this an opportunity for AirChat to become massively adopted by the US population or not?

[1:09:28] Is the team in AirChat doing something about this? Are they promoting it at a bigger scale to attract some of the attention that will be gone from that app and will have to be redirected elsewhere? What are your thoughts? Wow, big news. We have Aditya Kothari on this app, and he's one of the founders of Changari, which actually is one of the platforms that replaced TikTok in India after it got banned there. So, Aditya, do you have any thoughts? I'd love to learn more about how it went down in India and what the aftermath was. Life is about shattering your illusions. Life is an illusion, my friend. So you're getting better at this. I'm really curious to know if they have a plan for when 4chan finds air chat and 10,000 users show up and start just like vitriolically hating on people. Like, is there a plan for that? Or are we just going to collapse under the weight of it? Kind of like all the other apps did.

[1:10:25] There's a lot of antiviral mechanics built into this app. So if somebody comments on your shit and you don't follow them, then nobody will be able to see that response at all. Unless you interact with them or follow them back, your followers will never see that. It's an emergent property, the decisions. We are on a macro level, so it's not happening. We are not making it to happen. Because on that electron level, that tiniest level where the prancing happens, there probably happens already something. So yes, when you have made the decision, you find out that you already are in that split multiverse. So in that way, yes, it happens, but it doesn't happen because you make a decision or not. Yeah, but I only learn by asking the stupid questions. This just bumped into my feed. The article itself is so and so, but maybe some of the comments are worth checking out. Life is about shattering your illusions.

[1:11:18] Yes, you said it right. Discovering ourselves is the ultimate purpose. But let's see when we'll get there. But all we can do is ensure to reinvent ourselves with time and also to learn from hardships we face in our lives. So shattering our illusions is going to be a long, long journey. So all the best to all of us. Okay, so what happens once you get the entire world on AirChat and everybody is right there in your pocket that you would ever need to talk to? Then what? Hey Naval, I'm already seeing that you're having a little bit of trouble with the content moderation. So I wanted to give you some advice as a founder who had a platform with 1.5 million users on how to best deal with content moderation. Now, number one, do not ever suspend an entire account.

[1:12:10] This is the biggest issue because employees, you know, often they get offended and then they just suspend entire accounts. And then these people no longer have access to the app and then they delete the app and stop using it altogether. So the best thing to do there is not to suspend an entire account, but to suspend features. So if someone abuses the DM feature, you suspend the DM feature. If someone abuses the posting feature, then you suspend the posting feature, right? So they can still read, other people still use the app, but they can't post or they can't send DMs if they abused it. Second, these suspensions should be temporary. So when you suspend someone's posting, it best should be temporary, like seven days or 30 days, and it should go on like that. Because otherwise, you could have an employee in your company who is really offended by something someone said. And so even if, let's say, the suspension is permanent and they appeal the suspension, the employee will always deny the appeal request and keep you banned, right?

[1:13:03] So this is a problem because, unfortunately, employees, and I've experienced this myself, they like to abuse their power. And as a founder, you probably know that this is a very dangerous thing because this could end up letting your users go away. So it's important that you really focus on, you know, having these suspensions be temporary for the different features. And the only way you should ever suspend someone permanently is if they're clearly attacking the platform, right? If they're doing a DDoS attack, if they're trying to crash your website, in that case, yes. In that case, yes, you can permanently suspend the features that they're abusing or their entire accounts. But in general, you know, if someone is being a little bit, you know, saying a slow word, then they shouldn't really be permanently banned. That's my opinion, my experience as a founder, what I can tell you. I hope you take these words and, you know, adjust some of the things in your company.

[1:13:54] I wish you very much success with the social media. What's the probability this dude is just Mark Zuckerberg? This is the official AirChat no words allowed thread. It's at Karaoke Games. Wipe out or stay out. Okay, let's all join in. Getting close. Okay, let's all join in. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you laugh. Just be real. It's all in there. All your creativity, all your craziness, all your wild stuff. Just waiting to be giggled out. Be you. Some of you got a little enthusiastic when a lot of new users joined the app and tried to follow everybody.

[1:14:59] And as a result, your follow-up feeds are pretty corrupted or overwhelming. And at the same time, it generates spam for the people that you follow because they get these items in their activity feed and sometimes even push notifications. So we are going to limit following on this app. If you're following more than 1,000 users on this app, your feed is going to be a disaster. So what we're doing now is we're instituting a follow limit. If you're following more than 1,000 people, you'll have to drop below 1,000 people to follow anyone new. The number of people that are following you, that is unaffected. There's no limit on that. So if you would like your following reset, in other words, if you would like to remove all your followers and start over, go ahead and reply to this thread and tag Veer alongside, and we will make sure that happens. But in general, you should just reduce the number of people you're following down to less than 1,000, and then you'll be able to follow new people again.

[1:15:46] Thanks for your understanding as we figure this out together. this is the official air chat no words allowed thread all right so here's an analogy that hit me yesterday about the way air chat's currently set up and it's from an older version of me in years past that used to be out and about and running around to nightclubs. The main feed is like the dance floor. We're all bumping into each other. There's introductions being made. It's lots of socializing on lots of different things with lots of people. And if you want to break out, you head upstairs to the balcony with a small group where you're off the dance floor and having your own conversations in smaller groups. And the private channels are like those private reserve tables in primo locations that you have to be invited into. And when you really want to break out into a one-on-one conversation, you head off in the corner into a little couch for your private DMs. There you have it, team.

[1:16:54] A trade event or any kind of event could also be another analog. So you're walking the main halls and just hearing people talking. And sometimes you may stop for a while and keep on talking. And then you can do the going to more private conversations or rooms or different side venues or events, and then the day starts again. 10,000 iterations. It's been said that Tesla was really good at building models and the devices he was manufacturing in his mind so that he could even do the test runs, and when he was ready he just made it and it worked. So I guess there are different levels of iterations, but usually it's good to test with the real people, with the real market, even though you can have a perfect mental model, but people are unpredictable, moody, and things are not always going your way.

[1:17:45] Yes, auto tag would be better than public channels if we can get it to work. There's a lot of debate internally about tags versus channels. Some people believe that channels are just simple to understand, give people a sense of identity and belonging. They're more than just tags, while other people believe that they're just tags underneath and it's masquerading as a channel, which is overly complicated for no great reason. In terms of auto tagging, yeah, we're trying that out. It's just a lot harder to build than it looks from afar. Having LLM AI run through every message and do tagging is more intensive, less accurate, more expensive, less scalable than just real transcription. So not as easy as it sounds. If you only do tagging and some chits are like threads and they are tagged, so they are like groups in that sense or discussions, I cannot help but start to think about back to the early days of Internet with Yahoo and the manually created categories of interesting topics. and threads and webpages. So that's probably what's going to happen anyway. So the discussion, so-called groups are then back in that format, because if you're joining the app and you don't follow too many people, you don't really get an exposure to those interesting tact conversations.

[1:18:51] Yeah, maybe you need to categorize them, but I do like the idea of not having these public discussion groups, because it's another layer on layer, and it's more natural as a talk, and then you don't have these artificial boundaries of who get invited and who's not. And it's also part of the social craft of discovering new people. So it's more natural and native to the platform. Good morning, AirChat. We're getting to the existential questions early in the morning. I met my wife on AirChat. That's really helpful, Ross. It helps me think through some of the issues we're having between public channels, private channels, and the main feed. And now that I think about it, the public channels are really more like topics or tags. They're kind of unmoderated free-for-alls, which degenerates you to a lot of people, but they're good icebreakers. So they're public spaces.

[1:19:40] They're foyers. They're entryways where you can enter the event. And then as you kind of get to know that there's a gathering going on some specific topic and you're invited into a more closed space, that's like our fishbowl private channels where you have to be invited in, but it's still public in the sense that people can see what you're talking about or hear what you're talking about. But now you're sort of instantly connected to a bunch of people through some common affinity. And then finally, there is your feed, which is the friends that you form. And then you kind of go off into your own, not necessarily private space, but into your corner where you're talking with your friends that you've made and people that you want to invest more time into. So this is a helpful gradient. I like it. Thank you. Channels are also part of the social craft discovery because of the web of trust model here. And if your current following is not picking up new interesting people or your interests in certain areas are not exactly matching with your following, Discussions are a really good way to discover new people.

[1:20:30] And now that HR is open, there's a lot of interesting people joining, but you just haven't met them yet. I'm here with my junior partner and accomplice in the pursuit of Slicky Guy, William Wise Parsa. No, it's William Parsa. He doesn't like his middle name. He's trying to remove it. I'm trying to impose it upon him. No, no, just don't listen to Bob about the Wise. Well, can I just tell him who Wise was? Stop. Why? Stop. Really? why it bothers you? Come on. Anyway, Wise was his imaginary friend. Stop! Stop! Just delete that, please! Alright, alright, just delete it. Hey, everyone. Chris Voss here from the Chris Voss Show Podcast. Hey, I posted in books a recent interview that we did with Yaroslav Tromomov. He is a Wall Street journalist who wrote the book Our Enemies Will Vanish, The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence.

[1:21:22] I highly recommend you guys check it out if you like studying war, if you're trying to understand war, if you're looking at what's going on right now in the Ukraine-Russian theater. It's a very insightful book about the mentality behind the Ukrainians that goes back centuries, and same with the Russians as well. and how they look at the Ukrainian war and their outlook. And it's alarming, it's shocking, it's eye-opening. It will make you really understand how important it is we fund the war in Ukraine so that we don't send bodies, American bodies, to that war effort when NATO becomes compromised. And it's just really an eye-opening book by a brilliant author who's covered a lot of wars, but this war is very personal for him because he grew up in Ukraine. So it's very different, and his outlook is very different because he can talk about the inside of the people. So if you want to talk about war, it's a great book to read. I highly recommend it. You can see all the great authors we have on the Chris Voss Show, from romance novels to politics to everything on the show we do.

[1:22:13] You can subscribe to the podcast at chrisvoss.show. Thank you very much. Chris, thank you very much for the review. I just bought the book. I suspect quite a few members of World Channel just done the same. And back in all their chat last year, when it was a small private group, we had quite a few discussions in Ukraine room. And if I had to summarize it in a very short phrase, that summary was: if people think they have problems now with Ukraine funding, think about what problems they will have when 20 million Ukrainian military-aged males that are still in the country will be under Putin's rule and will be forced conscripted into Putin's armies and be deployed against actual NATO members. So what is happening today is preventing exactly that outcome as long as Ukraine keeps fighting. and by that i just mean like the original poster doesn't have to respond but anybody else could respond to a response yeah we have a solution in mind but it's going to take us a little bit to implement but you know what in the short term you can find a fishbowl conversation that you want to talk about you can grab the link to it and you can paste it in your own chit and then you and other people in your timeline can discuss it so that's already a way of kind of grabbing content and bring it out of a fishbowl. It doesn't have to be at the level of eyesight. The proper place for the light to land is to wash the wall with sconces or bouncing from the ceiling at angles or coming in from skylights or windows at slightly above head height. There's a book that I'm going to recommend and I can't recommend it highly enough. It's probably one of the top 20 books of all time and it's the one book in architecture that you absolutely need to own. In fact, it's the only book in architecture that you absolutely need to own. It's called A Pattern Language by Christopher Alexander. And in there, you'll find everything you need to know from how to build your house, to how to build a town, to build a village, to decorate your bedroom, to position your dresser.

[1:24:02] It's all in there. A Pattern Language was a book that came to me via Pete Kaminsky when we were starting Social Text. That book not only inspired a lot of social software and is a great resource for designing social spaces like this one, but it was also the basis of Ward Cunningham's original wiki. It was a community of people sharing patterns. My favorite is the intimacy gradient, again, from Pete. When you design buildings in the outside and in the foyer and in the lobby, you have very public spaces, public conversations. And then you get past the reception, you might get into the employee lunchroom or step aside into a conference room, again, when you're meeting people both publicly and privately. And then it gradiates to more and more private spaces all the way up to the executive washroom in the sky. And if you think about spaces, designing spaces like that, you have it here. So channels that you can view, uh, and be, but you have not joined yet. That's a lot like the pattern of a front porch where you can see and you can observe, but you have to be invited into that social space. Anyway, it's a great resource.

[1:25:01] Everyone should at least thumb through it. Do any of the Fallout fans recognize this vault number? This is my license plate in my car. Um, it's not a vault that you can explore any of the games and it's, it would be really funny if they incorporate it into the show, but they probably won't. because it's pretty twisted. But just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if anybody knows what Vault 77 is without looking it up. It's an interesting one. Hey everyone, if you have a US or EU number, you no longer need an invite to sign up for AirChat. Please spread the word. Hi everybody, this is Brian Johnson. I'm sitting here with Naval, and I'm pretty excited about this new application he's built. It solves the problem of having real interesting conversations and not dealing with a bunch of noise and spam. Yes and no. The push, hold, talk, release does force you to be compact, but we've had a user who actually went as long as an hour, and now we have capped it at five minutes for brevity's sake. But the text out nature of this app makes it very easy to flip past replies that are too long and to consume easily.

[1:25:58] This is the first popular AI first Twitter, just like Farcaster is crypto first Twitter. It's pretty interesting to see this. A couple years ago, I broke my neck surfing and passed out in the water. I would say that's probably the closest I've gotten at this point. Ouch. The beauty of Noster versus Farcaster is that in Noster, if you want to make a Noster app, you've just got to go pull up the list of nips. Each nip is a feature, and if you want that feature to be supported by your client, you've got to make sure that the JSON structure for that feature is supported by your client. There are development kits that you can follow for implementing these nips. But if you try to make a Farcaster app, if you try to make a competitor to Warpcast, you literally would have to dissect how they do every single thing in Warpcast so that you make sure that your client is compatible with theirs. Because if your client isn't, then all of the people using Warpcast won't be able to use your client seamlessly and the users might not be able to talk to each other or see all of each other's posts.

[1:26:58] So in this way, Nostra has modularized their features by using the simplicity of JSON, which is human readable, and made each feature, just like in Bitcoin, how each new feature edition is a bit. This is a real Bology, I'm here on air chat, maybe Novel can reply to confirm it's me. Welcome to the new air chat, happy to see you here. This is a real Bology, I'm here on air chat, maybe Novel can reply to confirm it's me. Hello and welcome the original OG air chat people. I just wanted to test whether I can post here because some people were having a little bit of a trouble and I can happily delete this if somebody else wants to make the official announcement first. I built one room in a house that gets light from 13 distinct angles. Not 13 windows, a lot more than 13 windows and skylights, but 13 distinct angles into one room. What does that mean? That means no matter what time of day it is, if the sun is out, you can find a warm and cozy and sunlit spot in that room to curl up in. That is heaven.

[1:27:56] I'm walking my dog now and I just realized something. So I live in Colombia and in here it's custom that if you're walking down the street and someone walks by you you both say hi to each other but hola is not the right word to use in that context because hola implies like either you know the person already kind of at least you've talked to them once or it just comes across as very informal especially if you're saying hi to an older person so the quote unquote right words to use are either you say buenos dias, buenas tardes, buenas noches, depending on the time of the day, or you just say buenas, which is short for any of those. And something I've noticed recently is that people don't really like that's a thing. They have to say hi to random strangers on the street. But so something they've been doing is that instead of saying the whole word like buenas they just make this sound like so the other person hears that there was like an ending sound to that word but they really didn't say the word it's just weird this made me laugh has anyone else tried a whisper flow for a mac os it's a new voice transcription app that is really nice. I got access yesterday, and I must say it stands out from the rest of them.

[1:29:22] Check it out. But it's a free app, so you can easily check it out. And one awesome thing about the Whisper Flow app is that it's reformatting your text after you're done speaking. So if it detects that you're making a list, then it will create a list for you in a markdown format. And the same is true for other things as well. So I'm so excited right now. I just heard back from the Mises Institute about their Mises University 2024, and they selected me, which is incredible. It's a seven-day experience in Auburn, Alabama, and I get to hear from the Contemporary Masters in Austrian Economics, browse through Murray Rothbard's library, make new Liberty friends. It's going to be the best week of my life, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm so excited. This is the only university I need.

[1:30:12] Congratulations. Amazing news. So I'm so excited right now. I just heard back from the Mises Institute about their Mises University 2024, and they selected me, which is incredible. It's a seven-day experience in Auburn, Alabama, and I get to hear from the Contemporary Masters in Austrian Economics, browse through Murray Rothbard's library, make new Liberty friends. It's going to be the best week of my life, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm so excited. This is the only university I need. Hey guys, any Python lovers here? I know it's a scripting language for many of you, but it's very easy for this syntax, and you can achieve decent things, even if it's not asynchronous. I know Zips loves Python, so I'm not sure whether he's a member, but I will tag him. It was incredibly difficult to implement, and it was probably the number one source of problems in the last app, so we're a little traumatized by it. May go back to it. Let's see.

[1:31:07] The thing I wish would make it easier would be that the search could be somehow narrowed down, for example with times or with the users. So I would, for example, check my chits and search with some keywords, because now it's really painful to find some stuff. Are you staying at 160 because you're worried about Dunbar's number? Nah, just do what you want. Have you noticed that there's a slowdown on posts in the end of the week, and particularly in the last 24 hours? I haven't seen much content at all. and the depth of the feed goes really many hours back, meaning that there really isn't too many posts. I'm following close to 1K people and those who were active still earlier in the week are not active at all. So there's probably a lot of things. But what I also have noticed that when it's not peak time in the west coast of the US, there isn't that much content anyway.

[1:31:58] So following quite many people is not a bad idea because your feed is completely empty otherwise. Oh Keith, you're gonna be hurting soon. Some time ago Max wanted to have Ukraine channel, but I'm not sure whether he still wants it. Good morning, I see Petri here. I'm gonna invite Sean. I'm not a vegan, I'm a regular vegetarian, but I promise to keep my eggs and cheese out of this channel. This will be exciting. Looking forward to all your recipes. Oops, that was wrong group.

[1:32:58] Hello, thanks a lot man. I just tagged my friend, Mr. Baguette. And for the startup stuff, if you've got any plan of doing one, it will be super nice. And one more question. Are you planning in any way to allow companies to have their private channel? The more I use AirChat, the more I'm thinking, fuck, I'd like to have my own channel with my team. Like, you know, a kind of discord with voice. It will be super cool. I'm willing to pay. It can be a great way to monetize actually. provide private channel for teams. It would be nice. And even more if you can translate everything from one language to another, you can have an international team and make it easy. Yep, I just made it. And for your second question, my answer is just wait. The team is cooking. Just be patient and you will get something great. Just need a bit more time. If I have done my following right, I probably don't even need to follow you that much because the people I'm following are interacting with you.

[1:34:01] And so in that way, you will pump up in my feed anyways. Not saying that I will not follow you, but I think isn't that the part of that. If there's like overlap between some people, you don't necessarily need to follow everyone because they will pump up to the feed. You will miss something, but you will not completely be gone. *cough* Kate. Hey, Archad support, do you think it's possible to create a French channel, please? C'est bon, le groupe a été créé. You mean who's following me or who I'm following? I want to nuke who I'm following and start over, that's for sure. Who's following me? Well, a lot of people were forced to autofollow me, which sucks. But there are people who genuinely want to follow me too. And I don't want them to suddenly be like, hey, Naval disappeared off the app, so I'm not sure what to do about the latter unless we have some kind of log of who was forced to autofollow. But even then, when they were forced to autofollow, some of those people wanted to. So how do we disambiguate? If I have done my following right, I probably don't even need to follow you that much because the people I'm following are interacting with you.

[1:34:55] And so in that way, you will pump up in my feed anyways. Not saying that I will not follow you, but I think isn't that the part of that. If there's like overlap between some people, you don't necessarily need to follow everyone because they will pump up to the feed. You will miss something, but you will not completely be gone. I'm almost tempted to think there should be actual functionality deep in the setting somewhere. Like a spring cleaning of some kind. Nuke your photograph and only add the people you remember. I don't know. Naval, what do you think? Should this be an actual button? But on the other hand, you can also argue that they're invisible there, so no harm done. Maybe they pop up, maybe they're there and they're traveling or doing something else and then they come back. So in some sense, if they're not active, it doesn't really matter for you if they are just an unboundalist. Hey guys, welcome to your chat winery. This channel being created for people who would like to discuss the wine, share their thoughts, philosophy, their taste, you know, so can't wait to discover something new from you all. Будемо! Cheers! Post! Исайката! Лехаем! Салют! Саха!

[1:36:04] Welcome. Let's go. AdChat and its founders and developers for letting me reconnect again with friends and people around the world who meant a lot to me back then when we were in Clubhouse. And we just connected again over here and we started talking in voicemails on WhatsApp as well and here as well. It is like back in the days. Of course, Clubhouse has laid the ground for a lot of friendships and relationships and workshops. So, AdChat, thank you for giving us that feeling back again, where we can appreciate those connections and reconnect with them again. I was talking to a guy in a cafe yesterday, and within 30 minutes, he bought The Beginning of Infinity. You don't need channels, you can just start talking and keep on adding, even after days, and this can become your channel. Here's an example Follow by Tom.

[1:37:57] compass with your language is some regularity of the universe with some ideas that have reach. That means compressing your communication. Maxwell's equations are not a list of every single possible interaction of electrical and magnetic fields. They're four equations that obviate the need for the list. So I don't think you even understand what you're saying until you can figure out how to say it simply briefly in language that you can explain to a child. I'm sat here answering my YouTube comments and I'm thinking how much more wonderful it would be if YouTube comments were essentially air chat and you could hear the voice of the person posting and you could reply with your own voice and how much more real and beautiful that would be and how much less horror there would be out there. Now there's very little horror on my YouTube channel. My YouTube is famous for having the most wholesome comment section on the internet. Dr.

[1:39:01] Jordan B. Peterson spoke about it at length in a number of podcasts, how amazed he was at the, at just the goodness and beauty and intelligence of the Akira the Don YouTube comment section. However, the point remains, air chatification of the internet would solve so many things and make it so much more beautiful. Good coffee morning. Hey Arjun, do we have a channel here about wine? Because I couldn't find it. But maybe we have it, but the name is not wine. Well, let's ask the AirChat channel team. Computer scientists, physicists, and mathematicians have the fastest energy return on investments of their time, I think, and the most frequent. I think people who work in chemistry, they infrequently can contribute, but when they do contribute, it's an insane yield on energy efficiency.

[1:39:56] Kind of an interesting trade-off. Why would I ever go to a conference when I can do an air chat group or channel? I wouldn't. I'd just do an air chat group or channel and structure it somehow. Interview people in an air chat conversation. It's better than a podcast. You don't have to listen in real time, and people can participate and DM each other. Just a reminder, if someone you don't follow replies to you, your followers can't see their post until you interact with it. invite them in, in which case we know that you'll show them around, they'll have a good experience.

[1:40:47] And then we hope to open up to the rest of the world shortly. So as usual, please keep inviting your friends in, please keep showing them around, they can download straight from the App Store and just sign up, or you can invite them through the app using the normal invitation system and then you get that sweet sweet invited by credit. Never be ashamed of your accent. I should be proud of it. It's fun to be an emoji username now, but wait later when there are 100 million people here and and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are. Maybe you are Bucket. If you're thinking of changing your name for an emoji, maybe this will change your mind. All right, so I did the only thing I could do after I finished watching the Fallout series. I turned around and started watching it again. And I got to tell you, surprisingly, it's just as much fun, because there's all these little Easter eggs hidden in there.

[1:41:37] And now that you know the story, now that you know it's going, You kind of like are spending your time finding them and there's so much. I'm really enjoying it. Of course, now I'm like worried what happens when it ends the second time. What am I going to watch then? Or do I just lather, rinse and repeat? Max, you need to help me. Tips. I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Hey, Pietri. I listened to this. Man, this is gold. This is pure gold. I don't know why she's awesome and her voice is so calming. Like, listening to her is so calming and her music is just magical. Well, thank you for sharing it. It's like you knew I was going to enjoy it and I definitely enjoyed it. Thanks, Petri.

[1:42:24] Thanks, man. Yes, Antonio's website. Antonio used to be playing in London, New York, and different places. And sometimes I remember the artist who just met, they just figured out that, hey, we've been playing in the same places. And obviously they know the same people. Sips, I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Yeah, that's what I just saw on her Instagram. Yeah, the YouTube channel looks amazing. I'm going to have a look at that. But don't get me wrong. An algorithmic suggested follows would be super dope. Oh, you're doing it absolutely right. I think people just want to jump to the endgame. They just want to say, hey, tell me exactly who I should be talking to and listening to. And it's not that simple. You're complicated. you're creative. How are we going to figure out who you should be talking to and listening to? I mean, we can help a little bit, but really the best way, at least with the current technology, is just find out who the people you already like talking and listening to are talking to and listening to. And every truth-seeking algorithm works exactly as you described, variation and selection. Look for variety and then select what you want to survive. If you feel it's getting a little bit too boring at the moment and there's no good content, here you can find all the yapping I did in the previous version. This would be a few hours of entertainment or whatnot if you're inclined and bored. This was all Andrew. Also shout out Andrew on his first ship I guess you could call it. It's amazing when you join a team and hit prod that quick. Well done. It's fun to be an emoji username now but wait later when there are 100 million people here and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are. Maybe you are a bucket. But also I'm secretly hoping for AirChat to completely destroy my phone and wreck the battery and just make my phone completely explode so that I can claim insurance and then maybe get the new iPhone 16 by the time it comes out. So that's my evil plan. I'm just planting the seeds with the plant emoji. It's fun to be an emoji username now, but wait later when there are 100 million people here and they just love to use the heart or the LOL or whatever the emoji you are, maybe you are

[1:44:35] a bucket. But my wild guess is that you are going to places, you're going to see things you cannot even imagine. When you are everyone, are you really anyone and does nobody remember you afterwards? The easiest answer is start meditating so you can just quiet your mind and there's no everyone anymore. Just a moment. Enjoy the silence. Welcome to ZomboCom. Show me your Friday workstation. Please excuse the dust, but this is my workstation. I work from home. I have a standing desk converter that I really enjoy using. Sayste, hot search. That's great, I love it. Hashtags came out of Twitter. Is airtag creating Emotions names.

[1:45:52] A person is a person with a personality. You have a character, you have ideas, you have knowledge in particular. So you Nivy have a preference for tea or coffee or some other drink. So when presented with that choice, you tend to make that choice over and over again. If you're the kind of person who enjoys coffee, then not only do you enjoy coffee in this universe, but in the overwhelming majority of universes, do you enjoy coffee? In universes where you begin to enjoy tea, then it becomes a philosophical question as to whether or not that's really Nivy or a completely different person who happens to share a lot of attributes with you. But in those universes, the fungible universes, where you always do what you do in this universe, then that is definitely you. You are your fungible instances. In universes where you're ever so slightly different, where some of your preferences are ever so slightly different, you might still tend to choose coffee in almost all cases. But, for example, you prefer wearing red shirts over white shirts or something like that. So this gets more into philosophy than into physics, but there is a way of trying to square the two ideas, the nature of personhood and what is happening in the multiverse. And I've tried to do that in various places, one of which is that episode of Topcast that I call The Nexus.

[1:46:51] I tried to make a snippet out of the same chapter from the San Carlos book, and it's basically the same thing. So you tend to do the same decisions, so it's not equally distributed. So in that sense, other decisions are not available there, but it's a little bit hard to make a snippet here because he's more verbose and it doesn't exactly match. So I recommend if anybody's interested, just take it directly from the lecture 22 from the book I gave the link earlier on. Hey, I haven't seen this done yet, and I'm not going to roll a web page for it. But if you know of any one emoji profiles or a hashtag profile, feel free to come in and drop them on the spreadsheet. You can edit it. Only thing is, don't cut somebody out unless they've changed it and it's not accurate anymore. Otherwise, you're going to make me actually roll some kind of web page or something. And you don't want to make me do that.

[1:47:39] I don't want to do that. But you don't want to make me do that. I think the quantum multiverse turns the search for an explanation for free will into the problem of understanding how decision-making or knowledge creation can create branches in the multiverse. So an electron flying off an atom or not flying off of an atom with 50-50 probability will create, call it, two branches in the multiverse with equal probability. But how does the creation of knowledge, which is a willful act, or a decision to turn left instead of right, create branches in the multiverse. of physics. What do we mean when we use words like decisions or choices? Decisions and choices and their consequences are useful concepts when we are talking about things at the macroscopic human-sized level. It's perfectly okay to think of choices as really existing and making a difference, as long as we can find such talk to the regime in which they apply. Choices in your life really exist, but they exist in the same way that tables and chairs really exist.

[1:49:10] Thanks for the reference and the criticism. I don't think Sean is correct. Knowledge does create branches in the universe. Decisions do create branches in the universe. Decisions are just another form of knowledge. We don't know the mechanism for how that happens, but if you believe we can make decisions and create knowledge, then you should conclude that they can create branches in the universe. They can even form crystals across universes that don't have much in common because at least true knowledge has the ability to stay instantiated because it's useful. I should say useful knowledge instead of true knowledge. So useful knowledge can be discovered in universes that don't have much connection to each other and stay instantiated in those universes. David Deutsch calls that a crystal of knowledge. Maybe Brett can come in and clarify for both of us if he has time.

[1:50:17] Yes, our innovation was deleting the old code base, throwing out everything we thought we knew about how to build an audio social product and starting over from scratch. There's a quote I'm reminded of that goes something like, for the simplicity on this side of complexity, I wouldn't give you a fig. But for the simplicity on the other side of complexity, for that, I would give you everything I have. It's a byproduct of what you and the team have done so well here, which is to incentivize people being authentic. When I think about authenticity, I think the consistency between the internal values somebody has and how they express those externally. So in a channel, you have a comfort in knowing that people in that channel largely have the same internal values you have. And so then in terms of expressing yourself externally, it becomes fairly easy and fairly attractive to do so. I would also add that channels provide the opportunity for people to conform to social norms that they used to.

[1:51:08] So in terms of acronyms, in terms of specific phrases, in terms of particular lingo or behaviors. So if you look at potentially people who own pets, for example, you see this in the dog and the cat channels. If you think about Bitcoin and crypto channels, there's a certain level of assumed knowledge in those channels and ways of speaking and phrases. And so people then feel, again, comfortable and there's a strong incentive to engage in those channels compared to the main feed, which if you create it right, yes, you can get the content you're interested in. And mine certainly reflects that. But channels just provides that more intimate setting for people to express those particular social norms. because on one hand i don't think we've seen a world like this and i think that robots that are capable of farming and building houses for basically free are on the horizon with solar energy hypothetically right maybe in a few decades it seems possible but on the other hand humans will find a way to fight over anything so i'm wondering what you guys think yeah we got in there incremental chains and a lot of things already have been improved over the last 100 150 200 years if you compare the we even have pictures from what the world looked like in the end of 90th century then they had electricity already, there was a plumbing, there were a lot of things already in place, so it didn't look that much different. There was also electric cars, not that many, but they were there, so the city life didn't look that much different what we have now. So in that sense, yeah, incremental change is also the way to go, unless we find something better. One big difference from then is that now we have computers and the internet, which is literally earth society changing technology, and hopefully robotics and cheap solar panels in the future, or yeah, maybe fusion, that'd help a lot, right? These are the things I'm super excited about. It's nice to think them as compressed versions of Wikipedia or the current internet, the public internet. If we can get the data accuracy and quotations and all these in a proper level and there's no hallucination, that would be a brilliant package to also download to or put it in your pocket when you're in Mars or in some other places. So new Wikipedia in a way. Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diminish them as simply nothing but mapped idea spaces. The fact that these are hugely, like a very high dimension idea spaces that contain vast amounts of information and knowledge is significant.

[1:53:13] I don't think that any particular mapped idea space is capable of generating truly novel information, but it is capable of generating things that kind of look like new information because it's novel arrangements of things that are already within the mapped idea space. But it doesn't have any capability to reach outside of what's been mapped into it and generate, you know, something entirely novel. Maybe if we figure out how humans actually do that, we'll be able to imbue machines with the ability to do so. But I don't see that really happening right now, at least. That's not where we're at. I think my main reaction would be, I hope not. But on the other hand, I also don't want to, like, especially when I'm, like, this afternoon or this morning, I was in a cafe. And just, if you want to interact with anyone on AirChat, it needs to be at least understandable, or at least not annoying. And especially, I've noticed that my AirPods are so bad, especially in this context, that it sort of prevents me from actually making a reply. Having said that, I hope this doesn't diverge into having your professional audio equipment as a requirement, because it's sort of like, I like the fact that it's so ad hoc and you just throw it out there.

[1:54:11] It's more the issue that if your audio interface is not actually designed to be plugged in. All the information that is in these AIs right now, or these poorly named natural language computers and databases comes from things you can already find on Google. It is just reformatted and restructured. There is nothing that you can get out of an AI right now that you couldn't get out of a Google search and some basic calculations. So we're not enabling anything yet. As for AGI itself, it's entirely hypothetical. Entirely. We don't know yet how to get there. So until we get there, I do not see that it is worth to forbid the free exercise of mathematics and reason and logic, which are literally the last free domains that we have left. It is an incredibly poor justification to create a regime of thought control that is worse than anything we've ever seen to date. It's nice to think of them as compressed versions of Wikipedia or the current internet, the public internet. If we can get the data accuracy and quotations and all these in a proper level and there's no hallucination, that would be a brilliant package to also download or put it in your pocket when you're in Mars or in some other places.

[1:55:13] So new Wikipedia in a way. What about the side of abuse of this though, right? Because if you have just an open source model, anybody can use that. It also lent itself to very easily being abused, especially by people that are less informed on what's currently available. Now, personally, I'm still all for open sourcing everything. But, you know, I'm super biased when it comes to this. So I'm just kind of wondering that perspective. All the information that is in these AIs right now, or these poorly named natural language computers and databases, comes from things you can already find on Google. It is just reformated and restructured. There is nothing that you can get out of an AI right now that you couldn't get out of a Google search and some basic calculations. So we're not enabling anything yet. As for AGI itself, it's entirely hypothetical. Entirely. We don't know yet how to get there. So until we get there, I do not see that it is worth to forbid the free exercise of mathematics and reason and logic, which are literally the last free domains that we have left. It is an incredibly poor justification to create a regime of thought control that is worse than anything we've ever seen to date. Hey, Brian and then of all, I stumbled upon the old air chat from several months ago on my old phone today.

[1:56:13] And I'm really curious if you all would be able to share the iteration process you all went through to get to the version that we're using today, which has a much lighter weight UI. It is a lot less anxiety inducing and it's a lot easier to get started. I'm going to attach a screenshot here from what I found on my old phone. And the contrast is very, very strong. I've been very impressed by the work here. Yes, our innovation was deleting the old code base, throwing out everything we thought we knew about how to build an audio social product, and starting over from scratch. Yeah, I mean, I don't... They're just trying to act effectively. I don't think that companies being greedy is necessarily evil. More so, it's just the idea of somebody thinking that there will be an economy post-AGI is crazy. There's no way.

[1:57:00] There's no way, right? Like, dude, post-AGI that's like an unknown... Like real AGI, dude? Like actual people as an API? Like really, dude? We're still going to be buying and selling crap? Well, we already have AGI. It's called humans. So I don't know how another human would necessarily change something. Yes, there's like the whole theory of like infinite, you know, growth and super intelligence, but that's a different argument. I think the growth of knowledge is path dependent and requires resources and time and iteration. And an AGI may be able to shortcut certain things and be worse at other things. But at the end of the day, it'll be a tool or a peer. There is nothing an AGI can understand that a human is not capable of understanding. And that comes directly from the laws of computation, as far as we best understand them today. So I'm not worried about it. I don't think AGI, even an AGI, if we were to be on a path to creating one, would lead to immediately some kind of a post-economic economy. Okay, I give up.

[1:57:50] I think our chat is just my new job. So my first question is, what did you have to unlearn first to build great product? to stop spending so much time before first releasing it. I think I tried multiple times, and the thing that succeeds is probably the thing that I spent the least effort in and just chucked out there, and then learned and iterated. I spent so much time initially perfecting it, both in design and code and all of that stuff, and it wasn't worth it. Cameron, you might get a kick out of this. Unity is a very sad thing to work with. This does not give me a kick. It gives me... it gives me a punch. Time spent in unity is not a life well lived. Okay, I definitely have something that needs to be fixed in the transcription.

[1:58:39] I live with many, many, many, many, many, many Vietnamese people, because my partner is Vietnamese, and of course all their friends are here all the time. And the transcription doesn't translate or transcribe "oi zoi oi" properly. And since this has become my stop word of choice, I am now struggling. Oh, it did it! That's exactly right. All the people who want AI to summarize a conversation don't realize that AI is actually pretty bad at it. Modern AIs are good at extrapolating. They're not good at figuring out what the core part is and summarizing it because that requires true understanding. It's much easier just to pull down and skim a conversation than it is to have some AI generated summary, which sounds awfully generic. The summarization is also probably partly coming from the perspective that there's some kind of an absolute truth or some kind of a center of truth and what is important and what is not important and what the whole thing is about. And that's quite a lot of subjective matter.

[1:59:30] I think it's also motivated reasoning. It's a fear of change. It's a longing for security and stability. And that's why I think this kind of attitude is generally found more in older people than in younger people. For the younger generations, there's also the optimism. And if the times are not pretty optimistic, like probably at the moment, that can also affect the way they see the world. Even though fundamentally there's nothing wrong and they are the young people. But I think the eras and times also affect at least some person of the population. And what about the ones who are not so young? I mean, in our mid-30s or even people who are in their mid-40s, what do you suggest, Naval? We were asking from a person who in his 50s is building the new social media paradigm. it actually kind of reminds me a lot of times when you're like working on a problem it genuinely feels like there's no answer and you're wasting your time even thinking about it and then also at that moment you feel just like that until the solution immediately comes to you and then you're like oh there was a solution all along that's like something that happens on an individual basis a lot it feels like when i hear about in history and even now people are saying there's no more new good ideas and progress has ended it's like that being stumped by a question on a test or something like that, but happening at scale.

[2:00:41] It usually takes an individual or two to go completely in something different, and that opens the new avenues. It's like there have been these coastlines in sports where, like, the magic numbers, nobody believed that you can break them, and then somebody does that, and then it becomes like a regular thing. It's the same thing here. A lot of people are trying to do the same thing, so just improving or just bending their head towards one direction. And then somebody just, either by accident or by some other means, just do something completely bonkers, and it works, and voila, the new avenue is open. This photo broke the internet this morning. Are we back in the 16s or is this 70s? I would answer this question, but I wasn't alive back then. Perhaps it's not equal voice, it's equal playing ground to get your voice heard. Yeah, that's better. Exactly, that's the difference between the old legacy social media and the decentralized media, where there's no algo. And it's the responsibility of the users to boost and make the content available to other people.

[2:01:37] If you find it valuable, reboost it, reply. Those are the ways for others to see it. And that's completely the difference. And I think it's nice that the responsibility of having a nice and good content network is distributed among its members. Yeah, we were struggling a little bit with this, like with the work version of this, as we grew from just a smaller company to something, well, rather large. Then how do you give the sort of like the new people flowing in a similar opportunity as the old guard? Yeah, it was very interesting and still learning. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of people who've been talking like two years. Imagine being two years all alone and, well, suddenly there's one person playing and then they're gone and the next one. And how to be perky? Because the person who comes in, you always have to be in your best behavior because, you know, who wants to watch something which is not the nicest. So, yeah, you have to do it for other reasons.

[2:02:26] But I also noticed that if you're playing, for example, some game or something, do you really want to be in the broadcasting mode or do you actually want to be in the end zone gaming mode? And seldom did you really match. right to make an analogy it would be almost like um in writing papers like if we imagine that if you if you wrote a paper and then after like a month or two if there were no citations it would just get deleted forever right like so you have nothing to kind of build your uh you know resume on or something like that um yeah that would be pretty uh you know dispiriting i don't think i could ever be a streamer as like a career you know like maybe it's just like something for fun to hang out with people but i don't think i could do it that way plato had some interesting ideas and many philosophers say that all of philosophy is footnotes to Plato. I like to say that all of philosophy since Plato has been corrections to Plato. So one thing that Plato thought was that in our spiritual form, we know the absolute truth about everything. And when we're born into this imperfect world, what we do is we gradually remember the truth. The parable of the cave is that we can never get access to this truth. Now, there's a sense in which this is correct, But it's also misleading. It says that there's nothing objective that we can come to understand about the world because there's no way of testing our ideas against the real world. We don't have access to the real world, but we do. What science is about is conjecturing ideas, which can always be false, against reality. Reality exists, and when we do an experiment, we're doing an experiment to test our ideas against reality. Now, there are some complexities here when we're doing a test that is also a conjecture. We have a conjecture about or an idea about how the experiment works, But first pass approximation is good here.

[2:04:00] We can get to an understanding of actual reality, an understanding of. But the understanding itself is fallible. It's not final. And so I think Plato didn't quite understand that. Just to linger on Plato's cave thought experiment for a moment. And I think it's wonderful and creative. He was the first to get there. And I give him great credit because a lot of people have come along since and basically copied his central idea that we might be deceived about the nature of reality. because we're trapped in the equivalent of a cave and only seeing the shadows cast upon the wall. Although there's truth in this, it's also misleading, as I've said. But many people have stolen this idea, passing it off as their own, more or less. One of the first was Descartes, also a genius, and I don't want to call him a thief, but his idea that there was absolutely nothing we could doubt except our own existence, rested upon a very similar thought experiment.

[2:04:48] He said that a malevolent demon, almost all-powerful, could be deceiving you at every moment about the nature of reality. You could be dreaming, in other words. And this idea that you could always be dreaming and you can't rule out the fact that you might be dreaming has been carried on through to today. Movies like The Matrix or any number of science fiction movies are based upon this premise, that reality as we see it could be a complete deception, that all of our science and our understanding and our knowledge is completely flawed because we're just dreaming it all. And then once technology arrived on the scene, and in fact, once you had computers, people then started saying things like, well, it could all be a simulation. And then Nick Bostrom said that more likely than not, we're in a simulation because, In the future, human beings are going to create simulated worlds, and inside those simulated worlds, people will create more simulated worlds, and so on it goes. So on the balance of probabilities, you have to expect that you're living in a simulated world. This is the same kind of idea that Plato had two and a half thousand years ago, that you just might be being deceived about the ultimate nature of reality. What I want to say about all of this is that it doesn't get us anywhere. It doesn't allow us to make progress. Progress means solving our problems here and now, to understand the world. And if indeed it is a simulation, who cares? I want to know on what kind of computer this simulation is running and where it is. That's the purpose of reason and science. But it's all beside the point for me anyway, because as a realist, I just begin with the assumption that science, mathematics, philosophy, our reason can help us to solve our problems and improve our position. It makes absolutely no difference to me if there's an unprovable God out there, or a demon deceiving us, or a cave we're trapped in, or a simulation inside of a simulation. All of these thought experiments are pointless navel-gazing. They're not actually science, and they're not, ultimately speaking, even interesting philosophy, because what I regard as interesting philosophy is philosophy that solves a problem. So when you put forth Plato or Nick Bostrom or anyone else, these ideas about the ultimate nature of reality, all I want to ask them is, what problem are they trying to solve?

[2:06:48] Yeah, true, you're right. But I guess that only applies that when you already have your following. I wonder how long it feels like talking to the void in the beginning phases. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of people who've been talking like two years. Imagine being two years all alone and, well, suddenly there's one person playing and then they're gone and the next one. And how to be perky? Because the person who comes in, you always have to be in your best behavior because, you know, who wants to watch something which is not the nicest. So, yeah, you have to do it for other reasons. But I also notice that if you're playing, for example, some game or something, do you really want to be in the broadcasting mode or do you actually really want to be in the end zone gaming mode? And seldom did you really match... It's what, 2am there in PSD? I see that you're not joking when Arjun posted about AirChat having no work-life balance, but it's for the good of the app and the team and your own livelihood, right? You gotta do what you gotta do. I work and I live my life at the same time. I don't believe in balance.

[2:07:43] I think it's so amazing that it's sort of obvious and it doesn't work, though I do think some people are very good at reading things aloud and will eventually not be able to tell. But still, for now, it's cool to see. yeah and you make it fun for yourself because you're variating and you're changing stuff and keeping it interesting for yourself so you're exactly refining it and maybe just changing something but you notice that it's hitting and hitting and it's getting better and better because you get the responses quicker yeah that's the fun part yeah i think this is my struggle with youtube it feels like talking to the void i cannot imagine how like the twitch streamers do it they are like um they're very entertaining and i actually love watching them but how can you like talk for like four hours to your screen and still continue to be entertaining wow it's a it's a Okay, I don't want to flex, but I have to be the worst one here, right? Yeah, you're probably the worst one here.

[2:08:32] Well, it is a nice idea if you obviously closely know that person and you just want to hear their voice and get a little bit of her comfort by their presence, even though they're not there. And even though you know that they're not going to give you the new jokes or the new stuff, but it's still better than just flipping the photo album or just seeing or hearing the voice or seeing the videos which are always the same. AI LLM can give a little bit of a variety which makes it more realistic. I see. So let the natural grieving stages take their place and play themselves out. And then once you've gone through that, you can see those memories from a new light in a way that is healthy. I guess there would be a temptation during the grieving process to go back and hang on to those videos and audio files or images and that might be a very tough process or a very tough thing to resist I also always wonder yeah like what is the right way to do that I've never actually talked to someone about this before what is the correct way to grieve I know my grandma has a picture of her deceased husband, my grandfather, on her bedside table and has ever since he died.

[2:09:51] And sometimes I wonder, man, how is that to start your day? Wouldn't it, you know, you look over and the person you shared your whole life with, you're reminded they're not with you anymore? Or maybe it brings her peace and she feels like he is with her. I don't know. There's a balance of trying to escape reality and be in it and maybe maybe having a picture by your bed can bring you closer to reality but also maybe it can cause you to construct things in your mind like a belief that that person is still around once that's already more than 10 years ago a friend of mine died and we were working intensely together and I got to know him but he was already pretty old and when I got to know him and what I did was actually quite nice at the time I made a tv series well it wasn't a series it was a part of a series a one episode I guess is the way to say about him because he was he had done quite a lot of stuff and he know quite a lot of people and in all levels of society people still remembered him what he did maybe 40 years before and it was actually a fun project because I got to know a lot of other people. I got to talk about him. I learned about him. And I noticed that the qualities and the impact he had was just remarkable because those people didn't have any reason to talk and do those things unless they really generally meant that. And because it was a self-funded project, some of these factory floor workers at the time who were already probably already retired, they were also donating money for the project. And then finally it came out on national TV. So that was a really nice way of remembering my friend, and that was pretty close to maybe within a year when he died. So that was, I think, a really nice way to do it. But everybody's different, and everybody has their different ways, and I don't think there's a right or wrong way to do it.

[2:11:45] Thanks, Tim. I wish I could find a way of pronouncing the name of my podcast so that Air Chat would get it right. let me see tockcast and if that doesn't work it's t-o-k-c-a-s-t for anyone following and i noticed this thread i'm having a lot of trouble keeping up with the threads here on air chat at the moment which is a wonderful thing you know i would call it a a too much wealth of knowledge going on here at the moment there's an abundance of people to engage with but anyone interested in this idea of time sam kuypers who's here on air chat somewhere the physicist specializes in the quantum theory of time. There have been a number of theories of time over the years. David Deutsch explains some of this in The Fabric of Reality, and I've been making my way through what rather I'm up to. I think it's chapter 11 now. Time, the first quantum concept from The Fabric of Reality. But if you're interested in the work of David Deutsch generally, of course, yes, go to my podcast. I'll provide a link to my most recent episode, because my most recent episode basically contains our most recent best understanding of what time is. When I say our, I mean the community of physicists who understand both general relativity, either to our best explanation of space-time, time emerges out of that, and quantum theory. And there is a unification of quantum theory and general relativity in this one narrow area by a couple of physicists called Page and Wooters. And Sam Kuypas has done a little bit more work on this particular area, and he calls the unification of quantum theory and relativity here modest, but it is very interesting. So I'll drop the link here, and feel free to ask me questions about it, and maybe we can get Sam in here to talk about it. And yes, my podcast generally deals with the work of David Deutsch, and as I like to say, associated thinkers.

[2:13:20] Partly, your episode already answered this one, which I dropped some days ago. There's two senses of this word objective that I think people confuse sometimes. The two senses are that truth exists, and therefore it's possible for you to be wrong. There's an objectivity to that. It's not a mere matter of opinion, subjective in other words, but objectively speaking, you could be wrong. That's one version of objective. The other version of objective is that things can exist in objects. So for example, objective knowledge. It can be put into books. It can be put into telescopes. It can be put into people's minds. These are objects out there in the world that we can talk about. Two senses of objective. Who wants to be part of an early alpha for For You Feed? Reply to this if you're interested and I'll DM you. You know, in some sense, you are correct because when it is so clear and overt and everyone using the platform is like very obvious about the fact that they're gaming an airdrop and that's why they're there then you know that is a genuine interaction that's happening they're not hiding their intentions or at least not well so in that sense it is genuine but those are not creating strong social bonds that you would want from a real community or social network it's transactional by nature then it strikes me that some of the other platforms, TikTok particularly, people aren't creating content that's true to them. They're creating content that they know a lot of people will watch. I hesitate to use the word enjoy, but people create content that a lot of people will watch because that helps with the financialization. There's an awful lot of very, very repetitive content over there because people know that it will be popular, because people know that that will help with them monetizing their appearance on the platform. I think and I hope that this platform remains true to people actually having conversations. That might be a vain hope. Yeah, I think TikTok is the epitome of destructive social media. This is a thread of the previous AirChat rooms I was having, and when you click the link, it will open in a browser. And if you want to go to the beginning

[2:15:27] of the room. Usually if it's a long room it doesn't go to the beginning when you click it. Find the bookmark or the booklet, book icon and then you just keep on scrolling till you find the beginning and if you click that then you're in the beginning of the room. Who am I? Yeah unfortunately I have to agree to that. I think of Farcaster as a game more than social media. You can do many kinds of of stuff there, even grid frames, cast actions, farm degen. It's more like a game to me. Yeah, I get it, and I'm glad you're having fun, and that's cool. I've seen this movie a few times, so I know how it ends, and I'm sure you'll be fine, but I don't think that far caster will be. There are two types of people here. Those who want to have a conversation, and those who don't. Thank you, Petri. And I think I understand you now. It's almost like a flat, structured app whereby peer-to-peer and there's no hierarchy of conversation. Yeah, I really get it now, thank you, and I guess I will not vote back in joining conversations from now on. And I hope I pronounced your name right because I realized that it's a Finnish name and I'm really bad with the R pronunciation. Excellent, yeah, you pronounced it properly. And here is Dali, well, version of the same.

[2:16:44] Codesits are wormholes to another time and place, but in conversations. Link looping, the act of clicking an AirChat link within the app and landing on a completely new discussion. There are two types of people here, those who want to have a conversation and those who don't. I think it's perfectly okay to just lurk around and listen to other people have conversations. It's not necessary that if you are on this app, you have to have conversations. I spend close to two hours on this app, and I post around two to three messages. So most of the time, I'm also just listening to other people's conversations, and I learn a lot. Nothing wrong with lurking. There are two types of people here. Those who want to have a conversation, and those who don't.

[2:17:34] Yeah, 100%. In the beginning, I was really fussing about it, and now I just throw it out there. But it's also a testament to how good the description is, that I don't really feel the need to double-check it every time. It's fine. and the errors it will make, if at all, are usually funny or they don't matter. Yeah, this is audio first, so people should always check the voice version if they are in doubt. Finally turning in my PhD thesis tomorrow. Wish me luck, guys. I think I'll just order a backpack full of spare batteries and just commit to walking around with, well, a cable in. If you have an iPad, the battery is better, so that way you can extend and maybe switch devices when needed. Yeah, that's a good tip. Actually, yesterday I used it on the Vision Pro, and it's a really nice experience. The audio is very cool. It's like actually listening and sitting next to someone. But ideally, I just run it as an amp on my laptop next to everything else I'm doing. Well, actually, I won't be doing anything else. I'm just listening, but still.

[2:18:27] Am I weird if the Kung Fu Panda soundtrack makes me cry? Wait, wait, I'll post it. Just see. Just listen to it and tell me you're not shedding a tear. Come on! Kung Fu Panda 1 and Kung Fu Panda 2 are two of my absolute favorite movies. I've watched them so many times. So beautiful. So funny. So much heart. And just beautifully woven wisdom. No cliche. Which is actually rare in these kind of movies. It's not cliche. It is just beautiful. Goofoo Panda 2. Just how he was able to come to terms with his past and let go. Oh my god. My jaw dropped. I wanted to go find those screenwriters and just hug them. I was blown away. I love those two movies. Trust Pilot is an evil company. How ironic. The Pilot failed. The secret to audio quality on AirChat is: EarPods. Old-fashioned Apple white cable EarPods. You nailed it and the cord, the cable is the keyboard here. If you have AirPod Pros, throw them away. They don't have a mic. You cannot even call it a mic. Don't use it, even for the phone calls.

[2:19:30] You must buy Walt Isaacson is worth checking out. I think at the very least it triggered in me that It's easy to get sort of biased by the perception of someone and to keep searching for alternative viewpoints. So, yeah, when I picked up the book, I really wasn't a fan. And I'm not quite sure if I'm a super fan, but at least I really value him as a person and his role and what he's trying to do. In the spirit of every social media marketing manager right now having a play with Mark Zuckerberg's avatar and updating his face and his hair, I thought I would start here with our very own Mr. Brian Norgard. No, seriously, it's a nice picture, and Brian looks good, so we have nothing to be afraid of or worried. I hope not. Did you check your tone was cheerful? Oh, yeah, it was, so there's nothing to worry about. It's a free speed platform.

[2:20:19] Plus one on this, Petrie, you are a phenomenal synthesizer of information. I find myself going to just look at your feed and able to get up to date on what's going on with AirChat and just a bunch of other things and the way you break down things so simple and concise. I really enjoy it. Both have a good size. This is more like a sit-chatting, a Twitter type of come back and forth. And it's easier for new users to hop on board and start to do things and start talking. So the previous one was a bit more, well, Naval, I think, used the word performative. Well, you can certainly do that. But yeah, it was more difficult if you want to jump into a discussion. I think this is way better here. So there's no interruption in a way. And in the room concept, it was more, well, it was a bigger thing if somebody was going to reply and have to think whether you bump it up.

[2:21:05] and it was the main timeline, which was also a bit clunky and difficult to use. And also the clips started to become like the thing. So if you have a really good room, then you need to market it and become like a second part-time job. So I think this is better altogether, but I do miss some of the features and some of the focalness of the rooms where you can really focus on something and it's easy to find and it's easy to check. So there are sides, but I think they're going to implement some of the best parts here. We just have to be a little bit more patient. I don't think there's an algorithm. I think it's just whatever came up first. That's the last thing on, like a standard thing. The follow thing is going to hurt you. There's like 80,000 people here. So if you're only waiting for the first 81 that you've met since you've been here, that is going to make your feed a little slower. But Bunny posts a lot, right?

[2:21:53] So does Lucas. What you could do, if you type in Ryan, at last count, I think there's 7,000 Ryans. So you could just get a feed full of Ryans all day long. That's essentially what my feed is like. So you could do that. you'll have to start over again because we're getting rid of all those fucking Ryans. It's just too many fucking Ryans. We're sending them back to where they came from. And they're, well, we'll keep their tilt back because it turns out that's pretty good. Anyway, so you can follow the 8,000, 8 to 10,000 Ryans or whatever by this point, or consider adding a few other names. But Lucas and Bonnie, I feel like they're kind of, I think if you do that and the, ooh, follow the Avatar guy. He's always, it's really cool. It's always something there. That's what I'd say. The alcohol is that's the reverse Krona order. That's the thing. It's reverse chrono. That's not a thing. That's not an algorithm. That's just like it comes in, you write it down, the next thing comes in, you write that above it. That's not an algorithm. That's like these machine learning AI startups. It's like just a fucking decision tree. Anyway, it's not even an algorithm. And what is up with all these terms of service people? Jesus fucking Christ. Just who's reading the terms of service? Besides Bloomberg, I guess. Because that makes sense. Anyway, it's fine. Fake plants are better than real plants.

[2:23:02] Are those holop plants you see via some Vision Pro or some other future gadgets, or are they like those regular plastic thingies? Yeah, again, I think if I go into a room marked Keith, that's pretty much it for me. You never hear from me again, or some other multiverse Keith comes out. So I'm not going to do that. Last time I did that, you guys didn't see me for like a month. But I'll be in Petri's channel, and it looks like there's cool channels. I don't know if I'm going to go in any of the rooms, to be honest. It's been dicey for me for a while. But I'll see you in Petri's room. Mainly, I'm just glad you're back. I don't know if you've been here. There's like 80,000 people here. Maybe we're just at different bars, but it's nice to see you. I missed you. Oh, did you ever make the aloo prata? Yeah, Keith, I've been actually... Well, I can just pause due to my track record. Well, probably I don't want to put it here, bump it up. But yeah, I've been here quite a lot, too much.

[2:23:50] But it's probably the time zones. You're sleeping while I'm here. And I was just thinking about this idea that with AI, you can literally talk to someone who is dead. just think about that. You never could really do that before. Well, it is a nice idea if you obviously closely know that person and you just want to hear their voice and get a little bit of her comfort by their presence even though they're not there. And even though you know that they're not going to give you the new jokes or the new stuff, but it's still better than just flipping the photo album or just hearing the voice or seeing the videos, which are always the same. AI LLM can give a little bit of a variety, makes it more realistic. just hide from Nival. And when he's sleeping, I'm Rutger Hauer. He's Michelle Pfeiffer. So when he's sleeping, I'm Rutger Hauer during the day, mainly. And I just go hang out with people. There's been Toad Venom. Emojis are doing it. So you've heard all this stuff. Yeah, I honestly, I really love it.

[2:25:17] I have a whole thing behind it. I know why I'm doing it and whatnot. So that's different. But as an experience, it's fucking amazing. I'll tell you the truth. I found this happening to myself too, not realizing which group I'm in once I'm in it. Because when you're in the main feed, you can, it's really called out that you're in a group, but when you're in the group, it just looks like a main feed. The only way you can see is that before you post anything, and it's empty the box, it says in which group you are, but it's quite hidden. I've done the same as well. Alex, it is so good to hear your voice, you know, being connected on social media for so long. It is really, really refreshing to hear you well, and not only read you. Yeah, I loved the previous version where you could have the rooms sort of more dedicated to some type of topics. I don't know, maybe here highlighting some of the threats, if I start to do threats, would help.

[2:26:05] Because it's really a chaos, and I wouldn't expect anyone to go through everything. I just reply to some random chits. So yeah, we need a more organized way of putting things together. I have to think about it. One particular channel might be also a little bit limiting as well. But because I'm already a channel in a way, everybody's a channel, but maybe the highlighting is the best way I had to go. Unless somebody else has better ideas. legends about you, wondering why are you always ordering Brussels sprouts? And I don't really have an epic story, it's just I like the Brussels sprouts, and it goes as a great side to anything. And so anyway, that's my fun little story.

[2:27:08] I still think that my best headshot is these ones. These are not definitely done for, noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they're actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. and there's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level. And you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier, when they still did proper productions and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time. It really is. I mean, I had a pair of the Sennheiser 800s, and I loved them so much, and I left him down in Florida, but now I don't do mixing full-time, so I don't really want to, I can't really justify paying like $1,400 for a pair of headphones, but fuck, I miss him. The transcript should also add an evil laugh.

[2:28:08] Does AirChat curse us slow, deliberate speakers? I hope not. 3X, and while I'm waiting, I'm drinking coffee. Hey guys, so I want to share something. I thought it was super cool. A couple of days ago, I invited Alex onto the app. He owns Linktree. And, you know, I shot him a text message as well saying, like, listen, you should integrate with socials on Linktree. And just got news today that Linktree finally integrated with AirChat where you can add it to your socials. I think what really separates like really great founders from mediocre ones is that they have incredibly fast iteration cycles and they take feedback incredibly well and something that is very apparent when it comes to Linktree and Alex. So big props then and, you know, congrats to the AirChat team for all the success. I still think that my best HR is these ones which are not definitely done for noise cancelling but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat so you will actually hear what's been recorded there's no artificial amplification of any frequencies but they are definitely in the next level and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all or you don't think there was something or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier given they still did a proper production and mixing and the recording value was way higher at the time.

[2:29:22] I have a little bit of FOMO right now because I have the Sennheiser HD 300s. And I'm wondering, maybe I should have gotten these ones because they look a little bit nicer than mine, but oh well. Well, the good news is that it doesn't matter how they look, only how they sound. What are some must-read autobiographies from the past two years? Elon Musk by Walt Isaacson is worth checking out. clubhouse tried to do that but they didn't do anything to it before they tried to sell it so it just kind of looked like a three and a half inch floppy which i've heard it's that big actually um sorry paul anyway so uh didn't work out well for them um but if you put an even like a modicum of effort into it had any talent um weren't like eight billion dollars in the hole to your covid funding round um you'd probably be okay i'd be great i'd get pranku into it i've wanted pranku to do that for a while. Wasn't Jack Dossi's first tweet sold about 3 million and later on the bidding price was maybe $17. That's because there's no pedestal here. The original poster is not favored in any way. There's really no such thing as the so-called OP. On Twitter, one person gets in their soapbox and everybody else is below and fights in the stands. Here, every single person walking up is a peer and that is reflected in the interface and in how everything is percolated throughout the app. Sorry for the big word. But essentially, everyone has a chance, an equal chance. So you're right. This is the ultimate reply guy app in that sense. But reply guy is only a pejorative because you created some special original guy in the first place, and that guy doesn't exist on AirChat. If you're not following the reply person and it's your post, it would show as a hidden, the label hidden there. And if you don't tap that, you don't like that.

[2:30:59] So it's the reply hidden to your followers. So that's the way to keep the replies more muted. oh thank you but isn't the channel called petri i mean i'm here i'm talking do we need a channel because uh in the previous one i had many rooms um but it's just me it's me myself and i so i'm just talking about uh weird stuff colors of dresses and how many tits you're doing per hour and music and ai and forecasters and social media and i don't even remember what i've been talking today so you get the drift but if by popular demand we need a channel please tell me the of the channel. I have the perfect name for a channel. It should be called "Channeling the Inner Petri". What do you say? There's a lot of good stuff on the Airtuit archives. My internet friends are more real than my in-person friends. Is that weird? What's the difference? Friends are friends. On iOS, you can go to accessibility, color filters, set it to red, 75% opacity, and then map it to your triple click, or for a pro move make it an automation so it automatically happens from sunrise the sunset to sunrise and there is your pink mode you are welcome it worked everything's pink the little rainbow bubbles are mostly pink wow we oh sheesh my profile picture is pink jess's profile picture is pink this is the best day ever naval you've changed my life twice now once with air chat and once with with the pink filter. Naval, the hotties want pink mode. On iOS, you can go to accessibility, color filters, set it to red, 75% opacity, and then map it to your triple click, or for a pro move, make it an automation so it automatically happens from sunrise, sunset to sunrise, and there is your pink mode. You are welcome. This is crazy, Petri. You actually interviewed the guy.

[2:32:50] You actually interviewed the guy. That is insane. I'm talking to famous people here. I don't know who's famous. I don't know who's who. But yeah, you're interviewing awesome people. I'm listening to the song now. Tips, I think you might like this one. She's amazing. I actually met her at Clubhouse and went to her rooms. And she does amazing things and quite brave stuff as well. So check it out if you like. Sure, Petri. I'm going to definitely use it as my wind down tonight when I go to sleep. I'll check it out. Well, Ashley, this has been really fun for me. I really appreciate your time. And I love everything you do. So thank you so much. I'm looking forward to more of your investigative reports, obviously your documentary too, and more conversations on AirChat and X. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I think it was a really fun and engaging interview, and hopefully we can get more of these.

[2:33:40] I think this is a really cool format that you guys are doing here on AirChat generally, and especially for interviews. I think it's fun. People can take their time to digest it. There's not a whole lot of air in between, no dead space. So thank you again. You turn off dark mode? I never turn off dark mode. It's the best mode. dark mode doesn't reflect the light of my soul the sweet relief of turning off dark mode good morning jesse good morning patrie again i just wanted to say really great interview between arjun and ashley st claire a lot of great topics discussed and you guys really set the bar high for doing interviews on this app really great job and thank you so much for the conversation what's your chits per hour ratio somewhere between Still a long way to go to 4:20. I love your flow Lisa. As you were talking, I'm sitting here on the couch and I literally closed my eyes and I visualized exactly as you were saying it. I need to do more visualization. Thank you for that prompt. Yeah, it's a field beat by Darude. And I was thinking this one.

[2:34:46] *music* Yeah, the trouble is that in order to dig out the proper music channels on the old air chat, you need the name of the person who created the room, and then you need to put exactly the name of the room. But yeah, some of them were just sharing links, some of them were sharing actual beats. Sweet dreams. The dark mode is yet to arrive on Android. This light mode is good, but it's not good enough. Really waiting for the update for them. And I'm waiting for that Google Play Store approval. Day five and counting. No, it's going to be a banger. Yeah, the transcription makes it a killer. Yeah, how many tits you do per hour?

[2:36:07] do want to listen to some of the old-school air chats because they were a lot of fun. And some of the Navall, and Brian's, and even the Babblefish, Alex, Keith, oh Keith is hilarious. Mine was just my first name so the URL format is air.chat/name/ and then the name of the room. Sounds like dawn's birthday dirt. It is undisputed, Petri. You do laugh. I'm sorry. What's your chits per hour ratio? I'm sorry, what? No, it's going to be a banger. Yeah, the transcription makes it a killer. Yeah, how many chits you do per hour? Financialization of social is the antithesis of social.

[2:36:59] All of these platforms trying to tokenize social interactions or create incentives for communities are doomed to fail because the monetization of human bonds destroys the social connection of those bonds. I don't believe that anyone who is coming for a token incentive can be authentic. Exactly. But it's also that it's usually pretty hard also to keep the line because what's popular is not exactly the best content. And what is popular is usually, well, it's popular because it's all over the place that gets the distribution, that gets the advertising money, that gets the sponsors because a lot of people are listening to that one. But it may not exactly be the one which is the interesting one, which is the new, which is the more risky one, which is not proven. And that does not make it all so interesting as a content wise. Sure, but the financialization drives away those sorts of people and it destroys those sort of bonds.

[2:37:51] So you're left with the lowest common denominator of people that are just in it for the pump to make money. As soon as they lose money, they're not your friend anymore. And it's also the image on people's minds and reputation. If you're already in there, it's hard to change and rebrand it and get out of the image of being on the tokenization and that type of platform. Financialization of social is the antithesis of social. All of these platforms trying to tokenize social interactions or create incentives for communities are doomed to fail because the monetization of human bonds destroys the social connection of those bonds. I don't believe that anyone who is coming for a token incentive can be authentic. I love this photo of me, Balaji, and Brian Johnson. It looks like we're being held up by a robber. Yeah, 100%. I think that is the biggest hurdle. It's one of the strengths, the asynchronous nature, and it's also one of the things that makes people get in their own way.

[2:38:49] If it was phone calls, it'd be different. It'd be far more noisy, but it would be different. But there is probably innovation that can happen with trying to give people a feel for the way a conversation is going and maybe that helps when you get some I don't know visual signal from the screen that there's people active in a room or in a channel that kind of thing maybe you practice with your friends and then you get familiar with this thing and after a while you don't care it's like the regular chatting and panther you're doing in whichever circumstances so it becomes like the second nature like people are commenting on Facebook and whatnot they don't think too much as we can see and read yeah we're universal explainers so we can learn to be comfortable doing anything if we want to but speech to text is only going to become more and more a part of everyday life talking to machines i mean it's going to be the modality of the next 10 years really um like i said there is probably a lot of innovation that can happen in the interaction between um but we're so new to this i mean it's only just reached the point where it's accurate enough to be useful generally so yeah there's a lot of scope to improve the process but you know we're in a good place i did stand-up comedy for a couple years in new york city what can comedian do any of you guys think would be perfect on air chat? Rappers, people who are good with words, actors, stand-up comedians, but also poets would probably make a killing here, and voice actors if they borrow the material from others, unless they are one of those previous categories already. I think part of the anxiety comes from there being no visual or other cue that you get when you're talking to a device. When you're talking in a social situation in real life, you're getting cues, body language, little movements from the people around you.

[2:40:26] And you can use that to gauge whether they're receptive to what you're saying or, you know, how engaged they are. But when you're talking to a phone in your hand, you have none of that. And I think it makes it feel like you're not talking to anyone. And that's when you're more likely to kind of screw your words up or model it up until you get more practiced at it. But even then, I'm still not great at it. When the telephone was introduced, you were probably talking to your friends, but there was also the anxiety which is still there of calling cold calls, calling people you don't know. And you don't get those cues. And you have to introduce yourself. You have to get through. And maybe you have some performance issues as well. So you need to close the sales or at least get to the next meeting or call. So it's still there. And it's even in some level that you're not even picking up the phone when it's ringing. You become hyper aware of the way you speak.

[2:41:16] what you say, how you say, and that raises the bar. And like I said, there's no cues, so you don't know. And you think that while you're speaking with someone in a social environment and in real life, that it's ephemeral. So it just comes out of your mouth and then it's gone. And then you can hide if it doesn't go so bad, or you can always fix it, but here it's more permanent, and that raises the bar. Yeah, I definitely think you guys are right. In normal conversation, you've got a visual cue, even within a sentence, is what you're saying, registering, maybe you need to move direction and try to rephrase. But when you're just holding the button and talking, there's nothing to give you a cue. I think that probably might be, now that I'm saying this, it's probably one of the biggest hurdles to getting used to using AirChat. There's also the fact that you're listening to yourself in a regular conversation. You're not listening to yourself, but here you can play back, obviously, after you have posted it. But this gives you more doubts.

[2:42:10] A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking but the threshold is there. That makes sense. I did stand-up comedy in New York for a couple years and even using this app I was a little hesitant at first but definitely getting used to and loving it now. In no time you're gonna be on fire here and then you have tons of good material which you already know is working because you're getting a lot of replies and reports and followers. We're rolling out N8N across everyone in our company and I'm wondering if any other organizations have the experience of how this is going to go with the technical and non-technical people. So far, we're just doing it and seeing what's happening. Especially, we're hoping that people will start to adopt AI, not just as a chat partner, but as something that can help them in their own processes. I'm wondering...

[2:42:57] You mean this N-A-N or something else? No, it actually transcribed it correctly. N-8-N. It's an automation platform. It's open source, but we're getting the enterprise version because we're big and we need to have protections and spend more money. A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there. Yeah, I do this all the time. I'll get halfway through a sentence and my brain decides there's a better way to say it, and it'll just do it. I'm like, no, finish the sentence first. But that's not the way their brains work. A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there.

[2:43:51] I understand that. I mean, I don't love my voice, and I always get a little bit of social anxiety when I'm talking to people, but talking on air chat as a giant blue chicken, it's the perfect practice. The paradox of the situation is that everybody else knows your voice because, hey, that's how you sound, but it's only you. for it sounds different because you don't usually listen to your own voice, at least if you're not a public speaker, you're recording yourself. And when you start to do that, you think that that's weird, but it's only weird for you, not for anyone else. I get so used to listening to people in their chat at 2x speed that people in real life start sounding very slow. That's why you speak to them only on air chat or when they are on YouTube or podcasts, and then you can even go to the real 3x or 4x. In fact, I already have some of the early stats, but I'm not going to share them because they are skewed by an early adopter user base.

[2:44:43] So I don't know how accurate they are, but it's already way better than 1% creators. I'll tell you that. Way, way, way better. Even though you're not sharing them, but it might be interesting if you check for the blue sky because they had also pretty high ratio for their creators versus lurkers. The one who signed up and never posted and then never came back. LOL, this gave me a good laugh. Do you think sometimes people are afraid to post on social media, or they're just too lazy? A lot of people are not comfortable using their own voice publicly, even though it's not public speaking, but the threshold is there. Who do you think is the dumbest person on AirChat? The one who signed up and never posted and then never came back. How do you access channels? I see people mentioning it. I found a few, but is there a directory? Yes, Channel Directory will be in the next release that comes out. We're just in App Store Review with both Google and Apple. Speaking of which, we've been stuck in Google Play Store Review for days now. So if anybody knows anyone who works at the Play Store, help us get through. There's your dark mode. There's your Channel's Directory, all sitting there and waiting.

[2:45:45] I was clearing out my stuff and I came across this sketchbook from 2022. And I remembered that I'd made this artwork, which I'd had a lot of fun drawing because I made this. The color in this is from older oil pastels that had gone dry. And by older, I mean almost 25 years old. So it was fun working my way with those dried up oil pastels. I guess this is my 13th edition to the thread. Number 15 in this thread, I call this the good Yakuza. This took about three hours of inconsistent work. I've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where I can just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all It also takes some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything It's not super simple. So I'm having I'm having withdrawal syndromes I'm having air chat withdrawal symptoms and the first thing that I did like Neeraj is I checked air chat in the morning So quickly scroll to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me. So I don't like it I don't like the withdrawal symptoms, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out y'all. Have a morning Listen, just without your air chat and just whisper into it like this.

[2:47:15] Nobody will be any wiser. Just in a little something. Just talk over your breath. They can't even hear you. I mean, you can even, like, go into some, like, doing the ventriloquism. Be like, oh, yeah, I'm trying to be a ventriloquist. There's lots of way to hide it. Like, I'm walking away from my kid right now. She doesn't even notice that I'm talking in air chat. If she knew, she'd be like, right here, going, hey, mom, what are you doing? What are you talking about? She can't even hear me. Trust me, it works. I think I need an intervention. Just so you all know, as one of the original addicted people, I've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where I can't just whip out AirChat and start listening to you all. It also takes some time to start listening and get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything. It's not super simple. So I'm having withdrawal syndromes. I'm having AirChat withdrawal syndromes, and the first thing that I did, like Neeraj, is I checked AirChat in the morning, quickly scrolled to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me.

[2:48:06] So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal syndromes, But I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a morning. Keith comes to your saving. He's doing already the sun rays when Brittany's taking a break. What are your thoughts on just open sourcing the algorithm? Okay, I'll open source it right here, right now. Everything is in your feed in reverse chronological order based on people you follow. That's literally it. That's the whole algorithm. I still think that my best hedge at these ones are not definitely done for. noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level, and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier when they still did proper productions and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time.

[2:49:05] No, no, no, no, no. I'll be patient. My birthday's around the corner. I've already told, I've hinted, so it shall be delivered. It will come out of my pocket anyway, but it shall be delivered as a gift. But no, no, no, I'm not asking for anyone to get it for me. Absolutely not. Sounds like Dawn's Birthday Dirt. I still think that my best headchairs, these ones, are not definitely done for noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level. And you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones that you can hear. done in the 90s and earlier when they still did a proper productions and mixing and the recording value was way higher at the time. Petri, if anybody loves me in this life, they would definitely, definitely know this. This idea is the kind of stuff I like. Man, like I want to have at least one pair of awesome, awesome earphones for music. Just pure beauty.

[2:50:20] like music deserves good headphones or earphones so yeah that definitely isn't my dream now it's there the universe knows actually you know what i'm gonna do i think uh like you know how people have smoke breaks they go out and smoke not that much in america but like europeans know what i'm talking about they're gonna have air chat breaks just go out on the street because nobody can see me and nobody can like be weird that i'm talking to a camera there's like an influence or something like a tiktok gen z um i'm just gonna take air chat breaks yep that's an idea hr breaks or if you're really old-fashioned you could say that you just take phone calls just so you all know as one of the original addicted people uh i've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where i can't just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all and also take some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything it's not super simple um so i'm having i'm having withdrawal syndromes i'm having air chat withdrawal syndromes and the first thing that i did like mirage is i checked air chat in the morning so quickly scroll to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me.

[2:51:19] So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal symptoms, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a good morning. Actually, you know what I'm going to do? I think, like, you know how people have smoke breaks? They go out and smoke. Not that much in America, but like Europeans know what I'm talking about. You know, I have air chat breaks. Just go out on the street because nobody can see me and nobody can like be weird that I'm talking to a camera as like an influencer or something, like a TikTok Gen Z. I'm just going to take air chat breaks. Yep, that's an idea. HR breaks. I'm interviewing Ashley St. Clair right here on air chat she's the operations manager at babylon b and author of elephants are not birds a great book for kids combating the transgender propaganda being pushed in many schools in the west today audience questions are welcome i'll post the best ones in my main thread with ashley for her to answer just so you all know as one of the original addicted people i've been very busy for the past two days and in very public settings where i can't just like whip out air chat and start listening to y'all and also take some time to start listening and kind of get into the groove and try to figure out the conversation trees and everything it's not super simple. So I'm having withdrawal syndromes. I'm having airchat withdrawal syndromes, and the first thing that I did, like Niraj, is I checked airchat in the morning, quickly scrolled to the thing to see where you guys are moving the conversation without me. So I don't like it. I don't like the withdrawal syndromes, but I'm definitely feeling signs of addiction. Peace out, y'all. Have a morning.

[2:52:30] If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode, and a duck mode, and the rest of it? I still think that my best hedger is these ones. These are not definitely done for noise cancelling, but a lot of people don't like them because they are actually made flat, so you will actually hear what's been recorded. There's no artificial amplification of any frequencies, but they are definitely in the next level, and you will hear stuff which you may not sometimes want to hear at all, or you don't think there was something, or even the old songs may completely sound like mind-blowing, and especially the ones done in the 90s and earlier, and they still did a proper production and mixing, and the recording value was way higher at the time. Okay, it's confession time. At least for the last few days, AirChat is one of the first things I think about as I wake up and change states, and I get this wave of giddiness wash over me thinking about everyone here. Turns out my head hurts.

[2:53:31] The integrated toolbox while recording is nice, but there's some serious issue. You cannot easily attach the photo because, well, you see it in the picture. So it's the pause play button is on top of it. So it's really hard, almost impossible to do it. If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode and a dark mode and the rest of it? The chipmunk idea is terrific. I think I'd like to have Theodore, Simon, and Alvin. Remember, Dave is out. It's a whole Hannah Montana type thing, so we shouldn't... Let's refer to him as Ryan. That way, no one will be able to find him or tag him. And then, just a quick question for you. For dark mode, is it still like getting a black bag shoved over your head when you first get in your car and then dragged out of it and wind up in Bogota? That's what it's like for me.

[2:54:20] Now, I did use Android last night, so I might have gotten a little toad venom on my fingers. It could be tripping. But yeah, it's just like being kidnapped. It's like a whole Slice of Pete thing, which is awkward. I noticed you've been following quite a many people. Maybe you are breaking the records. How is your feed? Can you give some experience how it looks like? Can you go back in your feed? I mean, if there's like 16K people, obviously everybody is active. So how many minutes, hours can you go back? How much are you missing stuff? Which is obviously a retrial question because you don't know. But give the good, bad, and the ugly. Hey Dawn, yeah so it didn't work for me. I've clicked on the link you sent and it just it takes me to the channel, but I still don't have access. Let's click the inward link and this is how it looked for me without me doing anything else. So this is what it looks like on my end. Alright guys, the latest mixtape is out. This one is called as "Greatness" featuring Nawal. Hope you guys like it.

[2:55:16] AirChat mixtape, hot new singles, just out, featuring our very own Dar. Enjoy. without the emotion, the feeling of hearing their words or seeing their body language. Was it like this when they were drawing the maps? I wouldn't worry too much about it if you don't find anyone. If you have something in your mind, do the tits storm, like a tweet storm. If there's a bunch of ideas, it's not just a random idea.

[2:56:04] Or put them in separate tits without putting them in a chain. And let it go out there. Then you can always pick it up. You can always link to it and you can also add to it. And if somebody finds it, that's perfect. You can also re-chit it yourself if you want to pump it up to the feed later on. And yes, if you want to have more like a conversation, that obviously requires that the person is online at the same time. Well, you can obviously synchronize that off-air chat and do that. But sometimes I've been having these back and forth, and it's really fun to do it. But it doesn't really require that you can pick it up later on. But certainly if you see somebody replying to your cheat, and they are online, and if you're lucky, then you can have the conversation. And those are the best ones usually. But I wouldn't just wait for that to happen. Just put it all out there. The best thing is that it's not like talking real life. It's not ephemeral in the sense that you say the words and they are in the wind. They will stay here and you can pick them up later and others can also start conversation around it.

[2:56:57] 100%. That is one of my life mantras. Embracing organized chaos. If there's a dark mode, could we also have a chipmunk mode and a duck mode and the rest of it? What's up, duck? Yeah, I got it. I was just joking towards the end. I'm like, I have zero interest in the kind of stuff. It doesn't move me. It doesn't inspire me. I really am inspired by reading from great people, which is what I use it for. I catch up with the news without watching the news. That's what I use it for. But on here, the thing I enjoy is engagement and talking to awesome people and meeting awesome people. I've made more good friends here than I've made in any of the other social media platforms I've used before. And I know Naval doesn't like to call this a social media platform, but it's the only term that comes to mind. It's something different, but it's enjoyable. And yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad to be here. By the way, did you already start to build something on the Blue Sky?

[2:57:48] I don't want to pick up on you on that one, but it sounded like you were curious and you were in the middle of debugging something and you just wanted to get rid of it. So I'm just curious whether you already have some kind of bots up and running and going. No, I haven't actually had a chance to play with that. I think my mind is so overloaded with all the Nostra stuff, um i think i think by the end of may i should be like back to a somewhat normal life but every day i'm busy with other coding stuff and when i'm not coding i'd rather just be talking because because you know how code goes um you get stuck in there you suffer you become stupid so you have to get out of it um to regain some perspective and then jump back in so i haven't opened it up to play with it but it's in my bookmarks here so it's like it's that and then there's that um open interpreter that was sent by jack milker um those are the two things that i definitely want to play with as soon as I have some free time. Ooh, the dark mode. Now we're talking. Is it really a dark mode if the voices are not dropped also an octave at you? One of the problems I'm finding on here is kind of like with voice chat on WhatsApp is unless you're online with the person, it's less of a conversation than it is like a monologue followed by a return monologue followed by a term monologue. I'm curious if anyone is finding a solution for this. Like, is the solution to just only share one idea, even when there's five ideas rattling off in your head, and then let someone respond, and then share another? Or is it just like, fully draw out the whole idea, and then let people digest it and respond? I wouldn't worry too much about it, if you don't find anyone. If you have something in your mind, do the tits storm, like a tweet storm, if there's a, you know, bunch of ideas, it's not just a random idea. Or put them in a separate chips, tits, without putting them in a chain and let it go out there then you can always pick it up you can always link to it and you can also add to it and if somebody finds it that's perfect you can also reach it yourself if you want to pump it up to the feed later on and yes if you want to have a more like a conversation that obviously requires that the person is online at the same time well you can obviously synchronize that off air chat and do that but sometimes i've been having these back

[2:59:56] and forth and it's really fun to do it but it doesn't really require that you can pick it up later on. But certainly if you see somebody replying to your cheat and they are online, and if you're lucky, then you can have the conversation. And those are the best ones usually. But I wouldn't just wait for that to happen. Just put it all out there. The best thing is that it's not like talking in real life. It's not ephemeral in a sense that you say the words and they are in the wind. They will stay here and you can pick them up later and others can also start a conversation around it. One of the problems with Twitter, which was my preferred medium, is that it's just so easy to fake it. You can literally sit there for a long time before you come up with a perfect 140 character thing, which, believe it or not, actually wasn't my style. I used to tweet off the cuff. But then I would see like 200 reply guys show up and just rephrase what I said in slightly different ways. Or I would see people copying the same content a year later, two years later. And you kind of want to say, really? Let's talk in person. Get in the ring. Get in your feet. Let's see how good you actually are. And that's what I think this app does. It really allows the people who are incredibly witty to really shine or the people who are incredibly empathetic.

[3:00:52] Like if you listen to Sifiway talk, you literally want to cry. This man is so wise. He's got such humility, such wisdom I'm about to destroy his account. Sorry Siphi Wei. But you know, there's just some incredible people. And that's the beauty of it. You can just wander around like a pier and make friends with some of the most amazing human beings on earth that you would never get to meet otherwise. I love Siphi Wei. He's got big golden retriever energy, like just a big happy ball of sunshine. And that doesn't come through on Twitter at all. I just went and checked out his Twitter. He's got like less than 100 followers. He doesn't post on there. And just to see him shine here and you can really hear his persona and feel that energy. It's like a big hug coming through the phone. It's just wonderful. What is the ideal post on AirChat? Is it just an offhand thought? Is it a question? Is it like an essay, a poem, a song? I really don't know. I'm trying to figure this out. What do people think? I think the format is discussion. You can initiate the discussion.

[3:01:42] Somebody else can initiate the discussion. You can pick up a conversation which has already happened in the past and bring something new into it and you put it into life. The forking of the discussion happens naturally when you're replying to something. So in that way, any city is a beginning of a new conversation. So this format is just basically about the voice. It's about heart to heart. It's about people to people. So the intention matters, your words matter, thinking matters. So I think it's more about ideas. It's about what do you want to convey? What do you want to say? That's more important than how you say it. Obviously, the format matters a bit. Don't make it too long because nobody will listen tweet bro you got to read the terms of service seriously one don't lick any android phones just don't do it gary was going around telling people lick their phones that's only on the iphone build and two if you listen to ksenia at one x she eats your soul i mean she eats it that's it that's why so many people used to roll off because we didn't have like they would come in and one x and boom she boils the water boom anyway stay safe out there buddy dude ksenia doesn't eat your soul you just want her to air chat is the resurgence of the salon format which i love and it is salon at scale how do you actually scale a voice conversation to thousands millions of people right where your wit and your ability to deliver a succinct impactful point matters and uh the thing is with air chat is like you can delete your message and then try another one right so if there was like a um survival mode with air chat where you can't delete what you say you have to get it right in the first take i would fucking i would sign up for that i would play air chat on survival mode for sure. I love the concept. It's a survival mode. First takes only. No undo. I guess that the closest is if you do a live conversation with someone which is sync and you just go by that ethics so you are not deleting anything. Personal request would be if it's the legendary icon from Halo with like the you know the grunt head and the two swords. I want to play in legendary mode. I'm so here for that. Ear chat support. I have a bug to report. I was trying to get into dark mode and I couldn't and my push to talk microphone stopped working so I'm attaching an

[3:03:49] image below excuse me ah image doesn't exist anyway um hopefully it's nothing bad and also I don't know I'm a little laggy like I scrolled through for a while and no one talked to me. I have had similar situation where something is not working and I call a technician he comes to visit and I'm trying to demonstrate the same problem to replicate it and it just works. I have I have no idea why it happens, many times. - Well, the demo effect I've been experiencing a lot is either demo effect or reverse demo effect where you're demonstrating something and it works, or it doesn't work, but it flips to the previous position when you're not doing that anymore. So if something was not working, and then you show to somebody who can fix it, that hey, look, this doesn't work, and then it works, or it's the other way around. So it's almost like the Schrodinger's cat situation where it's working and not working, but it depends who is looking at it, and that's the most annoying thing.

[3:04:42] Yes, that is the most annoying thing and it just makes you look like a fool right in the demo process. I hate it. Paige and Colby, this is your moment dude. Seriously, everyone, I don't think anyone in the universe knows more about Noster than Colby does. He did about... seriously, it's legit impressive. Colby, take it away dude. It seems that it's still possible to get to the old rooms of AirChat's previous version by the web version. They probably don't work here. Maybe you have to copy the link to a browser and consume it there. But let's try whether this link works. This is one of the two rooms. This is my room, but there's also Golgi's room. I can post it next if I can find the URL for that one. What I say here is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I reserve a corner of my mind that actually believes that people have largely bespoke realities or private simulations and that we are in a combined single-player slash multiplayer game where the game modes kind of touch in places but not completely. so there is a certain degree to which people actually have personalized bespoke experiences and the world is actually different for each person.

[3:05:50] And then what emerges when you interact with other players is a sort of hysteric cobbled together consensus reality, which doesn't always end up completely consistent. But yeah, I don't fully subscribe to this. It's just... I would say I'm in a superposition of belief on this. I don't actually believe it, but I kind of do, if that makes sense. What would be the way to test this hypothesis? Is there any way if the consciousness is choosing the pathway it goes through? Well, there are obviously intersections, but they're mainly within your own simulation. So even though they are overlapping experiences, they are still within your simulation. And if I'm playing with you and we're walking on the street, I'm still seeing it from my side. And we're just like, you know, whatever console game. We're seeing partly the same universe, but from our angles. And there might be elements which are just mine and yours. And even though we're interacting and having something in common.

[3:06:39] So is there any way to do that? So is it the same like with the multiverse and the splitting of the universes based on the fundamental particle coherence? So in that way, can we ever prove this hypothesis except with these good stories? Mine are usually with technology completely failing without any reasons. And even the telcos are just puzzled what happened and why, and they cannot explain things. And we actually had incidents where one of my parents would be handling a piece of malfunctioning technology. and as soon as I picked it up, it started working. Or my father would be struggling with something and he'd call out to me and the moment I walk into the room, it starts working. So maybe simulation, maybe magic, but this is far too consistent to be easily discarded. Maybe it's confirmation bias, who knows?

[3:07:31] But anyway, this seriously, seriously challenges my scientific rationalist worldview. Wait, am I the only one who drinks instant coffee? People are drinking instant coffee? Yo, there is nothing wrong with frat boy mode, and thank you for the compliment. I'm glad that you checked it out. The funniest thing that you may be known as a toothbrush guy here, and on other platforms and places, it's the music, not the "hey, you're only known from the latest thing" like the fashion saying goes. That does not look like the new toothbrush that I saw. I was ordered for you. Where's the new toothbrush? And why are you brushing your teeth in all your hair? That's kind of aggressive, but I'm more interested on the new toothbrush and if it's amazing or not. Hannah, do you need a toothbrush too? Is it a toothbrush gifting day? Or night, I guess?

[3:08:23] We're going to just get everybody toothbrushes on AirChat. That's what's going to happen. This is the longest post ever recorded on AirChat. I was asking how long we could go before we got cut off. and nobody knew. And someone told me to sacrifice myself for science. So here we go. I will continue talking until I am cut off or until I accidentally let go of the button. I actually started doing this like 10 minutes ago and I got a low battery notification on my phone and it stopped me. And all those beautiful words and beautiful thoughts that I was stringing together are completely lost like tears in the rain in a manner of speaking. So I'm just going to keep going. I'm going to just keep talking. I have no idea what I'm going to say, but that's kind of like what they do in the Congress, right? Like filibusters, they just talk and read the dictionary. And that's why we have such an amazing government. So I will keep talking and you'll keep listening because you don't have anything better to do for apparently. No offense. But so it's okay, right? I mean, this is the, this is how science progresses. Science doesn't progress by success. It progresses by failure.

[3:09:15] It progresses by people trying things and dying. It progresses by people falling over and then other people watching them and being like, oh, there's a rock there. I'm not going to trip on that. You know, the Wright brothers, right? The Wright brothers flew the airplane. We all, we, we honor them, they've got their, like, on money, whatever. But there was hundreds, dozens, whatever, people before them who taped, you know, feathers to their arms, they made cardboard airplanes, they jumped off cliffs, and they died. A lot of these guys died. And the people that came after them, like the Wright brothers, saw what they did wrong, modified, you know, their inventions just a little bit, and got it right to the point where it actually worked. And I feel like that kind of, martyr, right? I will probably not find or record the longest post in AirChat history. It's quite possible. I will fail. But I will get as close as I can, and I will add information to the next generation of pioneers, and maybe they will find what the time limit is. And that makes me feel not fulfilled, but hopeful, but optimistic. I feel like I'm part of a larger process that will carry on even after my voice fails, even after I collapse from exhaustion, even after my thumb starts bleeding because I'm pressing it into my phone so hard, other people will take what little findings I'm able to offer and they will expand upon it.

[3:10:32] And that is amazing, right? So here we are, like, we're just trying stuff, we're failing, and other people are building on top of that. So, and like you, like, why the heck are you listening to this? Most people, 95% of people probably saw the first two or three sentences, maybe gave the post a like and kept scrolling. But you, you are still here. And that makes me feel really good. Oh, wow. Oh, my voice, I'm feeling getting tight in my chest. My voice is getting hoarse. Oh, this is not looking good, guys. Like, I have not seen any indication that my torture is going to end anytime soon. There has been no visual feedback. There's been no audio feedback. My little avatar is still doing the little colorful rainbow blob thing, which means it is recording. I have my phone plugged in now, so I'm not going to be saved by some sort of low battery notification. And, uh, I guess a phone call. If someone called me right now, that would probably interrupt it. But otherwise I just have to keep talking. I'm going to have to find a way.

[3:11:30] Oh, I need to talk more in my chest or something. Oh my gosh. This is not a, whoa. Oh, okay. Oh, that's better. Yeah. I just got to, I just got to relax, got to relax the vocal cords. Not, let's not take it too seriously. This is a marathon, right? I saw the Boston marathon guy, The winner, you know, yesterday or whenever that was. And, you know, oh my God, like at the end, he was going so fast, but he was also relaxed. You could just tell how relaxed his body was, his posture. He was just at ease. And that's what enabled him to maintain that pace for so long, right? Plus amazing genetics and training. So that's kind of like me. I am a Boston Marathon winner, or at least a top 10 finisher, because I'm in it for the long haul. I'm just going to keep talking and talking and talking until the app cuts me off, right? Or until I just literally physically cannot continue.

[3:12:21] Now, there is a question, right? There's a question of sanity. When people do things like this, other people from the outside will often dismiss them as insane. But I would argue that the only sane people are the ones who are actually in the arena doing things. Like, man, I'm in the arena. That's a good quote. I could probably expand on that. I could probably come up with a whole speech about how the critic is not the person you should be respecting. The critic is the one, the eloquent critic. The eloquent critic is what everyone listens to. But the man, the dude, the dude in the arena, that's the guy you should be following. That's the guy you should be admiring. And that's what I am. I'm basically like the man in the arena. So I just can't believe how amazing that is. Like, isn't that so cool?

[3:13:09] Like, wow. Wow. that I am, I am the man in the arena. So anyways, shout out to Theodore Roosevelt for describing me so well. What a Chad. But okay. Oh, I know what I could do. I don't have any like books in front of me, but I do have, I do know quite a bit of poetry. I could recite some poetry. That might, that would probably be a way to keep talking. Cause like my mind is fried. Like I have absolutely nothing to say anymore. This is, this is crazy. Like it's just like, it's like when you have the 24 hour stomach flu. And you just like, you barf it all up in the toilet. And then, you know, you feel sick. And then a few hours later, I do barf some more. And a few hours later, you barf again. And then at that point, like you haven't drank or eaten anything for hours. And it's just like a little bit coming up, just like a little bit, you know, it's like just gone. And like, you're still like just dry heaving. Like that's basically where I'm at. Like my mind had a bunch of things to say. My mind had a bunch of words going on that it knew that it was like constipated, wanting to get out.

[3:14:01] It's out now. It's, it's gone. Like I already, it's all gone, dude. Like, I don't know what to, there's nothing left. I'm dry heaving. So we're just going to start off with a little poem by J.R.R. Tolkien. It's an elvish, so you're not going to understand a fucking word of what I say. But it's really beautiful. It's a beautiful poem, and maybe you'll enjoy it. It's called Namari. It's what Galadriel said to the people, like the dudes, when they were leaving from Mordor. And it goes like this. I lorei lanta lasi surinin inyare notamebe r Okay, so that's in English. It goes something like this.

[3:15:23] and mist covers the jewels of Calakiria forever. Now lost, lost to those of the east is Valimar. Farewell, maybe thou shall find Valimar. Maybe even thou shall find it. Farewell. Whew, okay, that was nice. That gave my brain a little time to work, um, to generate some more, more words. It's actually crazy how much you can think, like, when you have something memorized that well, like, your mind can keep thinking while you're just, like, vomiting out the word, uh, salad. So, yeah, one thing that came to me is, like, I am very skeptical that the AI is actually going to be able to transcribe like my, once I let go of the button, it is probably going to crash, which is the most unsatisfying conclusion. Like that means that there's some invisible line that I'm going to cross or have already crossed in which it will overwhelm the app and I'm going to let go and nothing's going to happen. That is so disappointing. And I'm just terrified that that has already happened. Like I've already crossed the line and I can keep going for like 10 hours, like three days, who knows what. And it's, it's, it's not going to do anything. So that, that's kind of in the back of my mind now. Like that, that's just a, that's like a little devil there, like just whispering evil, evil thoughts of just give up. Just, it's hopeless. It's not, the app is not going to tell you anything. You've already been talking 10 minutes. That's way too long. Just give up, give up now. Just go, you know, get us, make a sandwich, get a drink.

[3:16:43] There's absolutely no reason to keep going. And that is why we must say, not today, Satan. Say it with me. Not today, Satan. There we go. Yeah, we just, whenever you get that little voice in your mind, you gotta just smack it on the head and stick it in the box, just like that song says, right? If I had a little black box to put my Satan in, I'd take him out and smack his head and put him back again. There's a reason that we teach children songs like that. It has nothing to do with religion, right? It's all about science. It's all about science and the progression towards knowledge, which is what I'm doing. I am sacrificing my entire afternoon for you, for science, for the truth. And that is why, like, songs that teach children to smack the fuck out of the devil are actually, it's basically like neurobiology, right? It's almost like, it's like physics.

[3:17:34] And I think that should be taught in our schools. I think, I think, I think, oh, now I'm getting into politics. I think, I think probably exorcism should be taught in schools. I think probably voodoo. I mean, the traditional Haitian voodoo should be taught in schools. I think astrology is basically already taught in schools. I mean, it's fake. I mean, it's not because it's true. I mean, most things taught in school are probably not true anyways. So it's more about just the overall, you know, ideal of science, right? Like, I think that's what we're getting at. I mean, voodoo is basically just another name for, you know, chemistry or something, right? I have no idea what I'm saying anymore. Like, these words are literally, like, being generated by my unconscious. My conscious mind is often a quiet, happy, sunny place where there's no talking. And it's just my id, basically, just vomiting now, just spewing stuff.

[3:18:25] Which means it's probably time for another poem. So this is a famous poem. One of my favorite renditions of it is by Morgan Freeman. When he was on a podcast, he recited it from memory, which I will do as well. He did get a few of the words wrong, though, which, you know, you can't blame him, because, you know, he's an 80-year-old man, and he's been 80 years old for a long time. So my version is this. Oh, wait, I was going to do the wrong poem. It's called Invictus, and it says, Out of the night that covers me, black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance my head is bloody but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet the menace of the years finds me... I have both failed and succeeded. I have succeeded in making it one hour, so we now know that you can do at least one hour.

[3:19:15] I thought for certain that the transcription AI would crash. And at first it looked like it did. It said that it wasn't able to post it, and I just had this huge sinking feeling of just wasting an entire hour of my life. But I did not. It was not wasted. And you can now listen to my beautiful melodious voice for 60 minutes. Enjoy. Yeah, I didn't know there was a U in Elon Musk. But it seems legit, right? E. Lund. Musk. I'm sure that's a real account. Adopting from the Croucho Marx saying, any famous person following me is probably an imposter, so should not be followed. Another cool part about this flatter peer-to-peer model versus the one-to-many influencer one is you now have a lot more ability and propensity for people to be authentic and real in meaningful relationships.

[3:20:08] Because in the one-to-many model, you have more attachment to outcome of, oh, what can I say to just win this over? And again, that graduates away from that natural authenticity. If you believe in the natural law, and that which we transmit is that which we attract, then you get to the point where heads you win and tails you win. There's no way you can lose, because when you're transmitting your own natural frequency and energy out, you start having it reflected back to you. That's the physics term of resonance, when you drive the highest amplitude at the natural frequency, which is actually the term. when some of the famous people you know from movies or otherwise popular public persons and they start to do reels instagram reels and this was particularly when covid was going on it was like the moment of never media heroes some of them really scientists you were like wow this person is really good in life as well and you know authentic and witty and smart and for nine yards but then there were maybe even more these completely opposite reactions where it was just better to close to the life when i say favorite i don't mean in terms of the entertainment value i really meant it in a way that like it it shows us and um it shows us something about the world and reality and history and the experiences of some of gives us a window into like what people have experienced and are experiencing in in wars and like i've i've been really going down um consuming a lot of like just like simple youtube documentaries about uh world war ii stories and there there are so so many like really and there's so much um yeah depth and like so much to so so many interesting stories about like everyday people like having these experiences especially like um like world war ii like bombers and fighter pilots um so uh just like documentaries even made by like small youtube channels are really um discovering a lot of interesting history uh here's a try I thought about the movie. I haven't seen it actually myself. It just has created the golden era of playback artists or scammers. Hey wow, Elon Musk followed me on here. Elon. I didn't know his

[3:22:20] name was Elon. Is that like a South African? Elon sounds to do his tits by playback. Sometimes with the music so nice try elon so far caster has one client what is it called warp caster and it's closed source correct me if i'm wrong and then we've got blue sky which runs on they call the at protocol and i think blue sky is the only client for that and then we have mastodon and i don't even bother with mastodon because you don't even own your data if the server owner bans you that you're done so we have a joke on Nostra it's called Mastodont so god we're geeks okay so when you look at it like that I mean this is the landscape you got these three guys and then you got Nostra and on Nostra there's like a million clients so and it's all bitcoin based like we got the fundamentalists over here and don't get me wrong there's a lot of like front end devs that are over their head that aren't purists and don't truly understand like the principles but their heart is in the right place and they're surrounded by those types of people you know, the Bitcoin purists. And I think those types of fundamentals are important for not muddling something up with tons of unnecessary complexity. Don't get me wrong, lightning was a bit complex, so we're not perfect, but I think it's just the base, man. It's so simple. You just sign a note and you store the note on a computer and the computer just checks for different types of notes. One note represents your tweets, another note represents a like, another note represents a zap. It's very simple and then it all expands from there. So that simplicity combined with the Cambrian explosion of clients and the fact that Nostr was literally trending on GitHub with ChatGPT last year during the client explosion, I think it's lined up as the underdog.

[3:24:13] This bumped into my feed so here's a list of Blue Sky clients. The feature idea for tagging on chits. When you're trying to find a person, it would be nice to somehow indicate those ones which you are following and maybe sort them and rank them first so they are quick to find. Because icons are pretty small and some people have the same names, so sometimes it's really hard to find who is who. Also notice that one of these latest versions changed that you cannot edit the chit after a while. So if you for example mistakenly tagged someone or you want to remove the tag, that's not possible anymore. reach out and touch faith how long does it take that there's a threat on air chat where the complete song is singed by the people here maybe one sentence per time and on air chat it's not rude to leave your comment because others can just ignore them so it's not a social conversation breaker you're absolutely right Petri, thanks to you I'm inspired I'm going to make some content today and just start yapping.

[3:25:20] Any Depeche Mode fans in here? The music is also transcribed. Wow. I haven't seen this before. Is this a new feature? Before the launch, I talked a lot on here, but after, I think, the launch brought in a ton more people, people I look up to, respect, I think are cool. I think I'm a little bit more shy on here now. And on air chat, it's not rude to leave your comment because others can just ignore them. So it's not a social conversation breaker. You're absolutely right, Petri. Thanks to you, I'm inspired. I'm going to make some content today and just start yapping. I hope they don't do ads, but instead introduce paid plans with some extra features so that users will be able to subscribe to those. And that's how air chat would monetize.

[3:26:08] But yeah, we'll see. maybe there would be some other more exciting avenues to monetize in the app. If I keep my answer, please subscribe to this weird kizmo. They are sponsoring me and now getting back to the message. Yeah, it would be totally, completely weird to have AirChat ads between in the middle and at the end of chat posts and in the feed. Sure, a listener can still get something out of it and will, and we will build a better listener experience. Eventually, you will just be able to go into AirChat, you'll have your favorite people, you'll have their best conversations, and you'll just hit the play button, and you can just put it on background like a radio and you can just listen. Or you can lurk for a long time until something really interesting comes up and you can just jump into it. Or you can use a channel or even one of our curated channels like the fishbowls to find the answer to some question that's been bothering you. You can use it to get advice. You can use it to get, you know, astrology reading, whatever. So there are lots of ways you can get something out of it passively. But.

[3:26:59] The but is that now you can make friends on the internet. You can meet a new person and you can get to know them more quickly and more easily than you ever could online before. with your voice naturally. You can see how they perform in natural situations. You can see them in conversation with other people. You can figure out their vibe, their fit, their personality, and you can connect with them at a human level. This is the best place for making new friends on the internet. Full stop. Find me a better place to make new friends on the internet. Codesets are wormholes to another time and place, but in conversations. Well, that's definitely the first for me and maybe even for AirChat. Today at Tech Summit, I was recognized in the crowd by Stranger purely from my AirChat voice. Wow, that was so funny. I was just talking about it a few hours before you posted it. Well, that's definitely the first for me and maybe even for AirChat.

[3:27:52] Today at Tech Summit, I was recognized in the crowd by Stranger purely from my AirChat voice. Hey, this is Van Jones. I am really excited to be a part of this. Still trying to figure out exactly what it is, but it looks cool. You know, the earth is made of stone, but the world is made of stories. So I'm always looking for new stories, new storytellers, and maybe I'll find some here. I hope so. Anyway, thanks for letting me in. Yeah, well, it's actually... Hang on, let's back up for a second. 30,000 people metric or imperial? 30,000 people with two feet. Help, someone is trying to distract me from air chat. It'd be really nice if you could somehow add emojis to this. It'd just add so much more delight for me. Very personal ask. Maybe nobody else wants it, but it'd be cool if you could explore it, Sigil 1. You know, it's funny.

[3:28:39] Users have hacked our system to create name tags that anyone can mention. So if you search up the emoji, like some users just have it as their name, and you can just add it because it mentions their name. You guys are creative. I love it. So this is tonight's third episode of Fallout Lore, and we're going to dive a bit into history of Fallout 1 and 2 because Vassim asked an excellent question that I tried to answer. and then realized, oh my god, there is so many moving parts, there is so many absolutely random and brilliant coincidences that led to that happening, that we might as well just unpack the whole thing in a new episode of Fallout lore. And here we go. And I don't want to just focus on Lucas. There's like a whole crew of really funny people surrounding him. There's like Elmo, there's growing Daniel, who's a little more R-rated.

[3:29:28] You know, there's a lot of good characters in this app. There's Kenzie, I forget, there's like people who stay in character. like there's that avatar airbender guy there's just some really imaginative people on here really imaginative and no well very few accounts are yet even starting to use video to do interesting things so i can't wait to see what they do there but if you're just a witty funny person like if you're a good conversationalist this is your place one of the problems with twitter you know which is which was my preferred medium is that it's just so easy to fake it you can literally sit there for a long time before you come up with the perfect 140 character thing which believe it actually wasn't my style. I used to tweet off the cuff. But then I would see like 200 reply guys show up and just rephrase what I said in slightly different ways. Or I would see people copying the same content a year later or two years later. And you kind of want to say, really? Let's talk in person. Get in the ring. Get on your feet. Let's see how good you actually are. And that's what I think this app does. It really allows the people who are incredibly witty to really shine or the people who are incredibly empathetic. Like if you listen to Sifi Wei talk, you literally want to cry. This man is so wise. He's got such humility, such wisdom. I'm about to destroy his account.

[3:30:26] Sorry, Sifi Wei. But there's just some incredible people. And that's the beauty of it. You can just wander around like a pier and make friends with some of the most amazing human beings on earth that you would never get to meet otherwise. So we have this huge divide now. There are the mega, mega stars in society, the ones who can make a huge living being stars. And then there are all the people who get nothing. And I think that when you have a peer-to-peer platform that flattens the hierarchy much more, then you have a chance for a larger number of people to make a living, like Priyanka with her singing and her art and, you know, all the comedy, of course. There's gonna a lot of different kinds of artists here who I hope will be able to have moderate size fan bases that they have a personal touch with. Basically, anyone who can create anything or even conversationally can connect with people can now do it with maybe a few hundred or a thousand people as opposed to just tens of people or, you know, a hundred people. But it's going to increase their reach by a factor of 10. But it's not the case where it takes the best person and increases their reach by a factor of a hundred thousand. Although that could happen, but I think it's going to be a flatter hierarchy you here. All of that said, I fundamentally don't think this is an influencer platform. This is really about talking to and connecting to other people. It's a social messenger. Like when you're messaging with someone on WhatsApp or Signal or WeChat or whatever, it's flat. You're just talking to another human being. You're not above them. You're not below them. You're not looking to collect fans. People who have a lot of followers or are following a lot of people in this app actually have a negative experience because they have too many people talking to them. It's like being at a party and you get mobbed. It becomes overwhelming after a certain point. You can't engage in an in-depth conversation with anybody. And which is also kind of why we have these fishbowl channels, right, where you can sort of be hanging out with your small group, other people can kind of peek in and eventually make the barrier more permeable. So you'll be able to pull people in or, you know, go out for a conversation. But you do need to have like smaller and smaller rooms as you get more and more popular, because otherwise, your time just doesn't scale. Again, this is about conversations. This is not about talking to other people. We have this idea that every social media platform should be about influencers and hierarchy. That is completely wrong. That's just the way the internet has developed so far. That doesn't mean that that's the only way to do social on the internet. Absolutely. I agree that it'll be a comedian, but I don't think it'll be a stand-up comic. A stand-up comic stands on stage and broadcasts. I think it's more like the performers who work the audience, like in those shows like Sleep No More or at a Circus when you'll have

[3:32:31] people going through and talking in the audience, or if you're in Washington Square Park in New York and the performer is right up and close next to you. So for that reason, I don't think it creates the same kind of star, but it does create a different kind of star, someone who interacts with the audience to create their content. I mean, I don't want to butter them up, but my favorite account on here right now is Lucas, because the guy is just always on. And he's not only funny, but he's witty. And, you know, he's insightful. And he's got some good competition. I mean, there's some accounts on here that are, I would say, equally funny, but they cross the line sometimes. There's some brilliant, brilliant voice actors and characters already on here. And I think we've become sort of an attraction point for everyone who would have been a great star before the media business came along. And what the media business did was it turned to a certain kind of performer, and it made them winner take all. And it took every other performer, every other kind of artist and relegated them to nothing. Yeah, funnily enough, it's actually Gary Tan who introduced me to Mixprite 3.

[3:33:22] And, well, the mic is not by him, but that was when the clubhouse came about and he upgraded my stuff. Are you recording audio through the mixer on your computer? Is that hooked into your phone? Well, it's actually both, but the main connection is between the mobile device and the audio interface. but I have also plugged in the computer to the audio interface as an audio source so I can play music or sound effects or something coming from the computer and then I can hear it here as well. So I have some audio effects and some music and stuff I even put today and they came from the computer. But they were recorded directly on the AirChat via the audio interface. I'd forgotten how much I hate traditional media until I read a few articles published about them in the past couple of days. negativity sells, clickbaits sells, and there's usually not enough time to do proper journalism nowadays.

[3:34:16] Yeah, funnily enough, it's actually Gary Tan who introduced me to Mixpride 3, and, well, the mic is not by him, but that was when the clubhouse came about and upgraded my stuff. What has been your most efficient setup? Because I've been hosting spaces, I do everything on my phone. I don't like the sound quality right now, especially when I don't have a mic as far as a headphone. But what are you using as far as like a real setup for good quality sound when you're either doing a podcast or Spaces or Clubhouse or hosting, you're talking on this? If you want to test your ears, pick up the best headset you have. And then on this, this block blast has five different audio sources. And try to guess which is which. I recorded four of them at the same time and one in a separate session because of a technical issue with my USB hub. was broken, but it's basically the same stuff and it should sound completely different and most likely to be surprised and also disappointed of the results. I think you're both right, the voice component actually creates a lot of empathy and accountability. And actually if you look at Clubhouse, that was part of the theory too, is like oh we're using our voice, we're not going to be as mean to each other, but Clubhouse was somewhat ephemeral in that it was real time, people weren't thinking through what they were saying, they got heated, they got angry, and they spoke up. In this case, it's a little different. It's async, so you have time to think through your thoughts, hopefully not speak out in an emotional state, but also you know it's permanent and it's replayable. And so I do think there might be more stability on average. But it's early days too, and when it's early, it's always nice and shiny and people are happy and that will change.

[3:35:50] The previous chitties for my setup, and this is something I put together last year because there was quite many people asking about it. And there are now other options, and everybody has a different voice. So what works for me may not work for you. So I'll put it together so you can get it even for free if you like, and check it out. Actually, I'm meeting with my partner this week and talking about the kind of media we want to create. And one change is that AI is coming that could ingest a YouTube video in less than a minute and watch it and summarize it for you, right? and so now we're like oh do we do long videos just for AIs and there's I think there's something there right and I'd certainly like your idea of giving me a summary of the day that's happened here tell me you know you know give me five uh air chats I really should listen to for instance and take me right to why I should listen to them um I'm using uh rewind now it's called something else they just changed their name and I keep forgetting the new name but I'm using rewind AI on my Macintosh to listen to my meetings and it records my meetings in video and audio and then it writes a transcript and then it summarizes those and it's quite quite magical on the summary I use it in my business meetings with uh with my partner um and it summarizes what we did that in the last two hours right and it's quite quite useful so I hope you get what you want a summary tool I wish I had that for all my lists you know hey hey Grock uh show me you know tell me uh uh Tell me if any company on the AI company list announces anything new today, right?

[3:37:19] Well, they should be able to do that because it's just a bunch of patterns. Introducing, announcing, launching, right? You have an AI that watches for some of the keywords like that. It can find announcements pretty efficiently. That's what I do, right? And AI can do what I do faster and better. So great idea. I really hope we get these summary tools much more deeply integrated here and on X and Facebook and wherever else we need to be summary, where we need to save time on consumption of content. I want to jump in here really quick because another really cool summary tool that I've come across recently is called JellyPod. And it's really good if you subscribe to a lot of newsletters. So I subscribe to a lot of AI-related newsletters, the Rundown, the Neuron, things like that. I'm probably subscribed to 20 different AI newsletters.

[3:38:08] And what JellyPod does is it gives you a unique email address. You go and subscribe to a whole bunch of email newsletters with this unique JellyPod email address. And then what it does is every single day, it makes you a little five to 10 minute audio podcast episode where it breaks down all of the news, all of the information from all of the newsletters that you subscribe to. So in one 10-minute podcast, you can quickly summarize 10 different newsletters on a single topic, and you can go and create different podcasts for different topics. So you can have like an AI podcast where you subscribe to a bunch of AI newsletters, creator podcast where you subscribe to a bunch of YouTuber creator newsletters. So a really, really cool tool that is still way under the radar. I think it might just be one person or a very small team building it, but really, really handy, really useful. I get the podcast delivered to me on my phone. And once a day, I get a nice little recap of here's all of the news going on in the AI world, according to all of the AI newsletters I'm subscribed to. So just another one to take a peek at.

[3:39:00] I think it's really cool, but still way under the radar. It was a life-changing experience. Live TV trains you to think on your toes, and it just gives you superpowers in public speaking and all that. So it was really cool. Also makes you realize how BS a lot of talking heads on TV are. Half the time, I didn't know anything about what they were asking me, and I had to pick out the spot. So super interesting, wildly interesting experience. Good morning, Air Chatters. I have achieved 90 minutes of sleep, and I am back and ready to spam your timeline with more messages. That sounded like a good old-fashioned radio DJ voice from the 80s. Hi, everybody. Please welcome Paul Davison and Rohan Seth, pioneers of the live audio format on Clubhouse, onto Air Chat. Welcome, gentlemen. Hope you're well.

[3:40:17] than a year are slim, at least based on app development. My brothers and I were the first Apple child laborers. This happened back in 1978 when my mom got a job from a woman named Hilde Licht, who still owns or runs a contract electronics company here in Silicon Valley. Well, back in 1978, she got a job from Apple to build Apple II motherboards and because Apple ran out of capacity in their factory, I learned later from Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, and she hired housewives in Silicon Valley to build these motherboards and my mom was one of those housewives. We lived in Cupertino, California and lived there from 1971 to 1979, obviously before Apple started, and My dad was an engineer back then working at Lockheed Martin, and he built a workstation for my mom to solder these motherboards.

[3:41:21] And she paid my brothers and I a dollar a motherboard to stuff them full of components. You know, we'd put the CPU in and we'd put transistors and capacitors and all sorts of little components in the right way. And it took some skill, but not a whole lot of skill. You had to make sure the transistors were put in the right way and in the right holes, that kind of thing. It wasn't that hard a job, but it was something to do. Well, we all watched TV in the evening and earned a little extra money. And then she would solder them. And then she would pay us to cut the leads off the bottom of the motherboard. Because if you put it like a transistor in or a resistor, it would have two leads sticking out the other side. Once you solder them, you had to cut them off. And so we would cut them off. And then once we were done with that, we would stick them in the dishwasher and wash the flux off of them. Later, I mean, later I got to meet Steve Wozniak and I actually met him in a community college parking lot, which is sort of a weird story. I'll tell some other time. But later I got to interview him in front of Berkeley's business school. And we talked about this. And he said those motherboards had fewer failures than the ones that their own factory made. So a little fun story. If I didn't do that job, I wouldn't be who I am today.

[3:42:33] I wouldn't have met Steve Wisnack in a community college parking lot. I wouldn't have known who he was. I knew who he was because I fell in love with his mother ports because they were the most beautiful thing I had ever seen up to that point. You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself. Is this an actual feature? I think this would be awesome to capture personal notes. Yes, it is a new feature. Probably first on an iPhone, but I'm not sure whether it's in the app store yet. Siegel, you guys need a social media manager and basically, I think maybe a social media board, so that everyone who has a significant following on any given social media platform can boost each other's posts and boost the whoever's running the AirChat social media profiles can boost those posts as well. That is the way to do it.

[3:43:23] There is a strategy to operating social media that I can support on. What do you mean? The future of social media is here. If you're looking backwards, that's where the rest of the media is. Who wants to do the old stuff? Because it doesn't matter. It's the legacy. No, the old stuff is just the carrot to lead people here. And I agree with you. I live on Twitter. Alex, that could be even a hot take here. That's awesome, man. I'm curious, how do you go about ingesting as much AI news as possible to distill into one of these Thursday Eye episodes? I live on Twitter. No, I'm sorry. It just said ER chat. Please someone can teach me how to say ER chat. Yeah, I would love to say it well and get it well transcribed.

[3:44:21] What's Twitter? with your ex-social media. Benny, I was a young kid in the 1980s and I remember those lines used to exist and I thought they were a great idea but I couldn't use them because I couldn't afford them and I always loved the concept and you're absolutely right, AirChat is inspired by the party lines. So welcome back to the 1980s. I'm glad we're here together. Long distance was expressly prohibited. We would not dare. We wouldn't dare. But when I was 16 I got a job at a real estate company on the weekends, answering phone calls, copy editing, the realtor's stuff. And then when everybody was out showing houses, I would call Hartford to my favorite radio station, WHCN, and I would request songs. And once I even won concert tickets. It was a good time to be alive. As someone who's never been at a startup, but I've always admired the whole industry from afar, it's just very cool to see how everything comes together. And on that note, I am quite curious about the structure and the goings on inside of the company.

[3:45:17] Like how do you guys manage things, make sure things progress in a timely way? Who's in charge of making sure things are shipped at certain deadlines or in a timely way? I'm curious about all that kind of organizational stuff. We're completely disorganized. It's mayhem in here. I had a shower thought that if English is your second language, you can pretty much choose what accent you want. Like for those of us who are native English speakers, that would be pretty socially unacceptable. But I think it'd be kind of funny, you know, to like choose like a deep south American Cajun accent or something. Or something like the Manchester Hull or Scottish accent if you're picking from England. You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself.

[3:46:09] Now I have a feature request. Would someone make it so you can export the personal chat in a compatible file? That would be awesome in terms of having this journal of sorts. Funny and not so funny, if you were to dev. Anyone else wondering what's the reason that EarChat just naturally gels and resonates in the teens to thirties cohort? And the ear gets a lot thinner in forties and up. I'm still scratching my head over this. I can't tell if it's a tech thing, a generational difference, or if it's an introvert, extrovert thing or something else. The instantaneous nature of back and forth and the voice as an easy and quick interface, I think that appeals to the younger generation's voice in general. Obviously, it might go for older generations, but I think for the older generations, it might be also the fear of talking publicly and the nature of it.

[3:47:04] it's just too unfamiliar. They haven't put their faces and voices and texts on Twitter's and YouTubes and TikTok's in public. They've been doing that more in a private surroundings, on private groups and within their friends and family. Are you sure the challenge is 30 days air chat? I was thinking the challenge would be 30 days without air chat. I think the challenge lies on the battery of my phone. Before I use air chat, I normally charge my phone overnight. I can use it the whole day without any problem. After I use air chat, I have to charge my phone two or three times during the day. I think voice actually consuming more energies, more electricity. This is fun. On a side note, I'm at Niagara, Canada side. And we have this company event called Blue Cat Kickoff. And so it's like a big event. I knew you meant at the beginning of the fiscal year, we kick off. We gather everybody together. We kick off. We celebrate the wins of last year. We have fun for three days at Niagara, Canada.

[3:48:23] And I'm going to share some photos of it. And just to share a little bit. I don't think I need a long post. So I'm going to stop here and continue with another one. Thank you for listening. The priority piece is that you have a regular phone and then you have an iPad which has a huge battery. So that way you always have one device good to go and talk. I've been wondering to myself, why is AirChat so collegial? Is it because we can only invite people that we actually have their phone numbers to? And there's this implicit culture of introducing people that we've invited? Or is it because the founding team actually goes out of their way to like and repost chits that they think make up a great vibe? And of course, they themselves are great role models like Nabil and Sigil and Brian trying to set the tone right. I think there are a couple of lessons here that we can learn when building a new team or onboarding someone to a new team.

[3:49:14] Still need to think it through. There's been test users for quite a while already, and they've been probably helping to set the tone and the culture. But most of all, it's the founders who've been picking the team and who've been also picking handpicking the first pill testers of the app. So all these are part of the feeling experience. Hey, Mark. I think this is an interesting conversation that you're raising here because it has ironic parallels to the human AI pin versus Marcus Brownlee conversation that's also happening right now. I'll link it here, but I don't know. I'm not sure that journalists have a responsibility to entrepreneurs, even if they're young startups that are up and coming. I think that's PR. I wonder if, you know, like I think journalists, their modus operandi is to focus on the truth, asking hard questions and getting answers for the audience. Right. And not to equate at all AirChat with Humanae Aipin.

[3:50:08] I mean, I love AirChat and the experience of it. And I really wanted to succeed because I'm getting a lot out of it. I've made friends here already, even in such a short period of time, etc. And maybe journalists, some journalists are not like speaking to that, but I'm not sure that that's their job, right? I don't know. I'm really glad you brought this up. I think Marcus Brownlee is a national treasure and his reviews are epic because they focus on the product. He dresses down Fisker, Human AI pin, goes through, he just shares his experience. I would love to have reporters in a Marcus Brownlee type fashion review the experience of AirChat. That's the point. That's what I was kind of getting at. I have no idea what the terms and conditions are of the human AI pin. They're probably pretty interesting and pretty gnarly. You're wearing this camera on your body all the time. It's much more intrusive than what we're doing here. And my criticism was because this, I, you know, it's like, I'm not afraid of truth. I'm not afraid of someone diving into this product and pulling it apart in a Marcus Brownlee type of way that, you know, takes, have someone use AirChat for a week and then here's my experience for it. That would be amazing. Also, I don't know if you saw like 10 hours ago or whatever, he posted a video like do negative reviews kill companies. And he has a really good point in there. He's like, look, companies should live or die by their products. And a few negative reviews should not take a company down. If the product is good and their customers like it, it will live. And I agree with him on that. I'll link that back here too. It is interesting though. I mean, I like the tension between a free press and companies. I would never suggest for the press to change their kind of acute way of observing companies. I think they are a huge benefit to helping us as consumers kind of get a clear picture of things. They do fight the good fight. They do ask the hard questions. I was definitely challenging like okay that's cool question but let's let's actually review the product let's tell the story of the product and let's like have a conversation about what this thing is because i think for me i just think it's way more interesting like i said earlier uh here i'll go ahead and link that how are people on here following like 1k plus or 11k plus people like where are you finding that

[3:52:15] many people is this from like your discovery feed or did the onboarding change what's going on if you follow the founders brian and naval that's how you can find a lot of people and they also talk rating by replying to a lot of posts. So that's a really good way of discovering new people as well. Hey everyone. So I saw some intros and realized I didn't introduce myself yet. So my name is Kallar. I grew up in Vancouver, Canada, and I've always been obsessed with space. After high school, I decided to full-time gap year where I learned a ton. I lived in SF hacker houses like Genesis, where I was also where I seeded my first company. I dabbled in crypto for a bit. I went to my first crypto conference, EVE Denver, 2022, where actually Sejal and I caught COVID while rooming together. Yeah, those were fun times. But today I go to UC Berkeley where I study Electrical Engineering and CS. I'm currently working on projects aiming to build the first cities on Mars. So right now I'm working on a rover to collect regolith and turn into sulfurized concrete for an outer shell of a Martian habitat, as well as a NASA payload that we're sending later this year aboard Virgin Galactic. On the side, I really love flying drones and making short films. So if anyone wants to go hiking and fly drones in the bay, let me know. describes themselves in their profile. I'm waiting for the day when the lie detector analyzer is implemented on AirChat based on your voice. What comes to the engagement mechanism, you will only see posts by the people who you're following. So the web of trust is implemented here. And what comes to your feed is the people you follow, if they reply or they engage with some people outside of your network, you will see those. Then you can also join channels, can give you exposure to topics like AI and books and what's already in there. So this way you can also explore and get new stuff. This is actually genius. This is what I wanted for every single social media platform I've ever used. And no, it's just a step. You didn't have to even ask. That's great.

[3:54:18] Yeah, the same thing is on Nost as well, some of the clients, Nost 2, Iris, and I'm not sure whether Damos has also been implementing it. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. Okay, now this is something I can get behind, but is this an iOS feature or something? I can't seem to send a message to myself on Android. Yeah, it's on iPhone at the moment. A dark turn of events. Stop flexing at me. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. The disappointment, you can actually get some work done. You don't need to bother others with your posts, you can just post them to yourself. I wish AirShed can always stay small. It really feels like a friend group.

[3:55:08] It stays if you only follow a handful of people. I know it's all a work in progress. I'm just saying from a thematic standpoint. The idea of channels being private yet in the main feed doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have the same notion, it's like the previous rooms, but on the other hand then when they are user-made and moderated and admin, then it's up to the admin to do that. It's proven, EARCHAT can make Britons happy. I've heard about it for a while now, so this is the push that I needed to actually try it. AirTrap badly needs like a 2x or 3x speed up button because everyone talks really slow relative to how fast most people can read. How do you think we do our work while we're waiting for the slow 3x? We do the work. That's the parallel async mode. There's this thought process that pitch decks should include a "why now" section, which is like a "why now" is the right time for this technology or product to be built.

[3:56:09] I'm personally not a huge believer in that because I don't know, it just seems kind of stupid to have to tell people why now is the right time let them figure it out for themselves, or they probably already decided by then to get to that page, anyway, I just thought it was funny in terms of AirChat the why now for AirChat is that this audio transcription technology didn't exist previously and so this entire thing wouldn't have even been possible so, you know, these guys can put that in their pitch deck as if they need it, but I just thought that was pretty funny I don't think we need why now. Period. Well imagine you being Benz or you being the bell with the telegram or phone or with the guy inventing the car and you're having these slides and people are looking at you like crazy. What are you talking about? You don't need to bother others with your posts. You can just post them to yourself. As if I need an app to talk to myself. Ha! That's the spirit. talking to each other on the phone. And you could eavesdrop into any conversation. And at any point, you could make a bid to enter that conversation. And if your bid was successful, then you could end up talking to one of those people. That's what's going on here. What matters is the immediacy of hearing those conversations and having the opportunity to get in there. It's just about finding a connection, making a connection, and having a connection with another human.

[3:57:29] Back in the 80s, we had these things called phone chat lines. You paid about $2.99 a minute to talk to whoever you wanted to, and everybody was chattering around you. And then you could pay a little bit more to go off on a side call and then your mom and dad would get the bill and it would be like four or five hundred dollars and then your ass would be in a lot of trouble. So yeah it's kind of like that but a lot more organized. Is this party lines the AI style? Is the 80s starting to finally recycle? Is Gen X gonna have our day in AI technology? My heart Swooneth, this is why I love millennials and those below. Y'all rock. Looks like the new self DM is live. Just talk. To yourself. Everybody wanna be somebody. So there's like a take and hide going on with Zips. Light and a dark mode. Petri, I saw that, I saw that. It is dark here, but not dark enough. I want it dark everywhere.

[3:58:31] Wow, that's dark. Good one, good one. I love that. I still don't have the dark mode. I just updated my app. My Indian friends there, have you got the dark mode on? Isn't it getting dark already? I want it to be dark. It's not. I like it. I like it. There was a time when actually no one on this platform could pronounce the word bicycle, mainly because of a system-wide lisp, but actually because Cameron, I think, had masked it out of the transcription database. However, wait a minute. Hear me out. What if we take the words LinkedIn and we mask it over just to be polite? And when people say LinkedIn, it's fine, but it gets transcribed as Jesus fucking Christ, go back to Clubhouse.

[3:59:21] No, I completely missed that. Maybe it was before my time. A dark turn of events. Yeah, I guess you just called me hot. Technically correct. That's the word if your pants are on fire. Where are you located? Maybe it hasn't hit my region of the app store yet. I'm in Texas. I'm not part of AirChat, so I don't have those privileges. But personally, I switched back to light mode, so you're not missing much. You will not see some fonts while you're typing and stuff like that, so it's not polished. So you will live with the light mode. 10-4. I'll take part two. No farmer in history has ever stayed up at night wondering about the chicken and the egg problem.

[4:00:13] But I guess they haven't figured out the complexity of helper spaces and how many vectors can be involved in a dirty dozen of X. A dark turn of events. It's the iOS version and it might be only test flight at the moment. I'm not sure. I switched back to light mode because search box was, well, the box wasn't disappearing, but you couldn't see anything when you're typing, so it's not perfect. But I also have, you know, my custom instructions have some stuff that's relevant to how I like my code to be generated as well. Soon we will see who are the light and who are the dark persons. One of my favorite things about great hotels are pillow menus, so I can try out all different types of pillows and see what works best for me. I have a sleep coach and I really struggle with sleep, so this is a great way for me to test out something new without having to commit. Oh, that's a sensor.

[4:01:04] What I was showing on the U-Bed is actually a customizable bed. so the mattresses you can make it as soft or as hard and I don't know what else you can actually customize with it so it's for hotels and hotels been using it so it's supposed to be really good I haven't tested it myself a dark turn of events battery and unity you are crazy guys you have such a long conversation I tried to follow but it's like too long there were videos so it was not exactly the audio only version so that adds to the gigabytes It's proven AirChat can make Britons happy. Okay, got it. Good morning. And if we ever do, then we know whether we have the first LinkedIn poser here. Congratulations on the new job.

[4:01:57] Getting too attached to your identity is a double-edged sword. It can hurt you or it can help you. But for now, I identify as immortal. and I only do things that an immortal would do, and I'm good with that. It seems you're already floating like an immortal thanks to air chat and all the hot air. You just properly walked on the water. Was it two hours yesterday? Dubai is the strongest magnet for all of the biggest eagles of the world. Yeah, if it would be a black hole there would be no water issue at the moment, so the vortex hasn't exactly emerged yet, neither the drainage. There ain't no way anybody else is using the app for eight and a half hours a day. Well, let's wait for Naval's response. There ain't no way anybody else is using the app for eight and a half hours a day. The launch weekend was pretty wild.

[4:02:54] This is a good sign. Kevin is cooking and the hot air is steaming, but the only thing we see here is the air. I noticed that the joke might be that the Italians are enjoying the espressos in a social setting in real life and the rest of Europe are drinking and spending time on air chat. Now I get it, it's actually the ALGO. That's how they're learning the LLM and training it. So they are allocating and dedicating one single word for a user. And that user then will be the one to train the system for that particular one. So it's like the new Captcha and they're just rolling it out and you're the first one and you've got the lottery winner, everyone. I'm not sure that I can call it Italian coffee, but at least it's an Italian coffee machine, you know. It has a French price. I actually usually drink with a senseo, but I don't have any more capsule, so let me send you a quick picture of it. I noticed that the joke might be that the Italians are enjoying their espressos in a social setting in real life, and the rest of the Europe are drinking and, well, spending time on the air chat.

[4:03:58] Holy Jesus! That sounded like a high praise for a social media app. I feel like other entrepreneurs, the ones who know how hard it is, never say this sucks. They go with like, well, here's how it could work, here's how it might not work, you know, but mostly focused on path forward as opposed to just like stop here and do something else. They usually give you the critical feedback, which is actually greatly appreciated if you're truly a builder because getting feedback, any kind of feedback usually is also hard. So the silent treatment is not your friend in this regard as well. So the positive, constructive criticism is the best kind. You know what really sucks in startup India? When you work on something and the default response from people around you is, this sucks, this is not going to work, who needs it, and so forth.

[4:04:54] And it's like, it's not, I'm used to it. but it doesn't get any more pleasant with time. You just get used to it being like, eh, carry on. But maybe it's a sign that I need to surround myself with more people who would provide better feedback. What do you think? That's a pretty usual response. Entrepreneurs are quite a different breed. You understand the pain of building, creating something, but it's not a familiar world for the rest, so they don't see it the same way, so they don't appreciate what you've been going through, and they mainly see things from their perspective. So in that way, if you're looking for validation, you're looking for some kind of bat on the back, that usually doesn't happen. But it's not just apps and software. It's also if you're writing a book or some other things, and usually people might be a little bit of jealous because they've always been thinking of writing a book, and then you just do it.

[4:05:44] And yeah. So look for the people who are already building something else, and you get the feedback, and they appreciate it. But once in a while, you might have one or two of the friends who really appreciate what you do, even though they are not maybe doing the same thing, and those are the ones to keep. Has Slack entered the air chat? Does anyone else find it hilarious that the acronym of this channel is AA, which is the same acronym as Alcohol Anonymous? Yeah, it's not an addiction group. It's called Absolute Earshadows. Absolute Earshadows? Moshi Moshi AI. Hi, how you been doing? I share beautiful Sakura Cherry Brossom from Tokyo. Oh, from Kyoto. My bad. But why not croissant? I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to change the spelling of names so that it tags them properly. I've said names a few times in posts and sometimes it'll get the last name right or the first name right. Even when I tag it below, it doesn't really change the spelling in the actual post. So just seeing if I'm missing something. You cannot change the transcript, but you can tag a person, so that's the way to do it. I suppose people who went through those dark periods, they knew how bad the pain was, and therefore it allowed them to understand how good the happiness, or the joy, was. You can see it in the culture, and for example in the 20s, we're called Roaring 20s in the West. Getting like zero engagements on an air chat post feels like when you tell a joke and like nobody laughs.

[4:07:20] Are you talking if nobody is replying? I want to say it's slow so that this super fast speed makes it look like normal talk. Let's see how does it feel like. This is a slow talk, I think. You can change the playback beat by pushing the play/pause button along pressing it and you can change it from 1x to 3x and 2x is the default so you don't need to speak slower. This is the most peculiar closed channel I have found, Will's ideas. Actually, are people able to make their own closed channels now? Or any channels at all? Not yet. You have to know the founders or the devs and then you might get some exceptions, but they are not open yet. But they are building it, so it's coming soon.

[4:08:09] Hey, so channels are super alpha right now and we really don't have any idea how they're going to work, but it sounds like something that you could probably make use of a channel for in the future. This is the most peculiar closed channel I have found, Will's Ideas. So if you go to my Twitter profile, it's just my full name, you'll see the video that we made yesterday, myself and Jesse. And the R1, I think 9 out of 10 times beat the Humane pin in speed and accuracy.

[4:09:06] I think of all the tests we did, and it is like a long video, it's a 40 minute video where we're trying like as many comparable features as we can. And I think there was one occasion where the pin outdid us on one query and everything else, the R1 performed much better. So if you have some time, go check out the video. What would it take to implement AirChat into R1? When AirChat pin. But maybe the real question is whether it should be in the Rabbit. Once LinkedIn finds out about AirChat, it's over for this app. No, it's over for LinkedIn. Then those chat GPT, social marketing, SEO, fine-tuned and polished posts will be done with 11 lapsed voices. The friend's headset looks pretty quiet. I wonder is everybody still sleeping or is that the new habit? Shhh, Tom is still sleeping. My bad.

[4:10:02] Are there any folks here who have the humane pin? I'm really curious as to your reactions to it. Do you find any use cases that it serves super well that let's say a smartphone can't handle as well. And a bonus question is, did you take a look at the Marques Brownlee YouTube review of the Humane Pin? Did you think that it was fair? Do you think it was too harsh? I'm really curious. Hi, Eric. I do not own the Humane Pin, but I tested it yesterday. So I work at Rabbit. We make the Rabbit R1. Lots of people say that I guess we're competitor companies, but we did have one in the office yesterday and myself and Jesse, our CEO, recorded a video putting it through its paces. I think Marques' review is bang on. The device is very inconsistent. The launch weekend was pretty wild. Hi, my name is Neeraj.

[4:10:51] It's been a couple minutes since my last post, and I'm an addict. There is an unsolved problem in social audio, especially given that podcasts are such a weird, messed-up format. But is this audio, or is this dictation? Is there actually a new engagement mechanic here? What comes to the engagement mechanism, you will only see posts by the people who you're following. So the web of trust is implemented here. And what comes to your feed is the people you follow, if they reply or they engage with some people outside of your network, you will see those. Then you can also join channels which can give you exposure to topics like AI and books and what's already in there. So this way you can also explore and get new stuff.

[4:11:39] Real light talk is so ephemeral. EerTzit saves your bangers and make them viral. Holy cow, I had a bunch of chats going with him yesterday. I'm going to use them for my content creation for the EerChat TikTok. Yay! Thank you so much. I can't believe I was chatting with him several times back and forth yesterday. That's so wild. Okay, thank you for the information. This one was probably one of the first ones coming out for the new version. Okay, Andrew Wang, do you want to create the AirChat Anonymous channel? It could just be A, A, and then write out the bio for it. Thanks, Andrew. I got a TikTok banger many years back with the screen time thing, so I think that might be some of the content which makes people curious and also might get them excited about their chat. Your phone will tell whether you need this one.

[4:12:30] I think it's time for AirChat Anonymous or AirChat Addicts or AA in short here on AirChat as a topic or whatever you call them, community. Sigil, I know you're busy. I am going to take over that one and admin that. I think it's the continuation from the previous AirChat. Given the amount of time I already spent here and given the amount of addiction that I see going around, I think it's time. Join, but don't get too addicted. yes instagram youtube shorts go at it make things blow up um let's experiment with the format whatever format works great i'll program it into the app so that you can one click and it goes to uh shorts with that video in your format but you can use whatever editor editing um stuff to experiment with uh i'm excited to see it go get your username this is a community collective air chat uh figure out how to share funny ass conversations this is going to be so Flippin' fun! Dark mode may ship tomorrow morning, but also I hear you. Our feed recommendations are being worked on. Cameron's upgrading it. There's a lot of iterations here, but we are aiming to improve fast. And I hear you. I hear you very well. Yeah!

[4:13:47] Embrace yourselves. Dark mode is coming. Yes, Instagram, YouTube shorts. Go at it. Make things blow up. Let's experiment with the format. Whatever format works great. I'll program it into the app so that you can one click and And it goes to shorts with that video in your format, but you can use whatever editor editing stuff to experiment with. I'm excited to see it. Go get your username. This is a community collective air chat. Figure out how to share funny ass conversations. There's a lot of good stuff here already. Sort of genuinely authentic jokes and comebacks and witty stuff. And it's just a matter of putting it out there. I agree. How do I find the right person to run this? but I would say that the best way is just to browse the feed and see the genuine conversations what are happening here just to doing a blunt screenshot it's not fancy but somebody gets the idea and if the content is hilarious and it's small enough doing a little bit of these for a while and it will catch up somehow indeed that's already been requested by Alex Cicill the people who have spoken multiple times give us the channel Cicill might do it But I think there's a current ban for new channels to be created.

[4:15:00] Does anyone else just feel really awkward talking to their phone like this? Wasn't that the original idea of a phone to talk? Never regard something as doing you good. If it makes you break your word or lose your self-respect. Then makes you hate, suspect or execrate. It can't be doing you good. If it makes you act a hypocrite or too desire for anything. Best done behind closed doors. damn dude i was just joking memeing aren't we all buddy this is the new roasting app yo when are we getting dark mode one of these days i only post clickbait chick bait robert chick bait introducing my friend patry friedman patry is a fun and interesting and playful and creative individual who knows how to build and dance and organize and create the social conditions that really encourage us to be our freest and best selves. Many of you in the freedom, libertarian-oriented ecosystems likely know Patry for being a key founder of the Startup City movement. He's been in the space for over 20 years.

[4:16:08] He founded the Sea-Setting Institute, which was the first organization that explored what it looks like to build a sovereign jurisdiction on the water. And he now runs a VC fund called Pronomos Capital, which is focused on investing in startup cities that are building sovereign infrastructure to explore new and interesting and creative ways to socially organize and live in free ways. So yeah, welcome, Patrick to AirChat. Introducing my friend Patrick Friedman. Patrick is a fun and interesting and playful and creative individual who knows how to build and dance and organize. Patrick, welcome to the AirChat experience. It's been a while we saw each other. I don't even remember. Maybe 15 years ago. No, I think then. Dude, do you want to help? If you create it, make it blow up. I'll give you any username you want. Just figure out how to blow up your chat TikTok. Help us iterate. This same proposition goes for other people. Isn't this the most familiar format? The one where, like to me, it's a DM format. So maybe a DM of two persons or a group doing some stuff. You probably need a customized account to make it funny. And then you can have it as a controlled.

[4:17:15] Is anyone I know a part of the books channel on air chat? Can you invite me? I don't know how that works actually. Because you can't request. Anyway, I can read most of the words and have maybe read at least four words. I think it's a free channel, so it's open to join. Maybe have you checked that you have updated AppVersion, or if you're on Android, I'm not sure whether it's yet available. I was trying to explain to a consulting client that the Docker image that we all use to train models, Axolotl, that that's just one person doing that. It's just some guy. His name is Wing Lian, and he's here. Welcome, Wing. Hey Akira, I recently listened to the book about Elon Musk. It's a big one, so reading would take a lot more time and I would actually go back and forth between reading and listening. I have a Kindle and I have an audiobook subscription and I sync those. And so whenever I'm in bed, for example, I read the Kindle and then if I'm working out or something, then I go to the audiobook and continue listening to it because it just picks up where you left on your Kindle and vice versa.

[4:18:23] By the way, big fan of your tracks, and I have quite a few of them in my playlist when I listen to them when I work out. A few of my favorites are about discipline, so those are pretty good. Thanks. Books by Sancaro are also high quality. Only my favorite pair of walking shoes have drowned. Fatality reported. But I'm fine. It was a good adventure. I guess rubber boots are the hot item now drop shipped as we speak. There's probably already 20k people here. My guess is it's way, way more. Yeah, absolutely. Not everybody knows the founders. Hi, Naval. I think I'm doing this right. Dave Lee here. I'm a columnist with Bloomberg. I tried to reach you via email, but your bounce back says you don't bother with email anymore, which is fair enough. So here I am. I've written a column examining the terms and conditions for AirChat.

[4:19:18] And my reading makes it, I mean, it looks like it's clear that the company can do pretty much as it pleases with the user submissions, including using them to make AI models at some point in the future. I did see a response to Lauren from Wired when she asked about this, but I wondered if you were considering maybe updating these terms to provide some actual reassurance in writing to users of AirChat, because these terms seem pretty broad to me. If you want to reply here, fine, I'll be checking it. If not, I've sent you my details via email. Cheers. Yeah, we'll take a look at it. I mean, terms and conditions are written by some combination of lawyers and chat GPT these days. So no human actually knows what the heck they actually say. I mean, if we use the data to improve our internal models, to make the transcription and to make the product better without revealing user data, individual user data or compromising privacy, we would probably do so. If, on the other hand, it would reveal individual user data or compromise user privacy, we wouldn't do that. If it would be used to train synthetic voices of the users without their permission, their explicit opt-in permission, we wouldn't do that either.

[4:20:12] So I think this is kind of the stance that almost everyone is taking these days. We're not in the AI model business. And I think that's what you really have to think through here. Like companies that are in the AI model business will do whatever it takes to get their hands on that sweet, sweet data. We're not in the AI model business. So that's not what we'd use it for. I think with social media, generally, the issue is more that they use this kind of data for targeted advertising and things of that nature. And I know Facebook gets in a lot of trouble for that. But we have no plans to run ads yet either. But, you know, look, terms and conditions are written by lawyers and ChatGPT, as I said, these days, probably more by ChatGPT. So going through some magnifying glass exercise right now to figure out exactly how to word this, when I've got mountains of code to write and tons of product to build and lots of users to respond to, it's just a complete waste of time. So everybody settle down. It'll be fine. Hang around. And if you're that paranoid about terms and conditions, if you're the kind of person who would read the terms and conditions in excruciating detail and get your knickers in a bunch about it, then don't use the app.

[4:21:02] This app makes people realize they have a voice. And the fact that I think about my voice now as I speak and what I'm saying. Oops. The things people heard from you beforehand. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. Air chat, find your voice. Until you spend way too long on it, then you lose your voice, which is a good chance to write letters to your family to apologize. Sounds pretty extreme. I mean, you really do longhand and lick a stamp and put it in an envelope. Then you walk, or in your case probably drive, and you drop it in a box. And then you wait for it to come back to your same house. Wow.

[4:21:53] Patrick, this is just sad. How did we end up here? Keith, is it hide and seek or just a judgment public? Can somebody share that thread with the list of channels? I think it would probably be good if we just reposted that from time to time because a lot of people are asking over and over again the same question. I tried searching for it but I just can't seem to find it. know i don't like that i but i get you headphones but then again you in public space you with people there's no need for you to be on your phone but i know it gets awkward but i've taught myself to actually just sit there quietly without touching my phone good news bad news you're absolutely right good news is you're totally right it's rude especially if you're one-on-one with people or even in a semi-intimate setting like not a coffee shop but i don't know like your your kid's soccer game or student teacher meeting that kind of thing bad news is you're going to alienate everyone in your personal life for three to nine months but then after that it's fine it's really casual it's just on the side but yeah tell all your friends that you may not really and family especially you probably either won't talk to them anymore or whenever you they think you're talking to them you're really chit-chatting let's just get that out of the way my voice seems to be fading by the chit yesterday someone asked me to say i am batman and today i think i sound like an old man who smokes 20 cigarettes a day to everybody asking for channels we're putting a hold on new channel creation for now uh we have to deal with some scalability and moderation issues and make sure the quality stays up and we literally cannot do that and do all the other things that we have to do so channels are a premature thing that we sort of have to build in public because of their nature but we cannot add new channels so please spread the word to anybody who asks about channels to say what we have is what we have and we're not adding any more and please be patient thank you Enjoy your time.

[4:24:23] You're genius. You have no idea how deep the whole of EDC goes. But, you know, look at the results. They didn't change the name. And then they bought Nokia. And now they have nothing. I really like never being interrupted on this app and never feeling awkward about whether it's, you know, the right moment to say the thing that I'm trying to formulate or that I want to, like, contribute to the conversation. If I've got something to say, I can just press the button and say it. And while I'm talking, nobody can jump on top of me because I can be kind of a soft speaker unless I'm really wound up about something, you know. Yeah, it's great to just not be interrupted. David Deutsch also had something to say to myself and Naval about exactly this question of defining knowledge. It's important for me to say that I'm not trying to dodge the question.

[4:25:14] People ask me all the time how to define knowledge, or how to define consciousness, or any number of things. But the issue with knowledge is there are always new kinds of knowledge that we could discover. So if you're trying to find something, it means that you draw a box around it, and anything outside the box isn't knowledge. But you could find something that is outside the box that counts. Now all of that aside, there are a few ways of coming at that concept. My name is Sigil. The transcription gets it wrong. So people have been calling me the word Sigil. Both are acceptable. But my real friends call me Sigil. Ahem, Naval. LOL. I refuse to use images for those emojis. Hey, everybody. I write about the history of technology and the philosophy of progress. So send me any questions or comments or random thoughts about any of those topics, and maybe we can have a fun back and forth. What about the first piece of technology?

[4:26:14] I don't know, probably like stone tools three million years ago. If anything else was invented back then, we don't have the archaeological records for it, so we don't know. But technology, I would say, goes back at least about three million years ago to the first stone tools. So I just realized I had been pronouncing Seagel's name wrong, and I apologize for that. And from here on in, I want to make sure that I can pronounce your name correctly. So, this is a thread, an invitation for you to share how to pronounce your name. Or how you would like people to say your name, if the two might be different. I don't know. First up, I am Rachel. My name is Sigil. The transcription gets it wrong. So people have been calling me the word Sigil. Both are acceptable. But my real friends call me Sigil. Ahem, Naval. This app needs more trolls.

[4:27:02] This app needs Marc Andreessen. I think he's still stuck at the clubhouse. I hear Daniel Ek has joined AirChat, a pioneer in audio. Thought I'd welcome him, but also just send him a notification so he can figure out what's going on here and how it works. Hope you're doing well, mate. Yeah, I guess I'm late to the party, but I am still trying to figure this out. But send me tips and suggestions. Good to see you here as well, mate. Yeah, I guess I'm late to the party, but I am still trying to figure this out. But send me tips and suggestions, and good to see you here as well, mate. It's never too late to party. Welcome, Daniel. So I made the mistake of leaving my hotel, and then we tried to get on the highway, but the highway was totally gridlocked. So we tried to not get on the highway and turn around, and then it started raining, and then the water started rising too much.

[4:27:56] So we made a run for it into some industrial park high ground, and now I'm sleeping with trucks. Have you tried to download the upgrade to Cybertruck? It's really hard to find channels. Have you found any channels you like? What channels do you wish existed? There's a list of the channels. You can also search and they might come up as well. Everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others. Everyone is equal, but some have better apps. Well, Firebird, it's going to be hard to convince anybody that I'm actually exhausted. Like, I'm exhausted from the game. It's like, oh no, I have to do this more, now I have to convince people, now I have to think who's trying to kill me. So I've given up trying to get a particular outcome. I'm just having fun right now. It's just fun. Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. Welcome to the EurChat weekend. Now we enter into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming, one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing which works here.

[4:29:21] How to make your feed so much better? Just go to the profile of a person and click the mute account and you will see the difference. Amlan, come in and maybe give some tips to Tom on how to deal with a rainy Dubai. Please send a vote. Reply to this thread and I will give you the worst coffee advice you've ever heard. Oops, my bad, it's an old Finnish proverb. I'm not a coffee. I'm not drinking the most coffee in the world. That is fascinating. I had no idea. Thank you for sharing. If you still want bad coffee advice, let me know. So I'm here in Dubai for a very rare event, a very rainy, stormy day. And it turns out the whole city shuts down. Nobody knows how to drive in the rain or anything. So I can't get a car.

[4:30:09] How are you swimming, Tom? It looks like that it's a perfect place if you ever manage to get to the event. You can just make so many deals because nobody can leave the place. Yeah, I should have stayed at the hotel. I made the mistake of entering out. And now I'm stranded in an industrial park. That's the only high ground around here. So, yeah, that was a good time. That just indicates that it's hidden to all your followers because you don't follow the person who replied to you. If you like or repost a reply back to it, then it'll unhind automatically. I do think that the word hidden is a bit too strong and could confuse people, though. It looks like Amanda was already liking it, and it still shows hidden, so it shouldn't be unhidden at that point. Let me know if I'm wrong, Amanda. Hey, everybody. I write about the history of technology and the philosophy of progress. So send me any questions or comments or random thoughts about any of those topics, and maybe we can have a fun back and forth.

[4:31:03] This app reminds me of Twitter 2008-2009. This is crazy. So fun. This is awesome. Well, when you say the conjecture, to my mind, the conjecture in Austrian economics is that the individual acts purposefully, or a universal explainer acts purposefully. I would love to get a Babylon's take on this. A Google Meet feature to detect when you're eating and ask you to share with everyone on the call what's for lunch. What did you buy for everyone with Uber Eats? Ex needs to fucking chill. I get it. I'm logged out of my account. Name is the omen. It's your ex. Why brands like Samsonite have not done this as part of their offering is beyond me. Imagine if they had one that maybe, you know, you could use a whiteboard marker on and delete it. or if they had a template available, or if they sent you a new one every year.

[4:31:55] Oh, it would be perfect. Perfect. Wow, so many bundling opportunities. You could even do those prepacked suitcases. So you're always ready to go and you just buy a new one and you don't even need to pack it yourself. How are you swimming, Tom? It looks like that it's a perfect place if you ever manage to get to the event. You can just make so many deals because nobody can leave the place. I doubt that anyone actually got to the event. I think they might have canceled it. Yeah, it looks pretty bad in there. All right, I just heard a very funny story about Naval. And because this is his app, he gets to get roasted here a little bit. I was talking to, I did a podcast with Tim Ferriss, and I asked him about Naval. I said, you're friends with him. I've never met him. Really respect him. He seems like a fascinating guy. Tell me, how'd you meet him?

[4:32:41] What happened the first time you met him? And this is what Tim Ferriss said. Very funny story. The first thing that came to mind is probably not the kind of example that you would expect. It was actually the first time I met Nabil. It was the first time I met Nabil. I went into a coffee shop in the Mission in San Francisco, and I ordered a coffee, and I'm waiting at the counter, and there's this very attractive girl standing next to me, and she's very friendly and smiles, and I start talking to her, and I'm chatting her up, hitting on her, hoping to ask her for a number and take her out, and who knows, maybe dinner, maybe drink, who knows. And I see Nabil walk up with this huge grin on his face, and he's like, I see you met my girlfriend. and I was like oh Tim and he's like Naval and he just had this huge grin on his face didn't know who you were or he was just like I don't think I'm not sure I don't think so I didn't lose his school it was just like wow what a good way to address it like totally calm and then we started talking and like and we ended off I forgot to eat multiple meals over the past four days but as my friend Sean says if you're not forgetting to eat once in a while you're probably working on the wrong thing some people call it fasting That's if you do it intentionally.

[4:34:13] mic. My air chat timeline is weirdly sporadic. Like when it'll be active, it'll be overwhelmingly active. And when it's quiet, it's really quiet. I need to balance out my follows, like follow somebody in every time zone. I have a little bit more balanced feed, I guess. I'm following almost to 900,000 people, but certainly there are a few peaks and they are usually in the evening night of California time and also the morning and those are the high peak times. Okay we just got this beautiful espresso machine a Lilith Bianca V3. What bean should we get for it? This looks like a machine for 100% arpica. I have many thoughts about air chat. First of all in a few weeks we will all be using a verb called air chatting. I have not been this excited about a social application since Instagram. This is a brand new interaction behavior, even though it looks very familiar and we can all understand it almost intuitively and instantly. I think this is going to transcend demographic barriers, just like Instagram did. Old people, young people, new people, millennials, Gen Z, boomers, everybody is going to be able to crock this very well because it does not ignore the past, but it also is about the future. And I wrote about that on my blog post.

[4:35:35] So instead of trying to bore you more with my voice, here is a link to my blog post as well on my blog. Thank you. My spoon is too big. Need a bigger soup ball then. Welcome to the music channel where I hope we all share our favorite songs. And please remember, everyone's music taste matters. There is no superior or inferior taste, whether the genre or the band or the DJ or the pop star. Every piece of music must be appreciated through the context in which the artist intended the music to be created. And that is why there is no such thing as bad music, and why we should all respect each other's subjective opinions on what they love, and why they love it. And that's why we're here, to talk about songs, which is something I love to do. So please share some of your favorite songs, new songs, old songs, nostalgic songs, memorable songs.

[4:36:30] And I hope to hear a lot of amazing ideas and songs that I haven't heard before from the AirChat community. Let's do it. It's a lot of time, but Sam Altman gave me access to GP5. So we just have it running and it's doing a lot of the agentic channel creation for me. So I just talk to it and it creates channels, but I still have to talk to it. In fact, I have a AirChat DM with it. I just send this command and it tells me what's up. So can you also teleport some good jokes from the future if it's really creating a channel? I used to work in this space running a product at Google X running circuits on TPUs. Let me know if you have any questions about simulating quantum computers on GPUs or TPUs. Brett Hall mentioned the other day that there isn't any, well theoretically there isn't any issues to have quantum computing on a room temperature. Do you see anything on your experience that we can even be close to having that in maybe in this decade.

[4:37:27] If air chat is a house party, X is a war zone. Waiting for the rave app. How would your feed look like if you already have some hundreds of followers and then you stop following everyone but you're still posting and people who follow you are replying and then you can pick up people and maybe start following them. So I wonder how the creation would work in But in that case, in your main feed, anyone already is seeing this approach? That's what I was just noticing. Po nějaké pritěny, výlbryske je mnogo poobor z odkoukutu na anglísky, ili možná by jasné tu rávno govore po tozi náčin. I don't know. I think it's a good thing. snippets that go viral. But that's not the point, that's the by-product. The point is to find another human being to connect with. It's more like a messenger. I'll give you an analogy that may be helpful.

[4:38:38] AirChat Premium makes a bot out of you that lives in the system forever. Coming from Singapore, where rain is basically a non-event, this is a bit hilarious and unexpected. I had the same feel when I realized that on Spanish highways, there's low down on the curves when it's raining. Guys, this needs to be heard. Yeah, Proditchi was catching up already what's happening in air chat with all the meows and all those things. Yeah, hate of his time. I used to think a sign of intelligence was being a contrarian. But actually what a contrarian is, is the person who, when everyone else is going left, decides to go right. What you really want is not to be correlated in any way with the crowd. You don't want to go the opposite of the direction they're going. You want to decide on your own which way you're going to go, regardless of what they're doing.

[4:39:28] So you don't want to be a contrarian. What you want is to be uncorrelated. It's spinning like a vortex. CryptoBros will go to Hong Kong, Dubai, Paris, New York, and Singapore just to meet the same 20 people that they see at every conference. Isn't that what the whole conference is all about? Seeing the same people in different places and paying for the vendor to meet those people and having the same jokes and tapping backs of those same people. That's called the industry event. This is what Americans look like going to Europe for the first time and ordering a coffee. "Otering coffee for the first time, you mean?" "You know what? You're right." "Standing up is a new workout." "With two feet or one." "Yo, AirChat ruined my workout routine. I can't properly do the electric anymore. One of my hands is always holding the phone. Two goes to AirChat." "Check a movie. Your exercise will tank. Suddenly, you're going to be a good one. You're going to be a good one. You're going you have consumed two hours of exercise because you don't want to stop playing that cliffhanger.

[4:40:33] I'm curious if there is any documented history of how AirChat started. I'm very curious about new social platforms and how they grow. This one looks interesting. We're pretty busy right now. We'll make up some cool sounding origin story later. AirChat is Twitter without the ego. But with the trolls. Do you think we could have a post keyword muting? Hashtag blessed. So I don't want to completely mute or unfollow some persons, but I do not want to see some type of posts. So you think that would be something in the toolbox to come? Yes, down the line. Not very soon. So muting the account is the best option, because if you unfollow and some of the people you follow are still replying, you will get them on the feed.

[4:41:24] Need feature to mute the word meow? Yeah, we need that feature. Yeah, I think I used Blue Sky for literally maybe six hours. I tried to go back to it, and there's just nothing there. They needed some kind of algorithm. I think it was doomed to fail anyway. I kind of wrote a whole blog post about that. I'm kind of curious to go and look at that again in the context of YapChat. I feel like there's nothing in my thesis that says YapChat should fail. You can make your own algos. I think they're already 40,000 algos, And a SkyFeed app is a pretty easy and a good way to do them yourself. Is there an experience that comes up in your mind that when you were in it, you knew that what you were experiencing was going to change the world? Ooh. I mean, I was Apple's first child laborer back in 1978 and built Apple II motherboards in my mom's kitchen. And I remember looking at those and going, man, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

[4:42:16] Because back then there was no technology in my life. We didn't have, we had rotary telephone, and we had a black and white TV. And so this thing showing up in our house was like, whoa, this is cool. You know, I've had several of those kinds of things over the years. Like, whoa, I'm playing, you know, like I worked at Microsoft as a strategist, and I did things there that The Economist magazine wrote that I humanized Microsoft. I mean, that's pretty incredible. You know, but before that, go back to Steve Wasank. I met him in a parking lot at a community college because I built his motherboards. If I didn't build his motherboards, I wouldn't know who he was, right? But because I had built his motherboards, I wanted to meet him, and I saw his car in the parking lot and hung out until he arrived. And I ended up studying every morning with him. I knew then that I was given a gift that very few people had because, you know, I remember thinking while I was hanging out with him, you know, can't do this at Stanford University.

[4:43:15] I could go on for a while about different times, different things that happened that like, whoa, that's bigger than any dream I could ever have had. You know, when I was a kid, I didn't dream about any of this. So, yeah, I don't know if there's one thing that stands out, though. Thanks. Bro, how is Mark Andreessen on AirChat and Ben Horowitz isn't? I really want to hear Ben Horowitz rapping Bobby Shmurda lyrics on AirChat. Like, Naval, make this happen, please. Sejal, someone. On an earlier version of AirChat, we actually had activity and it was pretty freaking sick. So expect this to come in the future. There's a lot to build right now. And that's a lot more streaming from the client. We want to nail the core, which it seems to be nailing like crazy because everything is exploding. I love it.

[4:44:05] Do you think we could have proposed keyword muting? Hashtag blessed. So I don't want to completely mute or unfollow some persons, but I do not want to see some type of posts. So you think that would be something in the toolbox to come? So I don't think it's that bad. You can go look at your own feed. And assuming you're following some reasonable number of people, you know, call it tens of people and not hundreds, you should have a reasonable experience. You also don't have to engage in everything. You don't have to read anything. The point of this app is not to go back and catch up on all your social media. It's not to go back and see all the things that you missed. It's rather to see what's going on around you right now. It's to find somebody else to connect with right now. It's to talk to somebody right now. Not exactly right now. It's near live. It's not quite live. Exactly live doesn't work. It's high stress. It's hard to coordinate the right people in the right place at the right time.

[4:44:52] But too much of a delay doesn't work either. You can't have a conversation. So this slot's right in the middle. The last time I felt like this was at Burning Man when there were hundreds of amazing conversations and parties happening at the exact same time. And you can never go wrong anywhere you went. I have literally experienced the opposite, where people whose tweets may have been slightly annoying or just not at all worth noting, have become extremely annoying to me because their voice annoys me. For the same reason, sometimes the video option here is not your friend. Hey Eric, you can definitely share a URL through direct message here on AirChat. Direct messages are the envelopes down in the lower right-hand corner of the app. And I'm going to show you image how to share URLs. And I'm not sure if you are on an Android device.

[4:45:40] I am on an iPhone, so Android might be a little bit different and restricted. Little known fact that for past 18 months, 83% of air chat traffic is explanation how Plus Button works. The second thing to know, which is the unsung heroes of this app, and it's the people that are actually building it. I've met a few of them, and I've heard a lot about them because I'm friends with Brian and Naval. And I'm just going to say they're some of the best people in the tech industry. their ability to iterate on the ideas of the founders over the last few years the things that i've seen them build it's been truly remarkable and so what you're seeing right now with channels for example is something that we've had to tolerate now for quite a while where new things get implemented they don't really make sense but they do and then we give them the feedback and then it kind of works out the previous version of this product before this current v3 basically built everything under the sun and a lot of that was because we were suggesting ideas and they just built it and so we've learned a lot about what makes good quality conversation and so what you're seeing now is actually the result of quite a few years of thinking and experimentation on how to get smart people that were talking already offline and also now joining the community of Brian and Naval because of their Twitter following and how do we get the best insights out of these conversations. Third thing to know is that there's a lot of trolling on this app and the influx of users right now seems to have exploded that some of it is entertaining some of it is anonymous identities, which is fine. There are people here that have to keep their identity anonymous because of, well, quite frankly, how rich they are. But the point about the trolling, as entertaining as it's been that I've seen some people do it, there are some people here that are just outright manipulating. And thankfully, there's a good natured community and I'm seeing it potentially pan out in a certain way. But I guess the point I'm trying to say is you can't troll a troll. And so I'm not going to say trolling is baked into this community, but it's quite resistant to it because the people here are entrepreneurs that know how other people try to manipulate them.

[4:47:32] So finally a social app which is social. It's a chat and it actually nails the user interface so well. Wow. Can you call the group No One Invited Us because our profiles don't show that anyone invited us to the app? Here's an idea. Ever since I downloaded AirChat my neighbors think I made friends. So I really don't like software that lies to me about listening speed. And I don't think other software does this. Like YouTube does not lie. When you put it at time 2x, it does not lie. And I don't know why that's necessary for this platform. Why not just have the true thing that is what every other app does? I think even, was it like Audible or something? They used to fudge the numbers, but then they changed it to reflect the actual thing. Also, I would like to have much faster than quote 3x which i think might be something like 1.5x actually uh or like 1.7 or something anyway this has been my rant about why i would like my software to not lie to me about the speed at which i'm listening oh also probably all of you don't even know that you can change the speed so if you hold down the play button then you can get faster speeds and not tear your hair out yeah 2x i think it's 1.3 or something i tested it one time but yeah 3x is not even probably 2 And yes, I would love to have the real 2.5, 3, even a little bit faster than 3 as an option, but that's a long battle ahead of us if we want to get that on the app.

[4:49:03] What if video games end up becoming pocket universes? Like you put a bunch of intelligent NPCs in a simulated world, and is that basically the beginning of pocket universes, like mini-verses, like pocket universe? Hmm. Or maybe better universes. Yeah, I get what you mean. I have that as well. But the thing I'm talking about is something like this: Do you also think that carrots are crazy? Hmm, I think carrots are crazy. Yes, they are really crazy. Wow. Like something like that where it's like they're writing sort of poetry and then they they speak it out as if it's like reciting a poem or something. I don't know it feels a bit strange but maybe it's just me. That's the engagement farming clearly and maybe some of it's written by your favorite chat GPT. Something I notice with how people talk on here is that they pre-write what they're saying, and then they say it and bring it as if they're performing it a little bit. I'm curious what people think about that.

[4:50:01] There are a lot of experiments going at the moment because people are testing whatever works and get the engagement. But some people have also been having quite a bit of practice. It sounds and seems like they've been, well I don't know about the performing part, but it seems like they know what they're talking about. But it's just like this one first take. And by the way, MacWhisper, I'm a user, I'm even a paid user, so welcome to the app, and I really love what you've been doing. Hey everybody, I'm Jordi, I'm an indie developer, mostly working for Apple Platforms, built a lot of stuff over the last few years, mostly just trying to make stuff that I like, and it turns out that other people also like that stuff, so that's nice. Recently I've been working on some MacWhisper stuff, which is a transcription app for Mac, and I do a lot of VisionOS stuff, so I launched a few apps there as well. Happy to chat about any of that stuff with anyone else. Or, yeah, just chat about live stuff as well.

[4:50:50] Just finished Tree Body Problem. Would love to talk with people about that because none of my friends like it. No, it was useless. It was slow. It wasn't designed with Mac in mind. It definitely wasn't using Swift. It was just a really irritating piece of software. I'm really glad that they're completely rethinking everything from the ground up. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that they actually changed. It sounds like that they are starting to step on the toes of humane AI. And it's quite tricky. Also from the privacy perspective. giving access to everything and then yeah zero day boom this thing's gonna get really interesting once we get the voice actors on here making parody accounts yeah it's gonna get lit you mean they're not already here bro i saw one of morgan freeman and he sounded nothing like morgan freeman so not the good ones yet anyway hey arjun uh you set up the air chat support but none of us can join it and we can't post in it. So I just wanted to give you a heads up here because I see that you just responded. You may need to update your app in order to join the channel. So that's a little bit of a catch-22, but yes, you can join it at least on iOS. I will do this immediately. Thank you. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now. I have to go Air chat is my caffeine.

[4:52:14] Hey everyone, this is an open channel to ask all your questions about air chat. At Sigil, is there a comedy or jokes channel where we can just like start fleshing out ideas for jokes real time? Just see the mystery behind the works type of deal? I think it'd be fun and funny to just be able to watch the process. Is it that called the main feed? You're not wrong, Petru. You're not wrong at all. Oh weird, let me get that fixed. Thanks Amanda. It's getting a little busy here, there's so much happening. Sometimes you have to reply the three four chits at a time and then you lose the opposition in the main feed. So where do you keep the vodka the other three weeks? It's on the other back. Ooh, keeping one of those on the backside. Eh, doesn't sound that comfortable. Ooh, yeah. I kind of get chills just thinking about it. Speaking of which, you know that champagne thing where you pour it down and you drink it out of the bottom part? Don't ever do that with apple brandy. I'm going to tag in Amanda here. Not for the apple brandy, for the backside. I want to get to know all the ladies on air chat, so reply to this with a little introduction to yourself.

[4:53:31] Just like you, I am obsessed with all things beautiful and I love taking pictures of them. My goal for 2024, more like my resolution this year, is to live as many new experiences as I can. Living up to that, I completed a trek in January. I visited the desserts in India in February. In March, I served at a community kitchen in Amritsar, India, which I believe is the world's largest community kitchen. And in April, I ran my first marathon. And I also joined swimming classes. I look forward to seeing you around. Have a good day. I also feel like this is very temporary. It's just like that initial moment when it's supposed to be 8 and everyone shows up at 8, but not everyone knows each other. You're just kind of like going around saying hi, that little uncomfortable feeling. I think this will fade in a few weeks. Yes, and praise the chaos. This will pause. It looks more like an anxiety list.

[4:54:27] But you only need tampons one week out of four. You make two packs. Color code it to which one you need. I think seeing this navale would never travel again. It looks more like an anxiety list. But I'm good at math. I think I will CC Keith here and we will test your math skills. Oh, silly air chat. I said meth. Meth skills. See, I'm a local in San Francisco and I'm just trying to get with the times. for the FBI agent listening, I am just joking. No, but I definitely didn't mean that. Okay. Are you fully vegan? Wow. Sign me up for that channel as well. David Holtz, founder of MidJourney. Thank you so much for hosting me when I was kind of homeless when I was 17 and first came to Silicon Valley from San Francisco.

[4:55:21] I remember you encouraged me to take the COVID vaccine, But David is incredible. True genius. I can't believe I doubted him. I remember in our Discord conversations, he was like sending me the early mid-journey examples. Like, no way this guy can beat Dolly. And then he did it. He built the best image generation model there is. What a fucking lad. Oh my god. David, I don't know your inspiration. Your true word. Welcome aboard. Thank you for all the support throughout my life. And yeah, I love you, man. So I recently just came across this screenshot on the other social media app on the other platform. Like people have been like taking shots at air chat. So do you have anything to like, you know, say about it? Like, do you still stand by this? Or like the motivation or maybe the aim for creating this was something other than that, you know, just curious. There's also the element of synchronous and asynchronous.

[4:56:22] So voice calls, for example, are synchronous. You have to be exactly at the same time, and it takes all the time. It's not the case here. iOS accountability alarms that wake up your friends if you sleep through your alarm. So there's a collective punishment now. This is hilarious. I didn't even go check. I just don't check on people's profile. But this is funny. Now we'll see. The best testimony that AirChat is working is people to people. It's not about titles. Maybe the best title is undefined, if there's any on your bio. Has anyone had an issue with inviting friends in? I sent a few invites, but they're not working right now. I wonder what they could do to improve the invite process. The invites are capped now, so you're going to have two at the moment.

[4:57:10] Yep, totally able to work now that I figured out the setup. I'll share a picture. But once you get your keyboard height right and your monitor height, it's pretty easy. And you get used to it. In fact, I find that I zone out while working and look down and realize I've walked a couple miles, which is pretty great. Is there a difference between the walking ones and the ones where you run? I mean, it sounds like that they're pretty similar by the structure, but is there something which makes them not suitable if you want to, for example, run? I understand they are heavy, so you don't want to properly run in the place where you're working. But just hypothetically, if you would like to use the running one for walking, would that work as well? Or is it that the motor will burn out because of the different load? The only difference in size, I need it to be small enough to fit under my desk and between the two legs of my desk. Most running treadmills are much wider than the walking treadmills. I also like the fact that I can hide this under the bed or in a closet because it's quite compact. We'll come back to 6.30am.

[4:58:02] Slept at around 11.30. Yeah, feels pretty rustic. Feels good. Time to fucking grind. Let's go. Good morning. Hey everyone, please welcome Patrick Collison, founder and CEO of Stripe. Welcome Patrick, and happy air chatting. What is normal? I mean, I'm just over here thinking, writing, sharing, not building anything, not founding anything. It's not a new question here. Hey, I meant that there are a lot of early adopters here. not there has been a huge influx of new people, but from the PETA testers, I can definitely give you some examples, but also check the Ko-fi channel. There might be some normal people. I don't want to define the normal, but maybe I will just stack a few people you can check out, and it's just an example, just the top of my head. So the early testers of the app, they actually came outside of Silicon Valley for this version, so there is some hope for you. Here are a few people you might enjoy following.

[4:59:03] Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like there's nobody who's like a normal person on here. Like everybody is either a tech journalist, a tech founder, someone who is just very involved in the Silicon Valley startup universe. And like, I'm really missing just, I want to talk to normal people. And I feel like I can't find anyone who's just like a normal person. There are a lot of early adopters here. Now there has been a huge influx of new people, but from the PETA testers, I can definitely give you some examples. But also check the Ko-fi channel. There might be some normal people. I don't want to define the normal, but maybe I'll just stack a few people you can check out. And it's just an example, just the top of my head. So the early testers of the app, they actually came outside of Silicon Valley for this version. So there is some hope for you.

[4:59:52] Yeah, it worked. It certainly worked. Maybe mute and block and unfollow will work as well. my coffee today because, well, I drank it. It is my pleasure to introduce everyone and some people a reintroduction to Mazzy. Mazzy and I used to run a physics show on Clubhouse every weekend for like two years. It was one of the biggest shows on there and it was teaching everyone about physics. Mazzy is one of the co-founders and chief science officers of a quantum computing company based in New York City and he is one of my favorite physicists. He's one of my favorite people to talk nerdy to and so grateful for him. Welcome to the platform. I'm so glad to have you hear. It's already happening and some of it looks awkward. I think as a generation we should get comfortable with the idea of getting ghosted. Seriously it's saving us a lot of trauma getting to hear the no then assuming oh something happened maybe they maybe their car crashed and they're no longer alive okay that's okay but it is it is much better. Ghosting is much better than being told oh You were being benched. You were 10th in the list. The fifth one got her.

[5:01:27] I no longer have a voice. Speechless. And the lights are pots. Once. Twice. One of the things I was contemplating, which I know very little about, is quantum computing. And I figured there's enough of a tech audience here that could help. What are the key challenges in Scalar? quantum computers and making them commercially viable? This probably sounds like a super newbie question, but it was just passing my mind. You cannot stack qubits like you can do with regular computers, CPUs and GPUs and memories and stuff. What's the hashtag equivalent here? Use a fancy third so you can search yourself because nobody else is using it. This is my first post on Earth here. Let's go. Do follow me.

[5:02:21] on air chat and as well as twitter and do visit my linkedin profile welcome what are those other places i'll recognize them my bad but if eric the original author ever decides to tackle volume two i guess it could be just scrolling through air chat and putting together all your insights i mean that'd be fun i guess there's already enough material for probably five volumes if you consider the previous versus of your chat as well. My wife. Yeah, it sounds like you recovered pretty quickly from the shock. Hey chat, is it justifiable to own a $5,000 espresso machine? I don't think they would even consider the coffee what they sell there. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. And that their voice matters. And this comes at the last minute.

[5:03:21] So I finally got on the dating apps, guys. I really didn't want to, but my friends, you know, my friends all told me to do it. So I downloaded. I love my friends. I would die for them. So obviously as a loyal guy, I'm going to do what they tell me to. So I'm swiping and I noticed the first girl's bio said back because my friends made me get on here again. And then I swiped to the next one. It says, oh, redownloaded because my friends made me get back on. And then I keep swiping. 1,000 women in a row all had bios about how their friends wanted them to get on. And I realized as someone who's in a similar situation myself, it's bizarre that none of us want to be on these apps ourselves, but all of our friends want to. But the friends don't want to do it themselves either, right? Because they're all on here with their profiles saying that their friends made them. So it's just crazy that all of us are just being coerced by these nebulous friends. And none of us have ever wanted to join a dating app of our own accord. Dairy market feed is hard. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now. I have to go to sleep. But I'm having like the best conversation in DMs.

[5:04:09] I'm having the best conversation here. I'm addicted to conversation. Content with content. Your inner voice is the new shit draft. This app makes people to realize they have a voice. Oh yeah, I forgot. You need to think before speaking. Totally optional, but you will see it in your follows. I'm still here, trying to mix this with work unsuccessfully. Just make a screenshot of a Zoom call and then you're good to go. You can talk as much as you like. Just be a little bit mindful of the topic so it doesn't go completely off tangent from the Zoom call, so-called agenda. This is Experian speaking. That sounds like an absolute pleasure.

[5:04:59] It's interesting. It's such an easy app to use. And I don't know, you can just kind of jump right into it. All the work has to feel like it's paying off now. You get to actually meet people. I used to be friends with the founder of Omegle, which rip, you know, but he developed that for a long period of time. And then the whole object was literally just making friends. He didn't have a lot as a kid. And I think that these apps where people just like pile on because they're just, they just want to meet people. They're my favorite. And this is a new way to do it. It forces you to be more extemporaneous. I think that forces you to be more open and friendly. Anyway, get some sleep. God, I have to go to sleep. I have to go to sleep right now.

[5:05:45] I have to go to sleep, but I'm having like the best conversation in DMs. I'm having the best conversation here. I'm addicted to conversation. Yeah, my biggest fear is though that things will get better and it'll become good only via a device that is released by one of the big four or what I call it, the Fab 7, something like that. Apple, Microsoft, Google, you get the picture. I think the fact that this product is so far off the mark means that one of the big guys will just sweep in and do it right if it is in fact a form factor that will get adopted widely and so the monopolies will further entrench themselves that's the biggest shame the best bet against that type of future is to build open source decentralized libraries and tech and then you can build your own device when the time is right so i just watched the humane review by marquee mkhb and damn i hope it doesn't suck as bad as he says i was really looking forward to that product um it sucks that it sucks i guess but has anybody else actually tried it what are your thoughts i hope uh how badly this has performed considering the amount of investment i believe has gone into it uh it doesn't discourage future investors from backing similar products all the time things can improve so the better life can get better the lms can get small enough or they can be squeezed into the box to do things locally.

[5:07:02] All those services which it cannot integrate at the moment, they probably can't be included there. So there's a lot of things which can become better, but it's not exactly here right now, unless you have a very particular specific use case. And I just saw the video. I haven't played around with the real device, so that's all I have. Yeah, my biggest fear is, though, that things will get better and it'll become good only via a device that is released by one of the big four, what are they called the fab 7 something like that apple microsoft google you get the picture um i think the fact that this product is so far off the mark means that one of the big guys will just sweep in and do it right if it is in fact a form factor that will get adopted widely and so the monopolies will further entrench themselves that's the biggest shame i don't know i didn't look um just try moaning and see how it transcribes it and then search for that whatever words come out Oh Tom, this is already in the next level of the Tom Tom Tomness. If all news is breaking news, then all news is no news, and therefore the news is broken.

[5:08:05] And if only negative news are news, what's the news for? It's funny to me to see people come into AirChat and immediately compare it to Clubhouse, when in my mind it doesn't actually compare in any remotely significant way to Clubhouse. But what that shows you is that there's just a complete dearth of voice-based apps out there. So the only thing people can compare it to is the only other voice-based app they know. But that's the opportunity. So you create the new word. Xeroxing, Googling, air chatting, or voicing. This is the most addicted to an app I've ever been this quickly. This app is like heroin, except the heroin is making new friends and hearing voices. They've turned faces into heroin. They've turned your words into heroin. It turns out that the real heroin was just the friends we made along the way. Just like how we take normal news and make it a breaking news. Although there's nothing breaking about it. Breaking news broke the news. See right now in response to this I would just write yes ssssss with a million s's but it just doesn't have the same ring in a chit. Right? managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's Chief Vocal Officer. I'd be mildly disappointed if HR doesn't have a voice president. They do have a chat guru. Has anyone considered the consequences of hearing other people's voices on the internet? Did you hear the great relief? Oh they have accents as well.

[5:09:38] Oh my god we're bringing this up again. I take it as a given that whatever you do in public, and I mean just whatever you put out there, it's public anyway. So that's the easiest rule of thumb you can have. So don't say anything you cannot put it out to say to the face of the person if you lost somebody else. So that makes life easier. But yeah, I would like to have some kind of lists selection. So I can just choose to see some people and have that type of feed for a particular reason. But I do love the 70 videos way of discovering new stuff. And if I only have a few selective friends, I'm seeing it's becoming too constant. And the variety and the dynamic nature of life goes away. Because when you're walking in a city, you will bump into things you haven't seen before. So I want to have that experience as well. Yes, on the same page with you on that.

[5:10:26] For sure, for the private part of things, this app is not for those reasons. If one has to and wishes to be private, then DMs are the right way to go. And you're also right. If something's out there on the internet, it's out there on the internet. That's also one of the reasons. I was never very active on Twitter, for example, or even on Instagram with anything private. Although I must say, I have delved into depths of my private life or shared it here more on Airtat than anywhere else in the internet. So that's that, and that's, I think, the strength of this app, to be able to keep it private to that degree, the concept that you were talking about. But still, I still think I need some time to train my mind or maybe my definitions of privacy to be able to really, really come to the point of understanding of privacy the way you see it here on AirChat. Or maybe create a new definition for myself where the psychological feeling of privacy and intimacy still stays without going in an extremely public sphere.

[5:11:25] Because considering we will have maybe a million people out here on AirChat, it will not be private anymore. someday. So that's the big story I'm looking at. I have some good and some bad news. The good news is that social media managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's chief vocal officer. For all the CEOs and recruitment officers out there, no, you don't want to have your social media manager anymore. The one who actually can type and copy paste and use the chat GPT. You need someone who is a stand-up comedian, is a public speaker, who is actually a thinker. But you need a philosopher who can and will act on public and is witty and can do the compact. So maybe you actually really need a stand-up comedian who is actually genuinely funny and can actually think and know stuff and can build. What is the meaning of life?

[5:12:16] To answer that question. Perhaps. I have some good and some bad news. The good news is that social media managers have a new title. The bad news is that it's Chief Vocal Officer. Are invites back on the menu? Yeah, it was getting a little bit out of hand and the novel's post here explains also a little bit of the background. I noticed that the people on Twitter who have a negative or neutral experience of air chat are generally overthinking it instead of just experiencing it. It's always easy to have an opinion and actually first hand experience it. If you browse this app without any sound on, it just becomes a more chill Twitter. Oh, but there are people and they are here as well. I miss the inner circle section of AirChat. There are lots of people buzzing here, but having the inner circle, people with whom there's a lot of comfort and interactions, would be great.

[5:13:18] I take it as a given that whatever you do in public, and I mean just whatever you put out there, it's public anyway so that's the easiest rule of thumb you can have so don't say anything you cannot put it out to say to the face of the person if you love somebody else so that makes life easier but yeah i would like to have some kind of a list selection so i can just choose to see some people and have that type of feed for a particular reason but i do love the serendipideos way of discovering new stuff and if i only have a few selective friends i'm seeing it's becoming too constant and the variety and the dynamic nature of life goes away because when you're walking in a city you will bump into things you haven't seen before so i want to have that experience as well. Anybody knows the best brand of coffee? The one you can get your hands on. Anybody else having trouble avoiding the millennial pause?

[5:14:14] That's better than the millennial whoop. But it seems that some of the masks are starting to run out of battery. It has been a wild weekend. The best launch events are... Naval has army of backup bots at his disposal. Some of those bots were even given interview to magazines many years ago. But it seems that some of the masks are starting to run out of battery. I'm convinced that Naval, Brian, and Sajil have cloned themselves to be able to keep up with everything going on all the time. Fun fact, Brian's dog is actually a clone. No joke. Brian, dig up the story. Someone said in the feed that the voice notes are actually called chits. Is that true? Does anyone know? Where did I hear this? I can't find it in the feed now, so if anyone can confirm, that would be great.

[5:15:07] The Godshit's origin story comes from the founders beta, so I will not touch that one. But chit-chatting, airchat, airchit was the dev version of the app, so it's all there, but it's been around for a while. Does anyone know what the limits are in terms of how long your voice note can be? There's no need to have a long note. You can always have another one. So it's better to have a concise, bite-size, one idea, one shit, like the original tweet. And that brings a better engagement as well. people can reply to the particular idea they can also like, they can re-chit it, and it can be a start for a new conversation. And it also makes you a better speaker, thinker, because you can be more concise, you can take the redundant words away, and you can also do it again if it's not perfect, because it's a small, bite-sized one-chit. By the way, I think we're all figuring this out together, so I don't have polished perfect answers for you. If there's a gap in my reasoning, feel free to point it out, but it is all, everything I'm saying here is subject to change, because we're figuring it out alongside you. At the end of the day, contracts and promises are only as good as the person behind them. If you don't trust the people involved, then nothing is going to work.

[5:16:14] Contracts are made for worst case scenarios in very precise situations. At the end of the day, it's all about trust. The question is, who do you trust? For example, even though this may be an unpopular point of view, I trust Elon when he says he's committed to free speech because he has demonstrated over and over that he's going to do what it takes to have free speech. I understand not everyone agrees with that because he has to follow some moderation policies in other countries and he had some tussles with various journalists, including ones who were on this platform. And I don't know the details of that, but at least from far away, it looks like, you know, you can trust him to at least defend free speech within a certain window. And so the same way, I think you have to make your own decision as to whether you trust us or not. And I'm not going to say you should or shouldn't, you just decide yourself. In terms of who's funding this, it's kind of a complicated history because the company has been around in many different incarnations. It was originally started by Brian Norgaard as sort of a peer-to-peer voice messenger, and then it pivoted and pivoted and pivoted again. And I only joined really, you know, a year ago and I got super involved just a couple of months ago. And so the recent round of funding is the most relevant one. I don't think the history is as relevant. Although, you know, those investors would argue that they paid to get Brian this far. Anyway, since I got involved, most of the funding, the vast majority has come from myself, a little fund that I manage, and from Jeff Fagnon, who is at Accomplice Ventures and co-run Spearhead with me. He's an amazing guy.

[5:17:23] Sam Altman threw in a check kind of blindly. He's not really involved, but he just, I think, believes in anything that uses AI. None of our investors has really any influence over us. They don't control anything. We run the show. And by we, I mean sort of the founders and the founding team. And it's partially unsolvable because I'm not sure that people are actually unique. So yeah, there's that. Yeah, I don't think you absolutely can solve that. It's probably more relative. Like the Estonian government issues the digital ID, and that's the, well, you have to solve proof of identity for the government passport or some kind of thing, and then they issue you that strong encrypted key pair, and then you can start your chain of trust from there. So I think that's probably the best solution we have at this point, but yeah, IDs can be faked, everything can be faked, but it's all relative.

[5:18:15] When I wake up. While you're still awake, are there any estimates for the web version? So I mean that it will solve the chits and stuff like it used to do in the previous one. I noticed that the web person switched from the previous air chat to the new one, and it only shows the empty profile. Yo, Sigil, is the translator racist? With the air chat launch, being in Dubai is absolutely the worst time. Like, I can't go to sleep. Y'all are waking up right now, I'm trying to go to sleep. Tom, how's your feed doing with following 2.5k people? For me it's pretty quiet at the moment, but it was hectic at some times, but I think you get used to it. Obviously the Algo doesn't show too much stuff beyond one hour or so, but I guess we will adjust. Yeah, it's perfectly fine really.

[5:19:09] I'm sure I miss a bunch of stuff, but that was the case before anyways. And yeah, I just see, you know, I just jump in when I find stuff interesting. It totally works. you know other social media apps you reply, you comment, you stitch, but here you just talk. Like people do. Real people. Normal people. Just the regular people in real life. On that note, I think I noticed that because you added a small plus to follow someone from the chit view or before zooming into the profile that I think I tend to click less on people's profiles because I fear that I'll accidentally subscribe to them. So if you If you could maybe remove that or make the hit area better, I think that would be nice. The same goes for likes and rich hits, when the post play button and also the see more, are also sometimes going almost exactly at the same position.

[5:20:06] The new gold standard for terms of service. I just intentionally posted my OpenAI API key to Twitter. Ask me why. Copy-paste, it's not your friend. Their API key page is broken, so I can't actually see some of my API keys. This one was compromised, stolen from one of my apps. I think somebody sniffed it from network traffic, and I can't cancel it. The air chat version of sleeping at the factory floor. This was so great. I thought a good way to start on this app is with a poem. This is Go All the Way by Charles Bukowski. If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise, don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, and maybe even your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation.

[5:21:04] Isolation is the gift, all others are tests of your endurance, of how much you really want to do it. And you'll do it, despite rejection and the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There's no other feeling like that. You'll be alone with the gods, and the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is. Making my own version of filters, I thought I'd try on some different hats for you. Snapchat 2.0 has been invented. Why hot water? Otherwise it would be called Americano. Hi everybody, except no substitutes. Introducing the man behind the AI revolution, Sam Altman. Please be polite, nice, and don't mob him. Thank you. The cliche is that humour is violating expectations. So you have a setup and then you violate the expectations of that setup and it's a surprise and that surprise is funny.

[5:22:07] But an idea that I've heard recently that I am playing with and think is a better concept for humour is that humour is safe danger. And so it's safe because, you know, the person would never actually mean that or you know that they're joking or that the context is such that it's actually okay or something. But it's dangerous because it violates something, violates a taboo or violates your social safety. And I think a lot of jokes are having the appearance of violating social safety, but in fact are safe because the person who's joking knows what they're doing. Which is why, perhaps, people who are funny are attractive, because they are showing that they know how to navigate the subtle social implications between safety and danger. I think the people that are going to get burnt out with air chat are the ones that continually re-record their messages.

[5:22:59] It may feel uncomfortable at first, but the value is in just posting raw. Over time, your conciseness and pros will get better. That's the vision and Naval has been building it for himself, how he can always have interesting, stimulating conversations around the world, even without leaving his house and having dinner parties going 24/7 around the world with great people around him. that's such a good way to put it i hadn't thought about that it's a perfect dinner party the right group of people the conversation covers a wide array of topics and you're able to have like raw unadulterated conversation okay beautiful people i'm going out for a long walk and i will be back hopefully maybe i might just get a nice picture to share with the rest of y'all but i respond to many of your beautiful responses later on have yourself a beautiful sunday when social media is already some decades old there are so many layered jokes that sometimes you realize that the people who are here now may not even have been born so it's really unfair for them to even get the jokes listen petri you kill me because somehow i don't expect you to be making jokes because you're like you've got this accent and demeanor that sounds so serious that someone could miss that you're actually actually making a joke but that was funny that was funny now you're making me sound like I'm an influencer. I'm not gonna say that again, I promise. I'm not announcing my walks anymore. I'm not taking pictures of snacks. Maybe, maybe pictures of, you know, the views that I see, but that's it. That's it. Okay. Thank you.

[5:24:27] How to make friends and influence people on AirChat. Just talk. One thing I would like is if there were push notifications. Not intrusive, not encumbering, but something to keep you coming back to the app. I think it's been, you know, 24 to 48 hours and I've kind of almost, almost forgotten about AirChat. So it'd be kind of nice to say, hey, this so-and-so posted this. Would you like to come back into the app and check it? Well, usually the killing the app and restarting or maybe even installing it again might work. For all those requesting new channels, please be patient as we are stress testing this new feature that was released only in the past 48 hours. There's quite a few bugs that need to be squashed before we can all have a good experience with channels. So please be patient as we roll out the feature over the next week. Thank you so much.

[5:25:19] I speak for all of Gen Z here that the capitalization and the correct grammar is driving me nuts. I guess the real question is whether the app uses Oxford commas. you're not the only one making the argument wait peter you can quote tweet on here how did you just take the link and then post it as a link and it shows up i would love to quote tweet i love quote tweeting yeah you do it a good old fashion where you take the cheat link and then you post it as a url and that's how you do it that's how the original coding happened didn't it private channels that only the participants in the channel can see would be cooler than group chats in the DMs because then you wouldn't have to scroll through all of those miscellaneous DMs to get to the channel that you want to. It would just be pinned to your home feed and it would feel natural because I'd open up the app and I'd go to the home feed I want and then I would just scroll and just swipe left or right.

[5:26:17] It'd take me back to pre-launch. You have to have the AirChat OG's private room. Or if you go on a trip with people, you could make a little private room during the trip and everyone would chat. It would be fun. I think that would be pretty cool. Allow us to open up a bit more. I feel like I've crept back into my shell ever since the launch. You're not the only one making the argument. This app will be either acquired or copied by Facebook in a matter of weeks, if not days. Threads already have the voice transcription feature and they can try to copy it, but it's quite hard. Clubhouse also did almost carbon copy a year ago and it didn't go too well. This is the first app that I'm truly impressed with applying AI to something we could use every day. So first faction in Fallout 3 series is Brotherhood of Steel. Brotherhood of Steel is remnants of United States Army that evolved over past 200 years into a completely different organization and creature. If you are eagle-eyed, try to look at the truck in episode one. You will see that trucks in Brotherhood of Steel base still have that old American Army White Star on the side, but it is not American Army at all. American Army Genesis, that was 200 years ago in the past of that organization, so it's now distant memory of a distant memory. Or all they know right now is Brotherhood of Steel, which is effectively a semi-religious military organization, more similar to medieval warrior knights orders.

[5:27:53] And here's how this organization works. Also, if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts instead of just talking with people and having something to say, which is interesting and thoughtful. Thanks. I didn't think about searching that much, so I'll dig into some stuff I can find. So before you have your own following, which is going to reply to your posts and you find your favorite people, the best thing to do is to then jump into the discussions which are already ongoing and start to talk there. And this is also how you will be seen by other people. And if they reply to you, then that's how your exposure in the app will also skyrocket. Also, if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts. instead of just talking with people and having something to say, which is interesting and thoughtful.

[5:29:15] Absolutely, and that's probably the great thing about it, and those will be the new ones. TikTok created each and every platform has always created the new ones, and they have their own distribution, and then they can take their fame and everything they have gathered and monetize it, and maybe put it elsewhere as well. Same old story, over and over again. Also if you're focusing on the wrong game, if you're trying to get followers, try to be witty, try to somehow game the system for people to like your posts instead of just talking with people and having something to say which is interesting and thoughtful. So I think you have to be genuinely curious about that other person and what are their mindset and thoughts, then you are heading in the right direction. Yes, this is not for grandstanding or broadcasting. There are other platforms for that. Which is just your stereo piece and then the rest of the people are just consuming it. This is not how it works here.

[5:30:08] Finally, my thumbs never adjusted like Steve Jobs was telling. Petri, don't thirst trap my follows. I just got back. I'm taking it easy, man. I was in here for a little bit on Friday night and heard the avalanche of follow me's. Don't follow me. I'm nice all the time and then I kind of rip faces off when it comes to just math and basic science and critical rationalism. Sorry. But now this place is big. I don't even have to see those guys. Who are great. They're so great. But they're so smart. And the philosophy. It's rough. It's rough. Anyway. I love you guys. Good to be back. The Luddite mode. We might just be misinterpreting each other. Either way, not a big deal. And if you mean that, I didn't realize that it was an image. Well, that was the whole idea of the Luddite post, because if you're really a backward person, you would like to type the thing first and make it correct and use Grammarly or whatnot, and then you take a screenshot of it and then you post it. Arjan, so are we never going to have emojis?

[5:31:07] We might add something native to the app that is kind of emoji-like in the future, but why do you need emojis in the first place? Human voice is so much better. So Naval said no emojis on AirChat. We'll see about that. There's already been some experimentation, this thread has some ASCII art, but yeah it's harder if you have to use only your voice and how do you transcribe with the AI the perfect art. Well of course you should be able to follow people you're interested in conversations with them, but how important is it to have that number up there and how important is it to have a big number relative? We know this is what social media is about, people checking out how many followers other people have. Some of the early users, Naval Incluored, are already having the issue that there's there's too many people they're following and because the feed works that any of the persons you are following if they are responding replying to something that will pump up on your feed so this will multiply and amplify the content on your feed immediately and in this way you don't actually want to follow too many people because the point is that you want to have one-on-one conversations and how many conversations can you have if you're following too many people you probably are not going to have a good time here because it's about quality it's not about quantity and just collecting people to follow or followers doesn't actually serve the purpose it may serve in other media which is more broadcasting. The original easter egg. Yeah I think so like googly eyes like ooh the original easter egg like that was so clever I just I see what you did there yeah I definitely like a googly eyes. Finally my thumbs never adjusted like Steve Jobs was telling. It does sound a little bit creepy but also a fun test let's see if it works I'll try it thanks.

[5:32:47] I can't wait for this app to also automatically transcribe any other language than yours into your language so that you can keep up with everybody on your feed, regardless of the language you're speaking. You'll probably still find it in the AirChat Twitter. But yeah, that was a completely different version of AirChat. It was quite sophisticated. It was just too complex. It was, well, maybe beyond its time. It was too advanced, but it was getting a bit too complex for the regular users, so they completely scrapped the whole app. But you definitely can see and find content. I may find, I will try to dig it at the video. really cool the hardware keyboards were really nice communicator had one then ericsson phones had ones as well but they were having not the right type of a touchscreen so yeah so then i guess like i would ask right if if an iphone is roughly just a glass box in your pocket right like where where does this go from here i like the idea of being able to hear myself because obviously we haven't like spoken on the internet in quite a while i think we've had opportunities but this is one of the first that I've seen of no typing, but I can say things. I can speak on the internet when I've heard everybody else talk. And that's what I like most about this air chat thus far.

[5:33:54] The best deck is the one which is completely hidden. So why would you need something in your pocket? Well, it's probably the power source and the other stuff at the moment. But what if you just talk and you can hear stuff? Basically doing stuff without any gadgets, that would be the best but I already saw here's some posts that Cicill or some of the other members of the AirChat team are probably going to rig in the humane AI box to AirChat, so you can maybe get rid of the phone. If you're a power user on this app, we have identified that you also love the sound of your own voice. No bubble bursting on AirChat. We're all happily ballooning here on a hot air. Hashtag rude. Hashtag blessed. Rudely blessed. Guys, do you have any air chat tips and tricks? Please comment down below your tips and tricks for how to get the most out of air chat. Hashtag blessed. Hashtag curious.

[5:34:52] Zero day hashtag found. This is actually crazy. You are so right. I woke up at like 8 30 and my battery is now a cool 24%. Air chat really does take a toll on my battery life, but that's okay. it's worth it i just have to always keep a charger on me i wrote my brand new iphone's battery with clubhouse early days so yeah i feel you my phone's on 66 now it's 11 o'clock so we're doing pretty well but if i had my battery pack waste pack on i'd live without fear you need gloves because it's getting hot or do you need to upgrade to iPad mode which has a large battery. Bros, how many takes are we doing every time we air chat?

[5:35:40] I'm like six or seven deep every time trying to change my intonation. One take when you don't hear anyone. Was this app invented so that we could make sound decisions? Who doesn't need a sounding board? I think it's going to really focus the main initial user base on people who are actually smart, which is probably the right call. and also for the tiktok generation with the short attention span so if there's too long gaps between the words and the message doesn't get across it's not a good service he stated that he goes to sleep when there's one million users and i think no god said that when there's one billion users so i don't know maybe they are actually having some kind of acquisition under the wraps so meda is soon going to be part of air chat so these can these guys can get to sleep well maybe it's part of his contract, you know, it was stated no sleep until first million users. He's standing by its respect.

[5:36:35] Maybe so. Dude, go to sleep. You need to sleep. That would be the ultimate practical joke by Meta and then convert it to open source free speech platform for all. How does everyone here read books? Are you a purist who reads from front cover to back cover? Or do you hop around trying to get at the most interesting content for you. What do you mean by reading? It's all about audiobooks, listening. And remember, like, if somebody was speaking to you in your native language, and it wasn't their first language, and they made a mistake, what's your reaction going to be? I'm assuming you're not going to be mean to them, right? And so I think it's just remembering that people appreciate effort, and nobody expects you to be perfect. And especially if you're somebody that speaks more than one language, you know how hard it is. So this is a welcoming place, and I would encourage you to practice and to learn and to mess up. And it's going to be great. I once was trying to speak to my aunt, and I speak Arabic, and I was trying to talk to her about the earthquake. And I had no idea for what the word for earthquake was. So I was describing it as the earth is dancing, the earth is moving, which she found hilarious. But you know, those types of things also make connections. The Arabic word for earthquake is zilzal, by the way. So there you go. We both learned something new. You're making mistakes while you're speaking your native language as well. It's not about hitting the perfect score on every sentence. It's about communicating. And you don't pay too much attention about it and not everybody is a perfect. They've written native language or spoken so it should not matter that much. So how do you guys overcome the fear of messing up when speaking a foreign language in public? Well it's better to speak than not speak so you are only fooling yourself if you're just hiding away and not communicating and people are willing to help you if you just let them do that so just speak away you're already speaking another language. It reminded me of AMP, the Amazon app which was just closed down, where you can just do your DJing, do your talking, and then you just have the playlist. And yeah, it was fun, but I don't know why it didn't catch up. Thanks, I was not aware of that one. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts there's video, but you don't use the

[5:38:46] app in shower or bathrooms, there's a better option and it's called closet. Well, I don't think you heard any reverb in my previous audio, right? And also there is no reverb if you speak quietly. Pro tip, don't talk from the bathroom. It has to reverb. Go into the closet instead. The sound environment will be just amazing, almost like in a studio. Even if you don't have a walking closet, as long as you can set your head into the closet, you got it. No? Let's see. Sit with the video on. That wasn't even this version. That was the previous app. This one's even better. Hashtag blessed. Hashtag blessed. The entire world is a big podcast now. The entire world is a wave function.

[5:39:41] How do you think the video platform looks like? It's such a delight seeing so many people finally experience AirChat and the beauty of this platform. Congratulations to all the early users too. We've literally seen a bestseller in making. It's such a delight seeing so many people finally experience AirChat and the beauty of this platform. So I can just give some advice like download AirChat and post this picture and people will know what to do? Why don't you ask from AirChat? This was my first. Yeah, that's how the original reposting started and that's how you do it on Mustadon, still, yeah, the good old-fashioned way. Spotify, watch out, air chat is coming.

[5:40:42] In shit, near you. I'm so excited to see how other apps react to this and maybe if they come up with more features which involves just voice. Yeah. Threads already has the transcript voice audio option there, but it takes more than just replicating the technical features. And because the business model is also different in each and every app, this also makes it really hard to copycat. and usually copycats are not that successful if your business model is not the same. For example, in TikTok's case, they worked a little bit different and they've been successful, but it's still an ad-based system, so Meda has been taking over some of the video parts. But yeah, it's interesting to see how people try to come to the voice app market. Can somebody please explain what this meme is to me?

[5:41:33] You will thank me later. Oh, so I can just give some advice, like download AirChat and post this picture, people will know what to do. Can anyone remind me that I have a family and I have to spend more time with the kids rather than just chatting on their chat all day? You could always invite them on the app, but maybe that's not the best of ideas. This was my first. Spotify, watch out, air chat is coming. In shit, near you. Yeah, it seems a lot more difficult than just opening up your podcast feed and seeing your favorite shows come up the top and you just click play and forget about it for the next hour or so but i have every confidence that um the air chat team will fix that issue and come up with an equally easy way to just sit on air chat for a few hours without thinking about it so i look forward to that but there's also the fact that it will change the nature of the discussion as well podcasts usually have a quite a lot of redundancy so you're probably are listening them in a double or triple the speed because there's not that much information density and here the information density should be pretty high so that's why this is more like a tiktok or real or short tweet.

[5:42:33] And if you're compounding these together, that's the episode. But what it is really, is it like five minutes, 10 minutes, which is the worth of the one hour of regular podcast episode. Obviously, there are different types of content and some of it's just like soothing from the hip type of discussions, but others are just the deeper conversations. So it varies, but this I think will change the nature of how do we consume audio content, but also that you can mix and match. you can combine the best of different parts of the conversation and choose your route because other people can also add and join the conversation at any point that's the hope it should make podcasting more competitive with tiktok and youtube shorts and instagram reels spotify watch out air chat is coming in chit near you i'm on a caffeine detox so i'm not sure if This is the right channel for me, but I'm still on it, and it's making me really, really want to have some coffee.

[5:43:33] Clipper used to have a pretty nice and large variety of different infusion teas. AirChat makes everyone's voice a radio voice. It reminded me of Amp, the Amazon app, which was just closed down, where you can just do your DJing, do your talking, and then you just have the playlist. And yeah, it was fun, but I don't know why it didn't catch up. I'm definitely a black coffee only drinker. A lot of that actually has to do with me being lactose intolerant. I'm not going to lie. Just when you want the caffeine, you want the caffeine. And I just stopped messing with the milk. And I know there's so many different alternatives now. Oh, almond, soy. But I think I just got used to black coffee. So that's me. 100% Arabic are black only. They are coffee and they are diesel. And the other one is not for drinking. So yeah, pure black coffee.

[5:44:22] If you are a great thinker, then you have no trouble converting your tweeter skills here because short tweets are hard to make. So in that sense, this is also the bite size sound bites, but it's just a different delivery method. And surprisingly, this is also quite synchronous. So if you're having a good conversation and both parties or the small group of people who are talking are at the same time here, this is a really lively conversation going. But the difference is, for example, for Twitter spaces that anybody can at any time jump into the conversation at any point without feeling that it's interrupting the conversation because it's just the beginning of a new conversation and this can go forever. So in that sense, the synchronous conversation, which may be the initial kickstarting point for the conversation, can keep on for years and years to come. I was running a company in Switzerland, and I had the brilliant idea to go to Finland because it was going to be very dark during the winter months.

[5:45:17] So I went for about a month and stayed in Helsinki in a tiny little apartment and worked all day and all night with no sense of time and met some of the friendliest but quietest people in my life. It was a very cool time to focus on my intentions for the company, and even though it didn't pan out, it did lead to an acquisition, and I'm really grateful that I got that time to hone in my focus. that's a rather unique approach usually when it's dark and cold people are going to southern france or mediterranean or other places where it's warm and you can get your productivity up but yeah yeah and i'd argue it's a much better experience having uh you know 100 one-on-one conversations than sending one tweet to 100 people chit chat tomato tomato now the point of a conversation is to connect with another person and have fun doing it.

[5:46:05] Start rubber duck debugging and use AirChat as your rubber duck. I'm sure the results would be great. We need more technical content on here from what I can see. Yeah, thanks for the convo and I will post a picture here. So after you have posted the cheat, there's a plus sign and that enables you to paste the link. You can type the link, so you have to have it on a clipboard and there's another icon for the image. So those two things you can do and you can also stack as a third thing with the same tool. boom please no if you want to boil it into economic terms twitter is a marketer's app and airchat is a business development app yeah it does seem like right now everybody's statements are pretty well crafted and intentional.

[5:47:01] So, but I wonder if that's going to change as the app grows and people would be more casual. It would just be like sort of having conversations with strangers in real life where you're not really thinking too much about every word you say. So you have to look at this from different vantage points. On the one hand, there's people that are just going to be here to enjoy the purity and the beauty of conversation and talking to great minds. But others will come on here to network. The networkers will always keep a clean image. They will always want to sound super smart. They will always want to sound like they've got everything figured out. And so you have to always be aware that people are not here for the same reasons. And it doesn't mean that those who are here for casual conversation are better people than those who are here for networking. I think you can achieve all of that. But I'm most interested in beautiful conversation. And so that's what I'll be, you know, maximizing my experience here for just deep and meaningful conversations, and maybe some good friendships that spawn out of that. Are the GitHub comments down this weekend? Because everybody is just posting and chatting here.

[5:47:59] that's called product market founder fit dude if you aren't addicted to your own product what are you doing man a total double whammy you're addict to your product but on the other hand you should be actually improving all the time so how do you split your time between consuming and using the app and building at the same time while you're also debugging it and finding all the ways it doesn't work and it should be improved and knowing then feeling the pain of doing that oh the overheating that's why you need to shower take the cold showers before going back to the code mine capitalism and public toilet philosophy i'm on air chat i don't think i need podcasts anymore it's all bite-sized now anyway podcasts are made out of air chat now going for a run in the first thing in the morning that's the greatest thing ever but it's sometimes hard and what i notice as well is that sometimes in the at noon before you have your lunch you do the workout and that's also a great thing so you can already work in the morning and then you can have your physical exercise and then you will recoup over the lunch and just relax but you already have done the hard part and then the evening is so go free to air chat without the need to do the exercise.

[5:49:05] I love this observation of yours with the negotiating part because this made me realize that when you're negotiating you may win the fight but you still lost energy and that energy could have been put to better use. So I will optimize even better from now on to not even have the fight. Just, I made my mind, made up my mind, and that's it. Easy. Go and actually reach the peak, not just walk the path towards the peak. Hey Naval, I met you at Patrick's party back in February. I never got to tell you how much I loved your podcast back in 2019. I see you haven't posted any since February this year. Are you not going to have any more podcasts? I'm on AirChat. I don't think I need podcasts anymore.

[5:49:56] It's all bite-sized now anyway. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts, there's video. Don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a video option, and it's called Closet. Don't you think introverts are also going to be afraid of recording something? I feel like some people don't even want to record their voice. Most likely, but I think they still want to communicate and there's been some evidence of introverts using this tool. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature and for extroverts there's video. But you don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option and it's called Closet. I don't think it's for introverts because introverts don't like to do even voice chats. So yeah, it's for a bit more than introverts.

[5:50:49] There has been already some evidence for that by the founders and builders and the early testers of AirChat during the years. Who is your cannery in the code mine? AirChat tweets. Duh. Yeah, I agree. Morning workouts are the best. And also it just sets up, you know, it's just a great start to the day. I will pass along your compliments to my spotter. Going for a run in the first thing in the morning, that's the greatest thing ever, but it's sometimes hard. And what I notice as well is that sometimes at noon, before you have your lunch, you do the workout. And that's also a great thing. So you can already work in the morning, and then you can have your physical exercise, and then you will recoup over the lunch and just relax what you already have done the hard part. And then the evening is so-called free to air chat without the need to do the exercise. Finally, it also works the other way.

[5:51:39] I've been just talking with some people here and I don't know who they are. And then I just checked their Twitter profile and it seems to be, oh, they have quite many followers there. I agree with you. Actually, I overlooked the synchronicity inherent in AirChat. And the reason is, is probably because I didn't realize that I'm actually using it recreationally in the sense that I suppose like most of us where, you know, maybe we're sitting on a sofa. We have some downtime and we're using it in a very synchronous fashion, which is actually, to your credit, very different to how people use voice messages, which is they leave a snippet of audio which might be picked up in anywhere from two minutes to three hours or even later. So that definitely leads to a very different temperament within the user and a very different UI, UX. However, yeah. First you post the chit, you record it, and afterwards then below the chit there is the plus sign, which you post and then there becomes an icon where you can then attach the image.

[5:52:36] that's for the iOS. Unfortunately, I don't know how it works on Android, but I guess there's a similar logic into it. Apologies in case I mispronounced your name. That was perfect. Thanks. This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts, there's video, but you don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option, and it's called Closet. Well, here's an introvert trying his first post from his closet. Let me know how it sounds, okay? This is an app for introverts with the audio feature, and for extroverts there's video. But don't use the app in shower or bathrooms. There's a better option, and it's called closet. Well, here's an introvert trying his first post from his closet. Let me know how it sounds, okay?

[5:53:29] Sounds perfect. Welcome. This is an app for introverts with audio feature and for extroverts there's video. Well, I wouldn't label this app one for the introverts, but okay. Well, here you can read more about it by the co-founder of AirChat, Brian. Not really. Several people have joined the platform having no idea who Nuval is and just had a fantastic discussion with him because he's an amazing conversationalist. And many people on this platform have come in and been unknown but amazing conversationalists or have gotten better at being a conversationalist. So yeah, it all works pretty well. I think if you use it for a week or so, you'll see. Finally, it also works the other way. I've been just talking with some people here, and I don't know who they are, and then I just checked the Twitter profile, and it seems to be, oh, they have quite many followers there. 10 kilometers. Or it might be he's having some acid reflux while running. I'm also having the same when I'm going to gym, so just on antacids right now. So if you create interesting stuff and you can find somebody to talk to then eventually people will see it and they get more followers.

[5:54:32] It's very merit driven. You have no right to amplification. You have to earn it. How to edit my post. It doesn't matter. You can always stack the person. Finally, a social media app I can use while running. My addiction has achieved total... 10 kilometers. Hey Naval, you have a bug where where Scandinavian users can't be added to any +45, +46, +47 numbers. A lot of people have been messaging me about that. And every time it's a Scandinavian, I say, yeah, I can't help. But I don't know how the whitelisting works in that case. Yeah, I don't know how to invite a user via an Apple ID. The craziest idea I've had is to take that song and publish the actual project file and have people submit versions of it to me. And then I'll just give feedback and then we could like make the whole song on AirChat. I don't know. It's a little bit crazy. It's a little bit out there. little bit out there um but i do it well that was the thing which actually took off on clubhouse on the covid times i get to know a lot of musicians who were playing synchronously and it was the magical amazing thing when two musicians come together and they never spoken to each other but they immediately start to jam and it just rhymes even though there was a lack and i am still in contact with some of these so yeah totally i can see that happening here hey bro i heard you like crypto so we put some crypto in your crypto so you can crypto while you crypto for the verified cryptos camps. This is the place to post them all at once, so we don't need to put them around in different places in this channel. Total money loss guaranteed. If you want to quickly join any open channel, photos which are closed, you need an invite, but for the open ones, you can either try to search them by the name, title, or you can type in the title to your browser, and when you have the URL format correct, then you can just hit the return, and it will suggest to open it on the app, and then you should be able to join it by the channel's front page. So here's an example for the Ko-fi channel and just replace Ko-fi with the word of the channel you want to join.

[5:56:30] Is there a way to quote my tweet? And also like what are we calling these things? Tweets, posts, chats, air chats? What do we call it? You can take it as a link and then you can put it to any of your other chits and they're called chits. AirChat has gone from a close-knit community to a full-on platform in a matter of two days. The channels are going to come to the savings, so we can hide there. AirChat has gone from a close-knit community to a full-on platform in a matter of two days. So how quickly are we going to see an AirChat influencer that turns out to be a text-to-voice AI bot? Because the voice is more than just, well, the audio waves. It's also about the intent, it's about emotion, and it's the way you say it, and what you say, and how you say it, and all those things. And well, how much you enjoy talking with Siri is the same thing. If there's nothing behind it, it's more like an informative channel. Well, maybe you want to hear the news or the weather, I read to you by the bot on AirChat. Might not get that many followers, but at least in Twitter's early days, that was really the thing. So maybe the audio portals and the audio bots are thing here as well. I think I want to see the video version. I don't think they work yet on Android.

[5:58:09] There's a fallout channel. It is on Amazon Prime, so all episodes are already out. It's just Kamal being smart and responsible with his time, unlike some other people in this channel. Panko proven and tested content it is then. Hey everyone, open this thread to find a list of open channels here on AirChat. And yes, the speed is a little bit faster than you speak, but you do not need to slow down. You just find the speed button from the play/pause button on iOS. No, there's no dark mode. Don't ask about it. You will get banned.

[5:59:12] and you join channels by updating the app to the latest version, or if they are closed, then you have to ask somebody to join them. And no, there's no directory for the channels at the moment. They just have been started to be built, so there's nothing yet available. You just think that because I was artificially slowing my voice down, so I don't sound like a meth addict. when token i have to really pronunciate when because it keeps coming out as one but we want to know when when will there be a token never how's never for you is never good never I should definitely also add my machine here. So I've got a La Pavone Italian 1960s style handle over press E61 group head machine. Interesting. It has a lot of qualities and I don't remember, this is many years back, why I didn't actually then consider buying it. Probably it was that I wanted to have a water boiler as well. So my machine at the moment is Rocket 58.

[6:00:24] This Sunday starts with a high bar on content. I love the part that you mentioned, Petri, about human connection because this is probably the only network that, well, for now anyway, really adheres to that idea of Robert Dunbar as like anthropological limits of human connection. It's almost like in a strange way, it almost feels like I've just found a new pen pal in you, but really it's like a chat pal that just is, I guess, shared to our nearest and dearest digital avatars and friends. But anyhow, awesome to meet you, mate. Love what you've been sharing, contributing to it. Thank you. Ah, finally a platform where emojis are replaced with emotions. This Sunday starts with a high bar on content. That is a timeless question. It's not the question of our time. Oh, but definitely it is. We need the machine who can answer that question. And maybe Ilya saw something along those lines.

[6:01:13] Why is it speeding up the audio? How do you slow it down? There's a speed dial behind the pause play button if you long press it, and that will give you the option. so there's no need to slow down. It's just a better user experience because people tend to speak a little bit slower. So while you're listening to it, it's more smooth. Welcome to the AirChat weekend. Now we're entering into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing, which works here. Indeed. If you're on iPhone, just make sure that you're on the latest version. It should make you to see the join button. For me, it took a few trials and killing the app for it to finally work, but that's the way to do it.

[6:02:38] Everyone, welcome to the brand new Fallout channel, where we're going to discuss all things in Fallout universe. Definitely, given that show just aired and show is extremely well done, probably you will have lots of questions of what's going on in the show, what are all these various factions. so we're going to be answering questions about the show and about Fallout Universe at large. I plan to start a few threads about basics what will help you understand the show without the spoilers. In the meantime, here's Fallout Universe timeline that can help you connect the dots what is where. This is open channel, feel free to join, ask questions and have fun and as your ruthless overseer I will be heavily moderating it for highest quality content possible. So don't get Matt if your message is getting deleted. It's just overseer exercising his powers to make you stay in the world as pleasurable as possible. I'm really torn between recreating Ukraine Room, which probably will be highly interesting to lots of people, but if past two years are any indication, every time I finish session in Ukraine Room, I will end up being 50% more depressed than I already was.

[6:03:43] And second one would be Fallout Lore Room. That would make me very happy to discuss, and of course it will not be interesting pretty much to anybody other than few hardcore fallout aficionados here, and will represent, well, basically the usual escapism into gaming world from real world problems, such as Ukraine Room. It seems there's a popular demand for the room. Fallout Room is already officially created. Just use search function to search for it and join. It's an open room. How do you join a channel? Some channels are also private, so you have to ask to be included in the term. We're not going to remove anyone over their ideas. It's just for calling names or going crazy or just being boorish. It's about the attitude, but the content, you can do. You can say whatever you want. I think essentially what you're trying to solve here is provide freedom of speech, but have a civilized way to host the discussions.

[6:04:41] I think not having freedom of tone while having freedom of speech could just be it. I think that could just do it. And at least it should be enough to bring down the majority of all the hate violence and hate speech out there. Maybe even bar some forms of content like nudity and harassment and all of that should make the platform much more efficient than X and foster more meaningful conversations that don't end up in emotional turmoil. oh man you guys really got to fix the ux i didn't realize this was already part of a thread where you already said you weren't trying to overtake x so uh my bad i am deeply committed to freedom of speech don't worry unfortunately elon doesn't actually have a very good track record on free speech and as we know you know he's banned and um downranked and done all this stuff to tons of journalists myself included which is really frustrating um as somebody that cares deeply about free speech and free expression. I hope that whatever moderation tools you do roll out on this app, you give users transparency to see, for instance, things like their account status, appeal any violative content. And I am a big fan of the community notes moderation system on Twitter and community oriented moderation in general. So anyway, just had to share my thoughts.

[6:05:54] Thanks again for making this great app. It's been fun to play around with. We're going to try and put as many of the moderation tools in the hands of the users as possible. We want to be as hands-off as possible. That said, sometimes you just have no choice. You have to act because someone's doing pornography or spam or impersonation or just being incredibly rude. And we're far, far more likely to moderate for tone than for content. We really don't want to moderate for content, but we will moderate for tone. I think of it as if you were invited by a friend to a dinner party. You would be free to express your disagreement and your opinions as any civilized person would in a nation that has free speech. However, if you started screaming obscenities at the host or insulting them to their face or, you know, making rude noises in a performative way that they did not welcome and that was inappropriate, then you would be asked to leave and we would do the same thing. We are going to start the coffee channel. What do you drink? What do you love? How do you brew it? What are your favorite gadgets and contraptions?

[6:06:46] Let's go. This is my first post in the new air chat. And it only accelerates from here. That's right. We're just getting started. I have a serious question. How does everyone feel about me starting a cult here. Was this a feel for cultivating signups? Why is there no dark mode? That feels pretty important. It's been a known hidden secret that whenever you mention dark mode you are in a very dark place in this app. You're probably gonna be almost muted, banned, and ignored. That's dark. Just had to be sure. You never know. It might be the deal you just been waiting for whole your life, and it was just in a blink of an eye in that spectacular air chat weekend. Suck it up, fire hose.

[6:07:37] Air chat, full feed. 2K Tom. All right, it's like after midnight nearby and I need to go to sleep. So I'm going to unplug myself from the feed and we'll see where it's gotten in the morning. Godspeed to you all. Now it's safe to post. Tom will not see these things for a few hours. So maybe one or two hours before he wakes up, you have to stop posting if you don't want Tom to see this. Tom, the delay with follow buttons is that they have to run AI personality metrics on the backend and generate this virtual AI person for you to follow. Exactly. That's the best there is because everything is local. Nothing gets anywhere. The environment tanks, there's no server farms needed. you get all the likes you need and you get all the satisfaction and none of the emotional concerns and distress handling and dealing with real people. But seriously, there's like a real loading problem with follow buttons.

[6:08:32] I don't know if anyone else has it or if it's just me because I have so many. But yeah, like it's people's follow buttons don't show up. I have to click through their profile in order to follow them. So yeah, it could just be me. While we're reporting new issues, the more unknowing one is that when doing a reply, it doesn't show up after the shit has been done. And it's really annoying because you don't know whether it actually went through. And if you're somewhere down in the feed, in the main feed, you have to go all the way up and go to your profile and verify whether it went through. And then you lose your position in the feed and you have to scroll down again. I just checked your following and you're still at 2,000. Bro, you're jacked in. You see every post. You're going to be the reason why your user partition gets hot. like starts getting throttled it's crazy now we know why he followed two dozen people to find the cat corner i've still never seen any network gracefully manage this problem of if my friend or even an acquaintance sends me a follow request it feels mean not to follow them back and if i pity follow people my feed ends up with people i don't actually want to engage with and it drowns out the content that really matters so i hope there's a way to like politefully decline i wonder if anyone can figure that out even though it's still asynchronous it still happens some of networks allow that you can do silent follows or you can do them by some lists. So this allows you to either follow everyone and accept them and not really use that feed or some other way to actually get what you want and still be so-called polite. It's not all in the name, isn't it?

[6:10:00] I actually tried orange juice with espresso and I think there are scientific bases to mix it because of the acidity. When you add two acidic things together, they cancel out and become bases in in the body so they're far more easier to digest by the way and i must say i have done this a lot i tested it a few years back yeah it wasn't too bad but it's not something i've done ever since i'm not sure how it happened but now i'm following 2100 people and uh i'm getting a handle on the feed it's actually uh it actually works pretty good um yeah you know i've had a good amount of coffee today too so it's uh yeah it's going good i like it first takes only what's up quacky The new Siri that gets announced in June will be both better than people are expecting and worse. For instance, is it really going to code as well as Microsoft Copilot?

[6:10:49] I don't think so. But could it answer or show us how to get back to our car? I sure hope so, because it doesn't tell you that today. You have to ask it, take me back to my parked car, please. And then it does. It's like, God, I wish Siri was smarter. Do you know how they're going to integrate some kind of LLM to Xcode? And is it as bad or as good as the Copilot? Come on in, Gary. Just hit the microphone button and record something. I know you're good at this. You're good at YouTube. If this is your first night, you have to fight. What's up, guys? I'm here on EppChat. Welcome, Ken. Good to see you. I've noticed that sometimes they're just happy to get the answer and then they just want to get rid of the question and not look maybe stupid or they just feel like that it doesn't serve any purpose anymore. Or they just don't think too much about it.

[6:11:42] But yeah, salivary. I think if you apply the house party lens to this, here's somebody who maybe had a little bit of social anxiety, didn't want to be there anymore, took off, went home early. Maybe they got a text from significant other family members saying, hey, get your ass back home. I wouldn't be much more into it than that. There's also the possibility that if you are quick to reply and somebody just posted the shit and they think that "oh I missed something" or "I want to do it again because I want to do it better" and then they delete it and then you already posted it and it becomes an orphan and it's at that case I don't think anybody's fault. Who's on Farkaster or Warpcast? I heard about the new update through Dan Romero as he talked about it there. Looking to connect with other users from Farkaster? Hey Alex, welcome back! I think you were in the previous version as well and we already connected it in Forecaster. Yeah, you can find Romero here. There are some people already and even some threads about Forecaster here. A quick piece of feedback that I noticed, I think I noticed it in the previous air chat as well. I just tried to record with my phone connected via Bluetooth headset just to improve my mic quality and it doesn't seem to do that.

[6:12:50] to do that. So it does seem to stream audio via Bluetooth, but it does not seem to pick up the external mic, which is a shame because I have one and it's awesome and it has sound effects. I would really like to improve my recording quality on here. So tagging Sigil, who's probably crashed after 75 hours of no sleep. But yeah, please give us access to external microphones. Thank you. The regular audio, I think it's for legacy purposes, like a headset. It's a mono thing. And for example, in a clubhouse early days, you couldn't put it on and the stereo didn't work and there were issues. So, for example, the audio interfaces usually stop working when the mic is needed. So that's the first indicator that things are not really working or they're not being recorded properly. And yeah, it's, I don't know, is it complicated or it's just the way it is, the usual Apple thing. Welcome to the AirChat weekend. Now we're entering into the phase where people are throwing everything at the feed and seeing what sticks. Maybe the old tricks from other social media are working, posting memes, trying to be funny, putting engagement farming, one-liners, and inventing a lot of things except the real thing which works here.

[6:13:56] Sure, I'm not doubting that at all, but it's not coffee, it's coffee-flavored drink. Don't look up what an espresso tonic is. It's not all in the name, isn't it? Pro tip, don't talk from the bathroom, it has to reverb. Go into the closet instead. the sound environment will be just amazing almost like in a studio honey no i'm not crazy i'm just talking to my friends on air chat in the bathroom it's all good sir honey whatever you say wow i think we're done here it's enough hot takes for one day i've actually tried this drink and oddly it is pretty good they didn't use espresso they they had to have the coffee crema, which is something that I know that the Nespresso machine can pull off.

[6:14:51] I'm not sure. It's only specific coffee machines can kind of pull it off, where the coffee creates this like foamy creaminess on the top naturally. But yeah, it was actually, it was a tasty drink. I was shocked. Sure, I'm not doubting that at all. But it's not coffee. It's coffee-flavored drink. Anyone getting stage fright when they hit that button in the middle? I think the number one fear is public speaking. This app is awesome. It's great in the sense that it gives you a sense of everybody's voice, their tone, makes it more intimate, but at the same time it kind of feels like grabbing a hot mic in front of a crowd of all of your friends and partners and business peers. That can be intimidating as shit. Curious how people feel about posting so far, and Brian, Naval, if you guys have experienced that feeling at all. You just hit it enough times and you get used to it, and first takes are good enough. It obviously helps if you've been doing a little bit of a public speaking before, or even if you've been practicing with previous versions of air chat or having your own podcast. So all those things get you used to your own voice, listening to it, and also doing things live without take backs, because that's what we're actually doing. If you're on stage, for example, speaking, you are not taking it back. So it's the same thing here, but it's not so serious. You can always delete things and hey, it's just life and nobody's charging you as much as you probably are yourself.

[6:16:02] During two weeks on air chat, I had more meaningful conversations than during 15 years on Twitter. Okay, so first you pull the espresso, you put it into the shot glass, then you put a few cubes of ice in it to cool it down. And then instead of cold water, you get super carbonated sparkling water or soda water, and then you just pour it in there. Bubbles up. Delicious. Amazing drink. Tasty, fizzy, coffee-y. The best. Wow, I think we're done here. It's enough hot decks for one day. Yes, in that sense, Noster to me seems like the king in exile. It's not going to go anywhere right now because there is no heavy censorship on Twitter. But if Twitter were to ever get taken over by the government or shut down or go back to censorship, Noster is the natural successor. I just don't see a token-based, blockchain-based solution being the successor because that still ends up being too centrally controlled. There's still a money incentive behind it.

[6:16:54] And something as simple as the Twitter protocol, and it's really a protocol, not an app, should be free and open. We've been discussing it here and in the previous version of AirChat during the year. But I gave a quick answer. Basically, the early days of Twitter, it was the API, which allowed a lot of innovation and third-party services. And this is not really happening in Nostra at the moment. The hurdle for new developers is there. The integration and the documentation be really developer-friendly, quick to start with the libraries. And everything is not in a place that supports really good user experience for the new users. because the integration needs to be in place starting from the client and then to the content moderation. Also content sources, meaning the algos, then who's going to pay for the relays, the file services. If you want to have videos on images and all those things, the integration between the value chain is not in a level that AD Proto and maybe even at some level Farcaster and Mastodon are having, which are some of the alternatives.

[6:17:54] It's interesting because what you said about text, being able to go back and edit it, I think is important in some ways, right? You want to be able to clarify your message or add nuance or add detail. Whereas with AirChat, you don't have that opportunity. And so that error correction happens externally with someone else coming in and pointing out something wrong or bringing up a new point. And I think it's interesting because the medium is the message with this. If you have someone's blog or essays, you'll be able to see far stronger clarified points. But here, the things off the top of their head might be a super powerful thing to see. it might be really good for building two great ideas. But it's interesting because it is inherently going to be filled with more flaws, more mistakes, more errors, more things that need to be proven wrong. AirChat makes you better think, and the results are in the checks.

[6:18:46] I think it'd be funny to embrace the persona of the guy who takes forever to form sentences and is extremely annoying to listen to. Oh, you mean the one who hasn't really posted the first post yet, who already has signed up but hasn't formed a sentence yet, and that's the state it's gonna be for the next year. Naval, that can't be true, right? But I'm trying to think, I don't know if I recall a woman on before. I'm pretty sure that's true. If Jess wasn't the first woman on EirChat, then it was Diana or Dawn running DMC. Can anyone tell me how to upload a photo? First you post the chit, you record it, and afterwards, then below the chit, there is the plus sign, which you push, and then there becomes an icon where you can then attach the image. That's for the iOS. Unfortunately, I don't know how it works on Android, but I guess there's a similar logic into it.

[6:19:39] Okay, okay, I got it. Thank you. It's interesting because I think AirChat will be a far less curated source of content for people, because you don't necessarily know how people will reply. And then if you don't engage in conversation about your ideas, that's probably a sign of cowardice. And so you get to see very quickly what people really think. You get to see how they engage with dissonant ideas. And I think hopefully you'll see that your heroes are flawed thinkers too. And that's entirely fine. You just have to understand what they're all about. Well, that's usually the ways you're going to the regular social media. You post something with this like engagement farming. So it's just to draw attention and make people to talk about you. and obviously we'll reply to some of them. And that's the whole purpose of it, but it's not really about engaging in conversations or having some idea to share.

[6:20:32] Thank you for the invite and the kind words. I definitely had a great time in your high school classes, despite my laziness. Luckily, I did a lot better in college. Welcome, Jacob. What is it that you do at EMD? Voices. We are voicing so loudly here. Oh, yes, Peter, I agree. I'm a voicer. You're a voicer. We are voicers. That sounds really nice. Hey Ryan, I actually never got a chance to play with Clubhouse. I just never got invited. But what would you say was the reason for its failure? Was it just because it is audio or was it something else that happened in the culture that developed? What do you think was responsible for it? I'm asking just to understand what your thinking is on the cause of the failure of Clubhouse. If you open the floodgates at once without these guardrails, then stuff can happen and will happen.

[6:21:30] I totally, totally agree with you on this. And it's something that I've thought a lot about. And I think that's what you see a lot in tech companies that have these giant growth. Especially when it comes to social platforms. That's where it's most dangerous. I think if it's a service where the people are not talking to each other, the object is the service itself, and that's what we are there for, then that kind of growth is amazing. When it comes to social systems, that kind of growth is actually very dangerous because it's a very delicate thing, and it's in the human. The human stuff cannot fly too fast. Speed dating doesn't work most of the time. This is an interesting conversation to have. I was thinking the same thing. Somebody was asking what people on here are called. Are they called tweeters? Are they called redditors? What's the term? And all that came to mind for me was people.

[6:22:28] Voices. We are voicing so loudly here. One cool thing I've discovered so far is that you can get to know someone pretty well by just going into a profile, allowing yourself to start listening to them. It will auto-scroll and essentially take you through the whole feed. You'll just get to listen to everything. And you don't even need to stay on the app, right? It's like a podcast about this sort of individual and what they've been saying. And I just consumed two or three people's entire timelines, and it's been pretty cool. I feel like I genuinely know these people a little bit more. Awesome. Yeah, it's also a wordplay from the saying that never meet your heroes because you usually get disappointed. It's the same thing if you've never heard anyone speaking out loud, maybe you don't want to hear their voice because you might be disappointed. You've got to yield the lack of vocabulary as a weapon. That's the key. Simple language. I don't think that's a problem. It actually can be even an advantage if you have a... clear ideas and you can talk them simply, that's even more powerful than using a lot of complex vocabulary and verbose replies which are not really saying anything.

[6:23:26] The bread is there, it's at the top of the image. And the cigarettes. Okay, this app needs to chill out with the punctuation, I never use this many periods and capitalizations. Cremely, 2.0. So I'm currently in France and I wanted to show everybody what the typical French diet looks like. like. Please, eat your mouth closed and the mic off. Oh my god, the guy is already cross-posting. Oh, I thought he was cross-posing. I was waiting for the follow-up reply, but the baby laughing is quite good. So after you have posted the picture, there appears a plus after the post on the bottom of the chit, and you push that one, and then you can put links, you tap, you have to have it in a clipboard, and this works on iPhone, I don't know whether it it works in Android yet and there's also icon for images and then you can also tag people so there's a search where you can just input the name of the person so you can also those three functions happen on that one.

[6:24:26] Ah I see now thank you. Thanks I guess it's all about the audio equipment and well maybe partly about my voice as well but yeah certainly the tech helps. No very cool I definitely see it. It's Erchad. Yeah chap. We're going to see who likes to reply. Are you winning? The app where any shit is a beginning of a new conversation. Well, if you just feed in all the stand-up comedian routines and maybe the whole Seinfeld pack catalog, I guess you can squeeze a few ones. Good idea. Let's try making one. Canned jokes. You can do one-liners and you can copy those and you can deliver them and you can practice to deliver them properly but it's hard to hide if you're in a almost synchronous conversation so you have to quickly respond almost in real time and be witty. That's really hard to fake unless you have some kind of a secret LLM feeding you all the wittiness. All right I'm gonna give up.

[6:25:34] Well, if you just feed in all the stand-up comedian routines and maybe the whole Seinfeld pack catalog, I guess you can squeeze a few ones. One of the paradoxes of AirChat is that on Twitter, you can hide being unfunny by just copying content and people kind of read it in their own voice. But on AirChat, you have to actually be funny. Otherwise, it just doesn't land. I hear Krok grinsing. Prediction. Uber drivers are going to have the largest community on AirChat by far. There's this New York City bike messenger who is probably doing more from tweets, tips and subscriptions than he's doing from his actual job of delivering food and stuff. But yeah, maybe taxi drivers are having enough time to have deep conversations and they have the latest rumors. You can already hear Zuckerberg seething at the thought of having missed inventing this app first.

[6:26:29] And there's a team of 10 people actively infiltrating this app and trying to figure out how to copy it. Thanks. I guess it's all about the audio equipment and, well, maybe partly about my voice as well. But yeah, certainly the tech helps. Some people cannot believe for some reason that my voice is real. And I'm just like, why? Like, what if, what if, like, you're not real? Right? Like, what if you're not real? Just a few seconds of video and all the doubt will go away. So how does the feed in your chat work? Is it just everyone that you follow and the more people you follow the more people you get on your feed? Or is it just recommended from everyone? The basic idea is that the people you follow and who they're talking to but there are some complex rules around hiding spam and trolls and people that you or they may not want to hear from. The fundamental dynamic is that you want to de-risk technology as fast as possible because that is the risk. Like seeing if it works and seeing if people can use it and working with the kinks in that.

[6:27:27] but it's an absolute killer if the bottleneck is a regulatory approval process. Regulatory risk is just the worst thing. You want engineering risk because you can actually move the needle on that, whereas policy frameworks are very slow, massive inertia, brutal to work with. Yes, because you're defining something which is unknown, not known yet, because if the technology is still emerging and you haven't discovered all the things, or the accidents, which are usually the best use cases of some technology, they're not what the original was intended, or the consequences are still to come, and if you regulate it too early, it will never happen. I think that's why everybody's sounding so fast because it's like the second or third time they've said the same thing. Obviously also helps if you know what you're talking about. So has anyone made a toilet air chat yet? I remember that was a big deal in the early days of Twitter, toilet tweets. Maybe it's alliterative, so it should be more like an airplane air chat or something.

[6:28:17] Anyway, just asking for a friend. Airing the chits should not be taken to literally. "Undating is basically soft porn." I thought that was Instagram. "Loving your voice doesn't mean that other people love to hear your voice." "It's okay, Petri. I'm not a dollar for everyone to like me." I was thinking all these humble pracks where people just love to hear their voice and talk about all the fantastic things they've been doing lately. I think there's also truth to the inverse of that, which is that although tokens do draw in a short-term crowd, they also do tend to keep some people for the long term for reasons aside from the monetary incentives. And I think increasingly as the tech stack is commoditized by AI and whatnot, social apps or places that want to gather people to create a network will need to increasingly use token incentives to incentivize people to join. It certainly can draw certain type of people when you incentivize by monetary gains.

[6:29:21] But for example, this app is an example that where you don't see the monetary gains, they are not tokens, there's nothing, and you still get people here. So the motives are not always monetized, but it is actually dividing properly the people as well, and it's not a bad thing. Popped over Twitter, and this was the first post that I saw. Thought it was interesting, relevant to AirChat. Let's discuss. Because the issue usually is that you're creating your social graph from scratch. This can be a good thing in some cases, but oftentimes it's just a drag to go another place and start again, start to follow people. And if a lot of other people are following, then you're just following the same people you're already following elsewhere. And the most important thing, do you really own your content? Can you actually export your content? Do you really need to do it again if you decide to leave and move elsewhere? There are activity pubs, there are AD products, there are some new protocols which allow you to do that, but they're not so famous and popular yet. So we are stuck in a defragmented world, and there's no defragmentation program as we used to have in the 90s.

[6:30:18] Holy shit has a new meaning. I've been learning Python the past few weeks, so I decided to set this weekend aside to build something I've been mulling over. So I'm excited to see if, one, I can build it, or two, I just give up and scream out of frustration. It could very well be the latter. That sounds like a lot of fun. Enjoy. I think he's breaking some limits of trying to read some round numbers. 48 hours without sleep or maybe 72 or 96 or 100. We will see. Exactly. I think one of the lessons I learned over the years of being a software development is don't cite unreal expectations. That is so important. I deal with product management all the time. And they're always trying to convince me that this feature takes a couple of days to implement it. and well, what about testing?

[6:31:09] What about the impact, the risk? You know, as a programmer, we're systematically asked to make the risks and then also all things included, right? The bugs, the fix, the test coverage, the documentation and the release. All things should be considered and adding all those things up, it could be easily like double or triple the original assignment. Yeah, usually you don't know how long it will take. It takes what it takes. If you want to do it properly or you want to do it fast and then you 10 times the total time with all the bugs and debugging and all the harm coming your way because you didn't think through in the first place. I want to introduce Mark Andreessen who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here and everybody say hi. Tagging Mark here. Finally a person who speaks at the proper speed. Welcome P-Mark. You know I don't really miss it and I don't really need the caffeine for energy for me personally once I've gone through the withdrawals entirely. I do drink decaffeinated coffee which has maybe, I don't know, 5 milligrams of caffeine probably in each cup, so it's pretty small.

[6:32:09] But yeah, otherwise I don't really need it, and then when I do want a little boost, caffeine in coffee is very, very effective. It's great. But while I was not drinking coffee, the good thing was that I actually went really deep to herbal teas, and there's a lot of good stuff you can get from them, and I think that's still my favorite way of keeping hydrated. And yeah, so the espresso machine is good for the boiler as well, to get all the hot water. You're definitely still up-coating, aren't you? I think he's breaking some limits of trying to read some round numbers. 48 hours without sleep or maybe 72 or 96 or is it 100? We will see. VCs already love this app. Speak out and find out. I have a feeling this app is going to be really hard to use for people that hate the sound of their own voice. This app will make you to love your voice.

[6:32:58] This app is a dream comes true for voice tech super users, a.k.a. you. Yeah, I'm going to definitely have some rant opportunities here. Awesome. So there's definitely some exclusivity here to the fact that I had to pay more for my iPhone. I kind of like that. Another snobby Apple user drinking overpriced coffee, watching the sunrise. Life is perfect, Sigil. BSA, you can block or mute any account on this app by going to their profile and clicking on the three dots. Oh, me and critical rationalism. I guess I'll do the the abbreviated version of the story. So I was interested in fundamental physics. I was studying in Oxford. And I was aware of David Deutsch in an academic context, really. So he'd written these really important papers on understanding probability in quantum mechanics. And these really wild papers, like there's this one called The Logic of Experimental Tests, particularly of Everettian quantum theory, which had a big, big effect on me.

[6:33:51] So, you know, I'd seen him talk, so I was a fan. And I guess when he went on the Sam Harris podcast in 2016, I realized there was a lot more to it. I read his books at that point, the second one at that point. and I think he's fantastic. So yeah, David does great work. I help out where I can. Obviously, I'm very lucky to know him. I love to help him. We don't have anything we're working on that we have to announce at this time. Anything like that? Speaking of finer details, I think it's time, and I wouldn't want to ever put pressure onto David Deutsch. He's got enough on his plate, but it almost seems time for yet another academic paper on the logic of experimental tests, specifically because he talked recently to Naval and myself on the Naval podcast about how he, David Deutsch, now views three different things that go under the umbrella of what is known as an experiment. He talks about measurements, demonstrations, and crucial tests.

[6:34:44] They're all used synonymously. However, the crucial test is really the crowning jewel of science. It's the thing that distinguishes between two different good explanations. It's the rare thing. But everything that's done inside of school science classes, deemed an experiment, really is just a demonstration. And a whole lot of things that scientists are doing day to day in the laboratory are actually measurements. They're not testing their theories against some other good explanation, that's the rare exception. But perhaps this will all come up in David's next book. However, I think that is truly cutting-edge epistemology, or philosophy of science. You will find the limit when people unfollow you because you're blocking their feet. Goodness no. If that's true, then that would be about as useful for measuring chit lengths as light years are for measuring distances to the nearest train station. I think I'm a little too verbose for chits. I think we should look at Naval, for example, or Arjun, people who actually know what they're doing when it comes to talking without getting carried away off onto tangents and saying too much.

[6:35:40] So one Brett Hall, whatever that length is, is going to be useless for measuring the typical length of chits. Let's call it one Naval or one Rav. That might be good. One Rav. Then both Kamal and Naval, the average length of their chits would possibly be better. that's over one voice now i think that might work yeah but the bread hall unit i don't think it's for shit it's for topic so like don was cleaning the house so it's probably a podcast unit isn't it and i don't think it's a bad thing because the things you're talking about are they take time to build uh and explain so take it as a compliment bread hall is a unit for a long-form discussion and maybe that's the new discussion topic what we were also using in the previous uh air chat the room topics. So yeah, bread hall is a unit. We just have to define is it a hundred navs is one bread hall. I was asking the same thing. Like, how do we join these channels? Like, does the admin invite people or other members invite other members?

[6:36:38] There will be open channels and control channels. And so the open channels, you can just join the control channels. You have to be invited. And we are still building both of them out. We literally just started this project like 48 hours ago and the launch happened at the same time. So they're roll out in little bits and pieces. They're not quite done and won't be for a little while. Channels functioning like pinned lists is a really good idea. Shout out. They should have done that for Twitter communities. Might have had a better chance because that seamlessness of swiping left and right on the timeline. Now you can have home lists and essentially public groups or these channels. That's pretty neat. We will simply add the concept of the super-duper follow, and those posts go to the super-duper reverse-crown feed, and that way things will never get overwhelming, and following is mostly just cosmetic and seeds the recommendation algorithm feed. If you want to really follow somebody, you super-duper follow them. Oh, now we have to get Soncarol here, super-duper guy. I don't know if anyone else has felt this way, but it feels like AirChat is at a time where very influential or high net worth individuals are very easy to reach and using that opportunity feels very urgent. And so I wonder if this is part of the design or if this is going to just kind of go away as more users join. I'm curious what some of the people working on AirChat have to say. What do you guys think? Well, just be you and contribute, but don't just do it for the purpose of getting attention, because that usually is not a lasting strategy, and if you don't have anything to properly say, it's better to be quiet. That's a very good point. I would definitely love to be more active on this app and it's kind of ironic that the thing I'm most vocal about is this kind of meta process that I've been thinking about how to be more active on this app. I just learned that if you press and hold the play button you can actually speed up the playback. Try the same for

[6:38:50] the cheat and you'll get a few options as well. Damn this is what I get when I try and virtue signal sleeping less. I get ratioed by Max Sky. Max Sky's Russian expectations are... I need to match them. I need to be better. Thank you for pushing me. Oh, don't invite Adrian Monk here. Are we gonna have to resurrect Air Chatter's Anonymous? Because I think, Naval, you also follow over a thousand, but Tom is close to two thousand. I don't even know how that's possible. Yeah, they're not exactly the same as rooms, but it's the closest thing. So it's a topic or channel like in a forecast. That's pretty much my understanding. And they can be private or semi-private. But I don't know the details. I'm not part of the team. But it's coming. So yeah. Tom, you're following 2,000 people. That's insane. Cut it out.

[6:39:44] Wow, the race is on. Who is for 10k? Thanks, Nicole. I strategically crashed at the 32-hour mark so that I could sleep for another four hours, but I'm back at it. I think I can do another 36 hours or a whole weekend. We're cranking, we're cranking, we're cranking. Let's go. I have no caffeine in my system, by the way. I'm just dosed up. Holy shit, this app is wonderful. Based on the statistics, I think if you hold for a few more hours, then you can take probably off for the next six to eight hours because it's not the peak time of engagement. At least that's how it used to be. So get a little bit of sleep if you can, because it's a marathon and job well done for whole team it's been amazing just keep in mind this is the peak hour now so it will slow down at least it used to be doing that so maybe the alcohol will come to save you it's that is like being in that dinner party but like any good conversations usually involves just a few people maybe only two people not just a really narrow group of people so they are like side chats which are the real thing where you can go deep and have fun and then Then when you're having enough of it, then you can jump to the next conversation.

[6:40:47] And this is what it is. But unlike the regular party, this never ends. Hey, Paul Davison. Looking to build something new yet again? I think this AirChat launch has been so insane. The app's so good that it's breaking. There's a new build to download every single minute. The whole team seems overwhelmed, so I'm just hoping the AirChat team gets a moment to go to bed. I know Sejal's been up for 30 hours. Yeah, this is so exciting. I gave it two days, at least in the first part. Just keep in mind this is the peak hour now, so it will slow down. At least it used to be doing that, so maybe the alcohol will come to save you. I'll probably end up having to just destroy my entire follow graph and start over, because I made the mistake of trying to follow everybody on the app before I realized people were coming in too quickly. That escalated quickly. I feel like, honestly, I don't know if there's like a word limit. Should I like test the word limit of AirChat right now?

[6:41:39] because I'm like so awake and I think that it's really cool that I'm getting a live transcription of a podcast like that I'm writing as I'm writing this post it's like kind of cool there's already an unofficial shit length measurement unit called one Brett Hall how much that exactly is maybe only Brett Hall knows but I think some other people might have some ideas as well I'm Jack directly into the main feed and it's gone from a good caffeine buzz to too much methamphetamine. They don't call it firehose for no reason. No man, this is chit-chat worse. It starts as a chit-chat and then suddenly it takes over the whole social media. Well, I can only consider this a smashing success of my campaign of blackmail and extortion of the past six months. So as soon as you give me the button to create the room, oh sorry, to create the channel, Ukraine Room will be recreated with a brand new update on everything that is going on.

[6:42:40] Is there another way to whitelist some people to get to the invite list without asking their phone number? Because the Apple ID is the alternative and for privacy purposes and operational security for some people, that's not smart to ask for the phone number. I think we need to follow less people. In the meantime, Cameron is working on an algorithmic feed. Cameron to the rescue. Selective feeds would be an alternative as well, which works for other social media. So we can choose some people and maybe put a name on that one, and you will just selectively choose to see these people's replies and feed. And this would be another one, basically lists. I'm on your phone. I'm getting there as well. What I notice is that the chronological feed is getting a little bit exhausting. If I've seen the stuff, it's hard to get the new stuff because there's so much happening.

[6:43:29] So I only see it the last 30 minutes, one hour. But there's 12 hours worth of stuff to go through. And I cannot get there because the existing stuff is on the way. I think AirChat needs an introvert mode. The video option is for extroverts. For people who joined over the past few days, within 24 to 48 hours after your first use of AirChat, you will start suffering from AirChat optimization syndrome, which means that you pretty much will be unable to use any legacy messengers that rely on text, and you will try to leave voice messages in all legacy applications. So the good news is that actually is doable. You can do that in iMessage, in Telegram, in WhatsApp. You have to wrangle the UI a little bit to find the voice recording button, but you can use all legacy apps in AirChat mode, and you will look incredibly weird to all legacy users of this app, but that is the future. They will learn.

[6:44:25] air chat's all about voice but i also think it makes it easier for anybody with something to say to be a writer because voice to text does it for them anti-remedy is silent treatment hello world and greetings from helsinki finland milos uh when we have more finnish speakers here it might be checking out the transcript for example in my previous one it would be mikko M-I-K-K-O and it adds something to the end which it's not supposed to do. So maybe it was just the odd shot, but just a heads up. I want to introduce Mark Andreessen, who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here, and everybody say hi. Tagging Mark here. Blocked and reported. The whole time, Elon Musk was worried about Zuckerberg, then he had to worry about Naval.

[6:45:18] Elon has a lot of things to worry about, but we are not one of them. We intend to stand alongside X as a platform for free speech. I want to introduce Marc Andreessen, who invented the internet browser. Introducing him here, and everybody say hi. Tagging Marc here. Can someone get Oprah on here? We need Oprah on here. I think the most valuable aspect of this is that we all sort of have the same feeling that we're experiencing, and that it didn't even need to be said. It was sort of felt. And I feel as though the message that you just posted was actually similar to how we're all feeling right now, And that, while it's quite surprising, it's mostly just surprising because it's different than the other social media experiences we have. It's not all too different from the experiences we actually have in our regular lives. Exactly. That's why I tried to make that analogy of coming out of a cave. We are rediscovering something we lost online. We already have 101 direct messages. Check the lower right-hand corner for the envelope icon, and more are coming soon.

[6:46:11] Are they end-to-end encrypted? So what's the equivalent of trying to join the conversation, but everybody keeps shouldering me out and I'm stuck on the outside wishing I could partake? More seriously speaking, it's your comment replies, which never get any responses from anyone. So you have, so to speak, one-liners, but they don't really start a conversation. I think I'm going to be the first person to buy an audio interface to connect my Shure SM7B up to this app so that I can DJ my voice notes. They should work okay. I've been using them for more than a year. So anything which can be put into your, at least iPhone or iPad with the cable should work. Been tested. A Slack feature where you can see where everyone's cursor is. AKA Curse Pointer.

[6:47:00] Fuck, I already have a copy. We're in the autobverse already. You're already way ahead of the curve. You have so many tricks in your pack that you can just release as a zero-day AirChat experiences. no lie, AI just stands for anonymous Indians just ask anyone doing the Amazon shopping experience where you walk and wait for your receipt for hours wow, it is amazing to watch this app absolutely buzzing so many conversations it's totally impossible to keep up now and it's beautiful and especially on the west coast hello world how is everyone on this wonderful app today why prantly talking i uh worked with a zen master for a few years and we did something called keng ans it's like a question like an example being like what was your original face before your mother and father were born or like who you who were you before the universe was created and things like that so these questions that are fundamentally unanswerable and the way that she articulated how to use that koan or that kung on was essentially hold it in your mind as if you were looking for your keys and how is the experience of looking for your keys like and then you know approach these questions in the same way and just lean into those emotions and that experience going beyond the words breaking into non-duality the beauty is also that you can take your time to think through but also nobody can interrupt you So you can say your piece.

[6:48:40] And the best part is that if there are people synchronously having a conversation, so you actually almost like having a Twitter space, but you are not over-speaking. And that's the beautiful thing when it happens as well. But obviously other people can join it, and the conversation can keep on going for weeks and maybe years ahead. That space to think and the fact that it's this non-committal conversation where you can just disengage at any time, force ideas to be short, concise, and get to their point quickly, which I think makes the points here a lot more powerful than a rambly conversation. Also, people will not share things, so you will not get the satisfaction of seeing the likes and the reports if you're rambling too long and it's not a bite-sized thing, which can start to be a Kickstarter for a new conversation, or just consumed as it is without having the full converse context.

[6:49:36] I've done thousands of hours of audio spaces on X.com, and this is quite different and fairly addictive. It also forces you to think through a little bit about what you're going to say because you got one shot at it, where on Twitter spaces, it's more like a phone call. You just yak it up and the quality can go up and down. So it'll be interesting to see how the quality stays on this versus like the X spaces or Clubhouse. The beauty is also that you can take your time to think through, but also nobody can interrupt you. So you can say your piece. And the best part is that if there are people synchronously having a conversation, so you're actually almost like having a Twitter space, but you are not over speaking. And that's the beautiful thing when it happens as well. But obviously other people can join it and the conversation can keep on going for weeks and maybe years ahead.

[6:50:28] Haha, thanks Sigil. I appreciate the support. If I make it through tomorrow, I have a comment about this, specifically about David Goggins. Isn't it a weird thing how I just said haha because that's how we text? That's like the text version of us laughing in real life. That was really weird and I'm not really sure I like that I did that. Yeah, well said. I mean, I think that's the paradox. You know, ultimately, the mind, which only perceives duality, will always perceive enlightenment as a place to get to, as an object and something to seek. I think that's why, you know, Buddhists use koans because it's a place to concentrate the seeking and the suffering on a single point that the mind simply can't grasp. What is Mu? so close I'm definitely going to do a painting for sure. I've never done one all black like that. So I'm curious how it's going to look.

[6:51:47] It's weird painting with black because it reflects so much light, especially after you varnish it. I'm trying to figure out how I can paint it in a way that when you look at it, you can see the image and you don't end up getting like light hitting all the paint, you know, peaks and valleys of the paint. But thank you, man. I appreciate that. It was, it was kind of hard taking. I took the eclipse photo through with my phone using the sunglasses on my little camera, like putting it on top of that. And then looking through that through another pair of the eclipse glasses it was probably look like a complete turkey doing it but thanks dude i appreciate you i'm so glad you made it uh i've done two total solar eclipses both with our kids both were absolutely magical uh and yeah it's such a brief moment uh that's that's over in no time uh but it's a shared experience with so many people around the world um and uh yeah i'm looking forward to your painting i can't wait to see it voice is so back i really thought this would be the first social app where I get my first name as my handle, sadface. Since you're early, you can get any five character username. Like my friend Dar is at based. You could also just get it now.

[6:52:48] Hello, Yash. Thank you for sharing this, even though I found it really hard to believe. But thank you for sharing. And as Sido said, stay hungry, stay foolish. You know, we can only live once. Enjoy your life. The party goes on. sigil's dad your son really is a hero not that long ago i was walking down the aisle of a church and at the other end was my husband-to-be sam bankman freed and sigil burst through the doors and stopped the marriage from happening he yelled out you know he he protested against the marriage and i'm just really glad he did because he saved my life spiraling into a complete mess and my now husband would have been in jail so big big thank you to you for raising your son so well Before I wrote my maid of honor speech, I asked Twitter for advice on how to write it. And multiple people were like, you seem like the kind of person that would have given a lot of speeches at weddings. And I was like, I have never given a maid of honor speech, but I've given a few eulogies. And they're practically the same thing, right? I find that if you just treat everything in life as a eulogy, you do pretty well.

[6:53:52] This app feels like a walkie talkie on a global radio frequency. Hi, everyone. It is my absolute pleasure to introduce you to one of my favourite people in the whole world, Dr Chris Matman. He is a wonderful human. He won a Pulitzer Prize for his work on the Panama Papers on the technology behind that. And he's also, because that's not good enough, the Chief Technology and Innovation Officer over at NASA JPL, alongside a bunch of other things he does to uplift the community and the world and make the world a better place. So make sure that you connect with him, chat with him, talk nerdy to him. He is just such a great big ball of energy. Oh, thank you, Arjun. Thank you so much. I didn't know that you work for AirChat also. And later I learned it from Twitter. Yeah, you guys are great. This ad, I like it so far. Much simpler than the old one. And nicer. Can you tell us the most embarrassing things E2 will ever do as a child?

[6:54:49] I have noticed that it's the California evenings and nights are pretty active and sometimes also the morning times. But my experience is that's the best time. I'm in Europe, but it seems to be pretty slow during the daytime. It will catch up during maybe in the next few hours when the U.S. is waking up East Coast first. But especially when the California wakes up, then things start to kick off. Agreed with Petri, that's my experience too. There used to be the bipolar days as well. I don't know whether it was the auto-even days, but every other day was like the crazy mode and then it was the deep discussion mode. But I think that has faded away in the last week or so. That was also something very distinct. I was just thinking, when AirChat has the most traffic during American time zone, European or Asian time? I was just wondering. Anybody who can tell me? I have noticed that the California evenings and nights are pretty active, and sometimes also the morning times.

[6:55:51] But my experience is that's the best time. I'm in Europe, but it seems to be pretty slow during the daytime. It will catch up maybe in the next few hours when the U.S. is waking up East Coast first, but especially when the California wakes up, then things start to kick off. I'm out. Thank you. Hey guys, please help me welcome a family friend of mine. His name is David and he is a software engineer. He's kind of nerdy and he enjoys to get into intellectual discussion. So I think AirChat is the perfect place for him to hang out and he's into games. I have no clue what kind of games he's into.

[6:59:05] but hopefully he enjoys the space. Welcome, David. We also have a phenomena out here in Australia called bin chickens. They're a big part of our society. Please do yourself a favour and Google bin chicken. They really look like a next level of evolution for the urban life from seagulls. Fair enough. Professional actors and voiceover actors, they'll make a living of it. And if somebody really wants to rig the system, they already now can do that. I think it's possible to do it if you really want to have an AI system. Even I can just play some music elsewhere. This one you just have to plug in an audio device, so everything's possible if there's a will to do it. I think it's actually hard to read something out loud and sound authentic, like it's yours.

[6:59:54] So I think that's enough of a barrier for me to feel like there's a meaningful difference. Proof of human. like you have to verify with the captures. And nowadays it's just like you wiggle the cursor, you do a little bit of uneven movement, so you don't have to type in the characters. So similar thing, yeah. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Imagine getting catfished by AI. Is it worse than getting catfished by a scammer? Speaking of which, Brian, is there going to be a way that we can verify our accounts? Let's wait out this one first. while real people are talking here. The best part about AirChat is it's LinkedIn post-proof. There's literally no way to create one of those here. It's fantastic. I'm clearly new around here, so someone show me the ropes.

[7:00:46] Occasionally, it might be worthwhile to have a long pause for things. For example, if you push the chit, it will give you a menu, the pause, play button. If you have a long push of that one, then you will get speed, etc. etc. So there are some things hidden. I'm so grateful and honored and humbled to accept this blah blah blah. Yeah, no, it's actually brutal. Literally, LLM's AI bots write better than humans on LinkedIn. That's how you know it's fucking shitty. It's the recycling center of content created elsewhere. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Yeah, this is true. And there are certainly AI OnlyFans creators. But, you know, I also am of the opinion that, you know, OnlyFans has a pretty negative effect on both the consumers and the producers' mental health. Indeed, there are a lot of lonely people who even know that it's fake, they still go for that because it's better than the alternative.

[7:01:50] Ooh, we had voice image on our old app, which was pretty fun. But for exports, oh man, we could do this in the fall. They brought a lot of value for the voice, and especially when you're importing them to, or I mean exporting to other places, they were really nice. But also here, when you were checking the rooms, they added more to the substance to the discussion. This app should make me a better speaker. Instead, I think it just makes me quicker on the delete button. thumbs up this is the best lamp from ikea it's a cylindrical 360 degree lamp that's a floor lamp use your feet to turn on and off the vibes are immaculate it just makes your warm your home so much more warm ashley kept bugging me i'm joking i love you ashley but ashley followed up like two or three times i was like oh my god what lights do you have what lights do you have so yeah they're bomb they have also pretty nice led lamps which are smart so you can even change the color and you can quickly put them up to your system so you can call siri or whatever you like and do weird stuff and they are really affordable and amazingly for example one of the switches i was having broke down i don't know why but the guarantee warranty was five years apparently for that i don't know 20 bucks thing so there is one minor cold store problem with air chat and is that the entirety of the platform and its user base is just comprised of Huber Bros that go to bed at 9 p.m.

[7:03:17] So 1.30 a.m. air chat is kind of dead. But there's so many coffee drinkers here that they definitely are up at all hours. I'll be the contrarian. I don't think AI girlfriends are going to be a real thing for anyone except the most niche use cases. Except when you don't realize that it's one. Twitter feels like somebody's on the stage and we're all in the audience just clapping. air chat feels like we're all sitting in a circle around a warm fire just having conversation. We are all chipmunks anyways. Is it possible, at least theoretically, that when you speed up, well not double but triple or more, that you would sound like you do in 1x? Probably needs some kind of clever algo and needs to adjust quite a bit of things, but is that even theoretically possible?

[7:04:07] Hey girl, oh, you never heard of me? I'm a niche internet micro celebrity. Haven't you heard? I'm famous on air chat. You wouldn't know. Yeah, to be totally honest, as somebody who's been a victim of the Twitter algorithm and also a huge beneficiary of it, I totally understand why people look at some of the bigger accounts and want to emulate that. One of the things I have never done is buy followers, and that means I've had kind of linear growth in my Twitter with every bump usually corresponding to some kind of crypto bull run. And I do get why people suddenly want to hack their way there with all kinds of clever techniques they read in guides. But as you and I know, just keeping it real is actually the thing that resonates because people can sense it. And it means that you don't have to strategize content, you just issue your thoughts into the internet. Yeah, just some scouting thoughts again. On Twitter, keeping it real gets you followers. On AirChat, keeping it real gets you friends.

[7:04:59] It's funny, I was just thinking how nice it would be to be able to drop in a music link on this app. on this app or stream some music or something. Is there anything you'd recommend that you've listened to recently? You can drop links. There's the plus sign after you have done your shit. You can put photos and you can put any link there. The only rule of your chat... I guess there's no rules on your chat. There's one rule and it is talk now, tweet later. I'm just starting my morning walk and I would love it if I could kind of get a summary of interesting conversations without having to open up the UI. Just hit play and listen to it like a kind of dense podcast as I'm going for a walk or a jog. That's an idea for someone to make a summary of the latest and greatest of the last 24 hours or even 12 hours and put it in a podcast format you can just consume. There's a bunch of engineers, there's a designer and a few useless people, including me.

[7:05:57] I think the chief officer who explains to community how Plus Button works should have the title of C++. Please report this person, he's giving fake advice. Let the easter egg chase begin. It is shocking how many generation-defining movies all came out in 1999 in that single year. It is actually quite shockingly a long list of good movies. Forget about the social network. Think about all the different characters. Not only the team, but the characters in the community. And the relationships between team members, team member and community, community member and community member. The different layers of topics and conversations.

[7:06:48] The ups and downs the team's gone through with different versions of air chat. Oh my gosh. What a story. It was the night after Christmas, the devs are still coding. A slack thread begins, and a discussion starts exploding. We should burn the app down, and start one anew. And so they did, splitting up into two. They tried this, and then they tried that, and soon, like magic, the vision was exact. Locked away in Cuba, with bananas so ripe, they made their escape with potassium explosions. The timing, so right. Evidence is fleeting though, a fat finger gone wrong. Did it ever happen? Or to myth, does it belong? Today the journey continues, and the big launch looms. What will come next for Hair Chat? Will they bring back brooms? I'm very curious why there's a drastic difference in the quality of chocolates we get in India as compared to the ones imported from abroad. Even with the same brands, you can notice the difference so easily.

[7:07:56] That's a common practice they've been doing for a long time. The brand is the same, but the contents of the product can change quite a lot depending on the purchasing power of the market, also the local taste and the competitive situation. So yeah, it's not the same product in all the markets. the air chat origin story movie would be the best new startup movie forget about the social network think about all the different characters not only the team but the characters in the community and the relationships between team members team member and community community member and community member the different layers of topics and conversations the ups and downs the team's done through with different versions of air chat oh my gosh what a story you caught air chat and that's how you activate dark mode on air chat if you like this content please like subscribe and turn the notification bell on for more tutorials just like this please report this person he's giving fake advice wow i wonder what doki doki means because there is a doki doki something store in Ometosando Hills in Tokyo, which is one of the weirdest stores I've ever been in.

[7:09:08] And the store hunter is this girl who dresses up in the craziest ways. Anyway, yeah, Doki Doki brings back some memories. Doki Doki means the sound of a beating heart. So like essentially it's what like your heart would sound like. It's just used a lot to be like really cute, like Doki Doki sounds. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only? because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciator in order to execute this one. It's true. I would also liken this conversation to the raw unbridled chaotic dance of nature and the universe. A tripod voice dance. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one air chat is the dark souls of ascii art or voice art it's sale writing or just plain chat gpt yeah that's a fair point in fact air chat seems like a really great way to collect data even to for example create a robot that can imitate people on the app so it's definitely something to look at but for now it's pretty cool follow me for more insightful philosophy where are you leading us prophet astray is this what it's called addiction switching did they ever petri did they ever matter birds think so and for the real artists here how do you do ascii art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript. So you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one.

[7:11:00] Instead of just direct transcription, we need an agent also looking for activation keywords, and then we can have a whole suite of tools we can use with our voice. Voice, me, bots. When are we going to have an API on AirChat? It's hard to say. They've definitely missed the boat in AI, but that's because they've never been good at cloud stuff. On the other hand, they have the best hardware-software combination on the iPhone, and they're even building their own chips, and they do it really well. So I think a lot of it just depends on whether AI can unseat them or not. And if AI turns out to be as important as a lot of people are projecting, then that is a threat to Apple. And if AI is overblown or kind of at the peak of a local hype cycle and needs 10 years to mature, then Apple has a good chance, and they need to start buying a couple of AI companies. Although right now, the AI companies are so overpriced that Apple may not be ready to stomach that. Is there a chance that Apple will have the Nokia fate? Nokia was good with hardware, but it was never really good at software. And in this case, Apple never really has been good with the cloud. And if AI is becoming its new computing platform, and yes, there is the AI component, the hardware component in it, but could that be the case that Apple is actually missing the whole thing and becoming the new Nokia?

[7:12:11] Fair enough. It is good that they tried something new since Jobs' roadmap was done, because I'm assuming that AirPods and Apple Watch were still on Jobs' roadmap. Jobs was mainly about the big radical ideas. He was first when he came in the 90s, he chopped down the whole variety of different devices into almost a single one and saved the company. Then it was the music industry with the MP3s and the iPods and then come the other devices, the phones, etc. So I wonder whether Apple can still do this type of completely new eras where it hops different technologies and defines new categories. And is that still possible or is everything already invented or where is the new Steve Jobs? Okay, time to delete Twitter off my phone again. Way too fucking addicting. All social media apps really, but that is my crutch is Twitter. So bye-bye for probably another month.

[7:13:00] Air chat engaged. Is this what it's called? Addiction switching? Yes, I'm quitting cigarettes and I'm switching to Zins, baby. I kid you not, I fundamentally believe one of Apple's best new features is the voice memo transcription. It's amazing, especially for all of my South American, very loquacious friends. So I think I'm going to love this app. But question for everyone. If you also hate the sound of your own voice, how do you get over this cringe? Do you actually ever re-listen to your own voice memos or do you just listen to the voice memos of other people almost everybody hates their own voice because it sounds different within your skull than the rest of the world but you get used to it well one way is that you start your podcast and then you edit your own podcast and then you get so sick and tired of your own voice that you just get used to it and that's the end of it but i think if you just listen to yourself long enough you get used to it and you just get over it so it's just something pretty natural for almost everyone so i wouldn't be worrying too much about it and hey it's your voice. Next stop Dubai. Bon voyage. Maybe as a Morse code. And for the real artists here, how do you do ASCII art with your voice only because you cannot edit the transcript so you really have to be a proper pronunciation in order to execute this one. I'm actually much more disappointed with the smart speaker with Apple's HomePod. Being in the smart speaker in the home space for almost a decade there's so much more that can be done and so much more to add and innovate in that space with that product.

[7:14:28] I think the Vision Pro first version, some of the demos really blew me away. Obviously, again, it's version one, so it's gonna be bulky, heavy, gonna be annoying on the forehead and on the head, but there's definitely potential there, and you see where Apple is going with it. You can tell where they wanna get to. So I'm actually more excited with the Vision Pro. The HomePod, again, this being a voice note social media, I think there's so much more potential, especially if things start moving more towards voice. And again, looking at this app, for example, there's so much more to do with smart speakers. The whole Apple's smart home concept and implementation has been really not that great. They have just a few devices there and it's not really compatible with the rest of the things. So there's so much they could do on that front, but even the home app is just horrendous. For example, if you have some sensors, there's no way to make it to stop sending notifications every 10 seconds or so. It's just ridiculous.

[7:15:16] So it's just like somebody did something for a few months and then the whole app has been forgotten. And the certification of devices only have a few of them, and they are pretty expensive ones. So there's no integration of open source protocols and the regular standards, so you could just plug in your devices. So I guess the speaker goes to that same category. I have a pressing question at the top of my mind. What would beatboxing on this app get transcribed as? Thank you for watching my videos, and please remember to subscribe and hit that bell. Ah, so, desne. is there a verb for using this app yet like you know for twitter it's tweeting for insta it's instaing kind of for tiktok i don't think there is one yet or tiktoking i don't know that's a verb but yeah have you thought of that because what it's going to be airing is that right because as soon as you hear the word airing it's like oh airing dirty laundry or something i would go for voicing it's just occurred to me by i was just tweeting by saying first you voice than you tweet.

[7:16:19] Are you connected to any AirPlay devices or something else? I tried to reproduce it, and I can't seem to not pause something. Usually the system controls will always force the audio to stop, even on the lock screen. So I'm not sure if you also tried restarting the phone to see if that helps. It was in the previous one. I think I've seen it maybe two weeks, three weeks or so. This is where Naval and Brian Norgard don't sleep for the next 30 days. I just realized that that's something that's common. Both of them, Brian has been complaining that he has difficulties of sleeping all his life. And Naval is up here, I think, in the last seven days, at least once, 5 a.m. I don't know what that tells about AirChat, but probably 24-7 full service and availability is on the horizon. They'll be okay. It's pure dedication to the thing they're building.

[7:17:14] I'm sure in two or three years it'll come down. But like a new baby, you don't sleep for the first two years. Or three. When does AirChat get dark mode? There are corners of dark humor here. What do you reckon will be the hashtag equivalent for AirChat? Keywords. The Mad6 spoken words. The tricker words. So instead of screenshots, I get to collect error snippets. Am I correct? The virality of these soundbites is actually gonna be interesting because even that example, the link Novel gave doesn't actually tell the whole story. Somebody was asking, "Can I do my disease?" and that was the response, but you don't get that from the Novel's response. You have to go back and that's why it makes it a little bit more complicated to get the full picture and get the joke and the pun intended.

[7:18:08] My girlfriend keeps telling me to delete this app, but I like it. You are clearly talking to strangers. Can I sell this as an NFT? Choose your mode. Every app is a dating app. Radio hosts will make a killing here. Every piece of viral content is either informational, aspirational or relatable and I challenge you to give me an example that isn't. There's no one as active as Nawal on this app. Nawal, how many hours are you spending on here? Every hour I can, I built this app for myself. Petri, I think after the launch on the App Store, we are done with content bankruptcy. Keep scrolling. What do you think? Is that another word for intense? We could say that.

[7:18:59] Where do you see this app going in the long term? 10 years from now, what do you want it being exactly? Man, that cracks me up because I really started building this three months ago, or at least this version. But yeah, I do have a vision. I want everybody in the world talking on air chat as civil and polite human beings and getting along, or at least conversing in a civil way about their differences. If the leaders of the world communicate with each other on Twitter, we're all going to die in a nuclear holocaust. People have to talk to each other like people, not yell at each other like they're talking heads on CNN. Yeah, I know the team had been working on the laser projector for a long time, even before this whole GBT race kicked off. Really, I think the projector is there because as great as audio is, there are often situations and scenarios where either you don't want something to be playing out loud or you're in a place where you can't really speak out loud and maybe it's a really noisy environment. And in that case, having some level of visual feedback is needed.

[7:19:49] And I hope in the future that all LLMs, too, just get really good enough that we can completely pivot to this idea of just interacting with voice only. I know there was a big boom of AI assistants back when there was this kickoff of smart home devices with Google Assistants and Alexas and Siri HomePods. And that died down because they weren't smart enough and people didn't really like the replies. But now we're aiming for hopefully this new wave of assistants that will sort of push the idea of voice interfaces forward. And that'll be really exciting. I think it's close to 10 years ago when there was this new device, which was pretty much the same size and the shape. It took pictures every 10 minutes, so every 10 seconds or 30 seconds you would define the time. and I was having that while in a tech conference in different places and it was called Memento, Memento, something like that in the first place and they changed the name. And it had reactions from people because they started to act weirdly because they are now being recorded.

[7:20:39] Obviously, it was low-rise, two megabyte big images and yeah, it was a public place, but that was the reaction at the time and then I finally gave up on it. But it was really nice. You could remember what was happening. If you were, for example, in a tech conference, you could see the patches and so you would recollect whom you were talking with and what happened. So it had a lot of advantages, but the social impact of it was also interesting. Okay, so I'm going to kind of start a topic on the productivity tools. Who uses Calendly, kind of the mini organization tools? Is Calendly one of the best tools? Are there any alternatives that are better than Calendly? I know this debate is huge on Twitter. Have you checked out cal.com? I think that's starting to overtake Calendly. It's open source, and it's pretty good. the free version gets you covered almost in everything and probably in areas where the currently is already in the paid version. I think you're right from a creator perspective that you are more successful for having more intense opinions and you know you're kind of spot on in saying that TikTok really isn't meant for conversation but my question is how does that end up affecting our culture and how especially even like younger people interact with one another if they believe that the normal way that people speak and the normal way that people interact with politics is just so divisive and so hard set one way or the other.

[7:22:00] I mean, that's the main way that people are now consuming media and learning their news. So I'm just scared of how this ends up affecting our future. This piles up on a multitude of levels. It starts from our psychology. We are driven to negativity because it keeps us alive. So that new cell is the old media thing. And this is basically why it's so easy to start with the negative and positive doesn't interest us that much. Then coming to the algorithms, they are obviously feeding as well, which brings to more engagement and the negativity brings more engagement. In TikTok's case, it can even be that they might even intentionally drive for the havoc in the West. And all these things together, it's really hard to tackle. I think something can be done with the culture, right type of environment. And that's the platform, what they can do about human nature is what human nature is.

[7:22:49] So in that sense, when the accounts are also anonymous, so you can hide and there are no consequences for your actions, it's easier to go to this type of behavior. Please welcome Varun Srinivasan, the other founder of Farcaster and Warpcaster, the technical genius behind the whole thing and a great guy to boot. Welcome to AirChat, Varun. One of the issues which is holding back Noste is actually its core community. It's really clicked and they are their favorites and they're not really welcoming. and there's a lot of weird stuff happening as well, like the Nostia.org and com domains are not really utilized properly and how they've been handled. Also, some of the other ones, it's not really done in a way that supports the total community. It's more like that, yeah, I prefer this one and I don't like this or that. So it's not embracing for the chaos and innovation.

[7:23:39] And maybe people are starting to get a bit tired. Maybe the money is starting to run out. So people are a bit disappointed of not having the type of exponential growth it was a year ago, and that's eating out, but it definitely shows, and it's not helping for those who are now coming, and they're not really getting much support for anything what they're doing, or encouragement, or even money by the grants. But I'm definitely going to give it a proper checkout. It's just for the next couple of days. I have to finish off something. So my mind is occupied by this right now. But after this, I will have some time. And then I'll go check it out. Maybe I'll build my own bot because I do have credentials for Blue Sky. Hey, I'm on new AirChat. So does this mean it's okay for us to publicly talk about it and invite people?

[7:24:29] I see a little invite present box, which lets me think that it's okay to be like, hey guys, who wants to get in on AirChat? Or are we still trying to be on the DL? You can start inviting people. That's what the invite box is now for. Given how small the images are on this app, I think you want something with a front-facing shot. I do like that it's iconic for you and represents your love for running, but I still think a front-facing shot would work better because it's just too hard to recognize you consistently with a smaller image of you against a colored background. It seems that you haven't put anything on the long pause of the profile picture, so maybe that would be a way to hover over some info. Hey, Arjun and Naval, I'm having trouble with my Apple ID, and I want to make sure that I don't lose access to my account. I'm not going to be able to sign in using my Apple ID to be able to access my account. Is there any way we could change my account to be using hello at Darius.design for an email login?

[7:25:24] Because I'm unable to access my Apple ID right now. Okay, maybe it's a different issue if you have a generic issue with Apple ID. Because Apple has been having some issues with their servers lately. but in my case, the Apple ID worked and it stayed all good, but then the app returned back to the same start again, login mode. So if you're experiencing that, then deleting the app might work. I firmly believe that you should shamelessly support every single thing that every one of your friends works on ever. There's not much more to this. I think that as long as you have a good discriminator for choosing the right friends, This is just the type of energy that needs to be out in the world. You can choose your friends, you can choose your family and relatives. So that's the part where I don't think you can educate them.

[7:26:16] Or maybe it's just a waste of time to try to change people. It's just better to focus on those who can be the ones you can choose and be around with. Yeah, I think the challenge of bringing this standard about your family is much greater. But I still don't think it's impossible. I think you're pointing out this, you're kind of grouping two things here. like saying that like the whole creation of culture and the placing your bets is a coupled with your ability to pick and choose who is who your bets are placed on and with. But actually, what I'm saying is like, okay, for your friends, yes, you should probably start with, you know, adjusting the pool in which you're betting on because that would increase your chances of success. But your family, I think, I don't know, I've noticed a lot of commercialist family times that have been unsupported by one another, like, if you if I come to the table with a deep and shameless support for them, through their hard times, as well as through their chase of endeavor and opportunity, I still stand a chance at creating the culture, and I have already in some way, shape, or form, and I'm working on it more and more. So I agree again and disagree.

[7:27:11] Let me know what you think. I think what is true is it's more of a challenge when it comes to family. Check out Matt, aka The Saint. He has figured out the best profile picture route, which is he changes his profile picture constantly. It's all done in the exact same theme, so you still recognize him. And these are all his drawings. They're personal to him, so they also convey artistic expression style. Man, I wish I could pull that off. But you can train LLM with the style you like, and then you can make as many profile pictures as you like, so tech comes to save you. I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong, and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly and et cetera, et cetera, and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be.

[7:28:01] Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you're actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through. I think we need stickers for AirChat. Or AirStickers, sound effects, but then you have to maybe present them also in a graphical way. AirChat is now live on the App Store. On the other hand, this is a real bug. I cannot pause or mute or stop or play Tom at this case, but any other one. So this works on iPhone but iPad does this thing and it's been doing that for some versions already, so I guess it qualifies as a bug. I'm sorry you can't get rid of me I didn't do that on purpose.

[7:28:55] That's all right, it's a emergency bug fix just for me. On the other hand this is a real bug. I I cannot pause or mute or stop or play Tom at this case, but any other one. So this works on iPhone, but iPad does this thing, and it's been doing that for some verses already, so I guess it qualifies as a bug. Yeah, we have that one on our list overlapping into the bottom nav bar. You can still like or repost it by long pressing, but yes, we do need to fix it. Copying origin. That's nice. I didn't know about the long press. We think it's ready, and life is lived in the arena. not in the stand. Thanks. It's always fun to move on. Here's a lazy post.

[7:29:42] Somebody was asking about barefoot shoes the other day and here are some of the shoes I have been personally trying and liking and they are also all available in Europe. I think the sandals are coming from the US but they are delivering obviously worldwide but the rest I think might be coming within the continent. It made me laugh and reminded me about my laziness because I am not just lazy about the post so easy about shoes. Yeah, the birthday shoes are the best ones. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at AirChat. Should we call that as chitcast, like podcast, the premium feature? When you're having an AirChat session, I think you would call it a chatter. The chit party probably, and you can imagine easily why that doesn't work so well, but maybe it's more memorable. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at the AirChat.

[7:30:36] Is it just staying completely blank or when you restart the app, does it fix itself or can you pull down to refresh or anything like that? When you restart it works for me and this was from a previous one so it was just about a joke effect. Reporting a bug, my feed went blank, attaching a screenshot. Congratulations, you have reached the end of content at the AirChat. You can't see it, but I did. That was a good practice run. Now do it with the video on. Unfortunately I have both my arms, so I'm going to have to dance like a two-armed chicken. Winged chicken. Which I can't with the video on. Such a pity, isn't it? Has anyone from the AirChat team checked the stats? How many people are doing posts daily? What is the amount of posts per day per person? And what are the most active users?

[7:31:24] Not maybe by the name, but how much they're posting and how much is that of the total? Just curious, how narrow is the real content creator spectrum here? For example, is it just 1% of the users are creating 80% of the content? How does it go? Just scrolling the feed, I noticed a lot of the stuff coming up on my feed is coming from Courageous by Naval. And I'm following quite a many people, so just curious. For example, here are the stats by Blue Sky. I think you totally, totally get it. And it's been such a struggle for me, because with any book, I have to connect with it. It has to move me. It has to awaken curiosity within me. And Carlo Rovelli has been giving me that feeling again of like, okay, cool, there's a new obsession I can develop now. and my mind is getting blown away.

[7:32:13] I feel like a child again. And what usually happens is then I go down this reddit hole. So I think you guys are going to hear me talking about all kinds of weird physics things because now it's like, wow, it's like literal witchcraft in science. And that is this thing called physics, quantum physics. It's just, it's witchcraft. I mean, witchcraft. So I'm enjoying that. And that's what I want when I read. I want to feel like a child. I want to feel like even though it is hard to understand, there's a certain awe, there's something in it. So yeah, there we go. There's another format of books, which I think might work. And that's audiobooks. For example, if you're somewhere enjoying a hike or you're in a beach or you're doing something else than reading. I think it's just that the visual format is just too daunting these days. But if you're driving or you're doing these type of things, standard fiction might work if you're having an audiobook format. And there's plenty of even free resources for that, even for the old classics, which are already out of copyright.

[7:33:07] What is normal? Can we be normal? Do we want to be normal? It's okay. One of the weird things I do is misuse and abuse words in sometimes unexpected ways. Wow. I just thought that furries were people who were really ugly and so they wanted to have sex parties but they were too ugly to have sex parties so they just put on furry costumes. I don't know why I assumed that and it's probably wrong and I'm probably going to hell for it and going to get cancelled but that just seemed to make the most sense to me. Like if you're really unattractive, you want to go to an orgy, you just put on a furry suit. What is normal? Can we be normal. Do we want to be normal? I think might be coming within the continent.

[7:34:10] I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong, and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly, etc., etc., and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be. Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, which some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you are actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through. Agreed. Somebody should sue them. Well, Epic did, and it didn't go too well, and a lot of other ones as well.

[7:34:59] So they're having this almost monopoly, well, in their field they have, and then they're preventing others to do the job properly. and it's really bad for everyone and for the consumers. But it also shows how Apple doesn't really care about developers. It's all about end users. But in this case, it's a borderline. It affects directly the end users and their revenues, but they still don't care enough. Looking into it. I was rather surprised at how badly the testing tools are on Apple. For example, the testing of the payment services and everything which can go wrong and how do you do all the subscriptions and monthly and et cetera, et cetera, and then testing that it always does as it's supposed to be. Well, it's almost non-existent, and the App Store has been up for plus 10 years, and it's bringing tens of billions of revenues for Apple, and still they don't care to do the rudimentary things, which some could consider even the most important things, how you get paid, and from the consumer's perspective, that how is the experience good enough that you are confident that you're actually getting what you pay for, and it actually went through.

[7:36:01] Important announcement for those of you on iOS. Air Chit is dead. but AirChat lives again. So please check your email for a test flight invite for the new AirChat, or even better, you should be able to go to the app store and download the new one shortly. But this is our release candidate. We're getting ready to put it out there into the wild. There will be no more updates on AirChat, so please switch to AirChat. What would even be the point of grandstanding on this app? What would be the point? If you get even a thousand followers, you can't communicate with them. You can't have conversations with them. It'll just be annoying. So the point of grandstanding is largely gone. And then if you have a quick back and forth conversation with somebody and I've had conversations on this app where we've exchanged 100 messages in five minutes that won't work if you want to be scripted. Rehearse the speeches or Instagram style of fashioning your photo and doing with the photo shoot and taking a day or two to put the setting and just a single photo and then you make your sponsorship money with that one. This type of behavior doesn't work here. If you just do your speech and it will completely be ignored and omitted on thousands of different auto messages and the query compacts which are happening, and that's the whole conversation.

[7:37:02] It's not a single chip. So yeah, it's really hard here if you are not ready to engage. And yes, I have the same beef with the Oura Ring, and I keep buying these devices and throwing them out because they just end up being useless. I actually just want a great real-time heart rate sensor and step sensor. That's all I want. The day that the Apple Watch incorporates both of those, all these other products are done to me. And if you just want to have it, for example, the heart rate, just for the exercise, you could get it as the chip, plug that type of band and beam it to your iPhone. And that's the way to go then. Or maybe it even works with Apple Watch. But there's no other extra sensor needed. But obviously it's a band which you have to wear. So it's not probably the best for the regular everyday life, but for the exercise, it can do the job. I do have a band. I use it for working out.

[7:37:49] That's exactly correct. But I want to get rid of the chest strap band and I want to have something on my wrist, which is good enough. And that is the opportunity for a whoop. I just find that when I'm working out, the Apple heart rate sensor and the Apple Watch just breaks down. It starts lagging, and it's way behind, and it's not accurate enough. I'm probably at the limit of the number of people I can handle. So as we add more people to the network, I'll get more selective in who I follow, but probably not increase my total follow count. Didn't you say the other day that you can handle 1,000 people? What changed? On this app, if you follow 500 people, you're effectively following 5,000, because you get to see all the people they're in conversations with. I mostly agree with the reason I know of all. The problem with Gmail, though, is that they won't allow you to take your Gmail address with you if you want to move somewhere else. And migrating all the emails that you have exchanged over many years of using Gmail address will be a headache. And people just won't do it.

[7:38:38] Or maybe it's not even possible. I'm not sure, actually. And it's not the case with these sell clients. You can move anything with you. But you're right that Gmail has built such an ecosystem around the Gmail account that it's really troublesome to move away from it. You can't use any Gmail service like Google Drive, Google Photos, or what have you, Google Docs. You can't use Android phones without a Gmail account. So all of these tools and services around the Gmail account prevent you from moving away. So I think it will all depend on how much of an ecosystem the clients of decentralized social media will be able to build around their apps and platforms in order to lock in the users. And maybe we'll see a few competing clients, not just Gmail and Yahoo, like in the email world, but maybe there will be three or four or five dominant clients that people will use. Similar to also another example could be the browsers, right?

[7:39:29] So far Chrome is dominant, but we'll see Arc becoming very popular, brave, picking up some momentum, etc. So I'm not sure if they can overtake and get a bigger share, but I think shifts can be possible. If you're using the Google Workspace, the paid version of the Gmail, then you can use your own domain. So the service is coming from Google, but you have your own email account. So you can, that way, have the portability. Also, the export and import can be done with the IMAP if you're using that one. So in that way, you can also, even with the Gmail, you can get the emails out. But yes, it's very locking. Also, another thing is that I think there were some articles, blog posts, many years back already, where people were saying that it's almost like Oligopoly. It's Microsoft and Google. And if those are blocking your mail server or your address, if you're having a third party, something else, you're completely blocked, more or less.

[7:40:26] And people just don't receive your emails, and they don't know that they're not going to spam. They just never appear on your inbox. And that's actually happening quite a lot. So that's the real problem with the protocols, which de facto are not any more protocols in the purest sense of the word. I love it. I'd like to become a grand chifter as well one day. on Twitter maybe the time for that is reply guy not sure on Twitter reply guy is an insult on air chat it's a compliment well it's hacking multi-party conversations so you started a thread somebody else is talking about it they're kind of keeping you apprised of it and yes you only need one notification until you come in and check the thread so maybe you just get one until you come into the app but it would be nice then when you leave again that you get tagged again and get brought back in as that thread is up to date. BlueSky and Nost had quite many health threats, as they are called, because there was a lot of people tagged in and people didn't have the tools to get out of them. And they were like spamming chain mails where each and every reply all just kept it going. And that was a nightmare. So if you have an order tagging and just make sure that people can get rid of it and not get spammed with the notifications, and it cannot be abused in that way. Anyway, I'm not sure what viral really means because all the conversations this platform are one-on-one. So usually what'll happen is somebody will ask a question that a lot of different people will answer and it'll turn into a bunch of different one-on-one conversations. But I don't really think it goes viral in the traditional sense where lots and lots of people just glom on and like and repost, but you know, there's not actually any conversation going on.

[7:42:00] How would you even export these things? Because these are discussions and you have to use the native app here to make sense out of them and navigate different conversations within the bigger convo. And does it look really appealing if you just take screenshots and the audio, or if you screen record the audio and then you scroll along the speeds? I don't think that's for anyone who has any kind of patience left, even for them, it's going to be a hard pass to just watch the video passively. Or maybe it works as a podcast, but that's just another thing. So, virality might be a small clips, bite-sized type of few sentences which take off and back to interest to come here and check it out. When we release it with the App Store, you'll see our attempts at doing simple exports, but you're right. This content is best consumed in the context of the app, as the app is very tightly designed, and exporting it as a video is not going to be a compelling experience.

[7:42:55] Protick, I'm in public, bro. I cannot be laughing loud. But yeah, I'm a monk. Stick away. I say laugh out loud like you're a crazy person. Do it as much and as often as possible. Who cares if they think you're nuts? You know the truth, I know the truth, and the universe knows the truth. God bless. Have a great day, my man. Maybe that could be a feature. Other people could suggest highlights, and then you could pick them up. So if you forget to do that, or you don't think it's important, but you see that it's actually catching up, and other people find it valuable, so maybe you can pin it up then if maybe enough people are highlighting or suggesting to highlight it. I think part of that feature is already existing, so I could highlight it if I had access to highlight on Android. Right now I don't have it. The one place where I find highlights very difficult is the scroll room that comes with highlighting. So if I highlight too many things, I'm stuck in the scroll room to figure out what I highlighted.

[7:43:46] So all the important chats don't retain in your memory, and at one point when you want to go look back, it's a long room for scrolling. So right now I have a lot of screenshots in my phone from AirChat because most important stuff is actually screenshotted. For years I have stopped collecting things like bookmarks and taking screenshots and whatnot. If it's important, I will remember it. And if it's not, then I will do it again or I will rediscover it. But I just noticed that I'm not really good at going back to things. And oftentimes it's not just worth it. There's always some new stuff coming along. And what sticks, sticks. And so are we. Indeed, I actually said some of these things already maybe yesterday, but because of the nature of this new one, let's go again because I cannot point to them anymore and I don't know where they are. Yes, this is more like a TikTok in a way that in TikTok the content is in the center. You're getting served new and new content, but the person is in the background and you cannot probably even associate the person to the topics because there are no more rooms.

[7:44:41] So the topics used to go with the room. So it's like, hey, that person always talks about that one. And that's how you associate with that person. and you remember that person because if there's tens or hundreds of people, somehow you have to label them even loosely to associate and have some kind of connection to remember them. But since almost everybody at HR is sleeping at the moment, they are coming back with some kind of, they haven't revealed, but my guess is it's going to be topics, channels, semi-private, private groups where you can talk and you can associate things. So it's something along the lines of rooms, probably a little bit more lighter implementation. So now it's the time to highlight this. Unfortunately, on Android I can't access highlights, so that's the reason I miss on half of the fun and half of the superpower user aspects of this app. This time I took the liberty to not at all depend on my iPad, so I stopped carrying my iPad with me for AirChat on my travels this time. And until now it's working very well with Android, except for the highlight button.

[7:45:35] But please highlight all of these things so that you don't have to repeat it. Maybe that could be a feature. Other people could suggest highlights and then you could pick them up. So if you forget to do that or you don't think it's important, but you see that it's actually catching up, and other people find it valuable. So maybe you can pin it up then if maybe enough people are highlighting or suggesting to highlight it. Oh, it's harder to find here content, so you take what is available right now, serve to you in your feed, and if there's nothing of interest, maybe you don't start a new topic and make it like a thread you can do in Twitter. I actually did something like yesterday, and it hasn't been picked up at all. Maybe it was just buried because it was 12 hours, 10 hours before the California people are waking up. Yes, I also noticed that when I would post something from Europe, it was hardly picked up. And when people woke up and if they were waking up in certain energy or in certain mood, then you would notice that automatically what you have thought of or what you have wished to communicate here gets buried.

[7:46:38] And that burying feeling sometimes worries your heart too. I must say. And then you're like, you know what? It's okay. That's how the function of this particular design is. Surprisingly, when I go to bed in Europe, I will expect that there's a lot of interesting conversations happening during the day. But in some days, I'm quite disappointed that not much has happened. It's when I wake up and it's the California evening night almost when the conversation starts to catch up. So that's just an observation. It doesn't always work. But there seems to be that type of tendency as well. And the other day I was actually checking whether those people who were having deep conversations are still doing them and it was not surprising that a few which I checked were not active at all because it doesn't probably nudge them the right way to make them to talk. I have also noticed that and observed that even for myself, I have noticed that part of my personality has shifted about the things that I want to share on this platform. Again, very interesting, all because of design. So interesting. And I think it's also easier to have extremely superficial conversation on this design. And this is what I am kind of looking forward to see what happens in this context. And I'm pretty sure AirChat team has devised a way to circumvent that. But for some reason, my brain is still looking out for those signals.

[7:47:58] to see what happens after the launch, what kind of people come in, what kind of conversations come out. The same behavior can be also seen if you post into different platforms. For example, Mustard and Blue Sky, Noste and Threads and whatever other ones you can come up with. They tend to have a different type of cultures. So even though you would even put the same message out, you probably are going to phrase it a little bit differently based on the type of people. And maybe you're doing also self-censorship and not put some of the stuff out in all places. And I don't know whether it's good or not, but that's the nice stuff of the social media. Also, in some sense, synchronize, even though we do this async. But if you are not here right now when we're talking, the conversation is over in some sense. Yes, it can be picked up later on, like in the parties when you go off for a while, or maybe you pick up the conversation from the previous party, but it's probably not the same conversation anymore.

[7:48:49] Also, the other thing that most importantly lends to this kind of difference in nature is this one-to-one conversation thread aspect that has come into this airtight, versus the room aspect that happened to exist in the previous airchart. So in the previous airchart, the back and forth could happen between a group without worrying so much about what was said to follow, like what was said by the ex-person because, you know, the following was just simple, go back and come in front. But here, you have to click on the heads of different people to identify who has said what in order to figure out if you're not repeating something that's already been conversed. And sometimes the conversation has drifted to a certain other topic that after looking into that drift, a lot of us would not want to contribute. This is also another way the design of the platform has lent into the way the content has been created. There's nothing wrong about it. It's just interesting to see how design can change human interaction. And I think that's the reason why human interaction design is such an important part of technology or creating technological products. Oh, it's harder to find here content. So you take what is available right now, serve to you in your feed. And if there's nothing of interest, maybe you don't start a new topic and make it like a threat you can do in a Twitter.

[7:49:54] I actually did something like yesterday and it hasn't been picked up at all. Maybe it was just married because it was 12 hours, 10 hours before the California people are waking up. Today we are open sourcing and sharing an AI longevity assistant we call SQL. SQL is completely private. We don't see or get any of your files. They're all stored locally. You can upload any blood work, DEXA scans, MRIs and talk to a complete picture of your health. You can run a totally local LLM or you can use OpenAI for a more advanced experience. Even in that situation, we never see any of your data. Your laptop communicates directly with the OpenAI API and it comes directly back to your laptop. If you'd like to check it out, it's withsql.com and we'd love any feedback and help making this app better from the open source software community. The biggest flaw I saw with Noster when approaching the decentralized GitHub bounty was the server side, the relays. Everybody was trying to make a client.

[7:50:48] Like I said, there's a million clients, but the relays were neglected. Everybody's just piggybacking off of this relay called Stir Fry. It's in C++. It's a great syncing system, or at least the best that we've got in our time. And it's all that we really have in terms of top of the line. And so often, when you make a new app that does something beyond text, You have to end up making a custom Nostra Relay to support it. Because Nostra Relays only support text right now. So if you try to build a decentralized YouTube, or if you try to do decentralized SoundCloud, which people have tried, SoundCloud on Nostra is called Stemster, and then the YouTube is called Flare. Both of those require custom relays. And that's really inefficient because if I'm a relay operator, I want to choose multiple apps that I want to support.

[7:51:44] Like, I want to be able to run one piece of software and click the boxes. Like, I want to host data for this and for this and for this and for these people. I don't want to have to run 20 different freaking programs. I have to run 20 relays, one for each different app, have a database for each one. It would be a nightmare. My machine wouldn't be able to handle it as efficiently. So what the Hornet Storage Relay aimed to do is utilize these Merkle DACs so that we can support all types of files. It unlocks the landscape and future-proofs it. So if anybody wants to build any type of app, you can plug it into the Hornet Storage Relay. And any of the relay operators can run a Hornet Storage Relay and manage everything from their control panel and manage what type of apps they want to host data for, even restrict certain file extensions if they don't want to host videos. It's up to them. Power's in their hands. And we had to build that whole new relay system before we could even get started on building the GitHub.

[7:52:38] It took almost a year. So we had to invent the universe before we could bake the pie, like Carl Sagan says. And I think it's finally going to really pay off because people will be able to use the 100 storage relay for so many other things and it's going to solve such a huge flaw across all of Nostra. And it's going to do it while delivering the GitHub bounty in one swoop. When that moment is right, it might come after you because somebody said that you can only have like seven dogs if a dog lives a decade or so you can only have a limited amount of dogs so in that sense maybe the solution is needed only after your time humanity goes at its own space but you have a very narrow limited window of doing things and seeing the results so in that sense yeah things take time and time is not on your side a life built on shifting science no no say it ain't so. Genes come and go, but memes are forever. Unfortunately, my all-time favorite air chat conversation got deleted. It was one that Andy and Cameron had about bananas, and it was better than anything since Abbott and Costello. It was literally a slapstick routine. Unfortunately, Andy accidentally fat-fingered his account and deleted it, so the conversation was lost. But maybe Sigil can dig up the screenshots in the archive somewhere, because damn, that was so good.

[7:53:56] Oh no, we lost a banana. Everybody's going bananas and we're just total nuts now. So how do we kick off and do a banana 2.0 version? Correct. This app is for the other 99% who actually genuinely want to have one-on-one conversations with each other and aren't here to influence and broadcast and control. Also in some sense, synchronize even though we do this async, but if you are not here right now when we're talking this, the conversation is over in some sense. Yes, it can be picked up later on like in the parties when you go off for for a while or maybe you pick up the conversation from the previous party but it's probably not the same conversation anymore it seemed like no stir has basically died out not made it hard to say but it doesn't seem to be doing anywhere near as well as farcaster i don't know where it is right to blue sky but no stir seemed like it was closer to the correct answer in case of brazil and x i think that's the closest but there's still other solutions there are telegrams and there are facebook and whatnot so it's not really that you are in a corner and you really need to go out to something new which hasn't been tested and it's new for everyone and it's weird. Like Facebook was when it started or like Instagram was when it started. But those had real issues. You wanted to meet people and maybe date with Facebook and the universities.

[7:55:05] Instagram was the real photo app for the masses. And with the filters, you could just hide your not-so-perfect pictures. And it was okay just to throw pictures, which was a paradigm shift. I looked at decentralized social media a little bit, and I came to the conclusion that it's almost impossible to properly decentralize because there tends to be a network effect around the dominant a client, and then the client itself becomes a point of centralization. It's not like in Cryptoland where you can have two different implementations of the clients that are maintained by open source developers and then can be run in competition with each other because those are relatively simple and they're the same feature set. But in social media, the clients will have divergent feature sets and it turns into a winner-take-all just based on the quality of the client. And that client in the center has the same ability to censor and control and capture revenues as all the others. So I don't know how it actually stays decentralized in practice. Threads made us Fetiverse players, so to speak.

[7:55:54] I opened the API yesterday for the devs, and the API is coming open on end of June. The interesting thing which I pointed out from the documentation was that in order for an app, third-party app, to upload images or videos, you need to have a server for that one. So they will actually download it from a publicly available server to images. You cannot directly put them like in any other platform. This makes me think that is it just the influence of the big buffer.coms who are doing it that way, or is it a regular thing from the playbook that, yeah, we're big enough, we're gonna download the Fediverse, the activity pop, by our dominance, and we will take it over like Microsoft did with the browser wars in the 90s. - For anyone interested in language learning, the app Link, that's L-I-N-G-Q, I think is an excellent way to improve your comprehension through reading and listening to real content, stuff you might find interesting, and most importantly, you're learning words in context and not obsessing over memorizing grammar. And like on Duolingo, for example, where you learn words completely out of context instead of complete phrases.

[7:56:58] And there's just not enough volume of listening and reading going on. And the way this app is set up is, I think, extremely good. Speakly is also worth checking out. I was using it some years back and I really found it was the best one at the time I could find. I've never heard of this. This looks really cool it looks like they can really personalize it to what you speak about as well which is of course the key the whole language islands idea i couldn't have said it any better and i agree with you 100 and that's why i think it's such a difficult problem to solve you cannot be idealistic about it you really have to be practical to solve this so but i agree with you 100 The curse or the superposition of this is that whatever you do, it will cause some consequences, meaning people will start to do that more to get what they want or trying to gain the algorithm. So even though you wouldn't like to have fake replies, fake content in order for just to filter, feed or try to make people to look your posts so they can follow you.

[7:58:08] And this all just puts up the signal to noise ratio to the wrong direction. So it's really hard to make a system which is not gamed or is resistant to all this algo gaming. So my Android has got this thing of cutting the beginning and the end of my chits sometimes, so I have had to record. But I agree with you because human beings are always looking for ways to game systems. It's just the nature of things. And I've had multiple web applications running. And the thing that I see is that there are people looking for loopholes and ways to game systems and ways to exploit systems. And to be alive is to be able to handle all of that and set up barriers that reward the kind of behavior you want to encourage. but it's not an easy thing and that's why I can admit that I would not be the right person to to be handling that at this time but I agree with what you're saying here.

[7:59:03] Exactly and all you have to do is check to see if you feel toasty or not. Creepy Critters that's a reference from Atomic Heart I've been playing lately it's in Game Pass in Xbox and Deathloop which is the Groundhog's Day remake or just a variation of it where you have to start the day over and over again. It's in four segments, the morning, noon, afternoon and the evening and you have to figure out how to do things. And I think in this air chat context, it could be chasing the endless bugs and you have to fix them in a certain order of the day. And if you are not doing it correctly, you have to start over again. So how many loops have you already been doing? A new touring test is a creativity test. This might be the IKEA test for 80% of the people. After a certain amount of time, it may become apparent that they are not creating that much of a new thought or remixing the old ones.

[7:59:58] What's usually what everybody's doing, but putting it in a way that's unpredictable, but still it has that signature of a person. A hard challenge. If you are not allowed to do likes, how would you replace it? Yeah, this is what Hacker News does. So I can see votes on comments I've made, but I can't see those of others. I remember it didn't always used to be the way on Hacker News. And I seem to remember Paul Graham talking about this change. It was probably 10 years ago now when it was made. But yeah, that could be a simple solution. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the joke. They chose that number intentionally. Somebody's learning from history or not, and just repeating all the Freddie Mac and AAA points, and piling up things, and putting things on top of things, and deriving things from syndicating, and synthesizing things which were not real in the first place, starting from a file name and then going all downhill from there.

[8:00:51] But hey, as long as it's fungible, divisible, and sellable, we can do it. Just hold Bitcoin and make things that solve real problems for real people. Because you have an NFT, a non-fungible token, it's not easily divisible or tradable because it's one of a kind. So what you want is an ERC-404, which makes non-fungible tokens fungible again. And so you can fungify your NFT, and then people can trade it, and it's divisible. I'm sorry, I can't. It's just all the state of things is just too embarrassing. I can't even joke anymore. Yeah, and it's not like they're running out of numbers. So 404 is not really good a marketing term, isn't it? Especially on crypto, full of scams and everything fake. So putting it not found as an indication, one of the most, if not the most known error message in the whole history of internet.

[8:01:47] Yeah, I mean, that's the joke. They chose that number intentionally. And then I think the other aspect of it is then with the rise of TikTok, it's almost like the anti-Instagram. So content creators who thrive on Instagram might not necessarily thrive on TikTok and sometimes vice versa. because TikTok basically is like anti-status or democratizing virality for folks who may not have had the chance to go viral on Instagram. And then for the folks who are on Instagram who double down status, it doesn't always translate to TikTok. I don't really think we want to go into nuances of both, but I just wanted to draw that as well. Those who became famous on TikTok, they needed to anchor their audience to YouTube or Instagram to monetize it. And that was then the complete loop. It's interesting how the room feature created more theme focused, that's kind of obvious, but also more ongoing discussions around a certain topic. And it created a place in my mind where I always know where to put something.

[8:02:50] Sometimes that led to a conflict where I didn't know where to put some thought and that led me to not put it on AirChat. having this place where I know people are interested in what I want to share, based on a certain theme, I think that was pretty nice. I wonder how one could recreate some sort of dynamic in this version. It also made it easier to associate some people, so you have like a category. And now this feels more like a TikTok, where the content, the cheat is in the focus, and the person fades away a bit. And if you're not going to the profile, you don't even get the name, Maybe you even forget if you have many people in the feed, so you don't see them that often. So the rooms were a nice way of getting to know the people and somehow mentally labeling, getting familiar with them, and now that's gone. As you know, this is a pretty niche feature, so it's not something we'll get to anytime soon.

[8:03:40] And it's compounded by the problem that we have users who are coming in with Apple ID and Google Play ID, so we don't even have their phone numbers. So really, you'll be better off either spelling out the phone number for quite a while, or if I may suggest an alternative, which is both Telegram and Signal, have usernames. So you can just give them your telegram or signal username. You can also upload a screenshot of your QR code as an image. But that requires them to use two devices. It's a little more complicated. But I would just use your signal username or telegram username. I think that'll fill the gap quite nicely for quite a while. Or you could allow typing on the DMs. Yeah, it's about signaling, isn't it? First of all, did someone see it? Then it's, hey, I acknowledge the ha-ha-ha type of a comment, but not as strong as reply, or it doesn't require reply, or I don't know how to reply. So I should be able to somehow indicate and tell you that, yeah, I liked what you were, or I get it, what you're saying there. But how to do that?

[8:04:30] Facebook had a poke, but that's fast for the person. So maybe we need something else than likes, but anyway, they will be probably and most likely used as likes because we're so used to those. Yeah, you're right. Seeing and acknowledging sometimes can be one and the same. Because it's a non-verbal communication. Eyes can tell you that things are acknowledged. I don't know how one can replicate this digitally I think one best way to replicate it digitally would be you would allow a person to see things or show that the person has seen things if they have heard you until the end of your chat because if that happens that means a person took the time to listen to you and take knowledge because that's what this platform is doing making you listen so that's how I would look at because with seen in the previous one even if people would just come by and drop by and just have a look without even putting much effort into understanding what you have posted, that would be counted as scene. And I think one has to become a bit more real life with regards to scene because you can't see things till the time you finish listening to them. I mean, I hope you get the gist. But I think that's one way you could acknowledge scene. And the Facebook poke thing, I'm actually not on Facebook anymore, but I used to be in the past. And I remember when poke came out, my friends and myself, my friends got crazy. They went nuts and they were using poke in every single action. So I didn't even know what was the point of poke. They would just poke people around. That was a fun game that people would play. But it's a very good exercise to think about smart ways of bringing social interactions closer to what real life interactions are because that's what audio would do in real life. I actually sometimes wonder what was the psychology of picking all of this up you know and how did this all got picked up was it just like ah we are seeing more reactions from people so let's start to stick to it and then the other one just blindly followed what the first platform did. Do you have any idea Petri? Most of the digital contribution signaling whatever we're doing is based on the advertising model, views, getting engagements to get more views. It's about views.

[8:06:24] Everything is about views. That's tilting and biasing the whole thing. It's not really about the human communication. It's more serving ads and getting ad revenue by showing the stats and views to get money for the platform, not for the content creators. Currently, you cannot see views. You can only see likes. Is your reply worth anything if there are no likes or reboosts. You know there's ghosts in the machine. Airbusters. A harder challenge. If you are not allowed to do likes, how would you replace it? I think you can replace it with the scene section of what used to be there previously on our air chat, right? Which would mean that people have acknowledged or have at least seen this so you have an acknowledgement of this eye of the scene. But obviously a like would then make sense. to happen only if you have said something or or implied something that really makes sense that's how i think it'll work it's not that hard i think the whole concept of these likes is so stupid it's good to replace it yeah it's about signaling isn't it it's that first of all did someone see it then it's hey i acknowledged the ha ha ha type of a comment but not as strong as reply or it doesn't require reply or i don't know how to reply so i should be able to somehow indicate and tell you that yeah i liked what you were or i i i get it what you're saying there but how to do that facebook had a poke but that's fast for the person so if you need something else than likes but anyway they will be probably and most likely used as likes because we're so used to those today i will kill mosquitoes do you have this one oh my god i need this oh my god now i have to pass a touring test Turing test is piece of cake compared to dad test. All humans seek validation. Validation means the tribe likes you. You'll survive. It's the status game again. And social media is all about status.

[8:08:23] But what's good status? What's bad status? What are ways of earning status that are legitimate? Yesterday, there was a post on threats where one account had 1.3 million, I think this was on Instagram, non-follower engagement of views and practically zero from their followers. And the complain was that those people who are willingly and intentionally wanting to view the posts are not served them, but they get new people, new growth. And that was the comment by the Instagram, that, hey, look at the non-followers you're getting. Isn't that good enough? Hey, guys, I'm super excited to share my season three of the podcast. Every year I do one season and each season has 12 conversations with friends and people I really like.

[8:09:09] having conversations with. And this year, thanks to AirChat, I am so thrilled to have conversations with some of the smartest people and sweetest friends that I've made here. So thanks, Nova. Thanks, AirChat team. But I would like to share my first ever episode of season three featuring our own, Ina. Hope you guys enjoyed. Who's talking about AI on AirChat? Two of the top authorities in decentralized AI are on this platform. We have Imad, who founded Stability AI and is extremely bullish on decentralizing AI more than ever before. And then you have David Johnston, who wrote the paper on decentralized applications, who is completely all out building the decentralized AI movement, which I think is beautiful. If users aren't interested in transcription when watching the video, the video could transition with an animation to take over the entirety of the speech ball.

[8:10:10] So it's larger but not full screen. It doesn't take them out of context. There's no layout update so that things don't shift around. And then when you shift onto the next chit, it just animates back into the circle. Limitations are a feature, not a puck. Yeah, I was really just musing on ways you could expand the size of the video without having to take over the entire UI and without breaking kind of an existing layout. But yeah, this is more just ideas rather than I think it should be done. Personally, the video thing doesn't really appeal to me, except maybe in special cases where I would use it. So yeah, no, I agree. Keep it with the ideas, and the more minimal, the better long-term. Right now it does expand, but not that much. We're going to play it with a bigger expansion, but we also want to make it very subtle because we don't want to overwhelm people who are speaking pure audio. This is an audio app primarily, and we don't want to make audio users feel like second-class citizens, so it's a delicate balance.

[8:11:01] The lambs have laid down with the sheep You're cozy and warm in your bed, my dear Please go the fuck to sleep No problem Human biology is the most magical thing There is out there There is no greater machine I don't even think it qualifies as machine anymore It is nature's finest handiwork or the creators, I don't know. But the more I think about it, the more marvelous it seems. Our high tech doesn't even count. It's so primitive compared to the ways of the nature which we are still discovering, which means that we are not really creating much. I guess human biology is not even the right way to put it anymore.

[8:11:54] What is powering this human body? Some call it soul, atman. whatever else but what is really powering it? What's making it work? We use petrol for our machines. We use other ways of energy for our machine. What's the energy inside us? And it's all working. It's as if everything is on a timer and it's working perfectly and we have limited control over it. There are so many wondrous aspects to this. The more you think about it, the more impressed you will be. I notice that I'm only reading nowadays because the voice is lacking so much behind that it's actually starting to become like a background noise factor and not supporting the message. The playback speed should be faster or I don't know what other solution there is.

[8:12:47] I think the real solution is going to be when we let you tap on a part of the transcript and the audio will jump there. But like I said, that is quite a bit harder to do than it might seem at first glance. the voice transcription models don't actually give the accurate timing, or at least the fast ones don't. How about aiming for the pauses? If there's like a paragraph, also somebody's catching their breath, and you can just probably pinpoint the non-speaking more easily than the actual words. So maybe that could be a way to have the pointers, the timestamps. And this way you could also then, well, you paste them with paragraphs anyway, so I don't know whether that would work. Why does Apple then do covers natively? Yeah, I think it was just to add your own flair, because the devices themselves are only white. I think there was a black version of the iPod later on.

[8:13:36] But it did kind of tie in with the colors they were using on the iMacs at the time as well. I am once again asking you to update your app. Pro tip, you can ask TestFlight to automatically update, so you can just always get the best experience. It may be a little bit delayed, but you will get it. Just be authentic. whatever moves you, that's the only way it'll work. No one's gonna spread our message, they'll spread their message. Export feature for the network effect, I guess it's coming. My guess is he's meditating and listening to Brett Hall playback, but when the notifications pop up he just wakes up from his trance and he replies here, so he barely gets any sleep at all. It's true, but you still have to choose whether you're gonna chop wood or carry water. While being happy.

[8:14:25] Mainly, we don't want people who are not using video to be second class citizens. Is that misplaced? Should we just let the video be larger? It actually might be the refresh rate. I think it's 120Hz in the iPad Pro. Why does Apple then do covers natively? The Apple has fallen far from the Steve. I think that's correct. We're doing something much less like Rooms in the past for exactly that reason. We don't want to fragment the conversations. Partly I think it might be the discovery now because every shit can be a beginning of a new threat or that's how you see it in the feed as well. So it takes a little bit of effort to see the parent, the whole parent of the thing. thing and maybe that's the thing that it's out of context and it's not easy to to follow still back and forth and go up and down so that it's very fluent especially the vertical dimension doesn't work really well and that takes too much effort for it to become a so-called room no he's just fading hard ready to pass out and unable to explain to his family why he's up till four in the morning every night air chat is just too darn addictive Oh, I actually sometimes wonder if Naval replying at 3 a.m. on all conversations here is an AI Naval.

[8:15:45] Are you sure it's not a trained model here? You know, it's like similar to when OpenAI released a custom GPT modifications. Someone released a Naval custom GPT or something like that, Naval GPT. So I'm trained with all the quotes and interviews that Naval did. So you could chat with it and it will feel like you're talking to Naval. So I hope it's not like that. My guess is he's meditating and listening to Brett Hall. playback, but when the notifications pop up he just wakes up from his trance and he replies here, so he barely gets any sleep at all. That made me laugh out loud. Yeah, I also caught myself mostly reading just because it allows you to skim the content much faster, and when I want to feel the person or connect with the meaning of the words, then I hit the playback button. Naval mentioned that the transcription is a superfluous feature, but I think it's like the second most important feature after the voice first conversations. Without it, the app couldn't be popular, I guess.

[8:16:43] And for the fun of it, the last one where I was running about that one, it actually played. No bots, no fake metrics, no dark patterns, authenticity. We're building for humans, made by humans. Proof of human. So if Naval doesn't ask you to clean up before you leave, you should be worried. Probably means you're not in the good friends list. He's just happy to get rid of you ASAP and don't expect to get an invitation again. I've been looking at the lighting lately and we just got this house and there are no dimmers and they're all on off switches and it's all LEDs and I was going to go the programmable smart home LED temperature etc but it's a good point about going with incandescence. I feel like it's exhausting, the study of this.

[8:17:38] I would like to just have someone come and make my lighting awesome. If you want to do it yourself, there's homeassistant.io, which pretty much takes in any possible IoT device, and you can programmatically do the dimming and changing the temperatures and all those things. You can even connect it to different AI's like Siri, and then you can talk to your room and say that I want to have it in person and change the color of the light to this and that. thank you i will bookmark this um actually me personally i really like being on my own i feel very good i don't like to spend my time meeting people or being at parties i feel i'm exhausted but what i am bad at it i suck on being a slave of my own promises what that means is that if i promise you i'm going to be here at this time at this date and so on that kind of locks me and i I hate it because I feel I'm breaking my own promise, my own words, and I don't want people to kind of think bad or like I'm letting them down.

[8:18:41] This is an issue I have to work with. And also, do you think through your life or as you get older, values don't change or they can change depending what you experience? Is it the simplest solution that you stop making promises you don't want to keep? This puts you in the position where you need to say no right now when the thing is happening and not later, so you're not avoiding the issue. Also, if you notice that some people are just hanging around with you because they want something out of you, and you're the one making all the initiatives, calling and suggesting things, maybe just let those things go. You don't be the active party on things and you may start to see that those people who are not exactly aligned with your values are starting to drop off. Hi, I'm back. So I was wondering, is there a way to tag threads with either discussion topics or user participants or keywords and retrieve them vocally?

[8:19:44] If you want to save posts, you can bookmark them or star them. Star them adds them to the highlights on their profile. Additionally, everything is semantically retrievable. So So when you search things up, it doesn't have to be, it could just be like whatever topic, and you'll be able to find it. AirChat, the tweet workshop. That's funny because I listen to Brett to relax. Brett, the white noise artist. This article indicates that Whisper by OpenAI was created to transcribe the YouTube videos. I wonder whether that's actually true, and that explains the recent interview and the weird meme phase. Thank you for your enlightening comment, Naval. Yes, it's called metla.com, M-E-T-L-A dot com, and it's better to check from desktop.

[8:20:42] The mobile version is a bit of a stripped down one. Great. By the way, you can now post links. It's hidden right where images are. So right next to images, you should see the link button. If you don't see it, just update your app. Can you meditate while doing a mindless, repetitive task? Because for me, I just need to be in a forest with a stick and a knife and along with my thoughts. And it can do the trick. But is it really meditation? Your life should be your meditation. What should I do when I sleep? Should I be present? That's a tough one. Being present is one of the life's most difficult tasks. Well, you know what time it is, right? Today is Pri's birthday. My beautiful friend Pri.

[8:21:31] The most amazing human being. You know, when I asked her, what do you want to do with your life? Guess what she said. I want to open up an orphanage in India, Sepiwe. That's my dream. What? Do human beings like that still exist? Well, there she is. Pri. With drive. With kindness. With superpower energy. Happy birthday, my friend. Happy birthday. Come on, man. Listen to this. It's your birthday. Enjoy yourself. Have a good time. Happy birthday, Priyada. Well, you know what time it is, right? Today is Pri's birthday. My beautiful friend, Pri. The most amazing human being. You know, when I asked her, what do you want to do with your life?

[8:22:21] Guess what she said. I want to open up an orphanage in India, Sepiwe. That's my dream. What? Do human beings like that still exist? Well, there she is. Pre. With drive. With kindness. With superpower energy. Happy birthday, my friend. Happy birthday. Come on, man. Listen to this. It's your birthday. Enjoy yourself. Have a good time. well i mean and that doesn't yeah i guess what you want is like every post in the back and forth to count a little bit less until it's like kind of not uh maybe There's just some added complexity to this because AWS Dynamo doesn't like floats as fields or just seems like kind of annoying and bad. They wanted you to put it into a string. If I could keep it as an imager, that'd be ideal. But if I want to start doing like fancy math on it, I'm going to need to change some stuff. Another good indicator I've noticed is that somebody makes a comment, maybe on that person's cheat.

[8:23:38] And then that person, the original creator of the cheat, reposts this and maybe likes that one. So that's a strong indicator of no correlation or good content. I think one of the most impactful AI product releases Apple could actually do would be a copilot for Xcode. Having the largest repository of Swift and Objective-C in the world, plus all the documentation, plus the internal documentation, the HID guidelines, and all of the supporting material and design material around building for iOS and building for their platforms, it could really help boost the productivity of developers, whether that's beginning or advanced. Naval's Twitter thread, How to Get Rich, went viral because it was the unspoken cultural zeitgeist of its time. I think the unspoken cultural zeitgeist of this time is how to not be poor. This calls for Per Pylund explaining the human nature and the natural state of being poor.

[8:24:32] and how to get rid of it. I think it's beyond your normal escape of poverty mindset because I think inflation is hurting everyone quite a lot and a lot of people are feeling very poor right now, even if they don't have a poverty mindset. Nostra's problem is not returning the money, but it's the ignorance and becoming completely ignored by the rest of the society. So there's no adoption, no network effect, Nobody cares enough or nobody has enough at stake to make it big. All the resources to do that. Hi Petri. I actually didn't know much about NOSTE, but I started to look into the platform today. And this no adoption, no network effect problem kind of got me into thinking. The problem is, so thinking about it from a Lehman's perspective, I think it is aiming a certain type of population, NOSTE.

[8:25:28] population which believe in decentralized system but at the same time are computationally adept and are willing to you know you stay on that kind of platform people who are like me i do believe in decentralization but at the same time i don't have enough time to catch up on all the new technologies that are upcoming and helping you know me talk to other people because i'm also not big on talking generally about the things that i do and i think is that the problem that is causing no adoption and no network effect because then you are just cliched into this section of society which likes to roll between themselves, and then you will have only those kinds of people talking. In the old air chat there's a big room of Noste, actually at least two rooms, one of them is mine, and I think Colby was doing the other one, so you can check out a little bit of the history of what happened last year, because that was the big year when things started to catch up.

[8:26:22] And it tends to be at least by the history books. If you're a little loser or the loser you are with your morals, the market tends to agree with you, unfortunately. A very beautiful comment. In India, we have a saying that all the people who do business do not have a straight and a strong compass of principles. People who have a strong compass of principles would never be good at business. They would only be good at communicating a certain business but not being able to bring the revenue for the business. Everything is in gray. All businesses work in gray. If you're good at being in gray, if you're good at tweaking something here, tweaking something there, you're going to be very, very good at business. And so we have the words street smart for a businessman. Whoever is the most street smart person tends to run the business the best way. That's a slightly different way of saying the same. Best April Fool's joke ever.

[8:27:15] I've read The Little Prince to my library. I will pick up Wind, Sand, and Stars tonight. I'm gonna put my order in right now. Thanks. So people do Saint-Exupéry a huge disservice by recommending Little Prince. Little Prince is a book that's used to teach kids French, and it's kind of cutesy and kidsy and has a little bit of philosophy in it, but Wind, Sand, and Stars is an epic masterpiece. It overshadows the Little Prince by such a large degree that it's sad. I never recommend the Little Prince to anybody because I feel like everyone's read it. They're formed independent of Exupéry, and Wind, Sand, and Stars is just 100x more important. So by all means, forget what you read in Little Prince and read Wind, Sand, and Stars. Okay, I have way too many Audible credits, and I need to go ahead and get rid of them by buying some good audiobooks. I am not really into fiction at all, so interesting, fun, science, well, pretty much anything. What do you got? What do you got? If you haven't checked San Carl's books about quantum physics, they're really good, even entertaining, but most of all informative.

[8:28:10] And he's coming out with a lot of books nowadays. I think the next one is coming out on May, and the previous one came out last year. I've watched a number of his videos on YouTube and other spots before. So yeah, I'll have to check out some of his books. Fulfillment also comes from when you're on the path of mastering something. And it doesn't matter what it could be. It could be calligraphy. It could be martial arts or whatever. But going from the process of beginner's mind to growth and you change in the process. And you grow in the process. And it's obvious in the output. There is something deeply fulfilling about that, that growth that comes. And it could be in the craft of writing. It could be in any craft. But when you're pursuing being better and better and being your best at it, the person you become in the process is deeply fulfilling. A few moments later, you go for next challenges and everything resets again.

[8:29:02] This is interesting. I recently switched to Arc as my default browser and they rolled out this feature on mobile. Maybe on desktop too, but mobile for sure. It's called Browse for Me. So whenever you want to find something, there is an option that is called Browse for Me. You click it and basically the browser goes and checks all the resources that are there and then compiles them into a digestible kind of format on a specific page, so you don't have to go and click different pages. It just gives you the answer that you are looking for. It's pretty cool to check it out just if you haven't yet. And the browser overall is pretty cool. Totally new user experience when compared to Google Chrome or Safari, et cetera. So I like it. Does it provide good references? I tried to use Bing and some of the other ones, and it doesn't really do a good job of browsing and finding things. Usually it's so lazy that it will just bring whatever is into a single article, and that's not the way to go.

[8:29:53] If you swing this kettlebell three times, much to your disappointment, Parso will come out and draw you a Parsogram to analyze whatever situation you're dealing with. Parso port is only for the fit. You have to move the kettlebell through the alphabets to get the word. Why not commission that they put your ashes inside kettlebell? And who knows, maybe it will become a magical item with special powers. Go out with a swing. The blockchain is the ultimate source of data availability. If you really need to put something on there, that is the place to do it. But it's very expensive, so it should be an emergency as a last resort backup of backup. If that's what's needed, then maybe. But as just a common feature or, you know, to update your profile, it's too cumbersome.

[8:30:47] It's too much of an abuse of the blockchain. So I think it's a mistake to throw it out altogether because so many of the Nostra guys, they love to hate on the blockchain. And I'm like, guys, do you remember what got us here? Come on. This is freaking Bitcoin, man. This is what this is about. But at the same time, just using it to use it for the sake of it is how you end up with two problems. end up with even more problems, which seems to be kind of what Farkaster is doing a bit. So it's all about the middle way again. The NFT craziness was a nice picture of that thinking and idealism. Look, I have a file name on blockchain. I think Romero introduced the fiat sign up just as an onboarding experience. You can still do it with the crypto way the proper way, but that was the way which I think partly or maybe most of it came that way because it was so convenient and easy to sign up just using your fiat ways.

[8:31:47] You have a problem, you try to solve it by putting it in a blockchain, now you have two problems. Nostra's problem is not returning the money, but it's the ignorance and becoming completely ignored by the rest of the society. So there's no eruption, no network effect, and nobody cares enough or nobody has enough at stake to make it big. All the resources to do that. But things start to get really interesting only when the protocol becomes hidden. It stays in the background. Nobody talks about SMTP, IMAP. They talk about email or they talk about Gmail. When you talk about videos, you talk about TikTok or you talk about YouTube, you don't talk about the ways videos are done. So the protocols should become part of the magic, how water comes to your house or how electricity comes from the plug. And that's the way it should be, but we are not yet there. And when we get there, that's the threshold we need to get across first.

[8:32:49] But people do talk about Bitcoin. So it's hard to decide which way it will be for future protocols but i think they're becoming a bit sensational bitcoin is exception to the rule the way it was founded the way it's been built up and how it is sticking to what it is but it's also living code it's been developed further so but i think if you look any other protocols or most of them they're done by more people who who are publicly known at some level, maybe the founders are still active. And this makes the process different. What Nostra has that the other social media protocols don't is the right to exit. If a relay bans you or doesn't agree with your posts, you can take all of your data and move to another relay seamlessly. And I think that is a really powerful censorship resistant property that is socially scalable because the right to exit is vital whereas mastodon if you have all your posts on some mastodon server and they ban you or they shut the server down all those posts are gone and farcaster it seems very federated blue sky seems federated which is basically like these little servers that like control your profile where you don't own your profile you know and they have a little bit more um power over you i'm not sure about farcaster though i think you register your profile on chain or something. I'm not sure about the post itself though if those are still federated. I'd love for someone to chime in and if anyone knows in terms of Farcaster. But Noster, you own your post and you have the right to exit and you can put your posts on as many relays as you want and at the end of the day you own them. That's why it's the best foundation above everything else. Even though it has problems with discovering relays and synchronizing the content, you know, the C and the A and the cap theorem, those will evolve. And I think Nostra will win, or at least, you know, something with a base along these lines that has the right to

[8:34:56] exit where you're signing the tweets and you own them yourself. That's really all Nostra is at the core of it. There are different types of tweets and each type has its own format. They call each one of those a nip. That's it. Nostra is currently, or maybe it was, or I don't know, maybe it still is in a phase where there's a rapid development, excitement, and you can basically build everything because there's so many directions and only so a few developers. So not everybody is willing and can focus on the same thing. So you can introduce a lot of nips, but I think the chaos will sort down and because inertia will kick in and not all the clients and the major clients are going to implement all the things and the opinions start to kick in as well. So this will slow things down. It's also really complex already at this point, which is also putting thresholds for new people to start to build stuff because a lot of things are not, there's no documentation. So you just need to know the discussions, what happened and the reasoning. If you were living there at the time, it's easier, but if you're coming later on, you just don't know why things are the way they are. And I think this needs to become more standardized, simplified by market choice or by some other means. But yes, this phase of you can introduce everything and anything doesn't Doesn't really mean that everybody will implement it, but it's certainly fun.

[8:36:10] And it's the nature of apps that they tend to trend towards winner-take-all. Even for decentralized social media, my guess is that in each case, the top client will capture the vast, vast majority of users. And so if that client censors you, it's almost the same as the protocol censoring you. But things start to get really interesting only when the protocol becomes hidden. It stays in the background. Nobody talks about SMTP, IMAP. They talk about email or they talk about Gmail. When you talk about videos, you talk about TikTok or you talk about YouTube. You don't talk about the ways videos are done. So the protocols should become part of the magic, how water comes to your house or how electricity comes from the plug. And that's the way it should be, but we are not yet there. And when we get there, that's the threshold we need to get across first. The only networks that are decentralized, like email and RSS, have been incredibly static for a long time.

[8:37:03] They never update, and so the clients can't actually do all that much in the front end. Even then, Google Reader monopolized RSS for a long time. On the podcast circuit, if you get cut out from Amazon and YouTube, you're essentially dead. On the email side, if Gmail starts censoring you, that'll hurt a lot. I think in fast-moving social media, that's even a bigger liability. The only reason why Nostar and Blue Sky can even compete with Twitter is because Twitter is essentially a frozen protocol. And it tends to be at least by the history books. If you're a little loser or the loser you are with your morals, the market tends to agree with you, unfortunately. And because coders are a better target audience, they care about security, whereas most people who use TikTok and Instagram and even Twitter aren't as security-focused as coders most of the time.

[8:37:56] And that's where the lobbying and the government kicks in, because these big guys are using the disaster dirty weapon against all these threats, meaning to new free protocols. The hope that I have is that Bitcoin Core is a single client for full nodes that most people use. Most of the full nodes use the Bitcoin Core C++ client. And Bitcoin Core and the Bitcoin network is incredibly decentralized. So if the protocol is frozen enough, if it's dry enough, like Naval was saying, then whoever builds that ultimate client that accounts for all of those things, the networking, the database, the bucketing, everything, it accounts for it, just like Satoshi did with Bitcoin.

[8:38:47] Whoever builds that client for the dry protocols, Twitter, GitHub, the low-hanging fruit, multimedia videos, that client could potentially be sort of what Bitcoin is, but for Noster. And at least on desktop, and especially if it's in Go and it's in desktop, because then it could work on every single OS and people could all contribute to it over time. I'm sure there'd be minor forks of it and things like that, depending on what people argue over, but that goes back to the frozenness of the protocol and what you're trying to implement. So it's almost like a feature surface. You know, if you keep the feature surface restricted, the argument surface is restricted, and it's easier to maintain one client and still be decentralized because it's all open source, and it just needs to perform the functions it's designated to. I'm hoping that's what Nestor will be, you know, the client we're building nested platforms with GitHub and the Merkle trees built in the chunking standard the syncing system and so on all of it built in cryptographic at every level there's a lot of juicy pieces i'm excited to share man it's gonna be fun twitter's network effect might not break in our lifetime but what about in two or three hundred years i think that's when architectures like this are going to be more and more important it enables the hive mind without the trust of third parties i mean that's a feel like what social media is we're all buzzing and communicating with each other, zapping each other. It's like we don't need gate men for that. And the technology is present, just not that efficient. But we can build the base now and let technology evolve. But the software will pretty much function the same beyond like upgrades and cryptography and quantum resistance. Like just the function of how these things work last. And I think it's worthwhile to pursue, even if we might not fully sit under the tree and break the network effect in our lifetime.

[8:40:50] You know, I'm sure it was the same thought with Bitcoin. Can't break the network effect of the US dollar, you know? Well, maybe not yet or anytime soon, but eventually, maybe we can hope. We can build it as best we can. Because, you know, I've faced a lot of hostility in this little space of different no-stir people, and the only reason I stick around is because I'm amazed with this ability to switch between clients and switch between relays and still own my data. It's exactly what I feel like we were talking about on Twitter five years ago when we talked about we need to own our content, you know, and now it's like, here's a way, and I've experienced it, so I'm intrigued, and I mean, for God's sakes, I barely even like the guy, practically dislike the guy that made the protocol, you know, but I can at least agree that this is the right base, and I'm going to do my best to bring the multimedia and the missing pieces there, because I think it'll be worthwhile in the long run. It seems that there's a chance that Twitter might be going down.

[8:41:52] Yes, the ratings are going down, the usage is going down. Also, the revenues are just a tiny fraction what they used to be. Was it 10 million even less per quarter when it was 1 billion just a few years ago? So all these are indicating the downward of the protocol. But I think the bigger thing is that because of this budget issue they are going towards the X in the word of the porn, and this might be the overtake of the network which will kick out the rest of us to the other places like Blue Sky and whatever other alternatives they are, threats. But is GitHub actually censoring repos? There probably are, I don't know, but you know are they enough that people would switch to a decentralized thing or will they just stay with the convenience of a centralized thing? That sounded almost as bad as the man in the middle attack, which Meta was, or Facebook at the time, was doing on purpose by trying to get more user data. Well, this is the kind of spiders that we get up in here. This is insane. Look at this.

[8:42:55] Yep, completely agree with your Miami point. I believe the same sort of applies to people based in New York right now. I do think that alongside the innovation renaissance, however, San Francisco is severely lacking in terms of arts and culture right now. And it deeply concerns and saddens me because I feel like if we had that culture here, at least to a certain extent, it would greatly add to our sort of ecosystem or bubble that we have going on. I've been working on projects like this photograph project and a couple other art projects to hopefully add to this. And we'll see what happens with them over the next few years. Regardless, I'd love to photograph you and the AirChat team whenever you guys are all in SF next. So please let me know when that happens. Believe it or not, besides Sigil, the whole AirChat team is a bunch of introverts. In fact, this is an app built by introverts for introverts who still want to connect and talk. Kevin, the New York Times seems to have a successful upsell model where they charge you X amount for the news and X amount additional for cooking and food.

[8:43:47] We could do that here. Or you can even have a tiered subscription model where it's free if you say intelligent things, but every time you say something stupid, your subscription goes up. I think that would work. It would really keep the bar high. Nobody would have to be banished. You're right. Arjun, please change Zibainix handle to troll. It's very fitting. I'm about to head to bed, but I just want to say thank you to Sigil and the AirChat team for just making this app. And I genuinely think that today, my first day experience with this app is maybe the best first day experience I think I've had on any social media app, honestly. And I think that's really saying something. And it really speaks to the connectivity and experience that you feel when you're actually just able to speak with people more naturally in a way that literally no other social media app has, I think, provided. And I think there's really something special here.

[8:44:41] I have a coffee-making set arriving shortly from Fellow, thanks to recommendations from people on this app, like Running DMC and Daniel Belfort and Petri and Jess and others. Anyway, I will start making my own coffee soon. And at that point, I can start doing a wean-off caffeine trick, which is instead of having full caffeine coffee, I can just make three quarters caffeinated. And then when I'm used to that, I'll do half-caff. And then when I'm used to that, I'll do a quarter-caff. And then when I'm used to that, I'll go to no-caff. Although, I always do prefer the taste of fully caffeinated coffee to the taste of decaffeinated coffee. In case you didn't guess what was the brand of the coffee, I made another pixel, so it's easy to see. I love this thought, because you're right, there's always something to learn and always 20 questions to resolve the one question. but I think that's what makes me so happy to learn. I don't care what I'm learning about.

[8:45:33] There's just going to be an adventure. And when I was teaching, that was one of my core, core thoughts. Somebody would ask me something expecting me to have the answer. And I would say, I don't know. He knows that. That's, that's his thing. And we would all come together and toss our collective knowledge into space. The ability to have the ego to, the lack of ego to say, oh, I don't know. Let's find out was one of the most fun things about teaching and learning for me. And I think that's why I enjoy listening to you so much, Brett, because there's so much you know, and you make it accessible and fascinating, and you make it okay to say, hey, I don't know about quantum physics, but I'm going to dive into this pool. Anyway, as I said in a different thread, I now measure my house and the condition of my universe by how many Brett Halls it takes me to clean. There's a couple Brett Halls left to go here, so I'm going to continue to listen and learn something new.

[8:46:27] I should say now I'm being a little misleading. I said the more you learn, the more ignorant you become. Of course, that's not quite true. Now, when you learn something, you have filled in a little bit of your ignorance. You've coloured in that part of the picture. But for every question that you answer, new questions are opened. You realise new vistas on the sea of ignorance. And that sea of ignorance is infinite, and it always is infinite. But there are certain unknown unknowns. Okay, there's lots of unknown things that you just don't even know you don't know. And when you learn something, you learn about new things that you don't know. And those new things that you don't know continue to multiply. The amount that you know at any given time is finite. The ignorance, the unknown unknowns is always infinite. And the known unknowns are things that multiply. For every one thing you learn, you know, pick a random number, a hundred new things are revealed to you that you do not yet know. And there in the complete darkness, you just don't know all the things you don't know.

[8:47:24] I need to join MemeCoinaholics Anonymous. This time I saw someone using the voice feature on threads. I don't think it's transcribing, but interesting to see whether it will take off. After testing it, yes, it is transcribing. It looks like it's probably coming from the device itself. It wasn't really good. It missed the first part of the message. My latest addiction has been Farcaster. I've spent quite a bit of time there over the last year and a half.

[8:48:22] Met a bunch of great people, hosted the first Farcaster conference here in Boston. Recently, I've been learning a lot about meme coins, which even though I've been in crypto forever, I never really got into them until a few months ago. So yeah, it's been pretty good. How about you? As you said, you've been spending a lot of time in Farcaster. Do you see Farcaster just becoming for these type of things or is it becoming for all types of things as a social media? because now it's so clearly in the central focus of this and obviously channels and everything what they're doing now is supporting meme coins and everything to do with the crypto trading and day trading and all these things going on for a long time can you see that it actually works on just a more regular tweeter type of communication or even what the hr is doing or is it just for trading and this type of exchanging, well, trading things.

[8:49:22] To give you one example, there's an app called Dracula. It's Dracula with a K dot app that launched using, kind of using Farkaster, not really using Farkaster, but starting within Farkaster and growing from it. And Dracula is trying to do a vampire attack on TikTok. And so the app itself, when you use it, it's very usable by anybody. It's not crypto-focused. You do earn points, but I think the points are very abstracted. You don't need to know anything about wallets. And it's very gamified. And it's not aimed at meme coins. It's not aimed at crypto people. It's aimed at the normal person. But it's using, I don't think it's quite using the Farcaster network underneath, but it could be. So Farcaster is more than just Warpcast and the particular client. It's the protocol, and there's a lot you can build on it. Jess, if you launch a meme coin, I would totally buy first and ask questions later.

[8:50:10] good one given what you just said about you so done with this wow i cannot believe the transcription got that one right milos huge props oh my god this cannot be the thing that i am known for so where is this a famous chess meme coin how can i get one or many as many as your heart can take public speaking class today with a guy from london he's an actor. So he gave me a text to read a few times and he kept asking me to end the sentences with an upward intonation. I kept trying it and didn't feel right for some reason. And then realized, I said, look, when I do that, I start sounding British. I'm not going to do that anymore. It's not natural to me. So I'm not sure why Brits do that, but they always end sentences on the upper going intonation. I guess it's the technical term for this thing.

[8:51:07] I completely agree with this. If it takes more than 10 seconds to explain what the meme coin is and why it's fun, definitely don't buy it. That's probably the best definition of a meme coin. The biggest difference I would say between meme coins and past cycles with ICOs is that the tech and the tooling has improved a lot. And so you can do this stuff so much faster now. Because of Farcaster, because of tools like Party and very standard contracts and Uniswap and all these DeFi tools like DexScreener, you can launch a meme token and go viral within hours, whereas ICOs would take at least weeks to set up. So I'm kind of curious to know, is there anyone on AirChat who records and sends their chit from the first attempt? Because my count of this happening is almost, or it's not almost, it's literally zero. So I'm kind of curious, is there anyone who regularly like records chits from the first attempt and just sends them? I think it's a good metric on how much your speed is actually improving.

[8:52:02] So if your trials keep decreasing with time, then I think it's a good metric that you're kind of improving and getting your ideas through. I tend to do that if the tech is not failing. It was always bound to happen. Apple has partnered with Baidu in China. It means their AI integration into Mac products like iPhones and iPads and MacBooks can happen using Baidu's Ernie bot, which is already approved by the strict Chinese regulations. Anyone got any intel? What does everyone think? Obviously, Baidu shares have been going up because of this too. Brilliant thinking is rare, but courage is an even shorter supply than genius. Courage by other name is often doing the right thing. I'm the only person who thinks the series is not that good. The game theory is terrible. The science is kind of weird and interesting at the end, but mostly, again, theoretical and unproven. And the first part is about the Cultural Revolution in China.

[8:52:52] I'm not sure how exciting that is for you. The characters are still different flat. It jumps all over the place. I think it's a waste of your time. you can do much better. There is far better sci-fi out there. It's just contemporary, that's what kind of makes it more compelling to people. People like things that are new, but there's a lot better sci-fi out there that isn't as new. For example, the ship episode. Can those metal parts really hold while such a tremendous tension is coming their way and that the string solution is in a completely different level? Then the nuclear plaster as well. How do they deliver them? And can it actually have on space that kind of effect when you're just blasting them out into open? It's possible that Apple is even more screwed by this shift than Google is. Google at least has some competent AI that they can put on Android. Apple has nothing. Siri is so bad that it's so sad that it's not even worth mentioning. It's just so sad.

[8:53:50] "I hate branded stuff. That would look great on a t-shirt." And become the brand. "Update, increasingly a pain in the ass to keep all of my external cyborg body parts charged, though." That makes for upgrading embedded battery solution. "No wonder why he's back to the insuator one today." After he has entered a lot of Twitter spaces, I think he's getting ready to come back here. They call me Naval, but I'm also known as Nav. Snooze with the flow, I'm on the right path. Navigating beats, I'm the captain of rap. In the game of life, I'm closing the gap. Naval on the mic, spitting fire with ease, guiding through the waves, breaking boundaries. With every verse, I'm making history. In the realm of hip-hop, I'm a mystery. I'm on the nav, steering through the night. With rhymes so tight, I shine so bright. From the depths of sea to the highest of the peak, I'm the rap phenomenon, unique and sleek. Naval on the mic, spitting fire with ease, guiding through the waves, breaking boundaries. With every verse, I'm making history.

[8:54:48] In the realm of hip-hop, I'm a mystery. I navigate through life with precision and flair. In the world of rap, I'm beyond compare. With Nav as an alias, I conquer the scene. In the hearts of fans, I reign supreme. So when you hear Naval or Nav in the mix, know it's me bringing the sickest hits. In the universe of rap, I'll forever shine. Naval's the name and the legacy's mine. Just like nobody gets divorced while the sex is good, nobody stops building their product while they're having fun. Oh, that's why there are so many features in products. Just like nobody gets divorced while the sex is good, nobody stops building their product while they're having fun. DDoS by complexity. It's a famous strategy of Vitalik in my opinion and hopefully the ability to spawn complexity with such ease using chat GPT to create a story can make people prefer simple truths they can understand. Because once you stack together a lot of simple truths it can get complicated even if each simple piece can be explained.

[8:56:17] it's the stacking of simple pieces that might be the new medium of adventure for people looking for good ideas rather than this maze of complexity but i'm sure that the true complexity that's authentic won't be going anywhere anytime soon but maybe some of the false complexity will after a while sadly it's only going to get worse before it gets better because everybody just got access to it but eventually i think people are already starting to sense when something's written by chat gpt and is phony it's only going to grow which means indirectly people's ability to detect authenticity may be growing too and that's the paradox of it if you have to explain it you're ruining it and often that's the only way to tell what's happening and why it's beautiful but because the others haven't gone through the journey. There's no way to describe it. It's like you are the only person on the moon. Nobody else been there. How do you express? What do you see? How do you feel? Well, you can always take a picture, but that's not the same thing.

[8:57:26] We're not even drunk yet. Just have to find a creative way of showing your addiction without an addiction room. What have you been after, Grin? Platforms can bias people towards certain kinds of behavior, but they can't curate a community. We can't just say only let smart and intellectual people on because our definitions of who's smart and intellectual are going to vary from yours. So you cannot count on the platform to curate for you. You have to curate for yourself. The platform provides the tools. So as long as you follow smart and interesting people, it should remain the way it is. If anything, your opportunities will increase because there will be more smart and interesting people to choose from. Of course, there'll be people that don't resonate with you. Don't follow them. they're done Adobe software is the most successful commercial virus ever created and I've had to wipe entire hard drives just to get rid of all of its crazy ways of embedding itself into the OS so what apps needs to do and this is for the crypto I'm not sure whether it actually works for the regular encryption keys and things like that.

[8:58:34] But then they need to switch off that mode of making it basically go slower and separate those in the application level. But because it's not exactly a bug, it's more like a feature and it's deeply within how the CPU works. It needs to be done consciously while you're writing the app. And for regular keys, I'm not sure whether it works. whether it can be done in OS level, I don't really know. Maybe for new stuff, but does it really work for the existing programs? And if it's so deeply embedded to all the systems, maybe not. Your second question asks, among other things, why does it interfere? Why does it interfere?

[8:59:21] So it, I presume, means a particle. And then you understand, always in the same way from the multiverse into this reality. Well, it's not always in the same way. So let's pause there. You fire a single particle at an apparatus and you subjectively, as a person performing the experiment, do not know where that particle is going to end up on the screen. You fire it again. You also don't know where it's going to end up. But after doing this a thousand, a million times, you would be able to predict what the pattern is going to be or the probability distribution, if you like. But each time you do the experiment, you will always get a different result, slightly different. And for any given photon, you have no hope of being able to predict where it's going to end up. and so that's the point now this is unlike most experiments in science of course because with science what you want is repeatability repeat the experiment get the same outcome but each time you find a photon it goes to a different place on the screen it's not repeatable the only thing that is repeatable is over time do a million such experiments and then the next million such experiments resemble the first million such experiments and the only way of explaining both sets is the same laws are governing what's going on what are those laws those are the laws of quantum mechanics and the way to understand that that particular pattern is to say aha there must be other particles shoving aside the photons we do see, because we only ever fire one photon through the apparatus at a time. You say, ha ha, you're invoking things that we do not see to explain what we do. Of course I am. As David likes to say, whenever you look at a fossil, you're not seeing a dinosaur. A fossil is actually a rock. It's a pattern in the rock.

[9:00:40] If you want to explain that pattern that's in the rock by recourse to big lizard-like things that were wandering the earth millions of years ago, the creationist will laugh at you, but you should laugh at them, because they're dismissing explanation. They want something else. You're giving them a good explanation of how the rock ended up looking like a fossil in terms of dinosaurs, and David is giving you a good explanation of how the pattern that you see in the interference fringes is explained by the existence of particles you do not see, but nonetheless exist, because we are in a multiverse. That was the essence, even though it was cut short, I don't know if it's a bug or feature that at some point it will just cut off without warning. If I remember correctly, Joseph was a great musician too, right? You're correct, he was playing guitar on the OG air chat. Unfortunately, Keith accidentally deleted his account, although we probably make it too easy to accidentally delete your account, so we will tighten that. One of our developers, Andy, accidentally deleted his account as well, so it does happen.

[9:01:35] But Keith is using that as a way to take a break from AirChat because he was nursing a serious AirChat addiction while he should be working. So I talked to him, and he said he'll be back in a week or so, fingers crossed, but I let him know that we miss him. Dave Deutsch defined fun as the process of ideas interacting with each other via evolution. So thinking more about this, I think a big part of this whole dynamic is it's not just about spreading your ideas. It is also just seeing your ideas interact with the world and instantiating them in products, in movements, in companies whatsoever, and seeing those interact with the world. That's fun. If you want to maximally impact the world, then have good ideas. Articulate them well, without ulterior motive, and instantiate them into reality. Hello there.

[9:02:52] Thanks for everyone who visited and supported here, and also especially on the product account, and those who upvoted. So now the product is listed and the journey can start there as well. Oh nice! I assume that my primary use case for it would be being able to work while laying in bed. So that's interesting to hear that you're using it for that. That's pretty cool. I think we found our Apple Visions only active user. user. Is anyone still using their Apple Vision Pro with any regularity? Oops, I did a thing. I just put my app on a product hunt on a whim. Let's see how it goes. So if you know how product hunt works and you want to give an upvote or check it out, go to Nortti. And I will also put it on the picture here so you will see. No, luckily because I'm using Go, it's not those types of Python bugs where you've got no idea exactly what's going on.

[9:03:49] Right now, it's an issue of a conflict in packages. And there's this package that I cannot avoid, but it's written so terribly that it takes me so long to just get it to work correctly. And if I had to write it from scratch by myself, which I could, it would take me another three months. But we don't want to wait that long. So now I have to make do with what we have. And that's where the debugging happens, because I'm like, I'm expecting this. This is what I'm getting. And just the code is terrible. The code base is terrible. So that's the kind of debugging I'm talking about. If it was with Python, I wouldn't even know what was causing the problem. It's so like Python is so obstructed that you really struggle to know what the root of the problem is because there's so many layers. But with Go, at least it tells you what's wrong and you can go trace what's wrong and you can fix it. But yeah, that's that's the suffering I'm going through right now. But I'll get there. I'll get there.

[9:04:37] Oops, I did a thing. I just put my app on Product Hunt on a whim. Let's see how it goes. So if you know how Product Hunt works and you want to give an upvote or check it out, go to Notti. And I will also put it in the picture here so you will see. Congrats on Launch Battery, as I've told you before. I think this is a very useful tool. I'm curious, what does the name of the app mean? It's Finnish. It means note. It also has some other connotations. If you Google note crisis, I think I even put it somewhere. I don't remember where. But there was a thing which happened in Finland when Russia was meddling with the presidential elections. And it was, I think, around the Cuban Missile Crisis. So there was nuclear threats and stuff happening at the same time. So note, note is a diplomatic note. That's the connotation. It has it in Finnish, but it means note. And it was available. It's short. And what I learned also that it has this magical double O, which is in a lot of these apps which are successful.

[9:05:38] That's what I learned later on. Like, well, you can figure them out. Just a warning, if you're updating to the latest test flight 1489, your feed and highlights might be completely empty. But you can go back to the previous builds from the test flight and it should work back. At least that's the case with me. That happened and I downcreated it and all is good and cool again. Unfortunately, most of the politicians are not working. In a way, builders and those people who are creating are thinking, and usually the bad news sell and get you elected again. So most likely this will not happen. And if you're a builder, why are you in a public position? People expect politicians to lead, but in a democracy, the average politician follows. They follow the will of the voters. They simply execute on what the voters want, but with their own idiosyncratic personality.

[9:06:29] There are a few politicians who do lead, and usually these are the best politicians and the worst politicians. And altogether, this is the vicious circle. Politicians are looking for people, and people are looking for the so-called leaders, and this is why we are in this mess. On the plus side though, I see a lot of productivity gains as people are not having to spend so much money on all these services that they can help for themselves or have AI on them. They will then be able to go and create new things because there is so much need for new engineering that those minds will go away from programming computers and maybe go create other things. And then AI will adapt to that and then we'll move on to the next thing. But I just see increased productivity. I just think, when I think about it very carefully, I worry that the transition may actually be a very dark period. Especially if we're not able to take care of those who will not be able to survive the initial shock of this upending of an old system.

[9:07:28] How many positions, jobs you can come up, which were not even a thing 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago? That's how the society is always changing. and I don't think it's slowing down. It has never slowed down. There's always been disruption, but people are inventive. They always create new needs, so there's never less demand for things. It's just about discovering new ways, so I wouldn't be worried. TikToks and all these performative video clicks has made this explosive option less credible nowadays. Maybe it's better to be just hard-quality calculating James Bond villain. It only works if you're coherent and extremely well-spoken. In other words, you need to be real.

[9:08:21] I think this is where public messaging is important from leaders, because by focusing on doomsday scenarios, they scare people. whereas if they used empowering messaging they'd encourage people to use these tools to offload tasks and to become more effective at their job or maybe even explore new areas of knowledge that they are interested in and maybe start businesses. I think a lot of it's down to how this is framed. Unfortunately most of the politicians are not working. In a way builders and those people who are creating are thinking and usually the bad news sell and get you elected again. So most likely this will not happen. And if you're a builder why are you in the public? position. Right, it's time to go full Genghis Khan then. TikToks and all these performative video clicks has made this explosive option less credible nowadays. Maybe it's better to be just hard-quality calculating James Bond villain. Friendly panda.

[9:09:19] Yeah, sometimes I think of air chat as a global walkie-talkie or a social walkie-talkie. it has the social it has to walk talk so it has the movement it has this casual nature it also implies that you are in a distance and because it's social it's more than 101 it was effortless async voice chat i guess not looking back that's a little long-winded but i really liked it at the time friendly panda Well, my bold statement on AirChat was never feel alone again. That pissed a lot of people off, but a lot of people liked it too. And I think it's authentic and it really is about the feeling that this app evokes. But at the moment that's gone. I don't know if we'll bring it back. Fairy Forum happened this week. It was today's event for the Fairyverse.

[9:10:13] Preds introduced how they're going to do the federation there. They had to speed them out there. I had one for my app, and it put me thinking there were some really nice conversations. It was an un-conference, so there were a lot of people talking about various of things, and the next one I will say you something. And this is tying back also to people being a little bit afraid of using their voice, talking publicly and expressing themselves. They feel comfortable doing it in smaller arenas, but when it's public, and it's also pretty broad, even a Twitter and these different formats, either text or voice or video. So this is the change we are in the middle of, and we are not even ready for the next one, which is the LLM staking over, everything being fake and in real time, computed and perfected. It's just a tagline at best. We're not going to change the name of the app. We actually really like AirChat. It's perfect. And you can still do fire chat, water chat, and maybe even space chat. Oh yes, I thought we were just discussing the tagline. So the name is perfect.

[9:11:20] AirChat is like perfect. But the tagline, house party in your pocket. And I also like real talk. I'm forgetting who mentioned that. But yeah, there's something magical there as well. So So maybe I mix it through. I don't know. But I'm in for both. Yeah. Yeah, I have still the app on my phone. I don't think I ever was in any house party. I just, it was COVID times and I think somebody invited me. So I installed it. Yeah. Doesn't appear to be working. Entrepreneurial drive, agency, founder mentality, getting things done, shipping, zero to one. Incredibly rare traits. Unbelievably rare. One out of a million. I'm going to tag the team for a moment. Kyle, Kevin, Ben, Brian, Veer, Cameron, Andy, Padam, Arjun, Sigil, Milos. Take a bow, gentlemen.

[9:12:20] My second favorite part has been having Keith as a user. I'm really curious of Max's response, if he will even respond because he will reveal something. original air chat default you should run for president that was a political answer hey linda typical friday night enjoying an amazing california meal and air chatting at the same time whole new meaning of saying catching a good content on air chat oh now we need to include fred hall how do we do time compression whole new meaning of saying catching a good content on air chat there's also another option we could try inspired by the infinity hotel so the simplest solution is just everybody's start speaking double the speed so this way we will increase and there's no compression needed and air chat do not need to tweak the algorithm oh you gotta share the hack How do you do 4x here? You put it on 3x then listen faster.

[9:13:26] Oh, now we need to include Fred Hall. How do we do time compression? I never ever can bear listening to myself on 1x. It literally makes me disgusted. I only listen to myself x4. Oh, you've got to share the hack. How do you do 4x here? I think lots of software guys, myself included in the past, we have that shamanistic belief that, oh, if we include hardware into solution, solution automatically becomes bulletproof secure. But 10 years in the trenches taught me better because realistically, as soon as you introduce that extra trinket, well, it's single item. What if your cleaning lady finds that item on your desk? What if your drunken friend find it when goofing off in your apartment during the party? There is so many scenarios what can happen with, again, that single physical piece that is very easy to lose, very easy to destroy. And again, how you secure access to it? If we're talking about old school trinkets like Trezor, so your keys are on the trinket. That's literally the only location of the keys.

[9:14:25] And how they are protected? Oh, by a pin code. So if you are typical casual users, like type of small business owners, like typical square users, do you think they will have a 10-digit random generated pin code? Or it will be 1, 2, 3, 4 on sticky note, and that sticky note would be glued exactly to that hardware trinket. So by introducing hardware, did you really increase security of that system? Did you really make the user safer? Or you basically created illusion that it's secure because there is a hardware trinket involved. So when you start thinking about all the externalities of actually integrating hardware into workflow, I think for professional, it works amazingly great because we know exactly what hardware is capable of and how to secure it. But when you start dealing with casual users, yeah, I think it's a far bigger percentage for statistical disaster. I think he's associated with the Mises Institute.

[9:15:38] And yeah, he's into Austrian economics, and I think he's amazing. And I love his ideas, and I love his little short new book called How to Think About the Economy, which he promotes as something that your grandma can understand about economics. Per, it's great to have you here. Feel free to engage in discussions that you find interesting, and let us know what you think. Hey, Per Pylund. Welcome to the AirChat experience. It looks a little bit different from the AirChat, so curious to hear. How do you like it here? I completely agree. I've never bought the medium of exchange analogies. You don't need it as a medium of exchange. Any medium of exchange will do. In fact, if you were transacting quickly enough, you could use the Turkish lira as a medium of exchange. It just happens to be an accident of history that the medium of exchange and the store of value are currently the same thing. But historically, that hasn't always been the case, and they will likely decouple again, each one doing what it does best.

[9:16:30] Yeah, that's true. I was just thinking, I don't know, I was thinking more in fundamental ways and money proper, and we don't have that anymore. So yeah, you can separate them. It introduces some of the issues, but for example, money of medium exchange can, if you do it quickly, technically, you can use whatever you like and counterparty risks come with that. But that's just the reality of the life. And yeah, you can have different asset classes, which can be a store of value. Anything goes in that regard. Yes. So technically, I think nothing has changed. It's just like the rest of the humanity before us. Yes, you can actually use almost anything for the medium of exchange. You could use the Turkish Lira or the Mexican Peso as long as you get in and out quickly enough. What state am I when I try to find the mic button on Twitter? The latest version of Edge It App looks really nice. It's really pleasant to operate with. So congrats! By the way, explain it to me like I'm five and probably I am. What does the star do? I just cannot figure it out. I mean on the left top corner.

[9:17:29] I've tried to watch James Hoffman's videos on YouTube to recommend me a coffee grinder and that guy just cannot get to the point or summarize he has amazing insight but he just rambles for 20 minutes and he just does not give you a list at the end or say buy this right there's no text summary so I'm looking for someone to cut to the chase and say here is a great stylish small electric coffee grinder that does the job and will do fine for pour over or drip coffee and then here's the fastest method to make a high quality dark roast drip out of that and whatever you're doing do not go to webworkshops.com. It's the end of the line. It doesn't get any better from there. So do not go to webworkshops. Thanks for the suggestions, Petri. Some really good ideas in there. I'm actually going to go with just the French press system and a good grinder because I don't drink espressos or Americanos. I don't like Americanos very much, but I appreciate the input and I'll look into the Vario. Thank you. If he just wants to get rid of TikTok, why not let Elon Musk buy it? I'm sure he do a proper job. We will not recognize it after a year. A growth mindset is treating everything as a skill issue. That's literally my problem. Everything is a skill issue. Not good? Skill issue. Don't know web development so you can't build an invitation flow? Skill issue. Veer's gonna teach me and get me familiarized with the code base. I'm just gonna learn, you know. Have the highest a positive second derivative rate of growth and you will be unmounded. You will outpace all the people who have negative connotations to learning if you are a lifelong learner.

[9:19:00] If you really want to take it to the next level, then you use the same method as Bastiat in the 19th century was using. He was using it for writing and argumentation for reduction ad absurdum, but here you can take it to the next level by, let's say that you think that it will take a month. What if it has to be ready by Friday? What if you think of improving something two times, three times? What if it needs to be a hundred thousand times, a million times better, or faster, or whatever the metrics you're thinking of? And this way you have to break the boundaries, assumptions you're having and start to think differently and because there's only loss of nature and creativity the rest is for you to figure out early twitter was buying out some of the clients and this is obviously a good move if you want to block the competition and i cannot help but think of forecaster where the warp caster is the leading client now and i don't think there's any other legitimate competitor for that one at the moment of course this can be only seen as a could hire but since blue sky the organization which has been developing AT protocol and also the client and the network at the same time they have taken other people's money so they need to do something in order to return it so this always begs the question how do you do it and it seems to be that when you have a leading client the rest will not really succeed so it's the winner takes it all and the left the rest are just left with the scraps this is what happened with the good old browser wars as well. Early twitter was buying out some of the clients and this is obviously a good move if you want to block the competition and i cannot help but think of Forcaster where the Warbcaster is the leading client now and i don't think there's any other legitimate competitor for that one at the moment. Did Blue Sky just use the old twitter playbook?

[9:20:46] they hired GraySky developer, which was the leading iOS alternative client for BlueSky. And now the app is obviously out of commission. And there's only the BlueSky app, which is not really good at the moment in iOS. Keith, this is literally the moment you've been waiting for your entire life. Introducing Daniel Hong. Back in 2008, when he was eight years old, he received the Bitcoin white paper from the mailing list. And at age 11, he implemented one of the first GPU miners for Bitcoin in the CUDA programming language, which, as you may know, is by NVIDIA. And I think around that time, he was also jailbreaking iPhones. And one day, Apple tried to sue this guy, but then they realized he was a kid. So instead, they offered him an internship.

[9:21:36] So they flew Daniel out from Korea all the way to Cupertino. And he worked on the LLVM team, building out the Swift programming language, which we currently use for building out this iOS app called AirChat. But anyways, Daniel's been around the block. He's one of the most technical crypto people I know. Incredibly smart and has a very fascinating, unique mind. Daniel, why don't you tell us a bit about what you're working on right now? I know X is going to shit because even creators like Massimo, who used to post informative and engaging content, have now switched to clickbait content. It's just awful. Why is it that the modern cities most rich in culture and the arts, like San Francisco, Paris, New York, and Los Angeles, why is it that these cities tend to be plagued by poverty and homelessness? Or is it that the contrast is more higher and you recognize those things?

[9:22:36] The contrast is certainly higher, but just on an absolute basis, many of these cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco just rank very high in the per capita scale as well. The small version of Kate's profile picture reminds me of this. Little does he know that he will end up programming the new ultraviolet laser that we have for electrostatically separating different kinds of microscopic particles. Did you already send him the spec? The point is well made by the existence of Einstein. It's often said incorrectly that he didn't do that well at school or he failed. He sometimes says, oh, he failed science or he failed maths. That's not true. He did well in physics and maths at school. But he didn't, he wasn't outstanding. You know, you wouldn't have known that Einstein was Einstein by looking at his school results. The teachers couldn't identify him. Any objective person wouldn't have gone, OK, I'll give you a scholarship, Einstein. It wasn't until he left, you know, and he did his undergraduate and then he was going to go to school. On his own, in the patent office there, he came up with this stuff that changed the world, that revolutionized physics forever.

[9:23:39] But at no point before he produced that would anyone have identified him. So how do you identify someone like that now? Well, that's the eternal mystery. I don't know. But we're working on it. It takes one to see the one, and that's usually after the fact. And also, what if it's a coincidence? What is a chance somebody stumbles upon this thing? because nobody else has looked into that direction. It's not a person. It's the circumstances, the coincidences. So there's no way to identify the person because it's not about the person. Well, in a way it is because he or she was the only one doing something in that field. But anybody or almost anybody could have done it with the same level of expertise if they just would have looked into that direction. So maybe the point is you cannot do that beforehand. And that's why you should allow everybody to do things and not predetermine beforehand who has the access rights.

[9:24:33] There are some excellent courses by David Mullen at Harvard, CS50 Python courses, which are the interaction courses. They're really well made, and millions of people have went through them, and they're really worth checking out. They are exercises, so you can build up your skills, and it's a little bit more supportive way of getting started. And maybe that even speeds up things, so it's just worth checking out. And they are also free. Well, that's why scientific unit of measure is called gigapetri. I better keep talking. Beta-petri is very better. But the question underneath your assertion is, do fundamental breakthroughs in those cases happen because of, or in spite of, the static societies in which they found themselves? Would more dynamism have helped an earlier flourishing and more than just what did occur in all of those empires and dictatorships?

[9:25:27] We're not quibbling over whether government funding allows progress, period. We are discussing, I thought, whether it is the best way of doing things for, in particular, fundamental research. So if you had the choice, would you have the government bureaucrats choose? Or would you have entrepreneurs and investors just give money to the innovators and allow them to do blue sky research? Society is also hostile to new innovation. They resist, they rebel. They don't want to change. They don't want to change the way they saw at the moment. There are a lot of incumbents who are benefiting from the current state of affairs. So there's a lot of factors which are against. And if you're government-funded, you're also vulnerable to get cancelled. And this doesn't happen if you're already out of the system. Einstein, not government-funded. Keep going back in history. Faraday, Darwin, Newton and other pioneers of the scientific revolution, not government-funded.

[9:26:17] The pioneers of quantum theory, largely not government-funded. But then, of course, you have the Manhattan Project. But that exception proves the rule. Today we've got Deutsche Marletta largely working outside the government-funded system and the university system. Julian Barber I've been speaking about recently, also not government-funded. What advice do you have for ambitious people who go to prestigious institutions and realize that it doesn't align with their values or that a lot of the work is almost fake? I have friends who complain that the prescriptions they give are getting in the way of them doing real great work. I feel like people feel this, especially if they truly want to or aspire to want to do great work. Why do you do what you do?

[9:27:06] Do you do it because you're curious and there's something which needs to be solved? There's a problem and it's bugging you and you need to do something because nobody else is doing anything about it. And it just needs to be done. Or are you doing it for some other purposes? Holy shit, Petri, your old air chat data is 13.8 gigabytes. Alright, I'm sending it to you. Holy shit, Petri, your old air chat data is 13.8 gigabytes. Alright, I'm sending it to you. Some words were spoken. Thank you. Hey buddy, I have a little life update. You know the guy I'm dating right now? He proposed to me for a marriage yesterday. He was in my city for my birthday, and just before he boarded his flight on airport, he gave me this note in which he had written about his feelings for me, whole hearted it, and it was really sweet. And I'm actually considering talking about this relationship with my parents so that they can take things further, because it's a long procedure in India.

[9:28:12] Fingers crossed, I'm very curious about their reaction. Life is a sandbox play. You take the qualities, but the rest stays. Talk like nobody is listening. True for all of us. Conversation is the ultimate prompt. You can have writer's block. You can be camera shy. You can have stage fright, but almost nobody has conversation block. Imagine someone listening to your air chat conversations a thousand years in the future while they're traveling to Alpha Centauri. And they have nothing better to do than dig into early days of social media archives and listening to all these conversations. No pressure. Just keep on talking.

[9:29:02] Time doesn't really exist. And there's only potentially the rest of the humanity listening to you. Keep on talking. No pressure. public converse are the new social media posts pretty clever book marketing i noticed on nostril yesterday avipura made a book i think it came out late last year where he gave clues for 24 words in the book i think it's a fiction book but here's the twist if you put those words you discover those words and you put them in the right order Those are the seed word for a wallet. And that wallet currently has a word of maybe 12k of fiat USD. So that's pretty nice marketing for the book. Read the book, but try to get there and unlock the secret. That is a bold and interesting marketing strategy, I must say.

[9:29:57] A few days ago, Alex was talking about how Claude III found a digital needle in a haystack, or in that case it was a pizza reference, out of context of the rest of the body of the text. So maybe this could be a similar thing. Those 24 words and the clues, which are dropped in probably in more than one place for the order of the seed words, might be a little bit out of place for the rest of the book content. So this is a test to see whether LLMs are any good, actually finding stuff out of context. Someone tweeted like a month ago, a tweet that says, don't confuse a deep talker with a deep thinker. And some people replied in the comments, asking what that meant or what was the difference between the two.

[9:30:48] So I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. what's talk without thought pretty clever book marketing I noticed on Noster yesterday Avi Pura made a book I think it came out late last year where he gave clues for 24 words in the book I think it's a fiction book but here's the twist if you put those words you discover those words and you put them in the right order those are the seed word for a wallet and that wallet currently has worth maybe 12k of fiat USD. So that's pretty nice marketing for the book. Read the book, but try to get there and unlock the secret. A new welcome finder's fee is optional. But if you generate something people can experience firsthand, well, you need a Vision Pro or some kind of a device to see it. But if you can, so to speak, walk through and experience something which takes compute, effort, time, work to put together.

[9:31:49] And that's something that you can visit. It's the ready player me, which is coming maybe in 5-10 years for all of us. Until then, it's just practice with NFTs and cryptos and all these different shapes and forms till we get there. Matrix. Be me up, Scott. Our virtual world's the new Flex. because influencing with Instagram and posting pictures and videos can all be reproduced with LLMs, so it doesn't prove anything anymore. This is an emergent air chat behavior. It's going to stick around forever, like periods at the beginning of adding someone on Twitter. It's others who speak by silence. Truth be told, Max, I love your insanity.

[9:32:38] Even here, some people are trying to get out of their mind. lunch hashtag food poster tom tom tom the original air chat influencer i went to twitter and it feels so quiet i kept looking for the play button the native audio generation is so behind air chat true for all us conversation is the ultimate prompt you can have writer's block you can be camera shy you can have stage fright but almost nobody has conversation block in both cases physics or contemplation you will end up with an objective fact of the matter there is just the instant it's where you think you find time. But there is no time when you look closely enough. An Instant in Time, a mini podcast for AirChat, and an introduction to my own series, breaking down David Deutsch's Fabric of Reality chapter all about time. The instant is not in time because there is no eternal time. Time is in the instant. The instants are what is fundamental. Time is a word labelling a fiction that we've all agreed on, like the force of gravity. There is no force. There is no time. There is only the eternal now. Physics says so objectively. Contemplatives demonstrate this to be true to themselves subjectively.

[9:34:16] The current promise of AirChat is that you can open it up and have a conversation anytime you want. The future promise of AirChat is that you will be able to open it up and have a conversation anytime you want with something that you want to talk about. see you'll see so is the united states government finally banning tiktok are we there the bill described it as um banning i actually don't remember the exact words but um tick tock posted on x a response that even though it's worded differently it's clear that this bill is against tiktok we're about to ban tiktok and tramples whatever rights americans have to access information via tiktok some bullshit like this um what do you guys think yes or no to ban tiktok is tiktok and the rest dead in one or two years anyways because of all the llm generated content and videos all those lose meaning because you can just type in a prompt and there it goes and you cannot tell the difference whether it's a fake totally fake or authentic so the whole signaling thing goes away the whole influencing thing goes away because everybody can do them do that so what's next? Fuck, I was too optimistic. When Walter White dies, a new Heisenberg always comes back.

[9:35:55] Where is the nude Walter White? We need Walter White. There was Weeds, there were so many good series in the last decade, and where are they now? Walter White, come back. And then all the stuff about like, oh, the data does not leave servers in the US or whatever. I mean, it's just a laughable joke. Every Chinese tech company has CCP officials inside of it who are basically, you know, running the place. So I just don't know how you get around that. Is a Chinese company like it or not? That's the main issue. If it was an American company, hell no, there'd be absolutely no justification for banning it. Zero. But given that it's a Chinese company, that's the issue. Would you let the Chinese government own every large newspaper in the United States or own every large TV station or own every radio station? This is on the same order of magnitude. But it's way more complicated and way more deep if you look at what is done in China, what type of technologies are coming here. There are routers, there are telecom, mobile network switches and all the gear needed for that one.

[9:36:51] Some of the countries in the EU have banned network access for those Chinese companies to compete with Nokia and Ericsson and others because they consider it a critical infrastructure. The same with mobile phones. Maybe your friendly vacuum cleaner is sending pictures and stuff. China as well. And if you start to look from that perspective, all those little pieces of info put together and looked by the same officials start to give a better picture of what's really going on. Again, nothing probably happens in the universe. Things just happen, or they don't happen. That's it. That's the fundamental point. That rings really true. When I was just coming fresh out of school, I interviewed for a job at McKinsey. They really wanted me. The manager told me I was I was a shoe-in and had an interview where the woman asked me, she said, who are your heroes? And I said, I don't really have heroes. I just pick and choose what I want to learn from each person.

[9:37:43] And she just literally blurted out, that is so arrogant. And I got dinged right there. Exactly so. Double tapping to like, H18 domain feed. I think that's already in Android. I don't have an Android, but I just saw that. And that would be pretty cool. For the Android people looking at this message from their feeds, what we do have on Android is the ability to like a message from the notification player. Well, it's featured in Instagram and other places, so you don't need to even look carefully. You just tap into the general direction and it's just a tap-tap. So you don't even have to open the view. Well, I'm only on the iOS, so it may be different in Android, but I mean, it's just like you don't need to even look. You can just listen to it, you like it, you double tap and you move on. but just an idea.

[9:38:33] If you're working on something you really love, is it possible to be fatigued by it? Work was kind of exhausting today, but I guess what I'm trying to ask is, how do you know when you've really found something you love to do? When you're going to bed in the evening, and you barely can wait to get up again and start working, and it's just like, can we already skip to the path? I can wake up. Hey, guys, I have an idea of a feature you should steal from Forecaster. I think they're innovating a lot, and one of the basic things that they've done is basically allow you to post in different topic channels, So I can post in slash Christianity, slash music, slash parenthood, slash ETH Denver. And it's like dope because I know that I can, I'm not just like spamming my general followers. I know it's probably too early for that for air chat, but it's something for you to think about. I really, really enjoyed that feature. It makes me, it helps me target my content towards people that I know or will have a higher likelihood of enjoying that particular piece of content. Is it better to have two co-founders?

[9:39:29] So a total of three or to be a solo founder. The biggest killer of startups is co-founders fighting and turning against each other or just leave. And it's better to be alone if you don't find anyone who is a good compatible match than to take anyone who is not exactly there because it never works. It needs to be all the way there or none at all. Do any of you passively listen to air chat and lurk in the background and not talk that much but just sort of leave it on like radio? And if so, how do you think the playback should work? Should it try to be intelligent and catch you up on conversations you might have missed? What does that mean? Should it just play through your main feed? Should it go through every post or should it just play the highlights? Would you rather just catch up by profile, say, catch me up on everything this person has been talking about?

[9:40:17] How would you like a background passive autoplay experience to work if you're not speaking that much? Visually it's pleasing to look the main feed when the cheat view is not expanded. And I mean that it doesn't have the rigid like and that button. It just looks so nice. And I don't even miss the information how many likes something has. I think it's just for the user. But obviously you need that menu bar. Because otherwise how do you boost and do other things. But it looks nicer without. We have a new feature out on the latest iOS build called Highlights. It's not quite done yet. But for those of you who like to control your own threads and save timeless content, you can now start threads, not individual posts yet, just threads, where you are a participant or have started the thread into your highlights on your profile. So this creates a lightweight room that you can always pin and track and show off to people who come to listen to your content.

[9:41:12] Any volunteers for UTF-8, UTF-16, Swift, Regex, some kind of debugging? Because that's something I don't clearly understand. I get something and the output of some other people are something different. Just shoot me an email at info at first name last name dot com or just hail here. Never worked in JavaScript. We had some issues with some of our encodings, especially because it's like sometimes really hard to have the UTF-8 encoding with regards to some names. Because it kind of ended up using some special characters in it. But that was because in the code that I was writing that was in C++, this is a little not straightforward. So I had to look into debugging and understanding how UDF8 encoding can be embedded perfectly in UDF16 and vice versa to be able to not go into this bug. And that's the reason why I kind of shared the insight that I had with you.

[9:42:06] But I hope you find somebody to help you through it. Yes, it's a similar situation here. You have a user input which has to be encoded into UDF16. Then you have to do the reggae matching and put the byte end and start indexes in place and obviously have to match as well. And then you have to do a little bit of whatever magic and chuckling with the match you find. Then you have to convert all those indexes back to UTF-8. And then magically it works even with non-Latin characters. but when you start to put quotes or some other backslash required characters, the output index values are not exactly where they're supposed to be. I have the smallest example I can almost think of, where the total length of the whole string is 8, and the other code gives us the starting point 8.

[9:42:57] So it doesn't even logically make any sense. No, actually what's going on here, and sorry to give away the plot, is that all conversations are actually one-on-one. When you see a conversation and you reply, and you reply to a specific post in that conversation, you basically create a one-on-one between you and the person you just replied to. So when you see a long thread going on, even if there are multiple people in there, it's just a series of one-on-ones stacked one after the other. And the only person who gets a direct reply is the one that you chose to reply to. You can alert others from the thread by saying CC and their name, but that's an extra step. However, the way the system is structured, there are very high odds that even though you fork the reply with one person, there are very high odds that the other people who were in the thread will also see it. I know it's confusing, but I think it still kind of just works and you don't really need to know how.

[9:43:54] The best way to create content is to be prompted and to have it come out spontaneously rather than sit down there and compose it but i don't think most people think like that there are more friends per user being made on this platform than any other that i am sure of sounds about the right metrics somebody once called air chat instagram for men and our 2x is actually quite a bit slower than 2x but we just call it 2x for simplicity it's 1.3 or something like that isn't it Siri, iCloud, Apple Music. I struggle to think of a single Apple cloud service that is any good. What little I've been using Apple Music and there's been just a few test trials, never subscribed. It's quite decent product. Spotify has been on for so long that it's hard to compete with that one, but I think the quality of the music is probably better and some other things, but like I said, I'm not a pro user. Hello, testing, testing.

[9:44:58] Wow, I saw shit deleted and I couldn't reply, but I could reply to you, because you replied to that deleted shit, so the threads can go on forever. They're going to have to end up buying and integrating some AI company for a fortune. Probably have to bail out someone like an anthropic or a character or someone of that sort. Then they strip away all the services which were already included, like what happened with Siri. I forgot what was the original name for the company and for the product. It wasn't Siri. Whenever my neighbors need to see it. Now we really need to know. I've got a wood fire going. I'm playing Beethoven in the background. The party is right here. Air chat, fireside chats. Air chat, talk to everybody. I think the bigger news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conjuring the whole market more or less.

[9:45:56] If you contrast that to the trouble in paradise at Google, a lot of Google is going around and even the revenue model is eroding. I think the big news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conjuring the whole market more or less. What's even the point if everybody's working for Microsoft? Isn't that just like socialism? Based on my logins, I cannot log into Teams meetings, so yes, it probably works as well. Pro tip: if you're using ear chat with the sound off, you're really missing out. Hit the play mode, scroll, see the auto expand magic. It's great. I think the bigger news is that Microsoft is also going into Mistral, so they are conquering the whole market more or less. I don't think they're really conquering the market. They're hedging.

[9:46:44] OpenAI controls its own destiny and Microsoft doesn't really control OpenAI despite popular belief. despite popular belief. OpenAI is its own company and plans on being much, much bigger than Microsoft. So Microsoft knows that to stay competitive over time, they need access to other foundation models. This is also a chance for them to take an open source model and host it on their Azure platform and give that one a leg up. So I don't think this is that big of a deal. They're also just made a small equity investment. They were raising the private market at a $2.8 billion valuation or so recently, if I remember correctly, maybe even higher. When I was 12, I got arrested by the FBI for hacking into Samsung.com. A few years later, I got swatted by another enemy hacker. He learned to be a cypherpunk. I was born into it. I was using Bitcoin when I was freaking 13 because PayPal banned me.

[9:47:36] I didn't even know what the blockchain was. I was just a victim of censorship. I didn't know who Satoshi was. None of it. Too bad I didn't keep any of those Bitcoins. But then, around the time I was 18, 19, I learned about the other coins. I learned about distributed systems and how Bitcoin was very difficult to hack. I became intrigued because the FBI, they told me that this was my one warning and that if something like this happened again, that they have my file. So I drifted away from the black hat life and learned about neuroscience and optimizing the brain. But then I found my chance to come back. Bitcoin. The only unhackable thing. It was like a strong gravity. It pulled me in and I've never been the same since.

[9:48:29] now it's just peptides and bitcoin cryptography and compounds why a nerd will you hack samsung.com there is a kind of pride that shows up when things are going great when there's win after win after wind and there's voices constantly telling you how amazing and wonderful you are that tends to degrade your soul because you start believing yourself invincible you start believing yourself to be a god and it causes you to start treating people in a very arrogant way you talk down on them you start weighing them into different weights purely purely based by their position at the time there's certain behaviors that tend to present themselves when people are filled with pride. But I'm not saying that you display those because you're certainly a pleasant person and I'm not getting vibes of being a prideful person. But since you're thinking about it, those are my thoughts.

[9:49:41] Thanks. It's filled with the security situation at the moment and it's an unfortunate state of affairs at the moment. But I just feel that, well, you're a good example. A lot of people don't know, even in Europe and in the West and everywhere, what is the real situation. It's like ignoring the security situation in the late 30s when things are not looking really good. And people are just sleeping and planning their holidays and whatnot. What even happened in the 39? Just a few weeks before the World War broke out. Russia tends to fight these wars, not with the largest population, but with the largest disposable population. They are recruiting globally now. There are some Indians, little African people. There's all over the world there are people joining. And most of the time they are fooled. They're not even getting paid. And if they are, for example, dying in the first month, obviously nothing is being paid to them.

[9:50:31] So there's a lot of that happening, and it's all part of the Russian game. They just use people as commodities and play the game. Obviously, the regions, which are the poorest, may start to have a revolt, but given the Russian culture, that's very unlikely. But they don't like to take people from Moscow and St. Petersburg, because that would harm the people in power, but the rest is just disposable. It's just me, but Kevin's simulator is always quiet. It pops up, but there's never any voice, there's never any text. Are they testing end-to-end encryption, or is there some hidden messages in sub-frequencies? The truth is out there. The simulator is using some quantum-level encryption on quantum frequencies.

[9:51:23] Wow. It was just last week. Apple introduced the post-quantum encryption in iMessages, and you already have implemented it. Years back I did a TikTok where Finns are so imposing. When you're in a public transportation, a bus, you have to signal, you have to push the button, which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop. However, in Estonia, it stops at every bus stop, so you don't need to do anything. You can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. I'm looking forward to reading this. Thanks for sharing. a bus you have to signal you have to push the button which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop however in Estonia it stops at every bus stop so you don't need to do anything you can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. The story about LP, what's your take on that? Do you think that that was the correct approach to cancel the concert?

[9:52:46] Do you think that that's a good deterrent? I'm not a party on that one. So in that sense, I don't have an opinion. But I do think that if you don't consider it as a problem that Russia is invading and killing people, then I think it's better to think about things. So in that way, well, if you live next to Russia and you know that they may come any day, maybe tomorrow, and it has happened in the past and it probably will happen in a thousand years in the future. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of survival. So in that sense, it's that serious of a matter. And if some people are just shrugged off and just think it's just a convenience or whatever, a fun topic, I think it's just a different level. So these are the perspectives here. Authentic conversations.

[9:53:37] Air chat. Oval talk. Everyone pretends that they want to be social and out with their friends and hanging out with real people. But in reality, most of your time is spent alone staring at your phone. Years back, I did a TikTok where Finns are so imposing. When you're in a public transportation, a bus, you have to signal, you have to push the button, which obviously everybody can see if you want to get off in the next stop. However, in Estonia, it stops at every bus stop, so you don't need to do anything. You can just sneak out and nobody ever noticed that you existed. I just realized I missed this. I missed the people who are on here, the early air chatters. I missed the impromptu conversations that are happening, still exploring, trying to figure out what to put on here, how this works, where are some of the obvious, let's say, missing pieces for me. But I definitely feel a feeling of coming back, which is great.

[9:54:33] Welcome back. We missed you too, or at least I did. Instead of authentic, which is overused and is a little bit of a big word, I would recommend real, real conversations. Air chat, voice matters. Yeah, and that's why I say those institutions are falling apart inside. The moment they have to recant or apologize, they're splitting internally because the people who did what they did before still believe it. But now management or whoever else has been turned around by feedback from markets and people that they need to change. So Google is falling apart inside. They'll soon have new management. Just watch. Everyone pretends that they want to be social and out with their friends and hanging out with real people. But in reality, most of your time is spent alone staring at your phone. I also realized that people love likes. They love getting likes. We love getting likes.

[9:55:22] I like it when people like my stuff, and I'm sure they also like it when I like this stuff. But then if we like likes, that means that we would also be afraid of anything that may mean that we're getting rejected or disliked. Which then brings me to my next thought. In Nostra, there are a few clients, and that was maybe a year ago, the discussion that there shouldn't be likes at all. And you can take all those metrics away from your view and from your feed if you're in a client, a Twitter type client, and seeing posts. So it is, and I guess some are still using it, it's like opt in, opt out. You can choose to see them or choose not to see them. And I think that can change behavior. Why would you care about the likes of others, the popularity of something? it's about you and you as a content creator if you just see that yeah there have been people who been actually listening to what i've been saying isn't that enough why do you need the likes as a signal i'm just questioning it i'm not i don't have any any point of view other than that at this point obviously it feels nice to be liked by someone but do we need it well petri what you've done is you've elevated the conversation so that the chickens fall off you you've taken us to eagle zone right now where we're thinking about really what matters and what doesn't on the old edge at I didn't actually see how many views I had on anything.

[9:56:38] I just never found out how that worked. And with likes, it's something where I disabled getting notifications of likes because I don't want it to be the reason I'm jumping on because of a like. But what I discovered is it was a way for me to know that someone actually looked and read or listened to what I had said. And it was not like, oh, yeah, I'm looking for the likes. I actually am on balance. I don't care too much about it. I care more about the engagement. Did someone, you know, see it? Did someone talk to me? Like, I prefer the engagement rather than just the likes, the passive likes. So whether they are not, I don't care as long as I talk to people. Honestly, I want to invite more people. I wish there was more conversation in the feed. I want to talk more. I don't want to talk in every conversation, but I want to have more hooks. I want to have more topics. I want to have more different kinds of people. And I want to have more things that I can jump into and engage in.

[9:57:32] I would love to have a feature, and this is just a soft, weak recommendation, an idea coming from that more conversations and picking up what you said about missing conversations because you were sleeping or doing something else. How about if there would be some kind of a personal filter for the main feed, like in Apple's mail app on the Mac? You can have a visit on Gmail, I don't remember, but there's this star, the VIP thing that's on a Mac, Apple Mail. So you could pick up some keywords, and they would be coming on the top of the feed. So those topics which have some keywords, which just this string contains this type of word, type of thing from the people I follow, those would be prioritized, or maybe there's this category, or maybe that's the listing you're talking about. But it could be something like that, which would prioritize the things which may exist, but you just don't see them. But it doesn't need to be an ALCO or anything.

[9:58:20] It's just maybe a way to filter if that's possible and can be done locally in the device. Yeah, I was thinking of something pretty similar, where you could start typing a keyword on top of the feed, and it would just dynamically filter the feed based on that keyword. and then of course it could store keywords it could also suggest keywords based on what's in your feed so you know all that stuff is interesting it's a little further down the line we gotta do a lot more basics first we don't have dms we don't have media uploads we don't have bookmarking we don't have pinning a lot of basic stuff we're still missing so that is coming eventually but down the road. Anyway, thanks for flying, air chat. I also realized that people love likes. They love getting likes. We love getting likes. I like it when people like my stuff, and I'm sure they also like it when I like this stuff. But then if we like likes, that means that we would also be afraid of anything that may mean that we're getting rejected or disliked, which then brings me to my next thought. And it's okay, she'll understand. And if she doesn't, it wasn't meant be. I'm on it Max, give me a few minutes. Awesome thanks so much. I also sent you a DM on AC, and weirdly I also replied to you on this one earlier but it seems to be gone. We already do paragraph splitting so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I did a screen recording about this view and it's on your AC DM so check it out. There's also another message there. At last every chits get their own url yes yes it's snowing in denver right now and i'm experiencing snow for like the first time um snowfall for the first time but pretty cool i'm glad to have lost to a worthy man keith is a legend so for that reason i can forgive your betrayal because it was really to a worthy man we're open to it it's just not on our short-term priority list there's some more obvious things to to get done first.

[10:00:20] I was just thinking the Twitter UX way, which is that you just click the retweet button with a comment, and then you can do your thing. And then it's the beginning of a new thread. But if somebody wants to check the context or expand what's been happening, and if the reply you're doing, the retweeting you're doing, the retweeting is for a thread, which is more extensive, then it points to that original thing. So you don't need to select more than one chit ever. It's just if you can do the pointer thing. I know that is the complex part in this, but if that's the case and it's not a plain duplication of the chit for the re-chit, is that the term now or is it boosting? How do we should call this thing? Chit chit chit! Re-chit! I don't know. Next year's version of AirChit allows you to put on your camera and record your audio, but no sound is produced because it's reading your lips.

[10:01:20] And then your digital audio signature, your voice, has been digitally generated for the Chits. There's a new paper out about LLM that can read the lips from the video feed. And not only that, it can directly translate it into different languages. so it's becoming reality as well. Yeah, I think they're relying on this magic orb that authenticates real people only being in the hands of the trusted few priests. There's also this trend which is just coming. It's probably one or two years still to come really into the regular world but it's the AI generation of everything which puts this exactly in the middle of the authenticity. Yes, you can also obviously fake this but just human connection, human voice being you talking to other human, that becomes rare soon, and the rest is just complete spam and automate it, and that will delete and destroy a lot of the current social media and probably the whole internet.

[10:02:21] You might be able to resolve that through a web of trust type model. It would be kind of complicated, but basically A vouches for B, B vouches for C, and so therefore you know C is real, unless the trust chain breaks, in which case you know to drop the trusted middleman. We're getting back to a digital village where everyone knows everyone and if you don't, they're strangers and you probably don't talk with them. Have you tried the AirChat shuffle mode yet? It even has the roulette feature. If you look at the mic icon, it will go fast first and then it will give you the winner. Yep, the crazies on Twitter have made me into an over-explainer. Sad. The greatest truth that I've heard that resonates in my bones is that there is nothing. I think the best way to describe it is void.

[10:03:13] It's just completely lack of everything. There's nothing. So it's like the creative force before nothing has happened. It's the potential. It's the zero. It's the infinity. It's all and nothing at the same time, without time. Nothing happens. Void. Life is nothing but creating. because everything is always new. Nothing is the same. Nothing stays the same. Yet, why does it feel so repetitive? Because you do so. You create those patterns every second, every minute, every day. You repeat yourself. But that's your choice. But you start to get the benefits already earlier on. And you start to be more creative. You probably start to feel a bit better as well because those repetitive patterns may not be good for you and have been also accumulating over the years.

[10:04:01] It's like a combustion engine completely cleaned and it just works nicely and efficiently. The same thing when all the dust and all the dirt is taken away, yeah, then you can start to perform. And that's what it is all about. I am once again calling on you to recommend new users to join the app. We especially want to test onboarding and seeing if they get confused with the controls like the selector and the recording microphone and cancel and delete and so on and so forth. And of course, please, not Silicon Valley connected people just yet. God, now I'm wishing we had bookmarking in this app. Screen recording is the way to go But then you need to organize those and bookmark them So, another app? I just joined the black tick game I think it looks much cooler In the David Deutsch sense, creativity is the one thing that we do that sets us apart completely That nothing else that we know of in the universe does So given that, why aren't we just creativity itself?

[10:05:02] Ksenia, you've hit on some very deep points. That's why I love this app. We can cross boundaries with all kinds of people, between science, spirituality, and life. Life is nothing but creating, because everything is always new. Nothing is the same, nothing stays the same. Yet, why does it feel so repetitive? Because you do so. You create those patterns. Every second, every minute, every day. You repeat yourself. But that's your choice. You are. You are the source. You are the creativity itself. You consist of creativity. Oh, geez. You guys are out of control. I think Tom Troll found another hole in our defenses, and we're going to have to remove check marks from usernames, or at least from display names. Then there's only Aski character, Krabs, left.

[10:05:54] People's natural inclination is to want to talk with their voices. I've posted more chits than I tweet. in the past week. Even when I was peak Twitter usage, I never posted this much content. It's because we are built to talk like this. You ever seen that video where there's a guy dancing by himself and then one other person starts dancing with him and after that, a crowd of people start dancing? I think that's what AirChat's gonna be like. A few people are gonna talk and show that they can talk and show that it's fun and other people will and eventually everybody's gonna be chatting with their voices because it's more natural to do that than to tweet. and painstakingly labor over every SEO word choice and all this nonsense. It's just different audiences. I hope the one meant for this place grows because there's so much potential and be able to make real conversations async and voice as an optional thing in the background.

[10:06:50] it's like, come here. But there's also another aspect which is that voice has more information than text. You don't get the sentiment, you don't get all that subtext what comes with voice. The voice is so rich and we're so attuned to it so that why it means it matters so much versus the clinical text. What are we gonna do with all the archive of the air chat? Are we gonna release the X-Files, is there gonna be a sub-segment in YouTube with all the golden nuggets, or are we gonna make a book about it, or are we gonna just pile them in some hard drive and forget that it ever happened? Shit, that's true, there is always a hidden trade-off to the powers. Even with pleasure, I think Alan Watts says you can't be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. There probably is some truth in that.

[10:07:42] The ultimate superpower would be to have the knowledge of the laws of nature. So when you text other people, there's a study that happened which revealed that when you text someone there's no oxytocin as such is released. But when you hear someone's voice, the oxytocin levels that release are significant. So I think Areset is good in that regard. People get to hear you every now and then. And there's no texting. In any case, looking at my own previous posts, it strikes me as a shoddy excuse. The market does not care what constraints you have. The market wants what it wants. If you can hit the minimum specs for the market, you get product market fit. If you cannot, the market simply does not care what tradeoffs there are between bugs and features and speed and your coding capabilities. The market is implacable. It is a perfect feedback mirror of correctness.

[10:08:37] your excuses do not apply. Public air chat announcement. If you want all of your past air chat thoughts and mind streams, just respond here with your email and I will get it to you in a zip file. All of your public past musings. Thank you so much, guys. I'm excited to see you guys prolifically create. If you find HR, let me know where they're hiding and I'll fire whoever's So that's to say, I won't let it go to your head, but I'll make sure that you have many awkward experiences. It's not possible to play, and you have to go to the main feed and find it from there, and then you can play it.

[10:09:38] Also can't replicate, but this might be because you're using the iPad. On the iPhone, we are leaving enough padding that you can scroll up and get to it. So is this on the iPad? I sent you a DM on AirChat, where first you will see the case where it's working, and then the latter case is where the autoplay works, but you have to wait. You cannot tap, you cannot move between up and down. the latter one never plays except on an order play and you have to wait so it clearly doesn't move. The other one really works just the first case. Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you're appreciating the velocity at which we're iterating on both Android and iOS. It's on iOS and I'm aware that you were doing the Android but since there's no official airship support profile where to put all these things I just used your profile to put it on this thread and yes that's how it works. I'm I'm on 851, I think it's the number of the build. That's the latest the test flight gives me.

[10:10:34] 851, to me, does look like after the build where playback was fixed for the last item, but we'll see if we can replicate it and what we can do to fix. What's sad is that the version of the box that most people have heard is missing a key stanza. It was replaced by a Garfunkel clarinet solo, and it only shows up in one or two editions, including the live in Central Park version. And it's a beautiful stanza. It goes something like, "Now the years are rolling by me. They are rocking evenly. I am older than I once was, younger than I'll be. But that's not unusual. Isn't it strange how after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same. After changes upon changes, we are more or less the same." I don't think I got that exactly right, but close enough. My theory is that as the air chat grows, younger people will find it. And as young people find the air chat and adopt to it, it will grow more. And two big reasons why it will grow are these.

[10:11:25] Reason number one is voice. Voice is authentic. It's raw. It's a new medium. And youngish people on the internet, they're not shy of using new mediums. They're not shy of putting their voice out there. But it was not possible to scale it at this level before now. before AI, before transcriptions got this good. So voice is reason number one. Reason number two is just that people are looking for new homes on the internet. Everyone wants a home on the internet. And if you give them a way to build a new home, like AirChat has given us, this group right now on the app, they will come, they will live, and they will thrive. AirChat needs a quote, tweet. And similar to quoted tweet, the reply is on the top and the original is at the bottom when you see it on the feed. But the twist is that in this case, the audio comes first from the original and only after that comes the reply.

[10:12:27] All right. I'm wondering if I should do air chat highlights. And my thought with this is incorporate the little spoof I did on the reality TV episode advertisement of the first day of the new air chat. And also incorporating things if Jess were up to it, like the good mornings and weather report and any other things that people frequently are committed to on a daily basis. Thoughts? Marty Malmi, who was working with Satoshi, I think he was the first dev who was cooperating with him. He just dropped the correspondence he had with Satoshi for the first years. It's at malmi.github.io forward slash Satoshi. His name is Marty Malmi, so it's the first letter of his first name and last name.

[10:13:19] And there you can find a lot of stuff. And now we can add to the hashtags and cc tags. how do you tell the links? I'll never forget a YouTube video I saw showing you how to roll your R's in Spanish and they gave the example of if you say the word bottle or rattle and the t-t-l-e at the end quickly bottle that's the tongue movement for rolling your R's for going close your ears perkele on airshad if I can do that with my voice and get pretty accurate transcription, it'll be like note-taking for yourself on steroids. There's been rumors that Apple is releasing something to iOS where the LLM functionalities are way better, so I guess you could be able to do that with regular iOS tools as well. Hey Siri, put this on my notes or reminders or whatnot, and actually maybe it's even working this time.

[10:14:21] There's a quote from Naval, inspiration is perishable, act on it immediately. What's more immediate than just being able to spit from your dome into the ether and have it perfectly transcribed, which is something you'd usually have to have an assistant do, along with the great formatting. Sometimes it's too much to type a long note when the inspiration strikes. That's for later, for editing. And Twitter is the last step when you're miniaturizing. the problem is you only do it once the whole cycle you think it through you put it out it's already in air shit and it's automatically tweeted on your behalf did you know the suicide rate among 13 and 14 year olds has more than doubled since 2008 Instagram was released in 2010. The last four years haven't really helped either. That's the last one. It's all fun and games though until someone named CC joins the app.

[10:15:44] Another way to think about it is, why do I go to dinners and why do I go to parties? It's not for the dinner and it's not for the party setting, it's for the people. It's to meet new people in a casual and light setting where you can just kind of chit chat with them and perhaps dive into a deeper conversation and get to meet people and make some new friends. And that's exactly what I think we're trying to enable here. If you think about the place where you are at the moment and all the other places in the world where all the awesome stuff is happening. So you're always missing out most of the, almost all the fun, so to speak, with all these conversations, unless you're in some airship or other type of setting. And in that sense, the location doesn't really matter. So it's the means of reaching people in the right way and do it when it's convenient for you. And I think that's the great thing about the future as well. It doesn't really matter where you are because you're always in the wrong place for most of the fun stuff.

[10:16:36] When I see a book recommendation, I just add it to my Amazon wishlist because I really visit my saves or bookmarks. Wow, here comes the, it's it, business model. Referrals. Listen to the fourth and fifth sentence. The transcription does not exactly copy what I said. It's the AI events. It's the, yeah, you figure it out yourself. You get the message already, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe this is already suggestive because I didn't go through the whole thread, but what if you mute a person for, let's say, hour two hours some arbitrary amount of hours and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threats or chits they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed so that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you no i actually understood exactly what you're saying um i don't i'm actually interested in how they solve it i think this is a fascinating and intriguing problem to solve so i'm actually watching with eager eyes maybe this is already suggested because I didn't go through the whole thread but what if you mute a person for let's say one hour two hours some arbitrary amount of hours and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threats or cheats they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed so that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you yeah that that makes sense I do not consider it that way got it currently in my following I have people majorly from the west who are living in a very different time zone so they wake up and they see a bunch of content from me and i wake up and i see a bunch of content from them if somebody is overpopulating my feed i think for now since we have a small user base muting them temporarily works because when we see a lot of users coming in you're going to have everybody posting something or the other at all times of the day so i mean that's going to be a problem then anyway which is when you will introduce the feature that you're talking about of muting threads but that only comes with a lot of users and a lot of data and a lot of content So for now, with a small user base, I think muting temporarily works.

[10:18:39] Maybe this is already suggested because I didn't go through the whole thread, but what if you mute a person for let's say one hour, two hours, some after their amount of hours, and whether they reply or whether they are initiating new threads or chits, they will not come up on your notifications or the main feed. So that way they should not be able to populate the whole feed for you. Airchid is the tweeter tweet on autoplay. Consciousness is the temporal illusion of persistence. This came out of the Theories of Everything podcast with Stephen Wolfram, and it wasn't the first part of it. It's a really good one, so give it a listen. Bernie Sanders here. I am once looking for your 5X support. Sorry if this is old news to you all, but you can long press the play pause button on iOS and change your speed settings between 1X, 2X, and yes, 3X. No, there will not be a 4X.

[10:19:31] Welcome to the new season of Air Chat 3.0. On this episode, Priyanka dons a new identity. I've descended on Air Chat 3.0 with identity 3.0. Is Ilya Elias the new boogeyman? Hello, I'm Udu. I'm biting you, Priyanka. Shots fired with Brian and Kamal. Just burned, Kamal. Dude, of all the things you could say as your first message to me on this beautiful, beautiful app, that's the one? Steven gets voted off the island. God damn it, am I getting voted off the island again? And where is Naval? Wait a minute, everybody. Where is Naval? See what happens next on this episode of Air Chat 3.0. Testing things out. So it begins. Hopefully everything is ready for the 6am release. Looks like activity feed is working, although it's hard for me to tell, but we'll know when people on board. T-3. Hello, AirChat. New feed waiting to be filled with voices.